Expectations? Number of wins? Will the team be competitive? The Sporting News college football preview issue has the Red finishing last in the Ivies. This is year four of the Archer era. 5-25 to date.
The (lack of) response to this thread reflects the current state of Cornell football.
Optimistic = 5-5
Realistic = 3-7
Less than 3-7 and we may see a coaching change.
Us there any reason to think we are going to improve (beyond hope)?
I'll hang up and take my answer off the air.
I'll be optimistic and say 2-8.
Yes, that's optimistic. I can also see us not winning any games.
Cornell football picked last in Ivy media poll out today.
Quote from: CASCornell football picked last in Ivy media poll out today.
In other shocking news today, the sun rose in the east this morning!
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: CASCornell football picked last in Ivy media poll out today.
In other shocking news today, the sun rose in the east this morning!
For our football team, the sun has faded far away in in the crimson of the West...
Quote from: CASCornell football picked last in Ivy media poll out today.
Eighth not last.
Rather large gap between Columbia picked 7th (43 points) and Cornell (20 points). We seem to be a consensus pick.
Quote from: CASRather large gap between Columbia picked 7th (43 points) and Cornell (20 points). We seem to be a consensus pick.
Last is still last. We are the new "Columbia" in Ivy League football.
Quote from: Ken711Quote from: CASRather large gap between Columbia picked 7th (43 points) and Cornell (20 points). We seem to be a consensus pick.
Last is still last. We are the new "Columbia" in Ivy League football.
Hey, there were at least THREE media members who thought we would finish better than 8th. So that's something!
Keith, think that's a maximum of 3 media members who don't have us finishing last.
Quote from: CASKeith, think that's a maximum of 3 media members who don't have us finishing last.
Yes, no more than three voters could have had us above 8th. Or one crazy man thinking that we'd finish 5th! But that doesn't mean there aren't other members of the media who think so too but didn't get votes. Yeah, that's what I meanT!
Basically, quit picking on the english in my snarky postP
Meant no offense Keith. Was just showing how negative the media is re our football prospects this season, in year 4 of the Archer era (5-25 to date).
Quote from: CASMeant no offense Keith. Was just showing how negative the media is re our football prospects this season, in year 4 of the Archer era (5-25 to date).
No offense taken and if I could actually type there would have been a smiley :-P at the end of my last post instead of a random trailing "P".
Don't see any obvious W's among the four Cornell games that are televised. Although Brown without Dylan Molloy's supporting cast may not be very - um, wrong sport. http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2016/8/11/football-to-play-four-nationally-televised-games-in-2016.aspx
Oct 8 At Harvard
Oct 22 At Brown
Oct 29 Princeton
Nov 19 Penn
Quote from: billhowardDon't see any obvious W's among the four Cornell games that are televised. Although Brown without Dylan Molloy's supporting cast may not be very - um, wrong sport. http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2016/8/11/football-to-play-four-nationally-televised-games-in-2016.aspx
Oct 8 At Harvard
Oct 22 At Brown
Oct 29 Princeton
Nov 19 Penn
FYP
Cynic. We have Columbia's number: the last 3, 4 of the last 5. Should have been 5 of 6 because how in 2010 could Cornell allow Columbia to score 17 unanswered fourth-quarter points and win by 3 (below). Not as sad as Syracuse lacrosse the year before.
Quote from: billhowardCynic. We have Columbia's number: the last 3, 4 of the last 5. Should have been 5 of 6 because how in 2010 could Cornell allow Columbia to score 17 unanswered fourth-quarter points and win by 3 (below). Not as sad as Syracuse lacrosse the year before.
With Bagnoli as coach and with the transfers/recruits he's bringing in, those days of an automatic win for Cornell are I'm afraid going to be over. ::worry::
We had a total of 150 yards of total offense in our 3-0 win over Columbia last year, our lone victory of 2015. Agee with Ken - with Bagnoli & Columbia's recent institutional support for football, this too should be a difficult game for the Red.
Quote from: billhowardCynic.
I'm just saying it isn't obvious.
Cornell football's last win over a team other than Columbia was Nov. 23, 2013.
Quote from: CASCornell football's last win over a team other than Columbia was Nov. 23, 2013.
Yikes.
http://cornellsun.com/2016/09/22/students-cornell-athletics-respond-to-culturally-insensitive-football-coach-tweet/
What planet am I on? How is this offensive to anyone? It's a hat.
BS complaints like that is why Trump is about to become president
Quote from: CU2007http://cornellsun.com/2016/09/22/students-cornell-athletics-respond-to-culturally-insensitive-football-coach-tweet/
What planet am I on? How is this offensive to anyone? It's a hat.
Easy. It's considered, by some, to be
cultural appropriation, or one culture taking elements of another culture, especially from an emerging culture. So if you bring back a sombrero souvenir from Senor Frog, you might be criticized for wearing it when you return from Cancun. Wearing lederhosen might be appropriating from the German culture, although unless you are tall and not husky, looking silly is punishment enough.
You may think this is all BS and you would not be alone. But it's important to at least understand there can be this kind of conflict on campus that didn't exist a generation ago.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: CU2007http://cornellsun.com/2016/09/22/students-cornell-athletics-respond-to-culturally-insensitive-football-coach-tweet/
What planet am I on? How is this offensive to anyone? It's a hat.
Easy. It's considered, by some, to be cultural appropriation, or one culture taking elements of another culture, especially from an emerging culture. So if you bring back a sombrero souvenir from Senor Frog, you might be criticized for wearing it when you return from Cancun. Wearing lederhosen might be appropriating from the German culture, although unless you are tall and not husky, looking silly is punishment enough.
You may think this is all BS and you would not be alone. But it's important to at least understand there can be this kind of conflict on campus that didn't exist a generation ago.
You are right that this conflict didn't exist on campus a generation ago. But that has nothing to do with whether ir is legitimate or not.
This whole "cultural appropriation" thing is ridiculous. People that complain that a dining hall serves tacos or someone wears lederhosen or whatever should be ridiculed. The article paraphrases the MEChA rep syaing "continuous desensitization across college campus to different cultures". That's a good thing. People shouldn't be so goddamn sensitive about stupid things. This isn't a case of negative stereotyping. There are plenty of things in the world worth worrying about - we shouldn't be inventing new ones.
Just to go over the top here, complaining about cultural appropriation is un-American. Our whole culture is based on appropriating things from other cultures. The melting pot thing, you know?
The athletic department was criticized a few years back regarding a Cinco de Mayo event. I don't remember all the details but Jeff Hall took the blame instead of the Athletic Director who ultimately signs off on everything going on.
Found it
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/10/08/cornell-called-racist-apologizes-for-tacos-and-sombreros-pep-rally-theme-84880
ILDN had very good picture quality for today's field hockey game (1-0 loss to Penn at home).
It still amazes me that we have the ability to stream these events in realtime. It's like the Louis C.K. routine: "you're riding in a chair in the sky!"
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They genuinely did not look bad against Bucknell. We'll see whether they get their doors blown off by the Eli today. Sagarin has Cornell at 218 and Yale at 199, with Yale a 4.5 favorite at a neutral site, meaning this game at Schoellkopf is Yale -1.8
Well so far, to coin a phrase, holy fucking shit.
I don't mean to be the eternal optimist, but....Cornell 21-Yale 3, going into halftime?
GBR!! ::cheer::
Quote from: TrotskyWell so far, to coin a phrase, holy fucking shit.
Seriously. What is going on
Add three more
24-3 going into halftime.
I believe our current QB is not the prized recruit either.
And, here I am in the RV in the wilds of Pennsyleffingtucky, no wifi, one cell bar...and, I'm stuck with watching the stats roll by for the game of the century!? Better pop another brewski!!
That was even more fun than last week!
Quote from: Trotsky...holy fucking shit.
Umm...what he said.::wow::
First 2-0 start since 2009, coincidentally against same two opponents. That season ended 2-8.
I think this makes Cornell 3-1 in their last four games.
Ok,...lets not be a Debbie Downer here.
I mean we're looking at a hockey team expected to finish, what? 5th??
The lacrosse team? The basketball team?
Please, just let me enjoy the moment!?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: billhowardDon't see any obvious W's among the four Cornell games that are televised. Although Brown without Dylan Molloy's supporting cast may not be very - um, wrong sport. http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2016/8/11/football-to-play-four-nationally-televised-games-in-2016.aspx
Oct 8 At Harvard
Oct 22 At Brown
Oct 29 Princeton
Nov 19 Penn
FYP
more than happy to eat crow. wheeeeeeee
Quote from: nyc94First 2-0 start since 2009, coincidentally against same two opponents. That season ended 2-8.
LOL. Touché. ;)
But for one week, enjoy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/view/fcs).
Quote from: TrotskyBut for one week, enjoy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/view/fcs).
Gotta wonder if the guy running that page went to Yale and is trolling by not considering the game a conference win.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBut for one week, enjoy (http://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/view/fcs).
Gotta wonder if the guy running that page went to Yale and is trolling by not considering the game a conference win.
It's been amended now. :-)
My cousin's a freshman at Cornell and is sports-obsessed. I credit him for our football success.
Yes, I've told him to buy hockey tickets. Repeatedly.
http://www.ivyleague.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/Football_Weekly_Awards_-_Week_3
Quote from: IvyLeagye.comePRINCETON, N.J. -- Cornell and Dartmouth swept the Ivy League football weekly awards after signature wins over the weekend.
OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Cornell sophomore quarterback Dalton Banks (San Antonio) led the Big Red to a 27-13 win over Yale in the Ivy League opener for both teams, passing for 306 yards and two touchdowns with no turnovers. He completed 23-of-32 passes, including 15-of-16 in the first half for 235 yards and two touchdowns as the Big Red raced out to a 24-3 halftime advantage. Cornell is 2-0 to start the season for the first time since 2009.
Banks is the first Big Red to be named Offensive Player of the Week since Jeff Mathews on Nov. 25, 2013.
Banks' Statistics for the Week
23-32-0, 71.9 Completion %, 306 Yds., 2 TDs; 13 Rushes, 20 Yds.
...
SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Cornell sophomore placekicker Zach Mays (Las Vegas) continued his hot start to the season, hitting both of his field goals and all three of his extra point attempts in the Big Red's 27-13 win over Yale. His first field goal came as time expired in the first half and pushed Cornell's lead to 24-3. Mays recorded four touchbacks on five kickoffs, and the Big Red special teams was up to the task on the only kickoff Yale returned, stopping the runner at the 17-yard-line.
Mays takes home Special Teams Player of the Week for the second-straight week to become the first Big Red to earn two such awards in the same year since Brad Greenway in 2011.
Mays' Statistics for the Week
2-2 FG, 37 Lg., 3-3 XP, 9 Pts.; 5 KO, 4 TB
Honor Roll
Chris Fraser, Cornell (Sr., P – Bakersfield, Calif.)
7 Punts, 282 Yds., 40.3 Avg., 50 Lg., 4 in20, 3 FC, 2 TB
Jackson Weber, Cornell (Sr., LB – Whitefish Bay, Wis.)
9 Tckls., 2 Asst., 11 Total, 1 TFL, 4 Yds., 1 INT, 7 Yds., 1 BrUp
TWC will be showing the Colgate game this Sat. (at least in the Albany, Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo areas) They'll also show Army @ Colgate hockey that night. You'll get to see their new rink, while us Ivy Leaguers twiddle our thumbs.
Good luck to the Big Red. The game at Colgate may be Cornell's toughest game of the season other than Harvard. Colgate is #25 in the FCS polls. Harvard is #19, Dartmouth also receives votes. http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs
Quote from: billhowardGood luck to the Big Red. The game at Colgate may be Cornell's toughest game of the season other than Harvard. Colgate is #25 in the FCS polls. Harvard is #19, Dartmouth also receives votes. http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs
In the process of getting blown out at home against Penn last night, Dartmouth's QB had an all time sequence of int, int, safety on three straight plays. NBCSN broadcast was a tough listen.
Colgate 21-0 after 1 quarter. A little better in Q2: 21-2.
Meanwhile New York's College Team, or whatever Syracuse calls itself, and Notre Dame scored 60 points in the first half. Notre Dame built a 9-6 lead without a field goal or safety (instead, a blocked PAT return). ... and a school we played regularly a generation ago, Rutgers, is getting schooled by TOSU 51-0. If that makes us feel any better.
A little closer now.
38-33 Colgate, 3rd quarter
Colgate is a top 25 team, with a well-regarded defense, and it is there homecoming.
39-38 Cornell, Final
When was the last time Cornell started the season 3-0?
According to the Cornell web site, last 3-0 start was 2008.
The last time Cornell defeated a ranked school, on the road, was a bit further back....1950.
Quote from: margolismAccording to the Cornell web site, last 3-0 start was 2008.
The last time Cornell defeated a ranked school, on the road, was a bit further back....1950.
That 2008 team lost 6 of the final 7 games to finish 4-6 btw.
Cornell QB Dalton Banks is co-player of the week, again, along with the Harvard QB. Banks threw for 454 and 5 TDs; Harvard's Joe Viviano threw for 210 and 3 TDs. Cornell's Kurt Frimel was the defensive player of the week. Punter Chris Fraser was special teams player of the week. http://www.ivyleague.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/Football_Weekly_Awards_-_Week_4
Quote from: Ivy League releaseCO-OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Cornell sophomore quarterback Dalton Banks led the Big Red to a come-from-behind 39-38 win at No. 25 Colgate. Banks completed 25-of-45 passes for 454 yards and five touchdowns. Banks was at his best on the game's final drive after the Big Red got the ball back at its own 43, marching the visitors 57 yards in six plays and the game-winning TD. The 454 passing yards rank eighth in a single game in Cornell history, while his four touchdown passes were one off the top school mark.
Banks Statistics for the Week
25-of-45, 55.6 Completion %, 454 Yds., 4 TDs
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Cornell junior Kurt Frimel had two of the biggest defensive plays of the day in the Big Red's win at No. 25 Colgate as part of a 10-tackle day. Frimel's 4-yard sack in the second quarter got Cornell on the board with a safety. Then, trailing 38-33 with less than two minutes left, Frimel got into the backfield to stop a Colgate ball-carrier on fourth-and-4 to give Cornell a chance it would convert for the game-winning touchdown.
Frimel's Statistics for the Week
6 tckls., 4 asst., 10 total, 1 sack, 2 TFL
SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Chris Fraser's ability to flip the field was instrumental in Cornell's road win at No. 25 Colgate. He punted three times and pinned the Raiders inside their own 7 yard line all three times at the 2, 7 and 4 yard lines. Fraser, a preseason first-team All-American, averaged 36.0 yards and didn't allow a return yard while punting on short fields all day long.
Fraser's Statistics for the Week
3 punts, 108 yards
Quote from: billhowardCornell QB Dalton Banks is co-player of the week, again, along with the Harvard QB. Banks threw for 454 and 5 TDs; Harvard's Joe Viviano threw for 210 and 3 TDs. Cornell's Kurt Frimel was the defensive player of the week. Punter Chris Fraser was special teams player of the week. http://www.ivyleague.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/Football_Weekly_Awards_-_Week_4
Quote from: Ivy League releaseCO-OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Cornell sophomore quarterback Dalton Banks led the Big Red to a come-from-behind 39-38 win at No. 25 Colgate. Banks completed 25-of-45 passes for 454 yards and five touchdowns. Banks was at his best on the game's final drive after the Big Red got the ball back at its own 43, marching the visitors 57 yards in six plays and the game-winning TD. The 454 passing yards rank eighth in a single game in Cornell history, while his four touchdown passes were one off the top school mark.
Banks Statistics for the Week
25-of-45, 55.6 Completion %, 454 Yds., 4 TDs
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Cornell junior Kurt Frimel had two of the biggest defensive plays of the day in the Big Red's win at No. 25 Colgate as part of a 10-tackle day. Frimel's 4-yard sack in the second quarter got Cornell on the board with a safety. Then, trailing 38-33 with less than two minutes left, Frimel got into the backfield to stop a Colgate ball-carrier on fourth-and-4 to give Cornell a chance it would convert for the game-winning touchdown.
Frimel's Statistics for the Week
6 tckls., 4 asst., 10 total, 1 sack, 2 TFL
SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Chris Fraser's ability to flip the field was instrumental in Cornell's road win at No. 25 Colgate. He punted three times and pinned the Raiders inside their own 7 yard line all three times at the 2, 7 and 4 yard lines. Fraser, a preseason first-team All-American, averaged 36.0 yards and didn't allow a return yard while punting on short fields all day long.
Fraser's Statistics for the Week
3 punts, 108 yards
A dominant team in all three phases.
We gave up 38 points. Doesn't sound like we were all that dominant on defense. ::rolleyes::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82We gave up 38 points. Doesn't sound like we were all that dominant on defense. ::rolleyes::
Think of it as two different games. Lost the first 31-12; won the second 27-7. The defense was good in the "second" game.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82We gave up 38 points. Doesn't sound like we were all that dominant on defense. ::rolleyes::
Think of it as two different games. Lost the first 31-12; won the second 27-7. The defense was good in the "second" game.
I do think we're vulnerable to a power rushing team -- Our D-line still seems on the smallish size and can be pushed around. Our linebackers and D-backs have been solid tacklers, however.
If the wind picks up off the Charles it will turn the Stadium into a wind tunnel blowing from the closed toward the open end. Harvard is accustomed to dealing with this. Visiting teams are not. A big advantage. Want to run down the clock as much as you can going into the wind and do the opposite (e.g., no-huddle offense) with the wind behind, maximizing your number of plays with the wind.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioIf the wind picks up off the Charles it will turn the Stadium into a wind tunnel blowing from the closed toward the open end. Harvard is accustomed to dealing with this. Visiting teams are not. A big advantage. Want to run down the clock as much as you can going into the wind and do the opposite (e.g., no-huddle offense) with the wind behind, maximizing your number of plays with the wind.
Harvard's OL and DL are going to prove too strong for Cornell. Harvard wins this be 24 points.
Dalton Banks picked off on first play of game (receiver Shaw bobbles ball), Harvard returns to Cornell 6 and scores 2 plays later. Harvard 7-0. Could be a long afternoon? Maybe not: With 4 minutes to play in the first, Banks lofts a 41-yard pass to Rogers, who settles in under the ball in the end zone. Shades of Jeff Matthews. 7-7.
Halftime, Harvard 14-7. We're not winning but we're not en route to repeating last year's 40-3 pounding.
Third quarter, a long Harvard march (helped by a 15-yard targeting penalty / ejection against Cornell) puts Harvard up 20-7 (PAT block, almost run back for 2 points). Cornell quickly gets in Harvard territory then Banks is picked off in the end zone. Harvard next possession settles for a field goal. H23-7 about 3 minutes to play third. That keeps it a two-score game, the announcers note. Quarter ends Harvard 23-7
Harvard opens breathing room with a TD midway through the fourth; failed 2-point conversion. Harvard 29-7. Banks' arm gets Cornell another TD, 4 minutes to play. PAT kick hits the upright. Harvard 29-13. Failed onside kick gives Harvard the ball on its 40 with 4:10 left. Cornell gets the ball back with about :16 left and that's the game.
3 Cornell turnovers hurt especially the pick on the first play. Cornell looked decent. Harvard looked like Harvard.
Cornell's Dalton Banks was 19x39 passing, 2 TD, 3 Int. Attendance reported as 11,509. Box score: http://www.cornellbigred.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=20111
It could have been a lot worse: Michigan 78, Rutgers 0.
Harvard up 14-7 at the half.
Seems like Cornell is beating Cornell in this game. And the refs suck. Still a close game.
Missed a TD return by a shoelace. 7-20 but driving in the third.
Harvard starting to show its class. 23-7 in the 4th. They play gorgeous football. It's encouraging that we're staying with them as much as we are.
9 Harvard grads on NFL rosters. That's pretty damn impressive.
We're certainly competitive today, just making too many mistakes. But a far cry from the way Harvard manhandled us last year.
Things are going in the right direction it seems, finally.
Playing Harvard this close (despite the final score) is a huge step in the right direction.
Was the freshman Nick Null kicking did Zach Mays get hurt?
I heard Mays got hurt during the week - to what extent I don't know
Quote from: scoop85I heard Mays got hurt during the week - to what extent I don't know
Must have been serious, he's not listed in the Sacred Heart game notes depth chart. This could be a big factor if we are talking missed extra points and field goals.
Quote from: scoop85I heard Mays got hurt during the week - to what extent I don't know
The word on the Ivy League Sports Board is he left the team and the school for personal reasons.
Cornell WR coach Bobby Acosta has resigned for personal family reasons.
Quote from: Ken711Cornell WR coach Bobby Acosta has resigned for personal family reasons.
That's too bad -- he seemed like a high energy positive guy
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: Ken711Cornell WR coach Bobby Acosta has resigned for personal family reasons.
That's too bad -- he seemed like a high energy positive guy
I hope the wheels aren't falling off Cornell's season with bad luck. First their kicker quits the team, then key injuries at their skill positions and now this mid-season coaching resignation. They need a win at Brown in the worst way. Unfortunately they have lost 8 straight games playing at Brown.
what the hell, ticketmaster
FoxSportsGo? Here I was looking "forward" to watching some Cornell football and it's on some obscure BS channel instead of the ILDN.
Sucks!!!
Are we paying Fox or are they paying us? If it's the former, there's no justification for it that makes any sense.
If you have DirecTV it's on 608.
Quote from: TimVIf you have DirecTV it's on 608.
If I had access to the channel, I wouldn't be complaining.
In general, I have only fuming ire for the cable/satellite TV business model that holds us all hostage today.
In other news, I found myself a less-than-ideal pirate stream. Boy, it's Saturday afternoon and Brown can't score, no matter how often we hand the ball over to them.
Quote from: Scersk '97Boy, it's Saturday afternoon and Brown can't score, no matter how often we hand the ball over to them.
Seems like Brown fixed that problem.
I noticed the Brown QB never actually puts his mouthguard in his mouth. I thought that was a requirement, but the rulebook only says the mouthguard is "required equipment." So I guess it's OK even if it's only tucked between the facemask And helmet.::wtf::
Cornell losing streak at Brown continues...soon to be 9 straight losses. Cornell may end up 3-7.
Punt coverage sucks and now the OL is wheezing and Banks has nowhere to go.
Quote from: ugartePunt coverage sucks and now the OL is wheezing and Banks has nowhere to go.
14-14 after Cornell recovers a fumble and runs it back to the 8 yard line. Probably should have been whistled dead at the spot of recovery but ... it was not. In the NFL that would have been a legit return. A few plays later, Banks tosses a TD pass to tie it.
Cornell promptly commits 2 personal fouls on the kickoff.
100 yards in penalties not helping.
Tough loss. Throwing under coverage on 4th and 10 and only getting 7. Yuck.
good lord the playcalling in ot was shit. too many shots at the end zone; nothing over the middle. really no attempts to let a receiver get free except by running straight ahead. the ot touchdown was pretty but it was insane that it worked - banks was just not very accurate. the last play of the game was an example - deitz had room to run but the throw was shit and he had to reach for it and fell down.
also, the tackling was awful.
Quote from: ugartegood lord the playcalling in ot was shit. too many shots at the end zone; nothing over the middle. really no attempts to let a receiver get free except by running straight ahead. the ot touchdown was pretty but it was insane that it worked - banks was just not very accurate. the last play of the game was an example - deitz had room to run but the throw was shit and he had to reach for it and fell down.
also, the tackling was awful.
Yeah, I was scratching my head at all the shots to the end zone in OT. In general it seems that incremental movement is what works in those situations, but we seemed to get impatient. The 4th down play is what we should have been doing on 1st and 2nd down.
Cornell is now 8-28 in the 4th year under David Archer
Quote from: CASCornell is now 8-29 in the 4th year under David Archer
Even if Cornell ends up 3-7 (a possibility), Archer's job was saved by the 3-0 start.
Quote from: CASCornell is now 8-29 in the 4th year under David Archer
I don't know how they'll end up, but they are surely much improved this year. Of course the bar was pretty low, but there's no denying the increased competitiveness
It was inexcusable to have a delay of game penalty after a timeout for goodness sake. How can that happen??? They could have nailed the win down at that point. I don't think a 3-0 start should save his job. He can not play call period.
Losing Zach Mayes has truly hurt special teams. It is noted that long kickoff returns have occurred especially in the last two games since Mayes left school. Nick Nulle's foot not quite as strong.
Would like to see a better mix of pass and run on offense.
Quote from: shasta1It was inexcusable to have a delay of game penalty after a timeout for goodness sake. How can that happen??? They could have nailed the win down at that point. I don't think a 3-0 start should save his job. He can not play call period.
Not quite sure which delay of game you mean. There was one that apparently was taken deliberately: to maximize the opportunity for Brown to jump offside and, if this failed, to give the kicker more room to pin Brown deep in its own end.
Was there another?
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: CASCornell is now 8-29 in the 4th year under David Archer
I don't know how they'll end up, but they are surely much improved this year. Of course the bar was pretty low, but there's no denying the increased competitiveness
Exactly. It didn't take long for the knives to come out after this overtime loss. Princeton (at Cornell) this Saturday will be tough. Princeton is improved after a 2-5 Ivy, 5-5 overall season last year. Last week Princeton took Harvard to OT before losing.
I was following game on internet so I may have missed game strategy. I was referencing the one at the end of fourth quarter.
Not the best performance today during Trustees/Council weekend
56-7. lol
Quote from: CASNot the best performance today during Trustees/Council weekend
Ouch!
Archer needs to go. This team is going to end up 3-7 as I suspected.
That was a dismal performance on both ends of the football and sideline.
Quote from: Ken711Archer needs to go. This team is going to end up 3-7 as I suspected.
Unlikely to happen. At a breakfast for alumni Friday morning (the sports-minded of the people attending the trustee / council weekend), Andy Noel went out of his way to praise Archer. The team will succeed when it is led by juniors and seniors. The sophomore class is good, Noel said, and next year they'll be, ah, juniors. In other words, hang in there, Cornell fans. He also talked about Jeff Matthews being asked about bringing in a highly successful D2 coach vs. hiring Archer, and Matthews said that Archer, hands-down, was the way the team wanted to go.
The other person who got singled out for praise - a lot - was basketball coach Brian Earl, ex of Princeton. I tailgated with some Princeton alums (who had a liquor distributor among their numbers, so it was a good tailgate) and several with connections deep inside Princeton athletics said Earl is a coach to watch, and to expect good things from him.
We know ADs and coaches paint rosy pictures for alumni. But Noel didn't need to go so far if they planned to toss Archer from the train.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Archer needs to go. This team is going to end up 3-7 as I suspected.
Unlikely to happen. At a breakfast for alumni Friday morning (the sports-minded of the people attending the trustee / council weekend), Andy Noel went out of his way to praise Archer.
The dreaded vote of confidence (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/backofthenet/images/4/46/The_grim_reaper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081210095752).
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Ken711Archer needs to go. This team is going to end up 3-7 as I suspected.
Unlikely to happen. At a breakfast for alumni Friday morning (the sports-minded of the people attending the trustee / council weekend), Andy Noel went out of his way to praise Archer. The team will succeed when it is led by juniors and seniors. The sophomore class is good, Noel said, and next year they'll be, ah, juniors. In other words, hang in there, Cornell fans. He also talked about Jeff Matthews being asked about bringing in a highly successful D2 coach vs. hiring Archer, and Matthews said that Archer, hands-down, was the way the team wanted to go.
The other person who got singled out for praise - a lot - was basketball coach Brian Earl, ex of Princeton. I tailgated with some Princeton alums (who had a liquor distributor among their numbers, so it was a good tailgate) and several with connections deep inside Princeton athletics said Earl is a coach to watch, and to expect good things from him.
We know ADs and coaches paint rosy pictures for alumni. But Noel didn't need to go so far if they planned to toss Archer from the train.
Thanks Bill. If Cornell ends the season with 7 straight losses that picture will be far from rosy.
5 straight losses with a good chance to be 7 straight and another 1-6 Ivy League finish.
In case you missed this from Yale's 21-14 win at Harvard that kept the Cantabs from a fourth straight Ivy title (Princeton and Penn share, each ending 6-1):
Quote from: Boston HeraldIt remained a tie game entering the final quarter, with Harvard driving near midfield as fans in the Yale student section stripped down and mooned the Crimson partisans. http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_football/2016/11/yale_puts_end_to_harvard_s_hopes_of_fourth_straight_ivy
2-5 in the Ivies this year. In David Archer's 4 years as head coach, Cornell's Ivy record is 6-22, with a total of 2 wins (& 22 loses) vs Ivies other than Columbia.
Maybe Charlie Strong would be interested in resurrecting Big Red football. He will still be paid by Texas, so $ shouldn't be an issue. Would have excellent job security at Cornell.
Does he get paid if he accepts another job? Or maybe he still gets the difference in contracts?
If he accepts another job, that salary will offset part of what Texas is paying him. So Cornell could pay him $1. Maybe Les Miles might also be interested...
Quote from: CASIf he accepts another job, that salary will offset part of what Texas is paying him. So Cornell could pay him $1. Maybe Les Miles might also be interested...
Doesn't matter Archer is getting the last year of contract next season. Andy should draw a line in wins though, improve on 4 wins or you're out.
http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/Football_All-Ivy-_Rookie_of_the_Year-_Coach_of_the_Year_Announced "Cornell also placed three on the first team, including junior safety Nick Gesualdi (Sykesville, Md.), a unanimous selection. Sophomore running back Chris Walker (Lewisburg, Tenn.) and senior punter Chris Fraser (Potomac, Md.) also earned first team nods. Fraser, the 2013 Rookie of the Year, takes home his fourth first-team All-Ivy nod, the first Big Red to accomplish the feat and just the third player total in Ivy football history, joining a pair of Crimson in linebacker Dante Balestracci (2000-03) and running back Clifton Dawson (2003-06)."
Unanimous coach of the year, Princeton's Bob Surace. Princeton and Cornell were in the same place (near the bottom). Surace was hired for the 2010 season and promptly went 1-9 and 0-7 in the Ivies then tied for the title in 2013, slipped to 4th then 6th, then came back to tie for 1st this year. 7 year totals 33-37. Similarly, this is Cornell's best overall record and Ivy finish this year, although that is a tie for 6th. Here's hoping to a better 2017.
Cornell sophomore QB Dalton Banks was honorable mention. That's a good start to build next year's offense around. Archer says the team is sophomore-heavy.
The release:
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Hunter Hagdorn, Dartmouth (Fr., WR/RS – Manvel, Texas)
COACH OF THE YEAR
*Bob Surace, Princeton
FIRST-TEAM ALL-IVY
Offense
Larry Allen, Jr., Harvard (Jr., OL – Danville, Calif.)
*Nick Demes, Penn (Sr., OL – Western Springs, Ill.)
Dave Morrison, Dartmouth (Sr., OL – Latham, N.Y.)
Max Rich, Harvard (Sr., OL – Portland, Ore.)
Mitchell Sweigart, Princeton (Jr., OL – Washington Boro, Pa.)
*Alek Torgersen, Penn (Sr., QB – Huntington Beach, Calif.)
*John Lovett, Princeton (Jr., RB – Wantagh, N.Y.)
*Tre Solomon, Penn (Jr., RB – Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Chris Walker, Cornell (So., RB – Lewisburg, Tenn.)
Alexander Jette, Brown (Sr., WR/RS – North Attleboro, Mass.)
*Justice Shelton-Mosley, Harvard (So., WR – Sacramento, Calif.)
*Justin Watson, Penn (Jr., WR – Bridgeville, Pa.)
Anthony Firkser, Harvard (Sr., TE/HB – Manalapan, N.J.)
Defense
*James Duberg, Harvard (Sr., DT – Chula Vista, Calif.)
Kurt Holuba, Princeton (Jr., DL – Ho-Ho-Kus, N.J.)
Richard Jarvis, Brown (Sr., DE – Watertown, Mass.)
Louis Vecchio, Penn (Jr., DE – Orange, Calif.)
Luke Catarius, Princeton (Sr., LB – Sandwich, Mass.)
Folarin Orimolade, Dartmouth (Sr., LB – Burtonsville, Md.)
Gianmarco Rea, Columbia (Sr., LB – Birmingham, Mich.)
William Twyman, Brown (Sr., ILB – Sudbury, Mass.)
James Gales, Princeton (Sr., DB – New York)
*Nick Gesualdi, Cornell (Jr., S – Sykesville, Md.)
Mason Williams, Penn (So., DB – Pasadena, Calif.)
Dorian Williams, Princeton (Sr., DB – Streetsboro, Ohio)
Special Teams
*Oren Milstein, Columbia (Fr., PK – Boca Raton, Fla.)
Chris Fraser, Cornell (Sr., P – Potomac, Md.)
Alexander Jette, Brown (Sr., WR/RS – North Attleboro, Mass.)
SECOND-TEAM ALL-IVY^
Offense
Dakota Girard, Brown (Sr., OL – Wellfleet, Mass.)
Matthew Girard, Brown (Sr., OL – Holyoke, Mass.)
Kendall Pace, Columbia (Sr., OL – Suitland, Md.)
Daniel Poulus, Penn (Sr., OL – Park Ridge, Ill.)
Eric Ramirez, Princeton (Jr., OL – York, Pa.)
Chad Kanoff, Princeton (Sr., QB – Pacific Palisades, Calif.)
Alan Lamar, Yale (Fr., RB – Olive Branch, Miss.)
Joe Rhattigan, Princeton (Sr., RB – Naperville, Ill.)
Alan Watson, Columbia (Sr., RB – New Albany, Ohio)
Hunter Hagdorn, Dartmouth (Fr., WR/RS – Manvel, Texas)
Christian Pearson, Penn (So., WR – Northridge, Calif.)
Scott Carpenter, Princeton (Sr., TE – Vienna, Va.)
Matt Sullivan, Cornell (Sr., TE – Pittsford, N.Y.)
Defense
D.J. Bailey, Harvard (So., DE – San Juan Capistrano, Calif.)
Lord Hyeamang, Columbia (Jr., DL – Lakeville, Minn.)
Henry Schlossberg, Princeton (Sr., DL – Los Angeles)
Nick Tomkins, Dartmouth (Jr., DL – Matawan, N.J.)
Luke Hutton, Harvard (Jr., LB – Austin, Texas)
Rohan Hylton, Princeton (Sr., LB – Orlando, Fla.)
Nick Miller, Penn (So., LB – New Market, Md.)
Colton Moskal, Penn (Jr., LB – Lake Zurich, Ill.)
Brock Kenyon, Columbia (Sr., DB – Austin, Texas)
Raishaun McGhee, Harvard (Sr., CB – Windsor, Conn.)
Charlie Miller, Dartmouth (Sr., DB – Shoreview, Minn.)
Sam Philippi, Penn (So., DB – Coto De Caza, Calif.)
Cameron Roane, Columbia (Jr., DB – Durham, N.C.)
Special Teams
Jake McIntyre, Harvard (Fr., PK – Orlando, Fla.)
Cameron Nizialek, Columbia (Sr., P/PK – Chantilly, Va.)
Jason Alessi, Yale (Jr., RS/DB – Bloomfield Hills, Mich.)
HONORABLE MENTION
Offense
John Foster, Cornell (Sr., OL – Scituate, Mass.)
Mason Friedline, Yale (Sr., OL – Seattle)
Matt Kaskey, Dartmouth (So., OL – Winnetka, Ill.)
Nathan Kirchmier, Penn (Jr., OL – Pembroke Pines, Fla.)
Karl Marback, Yale (Jr., OL – Birmingham, Mich.)
Reily Radosevich, Princeton (Fr., OL – Manalapan, N.J.)
Dalton Banks, Cornell (So., QB – San Antonio)
Miles Smith, Dartmouth (So., RB – Alpharetta, Ga.)
Isaiah Barnes, Princeton (Sr., WR – Freeport, N.Y.)
Jesper Horsted, Princeton (So., WR – Shoreview, Minn.)
Ben Rogers, Cornell (Sr., WR – Geneva, Ill.)
Adam Scott, Harvard (So., WR – Denton, Texas)
Defense
Brandon Cooper, Dartmouth (Sr., DE – Grand Prairie, Texas)
Zach Husain, Dartmouth (Sr., DL – Evanston, Ill.)
Marty Moesta, Yale (Sr., DE – Grosse Pointe, Mich.)
Kyle Mullen, Yale (So., DE – Manalapan, N.J.)
Birk Olson, Princeton (Sr., LB – Monticello, Minn.)
Langston Ward, Harvard (Sr., DE – Spokane, Wash.)
Connor Jangro, Penn (Fr., LB – Jessup, Md.)
Darius Manora, Yale (Sr., LB – Alexandria, Va.)
Eric Meile, Dartmouth (Jr., LB – Ramsey, N.J.)
Matt Oplinger, Yale (Jr., OLB – Summitt, N.J.)
Jackson Weber, Cornell (Sr., OLB – Whitefish Bay, Wis.)
Max Tylki, Brown (Sr., ILB – Wethersfield, Conn.)
Sean Ahern, Harvard (Sr., CB – Cincinnati)
Lucas Bavaro, Dartmouth (Sr., DB – Boxford, Mass.)
Dale Harris, Yale (Sr., DB/RB – Brooklandville, Md.)
Tanner Lee, Harvard (Jr., S – Spanish Fort, Ala.)
Special Teams
Hunter Kelly, Penn (Jr., P – Huntington Beach, Calif.)
Tyler Roth, Princeton (Sr., P – Pittsburgh)
Trevor Osborne, Princeton (Sr., WR – Peoria, Ariz.)
*-Unanimous selection
Quote from: Cornell: Sources tell FootballScoop offensive line coach Roy Istvan has resigned. Cornell now has the offensive line and the receivers position open.
Istvan was also the offensive coordinator.
How bout hiring Brian Kelly or Jim Tressel to turn around Big Red football? Maybe John Harbaugh would prefer a return to college?
Quote from: CASHow bout hiring Brian Kelly or Jim Tressel to turn around Big Red football? Maybe John Harbaugh would prefer a return to college?
With what support are you expecting they would receive from the administration....zero. I will stand by my statement that Dave Archer and his staff need to improve on 4 wins in the last year of his contract or there will be a search for a new coach.
YESSSSSSS
Cornell (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400871305) > Columbia (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400871296) > Brown (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400871267) > Bryant (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400872819) > Sacred Heart (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400872747) > Stony Brook (http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400869731) > North Dakota (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400869744) > South Dakota (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400871345) > Illinois State (http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400869655) > Northwestern (http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400876097) > Pitt (http://www.espn.com/ncf/recap/_/id/400869485) > Clemson (http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400876570)
WE ARE THE TRANSITIVE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Finally we are the champions! Hopefully being nat'l champs will enable us to have stands on both sides of Schoelkopf.
To my surprise, I could have done this last year.
Hey, can we do this with other teams too? Basketball is an obvious choice, but we have so many non-NC teams, the entire athletics program should be subjected to champion-by-transitivity criteria.
Quote from: SwampyHey, can we do this with other teams too? Basketball is an obvious choice, but we have so many non-NC teams, the entire athletics program should be subjected to champion-by-transitivity criteria.
Basketball was very simple.
Cornell > Northwestern > Michigan State > Saint Johns > Butler > Villanova
Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Hockey and basketball are always easy because even the best teams typically have a few losses and even the one-loss teams usually lost to a team with enough losses to give everyone a simple path. Football is fun because one big upset (Pitt over Clemson) can open up most of D-I and division jumping wins (Illinois State over Northwestern) open up the rest of football, because then the other division jumping applies to even NY Maritime:
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Didn't Cornell beat PC too?
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Didn't Cornell beat PC too?
Not this year.
FTR, Miami just made this easier: Cornell > Miami > UND
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Didn't Cornell beat PC too?
Not this year.
FTR, Miami just made this easier: Cornell > Miami > UND
You can't use this year's games to beat last year's National Champ.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Didn't Cornell beat PC too?
Not this year.
FTR, Miami just made this easier: Cornell > Miami > UND
You can't use this year's games to beat last year's National Champ.
Sorry, guess I wasn't sure of the rules of this game.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Didn't Cornell beat PC too?
Not this year.
FTR, Miami just made this easier: Cornell > Miami > UND
You can't use this year's games to beat last year's National Champ.
Sorry, guess I wasn't sure of the rules of this game.
Yeah, sorry for not explaining. The transitive national championship looks back after the championship game and finds an A > B > C way to "claim" that your team was
really the champ.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Hockey:
Cornell > Merrimack > Providence > Denver > N. Dakota
Didn't Cornell beat PC too?
Not this year.
FTR, Miami just made this easier: Cornell > Miami > UND
You can't use this year's games to beat last year's National Champ.
Then we want to beat who? What? Third base.
I miss the other game where the previous year's Champ had 'The Belt', and it would transfer when they were beaten. Is that still being done somewhere for NCAA Hockey?
I think that's still a thread on USCHO.
I think Ursaminor is in charge of the belt.
Travis Burkett has left the staff for UNLV to serve as their rb coach. That means only two assistant coaches remain that came in when David Archer when he was named head coach. That's a lot of turnover.
Is there an offensive coordinator on the staff? Last year's OC is gone, & the football website doesn't list one.
Quote from: CASIs there an offensive coordinator on the staff? Last year's OC is gone, & the football website doesn't list one.
Quote from: CASIs there an offensive coordinator on the staff? Last year's OC is gone, & the football website doesn't list one.
Yes there is. Joe Villapiano who was an assistant on the Harvard staff for the last 10 years.
Former Cornell RB/WR player Chad Nice is now an assistant coach on the Cornell football staff. I'm assuming to coach either RBs or WRs.
Anyone know if they have a new defense back coach?
Have to wonder why the Cornell football website hasn't been updated to reflect the new coaching hires. Spring practice has begun.
Quote from: CASHave to wonder why the Cornell football website hasn't been updated to reflect the new coaching hires. Spring practice has begun.
The new offense hires are known Villapiano and Nice), but I have no clue on the new DB coach to replace Travis Burkett. I agree, the football website and their Inside Cornell Football website, are both way behind on recent information.
Cornell officially announced their new OC and RB coaches that posted about previously. Interesting that now Cornell is down to 7 assistant coaches, where as other Ivy staffs have 9, unless they plan to fill the DB coaching assistant position later.
http://www.cornellbigred.com/index.aspx?path=football&
Cornell recently posted its 2017-8 operating & capital budget plan on the Cornell web site. It lists expected capital projects for the next 10 years. There is no mention of any plan for either a covered practice field or a Schoellkopf west stands replacement. Does anyone know the status of either?
Quote from: CASCornell recently posted its 2017-8 operating & capital budget plan on the Cornell web site. It lists expected capital projects for the next 10 years. There is no mention of any plan for either a covered practice field or a Schoellkopf west stands replacement. Does anyone know the status of either?
Send an email to Ryan Lomabardi VP for Student and Campus Life on the indoor practice facility to get an update.
ryan.lombardi@cornell.edu
From what I understand the Indoor Practice Facility was a priority under the late President Garrett. Her untimely death and Rawlings being a temporary President kind of put the brakes on the project. Hopefully now that a new President is in place it is an opportunity to resuscitate the project