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Title: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 04, 2017, 06:21:56 PM
The Whiteout at Houston Field House: http://rpitv.org/productions/1208-mens-hockey-vs-cornell
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: andyw2100 on February 04, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
RPITV is normally excellent. This broadcast has the video lagging the audio by six or seven seconds. I have written to them. I assume everyone is experiencing the same lag, right?
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: dbilmes on February 04, 2017, 07:15:54 PM
Quote from: andyw2100RPITV is normally excellent. This broadcast has the video lagging the audio by six or seven seconds. I have written to them. I assume everyone is experiencing the same lag, right?
Makes me glad I'm not only one with that problem.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: andyw2100 on February 04, 2017, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: dbilmes
Quote from: andyw2100RPITV is normally excellent. This broadcast has the video lagging the audio by six or seven seconds. I have written to them. I assume everyone is experiencing the same lag, right?
Makes me glad I'm not only one with that problem.

Try writing them. Perhaps if enough of us do...

rpitv@union.rpi.edu
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: ursusminor on February 04, 2017, 07:30:52 PM
It should be fixed.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: andyw2100 on February 04, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: ursusminorIt should be fixed.

It's closer, but still about two seconds ahead.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: andyw2100 on February 04, 2017, 07:36:17 PM
Now it seems in sync.

The RPI TV broadcasts are always so professionally done that this really surprised me. Glad they got it fixed!
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 04, 2017, 07:42:31 PM
good effort so far.. i bad goal and one bad bounce on the PP.  nice to see our PP start to generate some really good chances and passing..

dont take penalties and we seem to be dominating behind the net again leading to some solid shots.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: Johnny 5 on February 04, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
ice cold
Cornell is looking good
maybe win

::banana::
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: ursusminor on February 04, 2017, 07:49:44 PM
Quote from: andyw2100Now it seems in sync.

The RPI TV broadcasts are always so professionally done that this really surprised me. Glad they got it fixed!

RPI-TV is a student organization which means that the people involved change from year to year.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 04, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
tough to watch a team give up this many PP goals and be playing so well 5x5.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: marty on February 04, 2017, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: andyw2100Now it seems in sync.

The RPI TV broadcasts are always so professionally done that this really surprised me. Glad they got it fixed!

RPI-TV is a student organization which means that the people involved change from year to year.

But with great alumni support they don't have to reinvent the codecs each year.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 04, 2017, 09:22:21 PM
gutsy win.. PP comes thru late..

RPI announcers surprised there was any call on the late Major..  The ref down low didnt call anything with a great angle on the play.

On to Colgate with a chance for 4th place. even 3rd not out of reach now.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: Scersk '97 on February 04, 2017, 09:29:58 PM
Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: marty on February 04, 2017, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: andyw2100 on February 04, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.

He turned his head at the last second, but the hit was to the numbers. (We've watched the replay a number of times now.) I have no idea how the announcers could have thought it wasn't a penalty.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: ugarte on February 04, 2017, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.

He turned his head at the last second, but the hit was to the numbers. (We've watched the replay a number of times now.) I have no idea how the announcers could have thought it wasn't a penalty.
I also think he jammed his stick into Anderson. I could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

I don't know if it was a good call but it was the right call.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: margolism on February 04, 2017, 10:25:12 PM
When  was our last Capitol Region sweep?

Prior to this weekend, that is :-)
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: Trotsky on February 04, 2017, 11:26:07 PM
Quote from: margolismWhen  was our last Capitol Region sweep?
2009 (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_4pt_Weekends.html).
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: Johnny 5 on February 05, 2017, 08:19:17 AM
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/Cornell%20Towtruck_ELF.jpg
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: TimV on February 05, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
Hilarious but true.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: KGR11 on February 05, 2017, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: margolismWhen  was our last Capitol Region sweep?
2009 (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_4pt_Weekends.html).

Two things I remember about that weekend:
1. Barlow diving into the Cornell net to keep the puck out during a delayed penalty against Union. We showed up on ESPN's top 10 for that.
2. The drive back to Ithaca from RPI being terrible because of a snowstorm. Was grateful to have a Rochester-native driving.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: ursusminor on February 05, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.

He turned his head at the last second, but the hit was to the numbers. (We've watched the replay a number of times now.) I have no idea how the announcers could have thought it wasn't a penalty.
I also think he jammed his stick into Anderson. I could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

I don't know if it was a good call but it was the right call.

What is the difference between a good call and the right call?
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: Iceberg on February 05, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
Well, that was a fun game to watch in person yesterday. RPI certainly came out with speed early on and Kaldis got eluded pretty badly before RPI's first goal (which Gillam really should have had). Of course, he had the game-winner at the end, so he sort of redeemed himself. He's only a freshman so he'll get better than he already is.

It was quite interesting to have the feeling of being in an opposing rink where the fans actually had somewhat of a vocal presence. Of course, behind me there is some silly undergrad going on with his drivel against Cornell, the refs, and whatever other incoherent stuff came to his head. It was good fun while it lasted...which was basically the whole game. The two guys I was sitting with, one a RPI alumnus and the other who was seeing his first-ever hockey game, certainly got a kick from hearing him.

The officiating seemed fine aside from the offsides that were missed later in the game. Sitting in section 9 (the Cornell band was in 10), I got a good view of the hit on Anderson. I'm perfectly fine with the major call on Bourbonnais considering how dangerous the hit could have been; and at the NCAA-level, the officials don't hesitate to give majors for that kind of stuff. They have certainly given majors for less severe hits in the past.

No videos of any Cornell goals this time. :|  When I got my ticket I thought I would be sitting where Cornell would shoot twice. And as it turned out, all of the Cornell goals were on the other end. Having the band nearby was nice though!


Edit: Also, that was Cornell's first win at RPI since this game (https://youtu.be/qSC43nx2Ry4?t=5m32s) in 2011, so it's been a while.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: marty on February 05, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.

He turned his head at the last second, but the hit was to the numbers. (We've watched the replay a number of times now.) I have no idea how the announcers could have thought it wasn't a penalty.
I also think he jammed his stick into Anderson. I could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

I don't know if it was a good call but it was the right call.

What is the difference between a good call and the right call?

Zero seconds.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: TimV on February 05, 2017, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.

He turned his head at the last second, but the hit was to the numbers. (We've watched the replay a number of times now.) I have no idea how the announcers could have thought it wasn't a penalty.
I also think he jammed his stick into Anderson. I could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

I don't know if it was a good call but it was the right call.

What is the difference between a good call and the right call?

In HFH Section 7 no call made against RPI or FOR the visiting team is a GOOD call, even when it's the right  call.  Those calls that result in an RPI PP is ALWAYS a GOOD call.  I think it's all delineated on the handy smartphone ap "YelpSect7".::rolleyes::
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 05, 2017, 05:35:34 PM
there seemed to be some confusion on the one offsides late, but watching live I thought RPI sent the puck back into their own end so there wasnt any offsides to be called even with the cornell player already inside the zone?   i didnt bother to record the stream to try and replay it
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: ursusminor on February 05, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: upprdeckthere seemed to be some confusion on the one offsides late, but watching live I thought RPI sent the puck back into their own end so there wasnt any offsides to be called even with the cornell player already inside the zone?   i didnt bother to record the stream to try and replay it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUehnpxTd_8 in all its out-of-sync glory
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 05, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
it did deflect in off a RPI player if thats really how the rule works.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: ugarte on February 06, 2017, 12:01:29 AM
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: marty
Quote from: Scersk '97Textbook hitting from behind, as far as I was concerned. The RPI player could see Anderson's number the whole way in. He also hit him some distance from the boards, hence the major.

Two of the refs in section 7 thought that he was turned hence not hitting from behind.  I'm not convinced but even if true I could argue a boarding major.

He turned his head at the last second, but the hit was to the numbers. (We've watched the replay a number of times now.) I have no idea how the announcers could have thought it wasn't a penalty.
I also think he jammed his stick into Anderson. I could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

I don't know if it was a good call but it was the right call.

What is the difference between a good call and the right call?
Cui bono
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 06, 2017, 08:05:38 AM
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: upprdeckthere seemed to be some confusion on the one offsides late, but watching live I thought RPI sent the puck back into their own end so there wasnt any offsides to be called even with the cornell player already inside the zone?   i didnt bother to record the stream to try and replay it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUehnpxTd_8 in all its out-of-sync glory

Out-of-sync or not, they still do a great job. Seeing their cameras and comparing to what I've seen of ours, we need to upgrade. I have to think that some of the quality issues are due to that. Anybody know more about cameras?
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: scoop85 on February 06, 2017, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: upprdeckthere seemed to be some confusion on the one offsides late, but watching live I thought RPI sent the puck back into their own end so there wasnt any offsides to be called even with the cornell player already inside the zone?   i didnt bother to record the stream to try and replay it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUehnpxTd_8 in all its out-of-sync glory

Out-of-sync or not, they still do a great job. Seeing their cameras and comparing to what I've seen of ours, we need to upgrade. I have to think that some of the quality issues are due to that. Anybody know more about cameras?

I also think some of it has to do with the better camera angles they are able to get at Houston vs. Lynah.  We've had the suggestion to put cameras in the rafters at Lynah, and I'd like to see that tried.
Title: Re: Cornell at RPI 2/4/17
Post by: upprdeck on February 06, 2017, 09:12:10 AM
they wont even spend the money to get replay cameras that have more than like 5 frames a second, not sure they will ever worry about the tv production cameras.  most of the cell phones in the bldg have better video capabilities.
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: billhoward on February 06, 2017, 10:19:17 AM
The lighting at Lynah has hotspots directly under each lamp, perhaps because they're so close to the ice.

It may also be that the the main game action camera(s?) are set to autoexposue and underexpose the feed. A camera or video camera is fooled by a light background, the ice, thinks it's not white but a very brightly lit neutral gray and so underexposes. When the ice level camera goes for a closeup, you see more uniform, goalie pads, red pants - things that aren't all white - and does a better job exposure-balancing.
Title: Re: Cornell 4 at RPI 3, 2/4/17
Post by: abmarks on February 06, 2017, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: billhowardThe lighting at Lynah has hotspots directly under each lamp, perhaps because they're so close to the ice.

It may also be that the the main game action camera(s?) are set to autoexposue and underexpose the feed. A camera or video camera is fooled by a light background, the ice, thinks it's not white but a very brightly lit neutral gray and so underexposes. When the ice level camera goes for a closeup, you see more uniform, goalie pads, red pants - things that aren't all white - and does a better job exposure-balancing.

Whenever I watch ILDN i've noticed that our home games have a pretty white ice surface, yet roughly the top half of the picture (which includes about 1/3 the ice width) is distinctly dimme.  So action at the far side of the ice (away bench) is harder to make out than on the home bench side of the ice.