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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: ugarte on December 08, 2016, 02:20:49 PM

Title: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: ugarte on December 08, 2016, 02:20:49 PM
How come it was College of St. Rose, not Clarkson, who challenged the NHL trademark application for Golden Knights? CSR doesn't even have a hockey team.

https://twitter.com/graceraz/status/806893291010723841
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: RichH on December 08, 2016, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: ugarteHow come it was College of St. Rose, not Clarkson, who challenged the NHL trademark application for Golden Knights? CSR doesn't even have a hockey team.

First, from the things that I've read, I don't think it was the College of St. Rose who issued a challenge, but rather the Patent & Trademark Office comparing to existing marks. Looking at the St. Rose logo (see below), the dominant element is the "Golden Knights" text. Clarkson's mark is dominated by the word "Clarkson" as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarkson_Golden_Knights_men's_ice_hockey#/media/File:Clarkson_Golden_Knights.svg  Not to mention that the St. Rose mascot is also looking straight ahead with a similar "V" shaped eye-slot. Clarkson's knight logo is less similar.

This article excerpts the USPTO document and explains the decision pretty well: http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2016/12/7/13879416/vegas-golden-knights-trademark-application-denied-bill-foley-nhl-expansion

https://twitter.com/wingingitmotown/status/806675237190385665
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: Trotsky on December 08, 2016, 04:45:03 PM
I think Clarkson should just sell their look to the Vegas team.  They have the best unis in hockey, if not in all sports, and I'd love to see a green and gold team (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ISOYJT3JVKc/maxresdefault.jpg) back in the N.  Please, no more black or red.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: Trotsky on December 08, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
This (https://i.imgur.com/Zo8jOXx.png), OTOH, is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: RichH on December 08, 2016, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: TrotskyI think Clarkson should just sell their look to the Vegas team.  They have the best unis in hockey, if not in all sports

Which ones? They completely change their jerseys every single season now.

This year, it looks like the home whites and road greens have the block letters with the number centered below, and there's a 3rd mustard-y jersey with script letters and the shoulder-numbers. No knight head on any of them, and squared-off yokes.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: jkahn on December 08, 2016, 06:29:22 PM
and the reason they didn't just go with Las Vegas Knights is that the London Knights have a very tight trademark on the use of Knights and were not willing to let the Vegas team use it.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: upprdeck on December 08, 2016, 07:31:21 PM
how do high school teams get away with it?
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: ugarte on December 08, 2016, 10:37:38 PM
Quote from: jkahnand the reason they didn't just go with Las Vegas Knights is that the London Knights have a very tight trademark on the use of Knights and were not willing to let the Vegas team use it.
And West Point kept them from using Black Knights.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: Trotsky on December 09, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: TrotskyI think Clarkson should just sell their look to the Vegas team.  They have the best unis in hockey, if not in all sports

Which ones? They completely change their jerseys every single season now.

This year, it looks like the home whites and road greens have the block letters with the number centered below, and there's a 3rd mustard-y jersey with script letters and the shoulder-numbers. No knight head on any of them, and squared-off yokes.

Combining mens and womens:


These (http://www.ecachockey.com/images/men/Clarkson/Celebration_Green_Jersey_2012-13.jpg?max_width%5Cu003d360) are beautiful.

These (http://www.ecachockey.com/images/men/Clarkson/Seniors_2014.jpg?max_width%5Cu003d360) are very good.

These (http://www.ecachockey.com/images/women/Clarkson/Celebration_2012_yellow_jerseys.jpg) are solid.

These (https://i0.wp.com/thehockeywriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/KellySummers2-e1424141199337.jpg) are... I dunno.  

This (http://www.clarkson.edu/news/photos/cconroy-07-200.jpg) is barely tolerable.

These (http://cdnak1.psbin.com/img/mw=360/cr=n/d=95jd5/ndfw7wxwyg4llb7e.jpg) are bad.

This (http://cdn1-www.hockeysfuture.com/assets/uploads/2012/10/ben_sexton_clarkson.jpg) is terrible.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: RichH on December 09, 2016, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: TrotskyI think Clarkson should just sell their look to the Vegas team.  They have the best unis in hockey, if not in all sports

Which ones? They completely change their jerseys every single season now.

This year, it looks like the home whites and road greens have the block letters with the number centered below, and there's a 3rd mustard-y jersey with script letters and the shoulder-numbers. No knight head on any of them, and squared-off yokes.

Combining mens and womens:


These (http://www.ecachockey.com/images/men/Clarkson/Celebration_Green_Jersey_2012-13.jpg?max_width%5Cu003d360) are beautiful.

These (http://www.ecachockey.com/images/men/Clarkson/Seniors_2014.jpg?max_width%5Cu003d360) are very good.

These (http://www.ecachockey.com/images/women/Clarkson/Celebration_2012_yellow_jerseys.jpg) are solid.

These (https://i0.wp.com/thehockeywriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/KellySummers2-e1424141199337.jpg) are... I dunno.  

This (http://www.clarkson.edu/news/photos/cconroy-07-200.jpg) is barely tolerable.

These (http://cdnak1.psbin.com/img/mw=360/cr=n/d=95jd5/ndfw7wxwyg4llb7e.jpg) are bad.

This (http://cdn1-www.hockeysfuture.com/assets/uploads/2012/10/ben_sexton_clarkson.jpg) is terrible.

Pretty much agree. I flip-flop my feelings about the name on the yoke (#1) but generally I approve and I'm glad the pointed yoke era (#5) ended. There was that one year in the late 90s when they tried to make their "gold" playoff jerseys actually be metallic in appearance and it just came out looking like a dull puke-color.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: billhoward on December 09, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
So call them the Las Vegas Golden Nights.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: Hooking on December 09, 2016, 01:21:34 PM
This is serious stuff in a country where copyrights trump performance.
Title: Re: Trademark issue (Not North Dakota)
Post by: Give My Regards on December 09, 2016, 01:46:03 PM
Please don't say "trump performance".