No schedule posted yet.
Class of 2020 announced including Jeff Teat http://www.si.com/edge/2016/05/04/the-hill-academy-lacrosse-canada-high-school-brodie-merrill and Griffin Buczek (Connor's brother) http://cornellbigred.com/news/2016/7/6/mens-lacrosse-announces-class-of-2020.aspx
2017 roster as of the summer. FOGO Domenic Massimilian (http://www.cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=37985) '17 not on the roster (as mentioned elsewhere on eLynah). http://cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=mlax&
Joe Boulukos '06 and Robert Katz '78 in Cornell Athletics Hall of Fame http://cornellbigred.com/news/2016/7/8/general-ten-to-join-cornell-athletics-hall-of-fame-in-2016.aspx
Jordan Stevens '15 returns to Cornell as assistant coach. http://cornellbigred.com/news/2016/7/26/jordan-stevens-15-joins-mens-lacrosse-staff-as-assistant-coach.aspx
Brown carousel: Coach Lars Tiffany Brown '90 after losing shot at title game in OT quits Brown to run Virginia, replacing Dom Starsia Brown'74 http://www.brownbears.com/sports/m-lacros/2015-16/releases/20160621o4ndsl. Brown hires Tufts head coach Mike Daly. http://www.laxmagazine.com/college_men/DI/2015-16/news/070116_brown_hires_tufts_mike_daly_as_new_head_coach. Princeton after firing Chris Bates mid-season for altercation on-field with Brown player, makes interim Mike Madalon permanent http://laxmagazine.com/college_men/DI/2015-16/news/061516_princeton_lifts_interim_tag_makes_madalon_head_coach. (Ben DeLuca continues at Harvard as associate head coach http://gocrimson.com/sports/mlax/coaches/index)
Baltimore Sun early 2017 rankings picks Denver to win it all. Ivies: Penn 16, Yale 5, no Brown, Cornell or Harvard listed. NYS: Syracuse 9, Albany 6.
16-20 http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/lacrosse-blog/bal-premature-men-s-lacrosse-rankings-for-2017-part-1-20160530-story.html
11-15 http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/lacrosse-blog/bal-premature-men-s-lacrosse-rankings-for-2017-part-2-20160531-story.html
6-10 http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/lacrosse-blog/bal-premature-men-s-lacrosse-rankings-for-2017-part-3-20160601-story.html
1-5 http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/lacrosse-blog/bal-premature-men-s-lacrosse-rankings-for-2017-part-4-20160602-story.html
Inside Lacrosse rankings have Yale 10, Brown 7, Notre Dame 1. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/swezey-s-way-ahead-2017-rankings/35561
Recruiting class sounds solid. This is the year for Matt Kerwick to come into his own after 2 years as head coach, 1 year as interim (freshmen, sophomores are his recruits, juniors signed on in the interim-coach year).
I saw that Dom M is no longer on the team, but I haven't found the reason why...anyone know?
Presumably we'll never get the full details, but IL had an article about it:
Quote"The coaching staff and I both agreed that the Cornell lacrosse program wasn't the right fit for me," Massimilian says.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/fogo-massimilian-no-longer-with-cornell-team-retains-year-of-eligibility/36149
Quote from: Inside LacrosseOne of the top face-off specialists in the country the past two season, the loss of his abilities is certainly a setback for the Big Red's hopes to return to the Ivy League Tournament this season.
Re-learn to walk before you run: IL argues Cornell's aspiration is to be top-four in a seven-team league and maybe that's a reach. Let's hope the Big Red is reloading.
Quote from: Inside Lacrosse"The coaching staff and I both agreed that the Cornell lacrosse program wasn't the right fit for me," Massimilian says.
Thanks, semsox. I agree that we'll never get the whole story, but the article mentions "differences with the coaching staff" and that's enough for me. I guess I'm happy it wasn't some bad behavior on his part.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2016-power-100-freshmen-rankings/36194
Cornell-bound Jeff Teat is Inside Lacrosse's #1 in its 2016 Power 100 Fresman Rankings.
Quote from: jeff '84http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2016-power-100-freshmen-rankings/36194 Cornell-bound Jeff Teat is Inside Lacrosse's #1 in its 2016 Power 100 Freshman Rankings.
And A Ryan Maloney of Victor is No. 45. Interesting to see Teat is enrolled in Arts & Sciences, suggesting he is up for the academic side of Cornell, too.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: jeff '84http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2016-power-100-freshmen-rankings/36194 Cornell-bound Jeff Teat is Inside Lacrosse's #1 in its 2016 Power 100 Freshman Rankings.
And A Ryan Maloney of Victor is No. 45. Interesting to see Teat is enrolled in Arts & Sciences, suggesting he is up for the academic side of Cornell, too.
{Thanks for fixing the typo, Bill.}
Looks like a good start on your "hope they are reloading..."
Quote from: jeff '84Looks like a good start on your "hope they are reloading..."
Cornell has to reload at FOGO a year before they expected to. It was nice knowing two of three times after a goal, Cornell would gain possession on the faceoff. I'm sure there's a statistic saying a won faceoff is worth 0.X goals per faceof win.
Dom was teriffic at winning the draw but was a nightmare after the win. He was a turnover machine, sorry to say, the worst example being Harvard in 2015. This season, also against Harvard, he was 20 of 24 on face offs and the Crimson still won handily. He will not be missed nearly as much as many fans believe.
Posters on laxpower are saying the Red will play Virginia in San Francisco this year. Anyone know any more about this? (I'm on the west coast & would be thrilled to attend!)
Schedule is up.
Here's the description. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2016/10/21/mens-lacrosse-announces-2017-schedule.aspx)
Here's the schedule. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/schedule.aspx?path=mlax&)
Quote from: Jim HylaSchedule is up.
Here's the description. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2016/10/21/mens-lacrosse-announces-2017-schedule.aspx)
Here's the schedule. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/schedule.aspx?path=mlax&)
Quote from: CornellBigRed.comThe Big Red remains on the road for its third straight game when it welcomes Dartmouth to Schoellkopf Field on Saturday, April 1.
::wtf::
(Not funny as an April Fool joke.)
Quote from: CU77Posters on laxpower are saying the Red will play Virginia in San Francisco this year. Anyone know any more about this? (I'm on the west coast & would be thrilled to attend!)
Yeah that would be very cool to attend out here.
Boo, looks like it will be in Costa Mesa: http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/101816aaa.html
https://www.pacificcoastlaxshootout.com
I am actually closer to Costa Mesa than San Francisco, but there are a lot more reasons to visit SF ... but wherever the game is held, it will be cool to see the Big Red lax team out here!
Quote from: CU77https://www.pacificcoastlaxshootout.com
I am actually closer to Costa Mesa than San Francisco, but there are a lot more reasons to visit SF ... but wherever the game is held, it will be cool to see the Big Red lax team out here!
My daughter lived in Newport Beach until a few months ago.
I posted this on the hockey forum, but Coach Moran has written his autobiography. They're having an 80th birthday celebration and book signing (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/1/16/mens-lacrosse-fans-invited-to-richie-moran-celebration-and-book-signing.aspx) the same day as the 1967 hockey reception. (http://cornelluniversity.imodules.com/s/1717/alumni/event.aspx?sid=1717&gid=2&pgid=6168&cid=12143&ecid=12143&crid=0&calpgid=853&calcid=2473)
Scrimmages tomorrow (Sat Feb 4) against Drexel and Mount St Mary's in Philly ...
i guess no one heard anything.. one forum said we play ok after a rocky start vs Drexel. then not much of a game vs MSM.
God, I hope lax doesn't suck.
I always looked forward to this time of year.
::thud::
Quote from: upprdecki guess no one heard anything.. one forum said we play ok after a rocky start vs Drexel. then not much of a game vs MSM.
For the record, this was the good kind of 'not much of a game'. Color me optimistic. Teat is going to be a special talent for the program. When all is said and done, I'll go out on a limb and say he'll be closer to a Seibald or Pannell in terms of legacy for the program than some of our other great players, like Buczek or Boulukos.
Quote from: Johnny 5God, I hope lax is strong again this year.
I always look forward to this time of year.
::banana::
Fixed your post.
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: upprdecki guess no one heard anything.. one forum said we play ok after a rocky start vs Drexel. then not much of a game vs MSM.
For the record, this was the good kind of 'not much of a game'. Color me optimistic. Teat is going to be a special talent for the program. When all is said and done, I'll go out on a limb and say he'll be closer to a Seibald or Pannell in terms of legacy for the program than some of our other great players, like Buczek or Boulukos.
It's a tribute to the program, its traditions, and the coach that Teat signed on with Cornell. He could have gone anywhere.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: semsoxQuote from: upprdecki guess no one heard anything.. one forum said we play ok after a rocky start vs Drexel. then not much of a game vs MSM.
For the record, this was the good kind of 'not much of a game'. Color me optimistic. Teat is going to be a special talent for the program. When all is said and done, I'll go out on a limb and say he'll be closer to a Seibald or Pannell in terms of legacy for the program than some of our other great players, like Buczek or Boulukos.
It's a tribute to the program, its traditions, and the coach that Teat signed on with Cornell. He could have gone anywhere.
A pretty good education, too.:-P
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: Johnny 5God, I hope lax is strong again this year.
I always look forward to this time of year.
::banana::
Fixed your post.
Bless you, sir!
::whistle::
But, not even ranked in Quint's Top 20.
Ah, how the mighty have fallen.
::thud::
Quote from: Johnny 5But, not even ranked in Quint's Top 20.
Ah, how the mighty have fallen.
::thud::
What does Quint know? He has habitually underrated us. I'll bet we get into the top 20. We'll be better than Richmond, Rutgers, Marquette, Villanova and Towson. Maybe even Brown - they lost a lot of players. And coaches.
Patience required though. Tough early schedule. An upset W at Penn State- whose rookie goaltender gave up 15 goals to Hobart - would help a lot.
Looks like the only way to follow the lacrosse game at Penn State is via PSU's GameTracker. Bush league operation if that's correct.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioLooks like the only way to follow the lacrosse game at Penn State is via PSU's GameTracker. Bush league operation if that's correct.
That's shockingly lame for a "Power 5" school
Quote from: Al DeFlorioLooks like the only way to follow the lacrosse game at Penn State is via PSU's GameTracker. Bush league operation if that's correct.
Can listen on WHCU.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioLooks like the only way to follow the lacrosse game at Penn State is via PSU's GameTracker. Bush league operation if that's correct.
First Cornell lax recruit ever to be rated the #1 freshman and we have no video coverage. No ILDN audiocast. Looks like we can get it streamed via WHCUradio.com.
From CornellBigRed.com, where video shows TBA and no link, Audio shows the link to WHCUradio.com:
GAME INFORMATION
GAME #1: Cornell at No. 11 Penn State
FACE OFF: Saturday, February 18, at 12:00 p.m.
SITE: Penn State Lacrosse Field (University Park, Pa.)
2016 Records: Cornell (0-0, 0-0 Ivy League); Penn State (2-0, 0-0 B1G)
SERIES RECORD: Series tied, 20-20
LAST MEETING: Penn State won 8-7, Feb. 20, 2016 in Ithaca, N.Y.
FOLLOW THE BIG RED
GAME LINKS: Video (TBA) | Audio | Live Stats
RADIO: WHCU 870 AM (Ithaca)
TELEVISION: None
I wonder it isnt on the b10 network like many of the otherlacrosse games? It would seem to be a game of interest,
Quote from: upprdeckI wonder it isnt on the b10 network like many of the otherlacrosse games? It would seem to be a game of interest,
Lots of playoff basketball on the network. There is also streaming video, 3 events Saturday: baseball, ice hockey, and at 3 p.m.,
women's lacrosse. http://www.gopsusports.com/collegesportslive/ All of it free. Next Saturday, the men's game is being webcast. Sheesh.
From posts on the Penn State thread on laxpower.com I gather that they can't/won't stream games from their indoor facility for technical reasons [that weren't really explained] so none of Penn State's early season lacrosse games have video coverage.
why are they playing indoors tomorrow? its going to be mid 50's down there? did they decide to play games indoors before the season started regardless of the weather?
Quote from: upprdeckwhy are they playing indoors tomorrow? its going to be mid 50's down there? did they decide to play games indoors before the season started regardless of the weather?
Quote from: gopsusports.comUNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. – No. 11/11 Penn State men's lacrosse willl look to improve to 3-0 on the young 2017 campaign this Saturday, Feb. 18 at noon ET, as the Nittany Lions square off with the Big Red of Cornell at the Penn State Lacrosse Field.
So, no, they're playing outdoors. The indoor field is named the Joe Pa What Happens Here Stays Here Practice Arena, or similar. (HOLUBA Hall; must be some kind of acronym.)
Then it makes no sense not to stream the games. Oh well.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckwhy are they playing indoors tomorrow? its going to be mid 50's down there? did they decide to play games indoors before the season started regardless of the weather?
Quote from: gopsusports.comUNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. – No. 11/11 Penn State men's lacrosse willl look to improve to 3-0 on the young 2017 campaign this Saturday, Feb. 18 at noon ET, as the Nittany Lions square off with the Big Red of Cornell at the Penn State Lacrosse Field.
So, no, they're playing outdoors. The indoor field is named the Joe Pa What Happens Here Stays Here Practice Arena, or similar. (HOLUBA Hall; must be some kind of acronym.)
Holuba hall is named after the Holuba family from NJ. Their son Kurt is a currently stud defensive end for Princeton.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckwhy are they playing indoors tomorrow? its going to be mid 50's down there? did they decide to play games indoors before the season started regardless of the weather?
Quote from: gopsusports.comUNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. – No. 11/11 Penn State men's lacrosse willl look to improve to 3-0 on the young 2017 campaign this Saturday, Feb. 18 at noon ET, as the Nittany Lions square off with the Big Red of Cornell at the Penn State Lacrosse Field.
So, no, they're playing outdoors. The indoor field is named the Joe Pa What Happens Here Stays Here Practice Arena, or similar. (HOLUBA Hall; must be some kind of acronym.)
Holuba hall is named after the Holuba family from NJ. Their son Kurt is a currently stud defensive end for Princeton.
Guess he couldn't get into PSU.
Will WHCU carry the game?
The audio link is blacked out.
Quote from: Johnny 5Will WHCU carry the game?
The audio link is blacked out.
I'm listening now. Click "Listen" in the lower right corner of the web page.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: scoop85Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckwhy are they playing indoors tomorrow? its going to be mid 50's down there? did they decide to play games indoors before the season started regardless of the weather?
Quote from: gopsusports.comUNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. – No. 11/11 Penn State men's lacrosse willl look to improve to 3-0 on the young 2017 campaign this Saturday, Feb. 18 at noon ET, as the Nittany Lions square off with the Big Red of Cornell at the Penn State Lacrosse Field.
So, no, they're playing outdoors. The indoor field is named the Joe Pa What Happens Here Stays Here Practice Arena, or similar. (HOLUBA Hall; must be some kind of acronym.)
Holuba hall is named after the Holuba family from NJ. Their son Kurt is a currently stud defensive end for Princeton.
Guess he couldn't get into PSU.
Actually a brother and sister graduated from Princeton, another brother played football at Harvard. And the slacker sister graduated from UVA
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Johnny 5Will WHCU carry the game?
The audio link is blacked out.
I'm listening now. Click "Listen" in the lower right corner of the web page.
Feed is significantly behind the Gametracker live stats.
Denver is #1? When did they become dominant?
Quote from: TrotskyDenver is #1? When did they become dominant?
The big step was 2015 when they beat Maryland 10-5 for the NCAA championship. And keeping the Terps, not Cornell, as the NCAA lax champion that hasn't repeated in the longest time: 1975 for Maryland, 1977 for Cornell.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyDenver is #1? When did they become dominant?
The big step was 2015 when they beat Maryland 10-5 for the NCAA championship. And keeping the Terps, not Cornell, as the NCAA lax champion that hasn't repeated in the longest time: 1975 for Maryland, 1977 for Cornell.
Thanks. I have not seen (heard) a lax game since the 2014 first round where we led in College Park 4-zip and then lost with 2 seconds to go 7-8.
We have had a decade of last minute losses. There was of course the 2009 title game vs Syracuse where the Orange tied in the last second. Earlier (pre-2010, can't place the year), we overcame an insurmountable Duke lead to tie and then Duke took the faceoff and scored; that was a semifinal game. In 2013 we lost by 2 to Duke in the semis.
Not good. Penn State pulling away, 17-6 in the fourth quarter; Penn State has won the second half 10-3. Stats show Jeff Teat with 2 shots on goal, no points. But okay, he's got another 70 games. The starting attack is two freshmen (Jeff Teat, Connor Fletcher) and a sophomore (Colton Rupp). Correction, 19-8, Teat with a goal on 3 shots. Middie Jordan Dowiak has 2 on 2 shots.
Final Penn State 20-10. On the plus side, it was a balanced attack for Cornell: nine goal-scorers. But only two assisted goals. Christian Knight went all the way in goal, 14 saves on 34 SOG.
COR 0 3 2 5 - 10
PSU 2 5 7 6 - 20
The bad news is this team probably wins fewer games than last season and Teat transfers out. The good news is I totally suck at predictions.
You have to like that Teat is in the Arts College, which suggests a real commitment to academics. Of course, at least a third of the top teams are the Ivies, Duke, Virginia. I'm sure Penn State wanted to make sure the #1 freshman didn't light them up.
interesting game.. down 2-0 early.. made it a game at 3-3 then hardly touched the ball for about 15 min fell behind by 10 goals, then it was even after that though the subbing made it hard to really tell much.
billhoward--As an ILR grad, did I not demonstrate a real commitment to academics? :-(
Risking thread drift here I know. Let's not lose to Hobart by 10.
Quote from: djk26billhoward--As an ILR grad, did I not demonstrate a real commitment to academics? :-(
Risking thread drift here I know. Let's not lose to Hobart by 10.
5.4% Harvard acceptance rate 2016
6.1% Arts & Sciences acceptance rate 2016
6.3% Yale acceptance rate
12.2% ILR acceptance rate 2016 Let's not lose to Hobart at all. (56.8% acceptance rate)
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: djk26billhoward--As an ILR grad, did I not demonstrate a real commitment to academics? :-(
Risking thread drift here I know. Let's not lose to Hobart by 10.
5.4% Harvard acceptance rate 2016
6.1% Arts & Sciences acceptance rate 2016
6.3% Yale acceptance rate
12.2% ILR acceptance rate 2016
Let's not lose to Hobart at all. (56.8% acceptance rate)
Funny. I forgot the part where acceptance rate was a proxy for commitment to academics. Thanks for the reminder, Ann Coulter.
You're right, acceptance rate is not a proxy for commitment, nor SATs. Still, varsity athletes at least in the major sports aren't distributed evenly among the colleges. Otherwise, a third of athletes would be in Arts, a quarter in Engineering, a fifth in CALS. So it's intriguing to see Cornell's highest profile entering lacrosse player in Arts.
College 2016 % of entering class
AAP 4%
Arts 35%
CALS 20%
Engr 24%
Hotel 5%
HumEc 8%
ILR 5%
By the way, I heard at a Cornell alumni event that there is an insanely high number of applicants to the Dyson business school in CALS for comparatively few spaces. That may be more competitive than the Arts College.
Dyson admit rate will be about 4% this cycle. Apps increased by 132% this year.
Quote from: billhowardYou're right, acceptance rate is not a proxy for commitment, nor SATs. Still, varsity athletes at least in the major sports aren't distributed evenly among the colleges. Otherwise, a third of athletes would be in Arts, a quarter in Engineering, a fifth in CALS. So it's intriguing to see Cornell's highest profile entering lacrosse player in Arts.
College 2016 % of entering class
AAP 4%
Arts 35%
CALS 20%
Engr 24%
Hotel 5%
HumEc 8%
ILR 5%
By the way, I heard at a Cornell alumni event that there is an insanely high number of applicants to the Dyson business school in CALS for comparatively few spaces. That may be more competitive than the Arts College.
I'm not surprised. When I applied and got into Dyson (well, right before the "Dyson" was added), the admission rate was about 12% for 110 or so spots. The program has always been good but I guess more folks are now realizing that there's an Ivy with undergraduate business programs other than Penn. Lol.
Another game like this and this topic may permanently morph into a discussion of acceptance rates. Hobart 16 Cornell 8. In fairness, Hobart's GK had a couple of amazing saves, but he didn't steal the game from the Red. You know an offense is struggling when it has just three assists and one of those is from the goalie.
Rain-soaked game. Hobart builds up a 3-0 lead, Cornell ties, Hobart goes up 7-4 at the half. Pulls away in the third and wins 16-8. Two games, doubled by our opponents both times. Cornell better on GBs. Shots, clears, turnovers pretty even. Just not shots going in, or faceoffs.
Freshman Attackman Connor Fletcher 3 goals on 5 shots, 1 assist (Cornell only had 2 or 3 assisted goals). Thomas Keith 3G, Jeff Teat 2G.
Quote from: mountainredAnother game like this and this topic may permanently morph into a discussion of acceptance rates. Hobart 16 Cornell 8. In fairness, Hobart's GK had a couple of amazing saves, but he didn't steal the game from the Red. You know an offense is struggling when it has just three assists and one of those is from the goalie.
Abysmal performance no matter how you slice it. Granted it's an extremely young team, and we were missing 2 of our starting defenders today, but Kerwick has got to get things figured out fast. I'm a bit less concerned with wins this year, but I expect better performance.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: mountainredAnother game like this and this topic may permanently morph into a discussion of acceptance rates. Hobart 16 Cornell 8. In fairness, Hobart's GK had a couple of amazing saves, but he didn't steal the game from the Red. You know an offense is struggling when it has just three assists and one of those is from the goalie.
Abysmal performance no matter how you slice it. Granted it's an extremely young team, and we were missing 2 of our starting defenders today, but Kerwick has got to get things figured out fast. I'm a bit less concerned with wins this year, but I expect better performance.
On the bright-ish side, Freshman Connor Fletcher looks like a keeper and the Red won the ground ball battle. But that is faint praise. Hobart's chances were much better than ours. One of my partners is a big UVA fan and we normally meet up to watch the Cornell/UVA lax game. I'm kinda glad this year's game isn't being shown.
Quote from: mountainredOn the bright-ish side, Freshman Connor Fletcher looks like a keeper and the Red won the ground ball battle. But that is faint praise. Hobart's chances were much better than ours. One of my partners is a big UVA fan and we normally meet up to watch the Cornell/UVA lax game. I'm kinda glad this year's game isn't being shown.
Interesting it was Ryan Maloney from Victor (suburban Rochester) who was the other Cornellian on the IL Top 100 Freshmen rankings (45). The other attackman this / last week was a sophomore, Colton Rupp. So Cornell is looking good at attack.
Well, we didn't lose to Hobart by 10. Remember last year being disappointing? Welcome to this year.
I don't think we had the guns to win this game but it could have been closer -- the Hobart goalie had some unbelievable saves in the first half. I didn't watch the second half as closely so can't say whether he was hot for 4 quarters.
Very disappointing. The radio call blamed the weather for so many errant passes.
But, the weather didn't seem to bother the home team much?
And, after touting our recruiting at attack and FOGO, their production was less than stellar for a second week.
This could be a very looooong season.
But, Army shaded Sorexcuse, so who knows!?
::help::
at one point we goalie had like 12 saves on 20 shots. both games came out slow, fought back and then the other team just took over..
Very slow start to this year...and it doesnt look like we will have the talent to compete with Top 20 teams. Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the recruiting process, shake up the current recruiting philosophy and rebuild from the base.
Quote from: MattShafVery slow start to this year...and it doesnt look like we will have the talent to compete with Top 20 teams. Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the recruiting process, shake up the current recruiting philosophy and rebuild from the base.
Used to freshmen couldn't help you because young Lew Alcindor couldn't play varsity til sophomore year. Now so many recruits are committed a year in advance that someone who this spring agrees to come to Cornell is Class of 2022 not '21.
Quote from: MattShafVery slow start to this year...and it doesnt look like we will have the talent to compete with Top 20 teams. Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the recruiting process, shake up the current recruiting philosophy and rebuild from the base.
Talent has slipped in the last few years for sure.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: MattShafVery slow start to this year...and it doesnt look like we will have the talent to compete with Top 20 teams. Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the recruiting process, shake up the current recruiting philosophy and rebuild from the base.
Used to freshmen couldn't help you because young Lew Alcindor couldn't play varsity til sophomore year. Now so many recruits are committed a year in advance that someone who this spring agrees to come to Cornell is Class of 2022 not '21.
This was also true of Ed Marinaro. The 3 vs 4 disparity was somewhat akin to the fewer games that Babe Ruth played to hit 60 - once the records started to fall.
It's been so long that I had to look this up:
https://ussporthistory.com/2015/10/22/a-brief-history-of-freshman-eligibility-and-race-in-the-ncaa/
I had no recollection of the 68 vs 72 basketball and football changes. There must have been some Ivy BS going on too. IIRC my freshman and sophomore years had freshman hockey teams. (70-72)
Does anyone have the history concerning when that disappeared? Arthur?
Quote from: martyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: MattShafVery slow start to this year...and it doesnt look like we will have the talent to compete with Top 20 teams. Perhaps its time to re-evaluate the recruiting process, shake up the current recruiting philosophy and rebuild from the base.
Used to freshmen couldn't help you because young Lew Alcindor couldn't play varsity til sophomore year. Now so many recruits are committed a year in advance that someone who this spring agrees to come to Cornell is Class of 2022 not '21.
This was also true of Ed Marinaro. The 3 vs 4 disparity was somewhat akin to the fewer games that Babe Ruth played to hit 60 - once the records started to fall.
It's been so long that I had to look this up:
https://ussporthistory.com/2015/10/22/a-brief-history-of-freshman-eligibility-and-race-in-the-ncaa/
I had no recollection of the 68 vs 72 basketball and football changes. There must have been some Ivy BS going on too. IIRC my freshman and sophomore years had freshman hockey teams. (70-72)
Does anyone have the history concerning when that disappeared? Arthur?
From the Ivy League History Timeline (http://www.ivyleague.com/history/timeline/index)
Quote from: March 1971 The Ivy League becomes the last conference in the country to endorse the national change to freshman eligibility on varsity teams. Although the Ivy Presidents do not permit the change in all team sports, by 1980 the change is complete in all team sports except in football and men's rowing.
Quote from: June and December 1991 Coincident with reducing the permitted number of recruited football players, the Council agrees to freshman eligibility in football and to 12 sessions of spring practice for football rather than one spring \\"media day.\\"
Cornell web site (http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2009/4/10/MICE_0410093106.aspx?id=234) has data on all individual players, from which with more effort than I can afford to put in right now you could tease out the transposition.
Albany lax at Cornell ppd to Sunday 1 p.m. "due to inclement weather." Day started at 7 degrees, it's now up to the projected high of 18 degrees. Yesterday on I-81 about 50 miles S of Cornell, 32-car pileup. http://wnep.com/2017/03/03/one-dead-after-32-car-pileup-in-schuylkill-county-i-81-still-closed-in-both-directions/
Quote from: billhowardAlbany lax at Cornell ppd to Sunday 1 p.m. "due to inclement weather." Day started at 7 degrees, it's now up to the projected high of 18 degrees. Yesterday on I-81 about 50 miles S of Cornell, 32-car pileup. http://wnep.com/2017/03/03/one-dead-after-32-car-pileup-in-schuylkill-county-i-81-still-closed-in-both-directions/
Yeah, major snow squalls with white-out conditions around here (Lehigh Valley) at about 4 PM. Beautiful blue skies by 5, Weird.
Postponing the inevitable?!
::help::
With temps up to 24 degrees at faceoff vs. mid-teens Saturday when the game was originally set for, Cornell turns over the first 4 (5?) possessions on unforced errors, only gets 2 shots on goal. Albany 4-0 after one. Cornell is helping Albany beat us. This stuff (bad passes, offsides) can be fixed.
Second quarter, 2 quick Albany scores to make it 6-0. 21 minutes into the half, Colton Rupp snares a rebound off the goalie to make it 6-1 and the 5-goal deficit lasts for as long as it takes the Albany FOGO to take the faceoff and put it home, 8 seconds later. 8-1 midway in the second, 9-1 at the half. Cornell is having trouble with clears. Jeff Teat has several nice feeds but the shooter can't haul it in or get a shot off.
Final is Albany, 17-6
Albany 4 5 5 3 - 17
Cornell 0 1 3 2 - 6
We were outshot 46-25, out-GB'd 39-31, and lost faceoffs 9x26 (35%). The only extra man goal Cornell gave up (3x4 defending) was the last when Knight was way out of the goal and Cornell turned over a clear. 2 goals each by Fletcher (freshman), Petterson (sophomore) and Rupp (sophomore). Jeff Teat 2 shots, 1 GB, 4 turnovers, 1 caused turnover. 10 saves by Christian Knight. A forgettable game. Maybe some of the fit-and-finish stuff will improve as the team gels.
The main video, the one showing a third of the field, not the close-ups camera, washes out Cornell's white jerseys so you can't make out the player numbers. Video technology has evolved so this shouldn't be an issue. At least there are replays, unlike at Lynah. Like at Lynah, the camera sometimes doesn't pan with the action and it goes offscreen. There was one 10-second lapse early on where play moved the locker room side of the field and the camera was still watch the scoreboard end.
I love these guys and I know how hard they work but this game is painful to watch. Sigh.
Quote from: dag14I love these guys and I know how hard they work but this game is painful to watch. Sigh.
+1
When is Kerwick's contract up?
Quote from: CU77When is Kerwick's contract up?
Not as soon as we want
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: CU77When is Kerwick's contract up?
Not as soon as we want
+1
As my wife so eloquently put it, "Have you ever seen Cornell look this bad?"
Guess she forgot about football?
::thud::
Quote from: Johnny 5As my wife so eloquently put it, "Have you ever seen Cornell look this bad?"
Guess she forgot about football?
::thud::
Major Men's sports at Cornell; Football, Basketball and now Lacrosse = losing records.
Quote from: CU77When is Kerwick's contract up?
So far, eLynah has Mike Schafer, David Archer, Andy Noel, whoever is the current basketball coach, and now Matt Kerwick on a short leash.
Mike being a notable exception, when all a program does is lose, at whose feet is the blame typically placed? Perception is reality?? (God, I hate that expression.)
I wonder, has Rob Pannell ever expressed an interest in coaching?!
::whistle::
Quote from: Johnny 5Mike being a notable exception, when all a program does is lose, at whose feet is the blame typically placed? Perception is reality?? (God, I hate that expression.)
I wonder, has Rob Pannell ever expressed an interest in coaching?!
::whistle::
Interesting thought, but great players accross the sports spectrum often turn out to be poor coaches.
is there a reason the bottom's totally dropped out this year? or was it just the bad recruiting/coaching change fallout coming to a head with lack of upperclassmen?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Johnny 5Mike being a notable exception, when all a program does is lose, at whose feet is the blame typically placed? Perception is reality?? (God, I hate that expression.)
I wonder, has Rob Pannell ever expressed an interest in coaching?!
::whistle::
Interesting thought, but great players accross the sports spectrum often turn out to be poor coaches.
Also, isn't he still playing?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: Johnny 5Mike being a notable exception, when all a program does is lose, at whose feet is the blame typically placed? Perception is reality?? (God, I hate that expression.)
I wonder, has Rob Pannell ever expressed an interest in coaching?!
::whistle::
Interesting thought, but great players accross the sports spectrum often turn out to be poor coaches.
Also, isn't he still playing?
Tongue in cheek,...sort of.
:-P
Quote from: underskillis there a reason the bottom's totally dropped out this year? or was it just the bad recruiting/coaching change fallout coming to a head with lack of upperclassmen?
Saturday's game felt as if Cornell was missing on a lot of fit-and-finish things that might be attributed to a young team. First five trips upfield into Albany's end Cornell turned the ball over. A long pole came rambling in and took a shot that wasn't warranted. Errant passes. A couple careless penalties. Maybe that gets better later in the year.
Kerwick took over as interim coach fall 2013-spring 2014 and that was a lost year for recruiting, this year's junior class. (The position was made permanent in June 2014, after the season ended and after recruits had already signed on to their colleges.) The roster shows just 7 of 46 listed players are seniors and 10 juniors. There are 15 sophomores and 14 freshmen. So this is a building year. If we continue to have a soft season, we'll see how well Kerwick and his assistants can pitch the Cornell story to players still wavering for the class of 2021. And 2022.
Nobody complained about Kerwick's coaching when he started his first, 2014, season with a 9-0 run and Cornell made an NCAA appearance.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: underskillis there a reason the bottom's totally dropped out this year? or was it just the bad recruiting/coaching change fallout coming to a head with lack of upperclassmen?
Saturday's game felt as if Cornell was missing on a lot of fit-and-finish things that might be attributed to a young team. First five trips upfield into Albany's end Cornell turned the ball over. A long pole came rambling in and took a shot that wasn't warranted. Errant passes. A couple careless penalties. Maybe that gets better later in the year.
Lots of teams have freshmen and sophs who can throw accurately and catch the ball. If they can't, they wouldn't be division I athletes. This is a matter of discipline and focus. Do you think Ritchie would tolerate three games worth of this? How about Pietramala? Tambroni?
I know Ned wouldn't, believe me.
Quote from: billhowardNobody complained about Kerwick's coaching when he started his first, 2014, season with a 9-0 run and Cornell made an NCAA appearance.
Accurate observation but irrelevant comment. That was achieved while coaching other people's recruits who benefit by other people's coaching, during regimes that stressed basic skills and in-game discipline. So far, only the recruiting is up to traditional standards of Cornell Lacrosse.
Last year was also a disappointing year for Cornell lacrosse, with a 1-5 Ivy record.
Quote from: CASLast year was also a disappointing year for Cornell lacrosse, with a 1-5 Ivy record.
Yep. All of a sudden we suck eggs.
::help::
After one, Cornell 6, Virginia 0
according to the chat of the currently-not-working video stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oge-XnzhCfY), it's now 6-2
Quote from: ugarteaccording to the chat of the currently-not-working video stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oge-XnzhCfY), it's now 6-2
7-4. 4:12 to go in the half. Feed working.
Knight playing great. Petterson missed a wide-open look that would've given us our 8th goal. The play-by-play and color guys don't shut up and are annoying the hell out of me
I don't mind the color guys. I mind that I started watching and the team started playing a lot less well.
9-4 at the half
Quote from: Al DeFlorio9-4 at the half
the last goal was great. tic tac toe passing to a guy on the doorstep for the easiest shot of his life.
Quote from: scoop85Knight playing great. Petterson missed a wide-open look that would've given us our 8th goal. The play-by-play and color guys don't shut up and are annoying the hell out of me
The color guy sounds halfway competent. The PbP guy is a clown who must have won some "be a sports announcer" silent auction at sportscenter camp.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: scoop85Knight playing great. Petterson missed a wide-open look that would've given us our 8th goal. The play-by-play and color guys don't shut up and are annoying the hell out of me
The color guy sounds halfway competent. The PbP guy is a clown who must have won some "be a sports announcer" silent auction at sportscenter camp.
One minute: Do you think the heat will be a factor tonight? These teams just aren't used to these temperatures. Yes. Dehydration will be a big issue.
Five minutes later: It's a beautiful 61 degrees tonight.
What?
And it's 11-11.
up 6-0 and 11-6 and now losing
Quote from: upprdeckup 6-0 and 11-6 and now losing
13-11 UVA after 3. Big difference was we got dominated at FO that quarter, and UVA's backup goalie made some point-blank saves while Knight lost his magic from the 1st half
i missed the six goal sprint at the beginning of the game but there hasn't been a second since i turned the game on that we didn't look like the second best team on the field.
14-14 now though..
Cornell up 17-15 with under 4:00 to go. I'm not watching because every time I log-on we fall apart, so for the benefit of the team I'll follow on twitter
cornell scores to make it 18-18 4 seconds remaining
Quote from: abmarkscornell scores to make it 18-18 4 seconds remaining
After Virginia scored with an extra man to take the lead with 13 seconds left!
bleh. sort of won the OT faceoff but our FOGO couldn't scoop the ground ball and virginia took possession when it went OOB. score on their second shot attempt.
how cornell manages to lose that game was killer..
he should have just slowed down and scooped it instead of trying to run around to get it.. need to play some D the offense finally looked decent.
Quote from: upprdeckhow cornell manages to lose that game was killer..
Still, a much better result than anything else this season, a far better than anyone expected.
A team has to learn how to win, but before that a team has to learn how to play. This result gives a glimmer of hope that this team is doing the latter.
you can compete if you play this type of game. maybe the better weather helped. best game by far
I was there! A fantastic game, even if the Red could not hold on at the end. Much better performance that could be expected from the first 3 games. There is now some hope for this team to win a few games.
Quote from: CU77I was there! A fantastic game, even if the Red could not hold on at the end. Much better performance that could be expected from the first 3 games. There is now some hope for this team to win a few games.
Just as important we finally showed the caliber of young offensive talent on the team. Now just got to tighten up the defense!
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CU77I was there! A fantastic game, even if the Red could not hold on at the end. Much better performance that could be expected from the first 3 games. There is now some hope for this team to win a few games.
Just as important we finally showed the caliber of young offensive talent on the team. Now just got to tighten up the defense!
We expected this from Teat in his first game. It took four to put up Pannell-like numbers. Fair enough.
Jeff Teat '20 5G 4A 9 Pts
Connor Fletcher '20 2G 3A 5 Pts
Clarke Petterson '19 4G 1A 5 Pts
Jordan Dowiak '18 5G 0A 5 Pts
(correcting class years)
If Cornell has no real chance of making the NCAAs, this loss doesn't matter other than to maybe make Cornell the best 0-4 time in D1 (losses to #3 Penn State, #8 Albany, #12 Virginia, and Hobart). But maybe this is a real turning point. We'll see Saturday at Yale (also receiving votes).
Cripe! BU is #15 and 6-0. D1 poll: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1
And Rutgers is up to #5 and also unbeaten. Why does Rutgers screw around with football and basketball. They've got a shot in lax. NYT says Rutgers is awash is so much red ink that $300 from each student activity fee goes to fund (partially) the varsity sports deficit. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/sports/rutgers-university-athletic-department-deficits.html?_r=0
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: scoop85Quote from: CU77I was there! A fantastic game, even if the Red could not hold on at the end. Much better performance that could be expected from the first 3 games. There is now some hope for this team to win a few games.
Just as important we finally showed the caliber of young offensive talent on the team. Now just got to tighten up the defense!
We expected this from Teat in his first game. It took four to put up Pannell-like numbers. Fair enough.
Jeff Teat '21 5G 4A 9 Pts
Connor Fletcher '21 2G 3A 5 Pts
Clarke Petterson '20 4G 1A 5 Pts
Jordan Dowiak '19 5G 0A 5 Pts
If Cornell has no real chance of making the NCAAs, this loss doesn't matter other than to maybe make Cornell the best 0-4 time in D1 (losses to #3 Penn State, #8 Albany, #12 Virginia, and Hobart). But maybe this is a real turning point. We'll see Saturday at Yale (also receiving votes).
First, are Teat and Fletcher in five year programs? If only they could play for five years.
Second, while the defense was non-existent, Saturday night's performance was night-and-day from the Albany game. Here's hoping it was a real turning point for the O.
if they can score like that against Uv they cn score on anyone. when they didnt throw it away they seemed to score.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CU77I was there! A fantastic game, even if the Red could not hold on at the end. Much better performance that could be expected from the first 3 games. There is now some hope for this team to win a few games.
Just as important we finally showed the caliber of young offensive talent on the team. Now just got to tighten up the defense!
Actually, UVa is the one that's got to tighten up the D. We gave up 19 goals to an acknowledged high power racehorse offense with a lot of scorers. THEY gave up 18 goals to...us.::thud::
From the Clarkson Hockey thread:
Quoteupprdeck:
not sure which is struggling more the hockey D breakout or the Lax D against the 10 man ride.
No question the Lax D is worse. And it shouldn't be that hard. Your upfield middies and attack work an over-and-back across the midfield line to pop someone open by using the offsides rule. There's always confusion among the riders as to who goes across, especially if you use some picks. You can also play some games sneaking in and out at the substitution boxes.
http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/3/13/mens-lacrosse-jeff-teat-named-ivy-league-rookie-of-the-week.aspx Jeff Teat is Ivy League rookie of the week for putting up 11 points (5G, 6A) vs. Virginia. (I thought it was originally recorded as 9 points.) Most points since Tim Goldstein had 11 in 1988. Which begs the question, how many points does Teat need to be player not rookie of the week?
From http://www.ivyleague.com/sports/mlax/2016-17/releases/Men-s_Lacrosse_Weekly_Awards_-_Week_5
Freshman of the week: Jeff Teat, Cornell 5G 6A - 11 points
Player of the week: Austin Sims, Princeton 6G 1A - 6 points
So Teat gets, what, certificates for Shirley Temples in 2017?
So, yes...I'm happy for the kid.
But, might this scoring explosion lead to the elusive first win tomorrow??
::help::
yale is probably one of the best chances to win other than dartmouth/brown.
Quote from: upprdeckyale is probably one of the best chances to win other than dartmouth/brown.
OK, no. Yale wins, 17-8.
The Max Siebald, Rob Pannell days seem sooooo long ago.
::help::
mid 4th we were basically tied in shots while winning less than 30% of the draws. only the virg game did we seem to get the ball on goal
Worst Cornell defense I've ever seen Cornell play in lacrosse. Bring back Ben DeLuca!
Quote from: Ken711Worst Cornell defense I've ever seen Cornell play in lacrosse. Bring back Ben DeLuca!
Has he served his penalty minutes yet?!
Quote from: Johnny 5Quote from: Ken711Worst Cornell defense I've ever seen Cornell play in lacrosse. Bring back Ben DeLuca!
Has he served his penalty minutes yet?!
Probably not.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Johnny 5Quote from: Ken711Worst Cornell defense I've ever seen Cornell play in lacrosse. Bring back Ben DeLuca!
Has he served his penalty minutes yet?!
Probably not.
I think it was non-releasable.::whistle::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Johnny 5Quote from: Ken711Worst Cornell defense I've ever seen Cornell play in lacrosse. Bring back Ben DeLuca!
Has he served his penalty minutes yet?!
Probably not.
I think it was non-releasable.::whistle::
Now that he's the coach in waiting at Harvard with all their resources, why would he leave in all reality.
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1 This week's top ten. Imagine this being possible 10 years ago. Or 5.
1 Rutgers
2 Notre Dame
3 Penn State
4 Ohio State
5 Hofstra
6 Syracuse
7 Denver
8 Army
9 Albany
10 Maryland
The first three Big Ten schools - Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State -- are unbeaten. So is Hofstra. Also in the top 20 are Richmond and BU.
Princeton is 13, Penn & Yale are also-mention. Brown, which just missed making the title game last year, is nowhere to be seen.
Four NYS schools in the top ten: Hofstra, Syracsue, Army, Albany. Binghamton and Stony Brook get a mention.
Perhaps we can argue we are the nation's best 0-5 team.
Given we've been competitive in only one of the five games, having lost the other four by a minimum of 8 goals, can we claim we are the best 0-5 team?
Quote from: CASGiven we've been competitive in only one of the five games, having lost the other four by a minimum of 8 goals, can we claim we are the best 0-5 team?
How many other 0-5 teams are there?
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: CASGiven we've been competitive in only one of the five games, having lost the other four by a minimum of 8 goals, can we claim we are the best 0-5 team?
How many other 0-5 teams are there?
The thought is not original. Flash back to early 2013 (when Cornell was #2 in the polls):
Quote from: LaxAllStars0-5 Bryant is up next [vs. Albany], and they might be the best winless team in the nation. https://laxallstars.com/is-this-d1-lacrosse-poll-serious/
Bryant finished 8-11.
Finally, a dominating 15-6 win over Colgate. Teat with 3G 3A, Rupp and McCulloch with 3G, Knight very solid with 15 saves.
We'll see if they can build on this with a good but not invincible Penn team coming to Schoellkopf on Saturday.
This was a quality win, considering (considering how bad the first give games went). Colgate has wins over Hobart and Bucknell, only lost by 3 to resurgent Binghampton (as USILA current poll spells it); Bucknell and Binghamton are HMs in this week's poll.
Of the 7 players with more than 5 points this year, 5 are freshman/sophomore, 2 are junior/senior. With 6 of 13 RS games played, Jeff Teat has 25 points: 0 1 2 11 5 6. Five points a game the rest of the RS would give him 60 in 13 games. Rob Pannell put up 67 points in 17 games his first year.
Other than the Virgina OT game, when we lose, we lose badly. Let's see if this is a turning point.
faceoffs are really killing this team.. the UV game it was pretty even, others it has been bad.. This game they still lost faceoffs 19-6 but forced a ton of TOs. I would like to think the D has to be getting better since they spend 70% of the game playing it..
Quote from: upprdeckfaceoffs are really killing this team.. the UV game it was pretty even, others it has been bad.. This game they still lost faceoffs 19-6 but forced a ton of TOs. I would like to think the D has to be getting better since they spend 70% of the game playing it..
Didn't our FOGO quit right before the season?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: upprdeckfaceoffs are really killing this team.. the UV game it was pretty even, others it has been bad.. This game they still lost faceoffs 19-6 but forced a ton of TOs. I would like to think the D has to be getting better since they spend 70% of the game playing it..
Didn't our FOGO quit right before the season?
Right you are, Ugarte. Note the cautious and interesting wording:
Quote from: Inside Lacrosse, September 2016FOGO Massimilian No Longer With Cornell Team, Retains Year of Eligibility
"The coaching staff and I both agreed that the Cornell lacrosse program wasn't the right fit for me," [FOGO Domenic] Massimilian says. Massimillian is still enrolled at Cornell and plans to use his fourth and final year of eligibility at another school for the 2018 season. He explained the decision not to transfer and play somewhere else for 2017 saying: "I love Cornell [Hotel School] and wanted to finish my last year here, graduate and then use my last year of eligibility somewhere else while pursuing a graduate degree." http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/fogo-massimilian-no-longer-with-cornell-team-retains-year-of-eligibility/36149
Coach Matt Kerwick danced around the faceoff disparity and called Cornell's 6x25 (25%) "misleading." See the Daily Sun:
Quote from: Jamil Rahmin, Cornell Daily SunOn the field, Cornell was the far more dominant team. One category that the Red was outdone in was faceoffs — — Colgate won 19 of the 25 faceoffs — a component that the team has been weak in all year.
Kerwick wasn't discouraged by the numbers on the stat sheet, however, calling them in this particular instance "misleading."
"It's an interesting stat sometimes — they came up with a few that we ended up sticking with and maybe ended up checking away from them and getting possession back," he said. "Technically we lost the faceoff, but we were able to scrap and create offense from a few of those.
Kerwick added, however, that it's an area the team "certainly has to improve upon" moving forward. http://cornellsun.com/2017/03/21/mens-lacrosse-avoids-0-6-opening-with-win-over-colgate-looks-forward-to-penn/
One wonders if you could put a stick in the hands of Gabe Dean and improve on 25% faceoff success.
O.K., forgive me, please. But, I'm still confused.
The Rasimowicz kids creds are incredible, if they are to be believed.
The announcers touted him as one of the best in the country before the Penn State game.
Then he gets smoked. And, the FO stats continue to unimpress.
Massimillian quits the program, but stays at Cornell. Huh?
DeLuca gets canned under mysterious circumstances and ends up coaching at Harvard?
WTF is going on here!!??
::bang::
And DeLuca also coached at Duke, before becoming the associate head coach at Harvard
Quote from: Johnny 5Massimillian quits the program, but stays at Cornell. Huh?
I guess you weren't paying attention to some of last year's events. If you read his statement carefully you'll see he didn't just "quit the program."
http://www.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61576&start=180
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Johnny 5Massimillian quits the program, but stays at Cornell. Huh?
I guess you weren't paying attention to some of last year's events. If you read his statement carefully you'll see he didn't just "quit the program."
http://www.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61576&start=180
Thanks. I try to pay attention, I really do. Touch of ADHD.
Wasn't aware that he needed anger management intervention.
If true, Kerwick made the right call. Shame.
Guess I also need to widen my sources of lacrosse information.
I always thought that this forum was the ultimate reference. My bad.
Thanks again. ;-)
Quote from: Johnny 5Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Johnny 5Massimillian quits the program, but stays at Cornell. Huh?
I guess you weren't paying attention to some of last year's events. If you read his statement carefully you'll see he didn't just "quit the program."
http://www.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61576&start=180
Thanks. I try to pay attention, I really do. Touch of ADHD.
Wasn't aware that he needed anger management intervention.
If true, Kerwick made the right call. Shame.
Guess I also need to widen my sources of lacrosse information.
I always thought that this forum was the ultimate reference. My bad.
Thanks again. ;-)
No problem. Hey, I'm glad you care so much.::cheer::
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Johnny 5Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Johnny 5Massimillian quits the program, but stays at Cornell. Huh?
I guess you weren't paying attention to some of last year's events. If you read his statement carefully you'll see he didn't just "quit the program."
http://www.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61576&start=180
Thanks. I try to pay attention, I really do. Touch of ADHD.
Wasn't aware that he needed anger management intervention.
If true, Kerwick made the right call. Shame.
Guess I also need to widen my sources of lacrosse information.
I always thought that this forum was the ultimate reference. My bad.
Thanks again. ;-)
No problem. Hey, I'm glad you care so much.::cheer::
I do. I'm an alum.
And, I've successfully encouraged many of my former students to choose my alma mater; some of them stellar lax players.
So, I've had a vested interest for a long time.
Perhaps, one reason why I dislike the Syracuse program as much as I do?
"Go Big Red!!" ::rock::
*tugs collar* 10-9 Penn.
Quote from: ugarte*tugs collar* 10-9 Penn.
Crushing loss. We led 9-7, gave up 3 straight to Penn, had the ball at the end, sent a shot just high ... and Penn had the play backed up better than Cornell, so Quakers got the ball and ran down the clock. Note this: With just a couple seconds left to play to protect that one goal lead, Penn's clear was this: loft the ball skyward into the far end of the field. No danger of a takeaway. I'm not sure where it came down because the video guy didn't pan to follow. But the game ended, no miracle at the midfield.
Freshman Connor Fletcher had another monster game, 5G 1A, 21 points after 7 games. Jeff Teat was 2-1, 29 points for the season.
We are 0-2 in the Ivies now. Penn was a game Cornell needed to win to have a reasonable chance to make the playoffs. Seven teams, four go. We have to find 4 wins, maybe three, out of Brown (maybe), Princeton (maybe not), Dartmouth (good chance, just 1 win overall), Harvard (?). A 4-2 team always goes, a 3-3 team did last year; in 2015, 3-3 Yale went, 3-3 Penn (which lost RS to Yale) did not.
This week, HM Yale upset #12 Princeton 16-13 and Harvard beat Dartmouth 14-7. http://www.ivyleague.com/sports/mlax/2016-17/standings
The nation's best freshman may be Michael Sowers of Princeton, 19-23--42 after eight games. Versus Yale, first game without a goal. #10 on Inside Lacrosse freshman rankings.
cornell had UV beat, throttled colgate who almost too down Army and Army beat SU, then cornell had Penn beat late too.
at least its been a game worth watching late. too bad its only the fr who seem to be doing anything, get 2-3 of those next year and maybe we have something going in the right diection.
Quote from: billhowardA 4-2 team always goes, a 3-3 team did last year; in 2015, 3-3 Yale went, 3-3 Penn (which lost RS to Yale) did not.
3-3 usually gets in; that Penn team is the only exception in the history of the ILT. Basically you need to beat the 3 teams that don't get in.
But we really needed the win over Penn today to have a decent shot at 3-3.
Cornell isn't going to the playoffs this year, that is clearly evident.
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Quote from: billhowardNote this: With just a couple seconds left to play to protect that one goal lead, Penn's clear was this: loft the ball skyward into the far end of the field. No danger of a takeaway.
Fortunately, a game where this play would have resulted in a national championship never actually happened.
We're still repressing, right?
And, what team is now ranked #1 in D-1 at 9-0??
Wow, where can we find a coach like that!!??
::bang::
4 of top 10 this week are from New York State http://www.usila.org/index.aspx
5 Syracuse
7 Hofstra
8 Albany'
9 Army
Plus Stony Brook and Binghamton received votes.
Quote from: Johnny 5And, what team is now ranked #1 in D-1 at 9-0??
Wow, where can we find a coach like that!!??
There was never any chance Tambroni would stay at Cornell. Great coaches leave the Ivys for better recruiting elsewhere. The list includes Starsia, Tierney, Tillman, and Tiffany in addition to Tambroni.
On this basis, I suggest looking for a new coach whose name begins with S or (preferably) T!
Quote from: CU77Quote from: Johnny 5And, what team is now ranked #1 in D-1 at 9-0??
Wow, where can we find a coach like that!!??
There was never any chance Tambroni would stay at Cornell. Great coaches leave the Ivys for better recruiting elsewhere. The list includes Starsia, Tierney, Tillman, and Tiffany in addition to Tambroni.
On this basis, I suggest looking for a new coach whose name begins with S or (preferably) T!
Yeah, but Tierney was at Princeton for 22 seasons and was already a Hall of Famer when he left. Hardly a "stepping stone" stay.
The Ivies have no cap on what they can pay the coaches. They could, with endowed chairs of coaching, match most of the highest paying schools in hockey-lax-wrestling. Or we identify the climbers who'll give Cornell 5-10 years on the way up.
Quote from: billhowardThe Ivies have no cap on what they can pay the coaches. They could, with endowed chairs of coaching, match most of the highest paying schools in hockey-lax-wrestling. Or we identify the climbers who'll give Cornell 5-10 years on the way up.
Correct. Harvard pays their basketball coach Tommy Amaker $700,000.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/the-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardThe Ivies have no cap on what they can pay the coaches. They could, with endowed chairs of coaching, match most of the highest paying schools in hockey-lax-wrestling. Or we identify the climbers who'll give Cornell 5-10 years on the way up.
Correct. Harvard pays their basketball coach Tommy Amaker $700,000.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/the-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
Some coaches must be getting residuals on this list of 119. Rick Majerus checked December 2012.
Quote from: Celebrity Net WorthThe Highest Paid College Basketball Coaches:
[list=1]Mike Krzyzewski – Duke: $9.7 million
Rick Pitino – Louisville: $5.8 million
John Calipari – Kentucky: $5.5 million
Bill Self – Kansas: $5 million
Billy Donovan – Florida: $3.9 million
Tom Izzo – Michigan State: $3.9 million
Steve Alford – UCLA: $3.5 million
Thad Matta – Ohio State: $3.3 million
Bob Huggins – West Virginia: $3 million
Josh Pastner – Memphis: $2.7 million
Sean Miller – University of Arizona: $2.6 million
Rick Barnes – Texas: $2.6 million
John Beilein – Michigan: $2.5 million
Jay Wright – Villanova: $2.5 million
Travis Ford – Oklahoma State: $2.5 million
Jamie Dixon – Pittsburgh: $2.4 million
Bo Ryan – Wisconsin: $2.4 million
Matt Painter – Purdue: $2.325 million
Tom Crean – Indiana: $2.240 million
Tony Bennett – Virginia: $2.3 million
Lon Kruger – Oklahoma: $2.2 million
Scott Drew – Baylor: $2.1 million
Mark Gottfried – North Carolina State: $2 million
Kevin Stallings – Vanderbilt: $1.922 million
John Thompson III – Georgetown: $1.894 million
Dana Altman – Oregon: $1.8 million
Roy Williams – North Carolina: $1.71 million
Frank Haith – Tulsa: $1.6 million
Frank Martin – University of South Carolina: $1.56 million
Jim Boeheim – Syracuse: $1.521 million
Leonard Hamilton – Florida State: $1.5 million
Gregg Marshall – Wichita State: $1.45 million
Jim Larranaga – Miami: $1.3 million
Mick Cronin – Cincinnati: $1.25 million
Shaka Smart – Virginia Commonwealth: $1.19 million
Mark Few – Gonzaga: $1.056 million
Greg McDermott – Creighton: $1.025 million
Stan Heath – South Florida: $875,000
Fred Hoiberg – Iowa State: $850,000
Steve Fisher – San Diego State: $800,000
Tommy Amaker – Harvard: $700,000
Jim Ferry – Duquesne: $600,000
Tad Boyle – Colorado: $580,000
Tim Miles – University of Nebraska: $585,000
Mike Brey – Notre Dame: $573,974
Fran Dunphy – Temple: $547,403
Rick Byrd – Belmont: $524,674
Chris Mack – Xavier: $484,399
Dave Rice – Nevada Las Vegas: $450,000
Dan Monson – Long Beach State: $445,054
Larry Eustachy – Colorado State: $430,000
Randy Bennett – Saint Mary's: $396,317
Ray Harper – Western Kentucky: $375,000
Ray McCallum – Detroit: $341,775
Marvin Menzies – New Mexico State: $340,500
Mark Schmidt – St. Bonaventure: $328,465
Bob McKillop – Davidson: $321,345
John Giannini – La Salle: $275,000
Steve Prohm – Murray State: $205,000
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardThe Ivies have no cap on what they can pay the coaches. They could, with endowed chairs of coaching, match most of the highest paying schools in hockey-lax-wrestling. Or we identify the climbers who'll give Cornell 5-10 years on the way up.
Correct. Harvard pays their basketball coach Tommy Amaker $700,000.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/the-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
Some coaches must be getting residuals on this list of 119. Rick Majerus checked December 2012.
Quote from: Celebrity Net WorthThe Highest Paid College Basketball Coaches:
[list=1]Mike Krzyzewski – Duke: $9.7 million
Rick Pitino – Louisville: $5.8 million
John Calipari – Kentucky: $5.5 million
Bill Self – Kansas: $5 million
Billy Donovan – Florida: $3.9 million
Tom Izzo – Michigan State: $3.9 million
Steve Alford – UCLA: $3.5 million
Thad Matta – Ohio State: $3.3 million
Bob Huggins – West Virginia: $3 million
Josh Pastner – Memphis: $2.7 million
Sean Miller – University of Arizona: $2.6 million
Rick Barnes – Texas: $2.6 million
John Beilein – Michigan: $2.5 million
Jay Wright – Villanova: $2.5 million
Travis Ford – Oklahoma State: $2.5 million
Jamie Dixon – Pittsburgh: $2.4 million
Bo Ryan – Wisconsin: $2.4 million
Matt Painter – Purdue: $2.325 million
Tom Crean – Indiana: $2.240 million
Tony Bennett – Virginia: $2.3 million
Lon Kruger – Oklahoma: $2.2 million
Scott Drew – Baylor: $2.1 million
Mark Gottfried – North Carolina State: $2 million
Kevin Stallings – Vanderbilt: $1.922 million
John Thompson III – Georgetown: $1.894 million
Dana Altman – Oregon: $1.8 million
Roy Williams – North Carolina: $1.71 million
Frank Haith – Tulsa: $1.6 million
Frank Martin – University of South Carolina: $1.56 million
Jim Boeheim – Syracuse: $1.521 million
Leonard Hamilton – Florida State: $1.5 million
Gregg Marshall – Wichita State: $1.45 million
Jim Larranaga – Miami: $1.3 million
Mick Cronin – Cincinnati: $1.25 million
Shaka Smart – Virginia Commonwealth: $1.19 million
Mark Few – Gonzaga: $1.056 million
Greg McDermott – Creighton: $1.025 million
Stan Heath – South Florida: $875,000
Fred Hoiberg – Iowa State: $850,000
Steve Fisher – San Diego State: $800,000
Tommy Amaker – Harvard: $700,000
Jim Ferry – Duquesne: $600,000
Tad Boyle – Colorado: $580,000
Tim Miles – University of Nebraska: $585,000
Mike Brey – Notre Dame: $573,974
Fran Dunphy – Temple: $547,403
Rick Byrd – Belmont: $524,674
Chris Mack – Xavier: $484,399
Dave Rice – Nevada Las Vegas: $450,000
Dan Monson – Long Beach State: $445,054
Larry Eustachy – Colorado State: $430,000
Randy Bennett – Saint Mary's: $396,317
Ray Harper – Western Kentucky: $375,000
Ray McCallum – Detroit: $341,775
Marvin Menzies – New Mexico State: $340,500
Mark Schmidt – St. Bonaventure: $328,465
Bob McKillop – Davidson: $321,345
John Giannini – La Salle: $275,000
Steve Prohm – Murray State: $205,000
There are some reports that Amaker is making close to $1 million with athletic companies and alumni dollars added on.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardThe Ivies have no cap on what they can pay the coaches. They could, with endowed chairs of coaching, match most of the highest paying schools in hockey-lax-wrestling. Or we identify the climbers who'll give Cornell 5-10 years on the way up.
Correct. Harvard pays their basketball coach Tommy Amaker $700,000.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/the-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
Nice list except it appears to date in original form to pre-2013 with an update in 2015 (current date is March 2015). Reader comments noted that Rick Majerus was doing well considering he made the list yet died in December 2012. He isn't mentioned now. Roy Williams is a steal at UNC at $1.71M if that's anywhere near current.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Quote from: billhowardThe Ivies have no cap on what they can pay the coaches. They could, with endowed chairs of coaching, match most of the highest paying schools in hockey-lax-wrestling. Or we identify the climbers who'll give Cornell 5-10 years on the way up.
Correct. Harvard pays their basketball coach Tommy Amaker $700,000.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/the-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
Nice list except it appears to date in original form to pre-2013 with an update in 2015 (current date is March 2015). Reader comments noted that Rick Majerus was doing well considering he made the list yet died in December 2012. He isn't mentioned now. Roy Williams is a steal at UNC at $1.71M if that's anywhere near current.
The point is that Ivy League schools can pay their coaches very competitive salaries in some sports if they so desire.
is harvard paying for the coach or is it endowed in some way?
Quote from: upprdeckis harvard paying for the coach or is it endowed in some way?
Probably a combination, the position is endowed.
http://www.gocrimson.com/information/support/endowed
Quote from: RichHTierney was at Princeton for 22 seasons and was already a Hall of Famer when he left. Hardly a "stepping stone" stay.
True enough. But Princeton just got incredibly lucky with Tierney. No one had any idea that he was going to be the greatest lax coach of all time when PU hired him.
Whatever magic/luck Princeton had back then is gone. The guy they picked to replace Tierney is now coaching high school. Which shows how hard it is to pick good coaches, especially (I would say) in the more obscure sports like lax.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: upprdeckis harvard paying for the coach or is it endowed in some way?
Probably a combination, the position is endowed.
http://www.gocrimson.com/information/support/endowed
Here's one we don't have:
Quote from: Harvard Athletic EndowmentsSkiing, Alpine & Nordic (Men's & Women's) – The Paul J. Finnegan Family Head Coach for Harvard Skiing
And where do they practice and compete?
Princeton is still #12 in this year's poll, which we are not, even after losing their old coach, Chris Bates, in early April 2016 after running on field and bumping/pushing a Brown player. And it's Princeton right now with the arguably best freshman in the country in Michael Sowers, 42 points in 8 games. (He was No. 10 on the Inside Lacrosse Top 100 where Jeff Teat was No. 1.)
Hey, there's always Dartmouth!!
::help::
It used to be the football was terrible, but you could always look to hockey, and then that nice stretch with basketball, and if all else failed, you could always look to Spring and lacrosse. Ahhh the good ole days. ::worry::
1st period 4-0 cornell.. outshot Dart. 18-0
I dont think i have ever seen that, still the key to this team is 18 shots only on net.
how would people feel had CU not blown the late leads against UV and Penn, and were playing today to go to 4-4 and 2-1 in the ivy, it would seem to be trending up even if its a slow trend
solid win never in doubt.
if yale were to win today and brown loses every team would have a loss and cornell 1-2 would not be out of the realm to make the Ivy tourney..
I think they have Harvard next week which is probably the make or break part of the season 2-2 keeps the hope alive, 1-3 probably does them in.
They will need to beat Harvard and Brown on the road to have a shot at the ILT (or lose one of those and beat Princeton at home). So far, they have not shown the resillience under pressure needed to win close games, but hope springs eternal.
Cornell looking decent at Harvard. Down 5-2, runs off 3 straight for a 5-5 tie at the half. We are getting clobbered on faceoffs against a Harvard team that went something like 6x32 vs. Albany.
Harvard announcers do a very nice job talking about Cornell players and not just Jeff Teat. We could do with a little less on the Harvard players who bailed on Cornell when Ben DeLuca was exiled, especially Joe Lang who had a good first half vs. Cornell [edit add:] and wound up with his third hat trick vs. Cornell in his career.
Second half: Cornell rolls off 5 straight, goes up 12-7 with 2 minutes to play, gives up a couple very late goals.
Good defensive effort by Cornell. Knight solid in goal. Harvard was sloppy on clears, Cornell had a number of takeaways.
Cornell is now 2-2 in the Ivies with Brown (hopefully a win) and Princeton (tough to win) left.
big win by cornell
down 5-2 and then runs it out 10-2 to go up 12-7 late
late game issues with the penalties let harvard score at the end
would love that penn game finish back now
Quote from: upprdeckbig win by cornell
down 5-2 and then runs it out 10-2 to go up 12-7 late
late game issues with the penalties let harvard score at the end
would love that penn game finish back now
Much improved, especially on the defensive end. You're right that Penn game may really come back to bite us for the Ivy tournament. But we still have a reasonable chance, which did not look likely a few weeks ago.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: upprdeckbig win by cornell
down 5-2 and then runs it out 10-2 to go up 12-7 late
late game issues with the penalties let harvard score at the end
would love that penn game finish back now
Much improved, especially on the defensive end. You're right that Penn game may really come back to bite us for the Ivy tournament. But we still have a reasonable chance, which did not look likely a few weeks ago.
Cornell is Penn's only win so far.
Yale 4-0
Princeton 2-1
Brown 2-1
Cornell 2-2
Harvard 1-2
Penn 1-3
Dartmouth 0-3 Princeton plays @Dartmouth, Harvard, Cornell
Brown plays Yale, Cornell, @Dartmouth
Cornell plays @Brown, Princeton
Harvard plays Penn, @Princeton, Yale
It would be a near-miracle for Dartmouth to win a game against anyone except Penn. Losses to Harvard by 7, Cornell by 9, Yale by 7.
Brown beat Harvard 13-8, Penn 11-8, lost at Princeton 21-11.
If we can beat Brown, and Harvard beats Penn, we will most likely make the ILT.
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/IMG_3122.jpg
Big game tomorrow night!
::cheer::
Quote from: Johnny 5http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/IMG_3122.jpg
Big game tonight!
::cheer::
Actually tomorrow - but point well taken
Thank you.
Doesn't pay to hurry.
::bang::
Quote from: Johnny 5Doesn't pay to hurry.
::bang::
twss
Just in time for Tuesday's game: Syracuse climbs from 2 to 1 in the Media Poll. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/17 (Former #1 Penn State fell 15-11 to now #3 Maryland and dropped to #7).
Syracuse is #2 in the USILA poll. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/usila/polls/17/8
We are not, as yet, up into also-receiving-votes territory. Future opponents Lehigh and Brown are also unranked. Princetton is 14/13 in the coaches and media polls.
Cornell women are 8/8 in the coaches and media polls. http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-women/d1/iwlca-coaches Just behind Princeton.
O.K,....if we don't get blown out I will definitely go to church Easter Sunday and give thanks.
Should (by some miracle) we win, I'll donate all my worldly possessions to the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Posthumously, of course.
::stupid::
syracuse has played a bunch of 1 goal games and let teams hang around. they are pretty good but also pretty easy to see them sitting around .500 right now with very little change in the games.
SU with three daggers to end an otherwise close first half. The CU shot which hit the pipe but led to a SU goal was vintage SU v CU. Plus the final goal of the half with 0.1 seconds left is just unexcusable.
Going to be very hard for Cornell to comeback since the Big Red only went 3-12 at the faceoff X in the first half and SU has been a better second half team much of the year.
Quote from: MattShafSU with three daggers to end an otherwise close first half. The CU shot which hit the pipe but led to a SU goal was vintage SU v CU. Plus the final goal of the half with 0.1 seconds left is just unexcusable.
Going to be very hard for Cornell to comeback since the Big Red only went 3-12 at the faceoff X in the first half and SU has been a better second half team much of the year.
I'm not sure why you say that goal was "unexcusable" [sic]. The defensive player was all over him and the Syracuse kid pulled off an amazing shot just in the nick of time.
The shot that hit the crossbar and rebounded three-quarters of the field was the killer.
I'm afraid that the faceoff X will prove to be the killer.
It is now a rout.
::panic::
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/IMG_3128.jpg
::help::
We play Lehigh this weekend, Princeton in two weeks. Tuesday unranked Lehigh at home built up a 10-1 lead on Princeton and rolled to a 15-10 victory. That seems to improve our odds of beating Princeton and reduce the odds of beating Lehigh.
Of course, beating Princeton is much more important. Princeton has been very streaky, but I would put them as favorites over Cornell, especially if the game has ILT implications for them. In between is Brown on the road, also a streaky team, lost to Princeton by a bunch.
If Cornell can beat both Brown and Princeton, they still have an outside shot at the #1 seed in the ILT. We need Brown to beat Yale, and Harvard to beat Penn, this weekend (and Princeton to beat Dartmouth, but that's almost certain) for this scenario to remain alive.
Quote from: CU77Of course, beating Princeton is much more important. Princeton has been very streaky, but I would put them as favorites over Cornell, especially if the game has ILT implications for them. In between is Brown on the road, also a streaky team, lost to Princeton by a bunch.
If Cornell can beat both Brown and Princeton, they still have an outside shot at the #1 seed in the ILT. We need Brown to beat Yale, and Harvard to beat Penn, this weekend (and Princeton to beat Dartmouth, but that's almost certain) for this scenario to remain alive.
Why Princeton over Dartmouth?
not sure we really want princeton to win
Wait,...we win 3 of 22 FO thru three periods and we're up by four!!??
::doh::
Cornell 16 Lehigh 11 today. Jeff Teat with 8 points.
Lehigh 15 Princeton 10 last week.
... feeling a little better about the last two games vs. Brown and Princeton
Also:
Penn 14, Harvard 10
Yale 18, Brown 12
Princeton at Dartmouth, later game
Standings now
Yale 5-0 will host Ivy tournament, has already played Princeton
Prin 2-1 likely to be 3-1 after Dartmouth
Brown 2-2
Corn 2-2
Penn 2-3 holds tiebraker vs. Cornell
Harv 1-3
Dart 0-3 likely to be 0-4
hard to understand this team sometimes.. but still losing 80% of the faceoffs is usually something you cant overcome.
winning one of the last 2 could well sneak them in. they could still avoid finishing 4th and getting yale too.
Quote from: upprdeckhard to understand this team sometimes.. but still losing 80% of the faceoffs is usually something you cant overcome.
And, I doubt they will ever be a top 10 (20?) team unless they get this FO gremlin figured out; regardless of how many records the freshmen set.
::help::
dont lose the late 2 goal leads vs penn and uv and they are 6-5 and on the edge of making the tourney. some pretty big programs are going to struggle to get in this year like UNC and virg will not be going. Had JH lost yesterday they probably wouldnt have made it and they are ranked.
harvard losing to penn really creates chaos in the ivy
penn 2-3 with dartmouth left let so they probably get to 3-3
cornell - brown play this week if cornell wins brown probably ends 3-3 with dart left
if cornell loses to princeton it ends 3-3
thats a 3 way tie for 3rd-4th all will have lost to yale and princeton and all split the series with each other
if cornell loses to brown and beats princeton they are probably out unless harvard beats them too
then you could end up with
yale
brown
cu 3-3
penn 3-3
princeton 3-3
and if harvard beats yale 3-3
4 way tie for 4th
and a dartmouth upset vs brown makes it a 5 way tie.
is the rule still the tie breaker after the h2h and thplay against top teams in order a random draw?
Wins over both Brown and Princeton guarantee Cornell the #2 seed in the ILT. Lose either game, and Cornell needs help. In particular, a lost to Brown on Saturday, coupled with wins by Penn over Dartmouth and Princeton over Harvard (both likely), would leave Cornell out of the ILT, which would be Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn.
I've posted a complete list of all 64 possible outcomes for the remaining 6 Ivy games, and the resulting ILT seeds, at laxpower:
http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61554&start=240#p1502206
On laxpower, CU 77 ran though all of the scenarios. http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61554&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=240 It looks like: if Cornell beats Brown, the worst that can happen is a three way tie for third with Brown and Penn that would be broken by random draw. CU77, if I got that wrong, please correct me. And thanks for crunching the numbers.
I'm not sure how I missed the post right above mine.::smashfreak:: Thanks for not pointing out my stupidity.
Yes, that's correct, but the random-draw for #3 is the most likely outcome if Cornell does not also beat Princeton. Other outcomes require a Dartmouth win over either Brown or Penn (or both), which is not going to happen.
In the random-draw scenario, Cornell has a 1/3 chance for seed #3, a 1/3 chance for seed #4, and a 1/3 chance to be left out entirely.
Quote from: CU77Yes, that's correct, but the random-draw for #3 is the most likely outcome if Cornell does not also beat Princeton. Other outcomes require a Dartmouth win over either Brown or Penn (or both), which is not going to happen.
In the random-draw scenario, Cornell has a 1/3 chance for seed #3, a 1/3 chance for seed #4, and a 1/3 chance to be left out entirely.
In the Laxpower forum, you said that after the #3 seed is chosen, the #4 seed would be selected based on head-to-head result from remaining tied teams. This can be inferred from the criteria you posted...
3. In the case of a multiple tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot:
a. The higher seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie.
b. Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.
c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken. ?
4. If a tie still persists, it will be broken by a random draw conducted by the Executive Director....
but it does not explicitly have subparagraphs a, b, and c under criteria 4 like it does under criteria 3.?
According to people I consulted who are familiar with Ivy procedures, we revert to the earlier tiebreakers when possible.
Yale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.
Brown nipped Providence 13-12 in double OT tonight at Providence.
Some strange stats: Brown wins the faceoff battle, 21-8; Providence outshoots Brown 57-37
Quote from: billhowardYale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.
But they can't figure out that the championship is also being played there??
Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown nipped Providence 13-12 in double OT tonight at Providence.
Some strange stats: Brown wins the faceoff battle, 21-8; Providence outshoots Brown 57-37
Those are pretty strange.
Beating Brown in Providence on Saturday is a tall order, but Cornell is very likely out of the ILT without that win ...
Quote from: CU77Quote from: billhowardYale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.
But they can't figure out that the championship is also being played there??
I know the sports information staff is overworked and some work-study intern didn't change the "TBD" in both places. But still, this same kid will graduate law school, forget to include a comma in a contract, and $100 million in payments goes the opposite of what's intended.
When was the Brown game moved from 1pm to 4pm?
Nice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Quote from: upprdeckNice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Not so nice for those of us who were planning to go if that's why the start time changed.::pissed::
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckNice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Not so nice for those of us who were planning to go if that's why the start time changed.::pissed::
And totally frustrating to those of us stuck on a plane somewhere over the Canadian arctic.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: upprdeckNice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Not so nice for those of us who were planning to go if that's why the start time changed.::pissed::
Disagree, I couldn't go at the earlier time, but now I can attend in person.
Brown announcers, as always, are jackasses.
End of 1 Q, Brown leads 5-4. Cornell has lost EVERY faceoff, as that situation has become almost comical. Cornell's offense looks very sharp, and if we can even win 25% of the faceoffs it's a game that can be won.
missed a 2ft shot are they would be tied after one. at this rate 10% of the draws would be enough.. can they get to 30%?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown announcers, as always, are jackasses.
The PBP guy is that guy who also does their hockey. Not the worst out there, but certainly no comparison to the fine Harvard announcers who are a pleasure to listen to.
Brown wins the 2nd Q faceoff. Brown is now 11 for 11
If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??
::bang::
Quote from: Johnny 5If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??
::bang::
It's certainly trending that way
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Johnny 5If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??
::bang::
It's certainly trending that way
Seriously, what's the solution? Maybe have an open tryout for the entire male student body? ::panic::
7-6 Brown at the half -- without us winning a single faceoff. I've never seen anything like that.
even worse the few TOs they have committed have just been on awful passes otherwise they might be leading..
Quote from: upprdeckeven worse the few TOs they have committed have just been on awful passes otherwise they might be leading..
True, but overall I have no real quibble with our offense is playing. We're pretty efficient considering how few touches we've gotten in the offensive end. And given how much defense we're playing, I think we've done decently on that end.
they have to win now to get in to the tourney, still as solid shot today. any kind of faceoff game and they win this game
Quote from: upprdeckthey have to win now to get in to the tourney, still as solid shot today. any kind of faceoff game and they win this game
Now 10-7 game mid-3Q. We're starting to turnover the ball and Brown is capitalizing.
2 in a row by Teat.
This kid is earning his keep.
::banana::
We're actually winning some faceoffs now but the Brown goalie has gotten hot. However we're within 2 goals at 12-10 with 7:44 left
12-10 with 7:30 to go. Decent shots but unlucky bounces as well as unforced TOs
13-10 final. We actually won a number of faceoffs, but Brown's goalie got hot just when we began peppering him with shots. Knight played well too. We also had too many turnovers. Disappointing result, but we're heading in the right direction. Now we have no chance for Ivy tournament; the Penn loss ultimately killed us.
Despite it all, the outlook heading into next season seems bright. It will be interesting to see if Knight comes back, as he missed last season with an injury and could likely petition the league for a medical redshirt season if he for any reason isn't graduating this year.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Johnny 5If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??
::bang::
It's certainly trending that way
Seriously, what's the solution? Maybe have an open tryout for the entire male student body? ::panic::
Maybe include women??
::thud::
Quote from: Johnny 5Quote from: scoop85Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Johnny 5If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??
::bang::
It's certainly trending that way
Seriously, what's the solution? Maybe have an open tryout for the entire male student body? ::panic::
Maybe include women??
Well the women's lax team choked away an 11-9 lead in last 2:40 to lose to Princeton 12-11 in OT; game-tying goal was scored with 2.9 seconds left. So, there's that.
::thud::
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/IMG_3176.jpg
Can someone in the know tell me how the recruiting looks for next year and on down the line? Is there reason to be optimistic Cornell can be a top flight team again in the next few years?
Thanks
Recruiting is not the problem, the problem is coaching the recruits into an effective team.
Quote from: CU2007Can someone in the know tell me how the recruiting looks for next year and on down the line? Is there reason to be optimistic Cornell can be a top flight team again in the next few years?
Thanks
Since you asked:
The next two classes look quite good, and I think next year's incoming class is especially strong. The four most acclaimed guys are midfielder Matt Licciardi from Long Island, defenseman Andrew Fowler from the D.C. area, attackman Billy Coyle from Philly, and midfielder Jonathan Donville from Ontario who is playing this year for Deerfield Academy. Licciardi is a do-it-all kid who's small but has great skills and smarts. I've seen him play twice and he's quite impressive. Donville is the younger brother of former Cornell goalie Brennan Donville, and he played on the Canadian U-19 team wth current Cornellians Buhlen, Teat and Petterson. There are a number of other well-regarded players in the class, including middie Harrison Bardwell, attachmen John Pocatelli and Joe Wolf, and defenseman Dominic Doria, who was formerly a Navy commit.
In the 2018 class the top-ranked guy (and of course the "rankings" are just some guy's opinions) is Jake Stevens, a Canadian midfielder who plays for prep powerhouse Culver Military Academy. Some other interesting players in that class include Nico Ragaini, a midfielder from Connecticut who's also a standout football player, goalie Chase Ierlan from NY powerhouse Victor, and Max Fields, a defenseman from Massachusetts.
this team is not that far way from competing right now. That being said you cant lost 20 faceoffs in a row. If Teat gets bigger so he can create under pressure he will be really good
Quote from: upprdeckthis team is not that far way from competing right now. That being said you cant lost 20 faceoffs in a row. If Teat gets bigger so he can create under pressure he will be really good
Agreed. Lots of hand-wringing on the Laxpower thread, and I don't know if Kerwick is the "guy" who can return the team to national prominence. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think next season will be a better read on his coaching and leadership ability, as most of our top players will be sophomores and juniors. In my mind we should be at minimum 4-2 in the Ivy League and reach the Ivy League tournament final. Anything less and I think the Kerwick critics may be vindicated.
it's not like Cornell is going to pay top dollar for a couch anyways, so best to let Kerwick get a couple full recruiting classes in, then see where things are at w/the program. Worse comes to worse a new coach takes over a team loaded with upperclassmen in a couple years.
Quote from: scoop85... I'm willing to give [Kerwick] the benefit of the doubt, and I think next season will be a better read on his coaching and leadership ability, as most of our top players will be sophomores and juniors. In my mind we should be at minimum 4-2 in the Ivy League and reach the Ivy League tournament final. Anything less and I think the Kerwick critics may be vindicated.
These are not bold steps for Cornell lacrosse.
Cornell had the #1 recruit incoming. Princeton may have the #1 freshman in Michael Sowers (#10 on the recruits list), 33-37--70 points in 13 games. Not that Jeff Teat is doing badly at 28-32--60 in 12. (Rob Pannell had 65.)
Is there some reason that Cornell only plays 13 games, but Princeton and Brown play 14?
The number of non-league games depends on what the coaches prefer, and available opponents.
Not a single post about the season-ending game with Princeton. That says words.
Jeff Teat is going to finish with about 65 points, what Rob Pannell had freshman year when he got to play four NCAA tournament games. Pannell was first-team All-Ivy, third-team All-America. Interesting to see how Teat fares.
The 50 pre-season players on the Tewaaraton watch list was cut to 25 Friday. Three Ivy attackmen on the list but not Teat. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/tewaaraton-award-presented-by-under-armour-presents-25-men-s-finalists/49278
Nick Aponte, Penn State - Sr., Attack
Trevor Baptiste, Denver - Jr., Face-off
Jack Bruckner, Duke - Sr., Attack
Josh Byrne, Hofstra - Sr., Attack
Connor Cannizzaro, Denver - Sr., Attack
Jack Concannon, Hofstra - Jr., Goalie
Zach Currier, Princeton - Sr., Midfield
Connor Fields, Albany - Jr., Attack
Nick Fields, Johns Hopkins - Sr., Defense
Jake Froccaro, Villanova - Sr., Midfield
Justin Guterding, Duke - Jr., Attack
Colin Heacock, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Nick Mariano, Syracuse - Sr., Midfield
Dylan Molloy, Brown - Sr., Attack
Sergio Perkovic, Notre Dame - Sr., Midfield
Benny Pugh, Richmond - Sr., Goalie
Matt Rambo, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Ben Reeves, Yale - Jr., Attack
Sergio Salcido, Syracuse - Sr., Midfield
John Sexton, Notre Dame - Jr., Long Stick Midfield
Michael Sowers, Princeton - Fr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Soph., Attack
Joel Tinney, Johns Hopkins - Jr., Midfield
Zed Williams, Virginia - Sr., Attack
Jake Withers, Ohio State - Sr., Face-off
Quote from: billhowardNot a single post about the season-ending game with Princeton. That says words.
I figured that folks would get tired of my pissing and moaning about the faceoff situation.
::deadhorse::
P.S. But, have I mentioned lately how much I can't stand Syracuse (add the name of any sport)?
::flipa::
Quote from: underskillit's not like Cornell is going to pay top dollar for a couch anyways, so best to let Kerwick get a couple full recruiting classes in, then see where things are at w/the program. Worse comes to worse a new coach takes over a team loaded with upperclassmen in a couple years.
AN is not giving us any other choice. But a few things that can be fixed with good coaching are still broken.
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- Faceoffs: OK, I get it. Our stud FOGO had a falling out with the coaches, so he left the team; now it's undermanned at this crucial position. But if you know you have a 70% chance of losing the faceoff, why do you allow your two wings to line up at the midfield stripe? Shouldn't one, or even sometimes both, line up at the defensive end of the side stripe?
- Unforced turnovers: it's amazing how amateurish the passing can be. If I were coach, 50% of practice would be spent on throwing and catching until the team cuts the UFTO's to an elite level. Rather than wait for the ball, players have to run to it to catch it. You don't throw the ball the length of the field when there's no good reason to do so. You don't throw the ball way above the receiver's head, as if you're a NFL quarterback throwing to a tight end.
Teat with 8 pts at the half.. could be a monster game
Cornell leads by 6 in the third, holds on to win 18-17.
Jeff Teat with 12 points 5G 7A, best day of the season, 72 points on the year. Pannell had 65 as freshman. Princeton's stud freshman Michael Sowers was 4-3-7.
Sophomore Jake McCulloch took 9 shots: 2 went wide, 1 was saved, 6 went in. He had the first goal and the GWG with 2:24 to play.
Cornell got possession with about 2 minutes to play and the one-goal lead but didn't take a serious shot at the goal as the shot clock wound down. Princeton set up for a final shot. Jack Pulver of Cornell was flagged with about 10 seconds to play but a loose ball scrum developed and the play didn't stop until 2.3 seconds to play. On the restart, Yale got off one decent shot that Christian Knight saved.
No matter what the game stats say, it *seemed* like a bad day for Cornell on faceoffs and ground balls especially critical ground balls (read: the GBs we lost).
Stats:
GBs Princeton 40-33
FOs, Cornell 20x38 (that's what box score says).
TOs, Princeton 12, Cornell 9.
Saves, 10 for each.
Box score: http://www.cornellbigred.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mlax&id=22825
So Cornell ends 5-8 and would have been in the Ivy tournament had it not lost to Penn by 1 at midseason. Or actually gotten one more win from any other Ivy team, such as Brown last week.
Harvard beats Yale 9-8 so Princeton loses a chance for another Ivy title (tie with Yale).
Yale and Princeton were ranked 11 and 13 going in to this weekend. With losses by both, it looks more and more like only the tournament winner is going on.
Damn! Michael Sowers is the real deal as well. He's at 77 points on the year and should hit 80 with at least one more game (Friday's Ivy tournament).
Another disappointing season, but it ends on a high note.
Quote from: CU77Another disappointing season, but it ends on a high note.
"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over!" ~ G. R. Ford
::thud::
The team that finished the year doesnt lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
Quote from: upprdeckThe team that finished the year doesnt lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
Cornell had six double-digit goal scorers (two freshman, three sophomores and one junior), who accounted for 124 of team's 152 goals. It would be nice if Knight gets another year of eligibility because of last year's injury. That, plus a faceoff stud.
Quote from: upprdeckThe team that finished the year doesnt lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
Provided they solve their face-off problem.
I don't see improvement happening under these coaches, but I will be happy to be proven wrong.
Meanwhile the women are doing well, securing the #1 seed in the Ivy tourney. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/4/30/womens-lacrosse-to-host-ivy-league-tournament.aspx)
However, I don't like the penalty rules in their game, the whole free position shot thing.
Quote from: Jim HylaMeanwhile the women are doing well, securing the #1 seed in the Ivy tourney. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/4/30/womens-lacrosse-to-host-ivy-league-tournament.aspx)
However, I don't like the penalty rules in their game, the whole free position shot thing.
Agreed that there are too many whistles in the women's game that really stops the flow. Put helmets on the gals already and perhaps they will resolve that issue.
Quote from: upprdeckThe team that finished the year doesn't lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
So we're agreed the coaches should not be hanged this year. (Lacrosse only; football, hockey, basketball could go either way.)
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Jim HylaMeanwhile the women are doing well, securing the #1 seed in the Ivy tourney. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/4/30/womens-lacrosse-to-host-ivy-league-tournament.aspx)
However, I don't like the penalty rules in their game, the whole free position shot thing.
Agreed that there are too many whistles in the women's game that really stops the flow. Put helmets on the gals already and perhaps they will resolve that issue.
Or, move the game into the 21st century and let them play by the men's rules?
The women's game is more whistles than lacrosse. Insane.
I mean, if women can carry weapons into combat now....??
Elizabeth Cady Stanton is turning over.
::rock::
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckThe team that finished the year doesn't lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
So we're agreed the coaches should not be hanged this year. (Lacrosse only; football, hockey, basketball could go either way.)
I wouldn't include basketball. Football is a make or break year in my opinion, finish at least 5-5 or time for a new staff.
Quote from: billhowardSo we're agreed the coaches should not be hanged this year. (Lacrosse only; football, hockey, basketball could go either way.)
Wait, what? Why are we hanging hockey coaches?
It's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.
Quote from: CASIt's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.
True, but Tim Pendergast was let go as football coach after 3 years following a humiliating blowout at Penn
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CASIt's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.
True, but Tim Pendergast was let go as football coach after 3 years following a humiliating blowout at Penn
Correct.
...of course that was way back in 2003.
Quote from: CAS...of course that was way back in 2003.
Yes, but Andy was the AD then.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CASIt's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.
True, but Tim Pendergast was let go as football coach after 3 years following a humiliating blowout at Penn
Correct.
The 59-7 blowout at Penn was preceded by six straight league losses to everyone else; in only two Ivy games did we score more than 7 points. And that was it for his head coaching career. Pendergast spent a year at Ithaca as an assistant coach in 2006. The last six years he's been director of football administration at UConn. Trying to recall how it was Pendergast came to Cornell when he had lots of assistant-coach experience but only one year as head coach at Hamilton and a 2-7 record. Does anyone remember what Cornell saw in Pendergast at the time? He wasn't the only person available? After Pendergast was dismissed, the first four finalists also said no thanks. Jim Knowles '87 finally took the job. Compared to that era, Jeff Archer has been a miracle worker.
Fwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
Quote from: CASFwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
But I think the trend with Archer is better, although slower than we would like. 2017 is certainly a critical year to show real improvement.
Quote from: CASFwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
If you're drawing trendlines, Jeff Archer in year 3 would have had to win the opening game by 2 points *and* lose the entire Ivy slate while being held to 7 or less in the majority of them. Archer is also working to overturn Cornell's history of unsuccessful football, 60 years of it, with not one outright, unshared championship in 61 seasons.
I hope Archer is successful, & gets the support from the university he needs. Just a reminder last year we went 2-5 in the Ivies, & lost 6 of our last 7 games.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CASFwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
If you're drawing trendlines, Jeff Archer in year 3 would have had to win the opening game by 2 points *and* lose the entire Ivy slate while being held to 7 or less in the majority of them. Archer is also working to overturn Cornell's history of unsuccessful football, 60 years of it, with not one outright, unshared championship in 61 seasons.
Dave Archer. I beg to differ a little. They were at least competitive under Jim Hofher in the early to mid 1990s.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/league/di/polls/17 -- Maryland, Denver, Syracuse are 1-2-3 in the May 1 poll by USILA.
Harvard's win over Yale pushed Yale from 11 to 17. Cornell's win over Princeton pushed Princeton from 13 to 19. Neither Yale nor Harvard is going to the NCAAs without winning the Ivy tournament.
The poll has 3 Syracuse, 5 Albany, 14 Hofstra, 18 Army and HM Binghamton from NYS. So Cornell went the entire year without even a mention.
On to 2018.
Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?
http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all
::whistle::
Quote from: Johnny 5Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?
http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all
::whistle::
I give up. How do you win more faceoffs than you attempt? According to maxpreps.com (http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all), Trevor Douenias did it in 10 of 12 games, with an overall winning percentage of 141.4.
Quote from: George64Quote from: Johnny 5Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?
http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all
::whistle::
I give up. How do you win more faceoffs than you attempt? According to maxpreps.com (http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all), Trevor Douenias did it in 10 of 12 games, with an overall winning percentage of 141.4.
Alternative facts? New math??
::blush::
Quote from: George64Quote from: Johnny 5Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?
http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all
::whistle::
I give up. How do you win more faceoffs than you attempt? According to maxpreps.com (http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/lacrosse/,faceoff+percentage/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all), Trevor Douenias did it in 10 of 12 games, with an overall winning percentage of 141.4.
Perfect candidate for the new combined B-school where he can major in mutual fund prospectuses.
Jeff Teat, second team All-Ivy!?
Was it the team's overall record?
Did he moon the selection committee??
::screwy::
Princeton's Gavin McBride, who leads all of DI in goals per game, got Honorable Mention.
Nice composite of all of JT51's goals and assists in the Princeton game from Inside Lacrosse:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTpXytblbTq
Quote from: Johnny 5Jeff Teat, second team All-Ivy!?
Was it the team's overall record?
Did he moon the selection committee??
::screwy::
http://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/players-of-the-week/cornells-jeff-teat-named-epoch-us-lacrosse-player-of-the-week
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: Johnny 5Jeff Teat, second team All-Ivy!?
Was it the team's overall record?
Did he moon the selection committee??
::screwy::
http://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/players-of-the-week/cornells-jeff-teat-named-epoch-us-lacrosse-player-of-the-week
That's more like it!
JT may not be the Rodney Dangerfield of lacrosse, after all?!
::banana::
Women's Lax beat Harvard in the Ivy semis but lost to Princeton in the final. I have no idea if they have a chance at an at-large bid. I don't even know how many teams make the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: ugarteWomen's Lax beat Harvard in the Ivy semis but lost to Princeton in the final. I have no idea if they have a chance at an at-large bid. I don't even know how many teams make the NCAA tournament.
Yes, they get an at-large bid playing Notre Dame in 1st round at Princeton. If they win they would likely get a 3rd crack at Princeton
The Cornell-ND game is Friday, the winner plays #5 seed Princeton on Sunday.
Princeton has upped their game recently; they beat Penn 17-8 in the Ivy semis (after losing to them 3 weeks earlier 17-12), and then had leads of 7-1 and 10-3 over Cornell in the Ivy final before winning 12-9.
LGR!
The Ivy League is thinking of having the men's and women's lax tournaments at pre-determined sites starting next year, per an interview with Executive Director Robin Harris at halftime of today's men's final between Brown and Yale on ESPNU.
Yale won, 10-9, and is the only Ivy to get an NCAA bid; the Elis will play at #2 seed Syracuse next Sunday.
Kerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
Quote from: sjactKerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
just came here to post this more ambiguous tweet. https://twitter.com/CornellLacrosse/status/861674900297273344
Quote from: sjactKerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: sjactKerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.
From the article:
QuoteThe release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.
That's next season, no?
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Ken711Quote from: sjactKerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.
From the article:
QuoteThe release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.
That's next season, no?
Yes one full lacrosse season spanning almost two years with the Summer, Fall and Winter workouts.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Ken711Quote from: sjactKerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.
From the article:
QuoteThe release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.
That's next season, no?
Yes one full lacrosse season spanning almost two years with the Summer, Fall and Winter workouts.
Anybody have Max Seibald's phone number??
::help::
This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
Quote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
This.
"If it ain't wrestling, it's not a priority" is the message I get time and time again from this bozo. Who puts off a coaching search for a year??
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Ken711Quote from: sjactKerwick out
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-and-kerwick-parting-ways-milliman-to-take-over-as-interim-head-coach/49433
So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.
From the article:
QuoteThe release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.
That's next season, no?
Yes one full lacrosse season spanning almost two years with the Summer, Fall and Winter workouts.
Isn't through the 2018 season 1 year from now? I've assumed that the summer, fall and winter workouts are part of the 2019 season. After all, the seniors won't be around to participate and in the fall you'll have new freshmen. I can't imagine they'll wait until just before games start in the spring of 2019 to announce a new coach.
Quote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought
Quote from: semsoxQuote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought
I don't get it either. Milliman has been in Ithaca for four years. If you are convinced he's the right guy, give him the job. If not, start the search. I guess this could be a ploy to keep a pretty solid recruiting class together, but it could wreck havoc with the next two years. Sure seems like it has more ways to end badly than end well.
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: semsoxQuote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought
I don't get it either. Milliman has been in Ithaca for four years. If you are convinced he's the right guy, give him the job. If not, start the search. I guess this could be a ploy to keep a pretty solid recruiting class together, but it could wreck havoc with the next two years. Sure seems like it has more ways to end badly than end well.
Maybe the AD has eyes on someone who's contract is ending within the next 12 months? Take a run at someone who we may be able to get? For example, Presslers contract at Bryant is up next year I believe.
I'm always a bit skeptical when someone leaves a good position for amorphous reasons apparently without another job in hand. Kerwick and his family live in Skaneateles, about an hour from Ithaca in the best of circumstances, so that might figure in his decision. Still, there's a lot of young talent on this team and if they live up to expectations, it would relieve much of the pressure on him. It will be interesting to see where he lands.
I suspect MK's contract was up (it's been 3 years since the interim tag was removed) and that he wanted another multiyear contract, but AN was only willing to go year by year. Sheer guesswork on my part, I have no actual info.
I don't believe there's a mystery candidate in 2018. I think AN is just being wishy-washy.
Pressler will not leave Bryant, and especially not for a place where the last two lax coaches' tenures have both come to mysterious ends ...
If you want to follow this discussion on Laxpower. The overwhelming majority of posts feel a coaching search should have begun now.
http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61576&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=940
Quote from: mountainredQuote from: semsoxQuote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought
I don't get it either. Milliman has been in Ithaca for four years. If you are convinced he's the right guy, give him the job. If not, start the search. I guess this could be a ploy to keep a pretty solid recruiting class together, but it could wreck havoc with the next two years. Sure seems like it has more ways to end badly than end well.
I don't find the recruiting-class argument convincing. New recruits are coming to Cornell for 4 years, so incoming recruits in 2017 there's only one year of certainty; with recruits still in the pipeline, there's four full years of uncertainty. If Cornell hired a new lacrosse coach this spring, like every other school/sport that loses its coach in the spring (due to firings, jumping jobs, or whatever), then we'd have a new coach in place by, say, July at the latest and eliminate all the uncertainty. Some recruits might still choose to go elsewhere, but it seems to me the likelihood of this is greater with an unknown coach coming in a year from now. If a coach search were underway right now for the 2018 season, I think most recruits would wait and see who the new coach is before jumping ship. If it's Tierney, they'd all probably stay and we might pick up a few more. If it's some schmo, they might all transfer. But the chance of some schmo being hired in a year is likely to scare off recruits even if the fear is unwarranted.
I'm not sure what role Milliman plays in all this. From what I've read, he's not the sort of guy who attracts recruits. But even if this is wrong and keeping him is necessary to retain recruits, then renew his contract as AC for a year or two but search for a new coach now.
Besides, I see nothing in AN's history that even suggests he takes into account the impact of a coaching change on already existing recruiting.
Inside Lacrosse (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/coughlin-ncaa-tournament-win-probabilities/49485) ranks the teams on odds of going all the way. Albany, not Maryland, is #1. Interesting: 2-seed Syracuse is only ranked 10th on odds of winning the title, 6-seed Hopkins is ranked 12th, 9-seed UNC is ranked 14th. Yale is essentially a pick-em vs. Syracuse (Sunday, 7:30), 49% odds of advancing. First column is IL's ranking on odds of winning the title. Second column is NCAA seeding.
Rank Seed Team Championship Win Odds
1. 8. Albany 12%
2. 11. Duke 11%
3. 1. Maryland 10%
...
10. 2. Syracuse 5%
11. 15. Yale 5%
Note: In D-III, NCAA runner-up 2016 Tufts won its second round game over Keene (NH) State 26-24. A goal every 70 seconds.
Saturday
First game, first upset: Towson 12, Penn State (7-seed) 8. Maybe Tambroni is jinxed come tourney time. Towson gets the Yale at Syracuse winner.
Second game, second upset: Duke 18, Hopkins (6-seed) 6 (9:18 to play). Final, 19-6. Maybe Cornell has become the cradle of one-and-done lax coaches.
Third game, 5-seed Denver beats Air Force, 17-10.
Night game, UNC, defending champ, at Albany. UNC gets the first goal, Albany rolls off 6 straight, UNC scores its second with :10 to play, Albany takes 6 seconds to get it back. Albany 7-2 after one. 14-3 at the half. UNC goalies 3 saves on 17 SOG. Third quarter, Albany attack disappears, no goals, UNC gets 6, 14-9 after three. Albany finally gets one goal late in the fourth and holds on, 15-12. Carolina puts on pressure in the second half and it was almost enough. Great game. Albany faces 1-seed Maryland assuming it doesn't fall to play-in winner Bryant Sunday.
Sunday
4-seed Notre Dame disposes of Marquette 15-9, plays 5-seed Denver.
1-seed Maryland only led Bryant 6-4 at the half, Maryland opened it up to 11-5 after three, Bryant closed a bit at the end, final 13-10. Maryland-Albany will be a key game next Sunday.
3-seed Ohio State leads Loyola 3-2 at the half, 6-4 after three, and a late goal makes it 7-4 final. Played at Ohio Stadium, capacity 104,944. Talk about optimism. On to play Duke Saturday.
2-seed Syracuse vs. Yale, Yale up 6-4 at the half, outshooting Syracuse about 3-1 (many shots at the corners, always backed up by Yale). Syracuse gets the game's last goal, wins 11-10. Yale had possession with a minute to go and 2 timeouts in hand, played on and lost the ball, Syracuse ran out the clock. Two points of note thinking of the Cornell-Syracuse 2009 title game (that never happened): Syracuse scored with less than 2 seconds to play at the end of the second and third, and at the end to protect the lead in the final seconds, Syracuse just tossed the ball up in the air, and by the time the ball came down (to Yale), there wasn't enough to do much of anything.
UNC almost blew a 9 goal lead last week and wouldnt even have gotten in and this week almost came back from an 11 goal deficit.. thats pretty crazy to have almost been outscored by 20 goals over 4 quarters and almost won both games.
Jeff Teat named honorable mention All-America (Media / Inside Lacrosse version). Pannell at this stage was third-team, but on a team headed to the NCAA title game in 2009.
Only first-team AA from the Ivies were Princeton middie Zach Currier and Brown LSM Larken Kemp. The second-team attack was all Ivy League: Ben Reeves, Yale; (freshman) Michael Sowers, Princeton; and reigning Tewaaraton winner Dylan Molloy, Brown.
Inside Lacrosse Media All-America Team http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/5/15/mens-lacrosse-jeff-teat-named-inside-lacrosse-media-all-american.aspx
First Team
A-Connor Fields, Albany
A-Matt Rambo, Maryland
A-Pat Spencer, Loyola
M-Sergio Salcido, Syracuse
M-Zach Currier, Princeton
M-Connor Kelly, Maryland
FO-Trevor Baptiste, Denver
SSDM-Isaiah Davis-Allen, Maryland
LSM-Larken Kemp, Brown
D-Tim Muller, Maryland
D-Brendan Hynes, Richmond
D-Scott Firman, Syracuse
G-Benny Pugh, Richmond
Second Team
A-Ben Reeves, Yale
A-Michael Sowers, Princeton
A-Dylan Molloy, Brown
M-Nick Mariano, Syracuse
M-Sergio Perkovic, Notre Dame
M-Joel Tinney, Johns Hopkins
FO-TD Ierlan, Albany (from Victor NY, ranked 58 on IL Top 100 freshmen; same school as Cornell's Ryan Maloney, ranked 45).
SSDM-Zach Goodrich, Towson
LSM-John Sexton, Notre Dame
D-Ben Randall, Ohio State
D-Garrett Epple, Notre Dame
D-Nick Fields, Johns Hopkins
G-Jack Concannon, Hofstra
Third Team
A-Justin Guterding, Duke
A-Connor Cannizzaro, Denver
A-Tom Moore, Binghamton
M-Jake Froccaro, Villanova
M-Ryan Conrad, Virginia
M-Jack Curran, Villanova
FO-Jake Withers, Ohio State
SSDM-Jack Adams, Towson
LSM-Matt Rees, Navy
D-Austin Pifani, North Carolina
D-Jarrod Neumann, Providence
D-Michael Rexrode, Rutgers
G-Christian Carson-Banister, Boston U.
Honorable Mention
Attack: Josh Byrne, Hofstra; Jeff Teat, Cornell; Zed Williams, Virginia; Nick Aponte, Penn State; Chris Cloutier, North Carolina; Tre LeClaire, Ohio State
Midfield: Dox Aitken, Virginia; Eric Scott, Yale; Cal Dearth, Boston U.; Kyle McClancy, Albany; Brian Sherlock, Loyola
Face-Off: Ben Williams, Syracuse; Stephen Kelly, North Carolina; Gerard Arceri, Penn State
Shortstick D-Middie: Drew Schantz, Notre Dame; Tate Jozokos, North Carolina; Tyler Warner, Yale; Thomas Zenker, Duke
Longstick Middie: Chris Keating, Penn; Tyler Mayes, Towson; Matt Neufeldt, Maryland; Troy Reh, Albany; Craig Chick, Lehigh
Defense: Cade van Raaphorst, Duke; Christian Burgdorf, Denver; Chris Fennell, Navy; Alec Tulett, Brown; Chris Sabia, Penn State; Jack Carrigan, Loyola; Stone Sims, Albany
Goalie: Dan Morris, Maryland; Tom Carey, Ohio State; Jacob Stover, Loyola; Tate Boyce, Providence; Nick Hreshko, Monmouth
Quarterfinals, Saturday:
3-seed Ohio State with 9 in the second taking it to Duke 9-4 (halftime). Despite a 6-3 fourth quarter, Duke falls 16-11. A matchup where it'd be nice for both teams to lose.
5-seed Denver jumps to an 8-1 halftime lead over 4-seed Notre Dame, wins 16-4.
Sunday:
Towson 10, 2-seed Syracuse 7. Factoid from the announcers: As a 1- or 2-seed, Syracuse has been taken down 5 of 6 times.
1-seed Maryland is pummeling Albany, 16-5 in the third. Final 18-9. Albany looked so explosive a week ago.
Next weekend, Towson vs. Ohio State, Denver vs. Maryland. I'm rooting for Cinderalla Towson.
Quote from: billhowardQuarterfinals, Saturday:
3-seed Ohio State with 9 in the second taking it to Duke 9-4 (halftime). Despite a 6-3 fourth quarter, Duke falls 16-11. A matchup where it'd be nice for both teams to lose.
5-seed Denver jumps to an 8-1 halftime lead over 4-seed Notre Dame, wins 16-4.
Sunday:
Towson 10, 2-seed Syracuse 7. Factoid from the announcers: As a 1- or 2-seed, Syracuse has been taken down 5 of 6 times.
1-seed Maryland is pummeling Albany, 16-5 in the third. Final 18-9. Albany looked so explosive a week ago.
Next weekend, Towson vs. Ohio State, Denver vs. Maryland. I'm rooting for Cinderalla Towson.
With all their 1 goal wins, SU was ready to lose. And they have no one to blame than themselves, with an overly aggressive first period leading to the loss.
Towson's goalie has a good knowledge of history, even though there is no record of the game to which he refers.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/photos-recap-analysis-towson-tops-cuse-10-7-heads-back-to-first-final-four-since-2001/49598
"You want to know? Honestly when I thought we had it, was when there was around :03 left and we had the ball," Hoy said. "I started to get flashbacks of the Syracuse-Cornell championship [in 2009], when Syracuse came back to win. I was thinking in my head that could happen here today, and all of that anxiety left, finally, when coach Nads called a timeout with around :03 left."
Quote from: jeff '84Towson's goalie has a good knowledge of history, even though there is no record of the game to which he refers.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/photos-recap-analysis-towson-tops-cuse-10-7-heads-back-to-first-final-four-since-2001/49598
"You want to know? Honestly when I thought we had it, was when there was around :03 left and we had the ball," Hoy said. "I started to get flashbacks of the Syracuse-Cornell championship [in 2009], when Syracuse came back to win. I was thinking in my head that could happen here today, and all of that anxiety left, finally, when coach Nads called a timeout with around :03 left."
What history? That never happened. ::whistle::
Damn all of you.
And it was :09 left.
Cornell freshman Jeff Teat is also an honorable mention All-America on the USILA team.
USILA story: http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/usila-announces-2017-division-i-all-americans/49639
Cornell story: http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/5/24/mens-lacrosse-jeff-teat-named-usila-all-american.aspx
With USIULA, it's not quite the rarified company as the media / Inside Lacrosse AA team. USILA has for All-America at attack:
4 first team (incluing Ben Reeves, Yale)
3 second team
4 third team
24 honorable mention (but just 1 HM goalie)
Quote from: CornellBigRed.comTeat is in rarified company, joining Paul Schimoler '89, Ryan McClay '03, Max Seibald '09, and Rob Pannell '13 as the only Big Red to be named All-American during their freshmen seasons.
Quote from: billhowardCornell freshman Jeff Teat is also an honorable mention All-America on the USILA team.
Teat was second in Division I in points per game, 4th in assists per game. Deserved better.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: billhowardCornell freshman Jeff Teat is also an honorable mention All-America on the USILA team.
Teat was second in Division I in points per game, 4th in assists per game. Deserved better.
Dylan Molloy of Brown took a tumble from Tewaarton winner to second team AA. Suggests a player on a winning team with a high national ranking tends to win more/better recognition: Molloy last year vs. this, freshmen Michael Sowers of Princeton vs. Teat this year, Rob Pannell (NCAA title game as a freshman) vs. Teat (Cornell didn't make Ivy playoffs).
Sources: Ben DeLuca to Be Named Delaware's Next Coach
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/sources-ben-deluca-to-be-named-delaware-s-next-coach/49650
Tell me if you heard this one before: Underdog Towson builds up a goodly lead on #3 Ohio State. 7-3 at the half. Forgets to score much in second half. TOSU up 11-10 very late. Has to clear the ball in the last 10 seconds to win. Around midfield and sort of trapped, Ohio State player lofts the ball skyward, lands near Towson goal, time runs out. Ohio State, 11-10 final.
Maryland 9, Denver 8 in the second game. Both teams had goals waved off in the final 90 seconds, first Maryland then Denver in the last 10 seconds, both with the shooter landing in the crease.
For Cornell fans, can we root for either team? OK, Maryland has a Cornell coach, John Tillman '92. Starting in 1976 when Cornell beat the Terps 16-13 in OT (yes, you had to play a full OT period before sudden death), Maryland has been to the semis 20 times and the title game 9 times with no championships.
If the June 1 announcement of the Tewaaraton winner gives a chance for the finalists to showcase themselves in the championship weekend:
Denver's Trevor Baptiste, 11 of 21 on faceoffs. He had been winning 74% going into the quarterfinals.
Maryland's Matt Rambo, 1 goal, 1 assist.
The other three were gone before this weekend: Ben Reeves, Yale ... Connor Fields, Albany ... Pat Spencer, Loyola.
Quote from: billhowardFor Cornell fans, can we root for either team? OK, Maryland has a Cornell coach, John Tillman '92. Starting in 1976 when Cornell beat the Terps 16-13 in OT (yes, you had to play a full OT period before sudden death), Maryland has been to the semis 20 times and the title game 9 times with no championships.
Have to root for Maryland, a fellow alum is their coach!
Yes it will mean Cornell becomes the team with the longest championship drought, but that's better (IMO) than having an interloper like OSU win (and I grew up in Ohio rooting for OSU football ...).
Maryland 9, Ohio State 6. First title for Maryland since 1975. At least there's a Cornellian as coach, John Tillman '91, as consolation for us.
Quote from: billhowardMaryland 9, Ohio State 6. First title for Maryland since 1975. At least there's a Cornellian as coach, John Tillman '91, as consolation for us.
Can we throw money at him? Maybe have a chicken BBQ.
Appeal to his sense of alumnus loyalty??
::whistle::
Quote from: Johnny 5Quote from: billhowardMaryland 9, Ohio State 6. First title for Maryland since 1975. At least there's a Cornellian as coach, John Tillman '91, as consolation for us.
Can we throw money at him? Maybe have a chicken BBQ. Appeal to his sense of alumnus loyalty?? ::whistle::
Tillman was hired away from Harvard. Reports at the time said he had a 7-year, $150,000 contract at Maryland. The Baltimore Sun in 2014 put Tillman's total compensation at $248,000. Not sure Cornell has that kind of money. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06-26/sports/bal-maryland-coaches-salaries-in-perspective-20140625_1_john-tillman-sasho-cirovski-mark-turgeon Maryland pays its best coaches quite well: The men's soccer coach had total comp of $399,000.
I believe OSU has the nation's highest athletics budget, $110 million as of a couple years ago, about $100,000 per athlete (3X what OSU spends on education per student). The Ohio State lax coach made $342,000 a year ago. The women's lax coach $256,000. The hockey coach made $364,000. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/03/51_ohio_college_coaching_jobs.html
No matter how much you love Cornell, if you have kids who want to go to college, a quarter-million a year builds that college fund pretty quickly.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: mountainredQuote from: semsoxQuote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?
Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought
I don't get it either. Milliman has been in Ithaca for four years. If you are convinced he's the right guy, give him the job. If not, start the search. I guess this could be a ploy to keep a pretty solid recruiting class together, but it could wreck havoc with the next two years. Sure seems like it has more ways to end badly than end well.
I don't find the recruiting-class argument convincing. New recruits are coming to Cornell for 4 years, so incoming recruits in 2017 there's only one year of certainty; with recruits still in the pipeline, there's four full years of uncertainty. If Cornell hired a new lacrosse coach this spring, like every other school/sport that loses its coach in the spring (due to firings, jumping jobs, or whatever), then we'd have a new coach in place by, say, July at the latest and eliminate all the uncertainty. Some recruits might still choose to go elsewhere, but it seems to me the likelihood of this is greater with an unknown coach coming in a year from now. If a coach search were underway right now for the 2018 season, I think most recruits would wait and see who the new coach is before jumping ship. If it's Tierney, they'd all probably stay and we might pick up a few more. If it's some schmo, they might all transfer. But the chance of some schmo being hired in a year is likely to scare off recruits even if the fear is unwarranted.
I'm not sure what role Milliman plays in all this. From what I've read, he's not the sort of guy who attracts recruits. But even if this is wrong and keeping him is necessary to retain recruits, then renew his contract as AC for a year or two but search for a new coach now.
Besides, I see nothing in AN's history that even suggests he takes into account the impact of a coaching change on already existing recruiting.
This story in the Ithaca Journal (http://cornellsun.com/2017/06/04/millimans-message-is-simple-we-need-to-be-playing-better-lacrosse/) suggests that he can recruit.
QuoteIn his time at Cornell as an assistant, Milliman has taken on a big role as the recruiting coordinator. Those efforts have paid off handsomely.
Milliman brought in the first ever No. 1 Inside Lacrosse prospect, Jeff Teat, who just finished 2017 as the highest scoring freshman in program history with 72 points, passing Rob Pannell '13. Teat was ranked the No. 3 freshman at the mid-season point this year, behind TD Ierlan of Albany and eventual Ivy League Rookie of the Year Michael Sowers of Princeton. Fellow Cornellian Brandon Salvatore came in at No. 12 on that list.
Milliman acknowledges the need to "close it out in tough situations," but expresses the hope that the veterans will be able "to impart their wisdom to hopefully flip games like Virginia and Penn."
http://cornellbigred.com/news/2017/6/8/connor-buczek-15-promoted-to-mens-lacrosse-assistant-coach.aspx
Connor Buczek '15 Promoted To Men's Lacrosse Assistant Coach
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Johnny 5Mike being a notable exception, when all a program does is lose, at whose feet is the blame typically placed? Perception is reality?? (God, I hate that expression.)
I wonder, has Rob Pannell ever expressed an interest in coaching?!
::whistle::
Interesting thought, but great players accross the sports spectrum often turn out to be poor coaches.
Perhaps Connor Buczek '15 has the potential to be Cornell's coach of the future. He is the B-school rarity who went straight from undergraduate to Johnson School without work experience in between, was volunteer assistant those two years, and now is a full-time assistant. http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/6/8/connor-buczek-15-promoted-to-mens-lacrosse-assistant-coach.aspx
At least our star sophomore (https://www.bramptonguardian.com/sports-story/7472959-to-see-lacrosse-domination-look-at-brampton-s-jeff-teat/) is having a productive summer! Apparently "junior" lacrosse isn't comparable to junior hockey, since NCAA hockey players can't play junior hockey during the offseason, but apparently NCAA lacrosse players can.
Recruiting: Top 10 Breakthrough Players of Summer 2017
John Piatelli '17, A, St. Sebastian's (Mass.) / Laxachusetts - Cornell
Piatelli had a massive spring, scoring 60 goals and 72 assists for St. Sebastian's en route to an 18-3 record. He was named a US Lacrosse All-American and a first team USA Today National Team selection. Piatelli thrives as a playmaker from behind the cage, so deft in dodging and either finishing or assisting at GLE. He's had one of the more meteoric rises of any outgoing high school senior and is expected to compete for playing time right away once he gets to Ithaca.
With link to a brief highlight:
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-top-10-breakthrough-players-of-summer-2017/50249