I've wanted to do this for a while, and the start of the season seems like a good point.
If everybody would post what they know about our alums' teams, I'll keep a compiled running list here.
I've decided to try and keep track of the dates of movements, up or down. So if you find a change, try and come up with the date.
Angello, Anthony '19 Wilkes-Barre Penquins 4/11/18
Bardreau, Cole Lehigh Valley Phantoms (AHL)
Buckles, Matt Springfield Thunderbirds (AHL) Retired on 1/31/18 due to injuries.
Collins, Sean HC Sochi (KHL Russia)
Devin, Joe Captain, South Carolina Stingrays (ECHL)
Freschi, Eric Kansas City Mavericks (ECHL)
Gillam, Mitch Worcester Mailers (ECHL)
Gotovets, Kirill Manitoba Moose (AHL)
Greening, Colin Toronto Marlies (AHL)
Hilbrich, Christian Toledo Walleye (ECHL)
Iles, Andy Fife Flyers (ELITE)
Krueger, Justin SC Bern (Swiss Elite League?)
Kubiak, Jeff Worcester Mailers (ECHL)
Lowry, Joel Manchester Monarchs (ECHL)--12/19/17 Utica Comets (AHL)
MacDonald, Jacob Binghamton Devils (AHL)
McCarron, John Florida Everblades (ECHL)
McCarron, Patrick Grand Rapids Griffins (AHL)--Toledo Walleyes (ECHL)
Moulson, Matt - Buffalo Sabres (NHL)--12/6/17 Ontario Reign (AHL)
Nash, Riley Boston Bruins (NHL)
Rauter, Alex '18 Atlanta Gladiators (ECHL)
Ryan, Joakim San Jose Barracuda (AHL)--10/12/17 San Jose Sharks (NHL)
Scrivens, Ben Salavat Yulaev (KHL Russia) Also on Canada's pre-Olympic event roster
Stewart, Hayden '18 Cincinnati Cyclones (ECHL)
Tschantz, Dwyer '18 Worcester Railers (ECHL)
Willcox, Reece Lehigh Valley Phantoms (AHL)
Yates, Trevor '18 Grand Rapids Griffins (AHL) 4/15/18 Released
Just saw Jeff Kubiak in the Isles' preseason game against the Rangers.
Bardreau played in the Flyers' OT loss to the Isles on Sunday. Willcox didn't play.
Both are listed in "Group 2" for the split squad games tomorrow night. Group 1 is mostly the regular Flyers players. Group 2 is made up of rookies and minor leaguers.
Justin Krueger is still with SC Bern in the Swiss Elite League/National League A/whatever it's called now.
http://www.scb.ch/team/spieler/detail/portrait/justin-krueger.html
(Spiele=games, Strafen=penalties, Tore=goals, Punkte=points, Qualifikation=regular season)
Eric Freschi is playing in the ECHL for the Kansas City Mavericks:
http://www.echl.com/freschi-robertson-sign-mavericks
Watching the replay of the Tuesday night Leafs-Sens game. Just had a Colin Greening sighting wearing #38 for the Leafs.
No idea whether he'll make the big club or not.
Riley Nash back with the Bruins hoping to display the offensive skills we know he has...
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2017/09/riley_nash_out_to_add_to_his_offense_for_bruins_this_year
Willcox assigned to Lehigh Valley. Bardreau still on the bubble - a healthy scratch for the game tonight in Boston.
According to Philly.com, he is injured (upper body) and is ouy three to four weeks, and then will return to the Phantoms.
Quote from: drs48According to Philly.com, he is injured (upper body) and is ouy three to four weeks, and then will return to the Phantoms.
Thanks, that makes sense. I really didn't hold out much hope he'd make the Flyers.
Christian Hilbrich will play for the Toledo Walleye of the ECHL:
http://www.echl.com/walleye-agree-terms-hilbrich
Sounds like Joakim Ryan is playing well. Hope he makes the Sharks, although they have some decisions to make.
I'll put in a good word with Pete DeBoer!!
https://thehockeywriters.com/san-jose-sharks-year-of-peter-deboer/ (https://thehockeywriters.com/san-jose-sharks-year-of-peter-deboer/)
According to today's email from Coach Schafer, here are the Cornellians currently in NHL training camps:
RILEY NASH - BOSTON BRUINS
MATT MOULSON - BUFFALO SABRES
JOEL LOWRY - CALGARY FLAMES
PATRICK MCCARRON - DETROIT RED WINGS
MATT BUCKLES - FLORIDA PANTHERS
JACOB MACDONALD - NEW JERSEY DEVILS
JEFF KUBIAK - NEW YORK ISLANDERS
COLE BARDREAU - PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
REECE WILLCOX - PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
JOAKIM RYAN - SAN JOSE SHARKS
COLIN GREENING - TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
KIRILL GOTOVETS - WINNIPEG JETS
Other than Nash, Moulson and Ryan, I believe all the others have now been sent down, waived or cut.
Ryan played 24 minutes in the Sharks last preseason game, so he's been getting a good look. Hopefully he'll stick with the club.
Willcox definitely with the Phantoms. He played Friday and Saturday nights against Charlotte. Got a lot of time on the PK, and some nice comments from the TV announcers. Given that Haag made the big club, hopefully Reece will stick in LV and not wind up in Reading.
Bardreau has no chance of making the Flyers. The Phantoms announcers said as much on the Saturday broadcast. As soon as his injury heals, he'll be assigned to LV. Also, the Flyers are planning on carrying 8 d-men including Gostisbehere (who's hurt), so they waived Matt Read to make a roster space. No way there's space for Cole right now.
Kubes looked very good in his brief time with the Isles and got sent down to Bridegport. Snow made the right noises about being impressed. The lifers on the Isles' boards think he has potential as a later season spot call up to fill in for injuries. Not projected as a future regular, but he certainly has the chance -- it's up to him, now.
Ryan sent down http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/03/sharks-made-final-cuts-ahead-of-wednesdays-season-opener/ (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/03/sharks-made-final-cuts-ahead-of-wednesdays-season-opener/)
Bummer, sounds like he's playing very well. Think this has much to do with the fact that they can send him down without losing his rights vs some others needing to clear waivers.
Today's Boston Globe listed Riley Nash on the Bruin's roster.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioToday's Boston Globe listed Riley Nash on the Bruin's roster.
And apparently he's filling in on the power play while Patrice Bergeron is out with an injury.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Al DeFlorioToday's Boston Globe listed Riley Nash on the Bruin's roster.
And apparently he's filling in on the power play while Patrice Bergeron is out with an injury.
Might watch a bit of tonight's game.
QuoteRiley Nash had a busier night than usual (16:37 and won 8 of 13 faceoffs), in large part because of Bergeron's absence. A power-play regular with the Hurricanes, the ex-Cornell standout has more game than he's been asked to provide here in third- and fourth-line roles.
From http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2017/10/06/why-bruins-opener-was-tear-jerker-and-other-thoughts/buSanrinDTuWw3IX6fhTgK/story.html
I finally put together all that's been posted. Please check the first post and list any corrections or additions. There are a number of other players who are probably somewhere.
Kubiak was assigned (http://www.soundtigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=22700&ATCLID=211670732&SPID=44754&SPSID=363050) to the Worcester Railers (http://railershc.com/team/roster/) (ECHL).
modest suggestion that you boldface the first name also for readability because it blends into the city
Quote from: ugartemodest suggestion that you boldface the first name also for readability because it blends into the city
I so want a defenseman named Kirill Manitoba Moose.
Couple guys in Russia:
Ben Scrivens (http://en.khl.ru/players/25302/)
Sean Collins (http://en.khl.ru/players/25284/)
Willcox with an assist tonight for LV against Hershey.
Edit: Make it 2 assists.
Edit 2: Bardreau on TV between periods. He hopes to play next weekend.
Edit 3: Willcox adds an empty net goal. Three point night!
Thanks for the additions and suggestions. Keep up with the advice. Made the changes and it does look better. Someday I may look up and post everyone's year.
Joakim Ryan will make his NHL Debut for the San Jose Sharks tonight.
https://www.fearthefin.com/2017/10/12/16465200/paul-martin-placed-on-ir-joakim-ryan-to-make-nhl-debut-san-jose-sharks-tim-heed-brent-burns
Quote from: CU2007Joakim Ryan will make his NHL Debut for the San Jose Sharks tonight.
https://www.fearthefin.com/2017/10/12/16465200/paul-martin-placed-on-ir-joakim-ryan-to-make-nhl-debut-san-jose-sharks-tim-heed-brent-burns
??
He played 66 games (https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-ryan-8477046) for them 2 years ago.
Edit: Nope, those games must have been minors. I coulda sworn...
Quote from: CU2007Joakim Ryan will make his NHL Debut for the San Jose Sharks tonight.
https://www.fearthefin.com/2017/10/12/16465200/paul-martin-placed-on-ir-joakim-ryan-to-make-nhl-debut-san-jose-sharks-tim-heed-brent-burns
Thanks, posted
For all, I've decided to try and keep track of the dates of movements, up or down. So if you find a change, try and come up with the date.
Ryan logged over 21 minutes of ice time. Lots of nice comments about Ryan's performance on the Sharks' blog (https://www.fearthefin.com/2017/10/12/16467638/sabres-at-sharks-lines-gamethread-and-where-to-watch)
Quote from: scoop85Ryan logged over 21 minutes of ice time. Lots of nice comments about Ryan's performance on the Sharks' blog (https://www.fearthefin.com/2017/10/12/16467638/sabres-at-sharks-lines-gamethread-and-where-to-watch)
After 2 games his ATOI > 20 is 4th on the team. Brent Burns averages nearly 30!
Moulson 6 games in without a point.
Nash 1 assist (on the PP?) in 5 GP.
Not playing, but still writing. Here's "The Globe and Mail" on Ken Dryden's (https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-head-injury-essay/article36585129/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&) new book, "Game Change: The Life and Death of Steve Montador, and the Future of Hockey". Nice read.
I guess this will be a mega-thread to replace the "Alumni in the Pros - " construction?
Quote from: RichHI guess this will be a mega-thread to replace the "Alumni in the Pros - " construction?
No reason not to return to the old format in November to make it more manageable.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHI guess this will be a mega-thread to replace the "Alumni in the Pros - " construction?
No reason not to return to the old format in November to make it more manageable.
My intent was for this to be as stated, where are they. Not what everyone is doing on any given night. However the Harvard thread seems to work okay and go on forever.
Just fabulous writing. On this the topic, but also useful in so many other discussions these days is Ken's sentence about science:
"It's also the story of science, of knowing better today than yesterday, but of never knowing for sure, because science never knows for sure, because what it knows today is only a placeholder for what it will know tomorrow."
Can't wait to read the book.
Turned on the TV when I got home tonight. It was on NHL Network. They were interviewing one of the San Jose broadcasters, and he was saying a lot of good things about Joakim Ryan. Hopefully he does well tonight in NYC.
Went to the Phantoms game tonight against Springfield. Bardreau was back (and played a lot). Willcox also got decent ice time especially on the PK. No sign of Buckles for Springfield.
Jeff Kubiak and Mitch Gillam are playing for the Worcester Railers, coached by former Cornell assistant coach Jamie Russell.
Mitch has played two games, a shutout and a 5-1 loss.
Jeff picked up his first fighting penalty and a game misconduct in that 5-1 loss, and has one assist in 3 games.
Game stories:
http://railershc.com/mitch-gillam-grabs-first-pro-win-28-save-road-shutout-manchester/
http://railershc.com/railers-hc-fall-brawl-wild-game-colorado/
http://www.tsn.ca/canada-names-pre-olympic-event-roster-1.897217
Ben Scrivens named to the Canadian Olympic team
He's not on the Olympic team yet. This is a pre-Olympic tournament. We can assume if he plays well, though, that he'll have a good shot.
"We are bringing together a group of players who are on our radar for the upcoming Olympic Winter Games as part of our ongoing evaluation process, with the goal of fielding the best possible team next February," Burke said in a statement.
Watching the Phantoms game tonight. The announcers have referred to Bardreau and Willcox as "The Cornell Connection" several times tonight. ::banana::
This after Willcox had an assist on Bardreau's shorty last night, and they're playing together on the first PK team.
From ECAC.com, an article on Riley Nash in the Gloucester Times. (http://www.gloucestertimes.com/sports/national_sports/a-dash-of-nash-suits-bruins-just-fine/article_fd514cbd-0d2b-5826-a84c-8b82396af7e1.html)
Quote from: Jim HylaFrom ECAC.com, an article on Riley Nash in the Gloucester Times. (http://www.gloucestertimes.com/sports/national_sports/a-dash-of-nash-suits-bruins-just-fine/article_fd514cbd-0d2b-5826-a84c-8b82396af7e1.html)
Old-timey sportswriting:
Quote from: Phil Stacey, Gloucester TimesNo flash. No dash.
Just Nash
But the plethora of injured Bruin forwards has forced [Bruins coach Bruce] Cassidy to mix and match his lines more than Cher changes wardrobes in concert. And that's where Nash's true value lies: he can play any line, with anyone, at any time.
(
Cher? I did a seminar on automotive writing/reviewing for a group that included a lot of people 50-and-over. Said try not to backreference cars you had as a kid because that's long ago. If you make a musical reference, try to make it current. So one guy raises his hand, says, "You mean like Green Day?" [Facepalm.])
Quote from: billhowardOld-timey sportswriting:
Quote from: Phil Stacey, Gloucester TimesNo flash. No dash.
Just Nash
Awful.
One of the few good things about the internet is it has shown that there are a thousand good sportswriters out there for every hack in regular media.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardOld-timey sportswriting:
Quote from: Phil Stacey, Gloucester TimesNo flash. No dash.
Just Nash
Awful.
One of the few good things about the internet is it has shown that there are a thousand good sportswriters out there for every hack in regular media.
Are you saying the whole article is awful and the writer is therefore a hack, or just that the phrase is awful?
Quote from: Jim HylaAre you saying the whole article is awful and the writer is therefore a hack, or just that the phrase is awful?
I'm saying that style of writing is awful. The writer may be Tolstoy, but when they use that Hi-lights for Kids style I want to stab them in the face.
Metaphorically.
To start with.
Not everyone is blessed with writing skills equal to their love of hockey or baseball. They labor in the minor leagues of sportswriting even covering a major league sport. They may be getting on in years and this is supplemental income (just not very much). Or they're kids who didn't have a place in college like the Daily Sun to polish their skills.
It is.
So sad.
<-- This writing reminds me of a long-ago Ithaca Journal publisher who decided it was his role in life to also cover Cornell hockey, coincidentally during the Dryden/Cropper years when seats were hard to come by in Lynah, let alone the old 2000-seat rink in Lake Placid. Most of his paragraphs were one sentence.
Dan Ratushny was fired from Lausanne. Seems odd as they did this 12 games into the season and last year he was coach of the year?
I'm probably a bit biased on this issue.
Ratushny let go (https://swisshockeynews.ch/index.php/shn/11-swiss-ice-hockey/nla/10166-dan-ratushny-is-no-longer-lausanne-hc-s-head-coach)
Speaking of, kinda, has the Ratushny-Manderville union produced any prospective Cornell players in the pipeline?
Quote from: TrotskySpeaking of, kinda, has the Ratushny-Manderville union produced any prospective Cornell players in the pipeline?
It has: Ethan Manderville, 6'4" 200lbs and eligible for the upcoming NHL draft, where he's a C-rated prospect. He's playing for the Ottawa Jr Senators, but was drafted by the Cedar Rapids Roughriders. He's also toward the top (top 10) of Heisenberg's roughly-sorted Eastern Canada recruits:
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=300743
Quote from: pfibigerIt has: Ethan Manderville, 6'4" 200lbs and eligible for the upcoming NHL draft, where he's a C-rated prospect. He's playing for the Ottawa Jr Senators, but was drafted by the Cedar Rapids Roughriders. He's also toward the top (top 10) of Heisenberg's roughly-sorted Eastern Canada recruits:
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=300743
Not surprisingly, he wears #25.
I also stumbled on this other NHL-offspring while looking up the kid at the CCHL website: We could use some more muscle on the team... http://www.thecchl.ca/stats/player/165/1/matthew-barnaby
Quote from: abmarksNot surprisingly, he wears #25.
Kent was 21. I don't know what Kim was, but the sum is what he should wear if he comes here.
Unless it's > 29. Non-goalie uniform numbers greater than 29 should be banned.
Quote from: Trotsky. Non-goalie uniform numbers greater than 29 should be banned.
https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/J7IjMpFxZdG-isdWohNAyXxXxeo=/fit-in/970x0/2016/11/15/8dc5785b-107f-4ec1-817a-612023870d2c/oldman.jpg
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: abmarksNot surprisingly, he wears #25.
Kent was 21. I don't know what Kim was, but the sum is what he should wear if he comes here.
Unless it's > 29. Non-goalie uniform numbers greater than 29 should be banned.
F my early onset....
Riley just made a nice pass to a streaking teammate, resulting in a breakaway and go-ahead goal against the Pens. The game is nationally televised on NBC. 8 minutes remaining.
I've got two more additions:
Joe Deven is playing with the South Carolina Stingrays (ECHL)
John McCarron is playing with the Florida Everblades (ECHL)
Deven is actually the Stingrays captain.
Let's Go Red!
Quote from: TriggerI've got two more additions:
Joe Deven is playing with the South Carolina Stingrays (ECHL)
John McCarron is playing with the Florida Everblades (ECHL)
Deven is actually the Stingrays captain.
Let's Go Red!
Thanks, done
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TriggerI've got two more additions:
Joe Deven is playing with the South Carolina Stingrays (ECHL)
John McCarron is playing with the Florida Everblades (ECHL)
Deven is actually the Stingrays captain.
Let's Go Red!
Thanks, done
It's Devin, actually.
Bruins' Riley Nash scores the second goal Weds. 11/29 as Bruins go up 3-0 on Tampa Bay, hold on for 3-2 win. Nash gets a shout-out from Kenny Albert for an all-round good game.
23 games 2 G 6 A 8 Pts
One change coming:
"The Buffalo Sabres today announced that forward Matt Moulson will be placed on waivers at noon for the purpose of assignment."
0 points in 14 GP with Buffalo this season. If he winds up in Rochester (AHL), he still gets paid his full NHL salary.
Quote from: RichHOne change coming:
"The Buffalo Sabres today announced that forward Matt Moulson will be placed on waivers at noon for the purpose of assignment."
0 points in 14 GP with Buffalo this season. If he winds up in Rochester (AHL), he still gets paid his full NHL salary.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2650734-ranking-the-10-worst-contracts-in-the-nhl-for-the-2016-17-season
Matt Moulson has been placed on waivers by the Buffalo Sabres. http://ottawasun.com/category/sports
I suppose this is as good a place as any...
Watching the US vs Canada women's exhibition tonight on NHL Network/TSN. Final was 2-0 Canada, with both goals scored by Cornell alumnae. Jill Saulnier scored the first and Laura Fortino followed up with the empty netter.
Kind of hard to root against the USA, but with 5 Cornellians on Team Canada...
In women's hockey I'm all in for Canada
Quote from: scoop85In women's hockey I'm all in for Canada
Yup.
1. Cornell
2. Anybody but the US and Canada
3. Canada
4. Am I forgetting someone?
Sabres loan Moulson to Kings' AHA team. (http://rochesterdemocrat.ny.newsmemory.com/eebrowser/ipad/html5.check.2145/action/libphp/loadText.php?pSetup=rochesterdemocrat_live20151119&issue=20171206&filename=rocbrd_dandc_12-06-2017_b_d_002_w-or9.pdf.0&edition=Democrat%20and%20Chronicle&tauidudblocalstorage=152399&tauidudblocalstorage=152399&machineidlocalstorage=f09f9c6a78ff24c1bb372e5eea493130&mtime=070945&resH=893&resW=1645)
Here's a PDF that should be large enough to read.
Quote from: George64Sabres loan Moulson to Kings' AHA team. (http://rochesterdemocrat.ny.newsmemory.com/eebrowser/ipad/html5.check.2145/action/libphp/loadText.php?pSetup=rochesterdemocrat_live20151119&issue=20171206&filename=rocbrd_dandc_12-06-2017_b_d_002_w-or9.pdf.0&edition=Democrat%20and%20Chronicle&tauidudblocalstorage=152399&tauidudblocalstorage=152399&machineidlocalstorage=f09f9c6a78ff24c1bb372e5eea493130&mtime=070945&resH=893&resW=1645)
Here's a PDF that should be large enough to read.
Thanks, listing amended.
https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-ben-scrivens-allows-fastest-goal-ever-start-khl-game-220836168.html
Ben Scrivens gives up quickest goal to start a KHL game....but still wins
Quote from: jeff '84https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-ben-scrivens-allows-fastest-goal-ever-start-khl-game-220836168.html
Ben Scrivens gives up quickest goal to start a KHL game....but still wins
Quote from: Yahoo SportsThough rumours of the league potentially not allowing players to participate in the upcoming Olympic Games in South Korea continue to swirl, Scrivens will likely get the nod as Canada's No. 1 goaltender to start the [Olympics] tournament should KHL players remain eligible. In 144 NHL games with the Maple Leafs, Kings, Oilers, and Canadiens, Scrivens authored a 2.92 GAA with seven career shutouts.
Quote from: jeff '84https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-ben-scrivens-allows-fastest-goal-ever-start-khl-game-220836168.html
Ben Scrivens gives up quickest goal to start a KHL game....but still wins
It was tipped off a defender's stick.
FLYERS GOALTENDER ILES NAMED EIHL PLAYER OF THE WEEK (http://www.eliteleague.co.uk/view/eliteicehockey/latest-news/news_497209)
COMETS SIGN FORWARD JOEL LOWRY TO PTO (http://www.uticacomets.com/news/detail/comets-sign-forward-joel-lowry-to-pto)
O Canada! (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/12/22/womens-ice-hockey-five-former-womens-hockey-players-make-canadas-olympic-roster.aspx) Five alumnae make Canada's Olympic team roster.
Great. Five more Cornellians within spitting distance of L'il Kim's missiles.
I prefer the name the Chinese call him: Fat Kim III.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I prefer the name the Chinese call him: Fat Kim III.
I prefer my name for him: "Sawed-off piece of shit" or "Sawed off POS"... Both fit!!!
Riley Nash has been all over the ice for the Bruins in their last two games: 2 goals (including a shortie) and an assist in Wednesday's 5-1 win over Ottawa, and then another assist and several good chances to end it OT against Washington last night. The game was on Riley's stick as Boston's final chance in the shootout, but he failed to convert.
Quote from: sah67Riley Nash has been all over the ice for the Bruins in their last two games: 2 goals (including a shortie) and an assist in Wednesday's 5-1 win over Ottawa, and then another assist and several good chances to end it OT against Washington last night. The game was on Riley's stick as Boston's final chance in the shootout, but he failed to convert.
The assist last night was a beautiful spin pass from the corner: https://www.nhl.com/video/backes-nets-nashs-nice-dish/t-291067548/c-56192203
Ken Dryden Says Change Can't Wait: End N.H.L. Head Hits Now (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-game-change.html)
Quote from: Jim HylaKen Dryden Says Change Can't Wait: End N.H.L. Head Hits Now (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-game-change.html)
"And now, Don Cherry for the rebuttal..."
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaKen Dryden Says Change Can't Wait: End N.H.L. Head Hits Now (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-game-change.html)
"And now, Don Cherry for the rebuttal..."
"It's a stupid idea. Hockey is a sport for men, not cream puffs. D'ya like my suit, Ron?"
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaKen Dryden Says Change Can't Wait: End N.H.L. Head Hits Now (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-game-change.html)
"And now, Don Cherry for the rebuttal..."
"It's a stupid idea. Hockey is a sport for men, not cream puffs. D'ya like my suit, Ron?"
"I must have taken a hundred head hits and it never garble glug glug Frappuccino."
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaKen Dryden Says Change Can't Wait: End N.H.L. Head Hits Now (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-game-change.html)
"And now, Don Cherry for the rebuttal..."
"It's a stupid idea. Hockey is a sport for men, not cream puffs. D'ya like my suit, Ron?"
"I must have taken a hundred head hits and it never garble glug glug Frappuccino."
I'll see your broken incisors and raise you a premolar.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaKen Dryden Says Change Can't Wait: End N.H.L. Head Hits Now (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/sports/hockey/ken-dryden-game-change.html)
"And now, Don Cherry for the rebuttal..."
"It's a stupid idea. Hockey is a sport for men, not cream puffs. D'ya like my suit, Ron?"
"I must have taken a hundred head hits and it never garble glug glug Frappuccino."
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/2E1C8470-2F06-47C9-8DC8-1DF5EEF7F4E0.jpeg
Ben Scrivens in the video announcement of the Canadian Men's Olympic team:
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/hockey-canada-reveals-2018-olympic-roster~1301143
Quote from: sah67Ben Scrivens in the video announcement of the Canadian Men's Olympic team:
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/hockey-canada-reveals-2018-olympic-roster~1301143
Congrats to Ben!
Is this the place to rant about how short-sighted the NHL is about allowing athletes to compete in the Olympics?
Of course, with the strict salary caps, the NHL is becoming more of an apprentice-master league with fewer in between athletes and so perhaps we ll see NHL-level competition in the Olympics anyway. Ben is a case in point.
DISCLAIMER: I don't actually know what I am talking about. Just annoyed at the NHL for their decision on the Olympics.
Quote from: sah67Ben Scrivens in the video announcement of the Canadian Men's Olympic team:
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/hockey-canada-reveals-2018-olympic-roster~1301143
Here's the CU release. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/1/11/mens-ice-hockey-scrivens-10-named-to-team-canada-for-upcoming-olympics.aspx)
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: sah67Ben Scrivens in the video announcement of the Canadian Men's Olympic team:
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/hockey-canada-reveals-2018-olympic-roster~1301143
Congrats to Ben!
Is this the place to rant about how short-sighted the NHL is about allowing athletes to compete in the Olympics?
Of course, with the strict salary caps, the NHL is becoming more of an apprentice-master league with fewer in between athletes and so perhaps we ll see NHL-level competition in the Olympics anyway. Ben is a case in point.
DISCLAIMER: I don't actually know what I am talking about. Just annoyed at the NHL for their decision on the Olympics.
Likely we'll see a lot of KHL players, many of whom are ex-NHLer's too. But I think it sucks that the NHL players aren't going.
Both Bardreau and Willcox back playing with the Phantoms. Cole had a really pretty assist on the Phantoms' first goal tonight, Their second goal came on a tip-in of a Willcox wrister from the point. Both guys got a good amount of ice time.
Riley Nash scored his 6th goal of the season last night into an empty net, giving Boston the 4-1 win over Montreal. Riley has now eclipsed last season's point total (7-10-17 in 81 GP) with 6-15-21 in only 44 GP so far.
No, Dustin Brown never played for Cornell. However he grew up in Ithaca, played youth hockey here and played for Ithaca High School. In 2003, he made it to the NHL playing for the LA Kings. He recently played his 1000th game for the Kings and they did a nice video (https://www.nhl.com/kings/video/black--white-browns-1000th/t-277437410/c-56909903) to celebrate.
Article on Pre-Cornell Riley Nash. (https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-14941/nash-forever-grateful-for-billet-family)
8 Cornell Alumni Slated to Compete in the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Olympics (http://cornellsun.com/2018/02/06/eight-cornell-alumni-slated-to-compete-in-the-2018-pyeongchang-winter-olympics/)
Went to the Phantoms' game tonight. Both Bardreau and Willcox got the start.
Cole got one assist on the night and almost got into a fight after a Charlotte player kneed him.
Long road leads to Olympic payoff for Halifax's Jillian Saulnier (http://thechronicleherald.ca/sports/1543730-long-road-leads-to-olympic-payoff-for-halifax%E2%80%99s-jillian-saulnier).
Matt Buckles retires from hockey:
https://twitter.com/JamesonCoop/status/958781281105530880
Quote from: pfibigerMatt Buckles retires from hockey:
https://twitter.com/JamesonCoop/status/958781281105530880
I'd seen that on Twitter. I wasn't aware Buckles had been battling injuries.
Ryan scores his first two NHL goals
https://www.tsn.ca/ryan-scores-his-first-2-in-nhl-sharks-beat-oilers-1.995064
Quote from: gonyrRyan scores his first two NHL goals
https://www.tsn.ca/ryan-scores-his-first-2-in-nhl-sharks-beat-oilers-1.995064
Since it won't let me play the video, here's the YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_4gzMYrHWE)
First around 0:30 and second around 4:00.
Bardreau with a nice breakaway goal for the Phantoms last night.
Willcox started but did not play the third period...maybe he's hurt again.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: gonyrRyan scores his first two NHL goals
https://www.tsn.ca/ryan-scores-his-first-2-in-nhl-sharks-beat-oilers-1.995064
Since it won't let me play the video, here's the YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_4gzMYrHWE)
First around 0:30 and second around 4:00.
The first one was soft but that second one was beautiful.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: gonyrRyan scores his first two NHL goals
https://www.tsn.ca/ryan-scores-his-first-2-in-nhl-sharks-beat-oilers-1.995064
Since it won't let me play the video, here's the YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_4gzMYrHWE)
First around 0:30 and second around 4:00.
The first one was soft but that second one was beautiful.
Darn. Missed it since I am officially boycotting the NHL during the Olympics to protest its decision to not participate.Congratulations to Ryan.
Riley Nash has two goals (his 9th and 10th of the season) as Boston is up 3-2 on Calgary in the 3rd period.
Riley Nash set up Brad Marchand for a breakaway GWG in OT for the Bruins this afternoon.
Quote from: sah67Riley Nash set up Brad Marchand for a breakaway GWG in OT for the Bruins this afternoon.
Impressive that Riley is getting playing time in 3-on-3 OT
With Rick Nash getting traded to Boston, I'm eagerly awaiting to see how they handle his and Riley's jersey nameplates.
Old Nash - New Nash?
Old Nash - Young Nash?
Quote from: sah67With Rick Nash getting traded to Boston, I'm eagerly awaiting to see how they handle his and Riley's jersey nameplates.
https://twitter.com/JoeYerdon/status/967874593372409857
Joakim Ryan just scored his third goal of the season to put San Jose up 1-0 on Minnesota.
Riley Nash, Rick Nash
Tiebreaker goes to the third letter of the first name. How do you fit that on the jersey? Princeton made Glockner-Zellner (sp) fit in the middle 2000s.
Quote from: billhowardRiley Nash, Rick Nash
Tiebreaker goes to the third letter of the first name. How do you fit that on the jersey? Princeton made Glockner-Zellner (sp) fit in the middle 2000s.
Just put their salaries.
Riley Nash had a big game tonight as he scored his 11th of the season (a new career high) with 3 seconds left in the 1st, and then picked up another overtime assist by setting up Charlie McAvoy for the GWG. Riley now has 30 points in 59 GP this season.
Riley had a good interview on NESN after the game.
Riley with yet another assist on a GWG in OT (his 2nd assist of the game) as Boston tops Detroit 6-5 in a wild one.
Riley Nash with another goal (his 13th) last night in the Bruins' win over Philly. Riley now has 7 pts (3g, 4a) in his last 5 games.
Riles seems to have really picked it up. Is he a fan favorite? Is he being given a higher profile and more TOI?
Quote from: TrotskyRiles seems to have really picked it up. Is he a fan favorite? Is he being given a higher profile and more TOI?
With Patrice Bergeron injured, Riley is now centering a line with David Pastrnak and Brad Marchand. So, for the moment, he's the 1st line center.
Quote from: jkahnQuote from: TrotskyRiles seems to have really picked it up. Is he a fan favorite? Is he being given a higher profile and more TOI?
With Patrice Bergeron injured, Riley is now centering a line with David Pastrnak and Brad Marchand. So, for the moment, he's the 1st line center.
Well, holy shit. :-)
If it were anybody but the Bruins...
Riley Nash had another two assists in Boston's remarkable comeback at Carolina tonight, where they scored 5 unanswered in the last 10 mins of the game to win 6-4.
Quote from: sah67Riley Nash had another two assists in Boston's remarkable comeback at Carolina tonight, where they scored 5 unanswered in the last 10 mins of the game to win 6-4.
Man, this would be a lot easier to enjoy if it was any other team.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: sah67Riley Nash had another two assists in Boston's remarkable comeback at Carolina tonight, where they scored 5 unanswered in the last 10 mins of the game to win 6-4.
Man, this would be a lot easier to enjoy if it was any other team.
Think 6-28-1964 and April 1971. (https://www.nhl.com/news/this-date-in-history-june-28/c-280997712)
Probably the second-worst trade a Boston team, or perhaps any team, has ever made.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: sah67Riley Nash had another two assists in Boston's remarkable comeback at Carolina tonight, where they scored 5 unanswered in the last 10 mins of the game to win 6-4.
Man, this would be a lot easier to enjoy if it was any other team.
I think this guy can sympathize:
https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11/status/973754577920188417
Riley with a PPG in tonight's 3-0 Boston win to get him to 39 points on the year. That's good enough to be Boston's sixth leading scorer at the moment.
In a weird turn of events, Riley Nash's 15th goal (and 40th point) tonight came courtesy of an assist from Ryan Donato, who was making his NHL debut (and also scored earlier in the game). Unfortunately, Riley lost coverage of his man on a Columbus line change in OT, leading to Cam Atkinson scoring the game-winner for the Jackets.
Justin Krueger scored his first goal of the playoffs in SCBern's 5-2 series-clinching win over Genève-Servette HC. SCB, the #1 seed and two-time defending champions of the National League of the Swiss Ice Hockey Federation, go on to a semifinal series against #7 ZSC (Zurich) Lions, who upset #2 EV Zug in their quarterfinal series.
https://www.sihf.ch/de/game-center/game/#/20181105000347
Ben Scrivens and his Salavat Yulaev team can be seen on onhockey.tv right now.
So no Donato to worry about next year. Other than the father.
Quote from: billhowardSo no Donato to worry about next year.
Just one less thing to worry about. Just one less thing to worry about.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardSo no Donato to worry about next year.
Just one less thing to worry about. Just one less thing to worry about.
Harvard's got a forward recruit coming in, Oliver Wahlstrom, who's projected to go 7th or 8th overall in this year's draft. Assuming he doesn't sign his NHL contract, I'm sure he'll be a handful to deal with.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardSo no Donato to worry about next year.
Just one less thing to worry about. Just one less thing to worry about.
Harvard's got a forward recruit coming in, Oliver Wahlstrom, who's projected to go 7th or 8th overall in this year's draft. Assuming he doesn't sign his NHL contract, I'm sure he'll be a handful to deal with.
(http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/8c51ac4d-acd9-4cf4-a718-4bb3906ae7b9/1ef5353c-9975-4173-87ab-226bc429cda7.gif)
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardSo no Donato to worry about next year.
Just one less thing to worry about. Just one less thing to worry about.
Harvard's got a forward recruit coming in, Oliver Wahlstrom, who's projected to go 7th or 8th overall in this year's draft. Assuming he doesn't sign his NHL contract, I'm sure he'll be a handful to deal with.
There were some rumblings on the USCHO forums recently that he might be decommitting, possibly due to academic issues. But that was just speculation AFAIK.
Re the Harvard recruit- You've probably seen this kid before but didn't realize it. See this clip from him as a nine-year-old https://youtu.be/Fssa7YNtw_I?t=53
This kid is a beast - let's hope he decommits.
Current Season w/ U-18 USNDTP
Date GP G A PTS SOG PPG SH PIM + / - GW AVG PTS
Season 51 39 39 78 225 9 3 32 26 5 1.53
Quote from: abmarksRe the Harvard recruit- You've probably seen this kid before but didn't realize it. See this clip from him as a nine-year-old https://youtu.be/Fssa7YNtw_I?t=53
This kid is a beast - let's hope he decommits.
Current Season w/ U-18 USNDTP
Date GP G A PTS SOG PPG SH PIM + / - GW AVG PTS
Season 51 39 39 78 225 9 3 32 26 5 1.53
He's able to do real magic when he has 15 feet of open ice. If only there was some way of, say, checking that.
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/98ad4b_8f1095e936414cce90fbf2f61e6030a6~mv2.jpg)
Quote from: TrotskyHe's able to do real magic when he has 15 feet of open ice. If only there was some way of, say, checking that.
Looks like he has solved that problem: https://youtu.be/CzQXPneRm8A?t=64
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardSo no Donato to worry about next year.
Just one less thing to worry about. Just one less thing to worry about.
Harvard's got a forward recruit coming in, Oliver Wahlstrom, who's projected to go 7th or 8th overall in this year's draft. Assuming he doesn't sign his NHL contract, I'm sure he'll be a handful to deal with in the classroom.
FYP
Donato Jr. has been through a lot, not the least of it the rumors he's Bob Gaudet's love child. Then the crushing news he is Donato's son.
Quote from: abmarksQuote from: TrotskyHe's able to do real magic when he has 15 feet of open ice. If only there was some way of, say, checking that.
Looks like he has solved that problem: https://youtu.be/CzQXPneRm8A?t=64
Meh, I saw a couple of good moves. Otherwise, I saw his team's ass getting kicked by the Wolverines.
Doesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
Quote from: BeeeejDoesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
Risking, and losing, your livelihood to pocket $7,000...
Quote from: BeeeejDoesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
Either it's a misunderstanding or somebody set him up or he's the dumbest Cornell graduate on the face of an Earth that contains Anne Coulter.
But this really almost cost me my keyboard:
Quotethe 'high standards of commercial honor and just and equitable principles of trade'
Quote from: TrotskyBut this really almost cost me my keyboard:
Quotethe 'high standards of commercial honor and just and equitable principles of trade'
Greg, there are well-established industry-standard ways of stealing from investors. You can't just
take their money.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBut this really almost cost me my keyboard:
Quotethe 'high standards of commercial honor and just and equitable principles of trade'
Greg, there are well-established industry-standard ways of stealing from investors. You can't just take their money.
I stand corrected and I sincerely apologize to all financial professionals whose thefts scrupulously adhere to the letter of the law.
(https://homesrealestateforsale.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/amateurs.jpg)
Nice lengthy Riley Nash feature.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/03/24/riley-nash-productivity-new-norm-aberration/mYBHYKyOv4E08qe9A1iYvK/story.html
Quote from: abmarksNice lengthy Riley Nash feature.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/03/24/riley-nash-productivity-new-norm-aberration/mYBHYKyOv4E08qe9A1iYvK/story.html
"But Nash (7-10—17, 13:48 of ice time per game, 1:56 shorthanded play per outing) performed so well, primarily on defense, that the Bruins declared him off limits and exposed Matt Beleskey instead."
Defense!!!
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksNice lengthy Riley Nash feature.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/03/24/riley-nash-productivity-new-norm-aberration/mYBHYKyOv4E08qe9A1iYvK/story.html
"But Nash (7-10—17, 13:48 of ice time per game, 1:56 shorthanded play per outing) performed so well, primarily on defense, that the Bruins declared him off limits and exposed Matt Beleskey instead."
Defense!!!
When we talk about recruiting advantages and disadvantages this is one thing we should not overlook. True, this would not be particularly appealing to a superstud player. But someone who's been a successful forward, scoring regularly and likely to be a 3rd-round or higher draft pick, would know that at Cornell they'll learn to be a two-way player. This could mean the difference between a cup of coffee in the NHL and being invited to stay to finish the meal.
I guess Dwyer Tschantz really enjoyed Worcester.
Tschantz Signs Pro Deal With ECHL's Worcester Railers (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/3/27/mens-ice-hockey-tschantz-signs-pro-deal-with-echls-worcester-railers.aspx)
Quote from: WederI guess Dwyer Tschantz really enjoyed Worcester.
Tschantz Signs Pro Deal With ECHL's Worcester Railers (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/3/27/mens-ice-hockey-tschantz-signs-pro-deal-with-echls-worcester-railers.aspx)
Good luck to him.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: abmarksNice lengthy Riley Nash feature.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/03/24/riley-nash-productivity-new-norm-aberration/mYBHYKyOv4E08qe9A1iYvK/story.html
"But Nash (7-10—17, 13:48 of ice time per game, 1:56 shorthanded play per outing) performed so well, primarily on defense, that the Bruins declared him off limits and exposed Matt Beleskey instead."
Defense!!!
It's The System.
Patrick McCarron as a Walleye. (http://www.toledoblade.com/Walleye/2018/03/27/Toledo-Walleye-defenseman-Patrick-McCarron-enjoying-rookie-season.html)
"The fan support at Cornell is phenomenal. It's the best place to play in college hockey," McCarron said. "It was the best four years of my life with the friendships and memories I made."
But he hardly has enough years to pick a best 4.
Alex Rauter has signed a contract with the Atlanta Gladiators of the ECHL:
https://twitter.com/ECHLWeek/status/979404932230107136
https://twitter.com/atlgladiators/status/979392555115835392
AHL's Grand Rapids Griffins Sign Yates Through 2018-19 (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/3/29/mens-ice-hockey-ahls-grand-rapids-griffins-sign-yates-through-2018-19.aspx)
Brad Chartrand is coaching youth hockey in the Albany area:
https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Area-youth-hockey-team-headed-to-event-in-Russia-12792853.php
Quote from: pfibigerBrad Chartrand is coaching youth hockey in the Albany area:
https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Area-youth-hockey-team-headed-to-event-in-Russia-12792853.php
Smart guy and possibly the best captain we've had since Schafer. I wonder if he ever gave any thought to making coaching a career? Probably way too late now.
www.cincinnaticyclones.com (http://cycloneshockey.com/news/2018/03/cyclones-collect-thrilling-overtime-win)
Nice. Of the class of '18, that now leaves just Jared Fiegl and Ryan Bliss.
Quote from: Williewww.cincinnaticyclones.com (http://cycloneshockey.com/news/2018/03/cyclones-collect-thrilling-overtime-win)
Excellent. Go Stew!
Quote from: BeeeejNice. Of the class of '18, that now leaves just Jared Fiegl and Ryan Bliss.
I thought Bliss isn't graduating this year? Does anyone have a definitive answer on this?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: BeeeejNice. Of the class of '18, that now leaves just Jared Fiegl and Ryan Bliss.
I thought Bliss isn't graduating this year? Does anyone have a definitive answer on this?
He's still class of '18 unless he elects to reaffiliate.
And Riley Nash has a short recovery:
Quote from: ESPN posting from AP articleCenter Riley Nash didn't travel a day after needing more than 40 stitches in his ear, head and neck after getting hit with a puck during the game against the Panthers. He could rejoin the team for games in Tampa Bay and Florida this week.
Jacob McDonald named AHL 1st team All Star (https://theahl.com/2017-18-ahl-first-second-all-star-teams).
Just posted on Twitter by the Penguins that Angello has signed a 2-year entry level contract.
Quote from: scoop85Just posted on Twitter by the Penguins that Angello has signed a 2-year entry level contract.
This is not an April fools joke, huh?
Dammit!!
Good luck, Anthony... You'll be missed.
Nope, not a joke.
He'll be missed, indeed.
To quote the current Super Bowl champs, "Next man up!"
https://twitter.com/Anthony_Angello/status/982034341063774208
Mitch Gillam named to 2017-18 ECHL All-Rookie Team (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/members/cornell/20180504_Gillam_named_to_2017-18_ECHL_All-Rookie_Team)
Good luck to Anthony. I'd have loved to see him back but it's his best move.
Quote from: TrotskyGood luck to Anthony. I'd gave loved to see him back but it's his best move.
His best move if his goal is to make the NHL at all costs and he needs the money from this year's AHL salary. Not his best move if he values his education/college hockey team more than that.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyGood luck to Anthony. I'd gave loved to see him back but it's his best move.
His best move if his goal is to make the NHL at all costs and he needs the money from this year's AHL salary. Not his best move if he values his education/college hockey team more than that.
Don't be melodramatic.
He's got 2 semesters to go -- you can make that up with a couple of summers work like Nieuwendyk did. I don't think we're exactly talking about an Architecture degree, here.
There is no "cost" to him. He gets the guarantee of his signing bonus as insurance against some fluke career-ending injury. He's obviously going to pursue hockey as a first choice career so postponing his degree does not hurt him. It might even help him since in finishing later he'll be rolling off the academic conveyor belt with whatever the snotty fad-of-that-year final touches are ("I have just one word for you, son..." ).
Plus if you're talking about the actual self-improvement of education, frankly you get more of that from being an adult autodidact than you do at Cornell's glorified white collar vocational school these days.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyGood luck to Anthony. I'd gave loved to see him back but it's his best move.
His best move if his goal is to make the NHL at all costs and he needs the money from this year's AHL salary. Not his best move if he values his education/college hockey team more than that.
Don't be melodramatic.
He's got 2 semesters to go -- you can make that up with a couple of summers work like Nieuwendyk did. I don't think we're exactly talking about an Architecture degree, here.
There is no "cost" to him. He gets the guarantee of his signing bonus as insurance against some fluke career-ending injury. He's obviously going to pursue hockey as a first choice career so postponing his degree does not hurt him. It might even help him since in finishing later he'll be rolling off the academic conveyor belt with whatever the snotty fad-of-that-year final touches are ("I have just one word for you, son..." ).
Plus if you're talking about the actual self-improvement of education, frankly you get more of that from being an adult autodidact than you do at Cornell's glorified white collar vocational school these days.
You're (correctly) reading into my post a value judgment on Angello's decision, a value judgment inspired in part by me being a bit bitter over his departure, but I fully understand every hockey player's dream is to play in the NHL and that Pittsburgh probably threw a good deal of money at him. With that said, many players in Angello's position turn down such offers every season in favor of returning to their teams and their schools. Maybe not at Minnesota and BU, who can instantly restock with top recruits, but if we want to compete with those schools we need these players to show a very high level of loyalty to Cornell. Vesey, Vecchionne, Verroneau are some recent examples of players with as good of or greater a shot at an NHL career than Angello spurning the pros to return for their senior season. It's too bad he wasn't named Vangello.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyGood luck to Anthony. I'd gave loved to see him back but it's his best move.
His best move if his goal is to make the NHL at all costs and he needs the money from this year's AHL salary. Not his best move if he values his education/college hockey team more than that.
Don't be melodramatic.
He's got 2 semesters to go -- you can make that up with a couple of summers work like Nieuwendyk did. I don't think we're exactly talking about an Architecture degree, here.
There is no "cost" to him. He gets the guarantee of his signing bonus as insurance against some fluke career-ending injury. He's obviously going to pursue hockey as a first choice career so postponing his degree does not hurt him. It might even help him since in finishing later he'll be rolling off the academic conveyor belt with whatever the snotty fad-of-that-year final touches are ("I have just one word for you, son..." ).
Plus if you're talking about the actual self-improvement of education, frankly you get more of that from being an adult autodidact than you do at Cornell's glorified white collar vocational school these days.
You're (correctly) reading into my post a value judgment on Angello's decision, a value judgment inspired in part by me being a bit bitter over his departure, but I fully understand every hockey player's dream is to play in the NHL and that Pittsburgh probably threw a good deal of money at him. With that said, many players in Angello's position turn down such offers every season in favor of returning to their teams and their schools. Maybe not at Minnesota and BU, who can instantly restock with top recruits, but if we want to compete with those schools we need these players to show a very high level of loyalty to Cornell. Vesey, Vecchionne, Verroneau are some recent examples of players with as good of or greater a shot at an NHL career than Angello spurning the pros to return for their senior season. It's too bad he wasn't named Vangello.
Vescey stayed for all 4 years.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: TrotskyGood luck to Anthony. I'd gave loved to see him back but it's his best move.
His best move if his goal is to make the NHL at all costs and he needs the money from this year's AHL salary. Not his best move if he values his education/college hockey team more than that.
I used to think it was stupid to turn pro early ... what better way to spend four years than on campus playing sports, chasing coeds (or vice versa if you're a jock), why jump the gun when life is good. Now, so many people do it, it's no big thing. And a lot of Cornell athletes have come back to finish up.
Drafted players are really pushed by the NHL clubs to sign before their senior year. The teams fear that if they play out their senior year, they're only 4 months from being a free agent and being able to go to the highest bidder (a la Vesey). Such players are being paid well over what their junior hockey peers would get in similar draft rounds. Angello got $925k from the Pens - the Caps gave Shane Gersich, who was drafted a just a few spots ahead of Angello the same deal. the guy drafted a couple spots ahead of that is at $740k.
Quote from: redGrinchDrafted players are really pushed by the NHL clubs to sign before their senior year. The teams fear that if they play out their senior year, they're only 4 months from being a free agent and being able to go to the highest bidder (a la Vesey). Such players are being paid well over what their junior hockey peers would get in similar draft rounds. Angello got $925k from the Pens - the Caps gave Shane Gersich, who was drafted a just a few spots ahead of Angello the same deal. the guy drafted a couple spots ahead of that is at $740k.
So I have some questions about what Angello really signed and what he'll get. I've seen it said he signed an "Entry-Level Contract" and an "Amateur Tryout Contract". I poorly understand these, so can anyone help?
And where did you see his salary listed? If the $ amounts are correct, would he not be on a two-way contract? If so and he's just in tne AHL, does he get the $70K and not $925K?
Help please.
I use CapFriendly (https://www.capfriendly.com/) - yes, Angello is a 2-way deal; $70 k in the minors. I think a fair amount of the decision-making process in these situations (leaving early) is the liklihood of being able to step straight into an NHL role as opposed to spending time in the miniors.
If I were Angello's advisor, I'd tell him to take the contract. He gets $92,500 now as a signing bonus. He gets $70,000 for the minors and $925,000 prorated for each NHL week he is rostered. Four of the eight Penguin Centers are restricted or unrestricted free agents next year. The remaining four Penguin Centers have salaries ranging from $3,000,000 to $9,500,000. Angello has an excellent chance to replace an unsigned Center. His challenge is to up his game to a consistent NHL level. He has the talent to do so. And the downside is $162,500 for a job he loves everyday. This will be his career. He is that good.
Quote from: redGrinchI use CapFriendly (https://www.capfriendly.com/) - yes, Angello is a 2-way deal; $70 k in the minors. I think a fair amount of the decision-making process in these situations (leaving early) is the liklihood of being able to step straight into an NHL role as opposed to spending time in the miniors.
Thanks, that helps a lot.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: redGrinchDrafted players are really pushed by the NHL clubs to sign before their senior year. The teams fear that if they play out their senior year, they're only 4 months from being a free agent and being able to go to the highest bidder (a la Vesey). Such players are being paid well over what their junior hockey peers would get in similar draft rounds. Angello got $925k from the Pens - the Caps gave Shane Gersich, who was drafted a just a few spots ahead of Angello the same deal. the guy drafted a couple spots ahead of that is at $740k.
So I have some questions about what Angello really signed and what he'll get. I've seen it said he signed an "Entry-Level Contract" and an "Amateur Tryout Contract". I poorly understand these, so can anyone help?
And where did you see his salary listed? If the $ amounts are correct, would he not be on a two-way contract? If so and he's just in tne AHL, does he get the $70K and not $925K?
Help please.
The story on the Penguins site (https://www.nhl.com/penguins/news/penguins-sign-forward-anthony-angello/c-297692172) says
QuoteThe Pittsburgh Penguins have signed forward Anthony Angello to a two-year, entry-level contract, it was announced today by executive vice president and general manager Jim Rutherford.
Angello's deal will begin with the 2018-19 campaign. He will report to the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins on an amateur tryout contract.
W-B/S Penguins have five games left in the season (tonight, tomorrow, and three next weekend), so it's possible he could even see action this month. I'd be interested to hear thoughts on how he compares with the other centers in the Penguins pipeline.
And some of our alumni aren't playing: https://www.ihe.ca/about/staff-directory (https://www.ihe.ca/about/staff-directory/rodger-craig)
Good for him!
And his last goal was the GWG against Michigan in the tournament:
http://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=34156
Interesting blog post by Topher Scott (https://www.prodigy-hockey.com/uncategorized/love-the-game/) using Anthony Angello as a positive role model for families with kids in youth hockey
Joakim Ryan named SJ Sharks Rookie of the Year:
https://www.nhl.com/sharks/news/joakim-ryan-voted-sharks-rookie-of-the-year/c-297785030
Anthony Angello anxious to get pro career started with WBS Penguins (https://www.timesleader.com/sports/699770/anthony-angello-anxious-to-get-pro-career-started-with-wbs-penguins)
This past week Trevor Yates had his first AHL game, Stewart sealed his team's ECHL playoff spot, and Rauter picked up 3 points in 3 games for his ECHL playoff team.
Riley Nash might be back for game 2
https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/special-teams-a-force-in-bs-game-1-victory/c-297948206
Quote from: Jim HylaAnthony Angello anxious to get pro career started with WBS Penguins (https://www.timesleader.com/sports/699770/anthony-angello-anxious-to-get-pro-career-started-with-wbs-penguins)
The Baby Pens play Lehigh Valley Saturday night.
Sorry Anthony. Go Phantoms!
Speaking of Go Phantoms, Willcox with a 3 point night (1G, 2A) and the 2nd star in the Phantoms' 5-2 win against Bridgeport tonight.
And we have an Angello sighting, complete with a remark of "Another Cornell product" on the Phantoms' broadcast.
Be A Player: Rewind | Joe Nieuwendyk (https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-15052/be-a-player-rewind-joe-nieuwendyk)
Joe Nieuwendyk
3x STANLEY CUP CHAMPION (1989,1999, 2003)
4x NHL ALL-STAR (1988, '89, '89, '94)
CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY (1987-88)
KING CLANCY MEMORIAL TROPHY (1994-95)
CONN SMYTHE TROPHY (1998-99)
1,257 GP for 5 NHL teams (CGY, DAL, NJD, TOR, FLA)
1,126 NHL CAREER PTS (564 G, 562 A)
SECOND "FOREVER A FLAME" PROGRAM HONOUREE (2014)
HOCKEY HALL OF FAME INDUCTEE (2011)
NAMED AMONG 100 GREATEST NHL PLAYERS
Yates was released by the Grand Rapids Griffins.
http://www.griffinshockey.com/news/releases/?article_id=4056
Quote from: jts15Yates was released by the Grand Rapids Griffins.
http://www.griffinshockey.com/news/releases/?article_id=4056
Two games? That's not even a cup of coffee. Maybe an espresso.::rolleyes::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: jts15Yates was released by the Grand Rapids Griffins.
http://www.griffinshockey.com/news/releases/?article_id=4056
Two games? That's not even a cup of coffee. Maybe an espresso.::rolleyes::
(https://i.imgur.com/yqJbGoJ.jpg)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: jts15Yates was released by the Grand Rapids Griffins.
http://www.griffinshockey.com/news/releases/?article_id=4056
Two games? That's not even a cup of coffee. Maybe an espresso.::rolleyes::
(https://i.imgur.com/yqJbGoJ.jpg)
+1
One of my favorite movies.
PSECU Player of the Week – Reece Willcox (http://www.phantomshockey.com/psecu-player-week-reece-willcox-416/)
"Riley Nash fits in well with Bruins top line" (http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20180421/riley-nash-fits-in-well-with-bruins-top-line)
Riley Nash picks up his first playoff point with an assist on Brad Marchand's ENG to seal the deal for Boston in Game 7 last night.
Quote from: sah67Riley Nash picks up his first playoff point with an assist on Brad Marchand's ENG to seal the deal for Boston in Game 7 last night.
Meanwhile in local news in the Hub:
Quote from: Boston HeraldYesterday, Bruins coach Bruce Cassidy's decision not to dress Harvard boy Ryan Donato for Game 7 led to an entire day of point/counterpoint anywhere in Greater Boston where hockey is the talk.
Several Sharks fans on the HFBoards forum are calling for Joakim Ryan to be inserted into the lineup after being disappointed with the San Jose defensive effort in the first three games of the series against Vegas.
Quote from: sah67Several Sharks fans on the HFBoards forum are calling for Joakim Ryan to be inserted into the lineup after being disappointed with the San Jose defensive effort in the first three games of the series against Vegas.
Any friend of Douglas
Murray, and all.
Quote from: sah67Several Sharks fans on the HFBoards forum are calling for Joakim Ryan to be inserted into the lineup after being disappointed with the San Jose defensive effort in the first three games of the series against Vegas.
That would cause me anxiety. I want the Golden Knights to take the cheese.
Joakim was indeed in the San Jose lineup last night for their 4-0 win over Vegas. He only played about 11 or 12 minutes but received frequent praise from the NBCSN commentators for his performance.
His ability to grow a decent playoff beard (unlike a certain all star Penguins player) should be getting him 15 minutes a night alone
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: abmarksNot surprisingly, he wears #25.
Kent was 21. I don't know what Kim was, but the sum is what he should wear if he comes here.
Unless it's > 29. Non-goalie uniform numbers greater than 29 should be banned.
Gah, he's committed to Colgate (http://www.thecchl.ca/commitment-alert-jr-sens-ethan-manderville-commits-to-colgate-university-for-2019-20).
(But congrats to the Manderville family.)
QuoteManderville suited up for Team East in the CJHL Prospects Game back in January and is ranked #165 by International Scouting Services for the upcoming NHL Entry Draft being held in Dallas, TX.
Gee, that might have come in handy.
Quote from: TrotskyQuoteManderville suited up for Team East in the CJHL Prospects Game back in January and is ranked #165 by International Scouting Services for the upcoming NHL Entry Draft being held in Dallas, TX.
Gee, that might have come in handy.
I have no idea what drove that decision -- my hunch is that Colgate's ability to offer a full-ride scholarship didn't hurt -- but this is a huge bummer. A legacy and a player of that caliber doesn't come along very often. Let's hope we have better luck with Jackson Nieuwendyk*
*1 https://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2017/10/5/16391380/ushl-fall-classic-top-16u-prospects-groll-papp-robinson-brooks-yoder-bagsall-driscoll-johnson-o-gwen
Quote10. Jackson Nieuwendyk
#25 Dallas Stars Elite, 9/4/02, Shoots Left, 5-8/150
Nieuwendyk appears to be somewhat of a late bloomer. He's the son of former NHL great and Cornell alum Joe Nieuwendyk. He has good size and skates well enough. He's a player who could get up and down the sheet on the left wing. Don't be surprised to see him commit to the Big Red in the near future.
*2 http://thescoutingnews.com/index.php/hockey/home?page=39
QuoteA dozen reasons why Jackson Nieuwendyk (F, 02, Dallas) will be a classic late bloomer, and a player prospect who will excel in the NCAA D1 ranks beyond all reasonable expectations
Quote from: pfibigerI have no idea what drove that decision -- my hunch is that Colgate's ability to offer a full-ride scholarship didn't hurt -- but this is a huge bummer. A legacy and a player of that caliber doesn't come along very often.
I remember when Bruce Pattison's son Rob showed up with the Catamounts some of our older Faithful were
Extremely Displeased.
My take in these situations is the kid better not have had the grades. Otherwise there's just no excuse not to have landed him. We've seen in plenty of other schools that multi-generational program royalty can be a force multiplier. Family builds pride and morale (and responsibility) in ways nothing else does.
We did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
This isn't alumni, but it is the NHL and I didn't know where else to put it. Anyone else have flashbacks to 2003 after watching this save? Only difference is that Holtby didn't save it with his facemask.
Washington Capitals' goalie makes amazing save to block an open net (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/sports/vegas-golden-knights-washington-capitals-stanley-cup-finals.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront)
Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
And it's squeakball, so who gives a crap.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
I didn't pick up on that either. It's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's why we have emojis, or italics: We did
steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Quote from: Jim HylaIt's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's a feature, not a bug.
Quote from: TrotskyMy take in these situations is the kid better not have had the grades. Otherwise there's just no excuse not to have landed him.
According to this thread on uscho:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?120378-Colgate-2017-18&p=6670600&viewfull=1#post6670600
QuoteHe had good grades.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
I didn't pick up on that either. It's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's why we have emojis, or italics: We did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Jim, I've said this before and I have to insist on it: emojis are a crutch. Context clues, like "good faith on the part of the reader" are more useful than emojis in detecting sarcasm and jokes. People wrote books for thousands of years without even a "j/k" and other people figured out how to read them.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
I didn't pick up on that either. It's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's why we have emojis, or italics: We did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Jim, I've said this before and I have to insist on it: emojis are a crutch. Context clues, like "good faith on the part of the reader" are more useful than emojis in detecting sarcasm and jokes. People wrote books for thousands of years without even a "j/k" and other people figured out how to read them.
Why should we have to suffer today just because people did things an old-fashioned way for thousands of years?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
I didn't pick up on that either. It's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's why we have emojis, or italics: We did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Jim, I've said this before and I have to insist on it: emojis are a crutch. Context clues, like "good faith on the part of the reader" are more useful than emojis in detecting sarcasm and jokes. People wrote books for thousands of years without even a "j/k" and other people figured out how to read them.
Why should we have to suffer today just because people did things an old-fashioned way for thousands of years?
Sarcasm?
::innocent::
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
I didn't pick up on that either. It's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's why we have emojis, or italics: We did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Jim, I've said this before and I have to insist on it: emojis are a crutch. Context clues, like "good faith on the part of the reader" are more useful than emojis in detecting sarcasm and jokes. People wrote books for thousands of years without even a "j/k" and other people figured out how to read them.
All of that is true. However with the speed that people are writing now, I'm not sure that we'll ever get back to that. Hell, we can't even get people to use punctuation and capitals, say nothing of proofreading before hitting post or send. If emojis allow a quick and easy way to interpret, I say use them.
Hopefully the writing of books will never require them, but for emails and online posts, use them if they will help in understanding.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardWe did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Uh, he's a nice player for the Ivies, but not a high-major talent
Do you think we don't understand that? Or that Bill doesn't? I suspect Bill was even implying that in making his post.
Sorry, my sarcasm detector was not working.
I didn't pick up on that either. It's the problem with the written word versus observed speech. In person you'd see the facial expressions.
That's why we have emojis, or italics: We did steal Jimmy Boeheim from Syracuse.
Jim, I've said this before and I have to insist on it: emojis are a crutch. Context clues, like "good faith on the part of the reader" are more useful than emojis in detecting sarcasm and jokes. People wrote books for thousands of years without even a "j/k" and other people figured out how to read them.
All of that is true. However with the speed that people are writing now, I'm not sure that we'll ever get back to that. Hell, we can't even get people to use punctuation and capitals, say nothing of proofreading before hitting post or send. If emojis allow a quick and easy way to interpret, I say use them.
Hopefully the writing of books will never require them, but for emails and online posts, use them if they will help in understanding.
Alas, the use of emojis in one's own writing to aid the reader in understanding - particularly when it comes to things like sarcasm and other humor - requires a certain amount of self-awareness that one's readers are going to need the help.
Quote from: BeeeejAlas, the use of emojis in one's own writing to aid the reader in understanding - particularly when it comes to things like sarcasm and other humor - requires a certain amount of self-awareness that one's readers are going to need the help.
Writing has always been at multiple levels. A sentence which expresses anything new or interesting will by definition leave half the readership behind. The choice is dumb it down for that half (call this the Facebook Method) or... well... fuck em.
Quote from: pfibigerQuote from: TrotskyMy take in these situations is the kid better not have had the grades. Otherwise there's just no excuse not to have landed him.
According to this thread on uscho:
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?120378-Colgate-2017-18&p=6670600&viewfull=1#post6670600
QuoteHe had good grades.
If you read that thread closely, pretty sure that "He had good grades" was intended as a joke - it was in reply to "wonder how Schafer missed him?"
Academic standards for playing hockey, even at an Ivy, aren't very high. If this kid had ambitions of playing for Cornell, he could have gotten the B average or whatever he needed to do so. And the son of a guy who played 650 NHL games going with the cheaper option? Possible, but again it seems unlikely. The most likely reality is that for some reason he preferred Colgate to Cornell. Maybe he didn't want to skate in his father's shadow? It's a bad loss however it happened. It does seem Cornell was getting more NHL talent 10, 15 years ago.
There are also, cough, accommodations for famous alums' kids. I have to think it was his choice.
So. Bad parenting.
If his parents are doing well financially it might be the difference between $0 for his education and $250,000. That's hard to fault them for if so.
I am pretty sure that Colgate coach Don Vaughn was an assistant while Kent was at Cornell. I suspect that relationship has something to do with Ethan's decision.
Quote from: dag14I am pretty sure that Colgate coach Don Vaughn was an assistant while Kent was at Cornell. I suspect that relationship has something to do with Ethan's decision.
They overlapped for one entire season, during which season Schafer was also an assistant. But that brings me to another point - remember, Kent only stuck around for two seasons himself, and he left long before Schafer became head coach. It's tough to know why anyone makes the decisions they do, but in this case I'm leaning toward a combination of much more advantageous finances and a lower level of Cornell devotion than it sounds like people are imagining here. Playing several seasons in the NHL doesn't make anybody set for life unless they live
way below their means the entire time, so I can absolutely see the attraction of a smaller hit for college.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: dag14I am pretty sure that Colgate coach Don Vaughn was an assistant while Kent was at Cornell. I suspect that relationship has something to do with Ethan's decision.
They overlapped for one entire season, during which season Schafer was also an assistant. But that brings me to another point - remember, Kent only stuck around for two seasons himself, and he left long before Schafer became head coach. It's tough to know why anyone makes the decisions they do, but in this case I'm leaning toward a combination of much more advantageous finances and a lower level of Cornell devotion than it sounds like people are imagining here. Playing several seasons in the NHL doesn't make anybody set for life unless they live way below their means the entire time, so I can absolutely see the attraction of a smaller hit for college.
According to Wikipedia (I know, I know), the cost of attendance at Cornell is $70,371 and at Colgate is $69,860. So that's a wash (which is hysterical; I mean... Colgate?).
Although Colgate offers athletic scholarships and Cornell ostensibly (and ostentatiously) does not, it's an open secret that Cornell will find a way to find a comparable package based on, ahem, something, if your slap shot is good enough.*
*
Warning: this may erode your belief in Ivy academic integrity. If this bothers you for more than four hours please consult a physician to tell you I am kidding and of course Ivy athletics has great academic integrity and would never, say, just put out a self-serving cover story to support their marketing brand. Now, enjoy a deep and dreamless slumber.
Quote from: BearLoverAcademic standards for playing hockey, even at an Ivy, aren't very high. If this kid had ambitions of playing for Cornell, he could have gotten the B average or whatever he needed to do so. And the son of a guy who played 650 NHL games going with the cheaper option? Possible, but again it seems unlikely. The most likely reality is that for some reason he preferred Colgate to Cornell. Maybe he didn't want to skate in his father's shadow? It's a bad loss however it happened. It does seem Cornell was getting more NHL talent 10, 15 years ago.
Overall I think we are now getting as good if not better pro-potential talent than 10 to 15 years ago.
Quote from: BearLoverAcademic standards for playing hockey, even at an Ivy, aren't very high. If this kid had ambitions of playing for Cornell, he could have gotten the B average or whatever he needed to do so. And the son of a guy who played 650 NHL games going with the cheaper option? Possible, but again it seems unlikely. The most likely reality is that for some reason he preferred Colgate to Cornell. Maybe he didn't want to skate in his father's shadow? It's a bad loss however it happened. It does seem Cornell was getting more NHL talent 10, 15 years ago.
I don't know about talent but I decided to look up actual NHL players as a proxy. This is interesting (and thanks for compiling this Greg!):
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_by_Year.html
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_Alumni.html
I'm not sure if Cornell was graduating more NHLers 10/15 years ago or if it just hasn't been long enough to compare against recent classes. Of the Schafer-recruited players on that list it looks like Murray, Moulson, O'Byrne, Bitz, Scrivens, Greening, and Riley Nash were the ones to get more than random emergency call-up or rookie cup of coffee kind of work in the NHL. That makes 3-4 each from the strong periods in 2002-2006 and 2009-2011. I didn't actually classify players by departure year or where they played most of their games, but this seems roughly correct to me.
From the past several years we've got Ferlin and Ryan with at least one NHL game, plus Angello and a handful of other AHLers with the potential to break through. As a practical matter, anybody in the ECHL is a huge long shot.
It's possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers in general, but it's also possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers from the down period between 2011 and 2015, and the current crop of talent is getting back up to that level.
I don't care at all if my son goes to Cornell and I post on hockey and wrestling forums like a total fuckin' nerd. Manderville played at Cornell for two seasons of people talking about how disappointing he was. I'm only surprised that Kim didn't make him come here.
People can speculate on the different admissions standards but I have a hard time believing there is a material difference between the academic profiles of the Cornell and Colgate teams.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: dag14I am pretty sure that Colgate coach Don Vaughn was an assistant while Kent was at Cornell. I suspect that relationship has something to do with Ethan's decision.
They overlapped for one entire season, during which season Schafer was also an assistant. But that brings me to another point - remember, Kent only stuck around for two seasons himself, and he left long before Schafer became head coach. It's tough to know why anyone makes the decisions they do, but in this case I'm leaning toward a combination of much more advantageous finances and a lower level of Cornell devotion than it sounds like people are imagining here. Playing several seasons in the NHL doesn't make anybody set for life unless they live way below their means the entire time, so I can absolutely see the attraction of a smaller hit for college.
According to Wikipedia (I know, I know), the cost of attendance at Cornell is $70,371 and at Colgate is $69,860. So that's a wash (which is hysterical; I mean... Colgate?).
Although Colgate offers athletic scholarships and Cornell ostensibly (and ostentatiously) does not, it's an open secret that Cornell will find a way to find a comparable package based on, ahem, something, if your slap shot is good enough.*
* Warning: this may erode your belief in Ivy academic integrity. If this bothers you for more than four hours please consult a physician to tell you I am kidding and of course Ivy athletics has great academic integrity and would never, say, just put out a self-serving cover story to support their marketing brand. Now, enjoy a deep and dreamless slumber.
Yes, but you neglect the advantage of fluoride. NEN
Quote from: ugarteI don't care at all if my son goes to Cornell
If your son is going in the first round of the draft you damn well
better care. We know where you live. Well, I assume somebody here knows where you live. Will live. In the future when that happens.
So, yeah.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteI don't care at all if my son goes to Cornell
If your son is going in the first round of the draft you damn well better care. We know where you live. Well, I assume somebody here knows where you live. Will live. In the future when that happens.
So, yeah.
Podcasts have a draft now?
Quote from: martyYes, but you neglect the advantage of fluoride. NEN
They're kids. It always comes down to tail.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/00/b7/d0/00b7d08bd49cd827c4073e6b9f2643da--old-ads-print-ads.jpg)
Quote from: ugarteManderville played at Cornell for two seasons of people talking about how disappointing he was.
This, this, this is exactly what I remember from the time, and I was but a whippersnapper then.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverAcademic standards for playing hockey, even at an Ivy, aren't very high. If this kid had ambitions of playing for Cornell, he could have gotten the B average or whatever he needed to do so. And the son of a guy who played 650 NHL games going with the cheaper option? Possible, but again it seems unlikely. The most likely reality is that for some reason he preferred Colgate to Cornell. Maybe he didn't want to skate in his father's shadow? It's a bad loss however it happened. It does seem Cornell was getting more NHL talent 10, 15 years ago.
I don't know about talent but I decided to look up actual NHL players as a proxy. This is interesting (and thanks for compiling this Greg!):
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_by_Year.html
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_Alumni.html
I'm not sure if Cornell was graduating more NHLers 10/15 years ago or if it just hasn't been long enough to compare against recent classes. Of the Schafer-recruited players on that list it looks like Murray, Moulson, O'Byrne, Bitz, Scrivens, Greening, and Riley Nash were the ones to get more than random emergency call-up or rookie cup of coffee kind of work in the NHL. That makes 3-4 each from the strong periods in 2002-2006 and 2009-2011. I didn't actually classify players by departure year or where they played most of their games, but this seems roughly correct to me.
From the past several years we've got Ferlin and Ryan with at least one NHL game, plus Angello and a handful of other AHLers with the potential to break through. As a practical matter, anybody in the ECHL is a huge long shot.
It's possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers in general, but it's also possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers from the down period between 2011 and 2015, and the current crop of talent is getting back up to that level.
We are seeing fewer draft picks per class (none of our incoming freshmen are expected to be drafted): [link to tbrw page on draft picks]
Quote from: ugarteManderville played at Cornell for two seasons of people talking about how disappointing he was.
He was an EXTREMELY hyped incoming freshman -- among our most ever -- plus he was just after Nieuwy and people wanted a successor. I can remember him as a freshman trying to do it all himself and of course with the speed and strength of the college opponents he couldn't. Ironically, he learned to be a solid 2-way player at Cornell and that gave him a long NHL career. I doubt he has any resentments.
Kim, OTOH, is Cornell hockey royalty. If there's a Queen, she's it.
So, no, I don't think there was any lack of emotional connection with Cornell and/or Cornell hockey (or with Mike who AFAIK is a friend of theirs) in that family.
Poopie.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverAcademic standards for playing hockey, even at an Ivy, aren't very high. If this kid had ambitions of playing for Cornell, he could have gotten the B average or whatever he needed to do so. And the son of a guy who played 650 NHL games going with the cheaper option? Possible, but again it seems unlikely. The most likely reality is that for some reason he preferred Colgate to Cornell. Maybe he didn't want to skate in his father's shadow? It's a bad loss however it happened. It does seem Cornell was getting more NHL talent 10, 15 years ago.
I don't know about talent but I decided to look up actual NHL players as a proxy. This is interesting (and thanks for compiling this Greg!):
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_by_Year.html
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_Alumni.html
I'm not sure if Cornell was graduating more NHLers 10/15 years ago or if it just hasn't been long enough to compare against recent classes. Of the Schafer-recruited players on that list it looks like Murray, Moulson, O'Byrne, Bitz, Scrivens, Greening, and Riley Nash were the ones to get more than random emergency call-up or rookie cup of coffee kind of work in the NHL. That makes 3-4 each from the strong periods in 2002-2006 and 2009-2011. I didn't actually classify players by departure year or where they played most of their games, but this seems roughly correct to me.
From the past several years we've got Ferlin and Ryan with at least one NHL game, plus Angello and a handful of other AHLers with the potential to break through. As a practical matter, anybody in the ECHL is a huge long shot.
It's possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers in general, but it's also possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers from the down period between 2011 and 2015, and the current crop of talent is getting back up to that level.
We are seeing fewer draft picks per class (none of our incoming freshmen are expected to be drafted): [link to tbrw page on draft picks]
I chose to focus on actual NHL players because I'm just not sold on draft picks as a measure of "NHL-caliber talent" across a 15-20 year span. My memory from the late 90s and on was that we got a lot of late round picks that were really big dudes who never had a legitimate NHL shot. Sure, one of them happened to be Doug Murray, but the rest weren't nearly as good.
There are two big confounding factors that I suspect have more to do with the draft pick drop-off than an actual decrease in talent in recruiting classes:
1) The biggest factor is the number of Cornell's earlier picks who were 8th and 9th rounders. The NHL draft had 9 rounds up until 2004, and an extra 70+ players got picked overall. Based on overall draft position (> 217) Doug Murray, Brian McMeekin, Mark McRae, Mike Knoepfli, Dan Glover, Matt Moulson, and Mitch Carefoot would not have been selected in today's draft. Interestingly enough, two of those players were arguably our most successful NHL players from the Schafer era. Just excluding those players gets things closer across eras. If you exclude picks above 217 our high-water mark for draft choices per year in the Schafer era is 4, and we've hit it twice. Once in 2003, and once in 2014. In most years we've only gotten 1 or 2 < 217th picks on the team, so while we might have had a few more big years in the past it doesn't look like a clear trend to me.
2) The NHL started to embrace metrics and analysis over the past 5+ years, so it's entirely possible that "big kid with some talent who might develop" could be less of a late round draft pattern (assuming it was a pattern to begin with - my entire experience following the draft was "which Cornell players got taken" and a lot of them were big and either quick or good with the puck, but never all three). If that focus has really shifted, the likes of McMeekin, Glover, Gleed, and Krueger might not have been drafted at all, even with two more rounds. Nothing against those guys, they were fine players (and I loved to watch McMeekin back on defense, he was one of my favorite players from that era), but they weren't NHL talents.
Quote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Tom LentoQuote from: BearLoverAcademic standards for playing hockey, even at an Ivy, aren't very high. If this kid had ambitions of playing for Cornell, he could have gotten the B average or whatever he needed to do so. And the son of a guy who played 650 NHL games going with the cheaper option? Possible, but again it seems unlikely. The most likely reality is that for some reason he preferred Colgate to Cornell. Maybe he didn't want to skate in his father's shadow? It's a bad loss however it happened. It does seem Cornell was getting more NHL talent 10, 15 years ago.
I don't know about talent but I decided to look up actual NHL players as a proxy. This is interesting (and thanks for compiling this Greg!):
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_by_Year.html
http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_NHL_Alumni.html
I'm not sure if Cornell was graduating more NHLers 10/15 years ago or if it just hasn't been long enough to compare against recent classes. Of the Schafer-recruited players on that list it looks like Murray, Moulson, O'Byrne, Bitz, Scrivens, Greening, and Riley Nash were the ones to get more than random emergency call-up or rookie cup of coffee kind of work in the NHL. That makes 3-4 each from the strong periods in 2002-2006 and 2009-2011. I didn't actually classify players by departure year or where they played most of their games, but this seems roughly correct to me.
From the past several years we've got Ferlin and Ryan with at least one NHL game, plus Angello and a handful of other AHLers with the potential to break through. As a practical matter, anybody in the ECHL is a huge long shot.
It's possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers in general, but it's also possible that we're seeing fewer NHLers from the down period between 2011 and 2015, and the current crop of talent is getting back up to that level.
We are seeing fewer draft picks per class (none of our incoming freshmen are expected to be drafted): [link to tbrw page on draft picks]
I chose to focus on actual NHL players because I'm just not sold on draft picks as a measure of "NHL-caliber talent" across a 15-20 year span. My memory from the late 90s and on was that we got a lot of late round picks that were really big dudes who never had a legitimate NHL shot. Sure, one of them happened to be Doug Murray, but the rest weren't nearly as good.
There are two big confounding factors that I suspect have more to do with the draft pick drop-off than an actual decrease in talent in recruiting classes:
1) The biggest factor is the number of Cornell's earlier picks who were 8th and 9th rounders. The NHL draft had 9 rounds up until 2004, and an extra 70+ players got picked overall. Based on overall draft position (> 217) Doug Murray, Brian McMeekin, Mark McRae, Mike Knoepfli, Dan Glover, Matt Moulson, and Mitch Carefoot would not have been selected in today's draft. Interestingly enough, two of those players were arguably our most successful NHL players from the Schafer era. Just excluding those players gets things closer across eras. If you exclude picks above 217 our high-water mark for draft choices per year in the Schafer era is 4, and we've hit it twice. Once in 2003, and once in 2014. In most years we've only gotten 1 or 2 < 217th picks on the team, so while we might have had a few more big years in the past it doesn't look like a clear trend to me.
2) The NHL started to embrace metrics and analysis over the past 5+ years, so it's entirely possible that "big kid with some talent who might develop" could be less of a late round draft pattern (assuming it was a pattern to begin with - my entire experience following the draft was "which Cornell players got taken" and a lot of them were big and either quick or good with the puck, but never all three). If that focus has really shifted, the likes of McMeekin, Glover, Gleed, and Krueger might not have been drafted at all, even with two more rounds. Nothing against those guys, they were fine players (and I loved to watch McMeekin back on defense, he was one of my favorite players from that era), but they weren't NHL talents.
I definitely agree with (1) and probably agree with (2), but this upcoming year we are going to have only four draft picks on the team, one of whom was possibly a novelty pick by the Islanders rather than a player chosen for his NHL potential. (Happy to be wrong here, but Andong Song has 1 goal and 2 assists in 100 USHL games.) We currently have only two players in the NHL. Those numbers place us in the middle of the pack in the ECAC and significantly below Harvard. I'm not asking that we be recruit BC-level talent, but if we're going to compete for a national championship we should get more NHL talent than we've been getting. We should have more NHL players than Princeton and Dartmouth, at least.
For reference, NHL players who played college hockey (http://collegehockeyinc.com/2017-18-alums-nhl.php), and drafted NCAA players (http://collegehockeyinc.com/nhl-draft-picks-playing-college-hockey.php) (on both lists you can sort by school).
Quote from: BearLoverbut this upcoming year we are going to have only four draft picks on the team, one of whom was possibly a novelty pick by the Islanders rather than a player chosen for his NHL potential. (Happy to be wrong here, but Andong Song has 1 goal and 2 assists in 100 USHL games.) We currently have only two players in the NHL. Those numbers place us in the middle of the pack in the ECAC and significantly below Harvard. I'm not asking that we be recruit BC-level talent, but if we're going to compete for a national championship we should get more NHL talent than we've been getting. We should have more NHL players than Princeton and Dartmouth, at least.
I forgot about that guy!
Anyway, sure, totally agree, more NHL-caliber talent by any measure would be welcome. I don't fully agree that you can't compete for a national title without it just because the talent profile in college is so much broader. Martin St. Louis and Eric Perrin were dominant college players and neither was drafted, and that was back in the 9 round draft days. Having said that, Cornell under Schafer has pretty much always recruited the kind of really big guys who either get drafted or are clearly not good enough to play in the NHL, so even though draft pick counts are a noisy indicator they are perhaps more relevant to the Big Red than a team that favors small fast guys.
Dwyer Tschantz signed with the Maine Mariners
Ben Scrivens, who retired, I guess, has joined the University of Denver team staff. (He's working on a master's degree, too.)
https://denverpioneers.com/index.aspx
Quote from: WederBen Scrivens, who retired, I guess, has joined the University of Denver team staff. (He's working on a master's degree, too.)
https://denverpioneers.com/index.aspx
Quote from: From the articleScrivens, 31, is recently retired
Quote from: WederBen Scrivens, who retired, I guess, has joined the University of Denver team staff. (He's working on a master's degree, too.)
https://denverpioneers.com/index.aspx
Aren't team managers previoiusly guys who couldn't skate, loved hockey, and got out of the phys-ed requirement?
I am going to guess that the Cornell equivalent is "Director of Hockey Operations." Joe Palmer for our men's team and Louise Derraugh for the women.
Angello making a good impression at Penguins camp. (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2018/09/07/Penguins-Anthony-Angello-Prospects-Challenge-Buffalo-Cornell-physical-big/stories/201809070157) My favorite sentence in the article: "He crunched Bruins prospect Ryan Donato early on, then followed that with a harder hit on Cedric Pare." The article also says Angello's mother wasn't happy with his decision to leave Cornell early.
Erik Karlsson just traded to Sharks. Another elite right shot defenseman alongside Burns. Left shot defensemen include Ryan, Vlasic and Dillon. Looks like Ryan will play with Burns, Karlsson or Braun - I'd guess Burns given some success last year?
Sharks depth chart (https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/73/san-jose-sharks/depth-chart)
Reece Willcox assigned to the Phantoms by the Flyers today.
Bardreau still playing with the big club, but they're currently carrying 25 forwards, so his time in Philly may not last.
Edit: And it didn't last. Cole cleared waivers today (Saturday) and was assigned to the Phantoms.
Anthony Angello is still with the Pens; he's played in two preseason games and has one assist.
Did we have a one-screen source of who's retired and when? Maybe Jim Hyla can add that to his initial post.
Nice feature (https://www.ctpost.com/soundtigers/article/Off-stellar-rookie-year-Sound-Tigers-Gillam-13254599.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) on Mitch Gillam, who's trying to earn a spot with Bridgeport in the AHL.
Quote from: billhowardDid we have a one-screen source of who's retired and when? Maybe Jim Hyla can add that to his initial post.
I'll try and update the list this weekend. Probably starting a new thread for this year "Where are our Alumni Playing Now, 2018-19 Edition".
Quote from: dbilmesNice feature (https://www.ctpost.com/soundtigers/article/Off-stellar-rookie-year-Sound-Tigers-Gillam-13254599.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) on Mitch Gillam, who's trying to earn a spot with Bridgeport in the AHL.
As we have zero cromulent goaltenders, he'll probably be our #1 in Belmont.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: billhowardDid we have a one-screen source of who's retired and when? Maybe Jim Hyla can add that to his initial post.
I'll try and update the list this weekend. Probably starting a new thread for this year "Where are our Alumni Playing Now, 2018-19 Edition".
How about just "Alumni News 2018-19" to avoid a needlessly long title? (Even though I preferred the monthly threads. The mobile version is 26 pages long fer cripes sake.) The stated purpose of WAOAPN was to document locations and current teams, but it just defaulted to a general update and news thread.
Trevor Yates was recently released by the Detroit Red Wingx
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: billhowardDid we have a one-screen source of who's retired and when? Maybe Jim Hyla can add that to his initial post.
I'll try and update the list this weekend. Probably starting a new thread for this year "Where are our Alumni Playing Now, 2018-19 Edition".
How about just "Alumni News 2018-19" to avoid a needlessly long title? (Even though I preferred the monthly threads. The mobile version is 26 pages long fer cripes sake.) The stated purpose of WAOAPN was to document locations and current teams, but it just defaulted to a general update and news thread.
Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!
Quote from: rediceTrevor Yates was recently released by the Detroit Red Wingx
And reported to the Grand Rapids Griffins in the AHL. I thought you were saying he was a free agent.
Angello was sent down as well (to Wilkes-Barre).
Surprise! We have another NHLer. Jacob McDonald makes the roster cut for the Panthers. Climbed all the way up starting from Elmira.
Subscription required, but you get the first few paragraphs: https://theathletic.com/557238/2018/10/01/florida-panthers-set-their-roster-jacob-macdonald-makes-it-henrik-borgstrom-does-not/
Article from a couple days ago: https://www.nhl.com/panthers/news/macdonald-given-opportunity-to-shine-in-final-preseason-game/c-300490494
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: rediceTrevor Yates was recently released by the Detroit Red Wingx
And reported to the Grand Rapids Griffins in the AHL. I thought you were saying he was a free agent.
Angello was sent down as well (to Wilkes-Barre).
I only quoted my local newspaper's transaction listing.
Bad news for Anthony; good news for me!! I'll get to watch him in WB!!
Quote from: rediceQuote from: ugarteQuote from: rediceTrevor Yates was recently released by the Detroit Red Wingx
And reported to the Grand Rapids Griffins in the AHL. I thought you were saying he was a free agent.
Angello was sent down as well (to Wilkes-Barre).
I only quoted my local newspaper's transaction listing.
Bad news for Anthony; good news for me!! I'll get to watch him in WB!!
And I'll get to cheer against him in Allentown!
Let's go Phantoms!
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: rediceQuote from: ugarteQuote from: rediceTrevor Yates was recently released by the Detroit Red Wingx
And reported to the Grand Rapids Griffins in the AHL. I thought you were saying he was a free agent.
Angello was sent down as well (to Wilkes-Barre).
I only quoted my local newspaper's transaction listing.
Bad news for Anthony; good news for me!! I'll get to watch him in WB!!
And I'll get to cheer against him in Allentown!
Let's go Phantoms!
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Quote from: BeeeejDoesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
From today's D&C: Hilton's Paolini dominates in net (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=00ac8e6a2_134f8ee)
Sam Paolini was from Rochester and Hilton's just a bit west, so I was wondering if goalie Barrett Paolini was related and came across this post. Beeeej, what was this all about? Sam won the hockey Humanitarian Award!
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Quote from: George64Quote from: BeeeejDoesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
From today's D&C: Hilton's Paolini dominates in net (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=00ac8e6a2_134f8ee)
Sam Paolini was from Rochester and Hilton's just a bit west, so I was wondering if goalie Barrett Paolini was related and came across this post. Beeeej, what was this all about? Sam won the hockey Humanitarian Award!
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Barrett Paolini has a record of 150-0!!! WoW, this kid is a winner!!
Quote from: George64Quote from: BeeeejDoesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
From today's D&C: Hilton's Paolini dominates in net (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=00ac8e6a2_134f8ee)
Sam Paolini was from Rochester and Hilton's just a bit west, so I was wondering if goalie Barrett Paolini was related and came across this post. Beeeej, what was this all about? Sam won the hockey Humanitarian Award!
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No idea if there's a connection between Sam and Barrett. Google Sam's name along with FINRA, and you'll learn what the above-linked page used to say.
Quote from: George64Quote from: BeeeejDoesn't quite fit the thread thematically, but there really isn't another thread that's more appropriate, so... an unfortunate update on Sam Paolini:
https://www.lufranolaw.com/single-post/2017/12/21/Former-Horner-Townsend-Broker-Sam-Paolini-Barred-for-Conversion-of-Customer-Funds
From today's D&C: Hilton's Paolini dominates in net (https://rochesterdemocrat-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=00ac8e6a2_134f8ee)
Sam Paolini was from Rochester and Hilton's just a bit west, so I was wondering if goalie Barrett Paolini was related and came across this post. Beeeej, what was this all about? Sam won the hockey Humanitarian Award!
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Says he's committed to play golf at Mercyhurst.