2017 football deserves its own thread.
Sep 16 @ Delaware
Sep 23 @ Yale
Sep 30 Colgate
Oct 07 Harvard
Oct 14 Bucknell
Oct 21 Brown (Homecoming / Trustee Council weekend)
Oct 28 @ Princeton
Nov 04 @ Dartmouth
Nov 11 Columbia
Nov 18 @ Penn
Homecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
Quote from: billhowardHomecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
My thought is there's perhaps a stronger possibility of beating Brown rather than Harvard, although we haven't had much success against either opponent for a long time.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardHomecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
My thought is there's perhaps a stronger possibility of beating Brown rather than Harvard, although we haven't had much success against either opponent for a long time.
Cornell Alumni Affairs for the past decade used Homecoming as an all-classes fall reunion, targeting especially the first 10 years out. It draws more people who have more fun when it's tank top weather in September. I think Cornell cares more about having fun that than finding the schedule's most winnable game, else in odd-number years homecoming would be Columbia in November. Even if Cornell had a home game 9/23, the Thursday and Friday before is Rosh Hashanah. Maybe we'll be lucky and October 21 is unseasonably warm. The historical high for the day is 57 degrees.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardHomecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
My thought is there's perhaps a stronger possibility of beating Brown rather than Harvard, although we haven't had much success against either opponent for a long time.
Cornell Alumni Affairs for the past decade used Homecoming as an all-classes fall reunion, targeting especially the first 10 years out. It draws more people who have more fun when it's tank top weather in September. I think Cornell cares more about having fun that than finding the schedule's most winnable game, else in odd-number years homecoming would be Columbia in November. Even if Cornell had a home game 9/23, the Thursday and Friday before is Rosh Hashanah. Maybe we'll be lucky and October 21 is unseasonably warm. The historical high for the day is 57 degrees.
For my money, the ideal time for homecoming is in mid-October. Peak of the fall, foliage exploding, orchards/vineyards/cider mills churning. Avg temps in Ithaca are right around 60 degrees, which is just perfect for football, if you ask me. And there's always going to be a risk of unseasonably cold/hot weather in either Sept. and Oct. The seating section of Schoellkopf tends to bounce heat back up, I prefer not to bake from above and below on a hot day. Also tank tops are gross, and nobody likes old-people knees. Long-sleeve T's forever!!
I kid, but more seriously, and I'll speak from the viewpoint of a bandie, having Homecoming be the first home game always irks me because it just makes things more chaotic and confusing for the undergrads. You're trying to teach and welcome an entire new class of freshmen into the way Cornell game days work, but then before you can calibrate them with a "typical" experience, you mix-in hundreds of crazy, nostalgia-driven alumni and events with everything. Let them (and other groups like greek houses, cheerleaders, etc) get their feet and establish a football experience before you throw us at them. Let them get 1-2 game days under their wings first. The first two weeks of October are just lovely in the Finger Lakes and ideal for Homecoming.
Am I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?
I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.
Quote from: TrotskyAm I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?
I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.
Wow, I do like that line of thinking. However, a small dive into Wikipedia sources shows that most of the earliest "homecoming" events in 1909-11 were all directed at alumni & getting them to "come home," especially at Baylor and Missouri:
http://www.active.com/football/articles/the-history-of-homecoming-871285
http://footballgameplan.com/fbgps-fcs-kickoff-2017-ivy-league-season-preview/
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyAm I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?
I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.
Wow, I do like that line of thinking
I think my HS may have done what I'm thinking of. Or it all came from an opium dream.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyAm I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?
I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.
Wow, I do like that line of thinking
I think my HS may have done what I'm thinking of. Or it all came from an opium dream.
I remember being greatly amused when my high school held a "homecoming dance", but only current students were allowed to attend.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyAm I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?
I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.
Wow, I do like that line of thinking
I think my HS may have done what I'm thinking of. Or it all came from an opium dream.
I remember being greatly amused when my high school held a "homecoming dance", but only current students were allowed to attend.
I always thought of Homecoming the same way Trotsky did. I'm not saying the alumni thing isn't "correct" historically - it makes a lot more sense tbh - but the ambiguity has probably led to the term being used in more than the original sense.
Agree. In HS our football team had homecoming after its first game on the road. In college, you wanted homecoming early in the year so it didn't run too close to fall weekend. But when alumni outnumber students at a game, I can see the other meaning for homecoming, of the alumni coming home to campus, being important, too.
We wouldn't be having this discussion if there was a longer thread about whether Cornell will finish first or second.
The 10/28 game @ Princeton will be televised nationally by NBCSN.
http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/7/24/football-to-have-four-games-televised-eight-on-iln-in-2017.aspx
Quote from: CU2007The 10/28 game @ Princeton will be televised nationally by NBCSN.
http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/7/24/football-to-have-four-games-televised-eight-on-iln-in-2017.aspx
While I am all for this I gotta ask.
Why?
Why not? Experienced team coming back at most positions this year.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CU2007The 10/28 game @ Princeton will be televised nationally by NBCSN.
http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/7/24/football-to-have-four-games-televised-eight-on-iln-in-2017.aspx
While I am all for this I gotta ask.
Why?
According to the
Sun, Football to Have 4 Televised Games in League-Wide Push for Increased Exposure (http://cornellsun.com/2017/07/24/football-to-have-4-televised-games-in-league-wide-push-for-increased-exposure/)
Of interest...
http://www.active.com/football/articles/the-history-of-homecoming-871285
QuoteOfficially sanctioned by the NCAA, Jeopardy! and Trivial Pursuit as the originator of homecoming, the University of Missouri is proud of their long-standing homecoming tradition. It was there in 1911 where Mizzou's Athletic Director Chester Brewer asked alumni of the school to help inaugurate the new location of their football field by "coming home" to attend the annual game against the University of Kansas.
Quote from: mgl11Of interest...
http://www.active.com/football/articles/the-history-of-homecoming-871285
QuoteOfficially sanctioned by the NCAA, Jeopardy! and Trivial Pursuit as the originator of homecoming, the University of Missouri is proud of their long-standing homecoming tradition. It was there in 1911 where Mizzou's Athletic Director Chester Brewer asked alumni of the school to help inaugurate the new location of their football field by "coming home" to attend the annual game against the University of Kansas.
Ah, summer reruns. I'd point out I linked that exact article in this thread already, but then I'd feel like a self-important tool on an online forum.
Oh wait.
Quote from: RichHbut then I'd feel like a self-important tool on an online forum
http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/112316_1435_KnowThyself1.jpg
Cornell home games start times pushed back one hour to 1:30. At least it will make for better tailgating.
Red picked to finish last in Ivies, in media poll announced today
Quote from: CASRed picked to finish last in Ivies, in media poll announced today
No surprise. I really think this is the make or break year for Archer.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CASRed picked to finish last in Ivies, in media poll announced today
No surprise. I really think this is the make or break year for Archer.
a) Eighth.
b) We've been saying about the Doogie Howser MD of Cornell coaching since after Year 1.
In 4 years under Coach Archer, Cornell is 9-31 overall & 6-22 in the Ivies. Best finish has been a tie for 6th place.
Quote from: CASIn 4 years under Coach Archer, Cornell is 9-31 overall & 6-22 in the Ivies. Best finish has been a tie for 6th place.
I think he signed a 5 year contract, so there had better be an improved record over 4-6 and tied for 6th place, or there could be a change coming after this season.
Quote from: Ken711there had better be an improved record over 4-6 and tied for 6th place
Is there any reason to expect one? That record sounds like the epitome of Cornell football in the almost 40 years I've followed it. We don't expect Brown to win in hockey. Absent some actual change in institutional commitment (read: admitting/paying dumb kids), or moving the football program to the Roosevelt Island campus, should we
ever expect Cornell to compete in football?
I'll take my answer off the air.
There have been periods Cornell has won in football. Maxie Baughan's last 3 teams ('86-'88) went a collective 16-5 in the Ivies. Jim Hofher's teams went 33-23 in the Ivies from '90-'97. The record since then has been abysmal. Btw Andy became AD in '99.
In 1995, 1999, and 2000 the team went into the final weekend with a legitimate shot at the title. Football expectations of students of that era must feel the same way about football as the Class of 2010 feels about basketball.
In other news, I'm crushed to learn this morning that the College Football Data Warehouse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Data_Warehouse) has been put down.
Quote from: CASBtw Andy became AD in '99.
Feels like it's been since 1899.
Quote from: CASThere have been periods Cornell has won in football. Maxie Baughan's last 3 teams ('86-'88) went a collective 16-5 in the Ivies. Jim Hofher's teams went 33-23 in the Ivies from '90-'97. The record since then has been abysmal. Btw Andy became AD in '99.
I understand that, and of course it's great to be competitive. I'm asking what is going on that leads anyone to believe the program will turn around? Brown hockey wins for a few years every couple decdes, too, until gravity inexorably pulls them back down.
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/IMG_3602.jpg
::whistle::
As weak as the defense has been the last few years, Cornell loses their defensive captain yet again to an injury. This time it's career ending.
http://cornellsun.com/2017/08/27/football-captain-norris-career-ends-with-achilles-injury-in-2nd-straight-preseason/
Former coach Kent Austin is having a bad year. First he relieved himself as coach of the Hamilton Tiger Cats because of their 0-8 record to concentrate on the administration of the team. Now he's getting sued by Cornell for money he owes for leaving Cornell prior to the end of his contract,
http://cornellsun.com/2017/08/30/cornell-sues-former-head-football-coach-for-over-100k/
Quote from: Ken711Former coach Kent Austin is having a bad year. First he relieved himself as coach of the Hamilton Tiger Cats because of their 0-8 record to concentrate on the administration of the team. Now he's getting sued by Cornell for money he owes for leaving Cornell prior to the end of his contract,
http://cornellsun.com/2017/08/30/cornell-sues-former-head-football-coach-for-over-100k/
Seems rather straightforward. Based on the stated facts CU will be able to get summary judgment if Austin doesn't pay before then.
Quote from: Ken711Former coach Kent Austin is having a bad year. First he relieved himself as coach of the Hamilton Tiger Cats because of their 0-8 record to concentrate on the administration of the team. Now he's getting sued by Cornell for money he owes for leaving Cornell prior to the end of his contract,
http://cornellsun.com/2017/08/30/cornell-sues-former-head-football-coach-for-over-100k/
Was Austin behind the attempted hiring of Art Briles?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711Former coach Kent Austin is having a bad year. First he relieved himself as coach of the Hamilton Tiger Cats because of their 0-8 record to concentrate on the administration of the team. Now he's getting sued by Cornell for money he owes for leaving Cornell prior to the end of his contract,
http://cornellsun.com/2017/08/30/cornell-sues-former-head-football-coach-for-over-100k/
Was Austin behind the attempted hiring of Art Briles?
June Jones the new HC who really wanted him, but they would surely have needed Austin's approval as well as the owner.
Delaware coming up Saturday. Better hope they don't get too many injuries from The Blue Hens strong defense. I'm guess Delaware 38 Cornell 10 for a final score.
Quote from: Ken711Delaware coming up Saturday. Better hope they don't get too many injuries from The Blue Hens strong defense. I'm guess Delaware 38 Cornell 10 for a final score.
Did Delaware move up to FBS? I remember when they were a D-2 powerhouse way back.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711Delaware coming up Saturday. Better hope they don't get too many injuries from The Blue Hens strong defense. I'm guess Delaware 38 Cornell 10 for a final score.
Did Delaware move up to FBS? I remember when they were a D-2 powerhouse way back.
No, but they did very well playing up against the #16 ranked FBS Virginia Tech, holding them to 303 yards of total offense and only 81 yards rushing. It was a nice pay day for Delaware by playing VT.
"Hens TV" makes ILDN look like IMAX. Commercials come thru very clear but game broadcast truly sucks. On the bright side, the constant buffering has made the video almost simultaneous with WHCU audio. For now.
17-0 Delaware in the 2nd on their way to an easy win as I thought.
Make that 24-0 Delaware, blow-out in progress.
4-0 turnovers, including fumble on 1st play of the game. Defense actually been decent but has too many short fields
Red down 27-0 at half. 5 turnovers. Soon to be 9-32 with David Archer as head coach
Quote from: CASRed down 27-0 at half. 5 turnovers.
It's important to have goals.
QuoteNCAA FOOTBALL. MOST TURNOVERS LOST.
13—Georgia vs. Georgia Tech, Dec. 1, 1951 (5 fumbles,
8 interceptions)
Like to see Harley Kirsch get a shot at QB.
Not a great day for Walker at RB, and the other RB's are slow and have no escapabiity.
To be honest Delaware is clearly out of Cornell's league. I get wanting to challenge the team, but wins against more beatable opponents wouldn't hurt. Cornell with Yale, Colgate and Harvard coming up is likely staring at an 0-4 start to the season.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell with Yale, Colgate and Harvard coming up is likely staring at an 0-4 start to the season.
Are you suggesting you think Brown is a possible W? The way this team looks we have a great shot at oh-for-2017.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Ken711Cornell with Yale, Colgate and Harvard coming up is likely staring at an 0-4 start to the season.
Are you suggesting you think Brown is a possible W? The way this team looks we have a great shot at oh-for-2017.
No, I'll think they have a chance in their home games against Bucknell, Brown and possible Columbia. 3-7 is the best outcome I see.
Final 41-14 close to my guess of 38-10.
Just got home from the game. I think the fact that we fumbled on our first play from scrimmage says it all.
The defense actually wasn't half bad, We kept them fairly well contained in the first half, and forced a couple field goals after giving up great field position on turnovers. Though to be fair, Delaware's QB overthrew a lot of wide open receivers,
But this may have been the worst offense I have ever seen play in a Cornell uniform. We had no running game whatsoever, and 4 interceptions put an end to any passing momentum we could muster. Frankly, they tried to be a little too cute on offense and it led to errors - big errors - like the interception on the halfback option pass. I think we finished with less than 300 yards of total offense, and less than 20 yards rushing. Feh!
Delaware is not that great a team, at least based on their record last year. So either they've improved a lot or we are just horrible. Sadly, I think it's the latter.
How long 'til the Red and White game?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just got home from the game. I think the fact that we fumbled on our first play from scrimmage says it all.
The defense actually wasn't half bad, We kept them fairly well contained in the first half, and forced a couple field goals after giving up great field position on turnovers. Though to be fair, Delaware's QB overthrew a lot of wide open receivers,
But this may have been the worst offense I have ever seen play in a Cornell uniform. We had no running game whatsoever, and 4 interceptions put an end to any passing momentum we could muster. Frankly, they tried to be a little too cute on offense and it led to errors - big errors - like the interception on the halfback option pass. I think we finished with less than 300 yards of total offense, and less than 20 yards rushing. Feh!
Delaware is not that great a team, at least based on their record last year. So either they've improved a lot or we are just horrible. Sadly, I think it's the latter.
How long 'til the Red and White game?
How long until the next head football coach change?
Quote from: Ken711Final 41-14 close to my guess of 38-10.
We were about to congratulate you for the accurate prediction. Somebody beat us to it.
Cornell's coach also is good at doing math on the fly:
Quote from: Jeff Archer '05We gave up the ball five times in the first half and they scored 27 points off them. They won by 27 points."
Still trying to figure this one out, though:
QuoteI think defensively, given the field position I think they did some nice things. Those guys don't play in the Ivy League.
I was away (in Ithaca) and didn't check in on the game until last night, didn't know how bad it was. But lack of a score in the headline scared me. Geez, one game in, and the evidence mounts that the players are in for a rough season. They're trying as hard as anyone else.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Just got home from the game. I think the fact that we fumbled on our first play from scrimmage says it all.
The defense actually wasn't half bad, We kept them fairly well contained in the first half, and forced a couple field goals after giving up great field position on turnovers. Though to be fair, Delaware's QB overthrew a lot of wide open receivers,
But this may have been the worst offense I have ever seen play in a Cornell uniform. We had no running game whatsoever, and 4 interceptions put an end to any passing momentum we could muster. Frankly, they tried to be a little too cute on offense and it led to errors - big errors - like the interception on the halfback option pass. I think we finished with less than 300 yards of total offense, and less than 20 yards rushing. Feh!
Delaware is not that great a team, at least based on their record last year. So either they've improved a lot or we are just horrible. Sadly, I think it's the latter.
How long 'til the Red and White game?
How long until the next head football coach change?
Not soon enough!
Getting mad about being blown out by Delaware is a bit much. This may not be - probably will not be - a good season, but I don't think the coaching is as big a problem as institutional indifference towards the program.
Quote from: ugarteGetting mad about being blown out by Delaware is a bit much. This may not be - probably will not be - a good season, but I don't think the coaching is as big a problem as institutional indifference towards the program.
Agreed. Yale was 3-4 / 3-7 last year. They seem like a much better test of where this team is.
Quote from: ugarteGetting mad about being blown out by Delaware is a bit much. This may not be - probably will not be - a good season, but I don't think the coaching is as big a problem as institutional indifference towards the program.
Hear, hear
Quote from: ugarteGetting mad about being blown out by Delaware is a bit much. This may not be - probably will not be - a good season, but I don't think the coaching is as big a problem as institutional indifference towards the program.
That is certainly a contributing factor. As an example, there was looking like movement toward building an indoor practice facility under the late Cornell President Elizabeth Garrett, It appears everything has stalled under new President Pollack on it.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteGetting mad about being blown out by Delaware is a bit much. This may not be - probably will not be - a good season, but I don't think the coaching is as big a problem as institutional indifference towards the program.
That is certainly a contributing factor. As an example, there was looking like movement toward building an indoor practice facility under the late Cornell President Elizabeth Garrett, It appears everything has stalled under new President Pollack on it.
Pollack from Michigan should know equally as well as Garrett from USC that the arms race in college athletics now includes 120-yard covered practice fields in cold-weather states. It will benefit more than football. Other Ivy teams have them. It would allow Cornell to play February home lacrosse matches no matter how much snow. There might even be some time for students to use such a facility. The facility coming to fruition most likely involves alumni involvement to fund it (and also fund the upkeep).
So what is the status of the bubble? Has the money been raised? If so, wouldn't the administration support it? Agree there needs to be more institutional support for football, & we've only played a single game this year. But shouldn't we hold the current staff accountable for their record? And how can one be optimistic, given we've won only about 20% of our games over the last 4+ years
Quote from: CASSo what is the status of the bubble? Has the money been raised? If so, wouldn't the administration support it? Agree there needs to be more institutional support for football, & we've only played a single game this year. But shouldn't we hold the current staff accountable for their record? And how can one be optimistic, given we've won only about 20% of our games over the last 4+ years
First off, a bubble was never going to be the design of the indoor practice, They examined the costs to purchase, put up and take down, and maintain it and decided it wasn't cost effective over the long-term. They are/were planning a permanent facility like Dartmouth will be building. Last I heard, they have a commitment for $5 million in matching funds from a donor toward the construction cost.
Quote from: Other Ivy teams have them. It would allow Cornell to play February home lacrosse matches no matter how much snow. There might even be some time for students to use such a facility.
It would be available as time permitted for all varsity teams and the general student population. It really seems like a no brainer at this point if they have any hope in being competitive in the Ivy League! Columbia has a one one, Dartmouth approved funding for a new one. Penn and Harvard already have them, and Princeton is in the process of approving one.
Contact Ryan Lomabardi VP For Student and Campus Life if you are interested in finding out what's going on with it. (ryan.lombardi@cornell.edu)
With the 49-24 loss to Yale, Cornell is now 9-33 in the Archer era, & has lost 8 of their last 9.
Quote from: CASWith the 49-24 loss to Yale, Cornell is now 9-33 in the Archer era, & has lost 8 of their last 9.
Cornell needs to do what Columbia finally did after decades of losing by bringing in an outside consultant to evaluate and make recommendations on coaching, facility improvements and other institutional support. Cornell has officially taken over the role of Columbia in the league.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell needs to do what Columbia finally did after decades of losing by bringing in an outside consultant to evaluate and make recommendations on coaching, facility improvements and other institutional support. Cornell has officially taken over the role of Columbia in the league.
The only thing that keeps getting in the way is beating Columbia.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Cornell needs to do what Columbia finally did after decades of losing by bringing in an outside consultant to evaluate and make recommendations on coaching, facility improvements and other institutional support. Cornell has officially taken over the role of Columbia in the league.
The only thing that keeps getting in the way is beating Columbia.
;-) The game saving the Big Red from the cellar perhaps.
Giving up 8+ yards per play, mostly on the ground, is an embarrassment. At long last, Harold Coles was given a chance to show what he can do, but not until the game was out of reach. Now, when does Harley Kirsch, maybe the highest-rated Cornell recruit ever, get to take a snap in a varsity game? Team appears to be going nowhere as things are.
Good news: Only 2 turnovers and over 400 yards of offense.
Bad news: The defense, which looked decent last week, gave up over 300 yards rushing.
This team may not even beat Columbia.
This team would be at least a touchdown underdog to 2-0 Columbia, if game was played today
Wagner and Georgetown aren't exactly football powers, FWIW.
But Columbia still won. I'd rather get the creampuff wins than crushing losses.
Colgate is 1-3 so far, this may be a chance at the Big Red's first win.
Testing ILDN by watching some field hockey prior to today's broadcast. What is the bright white 3-story building that runs along the side of the field hockey (soccer) field? Is that new? It's almost not hideous.
Edit: I guess it's just the back of Alberding (or whoever is ponying up this week). I don't think I have ever seen it from that angle.
Edit edit: No, it's Weill Hall, which I have never heard of, so it is probably 20 years old.
Scoreless vs Colgate after 1. Defense looks great. Offense... well, the defense looks great.
Banks just puts the ball up for grabs. It's past time to try Harley Kirsch.
Why Gellatly and not Coles?
Pass rush has no containment.
The Peters first down was a nice throw.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioBanks just puts the ball up for grabs. It's past time to try Harley Kirsch.
Why Gellatly and not Coles?
Pass rush has no containment.
Couldn't agree with you more. Banks has regressed, and Gellately has zero speed.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioBanks just puts the ball up for grabs. It's past time to try Harley Kirsch.
Why Gellatly and not Coles?
Pass rush has no containment.
Couldn't agree with you more. Banks has regressed, and Gellately has zero speed.
But to be fair to Banks, the OL is far worse this year--they look like statues in pass protection, and get no push on running plays. Other than that they're fine ::woot::
Gesualdi is fun to watch.
Quote from: scoop85Gellately has zero speed.
I think he heard you.
are there even 1,000 fans in attendance? yikes.
Well, we looked good in the first quarter. Repeat of the Yale game. Oh well.
9-34 under David Archer. Losers of 9 of last 10. Program in desperate need of an intervention.
Quote from: CAS9-34 under David Archer. Losers of 9 of last 10. Program in desperate need of an intervention.
Meanwhile, Columbia goes to 3-0 with a last minute win at Princeton.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioBanks just puts the ball up for grabs. It's past time to try Harley Kirsch.
Why Gellatly and not Coles?
Pass rush has no containment.
Couldn't agree with you more. Banks has regressed, and Gellately has zero speed.
But to be fair to Banks, the OL is far worse this year--they look like statues in pass protection, and get no push on running plays. Other than that they're fine ::woot::
Compared to the Colgate QB, Banks is a statue and has a slow release. And throws too often into trouble. Archer keeps sticking with a losing combination. Dumb. Time to go, I regret to say. Nice guy, but...
Cornell might've had a chance of closing it to a one-TD margin with ~4 minutes to play until Cornell got intercepted deep in Colgate territory. Lost 4 passes to INTs. Looking less and less like 3-0 Columbia is going to be a Cornell win. We may have a lot riding on Bucknell, 2-2 going into an evening game against Monmouth. Too bad.
Announced attendance: 3325. The difference between us and, say, Ohio State or Stanford is you can discern the magnitude of our attendance at a glance even if there's no comma.
Quote from: CAS9-34 under David Archer. Losers of 9 of last 10. Program in desperate need of an intervention.
The Cornell Trustees and the President and AD need to decide either get behind the program as Columbia finally did with an outside evaluation top to bottom from coaching to facilities to admissions or perhaps just drop the sport. Continuing to just bring in a new coach without the full support and upgrades/improvements from the administration is doomed to fail.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Al DeFlorioBanks just puts the ball up for grabs. It's past time to try Harley Kirsch.
Why Gellatly and not Coles?
Pass rush has no containment.
Couldn't agree with you more. Banks has regressed, and Gellately has zero speed.
He's regressed because our QB coach experience was a HS football coach with no personal experience either as a former QB himself, or coaching in the college ranks.
this team is going 0-fer
Quote from: ugartethis team is going 0-fer
Sadly, I think you're right.
And so it begins....
http://www.voy.com/152805/163649.html
Back to the Colgate game:
Colgate came in pretty banged up from their 1st 4 games playing without several starters and still beat CU. I don't care whether you are playing Colgate or Little Sisters of the Poor-games are not won when you keep losing the turnover battle as in the 1st 3 games. Watching from the start of the game Banks did not look crisp on his passes or handoffs. The offensive line is not great but Banks has a tendency to hang onto to the ball rather than throw it away. The penalties especially were absolute killers and the 15 yard sideline penalty in the 4th-that one is on the coaching staff. Kudos to the defense though. As for those calling for Archer's head-I think of John Fox, the former Sports Editor of the Binghamton Press, who termed the Cornell Football Head Coach position as a Coaches Graveyard.
I was listening to the Colgate game on the radio.
Cornell's play was so disappointing/frustrating that I had to turn it off. Again.
My wife said that if it was my favorite NFL team that was losing I'd keep listening, regardless.
I said that was true. But, if it was my NFL team the difference is that they would at least try to identify the problem and do everything in their power to correct it.
::bang::
Two useful posts on voy.com (the Cornell section should be oy.com):
Jeff Archer '05 - Doogie Howser, F.B. - was chosen because Cornell was tired of coaches here bailing for better jobs.
Others commenting about other Ivy programs (Columbia) say change happens when the alumni revolt. Apparently chirping on line here is not all-out revolution. It is surprising that Columbia actually has a winning team this year. It's also surprising that Cornell has manged six decades of football without a single unshared title.
Let's see what happens. Meanwhile, it is easy this year to find space to tailgate.
Quote from: rss77I don't care whether you are playing Colgate or Little Sisters of the Poor...
How do we go about scheduling the Little Sisters of the Poor?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: rss77I don't care whether you are playing Colgate or Little Sisters of the Poor...
How do we go about scheduling the Little Sisters of the Poor?
Contact the AD at Holy Cross. He may have a contact email.
The sad part of this whole saga is that the young men on the team deserve better. They bust their asses out there but systematically they have no chance. I have no direct affiliation with the football program, but I do remember the days when Cornell was competitive in the Ivy League. It can be done, but it has to start at the top (AD)
Quote from: Cop at LynahThe sad part of this whole saga is that the young men on the team deserve better. They bust their asses out there but systematically they have no chance. I have no direct affiliation with the football program, but I do remember the days when Cornell was competitive in the Ivy League. It can be done, but it has to start at the top (AD)
I agree, but it also needs buy-in above the AD as they did with Columbia's President and Trustees who control the money.
Quote from: Ken711And so it begins....
http://www.voy.com/152805/163649.html
What in the actual fuck?
QuoteMy money is withheld until there is a new staff in place. It doesn't matter who. They could hire an all woman staff with no experience playing football and I would donate, if that meant Archer and his group is gone.
Speaking as an old person I look forward to the day when we are all dead.
For DC viewers, the Harvard game is on at 1:30 on something called "11 Sports" (Fios 597).
According to the TV broadcasters, the Harvard QB "plays the game with his arm and legs." That may catch on.
Three false starts in first ten plays. Another ball thrown up for grabs by Banks yields a pick. Where's Harley Kirsch?
Add two pass interference penalties. And a holding on a Harvard punt. Six 1Q penalties.
First 2Q penalty: personal foul after the play is dead.
Personal foul after play late first half negates 13-yard gain and first down at Harvard 30. Shoot self in foot?
Two more false starts late 3Q. Somehow 14-14 despite all this late 3Q. Found a running game.
Now 11th penalty: holding. Too many men on top of that. We can't count.
I'm sure Archer is a very nice man, but I'd never seen him in an interview before. He IS Generic Coach Man. His super power is jock platitudes.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioThree false starts in first ten plays. Another ball thrown up for grabs by Banks yields a pick. Where's Harley Kirsch?
Add two pass interference penalties. And a holding on a Harvard punt. Six 1Q penalties.
First 2Q penalty: personal foul after the play is dead.
Personal foul after play late first half negates 13-yard gain and first down at Harvard 30. Shoot self in foot?
That last PF was painful. Great momentum coming off the score and stop and then to get the first down and... oofa.
Quote from: TrotskyI'm sure Archer is a very nice man, but I'd never seen him in an interview before. He IS Generic Coach Man. His super power is jock platitudes.
My exact reaction.
Quote from: TrotskyAccording to the TV broadcasters, the Harvard QB "plays the game with his arm and legs." That may catch on.
I read that as a clearly phrased way of saying "dumb jock"?
6 minutes to go, up 17-14. I think H will still manage to win.
Really, how many times in recent years have we heard, "Third and 37 for Harvard"?
Well, I'll be damned. A football miracle.
"Jeff, your job is safe. For the week. Signed, the fans"
Jeez, it was Cornell doing all the right things like sacking the QB, getting a 6, 8-yard run for a first down when wearing down the clock, and making a last-play interception. Savor this game. Maybe it's the start of something.
Who didn't see that coming? :-P
Quote from: scoop85Who didn't see that coming? :-P
The Cantabs, for one. Enjoy the bus ride back.
The defense was great and the OL just hammered away and moved the ball downfield like it was the 1940's. I started watching at 14-7 and while there was a short stretch where I ... uh ... fell asleep ... the Red didn't try a single pass that wasn't a WR screen. Archer effectively gave up on having Banks throw downfield because the run game was moving the chains. It worked and it was great.
Credit to the defense for giving up less than 300 yards for the second week in a row. The pressure they were getting all through the 4th quarter was great. A lot of sacks, hits and hurries. On the desperation drive for Harvard, Cornell got a sack and forced a bad pass that became a tip drill, sideline-tiptoe INT to seal the win.
Great win. Don't know that it portends anything - especially if we're graduating a lot of players - but a lot of guys showed up to play today.
As for "plays with his hands and feet" why pretend that you don't know what that means. Peyton Manning played with his hands; Tim Tebow played with his feet.
Quote from: ugarteTim Tebow played with his feet.
3 nails + 1 cross = .4 slugging percentage* in single A.
* actually, .311
First win against H since 2005 if I'm reading it right.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleges/2017/10/07/harvard-stunned-cornell/lDc122q02GwkZPKy3LBfiM/story.html#comments
Quote from: Al DeFloriohttps://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleges/2017/10/07/harvard-stunned-cornell/lDc122q02GwkZPKy3LBfiM/story.html#comments
Money shot:
QuoteThe Crimson (2-2, 1-1 Ivy League) arrived having not allowed 100 yards rushing in a game to the Big Red (1-3, 1-1) since 2005. Then, Cornell ran for 233 yards. The Crimson arrived winners of 11 straight against the Big Red, who were winless, with twice as many turnovers (12) as total touchdowns (six). Cornell turned the ball over only once and quarterback Jake Jatis scored on a pair of 2-yard rushing touchdowns.
They ran the ball and didn't have 5 turnovers. They won.
Funny how that works. ::woot::
How long has it been since this has been in the extended box score:
Streak - W2
Let's hope Cornell can do it again today. And after today, we'll have reprieve for 51 weeks from hearing about "the battle of the 'Nells." Which sounds like a naming feud among two gold-rush bordellos.
[post game] If Providence allows Cornell only two more wins after Harvard, why spend them on non-Ivy foes?
Quote from: billhoward"the battle of the 'Nells."
http://www.craigboldman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/IMG_4436-768x1024.jpg
No Gellately OR Coles. COME ON.
At least Bucknell is missing their best DL.
The guy doing the play-by-play seems unaware that the yards gained, yard line and down-and-distance are the most important parts of his job. He'll say things like "long gain" and then not get any more specific and it's driving me nuts.
Down 10-3 at the half, second half kickoff upcoming.
EDIT: Cornell goes 65 yards after the kickoff to tie the game on a 9 yard fade from Jatis to Lizana.
Cornell declines a holding penalty on 3d & 17 and lets Bucknell take a 38 yard FG, which they hit. 13-10 Bucknell.
Cornell can't get a 1st down then Bucknell blocks the punt and takes over at the Cornell 24. Cornell D holds but gives up the FG. 16-10 Bucknell.
Cornell can't move the ball, punts. Gives up long passes on 3 straight 3d & long, the last one a 22 yard TD. 23-10 Bucknell.
I don't know what it's going to take to give Harley Kirsch a chance. Banks is taking this team nowhere.
Guess the Harvard game was an aberration.
We are now 10-35 under Coach Archer, & 2-10 in our last 12. For those who think Cornell can't win, Columbia is 5-0 this year.
I was thinking more of the Miss Kitty look, but this is good.
Let's see. One of the recommendations by Columbia's outside review of their football program was improved facilities. Al Bagnoli said their new indoor practice facility has made a big difference in their teams off season program as well as in their recruiting. No surprise Columbia is 5-0. Wake up Cornell trustees and President Pollack!
Quote from: ugarteCornell declines a holding penalty on 3d & 17 and lets Bucknell take a 38 yard FG, which they hit. 13-10 Bucknell.
Admittedly with no context of the game situation, that seems incredibly stupid given the general troubles college team have once you get outside of 40 yards or so. Were they scared they'd give up a first on 3rd and 27? If so, that's a whole 'nother issue.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: ugarteCornell declines a holding penalty on 3d & 17 and lets Bucknell take a 38 yard FG, which they hit. 13-10 Bucknell.
Admittedly with no context of the game situation, that seems incredibly stupid given the general troubles college team have once you get outside of 40 yards or so. Were they scared they'd give up a first on 3rd and 27? If so, that's a whole 'nother issue.
Typical poor in game managing by the HC.
FYI: Tickets to the Dartmouth vs Columbia game in Hanover are sold out! Meanwhile tickets are still available for Cornell's game with Brown in the battle of the cellar dwellers. ;-)
Why would you expect anything else? This staff has been ineffective for 4 years now. Seems to be a good 'ol boys network. Are there outside influences? They can't even figure out how to put the best eleven on the field. New gimmicks every week. Football isn't rocket science. Play your best eleven and execute. Put a game plan in place that utilizes the strengths of your team and adjust as necessary. In game adjustments are non-existent. The administration doesn't seem to care. I, for one, will not be sending any donations to the university or the football program until something changes.
Cornell will get their second win and possibly their final win of the season today. My prediction Cornell 28 Brown 17.
Columbia is up at Dartmouth, 22-7. If the Lions wins they will be 6-0, 3-0.
I for one welcome our new Manhattan overlords.
Martha Pollack wins the coin toss.
She is tiny.
Brown may suck, but we've been running a very nice offense against them all afternoon with consistent gains, a 13-0 lead in the third, and very strong D.
But as I say. They may just suck.
It's the Harold Coles Show.
27-0, early 4th.
Happy Homecoming! ::banana::
27-0 now. Awesome day.
Meanwhile, Columbia holds on to beat Dartmouth 22-17 and is alone in first place at 3-0 with Yale looking like the biggest challenge ahead of them.
Maybe Brown is the new Columbia
Quote from: scoop85Maybe Brown is the new Columbia
Quick review of the play-by-play: Brown has as many drives with negative yardage (2) as they do first downs.
Cornell back inside the 10 after a 60-yard Gellatly run. EDIT: Gellatly finishes off the drive with a 3-yard TD run. 34-0.
Quote from: scoop85Maybe Brown is the new Columbia
So long as it's not us.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: scoop85Maybe Brown is the new Columbia
So long as it's not us.
What great hire Columbia made in Al Bagnoli the ex-Penn coach. He has them undefeated with a nice win at Dartmouth.
Quote from: Ken711What great hire Columbia made in Al Bagnoli the ex-Penn coach. He has them undefeated with a nice win at Dartmouth.
These quick, dramatic turnarounds are the stuff of Ned Harkness Massive Cheating legend.
Columbia should enjoy their title before it's vacated.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711What great hire Columbia made in Al Bagnoli the ex-Penn coach. He has them undefeated with a nice win at Dartmouth.
These quick, dramatic turnarounds are the stuff of Ned Harkness Massive Cheating legend.
Columbia should enjoy their title before it's vacated.
Just shows what can be done when the WHOLE administration and the trustees are onboard. Columbia did it the right way with an outside consultant looking at their football program from coaching to facilities. End result, they make a great hire, and have a new indoor practice facility.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ken711What great hire Columbia made in Al Bagnoli the ex-Penn coach. He has them undefeated with a nice win at Dartmouth.
These quick, dramatic turnarounds are the stuff of Ned Harkness Massive Cheating legend.
Columbia should enjoy their title before it's vacated.
Wait. Columbia is stacking its football team with Canadians?
I was objectively mad at how bad the pass was on the Dalton Banks interception to start the second quarter - but before I even started typing, Gesualdi got a tip-drill pick and ran it back to the 10. Banks' pass to Notle was perfect and the game is tied 7-7.
Quote from: ugarteI was objectively mad at how bad the pass was on the Dalton Banks interception to start the second quarter - but before I even started typing, Gesualdi got a tip-drill pick and ran it back to the 10. Banks' pass to Notle was perfect and the game is tied 7-7.
21-7 now. Blow-out has officially begun.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: ugarteI was objectively mad at how bad the pass was on the Dalton Banks interception to start the second quarter - but before I even started typing, Gesualdi got a tip-drill pick and ran it back to the 10. Banks' pass to Notle was perfect and the game is tied 7-7.
21-7 now. Blow-out has officially begun.
The offense isn't terrible but Princeton is killing us on both lines. Kanoff is also a very good and confident QB, @illing to throw into small windows and the Tiger receivers expect the ball. We are losing to a good team.
21-10 at the half. Cornell takes the kickoff across midfield but on the first play, Banks tries to float a pass to an open receiver but doesn't get enough height on the throw and it's picked off. Come on man.
Quote from: ugarte21-10 at the half. Cornell takes the kickoff across midfield but on the first play, Banks tries to float a pass to an open receiver but doesn't get enough height on the throw and it's picked off. Come on man.
Same old, same old.
Who the hell keeps yelling in the background of the TV audio?
Defense holds, Cornell blows down the field and Walker scores from the 1. Alas, Walker then drops a 2-pt conversion. 21-16.
Defense holds again... but now a non-contact injury to Walker, probably his Achilles. Can't tell if they called it a fumble, but by college rules, I think his knee touched down before he dropped the ball (in agony). Literal insult added to injury if they call that a turnover. EDIT: They called him down by contact and then on the next play Jatis went deep and threw a jump-ball interception which worked OK as a punt I guess.
Quote from: French RageWho the hell keeps yelling in the background of the TV audio?
Sounds like the little kids from Ingalls. Great argument for birth control.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageWho the hell keeps yelling in the background of the TV audio?
Sounds like the little kids from Ingalls. Great argument for birth control.
May you never take a break from protecting your lawn.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageWho the hell keeps yelling in the background of the TV audio?
Sounds like the little kids from Ingalls. Great argument for birth control.
May you never take a break from protecting your lawn.
Townhouse, now, but if the fuckers get to my porch there's a fragmentation grenade waiting.
I love Halloween.
Princeton's offense is relentless. A QB in thy Ivies who can throw timing passes and crossing patterns is unfair, especially when he's got the best receiver in the conference to throw to. 28-16.
Cornell takes the kickoff back to the 45 and then rips off a 15 yard catch-and-run. 3d & 8, though, after a WR screen on 2nd down forces the receiver to drop to a knee to catch the ball ... which is not a good idea in college football.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageWho the hell keeps yelling in the background of the TV audio?
Sounds like the little kids from Ingalls. Great argument for birth control.
Earlier it sounded like some angry old guy. But it might have been the Princeton coach.
Makin' a game of it.
Quote from: ugartePrinceton's offense is relentless. A QB in thy Ivies who can throw timing passes and crossing patterns is unfair, especially when he's got the best receiver in the conference to throw to. 28-16.
That last P TD was gorgeous, like something out of the SEC.
Was Walker badly hurt?
Didn't realize PU was the #1 rushing D. This has been impressive. Jatis is a great weapon. If Banks got his accuracy back we'd have a helluva offense.
Quote from: TrotskyWas Walker badly hurt?
We'll see ... but it looked bad. Maybe it was a cramp and he'll be OK but I'm concerned. He hasn't returned.
Gellaty and Coles have been amazing though. A drive inside that 10 that ended in a short FG followed by a great interception on an underthrown ball at the 50 and then a series of great runs ending in a Jatis TD. 28-26 with plenty of time left if the defense can hold again.
Good hold.
Gellatly has looked like his brother lately. Dunno what got into him but hopefully we kept the prescription.
Oh man - Null blasts a 43 yarder that would have been good from 50 and Cornell is up 29-28 with 48 seconds left.
Null puts it through the end zone and Princeton takes over at the 20 with no time outs.
And it will come down to a 44-yd FG attempt for Princeton...
Missed! Not even close! (Maybe blocked?)
First place.
At 3-1 in conference, we're tied with Columbia and Penn at the top!
Quote from: French RageAt 3-1 in conference, we're tied with Columbia and Penn at the top!
Yale, not Penn.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Good freakin' God! ::thud::
Who had Cornell versus Columbia for the Ivy League title?
**crickets**
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: French RageAt 3-1 in conference, we're tied with Columbia and Penn at the top!
Yale, not Penn.
My bad!
Quote from: French RageMissed! Not even close! (Maybe blocked?)
Just shanked. Given the kickoffs - low, and short of the end zone - I think 45 is the edge of his range, so he had to put extra mustard on it and mishit the ball badly.
I still can't get over Nick Null blasting one through like Justin Tucker, Dead center from 43 and it hit the net waaaaaaaay over the crossbar. And his kickoffs kept going out of the back of the end zone. He may have a future in kicking.
why is this kid not kicking for a D1 school?
said he kicked 67 in practice?
Quote from: ugarteI still can't get over Nick Null blasting one through like Justin Tucker, Dead center from 43 and it hit the net waaaaaaaay over the crossbar.
Dead center and prolly good from 55. Amazing.
Fast Times at Hangover High (https://deadspin.com/dartmouth-football-coach-punches-hole-in-window-over-mu-1819943581).
Quote from: upprdeckwhy is this kid not kicking for a D1 school?
said he kicked 67 in practice?
Good question. It's not as if his performance is a surprise: in high school he was ranked 13th best kicker in the country (http://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=42502).
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: upprdeckwhy is this kid not kicking for a D1 school?
said he kicked 67 in practice?
Good question. It's not as if his performance is a surprise: in high school he was ranked 13th best kicker in the country (http://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=42502).
If Archer can for sure do one thing, it's recruit kickers - Mays was ranked 11th the year before (http://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=43692&path=football). For the second year in a row, Mays has gotten injured and opened a spot for Null as starting kicker. I don't know how long Mays is out for or if it will even matter after that game from Null. Mays has missed an XP and a 21 yard FG and his kickoffs have also been worse. Null is 10 for 10 getting touchbacks while Mays was 13 for 21 and even shanked two out of bounds.
Yeah, it's possible that Mays has been Wally Pipped
Congratulations to Coach Archer and the entire Cornell team. Anyone with any interest in Cornell sports would have enjoyed the post game show on NBC Sports--what excitement and joy these kids demonstrated, especially when not much was expected of them this season.
I couldn't help but be reminded, during the interview with the coach, of the old "Chris Farley Show" on Saturday Night Live. "Remember...remember when we beat Princeton? That was awesome."
Cornell (3-4, 3-1) goes into Hanover (5-2, 2-2). Walker is still out.
Quote from: TrotskyCornell (3-4, 3-1) goes into Hanover (5-2, 2-2). Walker is still out.
Walker's out for a year.
Screen graphic calls us "BIG REDS."::rolleyes::
Keen-eyed Dartmouth announcer calls Null a "left-footed kicker."
Good drive by Dartmouth helped by an unfortunate 15-yarder against Cornell.
Fun to be watching relevant Cornell football in November. This has only been the case about 9 times in my 37 years as a fan.
Cornell : Football :: Brown : Hockey
We look like our old, awful selves so far.
Our leading rusher is Gellatly. 5 carries for 8 yards. Team is 16 carries for 12 yards.
D looks great, though.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioWe look like our old, awful selves so far.
We're playing a 5-2 team on their field. Not going to be easy.
Quote from: TrotskyOur leading rusher is Gellatly. 5 carries for 8 yards. Team is 16 carries for 12 yards.
D looks great, though.
Not getting close to passer.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyOur leading rusher is Gellatly. 5 carries for 8 yards. Team is 16 carries for 12 yards.
D looks great, though.
Not getting close to passer.
But good coverage on the receivers.
Stupid Ryder Stone. Stupid white Ivy halfbacks.
If we give the ball back here I am going to be very angry indeed.
OK, well, I'll take being down just one score at the half.
Meanwhile:
Yale 34 Brown 7 (last night, final)
Harvard 14 Columbia 7 (halftime)
Penn 24 Princeton 7 (3rd)
If all scores hold:
4-1 Yale
3-2 Cornell
3-2 Columbia
3-2 Dartmouth
3-2 Harvard
If we can flip ours:
4-1 Cornell
4-1 Yale
3-2 Columbia
3-2 Harvard
Lucky to be down only 7 at the half.
O-line getting stuffed.
Why do we keep throwing 30 yards downfield on 3rd and 7 or 8?
Banks now 8 for 25. Unlike Princeton, Dartmouth ready for the run with Jatis at QB.
Will Cornell win another game that is question.
Quote from: Ken711Will Cornell win another game that is question.
They gave up 10 points. The fatalism here is crazy. This has been a good year.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Will Cornell win another game that is question.
They gave up 10 points. The fatalism here is crazy. This has been a good year.
We're certainly more competitive, and the improvement on defense has been encouraging. The past few years our defense was blown off the ball, and that's not happening anymore.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Will Cornell win another game that is question.
They gave up 10 points. The fatalism here is crazy. This has been a good year.
We're certainly more competitive, and the improvement on defense has been encouraging. The past few years our defense was blown off the ball, and that's not happening anymore.
4-6 last year. Would you consider a possible 3-7 record an improvement even if the defense if playing better?
I think this Ivy league season would be well served with the following results:
Next Week: D>B, Pn>H, Pr>Y, Cr>Cl
Final WeeK:H>Y, Cl>B Pn>Cr, Pr>D
Final Standings a 7-way tie for Ivy title at 4-3, Brown 0-8.
I guess I could live with it if Cr>Pn
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Ken711Will Cornell win another game that is question.
They gave up 10 points. The fatalism here is crazy. This has been a good year.
We're certainly more competitive, and the improvement on defense has been encouraging. The past few years our defense was blown off the ball, and that's not happening anymore.
4-6 last year. Would you consider a possible 3-7 record an improvement even if the defense if playing better?
yes tbh
Bend-but-don't-break defense lets Columbia into the red zone twice but a strip-sack and a stalled drive held Columbia to a 3-0 lead. Cornell went three-and-out on the first two drives but a solid third drive gets Cornell a field goal try ... that hits the upright. Still 3-0 Lions, early in Q2.
Columbia returns the favor by missing a FG but their defense holds and forces another Null punt, then drives into the red zone again but is held to a FG again. 6-0 with under a minute left in the first half.
17-0 Columbia. FIRE ARCHER!!!
Shut out the last 2 games. Enough is enough....get rid of this whole staff.
Got a touchdown in garbage time. Remember that old hockey cheer? "IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!"
I think they might have set a record for most penalties in one possession on that first drive of the game. Zero discipline.
Quote from: TimVGot a touchdown in garbage time. Remember that old hockey cheer? "IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!"
I think they might have set a record for most penalties in one possession on that first drive of the game. Zero discipline.
Garbage TD but effectively shutout at home when it counted. This team will end up 3-7, FIRE ARCHER!!!
Quote from: Ken71117-0 Columbia. FIRE ARCHER!!!
Check see how happy Jason Garrett is coaching the Cowboys?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken71117-0 Columbia. FIRE ARCHER!!!
Check see how happy Jason Garrett is coaching the Cowboys?
David Archer has a .324 winning percentage so far in almost 5 years as head coach.
http://www.voy.com/152805/166026.html
Archer's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
Quote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
Yikes worse than I thought. ::wow::
Quote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
What is Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years? I would not be surprised if it was under .400.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
What is Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years? I would not be surprised if it was under .400.
Nope. 130 years of Cornell football total win-loss record 646–522–33 (.552)
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
What is Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years? I would not be surprised if it was under .400.
Nope. 130 years of Cornell football total win-loss record 646–522–33 (.552)
No, Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years isn't under .400 because it's .552 for the last 130 years...?
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
What is Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years? I would not be surprised if it was under .400.
Nope. 130 years of Cornell football total win-loss record 646–522–33 (.552)
No, Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years isn't under .400 because it's .552 for the last 130 years...?
Law of Large Numbers
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
What is Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years? I would not be surprised if it was under .400.
Feel free to double check my math, but I have Cornell at 156-209-2 since I-AA was formed in the early 80's. That's a winning percentage of .427 (not counting the ties).
Since the Ivy League was formed, it's 256-328-7, which is a .438 percentage (again, not counting ties).
Basically,in the Ivy era, Cornell has had three FB coaches with a winning record: Musick, Hofer, Mangurian.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Ken711Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: CASArcher's career win percentage as head coach is actually .245 (12-37).
What is Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years? I would not be surprised if it was under .400.
Nope. 130 years of Cornell football total win-loss record 646–522–33 (.552)
No, Cornell's winning percentage for the last 50 years isn't under .400 because it's .552 for the last 130 years...?
Law of Large Numbers
And you win the thread.
For all those interested.
http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2016/5/4/football-year-by-year-results.aspx
The Cornell administration either has to get serious and support this team sport or just drop it. Columbia finally came to their senses and brought in an outside consultant to do a top to bottom review on what needed to be done to field a highly competitive team. I don't see why not Cornell can't do the same.
Quote from: Ken711For all those interested.
http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2016/5/4/football-year-by-year-results.aspx
The Cornell administration either has to get serious and support this team sport or just drop it. Columbia finally came to their senses and brought in an outside consultant to do a top to bottom review on what needed to be done to field a highly competitive team. I don't see why not Cornell can't do the same.
Consultant gets lost and wanders about, he'll wind up with manure on his shoes. At Columbia, the only danger was stepping on a used syringe.
Interesting Cornell had a winning program from 1983-2000 (we were 13 games over .500 in the Ivies over this period). Since then our record has been abysmal. We can win with the right leadership & institutional support. Btw Andy was named AD in 1999.
Quote from: billhowardConsultant gets lost and wanders about, he'll wind up with manure on his shoes. At Columbia, the only danger was stepping on a used syringe.
Rural drug abuse is now higher than urban drug abuse.
Quote from: Ken711For all those interested.
http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2016/5/4/football-year-by-year-results.aspx
The Cornell administration either has to get serious and support this team sport or just drop it. Columbia finally came to their senses and brought in an outside consultant to do a top to bottom review on what needed to be done to field a highly competitive team. I don't see why not Cornell can't do the same.
I couldn't resist grabbing that w/l/t data by year and looking for the best 50-year stretch. 1891-1940 with a rate of 0.681. That's counting ties as half a win. Best decade was 1914-1923 at 0.776, though that includes 1918, when there was no team. See attached graph.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardConsultant gets lost and wanders about, he'll wind up with manure on his shoes. At Columbia, the only danger was stepping on a used syringe.
Rural drug abuse is now higher than urban drug abuse.
I was thinking the same thing. Our stereotypes die hard.
Setting aside the statistics, Bill Howard, thats just a remarkably douche-y thing to write
Cornell up 10-7 on Penn early in second quarter. Cornell fumbles ball away at midfield, Penn TD in closing seconds of first half puts Quakers up 21-10. Cornell living and dying by the turnover today.
Lots of turnovers. Cornell keeps it close. Cannot punch in the tying TD on the game's final play. Penn 29, Cornell 22. We finish 3-4 in the Ivies. Wish it ended better for the seniors.
Yale wins the league title outright, 7-1, only loss 28-27 to Dartmouth. Columbia and Dartmouth second at 5-2.
Quote from: billhowardCornell up 10-7 on Penn early in second quarter.
No more. Now 14-10 Penn. Can't stop wide running plays. Two Cornell picks or it would be a rout.
21-10 at the half.
Quote from: George6421-10 at the half.
Penn's offense is so creative and fluid while Cornell's is so stagnant and predictable. You would think someone on the Cornell staff would open his eyes and say "why don't we do that."
Are those different helmets? They look like a flat matte and are very 1950s -- I love them.
Quote from: TrotskyAre those different helmets? They look like a flat matte and are very 1950s -- I love them.
Believe Cornell has had matte helmets before this year. You'll see Harvard has a very-matte helmet if you flip to CNBC.
Yep. At least the third season with them. On TV appears to be a deeper hue this year, but matte finish nonetheless. Or, considering team performance, eggshell. I prefer gloss.
Because we don't recruit like that?
Quote from: TimVBecause we don't recruit like that?
I prefer to think it's because the football team doesn't know how to finish.
Don't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
No Jatis, no win.
That was a hell of a finish. 29-22 loss but Cornell stopped after getting 1st-and-goal from the 2 with 18 seconds left.Agree that a run on 1st down from the 3 with no TOs left was a dubious choice.
Impressive to come back from 21-10 to take the lead but after pinning Penn at their own 3 with a great punt, they give up a 97 yard TD drive. Rough loss to close the year. Also agreed that 3d and 15 from the 23 is better than 2d and 20 from the 18.
Great games from Shaw, Gesualidi and Coles a good game from Banks and as good a game as you could ask for out of Jones - 3(!) interceptions but I-AA All-American Watson had 13 catches for 192 yards, so...
Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This staff cannot manage the clock or the game. It's been demonstrated time and time again. Cornell needs new leadership or it's doomed to remain in the bottom of the Ivy League standings again next year.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This staff cannot manage the clock or the game. It's been demonstrated time and time again. Cornell needs new leadership or it's doomed to remain in the bottom of the Ivy League standings again next year.
I know most are really negative and because I don't follow closely I'm wondering how much the injury bug hurt this year. Even the Penn announcers mentioned this today.
Quote from: martyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This staff cannot manage the clock or the game. It's been demonstrated time and time again. Cornell needs new leadership or it's doomed to remain in the bottom of the Ivy League standings again next year.
I know most are really negative and because I don't follow closely I'm wondering how much the injury bug hurt this year. Even the Penn announcers mentioned this today.
Was the guy calling plays injured?::barf::
When the other guys convert 12 of 16 3rd and 4th down attempts you're gonna be in trouble.
Quote from: martyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This staff cannot manage the clock or the game. It's been demonstrated time and time again. Cornell needs new leadership or it's doomed to remain in the bottom of the Ivy League standings again next year.
I know most are really negative and because I don't follow closely I'm wondering how much the injury bug hurt this year. Even the Penn announcers mentioned this today.
Archer claimed he finally had depth at positions. Cole at RB was a good example. Where were his carries in the Columbia and Dartmouth games? It's game planing, half-time adjustments and clock management which are sorely lacking with this staff. Columbia finished 8-2 in Al Bagnoli's 3rd year. Archer is 12-38 in 5 years!
Quote from: martyQuote from: Ken711Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This staff cannot manage the clock or the game. It's been demonstrated time and time again. Cornell needs new leadership or it's doomed to remain in the bottom of the Ivy League standings again next year.
I know most are really negative and because I don't follow closely I'm wondering how much the injury bug hurt this year. Even the Penn announcers mentioned this today.
You think Archer had a
brain injury??? We'll have to check for the Tau protein.
If Jeff Archer's tenure is in question in the world of football, not just here, then it has to be clarified soon so recruiting doesn't suffer. A HS senior player choosing among Cornell, Lehigh, Penn would like to know who's going to be head coach. Not that players are the last word, but I'm curious how they feel about Archer as a coach. Good story for the Daily Sun to track.
Quote from: billhowardIf Jeff Archer's tenure is in question in the world of football, not just here, then it has to be clarified soon so recruiting doesn't suffer. A HS senior player choosing among Cornell, Lehigh, Penn would like to know who's going to be head coach. Not that players are the last word, but I'm curious how they feel about Archer as a coach. Good story for the Daily Sun to track.
I'm sure a good portion of the recruiting has already taken place, even if David (Jeff) Archer is removed. I feeling a AN will bring him back for a 6 year, not that Cornell is going to challenge for the Ivy title in 2018.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardIf Jeff Archer's tenure is in question in the world of football, not just here, then it has to be clarified soon so recruiting doesn't suffer. A HS senior player choosing among Cornell, Lehigh, Penn would like to know who's going to be head coach. Not that players are the last word, but I'm curious how they feel about Archer as a coach. Good story for the Daily Sun to track.
I'm sure a good portion of the recruiting has already taken place, even if David (Jeff) Archer is removed. I feeling a AN will bring him back for a 6 year, not that Cornell is going to challenge for the Ivy title in 2018.
When Ben DeLuca was turned free, a good deal of the recruiting had been done, but players still chose to go elsewhere when it came for them to commit as students in the April-May period.
Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This. Both of these were unbelievably stupid decisions. Truly mind boggling at the D1 level.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This. Both of these were unbelievably stupid decisions. Truly mind boggling at the D1 level.
Cornell always seems to make one head scratching call at a critical junction in a close game, The staff either panics or is ill prepared....take your choice.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This. Both of these were unbelievably stupid decisions. Truly mind boggling at the D1 level.
Stupid when it doesn't work out. Duffy Daugherty of Michigan State said (this was a long time ago), "Anybody can tell me the play we should have run on Monday morning. I've got 20 seconds and there's 100,000 people in the stadium screaming at the top of their lungs." Although Tom Brady seems to have adapted nicely.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This. Both of these were unbelievably stupid decisions. Truly mind boggling at the D1 level.
Stupid when it doesn't work out. Duffy Daugherty of Michigan State said (this was a long time ago), "Anybody can tell me the play we should have run on Monday morning. I've got 20 seconds and there's 100,000 people in the stadium screaming at the top of their lungs." Although Tom Brady seems to have adapted nicely.
I generally agree with the sentiment but giving the opponent 2nd and 20 rather than 3rd and 15 is stupid even if it does work out. Likewise running the ball with 20 seconds and no time outs. Even if he had made it in the end zone, I still would be genuinely shocked they called the play and questioned the thought process.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CU2007Quote from: TimVDon't know why Archer chooses to accept a penalty that gives the offense (that has shredded him all day) an extra down that leads to the TD that beats him- then runs the ball with 17 seconds left and no TOs ensuring only one more chance to score. Jeez.
This. Both of these were unbelievably stupid decisions. Truly mind boggling at the D1 level.
Stupid when it doesn't work out. Duffy Daugherty of Michigan State said (this was a long time ago), "Anybody can tell me the play we should have run on Monday morning. I've got 20 seconds and there's 100,000 people in the stadium screaming at the top of their lungs." Although Tom Brady seems to have adapted nicely.
I generally agree with the sentiment but giving the opponent 2nd and 20 rather than 3rd and 15 is stupid even if it does work out. Likewise running the ball with 20 seconds and no time outs. Even if he had made it in the end zone, I still would be genuinely shocked they called the play and questioned the thought process.
eh if he got in you literally never would have thought about it because you wouldn't have been forced to
+1. Success doesn't make it smart. It makes it lucky.
[Nick] http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/11/21/football-gesualdis-first-team-nod-highlights-seven-all-ivy-picks.aspx (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/11/21/football-gesualdis-first-team-nod-highlights-seven-all-ivy-picks.aspx)
Quote from: CornellThe Cornell football team earned seven All-Ivy League nods, including a unanimous first-team selection for senior safety Nick Gesualdi, when the conference awards were announced on Tuesday afternoon. Sophomore Nickolas Null was the second-team place-kicker and honorable mention punter, senior linebacker Kurt Frimel and junior offensive lineman Jay Edward Keating were second-team picks and junior DJ Woullard and sophomore David Jones, both defensive backs, were honorable mention team members.
8 from Yale on the first team. 3 from Columbia plus coach of the year. Player of the year gets announced later.
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
*Zane Dudek, Yale (Fr., RB – Kittanning, Pa.)
COACH OF THE YEAR
AL Bagnoli, Columbia
FIRST-TEAM ALL-IVY
Offense
Jon Bezney, Yale (Sr., OL – Cincinnati)
Matt Kaskey, Dartmouth (Jr., OL – Winnetka, Ill.)
Nathan Kirchmier, Penn (Sr., OL – Pembroke Pines, Fla.)
Karl Marback, Yale (Sr., OL – Birmingham, Mich.)
Mitchell Sweigart, Princeton (Sr., OL – Washington Boro, Pa.)
*Chad Kanoff, Princeton (Sr., QB – Pacific Palisades, Calif.)
*Zane Dudek, Yale (Fr., RB – Kittanning, Pa.)
Charlie Booker III, Harvard (Jr., RB – Houston)
*Jesper Horsted, Princeton (Jr., WR – Shoreview, Minn.)
Josh Wainwright, Columbia (Jr., WR – Austin, Texas)
*Justin Watson, Penn (Sr., WR – Bridgeville, Pa.)
Jaeden Graham, Yale (Sr., TE – Aurora, Colo.)
Defense
John Herubin, Yale (Sr., DL – Coppell, Texas)
Lord Hyeamang, Columbia (Sr., DL – Lakeville, Minn.)
*Richard Jarvis, Brown (Sr., DE – Watertown, Mass.)
Louis Vecchio, Penn (Sr., DE – Orange, Calif.)
Tom Johnson, Princeton (Jr., LB – Moorestown, N.J.)
Nick Miller, Penn (Jr., LB – New Market, Md.)
*Matthew Oplinger, Yale (Sr., LB – Summit, N.J.)
*Jack Traynor, Dartmouth (Sr., LB – Lake Forest, Ill.)
Hayden Carlson, Yale (Sr., DB – Glen Ellyn, Ill.)
*Nick Gesualdi, Cornell (Sr., S – Sykesville, Md.)
Cameron Roane, Columbia (Sr., DB – Durham, N.C.)
Spencer Rymiszewski, Yale (Sr., DB – West Chester, Pa.)
Special Teams
Jack Soslow, Penn (Jr., K – Bryn Mawr, Pa.)
Parker Thome, Columbia (Sr., P – Hortonville, Wis.)
*Justice Shelton-Mosley, Harvard (Jr., WR/RS – Sacramento, Calif.)
SECOND-TEAM ALL-IVY^
Offense
Eric Ramirez, Princeton (Sr., OL – York, Pa.)
Patrick Kilcommons, Dartmouth (Jr., OL – Berwyn, Ill.)
J. Edward Keating, Cornell (Jr., OL – Birmingham, Mich.)
Anders Huizenga, Yale (Sr., OL – Trophy Club, Texas)
Christian Montano, Brown (Sr., OL – Orange, Conn.)
Clay Eubank, Brown (Sr., OL – Coto De Caza, Calif.)
Bewley Wales, Columbia (Sr., OL – Tulsa, Okla.)
Tommy Dennis, Penn (Jr., OT – East Setauket, N.Y.)
Reily Radosevich, Princeton (So., OL – Manalapan, N.J.)
Sterling Strother, Yale (So., OL – Moraga, Calif.)
Anders Hill, Columbia (Sr., QB – Boulder, Colo.)
Tre Solomon, Penn (Sr., RB – Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Charlie Volker, Princeton (Jr., RB – Fair Haven, N.J.)
Stephen Carlson, Princeton (Jr., WR – Jamestown, N.Y.)
Hunter Hagdorn, Dartmouth (So., WR – Manvel, Texas)
Chris Williams-Lopez, Yale (Sr., WR – Duluth, Ga.)
Nick Bokun, Penn (Sr., TE – Hobart, Ind.)
Defense
Charles Callender, Yale (So., DE – Cutler Bay, Fla.)
Stone Hart, Harvard (Sr., DT – Olympia, Wash.)
Kyle Mullen, Yale (Jr., DE – Manalapan, N.J.)
Nick Tomkins, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Matawan, N.J.)
Kurt Frimel, Cornell (Sr., LB – Cream Ridge, N.J.)
Luke Hutton, Harvard (Sr., LB – Austin, Texas)
Eric Meile, Dartmouth (Sr., LB – Ramsey, N.J.)
Foyesade Oluokun, Yale (Sr., LB – St. Louis)
Landon Baty, Columbia (Sr., DB – Mountain View, Calif.)
Tanner Lee, Harvard (Sr., S – Spanish Fort, Ala.)
Danny McManus, Dartmouth (Sr., DB – Mendota Heights, Minn.)
Sam Philippi, Penn (Jr., DB – Trabuco Canyon, Calif.)
Isiah Swann, Dartmouth (So., DB – Queen Creek, Ariz.)
Special Teams
Nickolas Null, Cornell (So., K – Bradenton, Fla.)
Alex Galland, Yale (Jr., P – Bakersfield, Calif.)
Tiger Bech, Princeton (So., WR/RS – Lafayette, La.)
HONORABLE MENTION
Offense
Jack Anderson, Dartmouth (Sr., OL – Palo Alto, Calif.)
Greg Begnoche, Penn (So., OT – Delray Beach, Fla.)
Dieter Eiselen, Yale (So., OL – Stellenbosch, South Africa)
Markham Paukune, Columbia (Sr., OL – Fort Worth, Texas)
Jack Heneghan, Dartmouth (Sr., QB – Atherton, Calif.)
Kurt Rawlings, Yale (So., QB – Bel Air, Md.)
Karekin Brooks, Penn (So., RB – Marietta, Ga.)
Deshawn Salter, Yale (Sr., RB – Syracuse, N.Y.)
Ryder Stone, Dartmouth (Sr., RB – Calgary, Alberta, Canada)
Jakob Prall, Brown (So., WR – Tipp City, Ohio)
Justice Shelton-Mosley, Harvard (Jr., WR/RS – Sacramento, Calif.)
Ronald Smith II, Columbia (So., WR – St. Louis)
Graham Adaomitis, Princeton (Jr., TE – Ross Township, Pa.)
Stephen Johnston, Dartmouth (Sr., TE – Potomac, Md.)
Defense
Rocco Di Leo, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Elmhurst, Ill.)
Kurt Holuba, Princeton (Sr., DL – Ho-Ho-Kus, N.J.)
Dominic Perkovic, Columbia (Sr., DL – Bloomfield Hills, Mich.)
Charlie Pontarelli, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Glenview, Ill.)
Richie Ryan, Harvard (Jr., DT – Pittsburgh)
Jay Cammon, Jr., Penn (Jr., LB – Landover, Md.)
Colton Moskal, Penn (Sr., LB – Lake Zurich, Ill.)
Michael Murphy, Columbia (So., LB – Tampa, Fla.)
Colin Boit, Dartmouth (Jr., DB – Sammamish, Wash.)
Connor Coughlin, Brown (Sr., FS – Medford, N.Y.)
Malcolm Dixon, Yale (So., DB – Gardena, Calif.)
Jason Alessi, Yale (Sr., DB – Bloomfield Hills, Mich.)
David Jones, Cornell (So., DB – Sugar Land, Texas)
C.J. Wall, Princeton (Fr., DB – Plano, Texas)
DJ Woullard, Cornell (JR., DB – Fullerton, Calif.)
Special Teams
David Smith, Dartmouth (Sr., K – Montreal)
Hunter Kelley, Penn (Sr., P – Huntington Beach, Calif.)
Nickolas Null, Cornell (So., P – Bradenton, Fla.)
Will Allen, Columbia (Fr., DB/RS – Pembroke Pines, Fla.)
*-unanimous decision
^-second team expanded due to ties in the voting
Love that Nick Null was Second Team as PK and Honorable Mention as P. Also, good luck to Gesualdi; I hope he gets to see an NFL training camp.
Cornell is playing at Delaware again in 2018. What kind of dumb scheduling is that. Chalk up another loss in that game.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell is playing at Delaware again in 2018. What kind of dumb scheduling is that. Chalk up another loss in that game.
Aren't the schedules made years in advance? I honestly don't know about Cornell, but the big time schools have already announced games 20 years in the future. Syracuse and Notre Dame will be playing in 2038 FYI.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Ken711Cornell is playing at Delaware again in 2018. What kind of dumb scheduling is that. Chalk up another loss in that game.
Aren't the schedules made years in advance? I honestly don't know about Cornell, but the big time schools have already announced games 20 years in the future. Syracuse and Notre Dame will be playing in 2038 FYI.
I think he means "scheduling a road and road series".
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: CU2007Quote from: Ken711Cornell is playing at Delaware again in 2018. What kind of dumb scheduling is that. Chalk up another loss in that game.
Aren't the schedules made years in advance? I honestly don't know about Cornell, but the big time schools have already announced games 20 years in the future. Syracuse and Notre Dame will be playing in 2038 FYI.
I think he means "scheduling a road and road series".
Exactly, against an opponent that cruised over Cornell this year.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: Ken711Cornell is playing at Delaware again in 2018. What kind of dumb scheduling is that. Chalk up another loss in that game.
Aren't the schedules made years in advance? I honestly don't know about Cornell, but the big time schools have already announced games 20 years in the future. Syracuse and Notre Dame will be playing in 2038 FYI.
I hope I'll be around. I hope I'll still enjoy watching hockey. I don't hate ND and Syracuse (nor BU and that team that sucks) as much as I did back in 74. I hope I can still remember hating them in 38.
For all the displeasure expressed here with the football coach, there has been no parting of ways with Jeff Archer. Usually that happens as soon as the season ends. So, to paraphrase Richard Nixon, we'll have Jeff David Archer to kick around some more.
Quote from: billhowardFor all the displeasure expressed here with the football coach, there has been no parting of ways with Jeff Archer. Usually that happens as soon as the season ends. So, to paraphrase Richard Nixon, we'll have Jeff Archer to kick around some more.
Maybe he'll do better as Jeff than he did as David.::bolt::
Perhaps take up writing novels
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardFor all the displeasure expressed here with the football coach, there has been no parting of ways with Jeff Archer. Usually that happens as soon as the season ends. So, to paraphrase Richard Nixon, we'll have Jeff Archer to kick around some more.
Maybe he'll do better as Jeff than he did as David.::bolt::
It's a low bar that you need to meet to be the Cornell head football coach. Let's see what next season brings. Can they win at least 4 Ivy games next season to show progress? We'll see, I have my doubts.
Quote from: ITHACA, N.Y. – David Archer '05, the Roger J. Weiss '61 Head Coach of Cornell Football, has signed a contract extension with additional performance-based incentives to remain at his alma mater.
\\"I am enthusiastic that Coach Archer will continue to lead our football program into the future,\\" said Andy Noel, the Meakem*Smith Director of Athletics and Physical Education. \\"David's plan to rebuild our Big Red football from the ground up has gained momentum with Ivy wins this past season over Harvard, Brown and Princeton. He has my full support.\\"
\\"Coach Archer's tenure has embodied the values of Cornell and the Ivy League by promoting a holistic student-athlete experience. I am pleased at the progress that is being made on the field as well as the positive culture that he has established in the program and among the student-athletes\\" said Vice President for Student & Campus Life Ryan Lombardi. \\"I am pleased that David will continue to lead our program and build upon the progress that has been made.\\"
Archer has shown significant progress in improving the Big Red's Ivy League record each of the past three seasons, with an upward trajectory that has methodically improved the program. In the process, Archer and his staff have developed 30 All-Ivy selections, two Ivy League Rookies of the Year, three Academic All-Americans and four FCS All-Americans in his five seasons.
In 2016, Cornell earned its first top 25 win since 2007 and first road victory over a ranked team in 66 seasons when it defeated No. 25 Colgate. The team's three Ivy wins in 2017 were the most since 2011 and tied for the best Ivy record in more than a decade. The Big Red defeated both Ivy League preseason co-favorites, Princeton and Harvard, defeating the Crimson for the first time in 12 years. The Big Red's non-conference schedule (Delaware, Patriot League co-champ Colgate and Bucknell) also proved to be the most challenging in the conference, with those three teams posting a 19-14 record. The 2018 season will open at the University of Delaware on September 15.
The Daily Sun story on the extension adds that Archer is 12-38 overall, & his 3-7 record last year is the same record as Archer's first season.
Quote from: CASThe Daily Sun story on the extension adds that Archer is 12-38 overall, & his 3-7 record last year is the same record as Archer's first season.
We'll see how well this extension plays if Cornell can't win more than 3 Ivy games next season. I don't think they care about non-league games.
Both Cornell's release and the Sun's story don't say how long the extension is for. Not sure how healthy a contract extension is if it's just for one year. But Cornell is on record saying there has been upward trajectory and believes it can continue. Not easy to write a fulfilling press release when the 5-year record is 12-38. Let's hope for better times.
On this forum I have heard posts that say Archer is disliked and others say he's liked. I talked to a couple of parents of the broad football family and they say Archer is generally well-regarded by the players. That is good.
Quote from: billhowardBoth Cornell's release and the Sun's story don't say how long the extension is for. Not sure how healthy a contract extension is if it's just for one year. But Cornell is on record saying there has been upward trajectory and believes it can continue. Not easy to write a fulfilling press release when the 5-year record is 12-38. Let's hope for better times.
On this forum I have heard posts that say Archer is disliked and others say he's liked. I talked to a couple of parents of the broad football family and they say Archer is generally well-regarded by the players. That is good.
Bill I think you are spot on. Archer is well liked by the players and the AD. However, if this program can't improve the Ivy wins is that acceptable by the Cornell administration? We will see if CONTINUED improvement occurs this season. All his recruits are now full entrenched in starting positions, so how much time does he need to at the very least produce a winning record in the Ivy League, I'm not even talking about winning the championship,
Cornell was in control of its destiny this past season after wins against Harvard and Princeton.
If it weren't for injuries sustained by key offensive players the record may have been stronger and more indicative of sustained improvement.
Dartmouth just got a QB transferring from the University of Florida, who was ranked the 23rd top pro style QB in his HS class. He is immediately eligible to play. Why does Cornell football never get any impact transfers, despite the university enrolling many transfers students?
Quote from: CASDartmouth just got a QB transferring from the University of Florida, who was ranked the 23rd top pro style QB in his HS class. He is immediately eligible to play. Why does Cornell football never get any impact transfers, despite the university enrolling many transfers students?
A few years ago we did get a QB transfer from Cal who was highly regarded out of HS, but IIRC he primarily ran the wildcat.
Quote from: CASDartmouth just got a QB transferring from the University of Florida, who was ranked the 23rd top pro style QB in his HS class. He is immediately eligible to play. Why does Cornell football never get any impact transfers, despite the university enrolling many transfers students?
Penn and Harvard have had huge success with transfers.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CASDartmouth just got a QB transferring from the University of Florida, who was ranked the 23rd top pro style QB in his HS class. He is immediately eligible to play. Why does Cornell football never get any impact transfers, despite the university enrolling many transfers students?
Penn and Harvard have had huge success with transfers.
Yale, too.