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Title: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Iceberg on February 17, 2018, 02:56:06 PM
Yale has been scoring goals recently and have won their last 3 conference games and last 5 games overall. They've scored at least 3 goals in all the victories and seem determined to host a playoff series in the first round.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: BearLover on February 17, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
https://twitter.com/BT_unassisted/status/964992069168230400]Cornell has only four healthy everyday D-men tonight, plus Cairns. How is it that Schafer was only able to fill out a roster with six D-men who he is even comfortable playing in a game? Were Wedman's retirement and the severity of Bliss's injury not known until right before the season began? Shore was also on the roster when the year started, but Schafer wasn't confident playing him last year either, electing to move Rauter to D over him. Schafer could have considered bringing in a D-man midseason like a lot of other teams do to fill a need.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 17, 2018, 07:04:47 PM
McCrea hurt.  Tshantz  at F with Rauter pushed back to D.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: BigRedHockeyFan on February 17, 2018, 07:07:06 PM
Good luck to Dwyer on his senior night.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: abmarks on February 17, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
Here's betting that we lose Malott for one or both games next weekend.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Al DeFlorio on February 17, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: abmarksHere's betting that we lose Malott for one or both games next weekend.
Schafer might sit him anyway.  Dumb penalties.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: abmarks on February 17, 2018, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: abmarksHere's betting that we lose Malott for one or both games next weekend.
Schafer might sit him anyway.  Dumb penalties.

Good point.  Shafer ought to tell him after the game tonight that he's sitting next weekend regardless of the discipline the league meets out.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: BearLover on February 17, 2018, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: abmarksHere's betting that we lose Malott for one or both games next weekend.
Did the hits look that bad to you? Impossible to tell over ILDN. Also, is there any precedent for handing out a two-game suspension for someone with no history?

Schafer should only bench him if the calls were right.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: redliner on February 17, 2018, 08:55:09 PM
Cornell's penalty kill has been struggling for a couple games now. Doesn't Yale have the worst power play in the country? Yale has two power play goals so far...
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 17, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: redlinerCornell's penalty kill has been struggling for a couple games now. Doesn't Yale have the worst power play in the country? Yale has two power play goals so far...

That 2nd Yale goal wasn't a classic power play goal, as it was just a great play with their guy undressing our D man
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 17, 2018, 09:35:16 PM
Not pretty, but we got the job done.

I think we just clinched first place, because even if we lose both games next weekend we've got the better record vs. Clarkson and Sucks (We're 2-1-1 and Union is 1-3).
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Dafatone on February 17, 2018, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.

I think we just clinched first place, because even if we lose both games next weekend we've got the better record vs. Clarkson and Sucks (We're 2-1-1 and Union is 1-3).

It looks like total wins is the 2nd tiebreaker after head-to-head record. If we lose both next week and Union wins both, they go 17-5 and we go 16-4-2, giving them the tiebreak.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: CU2007 on February 17, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
Mallot hits were both bad. Could tell from section M. He'll be suspended
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 17, 2018, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.

I think we just clinched first place, because even if we lose both games next weekend we've got the better record vs. Clarkson and Sucks (We're 2-1-1 and Union is 1-3).

It looks like total wins is the 2nd tiebreaker after head-to-head record. If we lose both next week and Union wins both, they go 17-5 and we go 16-4-2, giving them the tiebreak.

OK.  I thought record versus the top 4 was the 2nd tiebreaker.  My bad.

So just keep winning.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 17, 2018, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.

I think we just clinched first place, because even if we lose both games next weekend we've got the better record vs. Clarkson and Sucks (We're 2-1-1 and Union is 1-3).

It looks like total wins is the 2nd tiebreaker after head-to-head record. If we lose both next week and Union wins both, they go 17-5 and we go 16-4-2, giving them the tiebreak.

OK.  I thought record versus the top 4 was the 2nd tiebreaker.  My bad.

So just keep winning.

Get payback against RPI Friday and its moot
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: BearLover on February 17, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.
I thought it was pretty. Outside of the idiotic penalties, undermanned Cornell controlled play and created chances from start to finish, and completely negated Yale's final rush--basically the opposite of last night, even though both were wins. This was one of the games that makes me confident Cornell deserves a season like the one they've had.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 17, 2018, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.
I thought it was pretty. Outside of the idiotic penalties, undermanned Cornell controlled play and created chances from start to finish, and completely negated Yale's final rush--basically the opposite of last night, even though both were wins. This was one of the games that makes me confident Cornell deserves a season like the one they've had.

My comment was around the penalties mostly.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Dafatone on February 17, 2018, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.
I thought it was pretty. Outside of the idiotic penalties, undermanned Cornell controlled play and created chances from start to finish, and completely negated Yale's final rush--basically the opposite of last night, even though both were wins. This was one of the games that makes me confident Cornell deserves a season like the one they've had.

Comments that our shooting percentage was artificially high may be apt. We got a lot of chances tonight and controlled play very well, but a lot of those chances didn't go in.

Enough did, though! Undefeated in Ivy play. Damn.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 17, 2018, 10:12:52 PM
listening to pre-game they didnt think the friday penalty was all that bad.   the kid tripped over a stick and planted himself.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 17, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Not pretty, but we got the job done.
I thought it was pretty. Outside of the idiotic penalties, undermanned Cornell controlled play and created chances from start to finish, and completely negated Yale's final rush--basically the opposite of last night, even though both were wins. This was one of the games that makes me confident Cornell deserves a season like the one they've had.

Comments that our shooting percentage was artificially high may be apt. We got a lot of chances tonight and controlled play very well, but a lot of those chances didn't go in.

Enough did, though! Undefeated in Ivy play. Damn.
The Yale goalie made a couple saves in close that turned Yates' hair prematurely grey.

This was a good win against a hot team and a very, very good goalie.

Take it and smile.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 17, 2018, 10:23:54 PM
I just saw the highlights of the game, and I'm surprised (pleasantly so) that they didn't review our 3rd goal, as Tchantz was pretty close to the Yale goalie and from the admittedly long view I wondered if Tchantz at all impeded the goalie's lateral movement.

But no one on Yale seemed to gripe, so it probably wasn't as close as it may have seemed to me.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 17, 2018, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: upprdecklistening to pre-game they didnt think the friday penalty was all that bad.   the kid tripped over a stick and planted himself.
I agree with that.  Tonight was bad, though, and 2 in two games will make the league take notice.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 17, 2018, 10:25:52 PM
As we were talking about on the Chat, Yanni Kaldis had the game of his life tonight.  He was everywhere.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 17, 2018, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: TrotskyAs we were talking about on the Chat, Yanni Kaldis had the game of his life tonight.  He was everywhere.

He'll be all ECAC 1st team you would think, and certainly in the running for All-American
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: BearLover on February 17, 2018, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: TrotskyAs we were talking about on the Chat, Yanni Kaldis had the game of his life tonight.  He was everywhere.

He'll be all ECAC 1st team you would think, and certainly in the running for All-American
The voters seem to stupidly only look at numbers for those honors, and at under half-a-point per game, Kaldis's numbers don't jump out. He logs a massive number of minutes per game and skates circles around opponents, but he turns the puck over a decent amount and I'm not even sure he's the best defenseman on the team (which says more about the defensemen on the team than it does about Kaldis).
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: abmarks on February 17, 2018, 10:40:17 PM
Highlight reel:   https://www.facebook.com/cornellathletics/videos/1986240378060625/
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: marty on February 17, 2018, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: TrotskyAs we were talking about on the Chat, Yanni Kaldis had the game of his life tonight.  He was everywhere.


I was in the chat but also in section O. As Yanni was working his magic I was in awe.  I didn't expect the goal but he deserved more than half the credit.

The highlight of the night for me was the 3rd goal. I yelled YES! before Mullin touched the puck!
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 18, 2018, 02:28:52 AM
Quote from: DafatoneIt looks like total wins is the 2nd tiebreaker after head-to-head record. If we lose both next week and Union wins both, they go 17-5 and we go 16-4-2, giving them the tiebreak.

Yes (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking).

QuoteSeeding for championship competition is based on total points accumulated during league contests. In the event teams are tied in the final regular-season standings, the following tiebreakers (listed in order of application) shall be used to determine seeding. (Note: Only League games apply):

1. Comparison of game results between tied teams (head to head).
2. Wins.
3. Comparison of results of games against the top four teams.
4. Comparison of results of games against the top eight teams.
5. Goal differential in head-to-head competition.
6. Goal differential in games against the top four teams.
7. Goal differential in games against the top eight teams.

In the case of ties among three or more schools, the criteria will be used in order until a team, or teams, is separated from the pack. At that point, the process will begin anew to break the "new" tie. In other words, when a four-way tie becomes a three-way tie, the three-way tie is treated as a "new" tie and the process begins with the first criterion.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 18, 2018, 02:32:43 AM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I thought record versus the top 4 was the 2nd tiebreaker.
You're not crazy.  That's the way it used to be.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Cop at Lynah on February 18, 2018, 04:10:37 AM
There was definitely contact between Tschantz and the goalie, but he was being shoved (cross checked) from the backside by a Yale player
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 18, 2018, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: redlinerCornell's penalty kill has been struggling for a couple games now. Doesn't Yale have the worst power play in the country? Yale has two power play goals so far...

That 2nd Yale goal wasn't a classic power play goal, as it was just a great play with their guy undressing our D man

How about undressing the whole team.

Watch the replay, he had 4 CU players that had a chance to stop him. Terrible play on our part.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 18, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
Per playoffstatus.com (http://playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournpartprob.html), we have now clinched an NC$$ slot.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 18, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
0-4 and we stay in? lets beat RPI first.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Dafatone on February 18, 2018, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: upprdeck0-4 and we stay in? lets beat RPI first.

I can believe it. Clarkson has fallen off a cliff (1-5-4 since CHN ran an article titled "Clarkson is Here to Stay) and they're still in 7th.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Al DeFlorio on February 18, 2018, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: TrotskyPer playoffstatus.com (http://playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournpartprob.html), we have now clinched an NC$$ slot.
Interesting that Clarkson, #7 in PWR, has only a 25% chance of making the NCAAs if they lose out, while Minny, #8, has a 96% chance if they lose out.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 18, 2018, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: TrotskyPer playoffstatus.com (http://playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournpartprob.html), we have now clinched an NC$$ slot.
Interesting that Clarkson, #7 in PWR, has only a 25% chance of making the NCAAs if they lose out, while Minny, #8, has a 96% chance if they lose out.

I have to imagine that's based on schedule strength
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 18, 2018, 11:59:18 AM
Worth mentioning that on our last power play in the 3rd period we had 6 freshman on the ice for a few moments. I got a kick out of that.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: marty on February 18, 2018, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: scoop85Worth mentioning that on our last power play in the 3rd period we had 6 freshman on the ice for a few moments. I got a kick out of that.

I loved the two 4x4 stints. Yale would have skated around us a few years ago.

:-) :-) :-) :-) x :-( :-( :-( :-(
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 18, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
I thought other than the few times Yale just cheated out we really controlled their speed well..  We got around their d multiple times to the net with control. Im not sure they ever did.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: CU2007 on February 18, 2018, 11:32:09 PM
Kaldis is an awesome player.
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 19, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: BearLoverThe voters seem to stupidly only look at numbers for those honors, and at under half-a-point per game, Kaldis's numbers don't jump out.

+/- does him no favors, either.+19 Smith      4 -  5 -  9
+18 Nuttle     2 -  9 - 11
+18 McCrea     4 -  6 - 10
 +9 Kaldis     3 - 10 - 13
 +9 Green      2 -  8 - 10
 +8 Haiskenen  0 -  1 -  1
 -1 Cairns     0 -  0 -  0
Title: Re: Yale at Cornell 2/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 19, 2018, 03:54:59 PM
Kaldis this week was the best player on the ice with the puck.