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Quote from: Interim coach Peter MillmanJohn [Piatelli] is an excellent feeding attackman with an extremely high lacrosse IQ. We expect him to compete for immedia1te playing time because of his ability to dodge and feed from behind the goal. We think he has the potential to be a special player for us by the time his career is over.

Quote from: USA Today 2017 HS Lacrosse first team All-AmericasPiatelli emerged as one of the nation's elite scholastic attackmen this season, helping St. Sebastian's to a Super 25 appearance and earning Independent School League player of the year honors. He helped the Arrows to an 18-3 record, with only one loss in the ISL.

Quote from: USA TodayLicciardi was a sparkplug for the Seahawks this season as a dynamic midfielder who could win face-offs, initiate offense and create transition by way of smart defense on the backend. He helped fuel Cold Spring Harbor's third New York State title with 24 goals and a Nassau County-best 65 assists

Quote from: billhowardBen DeLuca has the fire and skill to make it happen at Delaware. Maybe he'll listen to the winds of change. When a school administration says no hazing/no drinking/this is not team-building, they may mean it. Dangerous to call their bluff when the U holds the cards.

For Cornell, maybe there's a second Bill Tierney coming out of Cortland. Maybe there's a Cornellian with enough experience.

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Quote from: billhowardBen DeLuca has the fire and skill to make it happen at Delaware. Maybe he'll listen to the winds of change. When a school administration says no hazing/no drinking/this is not team-building, they may mean it. Dangerous to call their bluff when the U holds the cards.
For Cornell, maybe there's a second Bill Tierney coming out of Cortland. Maybe there's a Cornellian with enough experience.

Don't you think we should give Milliman a chance?

Quote from: TimVWe coulda used his older brother.  He's the face-off machine at UAlbany.

Quote from: billhowardChayse Ierlan '22 of Victor NY coming to Cornell fall 2018 as a lacrosse goalie, also a standout in hockey. Already has 3 state titles between the 2 sports heading into senior year. http://www.rochesterfirst.com/sports/high-school-sports/victors-chayse-ierlan-stops-it-all/883957966

Quote from: KenPWill there be enough people and conversation threads to warrant a separate lax forum?  Who / how would that happen?

Quote from: TimVWe're Wayyyy underestimated.
Good.::uptosomething::

Quote from: George64For those of you in western NY --

Cornell Men's Lacrosse Coach Pete Milliman announces two scrimmages, one against RIT at 1:30 pm and a second against LeMoyne College at 2:45 pm. Both teams are ranked in the top 5 nationally in their respective divisions (2 and 3).

These scrimmages are free and open to the public. They will take place at Pinnacle Athletic Campus, 7600 Pinnacle Road, Victor, NY, an indoor facility.

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Quote from: George64For those of you in western NY --

Cornell Men's Lacrosse Coach Pete Milliman announces two scrimmages, one against RIT at 1:30 pm and a second against LeMoyne College at 2:45 pm. Both teams are ranked in the top 5 nationally in their respective divisions (2 and 3).

These scrimmages are free and open to the public. They will take place at Pinnacle Athletic Campus, 7600 Pinnacle Road, Victor, NY, an indoor facility.

Quote from: mountainredThere are a couple of longer discussions about the scrimmage now posted to laxpower; they are worthy of reading.  My favorite comment:  "I haven't seen a CU team combine speed of play and an almost complete absence of unforced turnovers at this stage of the season in at least a decade."  Very encouraging.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioColgate game tomorrow is on the Patriot League Network, and can be watched using the Stadium app on Roku.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioColgate game tomorrow is on the Patriot League Network, and can be watched using the Stadium app on Roku.

Quote from: dag14Lost most of the faceoffs early but have started doing better.  However, too many unforced errors.

Quote from: scoop85Our D could not compensate for the FO disparity as we did not cause too many turnovers.  I really thought the FO unit would be more competitive. We didn't lose many cleanly, which puts the onus on the wing guys, and we were just outworked and outhustled.

Quote from: upprdeckhow far has lax fallen that a win gets no discussion at all?

Quote from: mountainredThere is a lot of a young talent on this team.  Donville, Licciardi, Bardwell, Doria, Piatelli, and Tria are a great group of freshman.  If there is a keeper below Knight, the lax team is building for a nice run in a year or two.

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Quote from: mountainredThere is a lot of a young talent on this team.  Donville, Licciardi, Bardwell, Doria, Piatelli, and Tria are a great group of freshman.  If there is a keeper below Knight, the lax team is building for a nice run in a year or two.

Agreed, terrific Freshman class shaping up, and of course Teat is just a sophomore. The goalies presently on the roster who may be next in line are Parker Henderer and Caelan Buhlen.  But the next guy up may well be recruit Chase Ierlan, who's a terrific goalie at powerhouse Victor HS, and is the brother of Albany face off stud T.D. Ierlan who we'll need to contend with next Saturday.

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Quote from: mountainredThere is a lot of a young talent on this team.  Donville, Licciardi, Bardwell, Doria, Piatelli, and Tria are a great group of freshman.  If there is a keeper below Knight, the lax team is building for a nice run in a year or two.

Agreed, terrific Freshman class shaping up, and of course Teat is just a sophomore. The goalies presently on the roster who may be next in line are Parker Henderer and Caelan Buhlen.  But the next guy up may well be recruit Chase Ierlan, who's a terrific goalie at powerhouse Victor HS, and is the brother of Albany face off stud T.D. Ierlan who we'll need to contend with next Saturday.

Interesting first name for Ierlen, who spells it Chayse, not Chase.

Quote from: IcebergThe game here in Albany has been pushed back to Sunday at 1 PM because of today's snowstorm in the region.

Quote from: IcebergThe game here in Albany has been pushed back to Sunday at 1 PM because of today's snowstorm in the region.

Quote from: billhoward6-6 midway through the third. That's a moral victory. But we need a regular victory.

Actually 7-6 Albany. Cornell let a long-stick defender saunter in on goal.

Quote from: IcebergLots of folks around me were complaining about officiating, and not necessarily Cornell fans either.

Quote from: dag14Cornell was faceguarding Nanticoke [who had something like 10 pts against Syracuse] and Albany was shadowing Teat.  With a defenseman glued to you during the entire game, it is hard to be part of the offense.  I think Cornell adjusted to this better than Albany and that is one reason their offense looked so bad until the 4th quarter.  Credit to our defense and especially Knight for slowing down a very potent offense.

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Quote from: dag14Cornell was faceguarding Nanticoke [who had something like 10 pts against Syracuse] and Albany was shadowing Teat.  With a defenseman glued to you during the entire game, it is hard to be part of the offense.  I think Cornell adjusted to this better than Albany and that is one reason their offense looked so bad until the 4th quarter.  Credit to our defense and especially Knight for slowing down a very potent offense.

Interesting that when Harvard would shut off Pannell, he would stand in a corner near the end line with his defender to allow open five-on-five play in the goal area.  Teat seemed to stand with his defender in front of the crease.  To screen? To try to force his defender to slide to a dodger?   Could Teat (or Pannell back in the day) have taken the ball on restarts at the end line in order to get it in his stick?

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Quote from: dag14Cornell was faceguarding Nanticoke [who had something like 10 pts against Syracuse] and Albany was shadowing Teat.  With a defenseman glued to you during the entire game, it is hard to be part of the offense.  I think Cornell adjusted to this better than Albany and that is one reason their offense looked so bad until the 4th quarter.  Credit to our defense and especially Knight for slowing down a very potent offense.

Interesting that when Harvard would shut off Pannell, he would stand in a corner near the end line with his defender to allow open five-on-five play in the goal area.  Teat seemed to stand with his defender in front of the crease.  To screen? To try to force his defender to slide to a dodger?   Could Teat (or Pannell back in the day) have taken the ball on restarts at the end line in order to get it in his stick?

Not living close to Cornell, and with either the team not playing near me or me being unable to attend games near me, I haven't seen Teat play except on the tube. So take this for what it's worth.

From reading about Teat, he seems to be a very different player from Pannell. Pannell was very strong and could beat his man 1:1 almost at will. Teat, from what I understand, is a magician with his stick and can pass the ball through the eye of a needle.

If this assessment is right, maybe right now giving the ball to Teat on restarts might not be that effective. If he can beat an entire defense from GLE, the way Max S. did against Syracuse, then I'm wrong.

Quote from: rss772 things I would like rules makers to tweak:.

1.  The faceoff-Would like to see it more of a scramble.  As others have suggested setting the faceoff guys farther apart. Too much of possession rests on one player.

2. The timeout-In no other sport are timeouts used like they are in lacrosse.  That sideline scramble where Albany called timeout-I did not see clear possession.  Let the players play.

Quote from: djk26I like lacrosse, I just don't understand it.  How does Cornell go from losing all 24 faceoffs (or winning only 1...sources differ) in one game to winning 12/24 in the next game?  I know that Albany is a lot better than Binghamton, but that's just so dramatic.  And how does Cornell stay competitive in a game where they lose every faceoff?

Quote from: djk26I like lacrosse, I just don't understand it.  How does Cornell go from losing all 24 faceoffs (or winning only 1...sources differ) in one game to winning 12/24 in the next game?  I know that Albany is a lot better than Binghamton, but that's just so dramatic.  And how does Cornell stay competitive in a game where they lose every faceoff?

Quote from: TrotskyThat's a great write up, thank you.

Is there a movement in lax to have possession arrows?

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Quote from: TrotskyThat's a great write up, thank you.

Is there a movement in lax to have possession arrows?

It was tried, and abandoned, to work it like basketball where the scored-upon team would be given the ball after a goal.  Maybe TimV (or anyone else) can tell us why that approach failed.

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Quote from: TrotskyThat's a great write up, thank you.

Is there a movement in lax to have possession arrows?

It was tried, and abandoned, to work it like basketball where the scored-upon team would be given the ball after a goal.  Maybe TimV (or anyone else) can tell us why that approach failed.

The biggest issue is that if you are going to eliminate the face off, you have to have an always on shot clock IMO. When they eliminated face offs in 1979, it failed because there was no shot clock less talented teams could do the old Dean Smith style four corners and just play keep away.

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Quote from: TrotskyThat's a great write up, thank you.

Is there a movement in lax to have possession arrows?

It was tried, and abandoned, to work it like basketball where the scored-upon team would be given the ball after a goal.  Maybe TimV (or anyone else) can tell us why that approach failed.

The biggest issue is that if you are going to eliminate the face off, you have to have an always on shot clock IMO. When they eliminated face offs in 1979, it failed because there was no shot clock less talented teams could do the old Dean Smith style four corners and just play keep away.

Quote from: upprdeckjust change the rule to no subs until possession change or ball goes out of bounds..  they should implement a shot clock period.. 1-2min from gaining possession regardless of shots taken.  shoot and keep is still fine but only until that 1-2 min is up..

Quote from: TimVI'd like to see a variant derived from the old XFL.  Instead of an opening kickoff they had one player from each side run to get posession of a ball placed at the midfield line.  So, after a goal, restart with EVERYONE behind the restraining lines and the ball at the midfield dot.  Blow the whistle and let 'em go get it.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio7-7 4:31 to go

8-7 CU 2:02 left; another Teat assist

9-7 0:25 left

6 fourth period goals

Quote from: billhowardYes, Cornell won the majority of FOs second half.

Maybe we can find a Placid bar that lets us jack into a TV on the wall. Somebody bring a long HDMI cable with their laptop. Or a Roku stick (and the remote), would be even simpler. I think Wiseguys would be the easiest to convince. It's so big, giving up one TV is no loss. It's 5 minutes from the rink.

Quote from: billhowardCan't think of any other sport's change-of-possession / after score protocol where one side with a dominant player can gather possession 90% of the time. Jabbar, Chamberlain got, what, 60%, 70% of tips. The most dominant center, probably the same. And those in sports where possession is fleeting.

Quote from: billhowardHis wife, Lisa (?), has Penn State ties and like an endowed professorship here, PSU made a husband/wife package deal, IIRC.

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Quote from: billhowardHis wife, Lisa (?), has Penn State ties and like an endowed professorship here, PSU made a husband/wife package deal, IIRC.

While Michelle Tambroni is a PSU alum, she has no official position there, either now or at the time Jeff took the job in 2010.

Quote from: billhowardYou have good memories of Tambroni at Cornell. We do, too, including the fond memory of blowing out Virginia in the 2009 semifinal and then leading Syracuse for fifty-nine plus minutes of the title game. From there, it's a blank.

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Quote from: billhowardHis wife, Lisa (?), has Penn State ties and like an endowed professorship here, PSU made a husband/wife package deal, IIRC.

While Michelle Tambroni is a PSU alum, she has no official position there, either now or at the time Jeff took the job in 2010.

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Quote from: billhowardYou have good memories of Tambroni at Cornell. We do, too, including the fond memory of blowing out Virginia in the 2009 semifinal and then leading Syracuse for fifty-nine plus minutes of the title game. From there, it's a blank.

So at the game were Cornell fans chanting "2009" to taunt Tambroni? Oh, the pain! ::smashfreak::

Quote from: rss77The Cornell job pays reasonably well.  I think they wanted a change of venue...

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Quote from: billhowardYou have good memories of Tambroni at Cornell. We do, too, including the fond memory of blowing out Virginia in the 2009 semifinal and then leading Syracuse for fifty-nine plus minutes of the title game. From there, it's a blank.

So at the game were Cornell fans chanting "2009" to taunt Tambroni? Oh, the pain! ::smashfreak::

Um.  Haven't we kinda sucked since he left?

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Quote from: billhowardYou have good memories of Tambroni at Cornell. We do, too, including the fond memory of blowing out Virginia in the 2009 semifinal and then leading Syracuse for fifty-nine plus minutes of the title game. From there, it's a blank.

So at the game were Cornell fans chanting "2009" to taunt Tambroni? Oh, the pain! ::smashfreak::

Um.  Haven't we kinda sucked since he left?

Well, not exactly. He left after the 2009 season, and we finished #1 in the Ivies every year until 2014, except for 2012, when we finished 2nd. Nationally we were ranked #1 according to Laxpower's Power Rating in 2010, 2011, and 2013. AN fired Ben DeLuca in the fall of 2013. Cornell had a successful year with his players the following spring. But the wheels started to come off after that.

I should have mentioned being comfortably up on another team and blowing it in the last quarter. IIRC, Tambroni did take some heat (among fans) for poor game management towards the end of the 2009 game.

QuoteWell, not exactly. He left after the 2009 season, and we finished #1 in the Ivies every year until 2014, except for 2012, when we finished 2nd. Nationally we were ranked #1 according to Laxpower's Power Rating in 2010, 2011, and 2013. AN fired Ben DeLuca in the fall of 2013. Cornell had a successful year with his players the following spring. But the wheels started to come off after that.

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QuoteWell, not exactly. He left after the 2009 season, and we finished #1 in the Ivies every year until 2014, except for 2012, when we finished 2nd. Nationally we were ranked #1 according to Laxpower's Power Rating in 2010, 2011, and 2013. AN fired Ben DeLuca in the fall of 2013. Cornell had a successful year with his players the following spring. But the wheels started to come off after that.

The team made the NCAAs in 2014 and 2015 (seeded eighth the latter year) after heavy 2013 graduation losses (Pannell, Mock, Van Bourgondien, Noble, Keith, Bronzino, et al), losing in the first round.  Three years of recruiting weak in offensive talent (see this year's and last year's senior classes) resulted in sub-par 2016 and 2017 seasons.  Now, with three strong recruiting classes on the offensive side (Teat, Pettersen, Piatelli, Fletcher, McCulloch, J. Donville, Duggan, Licciardi) we will, I hope, see a resurgence.  [Quint has Cornell #14 this week.]

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QuoteWell, not exactly. He left after the 2009 season, and we finished #1 in the Ivies every year until 2014, except for 2012, when we finished 2nd. Nationally we were ranked #1 according to Laxpower's Power Rating in 2010, 2011, and 2013. AN fired Ben DeLuca in the fall of 2013. Cornell had a successful year with his players the following spring. But the wheels started to come off after that.

The team made the NCAAs in 2014 and 2015 (seeded eighth the latter year) after heavy 2013 graduation losses (Pannell, Mock, Van Bourgondien, Noble, Keith, Bronzino, et al), losing in the first round.  Three years of recruiting weak in offensive talent (see this year's and last year's senior classes) resulted in sub-par 2016 and 2017 seasons.  Now, with three strong recruiting classes on the offensive side (Teat, Pettersen, Piatelli, Fletcher, McCulloch, J. Donville, Duggan, Licciardi) we will, I hope, see a resurgence.  [Quint has Cornell #14 this week.]

Quint! OMG! Even Hell can have climate change.

Quote from: rss77The Cornell job pays reasonably well...

Quote from: rss77...lacrosse has a long history at Penn State-hardly a newish program. There is something to be said for tradition...

Quote from: rss77Tambroni has not done badly but has not achieved down there what he did at Cornell...and competing against Maryland and Hopkins is like pushing a big rock up a hill.

Quote from: TimVCorrect.  Even with those 12.5 scholarships, new facilities, and all that "We Are.."  BS it's gonna be a long time, if ever, that he rivals JHU and UM.  And he had to know it.  That's another reason why I think it was the money.

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Quote from: TimVCorrect.  Even with those 12.5 scholarships, new facilities, and all that "We Are.."  BS it's gonna be a long time, if ever, that he rivals JHU and UM.  And he had to know it.  That's another reason why I think it was the money.

Underscores what an amazing job Bill Tierney has done out in Denver.

Quote from: mike1960Underscores what an amazing job Bill Tierney has done out in Denver.

Quote from: TimVNot the same.  Although he plays a tough schedule, he's in a much less competitive conference.  He's a proven recruiter without a lot of admission constraints and a Hall-of-Fame caliber coach for sure.

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Quote from: TimVNot the same.  Although he plays a tough schedule, he's in a much less competitive conference.  He's a proven recruiter without a lot of admission constraints and a Hall-of-Fame caliber coach for sure.

When you win the national title, you've essentially beaten every conference in the entire nation.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioCornell's zone D is giving up easy goals.

Quote from: mike1960Because of the hockey game, I can't get an online radio stream of the game. It sounds like a great win for Cornell. Coach Milliman has really done a great job this far. Question: I see from the stats that Caelahn Bullen played goalie in the second half and Penn scored far fewer than the first half. Was it because he was that much better than Knight today, or did the defense pick it up? Or both? Thanks.

Quote from: upprdeckWe are the only team to give Albany a game.

Quote from: mike1960The team sent an Instagram pic of them practicing at daybreak on Schoellkopf when it was 9 degrees. That's dedication and it is paying off big time.

Quote from: billhowardTop 15 this week? Higher? We have a convincing win over 15-Penn to go with the close losses to 1-Albany and 8-Yale. And nothing self-inflicted such as a loss to Hobart or Binghamton. Quint Kessenich had Cornell 11 last week; he's the one person who apparently doesn't believe a team should only move 1-2-3 positions vs. the previous week.

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Quote from: billhowardTop 15 this week? Higher? We have a convincing win over 15-Penn to go with the close losses to 1-Albany and 8-Yale. And nothing self-inflicted such as a loss to Hobart or Binghamton. Quint Kessenich had Cornell 11 last week; he's the one person who apparently doesn't believe a team should only move 1-2-3 positions vs. the previous week.

Quint has Cornell at #8.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-defense-sold-separately/51735

Quote from: Quint Kessenich on Harvard (his #19)The Crimson beat Boston U, 19-18, in overtime on Tuesday [heh! another sport where Harvard can be embarrassed by in-town rival] ... The entire Ivy League had a strong mid-week showing, as Brown, Harvard and Penn won. Harvard took care of Dartmouth on Saturday, 10-8, running its win streak to six straight. The Crimson play Albany on Wednesday. Four of their last five regular-season games are on the road, at Albany, Cornell [4/7], Penn and Yale. Yikes. Say bye-bye.

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Quote from: billhowardTop 15 this week? Higher? We have a convincing win over 15-Penn to go with the close losses to 1-Albany and 8-Yale. And nothing self-inflicted such as a loss to Hobart or Binghamton. Quint Kessenich had Cornell 11 last week; he's the one person who apparently doesn't believe a team should only move 1-2-3 positions vs. the previous week.

Quint has Cornell at #8.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-defense-sold-separately/51735

Inside Lacrosse media poll vaults Cornell from also getting votes to #13. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/maverik-division-i-media-poll-four-new-teams-in-top-20/51737
Yale jumped 6 to 4. Penn fell out of the top 20. Harvard moves in to 19.

Quote from: Quint Kessenich on Harvard (his #19)The Crimson beat Boston U, 19-18, in overtime on Tuesday [heh! another sport where Harvard can be embarrassed by in-town rival] ... The entire Ivy League had a strong mid-week showing, as Brown, Harvard and Penn won. Harvard took care of Dartmouth on Saturday, 10-8, running its win streak to six straight. The Crimson play Albany on Wednesday. Four of their last five regular-season games are on the road, at Albany, Cornell [4/7], Penn and Yale. Yikes. Say bye-bye.

Quote from: billhowardThose headsocks: It looked as if they just took over a cruise ship or airplane. Also makes you wonder if anyone ever gets sideswiped, forgetting for a moment to look around.

Quote from: mike1960What's the story on Kason Tarbell? I haven't heard his name called in a game in quite a while. Thanks.

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Quote from: mike1960What's the story on Kason Tarbell? I haven't heard his name called in a game in quite a while. Thanks.

He's injured, but my understanding is that he'll be back this season

Quote from: Cornell Big Red.com• The Big Red has scored 20+ goals in two consecutive games (Penn – 20; Air Force – 23) for the first time since the 1976 team scored 26 goals vs. Dartmouth and followed that up with 24 goals vs. No. 19 Syracuse.

Quote from: SwampyNow 9-1 in the 2nd Q. This is getting ugly. Issue about reaching 20 is not if we can get 20, but rather if we will get 20. If Milliman goes into the next half up by 10+, substitutions will probably start very soon after.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Now leading 21-8,  Three-in-a-row!

Quote from: billhoward@ #1 Albany 14, Harvard 6
@ #4 Yale 12, #20 Penn 6
#14 Cornell 22, @ Dartmouth 11
@ Brown 14, Princeton 13 (winning goal with :14 to play)

The pre-season media poll was Yale, Princeton, Penn, Brown, Cornell, Harvard, Dartmouth.  Princeton is now 0-3 (to Yale, Penn, Brown) in league play. It's starting to look good for Cornell to slot in as the 2-3 team going into the Ivy playoffs. Yale is 3-0 with the 13-11 win over Cornell then doubling Princeton 16-8 and Penn 12-6.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '8222-11 final.

Quote from: CornellBigRed.comThe Big Red's offense was clicking on all cylinders, as the visitors [Cornell] scored its 22 goals on just 27 shots on goal and assisted on 17-of-22 goals. ...
Dartmouth's goalie Alex Burnley made just five saves to post the lowest save percentage (.185) of any Big Red opponent this season.

Quote from: upprdeckWell both teams were playing with backups.

does lax have club teams or intramural teams so they could have at least found a 2nd goalie if something else happened?

Quote from: Quint Kessenich, Inside Lacrosse8. Cornell — Jeff Teat led Cornell to a 23-7 win over Air Force on Tuesday. Clarke Petterson (3, 2) and Colton Rupp (3, 1) were productive.

The Big Red scored another 22 goals in a Saturday shellacking of Ivy doormat Dartmouth. It was step-down city for midfielders Connor Fletcher and Jordan Dowiak, as Jeff Teat drew all sorts of attention. Teat dished out eight assists [over 2 games, plus 3G vs. Air Force] and has ascended into the Tewaraaton discussion.

The Big Red have scored 20 or more goals in three-straight games. They tackle Harvard next.

I love how the Big Red players line up and salute their fans after a game and that George Bioardi's [Boiardi] legacy has become the fabric of the program.

Quote from: upprdeckSyracuse is hard to read.. Watched them play some tough teams well and then also got blown out multiple times.

Quote from: billhowardhttp://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls  Cornell climbs from 13th to 10th in the April 2 media poll. Albany remains #1 with all first-place votes. Yale climbs from 4 to 3, Syracuse from 10 to 8, Penn State climbs from 21 to 15, Lehigh holds at 17 and Harvard holds at 19.

Unbeaten Albany has played only two close games: 11-10 over Maryland, 11-9 over Cornell, and the next closest game was a 6-goal MOV. It plays at Yale April 22.

Kessenich has Cornell 8th.

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Bill, looks like while IL hasn't updated the USILA Coaches poll in several weeks, Cornell moved up a notch from 14 to 13 (via NCAA.com site) https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/usila-coaches

Quote from: billhowardLove to see Cornell extend the school record three straight 20-goal games to four when Harvard comes to Schoellkopf Saturday.

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Quote from: billhowardLove to see Cornell extend the school record three straight 20-goal games to four when Harvard comes to Schoellkopf Saturday.

This is interesting when looking back on the Tambroni era where it seemed like crossing the 20-goal barrier was a no-no. Once the team reached 19 in blowouts, the dogs were really called off and running out the clock was the activity. Whether it was for sportsmanship reasons or whatever, I think it's just fine the team is allowed to run scoring plays up in that range now.

Quote from: djk26Quint said it was "step down city" against Dartmouth.  What are "step downs" in lacrosse?  It has something to do with "sliding"?  (another term I do not fully understand)

Quote from: djk26Quint said it was "step down city" against Dartmouth.  What are "step downs" in lacrosse?  It has something to do with "sliding"?  (another term I do not fully understand)

Quote from: djk26Quint said it was "step down city" against Dartmouth.  What are "step downs" in lacrosse?  It has something to do with "sliding"?  (another term I do not fully understand)

Quote from: djk26Thank you.  "up top" is away from the cage, and "down low" is near the cage?

Quote from: Al DeFlorioA very premature bracketology slots Cornell at an 8-seed:

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/bracketology-first-edition-albanys-case-for-the-no-1-overall-seed

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Quote from: djk26Quint said it was "step down city" against Dartmouth.  What are "step downs" in lacrosse?  It has something to do with "sliding"?  (another term I do not fully understand)

From what I can tell it means taking a step (or 2) towards the target as you shoot the ball.  It means you have plenty of time to get set up, and face the target, as well as get more heat on the shot.  It's as opposed to moving side to side to get around a defender to take your shot.

Quote from: upprdeckthis team wont know what to do if we ever see decent weather..  35 this weekend.

the SU game is at night high of 40 with rain/snow for a night game,  gonna be a tough one to sit thru

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Quote from: djk26Quint said it was "step down city" against Dartmouth.  What are "step downs" in lacrosse?  It has something to do with "sliding"?  (another term I do not fully understand)

From what I can tell it means taking a step (or 2) towards the target as you shoot the ball.  It means you have plenty of time to get set up, and face the target, as well as get more heat on the shot.  It's as opposed to moving side to side to get around a defender to take your shot.

Step-down shots from midfield is the lacrosse analogue to a slap shot. While players closer to the goal might also step down, their focus will be more on beating the goalie by deception or aiming at a place that's hard to block.

Quote from: upprdeckYale loses to Bucknell in OT 9-8

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Quote from: djk26Quint said it was "step down city" against Dartmouth.  What are "step downs" in lacrosse?  It has something to do with "sliding"?  (another term I do not fully understand)

From what I can tell it means taking a step (or 2) towards the target as you shoot the ball.  It means you have plenty of time to get set up, and face the target, as well as get more heat on the shot.  It's as opposed to moving side to side to get around a defender to take your shot.

Step-down shots from midfield is the lacrosse analogue to a slap shot. While players closer to the goal might also step down, their focus will be more on beating the goalie by deception or aiming at a place that's hard to block.

I thought a step down shot was a catch & shoot all in one motion, usually from the middies. I'd be really interested is seeing the drills that Cornell uses to practice their step-downs.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioHockey has "the system."  Does lacrosse now have a "methodology?"

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/the-surprising-methodology-behind-this-big-red-barrage

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioHockey has "the system."  Does lacrosse now have a "methodology?"

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/the-surprising-methodology-behind-this-big-red-barrage

Quo vadis "the process"?

Quote from: billhowardWebcast on ILDN: Anyone else getting muddy audio as if Schoellkopf is under water?

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '8215-11 good guys.  Final.

Quote from: billhowardCornell 8-6 at the half. Harvard goes up 1-0 off the opening faceoff but Cornell clicks on offense, builds up a 4-1 lead. Harvard ties the game twice, gets three goals off Cornell penalties. Jeff Teat is awesome, has seven points (3G, 4A) on Cornell's 8 goals. Christian Knight back in goal for Cornell. Announcers say he seems to be not as sharp as they've seen him before his injury layoff. After those three 20-goal games, having only 8 at the half seems like Cornell is loafing.

Third period, only 3 goals, all Cornell. Teat is playing a lot in front of the net, at 9 points - 3G, 6A. Cornell is winning a lot of ground balls and scrums. Harvard's stud, Morgan Cheek has that opening faceoff goal plus 2 assists. He had 13 points against BU.

Fourth period. Teat cuts in front, takes pass, gets his 10th point about 2 minutes in. Sloppy final minutes, Cornell gets a couple empty net goals. Knight gets dinged midway through the period, Bullen comes in in final 2 or 3 minutes, gives up the last goal only. Teat finishes with 12 points - 4G, 8A (Cornell record is 14 points) Cornell wins 19 of 30 faceoffs. Cornell goes 0x2 on extra man, Harvard 5x7. Can't take that kind of penalties against Syracuse.

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Harvard  2  4  0  5  -- 11
Cornell  4  4  3  4  -- 15

Teat       4-8--12
Petterson  2-2-- 4
Donville   3-0-- 3

Syracuse at Cornell Tuesday. (Syracuse dnp today, beat Hobart 11-4 Tuesday)
Cornell at Lehigh next Saturday (Loyala 16, Lehigh 10 today)

Quote from: ugartethanks for the recap, bill

Quote from: CornellBigRed.comThe Big Red has now won three straight games when ranked No. 13 in the USILA Coaches Poll, improving to 20-8 all-time when holding the 13th spot in the poll. http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/4/7/mens-lacrosse-mens-lax-tops-ivy-unbeaten-crimson-behind-teats-12-points.aspx

Quote from: billhowardUMBC, slayer of Virginia in hoops, takes down #1 Albany in lax, 11-7 at home 4/7. That could've been us if we'd just held on. Inside Lacrosse headlined it, "UMBC Lacrosse's Shining Moment: Retrievers Stun No. 1 Albany."

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Quote from: billhowardUMBC, slayer of Virginia in hoops, takes down #1 Albany in lax, 11-7 at home 4/7. That could've been us if we'd just held on. Inside Lacrosse headlined it, "UMBC Lacrosse's Shining Moment: Retrievers Stun No. 1 Albany."

So what you're saying is that we could have beaten Albany if only we had won the game?  Interesting theory.

Quote from: billhowardCornell climbs from 10 to 9 in the media poll, Syracuse from 8 to 7 http://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

Also:
Maryland replaces now-beaten Albany at 1.
Yale (lost in OT to Bucknell midweek) falls 3 to 6.
Lehigh (hosts Cornell Saturday) falls 17 to 18.
Harvard, Brown, Penn also receive votes.

Quote from: ugarte13-8 win. I tuned in at 10-4 and got a little frustrated but they pulled it together. Must have gone well at the X early but it looked tough late.

Quote from: upprdeckBullen played the whole 2nd half against Harvard didnt he? and much of the 2 games before that. they had lots of scouting on him.

Quote from: dbilmesAccording to this article (http://www.syracuse.com/orangelacrosse/index.ssf/2018/04/syracuse_lacrosse_cornell_goalie_left_handed_attack.html#incart_m-rpt-1) in the Syracuse paper, Syracuse lost the game because they were expecting Christian Knight to play goal for Cornell, and had trouble adapting to Bullen being in goal instead, because Bullen is left-handed while Knight is right-handed. This makes me wonder whether Syracuse's coaching staff had been paying attention to Cornell's recent results, since Bullen replaced Knight for the final two minutes of Cornell's game against Harvard on Saturday after Knight left the game with an apparent injury.

Quote from: jeff '84http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/lax-film-room-why-cornell-s-offense-is-deadlier-than-you-think/51904

Lax Film Room: Why Cornell's Offense is Deadlier Than You Think (Inside Lacrosse)

To lead the country in adjusted offensive efficiency and shooting efficiency, as Cornell has done so far this season, takes more than one or two great players at attack. What makes the Cornell offense so lethal is the pairing of those Canadian attackmen with some big, fast American midfielders who crank it from the outside and can come downhill to score from either alley.

Quote from: upprdeckI dont know what to think of SU, watched almost every game.  the could be top 7-8 but they also could easily be about 2-8 without a couple of late goals.

Quote from: CU77Cornell @ Lehigh is on the CBS Sports Network at 2:30 PM Saturday.

Quote from: upprdeckIf cornell could figure out the EM stuff they would be deadly.  strange for a team that passes so well and score so much to struggle when up a man.

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Quote from: upprdeckIf cornell could figure out the EM stuff they would be deadly.  strange for a team that passes so well and score so much to struggle when up a man.

Almost as if Cornell should decline the man-up opportunity. Maybe Cornell looks so-so in relation to Lehigh, which is on fire on EMO.

Quote from: JasonN95Penn St and Syracuse both win, hopefully raising the value of Cornell's wins over them as far as quality wins go. Colgate lost, making that loss worse. I thought Cornell looked a bit nonchalant at the end of the game with only a three goal lead (I recall Teat throwing the ball up with about a minute left --to me it seemed like he was acting as though the ball going back to Colgate was no big whoop.)  Maybe the stumbling to the win is some ammo for the coaches to sober up the team and not get too smitten with their own press.

Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comCornell hosts Brown State on Saturday, April 21.

Quote from: djk26Quint Kessenich (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-racing-leagues/51950) puts Cornell at #6.  According to him:

Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comCornell hosts Brown State on Saturday, April 21.

Brown State may be tough...I don't know that Cornell has ever played them before.  ::rolleyes::

Quote from: djk26Quint Kessenich (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-racing-leagues/51950) puts Cornell at #6.  According to him:

Quote from: Quint Kessenich, insidelacrosse.comCornell hosts Brown State on Saturday, April 21.

Brown State may be tough...I don't know that Cornell has ever played them before.  ::rolleyes::

Quote from: Swampyhttps://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/brown-state-honoring-a-tradition

Quote from: Lars Tiffany, former head lacrosse coach at BrownBrown State.
It's a nickname for the Brown University men's lacrosse team that traces its roots back to the late 1960s and 1970s.
"It's sort of evolved into the mindset and the attitude we play with," said Lars Tiffany, the current head coach at Brown, and a 1990 graduate of the Ivy League school. "Blue-collar, edgy, tough. When someone plays Brown, we want them to remember what it feels like to play us."

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Quote from: Lars Tiffany, former head lacrosse coach at BrownBrown State.
It's a nickname for the Brown University men's lacrosse team that traces its roots back to the late 1960s and 1970s.
"It's sort of evolved into the mindset and the attitude we play with," said Lars Tiffany, the current head coach at Brown, and a 1990 graduate of the Ivy League school. "Blue-collar, edgy, tough. When someone plays Brown, we want them to remember what it feels like to play us."

Thanks for this link, Swampy--I did not know about this. Still, Ivy League lacrosse players referring to themselves as "blue collar"?  I renew my ::rolleyes::  Also, Brown is not a state school.  And Cornell is (at least half of it.)

Quote from: SwampyI don't know if the "Brown State" nickname has anything to do with this longer history.

QuoteLacrosse player overcomes history of ailments to captain Big Red

Quote from: CU77Big game against Brown at 1 PM on Saturday: a win clinches the #2 seed in the ILT, it's Senior Day, and the storied players from the 76-77-78 "streak" teams will be honored at half-time.

And if you haven't seen this yet ...

QuoteLacrosse player overcomes history of ailments to captain Big Red

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/03/lacrosse-player-overcomes-history-ailments-captain-big-red

Vote every day!
http://www.seniorclassaward.com/vote/lacrosse_2018/

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Quote from: CU77Big game against Brown at 1 PM on Saturday: a win clinches the #2 seed in the ILT, it's Senior Day, and the storied players from the 76-77-78 "streak" teams will be honored at half-time.

And if you haven't seen this yet ...

QuoteLacrosse player overcomes history of ailments to captain Big Red

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/03/lacrosse-player-overcomes-history-ailments-captain-big-red

Vote every day!
http://www.seniorclassaward.com/vote/lacrosse_2018/

Great story. I didn't know much about it. Very inspiring.

But here's one thing the Cornell Chronicle story leaves out that I've read elsewhere. Jake was visiting Yale when he got the call from Cornell's coaches saying they wanted him. He immediately accepted and went to tell the Yale coaches he would be going to Cornell.

In a world where everyday I wake up and mutter to myself, "you can't make this stuff up," usually thinking about the latest sleazy, treasonous, and/or unbelievably stupid thing coming over the news, it's really great to have a story that falls into the believe-it-or-not category but is as inspiring as this one.

It makes me feel the least I can do is set a reminder to vote every day. With a story like this, it's hard to imagine how anyone wouldn't select Jake.

Thanks for posting this, CU77.

Quote from: TrotskyOur snots are beating their snots 13-3 in the third and I'm not sure Brown is trying.  Actually I'm not sure we're trying.

Quote from: mike1960Hard to believe North Caroline played its last game of the season today.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FYI, if you have multiple browsers, you can vote multiple times each day.

Quote from: mike1960Hard to believe North Caroline played its last game of the season today.

Quote from: mountainredAs long as an ACC school is eligible for the tournament they are on the bubble.  Who you lose to is very important in college lacrosse, far more important than actually winning games.

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Quote from: mountainredAs long as an ACC school is eligible for the tournament they are on the bubble.  Who you lose to is very important in college lacrosse, far more important than actually winning games.

That used to be true, but I think it hasn't been since the change in selection criteria in 2009.

Cornell now #8 on the selection committee's ranking:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/article/2018-04-19/college-lacrosse-rankings-yale-flies-no-4-albany-still-no-1

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FYI, if you have multiple browsers, you can vote multiple times each day.

I assume this applies to multiple devices: maximum daily votes = sum(device x browsers on device for all devices), with devices = home desktop, work desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, Fire TV, ... . ::crazy::

Quote from: mike1960Albany and Maryland lost. The three teams playing their best lacrosse now are Duke, Yale, and Cornell.

Quote from: mike1960Albany and Maryland lost. The three teams playing their best lacrosse now are Duke, Yale, and Cornell.

Quote from: mike1960Albany and Maryland lost. The three teams playing their best lacrosse now are Duke, Yale, and Cornell.

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Quote from: mike1960Albany and Maryland lost. The three teams playing their best lacrosse now are Duke, Yale, and Cornell.

I'd add Bucknell and Loyola to that list, with Navy not too shabby either.  The top of the Patriot league is impressive this year.

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Quote from: mike1960Albany and Maryland lost. The three teams playing their best lacrosse now are Duke, Yale, and Cornell.

Albany loses Connor Fields, their Rob Pannell, to a knee injury. MRI Monday. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/connor-fields-injury-looms-over-danes-but-he-remains-positive-influence-on-team/52021

Quote from: Quint Kessenich6. Cornell — The Big Red lit up Brown 19-5, blowtorching the Bears while putting 34 shots on cage. Jeff Teat had two goals and eight assists and is on my Tewaraaton short list. A 1-2 finish in the Ivy League is a ticket to the NCAA Tournament — and perhaps a home game. The Big Red keep winning and their RPI keeps dropping, now down to No. 13. How is Peter Milliman coaching status still interim? Sign this man to a real contract! He's done fabulous work.
Midfielder Jordan Dowiak was picked at No. 33 in the MLL draft by Dallas.
Princeton and Michael Sowers host the Big Red on Saturday. If you're a young attackman I suggest you watch Teat and Sowers and take notes.

Quote from: TrotskyOdds Cornell makes the final four?  10%?  Lower?

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Quote from: TrotskyOdds Cornell makes the final four?  10%?  Lower?

I'd say maybe 15%--but make no mistake we have an excellent team that can play with anyone. Hopefully we'll get a chance to play Yale in the ILT

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Quote from: TrotskyOdds Cornell makes the final four?  10%?  Lower?

I'd say maybe 15%--but make no mistake we have an excellent team that can play with anyone. Hopefully we'll get a chance to play Yale in the ILT

So it sounds like they will need a big road upset in round 2 of the NC$$, but only one.  Doable, certainly.

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Quote from: TrotskyOdds Cornell makes the final four?  10%?  Lower?

I'd say maybe 15%--but make no mistake we have an excellent team that can play with anyone. Hopefully we'll get a chance to play Yale in the ILT

So it sounds like they will need a big road upset in round 2 of the NC$$, but only one.  Doable, certainly.

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Quote from: TrotskyOdds Cornell makes the final four?  10%?  Lower?

I'd say maybe 15%--but make no mistake we have an excellent team that can play with anyone. Hopefully we'll get a chance to play Yale in the ILT

So it sounds like they will need a big road upset in round 2 of the NC$$, but only one.  Doable, certainly.

Quote from: Quint KessenichThere is no super team in 2018. Everybody has been dirtied up. The RPI is for losers, but we're stuck with it. What matters most is how a team is playing...today.

The NCAA Tournament welcomes nine automatic qualifiers and then the best remaining eight at-large selections.

• FO: We currently rank 42nd in the NCAA. True, we started out awful and had a good run after Penn State, winning between 52% (SYR) and 68% (AFA) in the middle of the season. But we won only 28% against Lehigh and 35% against Brown. And now Ras is hurt.
• We rely on some key people on both D (Pulver) and O (Teat). While I'm confident we can beat most teams even if one or both of them is injured or neutralized by a stud opponent or an opposing coach's strategy, I think they're essential to our continued success against the level of competition that's coming.
• Similarly, our O is simply the best. OTOH, our D is very good, but not lights out, esp. on man-down. (See Lehigh game).
• Most troubling for the upcoming tourney stretch, our guys were clearly running out of gas by the end of the Lehigh game. It's understandable because they'd just finished dispatching three tough opponents during one week, with little time for rest and recuperation. But this sounds a lot like ILT and NC$$ Memorial Day weekends: high pressure, great opponents, and short rest between games. Winning teams on May 6 and and May 28 will have to play a full 60 minutes (if they're lucky) and without any excuses that they played tough games only two days earlier.

Quote from: TrotskyIt's probably fair to say that nearly every champion would not have won its title if its star offensive performer went down, so I wouldn't worry so much about Teat getting hurt.  It is worrisome that a great defender might neuter that scorer if you have no other weapons on the field, but is that true of us?

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Thanks for the Daily News cover, Bill.  It never gets old!

I don't often agree with Quint on much, but I have been wondering myself:  When do they take the interim tag off of Milliman?

I was told by a Lehigh alum co-worker that Lehigh has the best FOGO in the country, so that was some of the issue in that game.  We may not run into that again, but we damn well need to improve on that front in general.  And we'd better fix our EMO defense, too. Without getting better on those, we aren't going to Foxboro, no matter if we have home field in the first round or not.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Thanks for the Daily News cover, Bill.  It never gets old!
I don't often agree with Quint on much, but I have been wondering myself:  When do they take the interim tag off of Milliman?
I was told by a Lehigh alum co-worker that Lehigh has the best FOGO in the country, so that was some of the issue in that game.  We may not run into that again, but we damn well need to improve on that front in general.  And we'd better fix our EMO defense, too. Without getting better on those, we aren't going to Foxboro, no matter if we have home field in the first round or not.

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I'm not as concerned with the EMO defense as I am with the EMO offense. Cornell EMO defense didn't look good against Lehigh, but Lehigh has one of the best EMO offenses in the country. Cornell's EMO offense, on the other hand, has not been that productive and in the games I watched does not appear to have a clear plan. Lehigh works the ball in a way that gives them a slam dunk most of the time. That's what I wish we had.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Thanks for the Daily News cover, Bill.  It never gets old!

I don't often agree with Quint on much, but I have been wondering myself:  When do they take the interim tag off of Milliman?

I was told by a Lehigh alum co-worker that Lehigh has the best FOGO in the country, so that was some of the issue in that game.  We may not run into that again, but we damn well need to improve on that front in general.  And we'd better fix our EMO defense, too. Without getting better on those, we aren't going to Foxboro, no matter if we have home field in the first round or not.

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I'm not as concerned with the EMO defense as I am with the EMO offense. Cornell EMO defense didn't look good against Lehigh, but Lehigh has one of the best EMO offenses in the country. Cornell's EMO offense, on the other hand, has not been that productive and in the games I watched does not appear to have a clear plan. Lehigh works the ball in a way that gives them a slam dunk most of the time. That's what I wish we had.

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Thanks for the Daily News cover, Bill.  It never gets old!
I don't often agree with Quint on much, but I have been wondering myself:  When do they take the interim tag off of Milliman?
I was told by a Lehigh alum co-worker that Lehigh has the best FOGO in the country, so that was some of the issue in that game.  We may not run into that again, but we damn well need to improve on that front in general.  And we'd better fix our EMO defense, too. Without getting better on those, we aren't going to Foxboro, no matter if we have home field in the first round or not.

I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I'm not as concerned with the EMO defense as I am with the EMO offense. Cornell EMO defense didn't look good against Lehigh, but Lehigh has one of the best EMO offenses in the country. Cornell's EMO offense, on the other hand, has not been that productive and in the games I watched does not appear to have a clear plan. Lehigh works the ball in a way that gives them a slam dunk most of the time. That's what I wish we had.

Lehigh scored so fast on EMO, it was almost punitive. Our even strength offense is so good, we almost (barroom talking here) should decline the penalty and play 5x5.

Quote from: upprdeckOur offense is make multiple passes create lanes and shoot.. you get little of that in 30 sec penalties. we are leading the country in scoring so does it really matter if we dont score EMO.  Its more our EMO defense that we need to worry about at times.

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Quote from: upprdeckOur offense is make multiple passes create lanes and shoot.. you get little of that in 30 sec penalties. we are leading the country in scoring so does it really matter if we dont score EMO.  Its more our EMO defense that we need to worry about at times.

It might matter. We were 1-3 in EMO against Yale, and we lost 13-11. We're going to have some seriously close games in the next few weeks.

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Quote from: upprdeckOur offense is make multiple passes create lanes and shoot.. you get little of that in 30 sec penalties. we are leading the country in scoring so does it really matter if we dont score EMO.  Its more our EMO defense that we need to worry about at times.

It might matter. We were 1-3 in EMO against Yale, and we lost 13-11. We're going to have some seriously close games in the next few weeks.

Vicious glass-half-empty cycle: The more we score on EMO, the more chances we have to lose ensuing faceoffs.

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Quote from: upprdeckOur offense is make multiple passes create lanes and shoot.. you get little of that in 30 sec penalties. we are leading the country in scoring so does it really matter if we dont score EMO.  Its more our EMO defense that we need to worry about at times.

It might matter. We were 1-3 in EMO against Yale, and we lost 13-11. We're going to have some seriously close games in the next few weeks.

Vicious glass-half-empty cycle: The more we score on EMO, the more chances we have to lose ensuing faceoffs.

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Quote from: upprdeckOur offense is make multiple passes create lanes and shoot.. you get little of that in 30 sec penalties. we are leading the country in scoring so does it really matter if we dont score EMO.  Its more our EMO defense that we need to worry about at times.

It might matter. We were 1-3 in EMO against Yale, and we lost 13-11. We're going to have some seriously close games in the next few weeks.

Vicious glass-half-empty cycle: The more we score on EMO, the more chances we have to lose ensuing faceoffs.

In the Yale game, we won 17 of 28 faceoffs. As I said, it might matter, and get exponentially matterish in close games and overtime situations.

Quote from: CornellBig.Com game storyThe game was closer than the final score indicated with the Tigers holding the slim edge in shots (38-33), ground balls (28-25) and face-offs (14-of-24).

Quote from: mountainredThe folks at lacrosse reference (https://lacrossereference.com/teams/a0013/) say Cornell has the most efficient offense in the sport but that they take their time on offense.  I'll take that over forcing a shot to make the EMO look better.  I don't feel like going back through the p-b-p's but there are probably a bunch of EMO chances that came up "empty" but the Red kept possession and scored later in the possession at even strength.  The impact -- +1 good guys -- is the same.

And on the man down defense, it really isn't a season long issue.  11 of the 16 man down goals came in three games (Dartmouth, Harvard, Lehigh).  It's not like they are giving up 3 man down goals a game.

Quote from: mountainredAnother interesting article by Lacrosse Reference (https://lacrossereference.com/2018/04/26/for-some-teams-a-possession-ages-like-fine-win-for-others-not-so-much/?utm_source=Social&utm_content=ztclaxpower) on Cornell's offense.  The upshot is that the BR are good, not great, on possessions of 30 seconds or less; elite in the 30-60 second range; and best in the nation in possessions over a minute.  This offense isn't designed to score quickly but to maximize each possession.

And while I've seen first hand how a statistical argument can go off the rails at Elynah, here's my take on the man down defense.  Yeah, 45th isn't good, but even this late in the season we're talking about a pretty small sample size.  Remove just the Harvard game (5 goals surrendered on 7 man up situations) and Cornell is flirting with the the top 20 and man down D is a "strength."  The Harvard game counts, of course, but when a single bad game makes that much of a difference, the numbers are pretty wonky.

Quote from: mountainredAnother interesting article by Lacrosse Reference (https://lacrossereference.com/2018/04/26/for-some-teams-a-possession-ages-like-fine-win-for-others-not-so-much/?utm_source=Social&utm_content=ztclaxpower) on Cornell's offense.  The upshot is that the BR are good, not great, on possessions of 30 seconds or less; elite in the 30-60 second range; and best in the nation in possessions over a minute.  This offense isn't designed to score quickly but to maximize each possession.

And while I've seen first hand how a statistical argument can go off the rails at Elynah, here's my take on the man down defense.  Yeah, 45th isn't good, but even this late in the season we're talking about a pretty small sample size.  Remove just the Harvard game (5 goals surrendered on 7 man up situations) and Cornell is flirting with the the top 20 and man down D is a "strength."  The Harvard game counts, of course, but when a single bad game makes that much of a difference, the numbers are pretty wonky.

• Whether a team tries to score quickly or not depends on the game situation. If an elite team plays several cupcakes, then it's likely to open up substantial leads, which will then lead to running time off the clock before attempting a shot and (because of the opponent's weakness) often scoring. In other words, there's a correlation between a team's schedule and the distribution of scoring efficiency by time of possession. It would therefore be helpful to break down these scoring efficiency ratings by "even strength," "close," "ahead," "behind," etc., as is done in advanced hockey metrics.
  
• A team that's able to score largely by taking over a minute to set up a high-percentage shot has a severe liability. It will be ineffective in most EMO situations, which are a minute or less, and it will be severely handicapped when it finds itself behind in a game against a comparable team.
• It follows that a good offensive coordinator needs to train for both approaches to offense. A championship team needs to train to score quickly, to take longer but set up high-percentage shots, and to run off clock without sacrificing good scoring chances.
  

Quote from: SwampyThis is a really interesting analysis, but it requires more thought. It emphasizes the standpoint of a defensive coordinator preparing to face quick-scoring vs slow-scoring teams. But here are a few thoughts I'd add to the mix.

• Whether a team tries to score quickly or not depends on the game situation. If an elite team plays several cupcakes, then it's likely to open up substantial leads, which will then lead to running time off the clock before attempting a shot and (because of the opponent's weakness) often scoring. In other words, there's a correlation between a team's schedule and the distribution of scoring efficiency by time of possession. It would therefore be helpful to break down these scoring efficiency ratings by "even strength," "close," "ahead," "behind," etc., as is done in advanced hockey metrics.
  
• A team that's able to score largely by taking over a minute to set up a high-percentage shot has a severe liability. It will be ineffective in most EMO situations, which are a minute or less, and it will be severely handicapped when it finds itself behind in a game against a comparable team.
• It follows that a good offensive coordinator needs to train for both approaches to offense. A championship team needs to train to score quickly, to take longer but set up high-percentage shots, and to run off clock without sacrificing good scoring chances.
  

Quote from: billhowardNo other Ivy team is likely to qualify as an at-large.

Quote from: KessenichAn inexplicable loss to Princeton on Saturday puts their NCAA bid in jeopardy. In my eyes, the Big Red are on the bubble and have work to do. Who is Princeton defender George Baughan? And how did he neutralize Cornell's Jeff Teat?

Their resume includes four losses: Colgate, Albany, Yale and Princeton. Wins are over Penn State, Penn, Syracuse and Lehigh. RPI of 16 is not good. The Big Red face Brown in the Ivy League semifinals on Friday night on ESPNU.

Quote from: billhowardCornell's loss to Princeton drops Cornell from 6th to 9th in the weekly media poll. Yale remains #1. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/DI/polls

Quint Kessenich drops Cornell to #11 in his personal rankings in http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-survive-and-advance/52100

Quote from: KessenichAn inexplicable loss to Princeton on Saturday puts their NCAA bid in jeopardy. In my eyes, the Big Red are on the bubble and have work to do. Who is Princeton defender George Baughan? And how did he neutralize Cornell's Jeff Teat?

Their resume includes four losses: Colgate, Albany, Yale and Princeton. Wins are over Penn State, Penn, Syracuse and Lehigh. RPI of 16 is not good. The Big Red face Brown in the Ivy League semifinals on Friday night on ESPNU.

Quote from: billhowardHow big, how fancy should this practice field be? Should we jump the other Ivies and build one with with seating for 2500 and the inflated fabric roof high enough for soccer kicks, or a lacrosse up-in-the-air heave to run out the last 3 seconds against Syracuse? Have inflatable dome fields ever won an architectural award?

Quote from: billhowardHave inflatable dome fields ever won an architectural award?

Quote from: billhowardHow big, how fancy should this practice field be? Should we jump the other Ivies and build one with with seating for 2500 and the inflated fabric roof high enough for soccer kicks, or a lacrosse up-in-the-air heave to run out the last 3 seconds against Syracuse? Have inflatable dome fields ever won an architectural award?

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Quote from: billhowardHow big, how fancy should this practice field be? Should we jump the other Ivies and build one with with seating for 2500 and the inflated fabric roof high enough for soccer kicks, or a lacrosse up-in-the-air heave to run out the last 3 seconds against Syracuse? Have inflatable dome fields ever won an architectural award?

I'll bet there is nothing in the rules barring a zero gravity field.

Quote from: billhowardHow big, how fancy should this practice field be? Should we jump the other Ivies and build one with with seating for 2500 and the inflated fabric roof high enough for soccer kicks, or a lacrosse up-in-the-air heave to run out the last 3 seconds against Syracuse? Have inflatable dome fields ever won an architectural award?

Quote from: CU2007Soccer team practices way out behind East Hill Plaza now. Why not build something way out there? Cheap land and kinda hidden if it's appearance is an issue for some.

Quote from: mike1960I HATE this strategy of having Teat off to the side and playing five on five. Teat should work and get the ball and score. He should rise the to the challenge.

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Quote from: mike1960I HATE this strategy of having Teat off to the side and playing five on five. Teat should work and get the ball and score. He should rise the to the challenge.

We just look impotent with Teat sealed off.  With a week to prepare, we look completely unprepared.

Quote from: mike1960Kevin Reisman seems to have helped Luca Tria at face off. Christian has been really good. Overall the defense has played mistake-free, aggressive defense. FINALLY, Teat gets the ball, is immediately doubled, so someone is wide open. That's a recipe for goals, esp. with Teat's passing skills.

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Quote from: mike1960Kevin Reisman seems to have helped Luca Tria at face off. Christian has been really good. Overall the defense has played mistake-free, aggressive defense. FINALLY, Teat gets the ball, is immediately doubled, so someone is wide open. That's a recipe for goals, esp. with Teat's passing skills.

But if he gets the ball only twice a half...

Quote from: billhowardBrown outshot Cornell 42-32. Christian Knight was really good in goal, 19 saves (82%). Not on the scoresheet is how many loose ball pushes were called against Cornell and how many other close calls went Brown's way including penalties against Cornell. Brown was 2x3 on EMO, Cornell 0x1.

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

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Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

Well, we didn't crush them so hard their ancestors wept, so in fairness, it was a little short of expectations.

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

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Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.

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Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.

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Quote from: mike1960

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

In my opinion, we did lose -- maybe not the game, but potentially something more important. You never tell your best player to stand on the side while your team battles without him. It's demoralizing.

Wait, what happened?

QuoteThe Red's star player sophomore attack Jeff Teat was a non-factor for much of the game, as Brown defenseman Michael Brown held the Ontario native to just three points.

"I think we did a good job just playing without [Teat]," Petterson said. "Obviously he's one of the best players in the country, so it's going to be tough to get the goals up there without being able to utilize him."

The Red responded by having Teat lead his defender away from the play, leaving the offense in a five-on-five situation for much of the first half.

"We went to five on five to create more space for us," Petterson said. "If Jeff and the person that's locking him off are standing there in the middle, it kind of clogs things up for us a bit ... [But] the principles of our offense stay the same. We stay disciplined, we try to work for the best shot."

Quote from: RichHAfter I read the nine in-game posts from May 4 in this thread, I assumed we lost.

Quote from: JasonN95Maybe the coach thought the team could win like this and wanted to guard his plans for getting Teat free until the team is playing Yale?

Quote from: CU773

If we go by straight RPI, #14 Cornell would be the last at-large team. But Bucknell has wins over #3 Yale (at Yale) and over #7 Loyola. Cornell's best win is over #10 Syracuse, and (in this scenario) they will have lost twice to Yale, at home and at a neutral field. So Bucknell could well get the nod.

Quote from: CU77Looking on the bright side: a win over Yale would not only secure the AQ, but also move Cornell all the way up to #9 in RPI, which would open up the possibility of a home game. I can see Cornell, with their wins over #6 Yale and #10 Cuse, getting the nod for a home game over #8 Denver, whose best win is over #12 Nova in this scenario.

Quote from: KenPScore updates?

Quote from: ugarteCongrats to the 2018 Ivy League Lacrosse Champions: The Big Red of Cornell University!

Quote from: ugarteCongrats to the 2018 Ivy League Lacrosse Champions: The Big Red of Cornell University!

Quote from: CU77Home game a possibility, have to see which direction the random noise added by the committee happens to point this year.

Quote from: djk26Congratulations to Yale, your 2018 Ivy League men's lacrosse tournament champions.

Quote from: upprdecki cant believe they admitted on TV they dont care about the eye test at all its all in some random numbers they use to slot teams, but they dont even use that consistently.

Quote from: SwampyI agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

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Quote from: SwampyI agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

After my initial frustration, I started thinking in these same terms—we'll have a "no respect" chip on our shoulders that should counteract the SU "revenge game" storyline.  That being said the seeding rationale is nonsense.

Quote from: SwampyI agree with everything y'all have said. But this may actually work in our favor.

For Cornell playing in Syracuse is a lot better than playing in, say, South Bend or Denver. We should be able to travel to the dome, especially if the administration arranges buses, incentives, etc. So this could match any fan advantage the 'Cuse might have. Cornell travels very well.

OTOH, this will allow Milliman to instill a chip on the team's shoulders. Desko will have his team looking for revenge on the earlier loss, and there was a danger that Cornell would be overconfident. Now, with the latest NC$$ slight, fuck that! Kick the selection committee in the teeth.

LGR!

Quote from: mike1960Robbed in the seeding. Carcaterra spelled it out: Conference tournament winner, higher RPI than Syracuse, and beat Syracuse head to head, but Syracuse gets the home game. Total nonsense.

Quote from: upprdeckno doubt it will be a better game not playing in the rain which is the forecast right now.. reality is its only a bit further if you don't live in town. Still just NCAA being dumb. I also imagine attendance is built in.. there will be a bigger crowd in the Dome.

Quote from: Terrence Foy, Inside LacrosseLoyola-Virginia Slated for Hofstra
Quint Kessenich's last projected bracket was nearly spot on, aside from three differences — 'Nova in over Rutgers/Ohio State, the play-in game participants and the Greyhound-Cavalier [Loyola-Virginia] rematch occurring as a six-seed, as opposed to a No. 8. That's surprising for this reason: if that matchup had been No. 8, the winner would've (presumably) played Maryland at the Navy Quarterfinal, which would've likely brought a huge crowd, even bigger than what the Terps are promised when they play the winner of Cornell-Syracuse (at least if you account for how much better that fanbase would've drawn at Hofstra, which the NCAA should because they keep the gate at both venues).
—T.F.

Quote from: Dan Aburn, Inside LacrosseSo Many Questions...
As excited as I am to see so many riveting match-ups, I have some many gripes with the bracket at first glance. Personally, of all the teams in the running for the last team in, Rutgers should have made it in. I know quality losses don't exist unless we label it 'RPI,' but this team beat eight-seed Syracuse, then lost twice to one-seed Maryland (once by a goal) and then lost a one-goal game to five-seed Johns Hopkins. Most times when I watched Rutgers, I saw an exciting team with potential to make a run. That's the definition of a wildcard and a team you want in the postseason. Of course, there are strong cases for Bucknell (great resume) and Ohio State (hot team) as well.

Then how is a 12-4 Ivy League champion Cornell team visiting a 8-6 Syracuse, especially when Cornell beat them by five goals in head-to-head competition?

How is Robert Morris in the play-in game? How is Hopkins the five-seed after winning the most competitive conference in lacrosse?
—DAN ABURN

Quote from: John HardtQ: How did Syracuse get the No. 8 seed and a home game in the first round over Cornell, which defeated the Orange, 13-8, on April 10?
A: That is a great question because I think a lot of folks are going to point to Cornell's head-to-head victory earlier in the season over Syracuse, and I also think that both Syracuse and Cornell had very close RPIs with maybe Cornell being a spot or two ahead of them. But as we drilled down further, Syracuse was 3-1 against common opponents while Cornell was 2-2. Syracuse was undefeated in the [Atlantic Coast Conference] regular season, which made an impact when you look at the quality and that being the No. 1 RPI conference in the country. They had quality wins over Notre Dame, Duke and Virginia. And I also think that because it was so close, we ended up looking at bad losses, and in that regard, Cornell had two losses that were bad losses considered by the committee, and that was Colgate and Princeton whereas Syracuse's worst loss of the season was to Navy with an RPI of 17. So we took that all into consideration, and we gave the slight edge to Syracuse, and that's why they were awarded the [No.] 8 seed and are hosting Cornell in the [Carrier] Dome in that first round.

Quote from: BearLoverThis whole "good wins" and "bad losses" rationale is just nonsense, right? All of that is already built in to the RPI. Why do these random humans think they are smarter at evaluating SOS than a computer system designed to do so?

Quote from: billhowardhttp://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/18 Lax media poll has Cornell 7th (+2 positions) and Syracuse, our NCAA tournament host team 11th (+1). Maryland is the new #1, and former #1 Yale is down to 4th. Albany is 2, Duke 3.

The last team in the tournament, Villanova, is seeded 13th and ranked by the 17th. The teams left out are ranked:

13. Rutgers
14. UMass
15. TOSU
16. Bucknell

Five-loss teams to make the tournament and their poll rankings:

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 8. Notre Dame 9-5
10. Virginia 12-5
11. Syracuse 8-6 <-- only 6-loss team
17. Villanova 10-5

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/usila/polls/18  USILA poll has Cornell 8, Syracuse 9. Notice the point differential:
 7. Hopkins   318
 8. Cornell   312  -06 vs 7th
 9. Syracuse  259  -53 vs 8th
10. Rutgers   241  -18 vs 9th

Quote from: ugarteSmoke-filled rooms and backfill excuses. Not a big deal though. Cornell has played well in the Dome lately and I don't think the location will matter much.

Quote from: upprdeckshocking the school actually stepping up..

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: upprdeckshocking the school actually stepping up..

It's on TV. Cornell realizes even the Ivies are judged by student amenities. RIT has a river pool like at the Hawaiian resorts, only indoors. Arizona State has student condos around a party pool; the WSJ quoted a prof saying it's the nicest housing most students will have until their 40s. Marist chartered a plane to the women's first round NCAA basketball game: ~$30 for tickets, T-shirt, and the same-day flight out and back.

Or it's just the decent thing to do. Also, nobody is driving with alcohol in them.

Quote from: djk26Were any ELFers at the league tournament games?  I read that the final had ~2600 fans.  That must have been below what the league wanted by having the games in New York.  How was the atmosphere? Was this experiment less than successful?

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Quote from: djk26Were any ELFers at the league tournament games?  I read that the final had ~2600 fans.  That must have been below what the league wanted by having the games in New York.  How was the atmosphere? Was this experiment less than successful?

I was there.

On Friday night initially I was sitting in the midst of a bunch of Yale supporters. I was quite happy with this, as I thought Yale would be a better Sunday opponent for Cornell's chance to dance. It was quite cordial and spirited. Of course Yale crushed Penn, so one would expect a celebratory mood in the area for most of the game.

Then, most of the Yale supporters left, and the area around me was filled in with Cornell supporters. So I felt quite at home. I was happy to see the Cornell band was there -- the only band I noticed from the four schools. But the acoustics sucked. I couldn't even hear them playing "Davey." The mood was joyous, partly because Cornell led most of the game and clearly better than Brown. But while Brown's tactic of face-guarding Teat and Cornell's willingness to allow it stirred up some conversation, it also made for a subdued atmosphere. With Brown trailing by only a couple of goals, there was a constant fear of disaster. Compared to Sunday's game, it was quite boring.

Sunday was a different matter. Cornell fans occupied what seemed to be about a quarter of the stadium (not filled to capacity), and I assumed Yale fans had similar occupancy at the other end of the field. With Cornell spanking Yale, the atmosphere near me was great. Lots of high-fives, organized cheers, standing ovations, etc. But I didn't see or hear any bands: I don't know if this was a matter of acoustics, with the bands at the other end of the field, or if no bands showed up for the game. There was no standing for the alma mater at halftime, so I assume it was the latter. Curious.

According to Wikipedia, the stadium's capacity is 17,000. But they only allowed seating on one side, which holds 10,500. This side has two distinct characteristics: it has a section having seats with backs and arms, and it is where the officials' table was set up. The stadium staff did not enforce tickets for the fancy seats (at least not on Sunday), so I was very happy I had sprung only for GA but was able to upgrade the seating on Sunday when I showed up with grand kids. (Ivy students got in for free, but the ticketing staff wouldn't take the eleven-year-old's statement that he gets all A's on his report card as proof he goes to Harvard. Damn!) The officials' table was at the midfield stripe and in a canopy tent, which blocked the view of the field from the stands. So most fans sat around the forty-yard lines rather than at midfield.

As for success, I'm not sure what the Ivy League's goals were, so it's hard to say. I watched the championship game on TV, and the announcers made the case that the league should continue the experiment for at least five years. Certainly some bugs can be worked out, and very little marketing was done. (How is it the Ivy League can't afford decent marketing?) I was surprised to learn there are several nascent youth lacrosse organizations in the five boroughs, and if the sport keeps on growing this youth contingent should be substantially larger. (I think they also got in free.) Unfortunately, I think geography and within-school popularity will have a strong impact on future attendance: imagine a Penn-Dartmouth final.

Quote from: underskillwell NYC does have the Ivy lax basis on Wall Street for one thing...

Quote from: BeeeejI just have a hard time understanding why they thought New York City would be a good idea when Columbia has no varsity men's lacrosse team (N.B. - they have a varsity women's team). Geographic center of the league? Maybe. But if there's a bright center to the Ivy League lacrosse community, you're on the planet it's farthest from.

Quote from: Cop at LynahNo way in hell there was 2600 fans in the stands.  Huge failure having the ILT in NYC

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Quote from: djk26Were any ELFers at the league tournament games?  I read that the final had ~2600 fans.  That must have been below what the league wanted by having the games in New York.  How was the atmosphere? Was this experiment less than successful?

The mood was joyous, partly because Cornell led most of the game and was clearly better than Brown. But while Brown's tactic of face-guarding Teat and Cornell's willingness to allow it stirred up some conversation, it also made for a subdued atmosphere. With Brown trailing by only a couple of goals, there was a constant fear of disaster. Compared to Sunday's game, it was quite boring.

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Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: djk26Were any ELFers at the league tournament games?  I read that the final had ~2600 fans.  That must have been below what the league wanted by having the games in New York.  How was the atmosphere? Was this experiment less than successful?

The mood was joyous, partly because Cornell led most of the game and was clearly better than Brown. But while Brown's tactic of face-guarding Teat and Cornell's willingness to allow it stirred up some conversation, it also made for a subdued atmosphere. With Brown trailing by only a couple of goals, there was a constant fear of disaster. Compared to Sunday's game, it was quite boring.

Haha, I'm not sure these four sentences are entirely consistent.

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: djk26Were any ELFers at the league tournament games?  I read that the final had ~2600 fans.  That must have been below what the league wanted by having the games in New York.  How was the atmosphere? Was this experiment less than successful?

I was there.

On Friday night initially I was sitting in the midst of a bunch of Yale supporters. I was quite happy with this, as I thought Yale would be a better Sunday opponent for Cornell's chance to dance. It was quite cordial and spirited. Of course Yale crushed Penn, so one would expect a celebratory mood in the area for most of the game.

Then, most of the Yale supporters left, and the area around me was filled in with Cornell supporters. So I felt quite at home. I was happy to see the Cornell band was there -- the only band I noticed from the four schools. But the acoustics sucked. I couldn't even hear them playing "Davey." (But maybe that's just my aged hearing.) The mood was joyous, partly because Cornell led most of the game and was clearly better than Brown. But while Brown's tactic of face-guarding Teat and Cornell's willingness to allow it stirred up some conversation, it also made for a subdued atmosphere. With Brown trailing by only a couple of goals, there was a constant fear of disaster. Compared to Sunday's game, it was quite boring.

Sunday was a different matter. Cornell fans occupied what seemed to be about half the stands on the east side of the stadium (not to capacity), and I assumed Yale fans had similar occupancy at the other end of the field. With Cornell spanking Yale, the atmosphere near me was great. Lots of high-fives, organized cheers, standing ovations, etc. But I didn't see or hear any bands: I don't know if this was a matter of acoustics, with the bands at the other end of the field, or if no bands showed up for the game. There was no standing for the alma mater at halftime, so I assume it was the latter. Curious.

According to Wikipedia, the stadium's capacity is 17,000. But they only allowed seating on one side, which holds 10,500. This side has two distinct characteristics: it has a section having seats with backs and arms, and it is where the officials' table was set up. The stadium staff did not enforce tickets for the fancy seats (at least not on Sunday), so I was very happy I had sprung only for GA but was able to upgrade the seating on Sunday when I showed up with grand kids. (Ivy students got in for free, but the ticketing staff wouldn't take the eleven-year-old's statement that he gets all A's on his report card as proof he goes to Harvard. Damn!) The officials' table was at the midfield stripe and in a canopy tent, which blocked the view of the field from the stands. So most fans sat around the forty-yard lines rather than at midfield.

As for success, I'm not sure what the Ivy League's goals were, so it's hard to say. Because fans left/arrived on Friday night, at any one time there would be fewer people than total attendance. On Sunday there was good Cornell attendance, about double of what I usually see at the away games I attend. (I live too far from Ithaca to go to home games.) But it's hard to assess total attendance from one's seat, and besides I'm not really skilled at making crowd-size estimates.

I watched the championship game on TV, and the announcers made the case that the league should continue the experiment for at least five years. Certainly some bugs can be worked out, and very little marketing was done this time. (How is it the Ivy League can't afford decent marketing?) So there is room for improvement. I was surprised to learn there are several nascent youth lacrosse organizations in the five boroughs, and if the sport keeps on growing this youth contingent should be substantially larger. (I think they also got in free.) Unfortunately, I think geography and within-school popularity of the sport will have a strong impact on future attendance: imagine a Penn-Dartmouth final.

Quote from: jeff '84I was there Sunday as well, and agree with Swampy's writeup. I thought it was a good venue and a fun atmosphere. The band was definitely missed though. Thoughts on why Columbia doesn't have a team?

Quote from: upprdeckColumbia could add a team and adjust the added womens teams to offset it..  considering no scholie money in the ivys and the fact they can bus to almost every Lax game  they would want to play it would be a huge increase in money for the Ath dept. budget

Quote from: margolismI was there with my son on Sunday.  The Yale fans sitting near us came across as a bit rude and cocky at first, and peaking once Yale was up by two.  

From that point they got progressively more quiet, and were near silent in the second half.

The Pulver long distance goal drained any hope and enthusiasm they had remaining.

Quote from: margolismI was there with my son on Sunday.  The Yale fans sitting near us came across as a bit rude and cocky at first, and peaking once Yale was up by two.  

From that point they got progressively more quiet, and were near silent in the second half.

The Pulver long distance goal drained any hope and enthusiasm they had remaining.

Quote from: CU77They can go into the Dome and play with abandon.

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Quote from: upprdeckColumbia could add a team and adjust the added womens teams to offset it..  considering no scholie money in the ivys and the fact they can bus to almost every Lax game  they would want to play it would be a huge increase in money for the Ath dept. budget

First of all, Title IX requires that you either be at gender equity or moving toward it, and Columbia - like most D-I schools - is not at gender equity. So since adding a men's team and a women's team at the same time doesn't move them toward gender equity, it's not really a viable move. (Believe me, I had this conversation with the AD at the time when I worked there.)

Second, it sounds like you're suggesting that adding men's lacrosse plus some other random women's sport to be determined later (if it were a viable move within Title IX constraints) would be a huge revenue boon to Columbia simply because they wouldn't be giving those athletes scholarships. I really hope you were being sarcastic, because if not I'm worried for your sanity.

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Quote from: CU77They can go into the Dome and play with abandon.

I'm just hoping they can play with Jeff Teat.

Quote from: David HardingLinked from the Cornell home page at the moment is this story on The Streak (https://spark.adobe.com/page/F0wdTwa4eLCYb/)

Quote from: RichHI know that the CU-SU game is on ESPNU and ESPN3 per the game info provided by CU. Can anyone find out if this game will be carried on the new ESPN+ service? I'm currently outside of the US, and the international "ESPN Player" service has a 7-day free college pass trial that will have at least the 1st round games. But I'm also considering jumping on a VPN to see what the ESPN+ service is like, IF this game is carried there. (Or, you know...just using the ESPN3 service I would have access to.)

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: David HardingLinked from the Cornell home page at the moment is this story on The Streak (https://spark.adobe.com/page/F0wdTwa4eLCYb/)

Worth reading if just for the photo at the very bottom.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: David HardingLinked from the Cornell home page at the moment is this story on The Streak (https://spark.adobe.com/page/F0wdTwa4eLCYb/)

Worth reading if just for the photo at the very bottom.

That is pretty amazing.

(https://spark.adobe.com/page/F0wdTwa4eLCYb/images/b35e9290-e446-414d-98e9-0aff64e932b6.jpg?asset_id=12dcec2d-4733-4e51-ad5d-31104e2b829a&img_etag=8a96b249963fa90ca8d6bd996ebcc094&size=2560)

But I thought you old fucks were getting high and screwing every minute of the day back then.  Either you were exaggerating or that's quite a stadium event.

Quote from: TrotskyBut I thought you old fucks were getting high and screwing every minute of the day back then.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: TrotskyBut I thought you old fucks were getting high and screwing every minute of the day back then.

That was TimV.::bolt::

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Quote from: margolismI was there with my son on Sunday.  The Yale fans sitting near us came across as a bit rude and cocky at first, and peaking once Yale was up by two.  

From that point they got progressively more quiet, and were near silent in the second half.

The Pulver long distance goal drained any hope and enthusiasm they had remaining.

Pulver's goal had to be a dagger to their hearts. Yale's keeper was away from the goal because they were trying a very hard ride. Jake apparently practices this shot, and he took advantage of the situation. Fitting that exactly 7 years to the date that doctors took his large intestine out, his first collegiate goal took Yale's heart out.

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Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: margolismI was there with my son on Sunday.  The Yale fans sitting near us came across as a bit rude and cocky at first, and peaking once Yale was up by two.  

From that point they got progressively more quiet, and were near silent in the second half.

The Pulver long distance goal drained any hope and enthusiasm they had remaining.

Pulver's goal had to be a dagger to their hearts. Yale's keeper was away from the goal because they were trying a very hard ride. Jake apparently practices this shot, and he took advantage of the situation. Fitting that exactly 7 years to the date that doctors took his large intestine out, his first collegiate goal took Yale's heart out.

And you can vote for the goal as the "TRUE Play of the Week"

First, we have Maryland's Bubba Fairman catching a feed on the crease, performing a great handle to avoid a defenders check and finishing with a backhanded shovel shot. Then we have Cornell's Jake Pulver with a long distance pole goal, launching a missile towards an open goal from 65 yards away.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/true-play-of-the-week-fairman-s-shovel-or-pulver-s-missile/52226

Quote from: TrotskyBracket (https://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-men/d1) so far:


Duke 17 Villanova 11
Yale 15 Massachusetts 13
Albany 18 Richmond 9
Loyola v Virginia 7:15 pm

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: CU77They can go into the Dome and play with abandon.

I'm just hoping they can play with Jeff Teat.

Quote from: djk26I like lacrosse, but I don't understand it.  Before Cornell's 7th goal that tied the game, two Cornell players smashed into the Syracuse player (who was by himself and holding the ball.)  The ball came out and Cornell picked it up.  How is that legal?

Quote from: djk26Thanks, Al.  This shutoff stuff is terrible to watch.  Poor Jeff Teat looks so lonely.  Thank God for Clarke Peterson.  LGR!

Quote from: French RageWooo!  10-9 final with a penalty w/ 2 seconds left but nothing happens.

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Quote from: French RageWooo!  10-9 final with a penalty w/ 2 seconds left but nothing happens.

Should have flattened Nims like that with seconds left in 2009.

Quote from: Ken711On to #1 Maryland.

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Quote from: French RageWooo!  10-9 final with a penalty w/ 2 seconds left but nothing happens.

Should have flattened Nims like that with seconds left in 2009.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: French RageWooo!  10-9 final with a penalty w/ 2 seconds left but nothing happens.

Should have flattened Nims like that with seconds left in 2009.

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Quote from: French RageWooo!  10-9 final with a penalty w/ 2 seconds left but nothing happens.

Should have flattened Nims like that with seconds left in 2009.

Can I ask that we just stop mentioning during every single lax game discussion what SHOULD have happened during a 10 second period in 2009? [size=Large]WE. KNOW.[/size]

This level of "laces out" obsession has far surpassed "Ross Lemon's penalty shot on his birthday" on this site.

Quote from: CU77Maryland is a very beatable team.

Quote from: dbilmesThis article (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-has-all-the-answers-against-syracuse-moves-on-to-ncaa-quarterfinals/52285) in Inside Lacrosse gives Milliman a lot of credit for the victory. "Cornell advanced to the NCAA Quarterfinals — the first time since 2013 — because it outplayed and outcoached Syracuse at its own game." While the ESPN broadcast crew did an adequate job overall with their in-game analysis, I don't recall hearing them talk much about Milliman's "interim" status, or about the controversy over giving Syracuse a home game and sending Cornell on the road. I'd also like to find out what happened when Milliman pulled Knight for a few minutes in the second quarter. I haven't seen anything about that in any of the post-match coverage.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: French RageWooo!  10-9 final with a penalty w/ 2 seconds left but nothing happens.

Should have flattened Nims like that with seconds left in 2009.

Can I ask that we just stop mentioning during every single lax game discussion what SHOULD have happened during a 10 second period in 2009? [size=Large]WE. KNOW.[/size]

This level of "laces out" obsession has far surpassed "Ross Lemon's penalty shot on his birthday" on this site.

Quote from: margolismLast three games the Cornell defense has been lights out in the second half.
- Versus Brown, 3 second half goals allowed
- Versus Yale, 3 second half goals allowed
- Versus Syracuse, 2 second half goals allowed

Whether this is due to comfort or defense adjustments, I don't know. But I'll take it.

Quote from: TrotskySo I need some remedial lax tutoring.  5 seconds to go and we truck the Syracuse player with possession and take the penalty.  Why didn't that stop the play and lead to Syracuse getting some advantage (extra player?) for the final 5 seconds?  

It looked to me like our Dman could have just pulled out a handgun and shot the guy and there would be no recourse at that point.

That seems like a Very Stupid Way to structure your rules.

I'll hang up and take my answer off the air.

Quote from: dag14Knight got a penalty for slashing so he left the game to serve his penalty.  The ESPN announcers missed it all; I am not sure they ever acknowledged that fact.

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Quote from: dag14Knight got a penalty for slashing so he left the game to serve his penalty.  The ESPN announcers missed it all; I am not sure they ever acknowledged that fact.

ESPN did explain correctly why he left.  When Knight returned.

Quote from: dbilmesI'd also like to find out what happened when Milliman pulled Knight for a few minutes in the second quarter. I haven't seen anything about that in any of the post-match coverage.

Quote from: dbilmesThis article (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-has-all-the-answers-against-syracuse-moves-on-to-ncaa-quarterfinals/52285) in Inside Lacrosse gives Milliman a lot of credit for the victory. "Cornell advanced to the NCAA Quarterfinals — the first time since 2013 — because it outplayed and outcoached Syracuse at its own game." While the ESPN broadcast crew did an adequate job overall with their in-game analysis, I don't recall hearing them talk much about Milliman's "interim" status, or about the controversy over giving Syracuse a home game and sending Cornell on the road. I'd also like to find out what happened when Milliman pulled Knight for a few minutes in the second quarter. I haven't seen anything about that in any of the post-match coverage.

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Quote from: djk26Thanks, Al.  This shutoff stuff is terrible to watch.  Poor Jeff Teat looks so lonely.  Thank God for Clarke Peterson.  LGR!

I'm afraid the next two years will be like this for Teat.  Shame.

Quote from: TrotskySo I need some remedial lax tutoring.  5 seconds to go and we truck the Syracuse player with possession and take the penalty.  Why didn't that stop the play and lead to Syracuse getting some advantage (extra player?) for the final 5 seconds?  

It looked to me like our Dman could have just pulled out a handgun and shot the guy and there would be no recourse at that point.

That seems like a Very Stupid Way to structure your rules.

I'll hang up and take my answer off the air.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioTeat article on collegecross:

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/5/14/17350582/jeff-teat-cornell-big-red-not-a-tewaaraton-award-finalist-attack

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioTeat article on collegecross:

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2018/5/14/17350582/jeff-teat-cornell-big-red-not-a-tewaaraton-award-finalist-attack

Wow, that's crazy. I wonder how much his 0G-1A was a factor.

My favorite ESPN commentator line came just before that assist. "Teat now being guarded by a short stick I wonder what he will do." ...... "Anything he wants to...."

Quote from: BearLoverWhat a great win--can't even imagine how good this team would be if it received the same number of possessions as its opponents.

Could someone who watches/remember more lacrosse than me comment on whether Pannell ever got faceguarded? If so, what happened? If not, why not?

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Quote from: BearLoverWhat a great win--can't even imagine how good this team would be if it received the same number of possessions as its opponents.

Could someone who watches/remember more lacrosse than me comment on whether Pannell ever got faceguarded? If so, what happened? If not, why not?

Harvard shut him off in 2011.   He stood off in a corner most of the time and Cornell played 5 on 5.  David Lau had five goals and three assists in a 13-12 win.  Pannell had two goals, probably taking the ball at the end line, and no assists.

Quote from: BearLoverOK, and why didn't other teams replicate Harvard's strategy? Is there something different about Pannell that made faceguarding him harder? Pannell being stronger?

Quote from: ugarteIdle thought: please sign Millman to a deal before we have to get in an offseason bidding war.

Quote from: ugarteIdle thought: please sign Millman to a deal before we have to get in an offseason bidding war.

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Quote from: ugarteIdle thought: please sign Millman to a deal before we have to get in an offseason bidding war.

I want to see this story:
Cornell Interim Coach Wins USILA Coach of the Year Award
... better than ...

Departed Cornell Interim Coach Wins USILA Coach of the Year Award

Quote from: CU77Did you actually watch the Syracuse game? Is that what you saw happening?

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Quote from: CU77Did you actually watch the Syracuse game? Is that what you saw happening?

I'm jumping in here because I want to understand this better. What I saw was Teat unable to participate (except for restarts) because Mellen followed him with every step.  What can Teat do to escape this?  I saw a video on v-cuts yesterday that looked promising, but also difficult to pull off as you need your teammates to get you the ball at exactly the right moment, and if you (and your teammates) haven't practiced that all season, it's hard to start doing it now.

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Quote from: CU77Did you actually watch the Syracuse game? Is that what you saw happening?

I'm jumping in here because I want to understand this better. What I saw was Teat unable to participate (except for restarts) because Mellen followed him with every step.  What can Teat do to escape this?  I saw a video on v-cuts yesterday that looked promising, but also difficult to pull off as you need your teammates to get you the ball at exactly the right moment, and if you (and your teammates) haven't practiced that all season, it's hard to start doing it now.

Quote from: Tom LentoIs this one of those things where there are a handful of players good enough to shut Teat down like this?

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Quote from: Tom LentoIs this one of those things where there are a handful of players good enough to shut Teat down like this?

Sounds like it makes the sport needlessly boring, like allowing a basketball defender to wrap his arms around the legs of LeBron and neutralize him for the entire game.

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Quote from: Tom LentoIs this one of those things where there are a handful of players good enough to shut Teat down like this?

Sounds like it makes the sport needlessly boring, like allowing a basketball defender to wrap his arms around the legs of LeBron and neutralize him for the entire game.

What was Mellen actually doing, though?  From what I saw, he was just following Teat around, forcing Teat to basically do nothing.

Quote from: cu155There are a couple of reasons why teams don't faceguard.

1) In doing so it allows Cornell to open up the rest of the field more when effectivly playing 5x5 due to Teat being out of the action.  If a team has multiple scoring threats and the ability to pass well this makes it hard for the rest of the defenders to cover the ball and someone will get open/get off a good shot.  Cornell has multiple scoring threats and attackmen with good hands and shutting off Teat runs the risk of opening them up more.

2) It's really going to mainly be stud defenders who can stay in his face enough to actually remove him from the game.

Quote from: JasonN95Is Teat starting with the ball from a reset after a shot not a way to use his play strengths? It seems that you could fairly easily manufacture that by taking a deliberately high and wide shot where you first ensure you have the backup for it. Can the officials choose to not give the closest team the ball if they believe the shot was not intended to hit the net, akin to a deliberate offsides call in hockey?

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Quote from: djk26

Quote from: CU77Did you actually watch the Syracuse game? Is that what you saw happening?

I'm jumping in here because I want to understand this better. What I saw was Teat unable to participate (except for restarts) because Mellen followed him with every step.  What can Teat do to escape this?  I saw a video on v-cuts yesterday that looked promising, but also difficult to pull off as you need your teammates to get you the ball at exactly the right moment, and if you (and your teammates) haven't practiced that all season, it's hard to start doing it now.

I suspect Cornell started practicing them after the Princeton game. We may still see them.

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Quote from: JasonN95Is Teat starting with the ball from a reset after a shot not a way to use his play strengths? It seems that you could fairly easily manufacture that by taking a deliberately high and wide shot where you first ensure you have the backup for it. Can the officials choose to not give the closest team the ball if they believe the shot was not intended to hit the net, akin to a deliberate offsides call in hockey?

Gotta be some sort of gamesmanship penalty like that, right?  Otherwise, the possessing team could just continually drain the clock with their man running behind the defender to the out of bounds line, until the defense cut behind giving the guy a free run at the net.

I'm sure it's just my unfamiliarity with the sport but I've never understood what possession being granted to the nearest player gains for lax, as opposed to change of possession from the team that throws it out of bounds.  Was there a moment where that decision was made in the rules or is this just the organic development of the sport?

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Quote from: JasonN95Is Teat starting with the ball from a reset after a shot not a way to use his play strengths? It seems that you could fairly easily manufacture that by taking a deliberately high and wide shot where you first ensure you have the backup for it. Can the officials choose to not give the closest team the ball if they believe the shot was not intended to hit the net, akin to a deliberate offsides call in hockey?

Gotta be some sort of gamesmanship penalty like that, right?  Otherwise, the possessing team could just continually drain the clock with their man running behind the defender to the out of bounds line, until the defense cut behind giving the guy a free run at the net.

I'm sure it's just my unfamiliarity with the sport but I've never understood what possession being granted to the nearest player gains for lax, as opposed to change of possession from the team that throws it out of bounds.  Was there a moment where that decision was made in the rules or is this just the organic development of the sport?

Not sure when the decision was made, but with no back wall to the field as in hockey, losing possession simply by missing a shot on goal massively disincentivizes shooting. Plus needing the nearest player to retain possession prevents too much bunching of offense around the crease.

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Quote from: Tom LentoIs this one of those things where there are a handful of players good enough to shut Teat down like this?

Seems that way, otherwise you'd always just take your worst player and eliminate their best player, and they'd do the same, and so on...

Sounds like it makes the sport needlessly boring, like allowing a basketball defender to wrap his arms around the legs of LeBron and neutralize him for the entire game.  Why not just arrange the rules so gamesmanship of that type is simply deemed interference?  "Tradition!"?

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Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: JasonN95Is Teat starting with the ball from a reset after a shot not a way to use his play strengths? It seems that you could fairly easily manufacture that by taking a deliberately high and wide shot where you first ensure you have the backup for it. Can the officials choose to not give the closest team the ball if they believe the shot was not intended to hit the net, akin to a deliberate offsides call in hockey?

Gotta be some sort of gamesmanship penalty like that, right?  Otherwise, the possessing team could just continually drain the clock with their man running behind the defender to the out of bounds line, until the defense cut behind giving the guy a free run at the net.

I'm sure it's just my unfamiliarity with the sport but I've never understood what possession being granted to the nearest player gains for lax, as opposed to change of possession from the team that throws it out of bounds.  Was there a moment where that decision was made in the rules or is this just the organic development of the sport?

Not sure when the decision was made, but with no back wall to the field as in hockey, losing possession simply by missing a shot on goal massively disincentivizes shooting. Plus needing the nearest player to retain possession prevents too much bunching of offense around the crease.

Quote from: nshapiroLacrosse historically was played without boundaries, so that when it was adapted to fit in a regulation field, the theory was that the person closest to the end line would have been able to chase down the ball and possess it.  Don't ask me why this only applies to shots.

If refs think a team is not seriously trying to score (taking bad shots that are backed up) they can put on the shot clock which requires a shot to be on goal or off the post.  Shots that miss do not reset the shot clock.

Quote from: SwampyA few more comments. Teat is the best passer I've ever seen. But he's not particularly great as a dodger and not exceptionally fast. (Watch videos of him running after an opponent who's running to clear the ball.)

Also compare Rob Pannell's physique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Pannell) (5'9", 190lb) with Jeff Teat's (http://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=43920&path=mlax) (5'10", 165lb). Rob is an incredible dodger, partly because he's built low to the ground, with a low center of gravity, and yet big enough not to be knocked around easily. I recall seeing a picture of him doing chins, with his legs at a right angle and a huge boat-anchor chain draped across his chest. So obviously he is very strong for his size.

OTOH, Jeff is thinner and does not seem as strong. Obviously at this level, he's an elite athlete. But this time of year he's also going against elite athletes. I think Yale thought having Fake mark him on man-to-man would be sufficient, but apparently not.

I hope Milliman and Teat consult with the best sports trainers so that once the season is over, Jeff can do what's necessary: be in the weight room every day, run stairs every day (with a stick and ball cradled by his right hand), practice shielding the ball against an elite defender or two, and practice his dodging. The goal should be to make him much harder to face guard and much more dangerous when it's done.

If you remember, RP3 played on the 2009 team and made a strong impact, but he took his game to a completely higher level by the time he finished in 2013. He scored 67 points in 2009, 80 in 2010,  89 in 2011, was injured in 2012, and 102 points in 2013. By comparison, JT51 scored 72 points his freshman year (breaking RP3's Cornell freshman scoring record) and currently has 97 points.

By the time Jeff graduates, I want to see him set a pick for a 215 lb defender, and when the two collide it's the defender that falls down.

Quote from: jeff '84Quint's weekend preview:

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-2018-ncaa-tournament-quarterfinals-preview/52342

The video at top is a lengthy highlights package(which has probably been previously posted) of CU-Maryland 1976 championship game.

Quote from: CU77Peter Milliman turned this team totally around. He deserves an immediate long-term contract.

Quote from: upprdeckworst game of the year by the D

Quote from: upprdeckhave to fix the X and figure how to handle the shut off..   Maryland used their #3 defender to slow Cornell down..

Quote from: SwampyIf you watched the post-game show on TV, I think it was QK, who said something even more to point. It was something like, "When Ben Reeves is on the field he's the best athlete on the field, but if you look at today's game, Jeff Teat is nowhere near the best athlete on the field."

This implies that solving the SOT strategy has to start with Jeff himself. There are 8 months before lacrosse season starts again, and he needs to be in the weight room and running every day between now and then. Look to add about 10-15 lbs of muscle, bench-press twice his weight, and get his time for 100 yds under 10.0 sec. He also needs to practice dodging, going both to the left and right of the defender.

Quote from: BearLoverYes, I don't quite understand what bulking up has to do with getting the ball in the first place. Is it that the Teat should be outmuscling the faceguarding D to get into open position? It seems a better way to do it is to cut away from him. Can you set picks for someone who doesn't have the ball?

Quote from: upprdeckjust watch the replays.. teat is one of the slowest players out there.  just chasing loose balls he looks like he is carrying 50lbs trying to get to endlines ahead of the D

its much harder to get open when you lack the speed and quickness, it can be improved but by how much?

Quote from: George64Pulver wins Senior CLASS Award. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/5/23/mens-lacrosse-jake-pulver-wins-senior-class-award.aspx)

Teat first team USILA All-American. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2018/5/23/mens-lacrosse-teat-named-first-team-all-american-big-red-quartet-honored.aspx)  Knight, Dowiak and Pulver also honored.

Quote from: CU77Congrats to PM on a well-deserved appointment.

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Quote from: CU77Congrats to PM on a well-deserved appointment.

I agree, very happy to see this.

Item #1 of the off-season to-do list can be crossed off.

#1 Sign coach Milliman.

#2 Figure out how to combat SOT. ("Shut off Teat" )

I fear that #2 will prove significantly harder than #1.  ::help::

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Quote from: CU77Congrats to PM on a well-deserved appointment.

I agree, very happy to see this.

Item #1 of the off-season to-do list can be crossed off.

#1 Sign coach Milliman.

#2 Figure out how to combat SOT. ("Shut off Teat" )

I fear that #2 will prove significantly harder than #1.  ::help::

3. FOGO FOGO FOGO

Quote from: djk26I agree that FOGO is a huge need for this team, but I heard they have a good one coming next year and a REALLY good one coming the year after that.  Still, that's a freshman next year, so let's hope they can find/develop some face-off specialists who are already on the team.

Quote from: djk26Ugh.  A Yale-Duke final.  Of course I will root against Duke, but it would not be much fun to have to see YALE go all the way in my two favorite college sports within the space of a few years.

Quote from: Oscar Wilde"The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible."

Quote from: SwampyWatching Hill Academy against Culver in High School championships. Really like Billy Coyle: good dodger, good feeder, causes turnovers on the ride. If he can bring these aspects of his game to the next level, he'll help counter SOT.

Quote from: BearLoverLike in hockey, very depressing to see one of our rivals, with many fewer years of success than us, win a national championship that we haven't won in 40 years.

Quote from: TrotskyBetter Yale than Harvard.  Better Harvard than nuclear annihilation.  Better nuclear annihilation than Duke.

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Quote from: BearLoverLike in hockey, very depressing to see one of our rivals, with many fewer years of success than us, win a national championship that we haven't won in 40 years.

I couldn't agree more.  I can't help but watch the highlights and think, "That won't be us anytime soon."

Quote from: billhowardOne area where IMG tops even Cornell: Tuition, fees and training can be in the seventies.

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Quote from: billhowardOne area where IMG tops even Cornell: Tuition, fees and training can be in the seventies.

JFC.  Anybody who sends their brat there should automatically have their taxes doubled.

Quote from: billhowardI didn't know this: When Matt Kerwick left Cornell a year ago, he landed very well, as director of lacrosse at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla. One area where IMG tops even Cornell: Tuition, fees and training can be in the seventies.

Quote from: billhowardMaybe Mike Schafer could talk to Milliman about making this a long-term career.

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Quote from: billhowardMaybe Mike Schafer could talk to Milliman about making this a long-term career.

Given how many lacrosse players have been popping up who also play hockey (or is it hockey players who also play lacrosse?), they may have much more to talk about.

Quote from: BearLoverLike in hockey, very depressing to see one of our rivals, with many fewer years of success than us, win a national championship that we haven't won in 40 years.