Sadness.
http://cornellsun.com/2015/12/31/dunbars-closes-doors-after-36-years-in-collegetown/
Not gonna miss the bathrooms though.....
I had no idea Dunbar's had only been open for 2 years when I first stumbled in there in 1981. I assumed it had been there since the 60s.
It is comforting, however, to know it looked like a shithole right from the beginning.
Farewell, youth.
And there goes the one of the last reasons to go to Collegetown. How long does Rulloff's have left?
Quote from: TrotskyI had no idea Dunbar's had only been open for 2 years when I first stumbled in there in 1981. I assumed it had been there since the 60s.
It is comforting, however, to know it looked like a shithole right from the beginning.
Farewell, youth.
I too arrived in 1981, and likewise had assumed Dunbars had been around for years. It may have always looked like a shithole, but it was our shithole.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: TrotskyI had no idea Dunbar's had only been open for 2 years when I first stumbled in there in 1981. I assumed it had been there since the 60s.
It is comforting, however, to know it looked like a shithole right from the beginning.
Farewell, youth.
I too arrived in 1981, and likewise had assumed Dunbars had been around for years. It may have always looked like a shithole, but it was our shithole.
Hopefully the very last song on the very last night was "American Pie," split awkwardly across two recordings.
The bar was on the site for a while before Pep bought it and renamed it Dunbar's. When I arrived on campus it was called The Gin Mill. Before that it was called Maury's.
Pep and Lee bought it in '79 and changed the name to Dunbar's in 1980. It was named after Pep's dog. That's the date the article refers to.
It breaks my heart. I loved that place.
Rulloffs closed in late 2014, and then reopened in 2015.
http://dining.14850.com/reviews/1503-rulloffs
Quote from: Ben Rocky '04Rulloffs closed in late 2014, and then reopened in 2015.
http://dining.14850.com/reviews/1503-rulloffs
Food writers should be stabbed in the face.
Were there any significant changes to Rulloff's structurally?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ben Rocky '04Rulloffs closed in late 2014, and then reopened in 2015.
http://dining.14850.com/reviews/1503-rulloffs
Food writers should be stabbed in the face.
Were there any significant changes to Rulloff's structurally?
Please check the byline on that article and report back, Greg.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Ben Rocky '04Rulloffs closed in late 2014, and then reopened in 2015.
http://dining.14850.com/reviews/1503-rulloffs
Food writers should be stabbed in the face.
Were there any significant changes to Rulloff's structurally?
Please check the byline on that article and report back, Greg.
Well, food writers except for Mark should be stabbed in the face...
RIP Dunbars. I knew ye well.
Quote from: TrotskyWere there any significant changes to Rulloff's structurally?
I stopped in shortly after the re-open last winter, and while I didn't go to the downstairs seating area, it sure looked the same to me. A little cleaned up and polished, too.
I posted a list in another thread, and present it, updated as best as I know:
Current Collegetown spots with a bar:
Collegetown Bagels
Resurrected Rulloff's
The Nines
Level B
Jack's Grill
Loco Cantina
RIP:
Palms
Dino's
Johnny's
Johnny O's
The Chariot
The Connection/Bear Den (College Ave)
Little Joe's
Pixel
Stella's
Chapter House*
Dunbar's
*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
Worst shot of my life was at The Connection. Best popcorn I've ever had was there, too.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
What was the name of that shot? Salsa by any chance?
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
What was the name of that shot? Salsa by any chance?
I'll give you an acronym: FLDA. The D was Worcestershire sauce, I believe. Casting about the internets for a recipe, I'm pretty sure the ringleader of this foolish shot drinking business just added that in for good measure.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
Worst shot of my life was at The Connection. Best popcorn I've ever had was there, too.
Ah, The Connection! Which was open, strangely,
once my senior year, that I'm aware of. Seeing those lights on was like sighting the Flying Dutchman.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
What was the name of that shot? Salsa by any chance?
I'll give you an acronym: FLDA. The D was Worcestershire sauce, I believe. Casting about the internets for a recipe, I'm pretty sure the ringleader of this foolish shot drinking business just added that in for good measure.
The bartender sent me across the street to the Universal Deli to buy Worcestershire sauce specifically for this terrible idea.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
What was the name of that shot? Salsa by any chance?
I'll give you an acronym: FLDA. The D was Worcestershire sauce, I believe. Casting about the internets for a recipe, I'm pretty sure the ringleader of this foolish shot drinking business just added that in for good measure.
The bartender sent me across the street to the Universal Deli to buy Worcestershire sauce specifically for this terrible idea.
Not the shot that I got accustomed too. The shot I'm thinking of is bacardi 151, tequila and tobacco sauce. Just thinking about the taste (and smell) turns my stomach to this day.
Quote from: toddloseQuote from: RichHQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: toddloseQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichH*Shall Rise Again from the ashes.
Some part of me hopes that the closing of Dunbar's will speed this process along a bit.
(Never much of a Dunbar's guy, but I did have the worst shot of my life there... so that's something.)
What was the name of that shot? Salsa by any chance?
I'll give you an acronym: FLDA. The D was Worcestershire sauce, I believe. Casting about the internets for a recipe, I'm pretty sure the ringleader of this foolish shot drinking business just added that in for good measure.
The bartender sent me across the street to the Universal Deli to buy Worcestershire sauce specifically for this terrible idea.
Not the shot that I got accustomed too. The shot I'm thinking of is bacardi 151, tequila and tobacco sauce. Just thinking about the taste (and smell) turns my stomach to this day.
Tobacco sauce? That really sounds awful!
Guess I should have checked my reply before posting. Haha. For the record, it was tobasco sauce. It was bad.
I stopped in at Dunbar's after lunch in C-town this afternoon. Lee was there doing a little bit of shutdown work,
There's not a lot left. A few ceiling tiles, the bar and the booths along the north wall, and a couple of cheap beer signs nailed to the walls. He mentioned they have a couple of signed hockey sweaters (one from Mike Richter) that they're willing to sell, but pretty much everything worth having is gone.
Lee told me that it came down to a landlord who made things difficult for them (he actually had some choice words to describe her). It just became too stressful for Pep to keep the place open. It started affecting his health (he's in Florida R&R-ing for the next couple months). And given what they're building in place of the Palms - another 6 story apartment block - it wouldn't surprise me if the whole goal was to shut them down so she could build something big and gaudy in it's place.
Damn shame. :`-(
Too many prairie fires at Dunbar's.....tequila and Tabasco sauce. The boys used to buy them for me and dare me to drink them. I usually did. I think my stomach still has a lining but I'm not sure.
Cornell Sun (http://cornellsun.com/2016/08/06/new-bar-hideaway-to-replace-dunbars-in-collegetown/) reports that a new bar, Hideaway, will open in Dunbar's old location "before the fall semester." They're writing the name using Greek letters that look like Roman letters, starting with a capital eta for the "H". I remember the location as home of Morrie's (http://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/cornell?a=d&d=CDS19701016.2.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN------).
Quote from: David HardingCornell Sun (http://cornellsun.com/2016/08/06/new-bar-hideaway-to-replace-dunbars-in-collegetown/) reports that a new bar, Hideaway, will open in Dunbar's old location "before the fall semester." They're writing the name using Greek letters that look like Roman letters, starting with a capital eta for the "H". I remember the location as home of Morrie's (http://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/cornell?a=d&d=CDS19701016.2.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN------).
Regarding that old Sun article, that's quite the waggish caption to a photo with violent undertones.
Quote from: David HardingCornell Sun (http://cornellsun.com/2016/08/06/new-bar-hideaway-to-replace-dunbars-in-collegetown/) reports that a new bar, Hideaway, will open in Dunbar's old location "before the fall semester." They're writing the name using Greek letters that look like Roman letters, starting with a capital eta for the "H". I remember the location as home of Morrie's (http://cdsun.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/cornell?a=d&d=CDS19701016.2.4&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN------).
When I arrived on Campus (1978) it had already changed to The Gin Mill. Pep and Lee bought it in late '79 or early '80 and changed the name to Dunbar's in the fall of '80.
It's not Collegetown and it's not closing, but Rogo is up for sale in an attempt to attract a new chef by offering part ownership. http://ithacavoice.com/2016/10/rongo-explores-new-options/
Not in Collegetown and not a bar, but this is a reasonable place to mention Hal's Deli closing (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/03/hals-deli-closing-thing-thing-going-miss-customers/).
Quote from: David HardingNot in Collegetown and not a bar, but this is a reasonable place to mention Hal's Deli closing (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/03/hals-deli-closing-thing-thing-going-miss-customers/).
I certainly remember Hal's Deli and of course Hal, who was a fixture at Cornell basketball games in Barton Hall. His son, Mike who's pictured, was a ballboy for Sam MacNeil's team.
Quote from: George64Quote from: David HardingNot in Collegetown and not a bar, but this is a reasonable place to mention Hal's Deli closing (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/03/hals-deli-closing-thing-thing-going-miss-customers/).
I certainly remember Hal's Deli and of course Hal, who was a fixture at Cornell basketball games in Barton Hall. His son, Mike who's pictured, was a ballboy for Sam MacNeil's team.
My friends and I agreed Hal's had the fastest delivery. They once got us our food in 7 minutes, and we lived a couple miles away.
Which bars still exist in collegetown?
Quote from: CU2007Which bars still exist in collegetown?
From this very thread, which to the best of my knowledge is accurate. (Added Dunbar's replacement, Hideaway):
Current Collegetown spots with a bar:Collegetown Bagels
Resurrected Rulloff's
The Nines
Level B
Jack's Grill
Loco Cantina
Hideaway
RIP:Palms
Dino's
Johnny's
Johnny O's
The Chariot
The Connection/Bear Den (College Ave)
Little Joe's
Pixel
Stella's
Chapter House*
Dunbar's
Well clearly kids have stopped drinking...
Quote from: David HardingNot in Collegetown and not a bar, but this is a reasonable place to mention Hal's Deli closing (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/03/hals-deli-closing-thing-thing-going-miss-customers/).
Sad to see Hal's close. But ... Our fraternity at reunion three years ago (or was it eight?) went there Sunday morning for brunch. The place was a little dimmer and grayer than we remembered from undergrad years. One spouse used the ladies room and said that'd be the last time she did that. Once, Hal's was about the only place to get a good bagel. Hal's did not adapt to the rising competition or quickly branch to meet customer interests such as coffees beyond regular and decaf. Recalls the line from Inherit the Wind: Sometimes you can change by standing still. I feel disloyal saying that. If you haven't gone back, just hang on to your memories from the 80s.
Quote from: TrotskyWell clearly kids have stopped drinking...
Nah. Just no difference between drinking at home vs. a bar when you're just staring into your phone either way.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: TrotskyWell clearly kids have stopped drinking...
Nah. Just no difference between drinking at home vs. a bar when you're just staring into your phone either way.
Maybe the phone in public is a way to look busy not alone, the way you could fiddle with a cigarette a generation ago.
Image credit to Corey Ryan Earle '07
Quote from: George64Image credit to Corey Ryan Earle '07
I was going to say "What, the Chariot doesn't make the list?" but I then I remembered it's been closed for over a decade. ::uhoh::
Quote from: jtwcornell91Quote from: George64Image credit to Corey Ryan Earle '07
I was going to say "What, the Chariot doesn't make the list?" but I then I remembered it's been closed for over a decade. ::uhoh::
That was the beginning of the deep rot.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/beerandcider/the-51-best-college-bars-in-america/ss-AAmI3Xh Clickbait, "The 51 Best College Bars in America." Cornell not among the winners. Apparently no other Ivy schools either. Checked by googling the story title and each school name one at a time. Otherwise you click through fifty-some screens.
Actually clicking through 50+ screens didn't take long and yielded better results: 21 Harvard (https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/beerandcider/the-51-best-college-bars-in-america/ss-AAmI3Xh#image=21), 32 Dartmouth (https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/beerandcider/the-51-best-college-bars-in-america/ss-AAmI3Xh#image=32) and 41 Brown (https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/beerandcider/the-51-best-college-bars-in-america/ss-AAmI3Xh#image=41). Links provided for non-retirees who should be working.
And while the Dutch Goose is a nice place to grab burgers and beer and watch Stanford beat USC at The Coliseum, it's not really a bar in the classic sense (more of a bar and grill) and it's more of a local place that college students happen to go to occasionally rather than a student place.
Quote from: French RageAnd while the Dutch Goose is a nice place to grab burgers and beer and watch Stanford beat USC at The Coliseum, it's not really a bar in the classic sense (more of a bar and grill) and it's more of a local place that college students happen to go to occasionally rather than a student place.
The Dutch Goose is clearly deserving, if only because of the deviled eggs...
Is the Nines the next to go? I saw links on Ithaca Voice about a project to replace the building with a 6 story apt. building..
Quote from: upprdeckIs the Nines the next to go? I saw links on Ithaca Voice about a project to replace the building with a 6 story apt. building..
Story here: https://ithacavoice.com/2017/09/apartments-proposed-nines-collegetown/
Rather than management retirement, poor business, or a fire, this is just out-and-out landlord greed and thirst to milk the "luxury highrise" market dry. Nevermind the views of the surrounding hills, soon you'll barely be able to get daylight on College Ave or Dryden Rd with the canyon that's slowly being pieced together.
one would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Quote from: upprdeckone would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Nines is running out of competitors to be loyal to.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: upprdeckIs the Nines the next to go? I saw links on Ithaca Voice about a project to replace the building with a 6 story apt. building..
Story here: https://ithacavoice.com/2017/09/apartments-proposed-nines-collegetown/
Rather than management retirement, poor business, or a fire, this is just out-and-out landlord greed and thirst to milk the "luxury highrise" market dry. Nevermind the views of the surrounding hills, soon you'll barely be able to get daylight on College Ave or Dryden Rd with the canyon that's slowly being pieced together.
Frankly, that was a similar reason to Dunbar's closing, too. The landlord just made life unbearable because she wanted to do something else with the space.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: RichHQuote from: upprdeckIs the Nines the next to go? I saw links on Ithaca Voice about a project to replace the building with a 6 story apt. building..
Story here: https://ithacavoice.com/2017/09/apartments-proposed-nines-collegetown/
Rather than management retirement, poor business, or a fire, this is just out-and-out landlord greed and thirst to milk the "luxury highrise" market dry. Nevermind the views of the surrounding hills, soon you'll barely be able to get daylight on College Ave or Dryden Rd with the canyon that's slowly being pieced together.
Frankly, that was a similar reason to Dunbar's closing, too. The landlord just made life unbearable because she wanted to do something else with the space.
Something else, like another bar?? My memory (2nd hand) is that Pep just wanted to move south and he gave several years notice that he was looking for a buyer.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: RichHQuote from: upprdeckIs the Nines the next to go? I saw links on Ithaca Voice about a project to replace the building with a 6 story apt. building..
Story here: https://ithacavoice.com/2017/09/apartments-proposed-nines-collegetown/
Rather than management retirement, poor business, or a fire, this is just out-and-out landlord greed and thirst to milk the "luxury highrise" market dry. Nevermind the views of the surrounding hills, soon you'll barely be able to get daylight on College Ave or Dryden Rd with the canyon that's slowly being pieced together.
Frankly, that was a similar reason to Dunbar's closing, too. The landlord just made life unbearable because she wanted to do something else with the space.
Something else, like another bar?? My memory (2nd hand) is that Pep just wanted to move south and he gave several years notice that he was looking for a buyer.
According to Lee, Pep wanted to get out mainly because running the bar became too stressful thanks to demands from the landlord. They felt she was trying to force them out. What those demands were, he wasn't specific about. But it was clear to me that he felt they would have kept the bar open if not for the landlord.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckone would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Nines is running out of competitors to be loyal to.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/10/nines-redevelopment-project-cancelled/) reports on latest news about The Nines.
wonder if the owner sells out or stay the course for awhile..
Not a bar, but a pending replacement in Collegetown has taken a step forward. https://ithacavoice.com/2017/11/myrick-breaks-tie-vote-opposes-collegetown-historic-landmarking/
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckone would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Nines is running out of competitors to be loyal to.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/10/nines-redevelopment-project-cancelled/) reports on latest news about The Nines.
Another concept in the Nines replacement story. (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/11/visum-revives-plans-nines-redevelopment/)
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: David HardingQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckone would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Nines is running out of competitors to be loyal to.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/10/nines-redevelopment-project-cancelled/) reports on latest news about The Nines.
Another concept in the Nines replacement story. (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/11/visum-revives-plans-nines-redevelopment/)
I see nothing in that article about corn nuggets. :-(
Quote from: VP Market DevelopmentOur goal is to approach redevelopment of 311 College with sensitivity to its context.
The context is Collegetown used to be a dump housing poor students en route to a comfortable life. Now the comfortable life starts sophomore year. If you can afford $2,000 for a one-bedroom in a new building.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: David HardingQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckone would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Nines is running out of competitors to be loyal to.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/10/nines-redevelopment-project-cancelled/) reports on latest news about The Nines.
Another concept in the Nines replacement story. (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/11/visum-revives-plans-nines-redevelopment/)
Still another installment in the Nines building saga from https://ithacavoice.com/2018/02/strange-situation-nines/.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: David HardingQuote from: David HardingQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckone would wonder if the nines would come back to life in another location of the many places in college town that are long gone. its has a loyal following.
Nines is running out of competitors to be loyal to.
Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/10/nines-redevelopment-project-cancelled/) reports on latest news about The Nines.
Another concept in the Nines replacement story. (https://ithacavoice.com/2017/11/visum-revives-plans-nines-redevelopment/)
Still another installment in the Nines building saga from https://ithacavoice.com/2018/02/strange-situation-nines/.
The end is nigh. Ithaca.com: Farewell concert at The Nines features local bands (http://www.ithaca.com/entertainment/music/saying-goodbye-farewell-concert-at-the-nines-features-local-bands/article_d3036c5a-3822-11e8-8a3f-cf6ad4c899f1.html)
Event poster (https://www.facebook.com/7334972372/photos/a.10151691134102373.1073741826.7334972372/10155154807727373/?type=3)
Not bars, but both Collegetown Pizza and Dunkin Donuts have closed abruptly. http://cornellsun.com/2018/05/03/collegetown-pizza-and-dunkin-donuts-close-down-locations/
Quote from: David HardingNot bars, but both Collegetown Pizza and Dunkin Donuts have closed abruptly. http://cornellsun.com/2018/05/03/collegetown-pizza-and-dunkin-donuts-close-down-locations/
Seems impossible that a pizza joint in Collegetown could lose money.
Times change when the closing of a Dunkin' in Collegetown is news. Or when it come to Collegetown. Maybe the coffee didn't cost enough.
Latest on the Nines. http://cornellsun.com/2018/06/07/common-council-douses-nines-designation-clearing-way-for-development/
Quote from: Sarah Skinner, Cornell SunThe Common Council officially struck down the controversial proposal to declare the Nines building in Collegetown a local landmark. The tiebreaker vote followed a five-hour meeting Tuesday night that set a "record" for public comment.
The owners, Mark Kielmann '72 and Harold Schultz, will be able to sell the property for development without the constraints of landmark designation, which would have required any exterior change to the building to be approved by the Ithaca Landmarks Preservation Commission.
I do not know why "record" is in quotes. Actually, I see it now: One of the alderm
enpersons said he heard it was a record, 52 commenters.
Closing.
https://cornellsun.com/2018/10/03/farewell-to-the-nines-collegetown-restaurant-to-close-on-sunday/
well that sucks
Current Collegetown spots with a bar:
Collegetown Bagels
Resurrected Rulloff's
Level B
Jack's Grill
Loco Cantina
Hideaway
RIP:
Palms
Dino's
Johnny's
Johnny O's
The Chariot
The Connection/Bear Den (College Ave)
Little Joe's
Pixel
Stella's
Chapter House
Dunbar's
The Nines
Quote from: RichHCurrent Collegetown spots with a bar:
Collegetown Bagels
Resurrected Rulloff's
Level B
Jack's Grill
Loco Cantina
RIP:
Palms
Dino's
Johnny's
Johnny O's
The Chariot
The Connection/Bear Den (College Ave)
Little Joe's
Pixel
Stella's
Chapter House
Dunbar's
The Nines
Isn't there something where Dunbar's was? Or did it close already?
Quote from: gonyrQuote from: RichHCurrent Collegetown spots with a bar:
Collegetown Bagels
Resurrected Rulloff's
Level B
Jack's Grill
Loco Cantina
RIP:
Palms
Dino's
Johnny's
Johnny O's
The Chariot
The Connection/Bear Den (College Ave)
Little Joe's
Pixel
Stella's
Chapter House
Dunbar's
The Nines
Isn't there something where Dunbar's was? Or did it close already?
Hideaway is in Dunbar's location. Google reviews (https://www.google.com/search?q=hideaway+ithaca+eddy+st&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab#lrd=0x89d0818e463f6241:0x2a395e45c82e7cf4,1,,,) It opened in the fall of 2016. https://cornellsun.com/2016/08/06/new-bar-hideaway-to-replace-dunbars-in-collegetown/ https://ithacavoice.com/2016/08/new-ithaca-bar-hideaway-moves-into-dunbars-old-spot/
First the Nines and now Napoli's..
not much warning for this one though. closing today
Quote from: RichHCurrent Collegetown spots with a bar:
Collegetown Bagels
Resurrected Rulloff's
Level B
Jack's Grill
Loco Cantina
RIP:
Palms
Dino's
Johnny's
Johnny O's
The Chariot
The Connection/Bear Den (College Ave)
Little Joe's
Pixel
Stella's
Chapter House
Dunbar's
The Nines
The "Sun" headline reads "Are Collegetown Bagels and Ruloff's On the Chopping Block? Developers Plan Demolition for June 2020 (https://cornellsun.com/2019/08/30/are-collegetown-bagels-and-ruloffs-on-the-chopping-block-developers-plan-demolition-for-june-2020/)"
Also, in the Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/).
the Green Market place? on the corner has been closed for a long time.
Quote from: David HardingThe "Sun" headline reads "Are Collegetown Bagels and Ruloff's On the Chopping Block? Developers Plan Demolition for June 2020 (https://cornellsun.com/2019/08/30/are-collegetown-bagels-and-ruloffs-on-the-chopping-block-developers-plan-demolition-for-june-2020/)"
Also, in the Village Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/).
I neglected to update that list until today to include the Hideaway, in the Dunbar's location. Also, that's the Ithaca Voice. The Village Voice shut down (https://gothamist.com/news/the-village-voice-is-officially-dead) a year ago this week.
But wow, looking at the photos, the majority of that building is quite fugly, so I understand the desire to do a rebuild, especially considering the maintenance issues discussed in the articles. Even so, I maintain that the commercial spaces of it, CTB and Ruloff's most notably, are charming as hell, and I know the replacement won't come close to that feel.
And I'm expecting that the new rent structures will probably price out the current tenants. So what annoying chain isn't in Collegetown yet? There's already Starbucks and 7-Eleven. Dunkin F'ing Donuts? ::yark::
Quote from: RichHBut wow, looking at the photos, the majority of that building is quite fugly, so I understand the desire to do a rebuild, especially considering the maintenance issues discussed in the articles. Even so, I maintain that the commercial spaces of it, CTB and Ruloff's most notably, are charming as hell, and I know the replacement won't come close to that feel.
Yeah, looking at that picture I had no recollection of what the upper floors of that building were supposed to look like. I guess I've spent most of my time in Ithaca with my head down huddled against the rain/snow.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: David HardingThe "Sun" headline reads "Are Collegetown Bagels and Ruloff's On the Chopping Block? Developers Plan Demolition for June 2020 (https://cornellsun.com/2019/08/30/are-collegetown-bagels-and-ruloffs-on-the-chopping-block-developers-plan-demolition-for-june-2020/)"
Also, in the Village Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/).
Also, that's the Ithaca Voice. The Village Voice shut down (https://gothamist.com/news/the-village-voice-is-officially-dead) a year ago this week.
Ooops.
An undergrad bemoans the loss of character in the Collegetown restaurant scene, CTB in particular. https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/22/guest-room-the-destruction-of-collegetown/
Quote from: David HardingAn undergrad bemoans the loss of character in the Collegetown restaurant scene, CTB in particular. https://cornellsun.com/2019/09/22/guest-room-the-destruction-of-collegetown/
Spot on! I'll buy that kid a beer and tell him about the old days!
Oh, wait! He's a junior so probably not legal. Oh, wait! There are few (and soon to be fewer) proper bars left in Collegetown.
"Oh, it's too hot today..."
And Joes shuts down this week too.. Long past its prime but still a place around for like 50-75 yrs
the college town of 25 yrs ago was a great place..
How could such a big campus not actually support decent places anymore and why dont the new owners of these buildings realize that a vibrant night life just adds to people want to be there?
Quote from: upprdeckHow could such a big campus not actually support decent places anymore and why dont the new owners of these buildings realize that a vibrant night life just adds to people want to be there?
You might need a planned economy and subsidies for the things that make Collegetown be Collegetown: scruffy bars, bagel delis. Put Cornell in charge ... they'd subsidize a 24-hour copy center and Italian restaurants not Asian fusion, or they'd get caught up in a never-ending debate about why is Eddy Street Pizza subsidized when it doesn't have enough variety of vegan pies and they can't prove the olive oil was sustainably farmed.
If there's one thing Collegetown needs, it's a supermarket that doesn't force you 1-3 miles away to Aldi, Wegman's, P&C. Okay, there's Greenstar so you've got something.
New York City has the same issues orders of magnitude bigger: an area is a dump, artists move in, it becomes cool, rents go up, artists forced out, your neighbors are young urban professionals, and then Taylor Swift moves in.
I think this is a problem all over the world: developers rush to build housing, but the service economy that makes a place livable (grocery stores, bakeries, restaurants, banks) always seem to lag behind. Of course I live upstairs from two supermarkets and a drugstore, and will be able to see a bakery from my kitchen window once the leaves fall off the trees, so I can hardly complain at the moment.
From the Ithaca Voice 37 people busted for fake IDs in Ithaca underage drinking initiative (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/09/37-people-busted-for-fake-ids-in-ithaca-underage-drinking-initiative/)
From 14850.com Violations at four out of five bars checked in Ithaca (https://www.14850.com/092711307-alcohol-bars-1909/)
Quote from: David HardingFrom the Ithaca Voice 37 people busted for fake IDs in Ithaca underage drinking initiative (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/09/37-people-busted-for-fake-ids-in-ithaca-underage-drinking-initiative/)
From 14850.com Violations at four out of five bars checked in Ithaca (https://www.14850.com/092711307-alcohol-bars-1909/)
Some of our finest protecting impressionable youths from the scourges of demon rum. Nothing could possibly benefit society more!
Quote from: David HardingFrom the Ithaca Voice 37 people busted for fake IDs in Ithaca underage drinking initiative (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/09/37-people-busted-for-fake-ids-in-ithaca-underage-drinking-initiative/)
QuoteIn a news release Friday, police said they found violations in all of those bars except Level B.
Level B!
The Sun (https://cornellsun.com/2019/12/11/a-foodie-farewell-to-the-top-10-collegetown-establishments-that-have-closed-in-the-past-decade/) kciks off its summary of the decade with an article on "A Foodie Farewell to the Top 10 Collegetown Establishments That Have Closed in the Past Decade".
really missing the Nines Pizza this time of yr. so many xmas office parties down there over the yrs
and losing Napolis wings too has probably been better for my diet,
https://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/collegetown-bagels-plans-move-to-cornells-sheldon-court/
Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
it shows that the money is in the housing and none of the landlords really care about the experience they are creating.
you have a ready made restaurant thats been vacant on the 4 corners thats been empty for a decade and something like CTB never even thinks about moving in. no doubt they want to knock it down and build up when that lease is done. although i saw signs of some work around it last week.
Quote from: upprdeckit shows that the money is in the housing and none of the landlords really care about the experience they are creating.
you have a ready made restaurant thats been vacant on the 4 corners thats been empty for a decade and something like CTB never even thinks about moving in. no doubt they want to knock it down and build up when that lease is done. although i saw signs of some work around it last week.
This based on your knowledge of what is in the minds of the owners, your experience running eating establishments and your ownership of commercial properties?
my talks with with the owners of properties in college town and the crazy money some of those have. the buildings downtown went up and 2 places move into. on collegetown nothing and from what i hear it will get worse soon. the rents are killing all those places
worked at the next door location of collegetown bagels when i lived in sheldon court. still showed up late to work sometimes, somehow.
What monstrosity are they going to build on the Oliver's (fine, CTB) site? 20 stories? $3k starting rent?
Quote from: TrotskyWhat monstrosity are they going to build on the Oliver's (fine, CTB) site? 20 stories? $3k starting rent?
There are a couple of elevations shown in the Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/) article from last August, along with a bunch of history.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: TrotskyWhat monstrosity are they going to build on the Oliver's (fine, CTB) site? 20 stories? $3k starting rent?
There are a couple of elevations shown in the Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/) article from last August, along with a bunch of history.
That looks... actually, pretty nice. The present building, for all its history, is a horrific eyesore. Pretty much anything they put there is going to be better. 5 stories is, well, inevitable until the plague cuts the population back to a reasonable level.
I'll allow it.
Quote from: TrotskyWhat monstrosity are they going to build on the Oliver's (fine, CTB) site? 20 stories? $3k starting rent?
The new building gains one additional floor, taking it from four to five. There is a confusing paragraph in the Ithaca Voice about how the number of apartments on the block will increase from 30 to 56, but it's not the only building on the block. If the first floor is retail, then going from four to five floors should increase the apartments by a third, more or less.
Meanwhile, Student Agencies, which I thought of as the people that rented you dorm refrigerators and maybe ran a laundry, now is a conglomerate. Among other things it produces the Cornellian yearbook ... priced "from $150.00."
I continue to be surprised the university hasn't been more aggressive grabbing land. Cornell can buy individual apartment buildings, keep them going for 10-25 years, until they amass enough land to put up something larger. The only downside is Cornell probably has a higher cost of doing business because it needs to actually maintain buildings to code. I used to assume Cornell as a Collegetown landlord is a good thing, now I'm uncertain. It may be that Cornell would see a need to build collegetown apartments that are more affordably priced, if Cornell can do it and not lose money.
I lived for a decade in a two-family apartment bordering Smith College in Massachusetts and in 1980 Smith had a standing offer to buy the house. It's now in a next generation of the landlord's family. And I believe the offer still stands. It's probably like that in every small town collegetown.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: David HardingQuote from: TrotskyWhat monstrosity are they going to build on the Oliver's (fine, CTB) site? 20 stories? $3k starting rent?
There are a couple of elevations shown in the Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/) article from last August, along with a bunch of history.
That looks... actually, pretty nice. The present building, for all its history, is a horrific eyesore. Pretty much anything they put there is going to be better. 5 stories is, well, inevitable until the plague cuts the population back to a reasonable level.
Meh. Looks like a prison block on top of an oversized office park building. It turns the Oliver's corner very, very corporate. And you know that brick is going to be that ugly, big, over-grouted crap they use everywhere because no one does quality masonry work anymore. It'll all look uniform and plastic.
What I'll miss most? The oversize shopfront entrance. You know, a detail meant for humans.
Not quite so venerable an establishment, but more turnover in the Collegetown resatauant scene (https://cornellsun.com/2020/01/22/miyake-closes-after-17-years-handing-reins-to-new-pan-asian-restaurant/). Miyake has closed, another one is set to take its place on Eddy Street.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: David HardingQuote from: TrotskyWhat monstrosity are they going to build on the Oliver's (fine, CTB) site? 20 stories? $3k starting rent?
There are a couple of elevations shown in the Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2019/08/plans-in-motion-to-redevelop-historic-collegetown-block/) article from last August, along with a bunch of history.
That looks... actually, pretty nice. The present building, for all its history, is a horrific eyesore. Pretty much anything they put there is going to be better. 5 stories is, well, inevitable until the plague cuts the population back to a reasonable level.
Meh. Looks like a prison block on top of an oversized office park building. It turns the Oliver's corner very, very corporate. And you know that brick is going to be that ugly, big, over-grouted crap they use everywhere because no one does quality masonry work anymore. It'll all look uniform and plastic.
What I'll miss most? The oversize shopfront entrance. You know, a detail meant for humans.
Whaddya want? The last beautiful building in the US was erected 80 years ago.
Quote from: TrotskyWhaddya want? The last beautiful building in the US was erected 80 years ago.
Do you mean this?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/LaGuardia_MarineAirTerminal_1974.jpg)
I'll agree. 1939 was still a good year. The problem was in residential architecture, where Miesian steel/glass boxes took hold, knocked off by architects who didn't have the originator's command of openness and light.
To be honest, something in me likes some of the Stalinist architecture from the 40s and 50s...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/%D0%9C%D0%93%D0%A3._%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5..jpg)
I'm probably attracted by the exuberance of ornamentation, something that became anathema in the west because the Nazis loved it and we had to be darn sure to prove we weren't Nazis. Or Socialists.
Even brutalism has its place. (Not in the middle of Boston, but I digress.) But, geez, you need talent to pull it off! Most of the time, the money behind whatever project is being built doesn't have the aesthetic chops to force the architects toward creating something great, that is, if they have the ability to do so in the first place.
I actually stayed in one of those Stalinist Skyscrapers when it was the Hotel Ukraina. It didn't have air conditioning at the time, which in a Moscow summer is critical.
IMO the TWA terminal at JFK is an attractive building. I actually slept in that one, too, but only because of a blizzard in NYC on the way back to Ithaca from a senior year interview. It wasn't a hotel at the time.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82I actually stayed in one of those Stalinist Skyscrapers when it was the Hotel Ukraina. It didn't have air conditioning at the time, which in a Moscow summer is critical.
IMO the TWA terminal at JFK is an attractive building. I actually slept in that one, too, but only because of a blizzard in NYC on the way back to Ithaca from a senior year interview. It wasn't a hotel at the time.
(Eero) Saarinen's TWA Terminal (1962) was/is a masterwork. Yet, even a master can put out a clunker or two. I give you:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/University_of_Michigan_August_2013_056_%28Earl_V._Moore_Building%29.jpg)
the Earl V. Moore Building of Michigan's School of Music (Eero Saarinen, 1958), the halls of which I had the relative displeasure of haunting for [unprintable] years.
Functional for about five months: May, June, July, and August, when pretty much no one is around; and February when the pond (sometimes) freezes enough to permit skating. Like everyone else who goes there, I spent hours gazing cock-eyed out those window slits at (sometimes) the outdoor beauty or (most of the time) the normal Michigan grey overcast muddiness. The rest of the time, I was shuffling about the sepulchral corridors.
Big patio! Never usable, and you're on display for and blocking the view of those using the classrooms. Big windows! Only in classrooms, three sides of one level of the library, and (only) some (very few, actually!) offices. Sound proofing? Nah...
Going back to your point and Saarinen citation, we're still just talking about monumental projects. Residential and commercial architecture in all countries took a nosedive starting in the mid-50s. On the scale of the single-family house, I even have a soft spot for the venerable ol' split level, but then it all mostly got worse from there, ending where we are now with McMansions (https://mcmansionhell.com/post/148605513816/mcmansions-101-what-makes-a-mcmansion-bad).
Brutalism is a long way to go for a joke, and those Cyclopean Stalinist structures only look good from a distance, if that.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/17/19406222_23552f4bb3_b.jpg)
Though to be fair this is so spectacularly stupid it's kind of enjoyable:
(https://www.bread.org/sites/default/files/styles/875_wide/public/field/image/icelandchurchstephenpadre.jpg?itok=S16yK2r4)
"The North's gonna do it again!" They should put that fucker in Potsdam.
Quote from: TrotskyBrutalism is a long way to go for a joke, and those Cyclopean Stalinist structures only look good from a distance, if that.
That tower? Bradfield? I admit I had to look twice or three times. (Et tu brutalist?)
But that's not a joke; count on postmodernists to make dubious jokes:
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53066436e4b0fb69071dde49/1402320573148-7GRXGNOFH6J7OGUAVHZX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKH7KHYSG7zxUbeunos326d7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UWUL5RCgRNZ9xTxwoXosnD_QvHwpLOB8b6XByL0buooUKnfglTwNkE7EpLbpRwQXPw/bell+tower.jpg?format=1000w)
I give you Lurie Bell Tower (Charles W. Moore, 1996), Michigan North Campus. I leave its shape as a proof to the reader. (That "corpus" running up one side is not mirrored on the other one.)
Quote from: TrotskyThough to be fair this is so spectacularly stupid it's kind of enjoyable:
[snip]
"The North's gonna do it again!" They should put that fucker in Potsdam.
I like it! Couldn't be more classically gothic inside. But, as a Lutheran church, I suspect siting it somewhere in Minnesota might be more appropriate.
To put a real question out there, has anyone thought of a good residential or commercial building built past, say, 1955? A good skyscraper might count, but something less monumental in the five- or six-story range would be more interesting.
The tower is (was) Crosley Tower in Cincinnati. I assume as in Crosley Field, the precursor to Riverfront Stadium. Fun fact: Crosley brought mass production to radios so something is his fault, I'm not sure what; maybe mass stupidity.
Quote from: TrotskyBrutalism is a long way to go for a joke, and those Cyclopean Stalinist structures only look good from a distance, if that.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/17/19406222_23552f4bb3_b.jpg)
Though to be fair this is so spectacularly stupid it's kind of enjoyable:
(https://www.bread.org/sites/default/files/styles/875_wide/public/field/image/icelandchurchstephenpadre.jpg?itok=S16yK2r4)
"The North's gonna do it again!" They should put that fucker in Potsdam.
Yeah sorry. I like that cathedral. It works for Reykjavik.
Yep. The Lief Erikson statue in front of Hallgrímskirsja. Once I saw Reykjavik, I remembered right away.
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/cornell-orchards-set-to-close-store/) reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.
Quote from: David HardingNot a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/cornell-orchards-set-to-close-store/) reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.
That sucks. The annual visit last winter was apparently my last. I'm fortunate that there is a nitrogen purge equipped store near my home.
The varieties available at Cornell were great and so was the unpasteurized cider until that disappeared years ago.
Quote from: Scersk '97To be honest, something in me likes some of the Stalinist architecture from the 40s and 50s...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/%D0%9C%D0%93%D0%A3._%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5..jpg)
I'm probably attracted by the exuberance of ornamentation, something that became anathema in the west because the Nazis loved it and we had to be darn sure to prove we weren't Nazis. Or Socialists.
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.
Quote from: jtwcornell91I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.
Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!
(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.
Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!
(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.
They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.
Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!
(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.
They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.
Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.
Cornell is pretty good at killing traditions.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.
Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!
(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.
They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.
Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.
Did they build them all to the same plan or something?
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.
Well, they
had changed chefs...
Not a bar and not Collegetown, but sort of in the same vein: Denny's has closed, leaving Ithaca with no 24-hour sit-down dining options:
https://www.14850.com/013012460-dennys-closed/
I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.
Quote from: jtwcornell91I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.
Well, the State should go back to 24 then!
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: jtwcornell91I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.
Well, the State should go back to 24 then!
I didn't realize it ever stopped. John's post really threw me and for a second I thought State was dead!
BTW, I swear every time I go there State has gotten even
farther west. I expect it to wind up in Mecklenburg.
Quote from: TrotskyBTW, I swear every time I go there State has gotten even farther west. I expect it to wind up in Mecklenburg.
I frequented the State more as a townie than as a student or expatriate. But it was always nice to know it (and Manos) were there late at night if necessary.
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.
Quote from: Scersk '97Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.
No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.
This article is remarkably in-depth: https://ithacavoice.com/2014/12/ithacas-iconic-manos-diner-suddenly-closing-52-years/
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Scersk '97Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.
No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.
This article is remarkably in-depth: https://ithacavoice.com/2014/12/ithacas-iconic-manos-diner-suddenly-closing-52-years/
truly, the hands of fate
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: Scersk '97Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.
No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.
This article is remarkably in-depth: https://ithacavoice.com/2014/12/ithacas-iconic-manos-diner-suddenly-closing-52-years/
truly, the hands of fate
But who will watch the place when the Master is away?
I meant the demise of the 24-hour diner, not Manos specifically. Cigarettes keep you awake, you know.
Quote from: Scersk '97I meant the demise of the 24-hour diner, not Manos specifically. Cigarettes keep you awake, you know.
(https://i.etsystatic.com/5851351/r/il/5997b8/903286565/il_570xN.903286565_jeyb.jpg)
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RichHQuote from: Scersk '97Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.
No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.
This article is remarkably in-depth: https://ithacavoice.com/2014/12/ithacas-iconic-manos-diner-suddenly-closing-52-years/
truly, the hands of fate
+1
Quote from: David HardingNot a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/cornell-orchards-set-to-close-store/) reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.
OH no. when I was a grad student, my lab was in BTI - across the street from the orchard. They had apples for sale through February. I used to go every friday or saturday to get apples for my weekend baking adventures. I still have recipes and "know your apples" cheat sheets from the 90's.
As I go to the local supermarket in SWFL to get apples for my "football sunday apple pie" (yup - some habits do not die) I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.
Quote from: RitaQuote from: David HardingNot a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/cornell-orchards-set-to-close-store/) reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.
OH no.... I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.
Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples? :-(
Quote from: martyWhere else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples? :-(
Wegmans.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyWhere else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples? :-(
Wegmans.
Siddharth and I invented a weekly Wegmans event called "tasting Saturday".
I think Bjs is the best place for free samples
Quote from: martyQuote from: RitaQuote from: David HardingNot a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice (https://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/cornell-orchards-set-to-close-store/) reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.
OH no.... I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.
Where else could one fill the belly with delicious healthy FREE samples? :-(
FMP
Quote from: David Hardinghttps://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/collegetown-bagels-plans-move-to-cornells-sheldon-court/
Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com (https://www.14850.com/011712355-collegetown-bagels-2001/). It sounds like a nice step up for them.
I had no idea that was the original space for Triangle Books.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: David Hardinghttps://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/collegetown-bagels-plans-move-to-cornells-sheldon-court/
Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com (https://www.14850.com/011712355-collegetown-bagels-2001/). It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuote from: David Hardinghttps://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/collegetown-bagels-plans-move-to-cornells-sheldon-court/
Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com (https://www.14850.com/011712355-collegetown-bagels-2001/). It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?
The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuote from: David Hardinghttps://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/collegetown-bagels-plans-move-to-cornells-sheldon-court/
Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com (https://www.14850.com/011712355-collegetown-bagels-2001/). It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?
The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.
I worked in the original location. the second location did though. I didn't catch the mention of outdoor space in Sheldon Court, so thanks for that.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: David HardingQuote from: David Hardinghttps://ithacavoice.com/2020/01/collegetown-bagels-plans-move-to-cornells-sheldon-court/
Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com (https://www.14850.com/011712355-collegetown-bagels-2001/). It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?
The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.
I worked in the original location. the second location did though. I didn't catch the mention of outdoor space in Sheldon Court, so thanks for that.
Here's Google Maps Streetview of the new location.
(https://goo.gl/maps/yL5fRy8XL1xUxseo7)
The Haunt will be moving in the face of development along Cayuga Inlet https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/14/the-haunt-to-relocate-as-waterfront-development-readies-for-ground-breaking/
does this have any effect on the golf course?
Quote from: upprdeckdoes this have any effect on the golf course?
There's a 2019 Waterfront Plan (https://www.cityofithaca.org/DocumentCenter/View/10983/2019-Waterfront-Plan-Final-11-19) that includes a Newman [as in golf course] District at the north end. The Haunt and the development that will replace it are in the Newman District, but the golf course is outside the plan area, forming its northern border. There might well be more business for the course with housing close by. You can see the course in the background of this rendering (https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/02/ithaca-developers-prepare-for-ambitious-waterfront-housing-complex/).
I cant imagine how that road/intersection handles that much more load on the northern end.
Quote from: David HardingThe Haunt will be moving in the face of development along Cayuga Inlet https://cornellsun.com/2020/02/14/the-haunt-to-relocate-as-waterfront-development-readies-for-ground-breaking/
It never made much sense to me that The Haunt (*) had moved out of downtown into such a remote (from the colleges) location.
(*) where I attended a Dead Milkmen concert first semester freshman year, and a classmate of mine--who, despite being a Physics major, hung out with artsie types in the basement of Sibley--saw me there and commented that he didn't expect to find me at an event like that, with the obvious subtext that I was too much of a dork to listen to anything remotely punk-like.
Quote from: jtwcornell91(*) where I attended a Dead Milkmen concert first semester freshman year, and a classmate of mine--who, despite being a Physics major, hung out with artsie types in the basement of Sibley--saw me there and commented that he didn't expect to find me at an event like that, with the obvious subtext that I was too much of a dork to listen to anything remotely punk-like.
That makes
no sense. The two staple college punk demos
are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples. INTJ in the streets, ENTP in the sheets.)
Your classmate was an idiot. Also, if there is an Ur-Dead Milkman fan, John, it's you. Fun fact: this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyaK3jo4Sl4) was Dr. Mrs.' & my
first dance song.
Quote from: TrotskyThe two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples.
INTJ in the streets,
ENTP in the sheets.)
This is poetry. In the sixties it was "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Which devolved to "Par-TAY!" then "Hey, that's
my Uber not yours!" You've brought something back to discourse and learned commentary.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyThe two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples.
INTJ in the streets,
ENTP in the sheets.)
This is poetry. In the sixties it was "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Which devolved to "Par-TAY!" then "Hey, that's my Uber not yours!" You've brought something back to discourse and learned commentary.
I'd like to thank Lester Bangs and John Peele.
A Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. https://cornellsun.com/2020/09/24/ctb-sells-nostalgia-not-bagels/
QuoteCTB's main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don't buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they've had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as "Bread formed into the shape of a bagel," and another as "a small, sad, overpriced lump.".
Quote from: David HardingA Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. https://cornellsun.com/2020/09/24/ctb-sells-nostalgia-not-bagels/
QuoteCTB's main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don't buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they've had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as "Bread formed into the shape of a bagel," and another as "a small, sad, overpriced lump.".
"Pedaling" and "relieve" are why you can't rely on spellchecking software in lieu of actual editors and proofreaders.
But this student's writing would still be terrible even if spelled perfectly.
Quote from: David HardingA Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. https://cornellsun.com/2020/09/24/ctb-sells-nostalgia-not-bagels/
QuoteCTB's main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don't buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they've had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as "Bread formed into the shape of a bagel," and another as "a small, sad, overpriced lump.".
That's not why CTB sucks.
CTB sucks because (1) bagels suck and (2) it replaced Olivers.
So is Ithaca Pasta thats moving into the old Joes space a new eating place or just an extension of the catering service they offer?
Quote from: David HardingA Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. https://cornellsun.com/2020/09/24/ctb-sells-nostalgia-not-bagels/
QuoteCTB's main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don't buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they've had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as "Bread formed into the shape of a bagel," and another as "a small, sad, overpriced lump.".
Counterpoint in the Sun. (https://cornellsun.com/2020/10/16/ctb-might-offer-more-than-just-nostalgia/)
QuoteGabe Schiffer's column on Collegetown Bagels is extraordinarily colorful and eloquent. Unfortunately, it misses the larger picture about this iconic, decades-old, family-run local business.
Pizza hut closes its final Ithaca location.. had 4 for awhile years ago.
with their closing and the Scale house 2 of the best priced lunch pizza options are gone.
But also brings up a question.. has anyone in town stepped up to take on the Nines Deep dish void?
Does the greater Ithaca area still have eleventy Friendly's?
Down to 1, I think across the mall has managed to survive so far.. downtown became a Dennys and then it failed and will be come a Byrne Dairy any day now..
Breakfast choices very limited now if you dont want fast food.
Every time I go up there the town has bifurcated more into crap or the kind of place hipsters take pictures of their food.
The only ones serving actual food are Cornell Dining.
Quote from: upprdeckDown to 1, I think across the mall has managed to survive so far.. downtown became a Dennys and then it failed and will be come a Byrne Dairy any day now..
Breakfast choices very limited now if you dont want fast food.
But what of the one *in* the mall?!
the mall location left a few yrs ago, its now a mexican place, if its still open.
Quote from: upprdeckthe mall location left a few yrs ago, its now a mexican place, if its still open.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a2177dcb-ec5b-4155-b2d9-313d246242d9
About the best news one could hope for regarding the Oliver's/CTB corner:
https://twitter.com/ithacabeer/status/1369067986380816384
I hope the patio will be awesome and will clash completely with the glass-box monstrosity behind it. I call for as many umbrellas and festive lights as possible, so as to reclaim that space for humanity.
Quote from: RichHAbout the best news one could hope for regarding the Oliver's/CTB corner:
The Sun expands on the story. https://cornellsun.com/2021/03/09/ithaca-beer-co-restaurant-to-open-in-former-ctb-location/
Ithaca Ghost Kitchen https://cornellsun.com/2021/03/07/ithaca-ghost-kitchen-a-pandemic-restaurant-done-right/ Across the street from where the Chapter House should be.
This is actually GREAT news! I now have a new place to eat before games! Maybe even after, depending on how late they will stay open. It has always sucked how early Ithaca downtown rolls up the sidewalks, not that there are many options if you don't want to tweet pics of your food.
Quote from: David HardingIthaca Ghost Kitchen https://cornellsun.com/2021/03/07/ithaca-ghost-kitchen-a-pandemic-restaurant-done-right/ Across the street from where the Chapter House should be.
Well said, sir.
I see Cornell Giving Day Thursday did not extend to crowdfunding a new Chapter House lease and management.
Quote from: Scersk '97I hope the patio will be awesome and will clash completely with the glass-box monstrosity behind it. I call for as many umbrellas and festive lights as possible, so as to reclaim that space for humanity.
Second worst is the best any such glass box monstrosity can be since 1973, when Uris "the Cor-Ten rusts quickly to form a fine patina" Hall opened.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Scersk '97I hope the patio will be awesome and will clash completely with the glass-box monstrosity behind it. I call for as many umbrellas and festive lights as possible, so as to reclaim that space for humanity.
Second worst is the best any such glass box monstrosity can be since 1973, when Uris "the Cor-Ten rusts quickly to form a fine patina" Hall opened.
Third worst, in fact, if we are considering any ol' architectural mistake, given Boardman Hall's untimely demise (1958) for Olin (1961).
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: billhowardQuote from: Scersk '97I hope the patio will be awesome and will clash completely with the glass-box monstrosity behind it. I call for as many umbrellas and festive lights as possible, so as to reclaim that space for humanity.
Second worst is the best any such glass box monstrosity can be since 1973, when Uris "the Cor-Ten rusts quickly to form a fine patina" Hall opened.
Third worst, in fact, if we are considering any ol' architectural mistake, given Boardman Hall's untimely demise (1958) for Olin (1961).
Whereas the glass-heavy arts-quad addition to Goldwin Smith Hall works well, is exactly the kind of space students want and use, and IMO Klarman Hall looks okay as a new addition to an old, old building.
Still trying to understand How cortland gets KFC and Chick fil now to come into town but Ithaca cant support them or ponderosa or pizza hut or burger kings but we have multiple dunkins and sub-ways and macdonalds.
Quote from: upprdeckStill trying to understand How cortland gets KFC and Chick fil now to come into town but Ithaca cant support them or ponderosa or pizza hut or burger kings but we have multiple dunkins and sub-ways and macdonalds.
Last I knew, there was a Pizza Hut at Triphammer. Has it closed?
Quote from: upprdeckStill trying to understand How cortland gets KFC and Chick fil now to come into town but Ithaca cant support them or ponderosa or pizza hut or burger kings but we have multiple dunkins and sub-ways and macdonalds.
Didn't Ithaca vote to zone the fast food garbage out at one time? Or was that just C'Town (since violated).
yea it closed awhile ago.. not clear if its forever or short term.
Quote from: upprdeckStill trying to understand How cortland gets KFC and Chick fil now to come into town but Ithaca cant support them or ponderosa or pizza hut or burger kings but we have multiple dunkins and sub-ways and macdonalds.
A lot of chains make proximity to a major highway a huge factor in selecting a location. Grabbing the many folks who are just passing through can outweigh the local demographics.
Quote from: upprdeckStill trying to understand How cortland gets KFC and Chick fil now to come into town but Ithaca cant support them or ponderosa or pizza hut or burger kings but we have multiple dunkins and sub-ways and macdonalds.
Chick-fil-a Cortland likely was a hoax (https://www.wxhc.com/no-chick-fil-a-is-not-coming-to-cortland-see-where-else-in-the-us-got-hoaxed/).
that makes more sense.. cortland seemed the wrong market size to get one anyway with so few up here.
Big real estate transaction on Eddy St, but it sounds as though it won't drive any immediate changes on the ground floor. https://ithacavoice.com/2021/08/collegetown-property-changes-hands-with-16-5-million-sale/ We can hope that the new owner doesn't try to squeeze the restaurant owners for more rent, just the apartment tenants.
Not exactly a bar, but I just saw on Google today that the Hillside Inn has closed. When did that happen? And what's there now?
Quote from: jtwcornell91Not exactly a bar, but I just saw on Google today that the Hillside Inn has closed. When did that happen? And what's there now?
Whatever it is, it's haunted.
Quote from: jtwcornell91Not exactly a bar, but I just saw on Google today that the Hillside Inn has closed. When did that happen? And what's there now?
Here's an article from 2019. https://www.tompkinsweekly.com/articles/dorm-style-hotel-coming-to-collegetown/ The story says that the gutted and rebuilt hotel was going to open in March 2020. That doesn't sound auspicious, but they have a live web site. https://thedormhotel.com/
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: jtwcornell91Not exactly a bar, but I just saw on Google today that the Hillside Inn has closed. When did that happen? And what's there now?
Here's an article from 2019. https://www.tompkinsweekly.com/articles/dorm-style-hotel-coming-to-collegetown/ The story says that the gutted and rebuilt hotel was going to open in March 2020. That doesn't sound auspicious, but they have a live web site. https://thedormhotel.com/
5 stars on TripAdvisor, though small sample size.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g47958-d23322758-Reviews-The_Dorm_Hotel-Ithaca_Finger_Lakes_New_York.html
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: jtwcornell91Not exactly a bar, but I just saw on Google today that the Hillside Inn has closed. When did that happen? And what's there now?
Here's an article from 2019. https://www.tompkinsweekly.com/articles/dorm-style-hotel-coming-to-collegetown/ The story says that the gutted and rebuilt hotel was going to open in March 2020. That doesn't sound auspicious, but they have a live web site. https://thedormhotel.com/
As historic as Sage Hall. Good bones but not quite like Sage's stone facade.
OK that's a really cool idea...
That seems like it turned out a lot better than it could have. Certainly a better fate than most of the late lamented watering holes...
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: jtwcornell91Not exactly a bar, but I just saw on Google today that the Hillside Inn has closed. When did that happen? And what's there now?
Here's an article from 2019. https://www.tompkinsweekly.com/articles/dorm-style-hotel-coming-to-collegetown/ The story says that the gutted and rebuilt hotel was going to open in March 2020. That doesn't sound auspicious, but they have a live web site. https://thedormhotel.com/
Delayed by COVID perhaps?
so is any place actually doing any Italian food any more in the city? 25 yrs ago you had half a dozen places. Bing/aub/Syr still have many places doing well but in Ithaca its gone away
There's always Joe's...
joes has been gone for years.
Quote from: upprdeckjoes has been gone for years.
When Joe's came back, it wasn't the restaurant it once was. Or the level and variety of Ithaca dining has gone way up and Joe's suffered in comparison. We ate there maybe three times in the years before the 2019 closing and it just wasn't the same.
https://www.14850.com/083011053-joes-closing/
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdeckjoes has been gone for years.
When Joe's came back, it wasn't the restaurant it once was. Or the level and variety of Ithaca dining has gone way up and Joe's suffered in comparison. We ate there maybe three times in the years before the 2019 closing and it just wasn't the same.
https://www.14850.com/083011053-joes-closing/
Agreed. My wife used to occasionally dream about a grilled tuna entree special that she ordered at the original Joe's. No nightmares due to the second coming of Joe's, but the decline was a testament to the work ethic (and recipes) at the original joint.
not a lot of good choices left in town. choi/boatyard i guess but both are pricey for the quantity/quality of the food.
Quote from: upprdecknot a lot of good choices left in town. choi/boatyard i guess but both are pricey for the quantity/quality of the food.
I just enjoyed a Boatyard meal and Janice liked her small plate. Coffee coming. On to warm-ups.
Quote from: upprdecknot a lot of good (affordable) [FYP] choices left in town. choi/boatyard i guess but both are pricey for the quantity/quality of the food.
Last century, a lot of decent cheap eats in Collegetown this at a time when Collegetown was not yet home to the New Young Gentry. Now, there are many good restaurants downtown that you can afford maybe once a month as a student.
It is hard to imagine Collegetown with, what, zero or one Italian restaurants?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdecknot a lot of good (affordable) [FYP] choices left in town. choi/boatyard i guess but both are pricey for the quantity/quality of the food.
Last century, a lot of decent cheap eats in Collegetown this at a time when Collegetown was not yet home to the New Young Gentry. Now, there are many good restaurants downtown that you can afford maybe once a month as a student.
It is hard to imagine Collegetown with, what, zero or one Italian restaurants?
There's a Youtube celeb, Michael Fremer who mentioned working at Record Runner in the late 60's in his review of the new Beatles box sets.
I'm curious if the space that Record Runner vacated when they closed was home to the short lived Steak Aroma.
Quote from: martyQuote from: billhowardQuote from: upprdecknot a lot of good (affordable) [FYP] choices left in town. choi/boatyard i guess but both are pricey for the quantity/quality of the food.
Last century, a lot of decent cheap eats in Collegetown this at a time when Collegetown was not yet home to the New Young Gentry. Now, there are many good restaurants downtown that you can afford maybe once a month as a student.
It is hard to imagine Collegetown with, what, zero or one Italian restaurants?
There's a Youtube celeb, Michael Fremer who mentioned working at Record Runner in the late 60's in his review of the new Beatles box sets.
I'm curious if the space that Record Runner vacated when they closed was home to the short lived Steak Aroma.
From what I can see below (TLDR), I think that Steak Aroma was probably adjacent to Road Runner Records in the same building, but evidence is conflicting.
I confess to never having paid any attention to either establishment, despite lived just a few blocks away through that period. I can offer Ithaca Journal articles identifying the address of Road Runner as 406 College Ave (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88840159/) and Steak Aroma as 408 College Ave (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88840271/).
Poking around a little more in the Ithaca City Directories:
1969 Record Runner at 406 College and both Hill Drug Store and Pete's Luncheonette at 408 College.
1970 Same
1971 Same
1972 The Fire Light at 406 and Flamboyan Restaurant sharing 408 with Hill Drug.
1973 406 and the restaurant slot at 408 were both listed as vacant.
1974-1975 Steak Aroma Four at 406 and nothing but Hill Drug at 408.
1976 same
1977 same
1978 406 is vacant and Hill Drug remains at 408.
1979 both vacant.
Checking the Cornell Sun digital archive, I find Steak Aroma ads starting in September listing the address as 408 College Ave. Help wanted ads (dishwasher) in 1976 say apply at 408 College.
25 July 1977 The place burned on 25 Jul 1977. The Ithaca Journal article (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88874477/) reported that the building housed Steak Aroma, Hill Drug, and an empty storefront. The photo might trigger memories.
Thank you, David!
standing outside the burning Steak Aroma and yelling "I said RARE"
Quote from: ugartestanding outside the burning Steak Aroma and yelling "I said RARE"
too soon
Not a bar and it hasn't bitten the dust. Purity Ice Cream has changed hands apparently without missing a beat. https://cornellsun.com/2021/11/17/purity-ice-cream-thrives-under-new-ownership/
At some point this will be a dead forum because how many bars remain in Collegetown that can still go under?
Quote from: billhowardAt some point this will be a dead forum because how many bars remain in Collegetown that can still go under?
Hardly any. I was there last month visiting a friend in grad school and all the spots I had in my head (i.e. Ruloff's) were gone. We actually had to go somewhere downtown for a relaxing place that wasn't an undergrad hangout spot. It's really too bad that bars such as Chapter House and the Nines no longer exist
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: billhowardAt some point this will be a dead forum because how many bars remain in Collegetown that can still go under?
Hardly any. I was there last month visiting a friend in grad school and all the spots I had in my head (i.e. Ruloff's) were gone. We actually had to go somewhere downtown for a relaxing place that wasn't an undergrad hangout spot. It's really too bad that bars such as Chapter House and the Nines no longer exist
At some point given retail rents in Ithaca it makes more sense to operate a bar downtown, which is still close enough to a good amount of Cornell undergrads and much closer to grad students, IC students and many locals — along with the folks who stay in downtown hotels.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: billhowardAt some point this will be a dead forum because how many bars remain in Collegetown that can still go under?
Hardly any. I was there last month visiting a friend in grad school and all the spots I had in my head (i.e. Ruloff's) were gone. We actually had to go somewhere downtown for a relaxing place that wasn't an undergrad hangout spot. It's really too bad that bars such as Chapter House and the Nines no longer exist
As an alum who wants to do well by Cornell students and improve student life: How much would you need to spend to keep a good Collegetown bar afloat -- ten grand a month? Even if it's not tax deductible, it's the kind of beloved, grand gesture that'd make you want to redo the lyrics to Davy.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: IcebergQuote from: billhowardAt some point this will be a dead forum because how many bars remain in Collegetown that can still go under?
Hardly any. I was there last month visiting a friend in grad school and all the spots I had in my head (i.e. Ruloff's) were gone. We actually had to go somewhere downtown for a relaxing place that wasn't an undergrad hangout spot. It's really too bad that bars such as Chapter House and the Nines no longer exist
As an alum who wants to do well by Cornell students and improve student life: How much would you need to spend to keep a good Collegetown bar afloat -- ten grand a month? Even if it's not tax deductible, it's the kind of beloved, grand gesture that'd make you want to redo the lyrics to Davy.
You could buy the old Carriage House for $1,095,000. https://commercial.century21.com/listing/305-stewart-avenue-ithaca-ny-14850-REN016750091
Johnny's location is available to rent, but they don't say how much. https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/202-204-Dryden-Rd-Ithaca-NY/23921308/
I see a big sold sign on the Joes corner.. anyone heard whats happening down there?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: David HardingIthaca Ghost Kitchen https://cornellsun.com/2021/03/07/ithaca-ghost-kitchen-a-pandemic-restaurant-done-right/ Across the street from where the Chapter House should be.
Well said, sir.
I see Cornell Giving Day Thursday did not extend to crowdfunding a new Chapter House lease and management.
The photo has nothing to do with the article (https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/city-of-ithaca-asks-for-patience-as-it-processes-property-tax-payments%ef%bf%bc/),but here's a current shot of the replacement buildings.
(https://i0.wp.com/ithacavoice.s3.amazonaws.com/ithacavoice/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Acr990622844082624-22604.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1)
I miss the Chapter House. And the Chariot.
The demise of C-Town and the green space on campus truly sucks. Trantor won.
But I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.
(https://thegreatelm.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ostranderelms.jpg)
There was mass planting of trees in the 1970s -- an Asian species suited to Ithaca's climate? gingko trees? -- but I don't recall there ever being a time when East Avenue, the main road through campus, ever approached having an arched canopy. Meanwhile, Princeton has hundreds of elm trees along one of its roads, the one where some of the rec sports are played.
Does anyone recall if the replacement trees ever took hold, if there was a mass die-off, or if they just weren't able to attain the same heights as the storied elms?
Quote from: TrotskyBut I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed...
Der Schmerz! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KPIKF-TOk)
Quote from: billhowardThere was mass planting of trees in the 1970s -- an Asian species suited to Ithaca's climate? gingko trees? -- but I don't recall there ever being a time when East Avenue, the main road through campus, ever approached having an arched canopy. Meanwhile, Princeton has hundreds of elm trees along one of its roads, the one where some of the rec sports are played.
Does anyone recall if the replacement trees ever took hold, if there was a mass die-off, or if they just weren't able to attain the same heights as the storied elms?
IINM the Aggies have been beavering away for decades trying to design elms that survive whatever the Dutch plague was. I mean, I assume they will eventually figure it out... the same time Day Hall declares no grass or trees will be permitted on campus because they do not have a sufficiently high ROI per mm
2.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyBut I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed...
I wake at night and think I hear remembered chimes.
And mem'ry brings in visions clear Enchanted times.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed,
In springtime suns,
Or touching elbows in a crowd
Of eager ones.
Again, I'm hurrying past the tow'rs
Or with the teams,
Or spending precious idling hours in golden dreams.
(http://tbrw.info/images/champions.jpg)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyBut I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed...
I wake at night and think I hear remembered chimes.
In my Glee Club alum incarnation, I desperately miss singing this particular Cornell song at the Chariot.
But the only golden dreams
I dream of are
ECAC championships.
Quote from: TrotskyI wake at night and think I hear remembered chimes.
And mem'ry brings in visions clear Enchanted times.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed,
In springtime suns,
Or touching elbows in a crowd
Of eager ones.
Again, I'm hurrying past the tow'rs
Or with the teams,
Or spending precious idling hours in golden dreams.
(http://tbrw.info/images/champions.jpg)
Beautiful memories. Thank you.
One of the species that was planted as a potential replacemennt was the Zelcova Serrata
There was a substantial number planted, I distinctly remember a bunch in front of Lincoln on the Arts quad
They unfortunately don't reach the same towering height, and while they do have a similar vase shape that would create the desired 'arch' form over narrower spans, they also didnt handle snow/ice load as well and were known to split badly. While I was on campus in the 90s it seemed like every other one had been 'saved' with cabling
I recall there were several research efforts to find resistant cultivars... but it is a serious endeavor and the time required for research, commercialization and then growth to a mature replacement size tree is multiple decades of effort. There are of course additional emerging disease issues hitting other species now (the Ash tree will be practically non-existent in the NorthEast in the next 5 years).
Quote from: Cornell95One of the species that was planted as a potential replacemennt was the Zelcova Serrata
There was a substantial number planted, I distinctly remember a bunch in front of Lincoln on the Arts quad
They unfortunately don't reach the same towering height, and while they do have a similar vase shape that would create the desired 'arch' form over narrower spans, they also didnt handle snow/ice load as well and were known to split badly. While I was on campus in the 90s it seemed like every other one had been 'saved' with cabling
I recall there were several research efforts to find resistant cultivars... but it is a serious endeavor and the time required for research, commercialization and then growth to a mature replacement size tree is multiple decades of effort. There are of course additional emerging disease issues hitting other species now (the Ash tree will be practically non-existent in the NorthEast in the next 5 years).
I think my solution would be to widen the tree planting verge (whatever you want to call it—by the road) and go with oaks, but then they are a bit randomly shed-dy of branches at inopportune moments. And lots of moving sidewalks, etc. Whatever works. Just no puff-ball dwarfs, dammit!
What's happening to ashes is a tragedy. Lost three huge ones along our neighbor's back fence (southern CT) just this year.
Huh. Hadn't heard (or forgot) about this:
https://cornellsun.com/2022/02/24/ip-yay-ithaca-beer-co-opens-new-collegetown-location/
A quote from an early patron: "Here, I can sit down with my friends and grab a beer and pizza, which is not an experience I really had before."
Didn't have that experience. IN COLLEGETOWN.
Quote from: RichHA quote from an early patron: "Here, I can sit down with my friends and grab a beer and pizza, which is not an experience I really had before."
Didn't have that experience. IN COLLEGETOWN.
Also: "The one thing Collegetown was missing was a sports bar vibe."
Yeah, the one thing that's never missing anywhere is a sports bar "vibe."
Interiors look sterile to me. I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
Quote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
And whatever this is called:
(https://d31sxl6qgne2yj.cloudfront.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20190102110021/Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
And whatever this is called:
(https://d31sxl6qgne2yj.cloudfront.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20190102110021/Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg)
It's called ugly.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
And whatever this is called:
(https://d31sxl6qgne2yj.cloudfront.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20190102110021/Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg)
It's called ugly.
You wouldn't say that if Lana Turner were wiping it down.
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-526892154-1549397236.jpg)
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
And whatever this is called:
(https://d31sxl6qgne2yj.cloudfront.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20190102110021/Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg)
It's called ugly.
Mid-century ugly to be precise.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
That picture Greg linked to was beautiful.
The 70s ski lodge aesthetic will always have my heart.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
And whatever this is called:
(https://d31sxl6qgne2yj.cloudfront.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20190102110021/Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg)
It's called ugly.
You wouldn't say that if Lana Turner were wiping it down.
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-526892154-1549397236.jpg)
I think I'd probably ask, "Who's that beautiful woman wiping down that ugly counter?" ::rolleyes::
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
That picture Greg linked to was beautiful.
The 70s ski lodge aesthetic will always have my heart.
The brick makes it more urban than ski lodge. Needs more wood. And more cowbell.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: RichHQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.
It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde (https://live.staticflickr.com/3086/3162481191_ae84b855b4_b.jpg)."
Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.
cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.
Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.
That picture Greg linked to was beautiful.
The 70s ski lodge aesthetic will always have my heart.
The brick makes it more urban than ski lodge. Needs more wood. And more cowbell.
The brick is because it's built, in my imagination, against the slope, and the reverse shot would be all windows and mountains.
I don't think of Naugahyde as apres ski.
(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-5/1970s-3-couples-inside-ski-lodge-vintage-images.jpg)
Hmmph. Hardly any recent posts on Collegetown bars closing.
Quote from: billhowardHmmph. Hardly any recent posts on Collegetown bars closing.
Do any remain?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardHmmph. Hardly any recent posts on Collegetown bars closing.
Do any remain?
Very, very scant compared to even when I was an underclassman ten years ago and bars were starting to close (i.e. The Palms). I was up there a few months ago and the only ones that were operational before I graduated are Level B and Loco, with the latter opening while I was still a student. Hideaway has been in the former Dunbars spot for quite a few years now and Ithaca Beer Company recently opened up a location in Collegetown. It's funny because when I was a student I thought it couldn't get any worse in Collegetown
Quote from: Iceberg... when I was a student I thought it couldn't get any worse in Collegetown
As the number of bars goes down, rental rates go up. I was leafing through Collegetown rental sites, they seemed outrageous. But then I see Cornell dorms are $9,000-$12,000 for the year.
Yet, Moosewood (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/t-magazine/moosewood-restaurant-ithaca.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) survives! NY Times article.
A new food truck in Collegetown. Roman-style vegetarian pizza made by a native. https://ithacavoice.com/2022/10/adelinas-brings-mobile-roman-style-pizza-to-collegetown/
Quote from: David HardingA new food truck in Collegetown. Roman-style vegetarian pizza made by a native. https://ithacavoice.com/2022/10/adelinas-brings-mobile-roman-style-pizza-to-collegetown/
Adelina's, the new food truck David mentions, is parked in front of The Nines when I walked by Sunday morning. College Avenue feels as if a third of the buildings on the far (downhill) side of Dryden Road are being turned to rubble and then taller apartment buildings replace them.
Thanks for the photo.
You're certainly right about the downhill side being redeveloped. https://ithacavoice.com/2021/09/plans-submitted-for-catherine-commons-collegetown-development/ This article is from a year ago, but it's the best overview rendering I've seen. There is more work to the south (left) in another project.
My take from the last common council meeting is that there will never be a comeback for Joes now thats is planned to be knocked down for yet another set of appts.. I miss the Italian places around town from 20 or so years ago. Joes, Napolis, The Coddington, Lucatellis etc.. Is there any good Italian in town any more?
Quote from: upprdeckMy take from the last common council meeting is that there will never be a comeback for Joes now thats is planned to be knocked down for yet another set of appts.. I miss the Italian places around town from 20 or so years ago. Joes, Napolis, The Coddington, Lucatellis etc.. Is there any good Italian in town any more?
Gola is your best best, IMO. Close to campus too
Joe's the last – five, ten (twenty?) – years ago didn't seem quite like the Joe's of ... cripe, well that was forty, fifty years ago when we first ate there. Our tastes in Italian dining have changed.
An undergraduate laments the lost Collegetown bar scene. https://cornellsun.com/2022/11/03/kempff-we-need-more-college-bars/
QuoteCollegetown feels filled by the ghosts of the bars that once were there.
The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.
Hey the Burger king closed up at East Hill.. Down to 1 wendys in town, no BKs, no Pizza huts, no Friendlies, only 2 Mac Ds, lost the subway at East hill but still about 4-5 of those left. At least the KFC came back after about 20 yrs
Quote from: upprdeckHey the Burger king closed up at East Hill.. Down to 1 wendys in town, no BKs, no Pizza huts, no Friendlies, only 2 Mac Ds, lost the subway at East hill but still about 4-5 of those left. At least the KFC came back after about 20 yrs
We should mourn its passing by going for a drink. But where?
Ithaca is also about middle-class townspeople (or stoned students late at night) who want something comforting and with a special sauce.
Quote from: The RancorThe drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.
Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...
It's relocating over across the street neat the Dunkin Doughnut building. The Mirabato gas station is also moving across the street.
Do you mean the BK is moving?
Thats a strange thing to do and also be closed for a yr while they build.
Quote from: The RancorThe drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.
For women. For men, raise it to 35.
Quote from: IcebergQuote from: The RancorThe drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.
Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...
If you want to eliminate the mystique simply eliminate the drinking age. There is significantly less binge drinking in (most of) Europe. One reason is drinking isn't considered a fetish of adulthood the way it is by teens here.
(cf. fucking)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: The RancorThe drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.
Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...
If you want to eliminate the mystique simply eliminate the drinking age. There is significantly less binge drinking in (most of) Europe. One reason is drinking isn't considered a fetish of adulthood the way it is by teens here.
(cf. fucking)
i don't have a strong opinion about this but binge drinking may be lower but alcoholism is higher iirc
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: IcebergQuote from: The RancorThe drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.
Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...
If you want to eliminate the mystique simply eliminate the drinking age. There is significantly less binge drinking in (most of) Europe. One reason is drinking isn't considered a fetish of adulthood the way it is by teens here.
(cf. fucking)
i don't have a strong opinion about this but binge drinking may be lower but alcoholism is higher iirc
According to this (https://www.abbeycarefoundation.com/alcohol/alcoholism-by-country-statistics/), there appear to be four big classes for Male Stupidity:
I. 10%+ Frozen Dystopic Hell. Examples: Russia, Hungary, Belarus, the Baltic Republics.
II. 7.5-10% The Idiocy of the Countryside: Slovakia (REPRESENT!), Norway, Ukraine. Surprised the Poles aren't here.
III. 5.0% - 7.5% European Amerika: UK, Finland, Sweden,
US, Romania, Netherlands (that surprises me), Bosnia. Surprised the Czechs aren't here.
IV. below 5.0% Sanity: everybody else, including Germany, France, Italy, Spain. My god, even the Irish and the Poles. Tsk, tsk, pick it up, guys.
This suggests to me that both binge drinking and alcoholism are lower in those countries where attaining the drinking age is not a rite of passage. I would suggest the high rates of alcoholism in the main European offenders come from living in a place where you are envious of North Country weather and Mississippi governance.
And another franchise, Moe's Southwest Grill down on Meadow St is gone. https://ithacavoice.com/2022/12/moes-southwest-grill-location-closes-in-ithaca/
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceThe Ithaca location of Moe's Southwest Grill, a popular burrito spot, has closed, leaving Tompkins County lacking a nearby option for gigantic burritos with cuttingly accurate names like "the Homewrecker."
Quote from: David HardingAnd another franchise, Moe's Southwest Grill down on Meadow St is gone. https://ithacavoice.com/2022/12/moes-southwest-grill-location-closes-in-ithaca/
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceThe Ithaca location of Moe's Southwest Grill, a popular burrito spot, has closed, leaving Tompkins County lacking a nearby option for gigantic burritos with cuttingly accurate names like "the Homewrecker."
Sub headline: Collective A1C in Ithaca About to Drop.
it was always a tougher spot than say Chipotle. Hasnt been all that busy down there in a while..
Reminds me had a chicago friend send some deep dish from Lou Malnatis for xmas..
for a frozen pizza gift not too bad, but why is no one in town doing a deep dish any more with Ninos gone?
Don't visit Ithaca during intersession! We're here because my dog is having CCL (similar to the ACL in people) surgery at Cornell. Boatyard Grill closed, Moosewood closed, Simeon's closed, Agava closed . . . Willard Straight? We'll find out soon.
BTW, we're staying at Best Western, as are the women's hockey and other CU teams, because the dorms are closed. LGR, but please be quiet at night!
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Now you've tipped off the stalkers.
The whole team, or the ones not living off campus?
Quote from: billhowardThe whole team, or the ones not living off campus?
Don't know. Not wanting to appear like a lecherous old man, I merely asked if they were getting ready to leave for an away game, and a player told me they were playing at home this weekend and staying at the BW over intersession. There were about a dozen at breakfast.
The men's swimming and diving team was there also and several were celebrating a birthday in the room next to ours at 11! They quieted down and stayed quiet after this octogenarian went to their door. My dog barked at 7:30 this morning and probably woke them. Turnaround is fair play.
Quote from: George64They quieted down and stayed quiet after this octogenarian went to their door. My dog barked at 7:30 this morning and probably woke them. Turnaround is fair play.
Please tell me you had all the buttons buttoned on your jammies when you went to their door. Sometimes those who need several nighttime trips to the bathroom forget.
We are fortunate to have a pair of classmates who've repatriated to Ithaca, and who have houses with spare bedrooms. That is so very nice. That last time we paid for lodgings in Ithaca was reunion, because we still enjoy the dorm experience. For a weekend.
I suppose because of rule that those students can't stay in the dorms, because I imagine the administration will need to have RA's present and then pay for maintenance staff labor. I always thought there were a few students allowed to stay over the winter break but I guess not
Dorms are closed over break. Most of the displaced athletes are freshmen. Sometimes they bunk with upperclassmen/women in off campus housing but if that is not an option, they are put up in hotels. I used to decamp to Florida over intercession and for a number of years, freshmen hockey players took over my house. Sometimes men, sometimes women. It was always in pretty good shape when I got home.
Quote from: George64Don't visit Ithaca during intersession! We're here because my dog is having CCL (similar to the ACL in people) surgery at Cornell. Boatyard Grill closed, Moosewood closed, Simeon's closed, Agava closed . . . Willard Straight? We'll find out soon.
I finally resorted to a Google search for Ithaca restaurants that were open and found
Gola Osteria. It's very good, but good luck finding it. It's located within the new apartment complex on South Quarry Street in the old Ithaca City Hospital. As uninviting as that sounds, it's worth the effort.
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This is Lego blocks meets 1950s delta-wing fighter. Or Iran's latest drone, 3D printed, what you see is draft mode.
Quote from: IcebergI suppose because of rule that those students can't stay in the dorms, because I imagine the administration will need to have RA's present and then pay for maintenance staff labor. I always thought there were a few students allowed to stay over the winter break but I guess not
The U has always had a plan because of international students who can't afford to fly home and, or your GF/BF invites to spend the holidays at the other's home in the U.S., or there was a fall-semester regime change and you don't want to be conscripted. You don't see Andreev getting on airplanes he doesn't need to.
losing the Regal is gonna be tough. The lease charges are probably killing the location given the current market for movies. But also that site has had some crazy ideas on what movies to bring in and show times lately. Still they dont have more than a handful of employees on a normal day. Is it really a function of the current method of most of the money going out the door for the first few weeks when demand is the highest.
A big city to not have a place to see the bigger movies this summer locally.
Quote from: upprdecklosing the Regal is gonna be tough. The lease charges are probably killing the location given the current market for movies. But also that site has had some crazy ideas on what movies to bring in and show times lately. Still they dont have more than a handful of employees on a normal day. Is it really a function of the current method of most of the money going out the door for the first few weeks when demand is the highest.
A big city to not have a place to see the bigger movies this summer locally.
Honestly I am devastated. Was expecting it, but I am still devastated.
I've had the unlimited pass for a while so have gone to the regal multiple times a week for years.
Luckily we still have cinemapolis but I still need my Marvel/other blockbusters fix without having to drive 45 minutes or take a 3 hr bus ride! hopefully an AMC comes and fills the void soon
Auburn/cortland have these movies so the little people can do it.. the issue is we now have a turnkey solution but you know the mall lease would kill any hopes of someone taking it over and building from scratch would take a long time.
i have the pass and adding it up the last yr I am still ahead even with the lack of movies i wanted to see and not in town nearly as much anymore. might as well shut it off, I wont be in Destiny enough to use it there.
Is the Regal closing nationwide or just cutting back a lot of locations? The announcement that the Union Square Regal was closing was a huge shock.
Quote from: ugarteIs the Regal closing nationwide or just cutting back a lot of locations? The announcement that the Union Square Regal was closing was a huge shock.
39 locations (https://t.co/w0o1JYabQn) closed (some more of them closed in september of 2022). Parent company (Cineworld) filed for bankruptcy and are going to close regals slowly to save money and try and keep some open longer.
apparently according to AMC CEO on twitter yesterday: "Of their 546 U.S. theatres, the bankruptcy judge was just told they [Regal] now intend to walk away/close fully 108!"
Anyone know what the new place that is going in down in the small area near to the Sherwin williams store is going to be?
Looks like some kind of Asian type thing?
Quote from: upprdeckDo you mean the BK is moving?
Thats a strange thing to do and also be closed for a yr while they build.
Article on the planned new Mirabito - Burger King combo. https://ithacavoice.org/2023/02/mirabito-plans-new-larger-space-at-east-hill-plaza/
The Joe's building is still there (Feb. 2023). No restaurant. Appears to be a pasta takeout place now or soon.
I spoke with a couple friends about Joe's. One had fond memories of it from undergraduate days and fairly fond memories of Joe's in its teens (i.e. 2010s) reincarnation. Others thought it was good when we were undergrad because we didn't have much experience in international fare, so-so after graduation, and mostly running on memories when visited a couple times ten years ago. I am trying to provide some historical continuity of Ithaca / Collegetown dining from my era, realize most people here couldn't care less about food 40-50 years ago, just as I didn't really think much about what food was like in the, say, 1930s.
Drove though Collegetown Construction zone. Backhoes, torn-up streets, gaping holes with the beginning of more big apartment buildings. I don't believe there are any bars left on College Avenue, that is more bar than dining, hard liquor as well as beer. Is this what's left early 2023?
Liquor:
Hideaway (409 Eddy Street, former Dunbars)
Level B (410 Eddy Street)
Loco (308 Stewart Avenue)
Beer:
Ithaca Beer Co. (old Collegetown Bagels)
Plans are to tear down joes and make it into more Appts. Just needs approval if its not a done deal already.
Quote from: billhowardDrove though Collegetown Construction zone. Backhoes, torn-up streets, gaping holes with the beginning of more big apartment buildings. I don't believe there are any bars left on College Avenue, that is more bar than dining, hard liquor as well as beer. Is this what's left early 2023?
Liquor:
Hideaway (409 Eddy Street, former Dunbars)
Level B (410 Eddy Street)
Loco (308 Stewart Avenue)
Beer:
Ithaca Beer Co. (old Collegetown Bagels)
I believe there's a small bar at the entrance of the new location of Collegetown Bagels in Sheldon Court. Seemed to me like a cozy spot for a happy hour beer after the lunch rush dies down.
Thanks. I heard that (Joe's --> housing / apartments) but nothing's happening. Lot of apartments going up downtown in the vicinity west of North Meadow Street, (i.e. the street Purity, Ithaca Bakery and Joe's are on). The area along the Cascadilla inlet marina (Farmers' Market is across that inlet) has a lot of housing going up already, mixed use, also medical buildings and some office space.
Quote from: billhowardThanks. I heard that (Joe's --> housing / apartments) but nothing's happening. Lot of apartments going up downtown in the vicinity west of North Meadow Street, (i.e. the street Purity, Ithaca Bakery and Joe's are on). The area along the Cascadilla inlet marina (Farmers' Market is across that inlet) has a lot of housing going up already, mixed use, also medical buildings and some office space.
The apartment project where Joe's has been is moving along at a typical pace. See the heading "The Citizen" in this recent report on an Ithaca Planning Board meeting. https://ithacavoice.org/2023/02/planning-board-recap-collegetown-housing-with-bza-forced-redo-gains-approval/ Look for other articles by Brian Crandall for news on developments around town.
Although changes in Collegetown have a huge impact on students and their housing choices, the Cornell Sun has not had quite as much coverage of late as the Ithaca Voice has.
It's literally horrible how collegetown is now. I drove thru on a recon mission after getting accepted, but if it was then how it is now, it'd have been a much tougher decision. The juniors/seniors are missing out on so much of the college experience.
Quote from: toddloseIt's literally horrible how collegetown is now. I drove thru on a recon mission after getting accepted, but if it was then how it is now, it'd have been a much tougher decision. The juniors/seniors are missing out on so much of the college experience.
Things are weird everywhere. I'm up near Potsdam right now (wife's sabbatical), and I hardly ever see Clarkson or Potsdam students off-campus. Potsdam has tons of vacant storefronts, the local diner closes at 1PM, students don't go to hockey games, and the bar/pub choices leave much to be desired. This in a town of 14,000 that welcomes 8,000 students each school year. Where are they?
We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction. I have started to come around to the thought that we graduates of the 90s were benefitting from the social largesse of the pre-21 drinking age regulatory environment, i.e., we were experiencing the end of something as social "establishments," of whatever sort, continued to soldier on pretty much on autopilot. Except as anything but a spartan bedroom for a school where social life continues on diminished and behind closed doors, Collegetown has ceased to exist as it once was.
Any wonder why the kids are full of anxieties? Any wonder why more-than-every-once-in-a-while we end up reading some sordid, tragic tale emanating from the hidden culture of what counts for socializing these days? Things are weird.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: toddloseIt's literally horrible how collegetown is now. I drove thru on a recon mission after getting accepted, but if it was then how it is now, it'd have been a much tougher decision. The juniors/seniors are missing out on so much of the college experience.
Things are weird everywhere. I'm up near Potsdam right now (wife's sabbatical), and I hardly ever see Clarkson or Potsdam students off-campus. Potsdam has tons of vacant storefronts, the local diner closes at 1PM, students don't go to hockey games, and the bar/pub choices leave much to be desired. This in a town of 14,000 that welcomes 8,000 students each school year. Where are they?
We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction. I have started to come around to the thought that we graduates of the 90s were benefitting from the social largesse of the pre-21 drinking age regulatory environment, i.e., we were experiencing the end of something as social "establishments," of whatever sort, continued to soldier on pretty much on autopilot. Except as anything but a spartan bedroom for a school where social life continues on diminished and behind closed doors, Collegetown has ceased to exist as it once was.
Any wonder why the kids are full of anxieties? Any wonder why more-than-every-once-in-a-while we end up reading some sordid, tragic tale emanating from the hidden culture of what counts for socializing these days? Things are weird.
My son is a junior at Colgate, and I see a lot of what you describe going on up there. I paid him a visit this past weekend and we attended both a basketball and hockey game. Student attendance for hoops wasn't bad, which should be expected for a first place team. But there were relatively few students at their beautiful rink to see two decent teams play. But beyond the athletic events, the students (my son included) spend too much time isolated in their rooms glued to their video game consoles. It's a sea change from how college life was experienced "back in my day," and I feel badly for this "COVID generation" as some are now calling them.
Quote from: Scersk '97We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.
I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.
Horniness finds a way.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.
I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.
Horniness finds a way.
I just don't know anymore, considering the falling birthrates worldwide, the growth of "online gamer culture," etc. Yet, I'm not sure this social indolence poses a threat to Society.
I'm not in a moral panic; I more just pity them. Whether through a collective defect brought on by changing technologies or a lack of opportunities brought on by general societal collapse, I don't think they are having it as good as we did.
EDIT: And I forgot to mention, I think there are multiple societal forces that are perfectly happy with this glut in the supply of docile consumers. That's actually what worries me, because an economic feedback loop is forming.
Dr. Ruth could not have put it better. And you did it in fewer words. #threaddriftwecanuse
With all the Title IX stuff out there you pretty much need a signed affidavit saying that intercourse in consensual. The hookup scene on campus has dramatically changed over the last 10+ years
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.
I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.
Horniness finds a way.
Search for stories/articles about porn addiction. I'm glad this crap wasn't so pervasive when I was a horny 20 something. I might have been a dope and never found the real thing.
I can't imagine a world without my grandchildren
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.
I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.
Horniness finds a way.
Search for stories/articles about porn addiction. I'm glad this crap wasn't so pervasive when I was a horny 20 something. I might have been a dope and never found the real thing.
I can't imagine a world without my grandchildren
Right, but in this timeline somebody else missed out, and maybe theirs would've been bett-- kidding, KIDDING!
Quote from: Cop at LynahWith all the Title IX stuff out there you pretty much need a signed affidavit saying that intercourse in consensual.
If there is a Non Sequitur Pulitzer, I have a nominee.
Quote from: Scersk '97I'm not in a moral panic; I more just pity them. Whether through a collective defect brought on by changing technologies or a lack of opportunities brought on by general societal collapse, I don't think they are having it as good as we did.
Maybe living in a world of falling birthrates, with women who are more cognizant of their sexuality and their right to say no, IS having it better.
The only people I think have it "worse now" are the troglodytic rageaholics who poutrage their way through the geriatric pharmaceutical ads of Hate Radio. Frankly, the more unhappy and anxious those cultural de sacs are, the better for humanity as a whole.
I love the Gen Zers -- they might actually be first psychologically healthy Americans in history. "What a difference in this generation!"
Quote from: TrotskyI love the Gen Zers -- they might actually be first psychologically healthy Americans in history. "What a difference in this generation!"
We must know different Gen Zers. From what I've seen they're more unhappy than the Millennials and more bottled up about it.
When I was in college, I moved in circles without a lot of drinking, so bars weren't a big part of the scene, but there was a lot of late-night socializing over Hot Truck, which is also no more. And the gaming culture was mostly table-top, in person, then.
Quote from: jtwcornell91When I was in college, I moved in circles without a lot of drinking, so bars weren't a big part of the scene, but there was a lot of late-night socializing over Hot Truck, which is also no more. And the gaming culture was mostly table-top, in person, then.
Hot Truck was the great equalizer. All circles gathered in the same place to achieve the same goal. Nobody was above the others, be it 7pm or 3:30am. Discussions of any topic were welcome. Fights were rare, respect was not. And Bob's cabin was available as a warming hut.
For a time, SS kept things as they were. The first downturn was when you could call in orders, essentially avoiding payment the dues of the wait. Everything else was a slow descent to the ghost we have now.
I just had the following absolutely sincere thought, and it depresses me beyond words.
Good Self: "Self, if we wind up going against Clarkson in the QF, this is just like Colgate last year. You should consider going to the QF for the first time in 20 years to root the boys on, they need your help."
Bad Self: (whining) "Yeah, but traveling sucks..."
Good Self: "Traveling sucks? Fuck you, you've driven through white out blizzards in the North Country to watch a Tuesday night elimination, then gotten back in the car the following Friday and done it again. 'Traveling sucks.' Fuck you, man."
Bad Self: "OK, OK. But there is absolutely no reason to go to Ithaca, and nothing fun left to do there, and the campus has become an overcrowded STEMMY hellscape, and even CTown sucks."
Good Self: (long pause) "I got nothin'."
Quarterfinals weekend also has a good Penn State lacrosse team playing at Schoellkopf at noon Saturday.
There is a proposal (https://ithacavoice.org/2023/08/distillery-beer-garden-pitched-for-west-end/) for a new bar on the city's west end that would reuse Rulloff's furnishings.
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceJohn said he purchased the bar fixtures from longtime Collegetown staple Rulloff's, and is "going to try and reconstruct that bar in the space."
Taber Street is not a Collegetown location, but might attract alumni.
Quote from: upprdeckPlans are to tear down joes and make it into more Appts. Just needs approval if its not a done deal already.
Gone
https://www.14850.com/081032825-joes-demolition/
anyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?
Quote from: upprdeckanyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?
Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckanyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?
Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.
Yeah, there are plenty of businesses that have been in there forever -- CTB, the liquor store, Gene's Barbershop, and then even a newer place like Ithaca Coffee has been there for a long time now.
Quote from: WederQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckanyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?
Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.
Yeah, there are plenty of businesses that have been in there forever -- CTB, the liquor store, Gene's Barbershop, and then even a newer place like Ithaca Coffee has been there for a long time now.
But not The Country Couple.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: WederQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckanyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?
Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.
Yeah, there are plenty of businesses that have been in there forever -- CTB, the liquor store, Gene's Barbershop, and then even a newer place like Ithaca Coffee has been there for a long time now.
But not The Country Couple.
Oh man that brings back memories.
Quote from: David HardingThere is a proposal (https://ithacavoice.org/2023/08/distillery-beer-garden-pitched-for-west-end/) for a new bar on the city's west end that would reuse Rulloff's furnishings.
Quote from: Ithaca VoiceJohn said he purchased the bar fixtures from longtime Collegetown staple Rulloff's, and is "going to try and reconstruct that bar in the space."
Taber Street is not a Collegetown location, but might attract alumni.
I'm glad someone saved that bar. I worked behind it for 6 years, and can't wait to sit in front of it again someday.
New Collegetown bar doesn't plan to be a dive.
https://cornellsun.com/2023/11/20/new-underground-bar-tres-leches-spices-up-collegetowns-nightlife-scene/
Quoteyou could take a community like Collegetown and bring it to the next generation by executing a bar-restaurant to a high level
I weep for the future.
Kilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. https://www.14850.com/121934712-kilpatricks-closing-ithaca/ https://ithacavoice.org/2023/12/kilpatricks-finger-lakes-beverage-center-redemption-center-closing-doors/
Quote from: David HardingKilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. https://www.14850.com/121934712-kilpatricks-closing-ithaca/ https://ithacavoice.org/2023/12/kilpatricks-finger-lakes-beverage-center-redemption-center-closing-doors/
Not the Finger lakes Beverage Center too!! That's a loss I'll feel. That was a great shop.
Lots of things at the bev center that were hard to find other places.
But in talking to them about some things the reg dist. was making life hard.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: David HardingKilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. https://www.14850.com/121934712-kilpatricks-closing-ithaca/ https://ithacavoice.org/2023/12/kilpatricks-finger-lakes-beverage-center-redemption-center-closing-doors/
Not the Finger lakes Beverage Center too!! That's a loss I'll feel. That was a great shop.
Was that the "buy it by the pallet" place down on 13? That place was a menace to my health. Where am I going to buy rehoboams of mead now?
Sophisticated in Collegetown? Another new try. https://ithacavoice.org/2024/01/the-embassy-opening-this-weekend-in-longtime-aladdins-location-in-collegetown/
That has to be a brothel.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: David HardingKilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. https://www.14850.com/121934712-kilpatricks-closing-ithaca/ https://ithacavoice.org/2023/12/kilpatricks-finger-lakes-beverage-center-redemption-center-closing-doors/
Not the Finger lakes Beverage Center too!! That's a loss I'll feel. That was a great shop.
Ugh. I stopped in there every summer. The selection was so much better than wegmans or p&c. That sucks.
Quote from: pfibigerQuote from: RichHQuote from: David HardingKilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. https://www.14850.com/121934712-kilpatricks-closing-ithaca/ https://ithacavoice.org/2023/12/kilpatricks-finger-lakes-beverage-center-redemption-center-closing-doors/
Not the Finger lakes Beverage Center too!! That's a loss I'll feel. That was a great shop.
Ugh. I stopped in there every summer. The selection was so much better than wegmans or p&c. That sucks.
Ithaca Coffee Company in Triphammer Mall has a pretty strong beer selection (https://www.ithacacoffee.com/pages/taplist), though obviously a much smaller space than Finger Lakes.
Quote from: David HardingSophisticated in Collegetown? Another new try. https://ithacavoice.org/2024/01/the-embassy-opening-this-weekend-in-longtime-aladdins-location-in-collegetown/
Looking at the Menu I dont see myself having a reason to every go there.
Not Collegetown and just for sale, but one could be concerned about the fate of Chanticleer. https://www.14850.com/012535219-chanticleer-sale-2401/
Quote from: David HardingNot Collegetown and just for sale, but one could be concerned about the fate of Chanticleer. https://www.14850.com/012535219-chanticleer-sale-2401/
They say that there are no plans to close the bar, and I'm happy to hear it, because losing the Chanticleer would be a stake in my heart. It's one of the last remnants of "old Ithaca" revelry.
With Johnny's, the Palms, the one I can't even mention without getting very, very sad, and others gone, there's so little left. It's like the Chanticleer and the Creeker and that's it.
Quote from: Scersk '97With Johnny's, the Palms, the one I can't even mention without getting very, very sad, and others gone, there's so little left. It's like the Chanticleer and the Creeker and that's it.
Where is historic preservation when you need it?
I'd rather the Palms still be around than, say, the snail darter. Which actually is still around although a Tennessee dam that threatened them was built.
Let's posit that dive bars were authentic in the 40s-60s and nostalgic in the 70s-90s, with dive bars themselves being a bar food echo of road houses (00s-20s / 30s-50s).
If that's true, that seems like a natural lifespan, and from the 00s on it dies off to be replaced by something else.
Oswald Spengler should have written more about bars.
Something else replaced these, as culture never sleeps. I don't know if that's the club scene (evolved from discos) or what -- I have the Critical Old.
The Collegetown bar scene came under siege of the ABC board in the late 90's and continued through the early 2000's At that time Avarmis owned the most frequented bars in college town and his establishments were targeted for enforcement on many occasions by the ABC Board. I was part of those enforcement activities and the fines that the ABC Board doled out made it almost impossible for Avarmis to keep the bars open. The older established operations such as Jhonney O's, Dunbars, Psalms and Chapter House were less targeted because (in my mind) their owners actually cared about the laws and were deterred by the possibility of sanctions if caught serving under age patrons. After several years it appeared the business model for Collegetown establishments weren't worth the liability and financial risk
Quote from: Cop at LynahThe Collegetown bar scene came under siege of the ABC board in the late 90's and continued through the early 2000's At that time Avarmis owned the most frequented bars in college town and his establishments were targeted for enforcement on many occasions by the ABC Board. I was part of those enforcement activities and the fines that the ABC Board doled out made it almost impossible for Avarmis to keep the bars open. The older established operations such as Jhonney O's, Dunbars, Psalms and Chapter House were less targeted because (in my mind) their owners actually cared about the laws and were deterred by the possibility of sanctions if caught serving under age patrons. After several years it appeared the business model for Collegetown establishments weren't worth the liability and financial risk
That ain't the Dunbars I remember but my housemates took me to the Palms the night I was going to turn 21 and the bouncers made me wait until after midnight.
Quote from: TrotskyLet's posit that dive bars were authentic in the 40s-60s and nostalgic in the 70s-90s, with dive bars themselves being a bar food echo of road houses (00s-20s / 30s-50s). ...
Dive bar" may take on a different name so students / young adults / slackers have something their own. Still: There has to be a bar type for people down on their money and bar owners cutting corners on upkeep, bathroom cleaning, lighting, and the food. (Pickled eggs are a food.) Add a couple shady characters and you have the dive bar again. Even debutantes will stop in a couple times to see how the others live and maybe they spy a hunk who appears to have showered.
Quote from: billhowardThere has to be a bar type for people down on their money and bar owners cutting corners on upkeep, bathroom cleaning, lighting, and the food. (Pickled eggs are a food.) Add a couple shady characters and you have the dive bar again. Even debutantes will stop in a couple times to see how the others live and maybe they spy a hunk who appears to have showered.
Oh, definitely. But those places are in poor neighborhoods, not well-scrubbed collegetowns. And they're real, they're not Slumming Adventureland. So they aren't dive bars, they're real bars with real people. Albany has a dozen of them, and no college student -- possibly no college graduate -- has ever been in one. The people there are not there because Let's Go To A Dive Bar (giggle). They're there because late stage capitalism is soul destroying and getting drunk is cheaper than a streaming service.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Cop at LynahThe Collegetown bar scene came under siege of the ABC board in the late 90's and continued through the early 2000's At that time Avarmis owned the most frequented bars in college town and his establishments were targeted for enforcement on many occasions by the ABC Board. I was part of those enforcement activities and the fines that the ABC Board doled out made it almost impossible for Avarmis to keep the bars open. The older established operations such as Jhonney O's, Dunbars, Psalms and Chapter House were less targeted because (in my mind) their owners actually cared about the laws and were deterred by the possibility of sanctions if caught serving under age patrons. After several years it appeared the business model for Collegetown establishments weren't worth the liability and financial risk
That ain't the Dunbars I remember but my housemates took me to the Palms the night I was going to turn 21 and the bouncers made me wait until after midnight.
Ruloff's refused to serve me twoi days before my 18th birthday. I went back two days later, had a beer and never went back again.
FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
Back when we had a more rational drinking age, I suspect a great many bars were much more thorough in checking IDs. Separating the high-school crowd from the college crowd makes sense; separating the college crowd from itself never really has.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Cop at LynahThe Collegetown bar scene came under siege of the ABC board in the late 90's and continued through the early 2000's At that time Avarmis owned the most frequented bars in college town and his establishments were targeted for enforcement on many occasions by the ABC Board. I was part of those enforcement activities and the fines that the ABC Board doled out made it almost impossible for Avarmis to keep the bars open. The older established operations such as Jhonney O's, Dunbars, Psalms and Chapter House were less targeted because (in my mind) their owners actually cared about the laws and were deterred by the possibility of sanctions if caught serving under age patrons. After several years it appeared the business model for Collegetown establishments weren't worth the liability and financial risk
That ain't the Dunbars I remember but my housemates took me to the Palms the night I was going to turn 21 and the bouncers made me wait until after midnight.
Ruloff's refused to serve me twoi days before my 18th birthday. I went back two days later, had a beer and never went back again.
FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
were you that upset about them enforcing a rule. Did you go complain when a grocery store wouldnt let you buy beer? or when the DMV made you wait until your birthday to get your permit?
I can't recall all the details about bars and door people but ~10 years ago, Level B was always the place that people who were underaged would avoid from what I personally saw and heard. Dunbar's was in the middle I would say with a certain other place that no longer exists being perhaps the most lenient.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
Back when we had a more rational drinking age, I suspect a great many bars were much more thorough in checking IDs. Separating the high-school crowd from the college crowd makes sense; separating the college crowd from itself never really has.
This is true in theory, but back when it was 18 they followed the Categorical Imperative: card men, let women pass. One of my undergrad friend's little sisters used to drink with us at Chariot at 15, and she looked young for 15. Also used to go topless at SCA events at Risley. It was a
very different time.
She's a minister now, LOL.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Cop at LynahThe Collegetown bar scene came under siege of the ABC board in the late 90's and continued through the early 2000's At that time Avarmis owned the most frequented bars in college town and his establishments were targeted for enforcement on many occasions by the ABC Board. I was part of those enforcement activities and the fines that the ABC Board doled out made it almost impossible for Avarmis to keep the bars open. The older established operations such as Jhonney O's, Dunbars, Psalms and Chapter House were less targeted because (in my mind) their owners actually cared about the laws and were deterred by the possibility of sanctions if caught serving under age patrons. After several years it appeared the business model for Collegetown establishments weren't worth the liability and financial risk
That ain't the Dunbars I remember but my housemates took me to the Palms the night I was going to turn 21 and the bouncers made me wait until after midnight.
Ruloff's refused to serve me twoi days before my 18th birthday. I went back two days later, had a beer and never went back again.
FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
When I was 19 and very semitically babyfaced, my roommate gave me a driver's license that he found in the back of a cab that told the Dunbar's bartender that I was ashy blonde, 27 and 6'5".
Quote from: ugarteWhen I was 19 and very semitically babyfaced, my roommate gave me a driver's license that he found in the back of a cab that told the Dunbar's bartender that I was ashy blonde, 27 and 6'5".
McLovin is 42 (https://www.change.org/p/the-white-house-create-mclovin-s-street).
Quote from: Cop at LynahThe Collegetown bar scene came under siege of the ABC board in the late 90's and continued through the early 2000's At that time Avarmis owned the most frequented bars in college town and his establishments were targeted for enforcement on many occasions by the ABC Board. I was part of those enforcement activities and the fines that the ABC Board doled out made it almost impossible for Avarmis to keep the bars open. The older established operations such as Jhonney O's, Dunbars, Psalms and Chapter House were less targeted because (in my mind) their owners actually cared about the laws and were deterred by the possibility of sanctions if caught serving under age patrons. After several years it appeared the business model for Collegetown establishments weren't worth the liability and financial risk
One time in my 30s I was nearly clotheslined by the bouncer at the Chapter House because it didn't occur to me that I would need to show my ID while strolling in the front door.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: billhowardThere has to be a bar type for people down on their money and bar owners cutting corners on upkeep, bathroom cleaning, lighting, and the food. (Pickled eggs are a food.) Add a couple shady characters and you have the dive bar again. Even debutantes will stop in a couple times to see how the others live and maybe they spy a hunk who appears to have showered.
Oh, definitely. But those places are in poor neighborhoods, not well-scrubbed collegetowns. And they're real, they're not Slumming Adventureland. So they aren't dive bars, they're real bars with real people. Albany has a dozen of them, and no college student -- possibly no college graduate -- has ever been in one. The people there are not there because Let's Go To A Dive Bar (giggle). They're there because late stage capitalism is soul destroying and getting drunk is cheaper than a streaming service.
We had one of those about a block from my apartment in New Orleans, but I was always to chicken to go in. But now they have a website, so they're probably not a real dive bar either: https://snakeandjakes.com/
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
Back when we had a more rational drinking age, I suspect a great many bars were much more thorough in checking IDs. Separating the high-school crowd from the college crowd makes sense; separating the college crowd from itself never really has.
This is true in theory, but back when it was 18 they followed the Categorical Imperative: card men, let women pass. One of my undergrad friend's little sisters used to drink with us at Chariot at 15, and she looked young for 15. Also used to go topless at SCA events at Risley. It was a very different time.
She's a minister now, LOL.
a) When NJ Wall Streeter Jon Corzine ran for governor, he was asked what he thought about the drinking age being raised to 21? Corzine said: It was? then recovered and thoughtfully said, Well, if you can get your ass shot off in Afghanistan Iraq Vietnam you name, you ought to be able to have a drink. ... this commonsense comment get him in hot water and a day later he said he had been miscontrued, which he had not.
b) Historically, good looking women got an age allowance on admission, and big city bars with velvet ropes and bouncers would let good women pass the line ahead of others, sometimes also raising the F/M ratio to 55/45 or so, making men more desirous of getting in.
c) which church is this? are they looking for members?
For history's sake, New York's drinking age:
<1896, 16
1896-1920, 18 until Prohibition in 1920
1933: 2118, with the end of Prohibition (21st Amendment). [edit add: Wiki pegs the end of prohibition as resuming the NYS 18-year drinking age.]
1973: 18, with the lowering of the voting age to 18 (26th Amendment)
1982: 19, with concerns for traffic safety Due to a high number of state driving fatalities
1984: 21, raised "voluntarily" by NYS, after Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act that required states to increase their drinking age to 21, or they would lose 10% of their highway funds.
Drinking age was actually lowered to 18 in 1971. Had my first legal beer at Noyes Center in October 71
Quote from: billhowardFor history's sake, New York's drinking age:
<1896, 16
1896-1920, 18 until Prohibition in 1920
1933: 21, with the end of Prohibition (21st Amendment)
1973: 18, with the lowering of the voting age to 18 (26th Amendment)
1982: 19, with concerns for traffic safety Due to a high number of state driving fatalities
1984: 21, raised "voluntarily" by NYS, after Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act that required states to increase their drinking age to 21, or they would lose 10% of their highway funds.
This is so wrong. I was drinking in a neighborhood bar in 1969 at age 17 because my friend, the Boy Scout Program Director for our camp, told the owner my buddies and I were 18. Those 16 and under were left out.
The date prior to 1969 when the legal age was set 18 in NY is a mystery to me as it was all I ever knew in the days before I imbibed.
I also have vivid memories of the guy from Cleveland who roomed across the hall from me being almost carried back to his UHall 2303 room after his first night of legal drinking in September 1970.
Quote from: martyQuote from: billhowardFor history's sake, New York's drinking age:
<1896, 16
1896-1920, 18 until Prohibition in 1920
1933: 21, with the end of Prohibition (21st Amendment)
1973: 18, with the lowering of the voting age to 18 (26th Amendment)
1982: 19, with concerns for traffic safety Due to a high number of state driving fatalities
1984: 21, raised "voluntarily" by NYS, after Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act that required states to increase their drinking age to 21, or they would lose 10% of their highway funds.
This is so wrong. I was drinking in a neighborhood bar in 1969 at age 17 because my friend, the Boy Scout Program Director for our camp, told the owner my buddies and I were 18. Those 16 and under were left out.
The date prior to 1969 when the legal age was set 18 in NY is a mystery to me as it was all I ever knew in the days before I imbibed.
I also have vivid memories of the guy from Cleveland who roomed across the hall from me being almost carried back to his UHall 2303 room after his first night of legal drinking in September 1970.
It was already 18 when I was a freshman in 1964.
ny state says it was 18 since 1933. the national age became 21 in 1933 but states could go lower
Quote from: upprdeckny state says it was 18 since 1933. the national age became 21 in 1933 but states could go lower
Pass me a Genny Cream!
Quote from: martyQuote from: upprdeckny state says it was 18 since 1933. the national age became 21 in 1933 but states could go lower
Pass me a Genny Cream!
my experience it was more like 16 until the 80s
Quote from: billhowardc) which church is this?
Unitarian Universalist. Of course.
Quote from: jtwcornell91One time in my 30s I was nearly clotheslined by the bouncer at the Chapter House because it didn't occur to me that I would need to show my ID while strolling in the front door.
There is a belief that some bars try to keep out people beyond their 20s, certainly their 30s, and they'll reject you for not having a license. The bouncer is told to say, "We treat everyone equally, have to show ID." There have been a couple cases where someone obviously over 21 who left his ID at home or in the car, has sued, perhaps mostly because he's pissed off, and the courts have agreed. It happened to me in my early 30s in Northampton, Mass., a clearly college community, and they used the line "we card everybody." This is an era before people learned to mouth the words I Want to Speak to Your Manager. So you could be rejected at a higher level.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: jtwcornell91One time in my 30s I was nearly clotheslined by the bouncer at the Chapter House because it didn't occur to me that I would need to show my ID while strolling in the front door.
There is a belief that some bars try to keep out people beyond their 20s, certainly their 30s, and they'll reject you for not having a license. The bouncer is told to say, "We treat everyone equally, have to show ID." There have been a couple cases where someone obviously over 21 who left his ID at home or in the car, has sued, perhaps mostly because he's pissed off, and the courts have agreed. It happened to me in my early 30s in Northampton, Mass., a clearly college community, and they used the line "we card everybody." This is an era before people learned to mouth the words I Want to Speak to Your Manager. So you could be rejected at a higher level.
I'm pretty sure The Chapter House never tried to keep anyone out for being too old.
Nor did the Royal Palm, 1941-2012, keep anyone out for being too old. Always seemed to be a number of alumni/grad students who never wanted to leave and who never believed they'd go bald on top and have a gray ponytail before reaching 40.
Why can't the National Register of Historic Places fight to keep alive one like-a-dive-bar bar in each college town? Has to be college related, so the Chanticleer downtown would never to qualify under another section of the law. The Fall Creek House would.
They should have saved the ceiling from the Palms. My god that was disgusting.
More restaurant action, though not in Collegetown. Kelly's on the west side of town is for sale. https://www.14850.com/052536701-kellys-dockside-sale/
Not the worlds best Pizza but i guess I didnt notice Pats shut down the ithaca location a few months ago. It was good value with large slices and some nice slice variety.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82FWIW, Dunbar's was very thorough about checking IDs when I was a student.
Back when we had a more rational drinking age, I suspect a great many bars were much more thorough in checking IDs. Separating the high-school crowd from the college crowd makes sense; separating the college crowd from itself never really has.
During my years (88-92) it was usually a backup goalie (Jim Crozier). Tough to get in underage (unless you were on the team of course).
And regarding the legal drinking age, there was a pure arbitrage opportunity just waiting to be exploited --> Montreal!! Toronto was closer, but Montreal was worth the extra couple of hours. Drinking age was 18 and back in my day it was C$2/US$1. Went there many many times.
What happened to the Johnny's Big Red Grill sign? Here's the answer! (https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellians/johnnys-sign-restored/?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&user_id=1588308&utm_campaign=tuesday&program=&segment=×tamp=)
Quote from: George64What happened to the Johnny's Big Red Grill sign? Here's the answer! (https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellians/johnnys-sign-restored/?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&user_id=1588308&utm_campaign=tuesday&program=&segment=×tamp=)
Thanks for pointing out the article. I was prompted to look up the American Sign Museum and found the Johnny's sign in their on-line catalog. https://www.americansignmuseum.org/entry/?search=johnny%27s&page_number=1&entry_id=47a9b540-dd5f-11ee-8bc7-ab576bf17a06
What happened to make Ithaca Beer close in collegetown?
Quote from: upprdeckWhat happened to make Ithaca Beer close in collegetown?
No answer to the question, but a mention of the closing along with longer accounts of several other Collegetown restaurant closings. https://www.14850.com/091038002-collegetown-closures-2409/
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: upprdeckWhat happened to make Ithaca Beer close in collegetown?
No answer to the question, but a mention of the closing along with longer accounts of several other Collegetown restaurant closings. https://www.14850.com/091038002-collegetown-closures-2409/
Maybe it was the ugly interior design interacting with an agoraphobia-creating swathe of windows?
Bring back Oliver's! (And all the other spaces we are missing.)
Quote from: Scersk '97Bring back Oliver's! (And all the other spaces we are missing.)
Seconded.
Also, raze any building in C-town over 2 stories.
good news is that Wing over finally brought back crinkle fries
Quote from: martyQuote from: upprdeckny state says it was 18 since 1933. the national age became 21 in 1933 but states could go lower
Pass me a Genny Cream!
Mature crowd this week. No one made a play on pass and piss.
Two summers ago we were motorboating along Cayuga Lake and stopped at a waterfront restaurant a third of the way up the west side. It was so nostalgic, I think the most sophisticated menu item was a burger with onion rings, and the warmish day called for a Genny Cream. My wife, whose teen years were in Thailand, found Genny nothing special. Other than cold.
But she didn't appreciate the beauty of a 24-pack, that or Rolling Rock, for, what, $2 (I think), in the early 1970s. Actually, if you run the inflation calculator, cheap beer today is cheaper. A $1.99 case of beer equals $12 today; if it was $2.99 a case it'd be $19.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Bring back Oliver's! (And all the other spaces we are missing.)
Seconded.
Also, raze any building in C-town over 2 stories.
Even the three-story wood-frame buildings of the fifties? If any are left?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Bring back Oliver's! (And all the other spaces we are missing.)
Seconded.
Also, raze any building in C-town over 2 stories.
Even the three-story wood-frame buildings of the fifties? If any are left?
I'm quite partial to the 3-story houses from the 19th century that are frequent in the East Hill Historic Preservation District, having grown up in one of them. I'll point out that the building that used to house the much-mourned Chapter House was three stories, as is its replacement.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Bring back Oliver's! (And all the other spaces we are missing.)
Seconded.
Also, raze any building in C-town over 2 stories.
Even the three-story wood-frame buildings of the fifties? If any are left?
Fine. Raze every building erected since 1945.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: martyQuote from: upprdeckny state says it was 18 since 1933. the national age became 21 in 1933 but states could go lower
Pass me a Genny Cream!
Mature crowd this week. No one made a play on pass and piss.
Two summers ago we were motorboating along Cayuga Lake and stopped at a waterfront restaurant a third of the way up the west side. It was so nostalgic, I think the most sophisticated menu item was a burger with onion rings, and the warmish day called for a Genny Cream. My wife, whose teen years were in Thailand, found Genny nothing special. Other than cold.
But she didn't appreciate the beauty of a 24-pack, that or Rolling Rock, for, what, $2 (I think), in the early 1970s. Actually, if you run the inflation calculator, cheap beer today is cheaper. A $1.99 case of beer equals $12 today; if it was $2.99 a case it'd be $19.
I'm guessing O'Malley's which has been there forever. I used to go with my Grandparents- it was an adventure across the lake for burgers and fried fish.
1/3 of the way up wouldnt be Omallays though thats like 1/2 half but perhaps close enough
The Pines would be more like 1/8 up the lake if you can get to it from a boat
Quote from: upprdeck1/3 of the way up wouldnt be Omallays though thats like 1/2 half but perhaps close enough
The Pines would be more like 1/8 up the lake if you can get to it from a boat
oof the stairs from the bottom would be brutal!
That said, there really isn't enough boat up dining on Cayuga, which TBH isn't a bad thing, not every lake has to be max developed.
there used to be some places towards the other end on the west side. not sure if they have all closed up.
I walked through Collegetown last night just to check out how it is nowadays. It's amazing how few bars there are now compared to 10-15 years ago when places were closing down and we thought it was bad then. Now, it's just Hideaway (where Dunbar's used to be) and Level B. CTB has drinks but that's mostly a restaurant. Even the Commons seems to be a more appealing option for students nowadays given there are actual bars where people can easily hear each other in addition to the pseudo clubs
The Fall Creek House is still around. Used to be a hockey hangout. Now, judging by photos of the bar, apparently a lax hangout.
Quote from: George64The Fall Creek House is still around. Used to be a hockey hangout. Now, judging by photos of the bar, apparently a lax hangout.
The Chapter House, burned out -- April is the 10th anniversary -- has been rebuilt. And still sits empty. Critics say the asking price on rent is too much.
You have to wonder if 10 yrs down the road, does sitting empty create more money than something paying less rent does?
The way bars are going now is there even a market to be one?
Quote from: upprdeckYou have to wonder if 10 yrs down the road, does sitting empty create more money than something paying less rent does?
Something, something absentee landlords!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQl5-H8lxA4dCyNeM9RBgL5oC_-aBekVNrUKA&s)
one comes back
agave location (https://www.14850.com/021840074-bg-budas-agava-ithaca/)
Quote from: upprdeckone comes back
agave location (https://www.14850.com/021840074-bg-budas-agava-ithaca/)
> a former railroad depot building
I had no idea! Wonder which line (https://www.etsy.com/listing/1165753763/historic-rail-map-of-ithaca-in-1921).
Lehigh Valley, Cortland branch:
(https://www.vizettes.com/kt/rr/ithaca-railroads/ithaca-rr-maps/scott-ithaca-2007.jpg)
Quote from: This line was part of the Elmira, Cortland & Northern before merger to the Lehigh Valley.
Itself collected from various shortlines, the section from Deruyter to Freeville was constructed by the NY&OM, an Ontario & Western predecessor, as part of an aborted route to Buffalo. EC&N predecessor Utica, Ithaca and Elmira was granted trackage rights, and took it over when the NY&OM gave up.
...
The LV served this line via Freeville and connection to the former Southern Central line, which was abandoned in 1976. It was in place, but out of service, to East Ithaca where it served the Cornell University steam plant.
East Ithaca to Horseheads was also abandoned in 1938, except for a short segment at Van Etten Jct. that remained at least through the late 1990s as a setout track.
Going west from Van Etten was a steep grade that required LV's 4-6-0 branch power of the time to double the hill when pulling more than a handful of cars.
The section from Elmira to Horseheads was served via trackage rights on the Erie/EL and taken out of service just before Conrail.
BK coming back (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/02/mirabito-revives-east-hill-service-center-burger-king-plan/)
First we got our KFC back, now BK. Can pizza hut be far behind with Pizza pizza gone?
Quote from: upprdeckBK coming back (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/02/mirabito-revives-east-hill-service-center-burger-king-plan/)
First we got our KFC back, now BK. Can pizza hut be far behind with Pizza pizza gone?
But will it be a real Pizza Hut or just a takeout counter?
Cortland has been waiting for 2 yrs for the one they got approved.
Cheap pizza hut buffet was a great deal, and we went from 2 to none in Ithaca..
Everything has gone down hill
Lost our Pizza huts, Ponderosas, our Italian Buffets, our Chinese Buffets, Our Pizza buffets, and our Bowling Alleys.
What has Ithaca become.
Quote from: upprdeckCortland has been waiting for 2 yrs for the one they got approved.
Cheap pizza hut buffet was a great deal, and we went from 2 to none in Ithaca..
Everything has gone down hill
Lost our Pizza huts, Ponderosas, our Italian Buffets, our Chinese Buffets, Our Pizza buffets, and our Bowling Alleys.
What has Ithaca become.
Well adjusted.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckone comes back
agave location (https://www.14850.com/021840074-bg-budas-agava-ithaca/)
> a former railroad depot building
I had no idea! Wonder which line (https://www.etsy.com/listing/1165753763/historic-rail-map-of-ithaca-in-1921).
On the linked map you can see the East Ithaca station.
Until 1976 freight trains still came in from the northeast bringing coal to the Cornell heating plant. The June flooding in 1972 washed out too many bridges to make it worth rebuilding and the line was formally abandoned four years later. Much of that line in both directions is now the East Ithaca Recreation Way. https://ithacatrails.org/map?trailList=East%20Ithaca%20Recreation%20Way
Another place closes Firehouse (https://www.14850.com/012939813-firehouse-subs-closed/)
another one closingApplebees closing (https://www.14850.com/030140190-applebees-ithaca-closing/)
Again. Raising rent and being empty makes more money?
Harder and harder to find quick easy sit down food.
Used to swing in after hockey games.
Quote from: upprdeckanother one closingApplebees closing (https://www.14850.com/030140190-applebees-ithaca-closing/)
Again. Raising rent and being empty makes more money?
Harder and harder to find quick easy sit down food.
Used to swing in after hockey games.
I did too. Bummer.
Quote from: upprdeckanother one closingApplebees closing (https://www.14850.com/030140190-applebees-ithaca-closing/)
Again. Raising rent and being empty makes more money?
Harder and harder to find quick easy sit down food.
Used to swing in after hockey games.
I guess, yeah. Feels like commerce is moving away from the Lansing region as a whole - I stopped by the Ithaca Mall a week or two ago and spent entirely too much time wandering around. Place is half-abandoned, more empty stores than full ones, flagships replaced by Cayuga Health services. Had a yap with an employee of the mall, and he shrugged his shoulders a little bit and said that everyone knows it's basically a ticking time bomb at this point.
For "quick easy sit-down food", CTB's now open til midnight in the Collegetown location. There are a few decent places around the Commons, a Chili's by the Wegmans...
Although not always quick because it's so popular, I recommend the Ithaca Bakery for great sandwiches. The Triphammer location is usually way less busy than the Meadow Street one.
The first indoor mall was 1956 in Minnesota. Their peak years were 1980s, 1990s. Some indoor malls are reconverting to outdoor malls. Affluent malls are still doing okay. A mall is affluent if it has, sat, a Neiman-Marcus, Nordstrom, or a Tesla or Lucid showroom.
Malls were hurt because the anchors at many mid-price malls fell out of favor whether in a mall or freestanding: JC Penney, Montgomery Ward, Sears ("Where America Used to Shop").
Mall movie theaters have come and some have gone. Pyramid-now-Ithaca Mall was on a glideslope to close its theaters circa 2023 with the bankruptcy of parent Regal but the closing was off and is now off indefinitely.
Some of the shopping focus has shifted to Route 13 / Elmira Road out toward Buttermilk Road.
There is a Costco just west of Syracuse. There has been talk of an Ikea in Buffalo maybe elsewhere along Route 90 but so far no action.
Upscale groceries are doing well: Wegman's (which began in Rochester), Whole Foods, Trader Joes.
Cost drives things
Shopping was so much easier at a mall and people went in droves
Rent went up, some stores struggled and Rent went up some more
Shopping down on 13 does not even come close to what the mall experience was.
You go to one like Destiny and you can go in and out of 20 stores and buy a few things. You go to the strip malls and you go 1-2-3 stores and go home
It is interesting that stores like JCPenny/Sears which had pretty good runs and lots of variety are mostly gone. Target is packed and its like a dumbed down Pennys
When JCPenny left Ithaca they were the 2nd highest profit store in the state, once they left that mall has never been the same.
Collegetown is a shell of its former self. I've been in Ithaca on a few weekend nights so far this year and even most of the students are going out to bars downtown near the Commons. It's actually hard to find a bar that doesn't have undergrads.
Quote from: George64Although not always quick because it's so popular, I recommend the Ithaca Bakery for great sandwiches. The Triphammer location is usually way less busy than the Meadow Street one.
It's a good choice but not after a hockey game as it is closed.
I wonder why Auburn can keep so many of these chains alive and Ithaca struggles. About the same Population but Ithaca has a much larger college group around.
Quote from: upprdeckI wonder why Auburn can keep so many of these chains alive and Ithaca struggles. About the same Population but Ithaca has a much larger college group around.
Likely because it doesn't have The Boatyard, The Antlers etc., etc.
Perhaps. But I would take auburn places over those 2 any day,
Quote from: upprdeckPerhaps. But I would take auburn places over those 2 any day,
What are the great ones in Auburn?
Balloons
Sunset which closed over Covid
Lascas
Michaels
Osteria
casual stuff
like Kostas or Parkers or Prison city
spoon and fork
I do like Antlers
Never had a good meal at the Boatyard
Ciao is decent
Tarzhay was and is an upscale alternative to WalMart. JC Penney felt like an upscale Sears Roebuck, and no tool department.
I still wonder where Ithacans shop if they want a nice suit: Syracuse / Binghamton, or all the way to NYC / Jersey / Westchester malls? The last suit I bought, a navy Ralph Lauren, came off eBay out of a rabbinical supply house in Miami. $150, worn once.
must be Bejamin Peters I guess.
Johns Tailors?
Kolhs has some cheaper stuff.
Quote from: billhowardTarzhay was and is an upscale alternative to WalMart. JC Penney felt like an upscale Sears Roebuck, and no tool department.
I still wonder where Ithacans shop if they want a nice suit: Syracuse / Binghamton, or all the way to NYC / Jersey / Westchester malls? The last suit I bought, a navy Ralph Lauren, came off eBay out of a rabbinical supply house in Miami. $150, worn once.
I take it that Irv Lewis and Morris' Mens Shop are no longer options. I'm retired and only wear suits to weddings and funerals, the latter now more frequent than the former. I'm 42 regular if you need one.
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Quote from: George64Quote from: billhowardTarzhay was and is an upscale alternative to WalMart. JC Penney felt like an upscale Sears Roebuck, and no tool department.
I still wonder where Ithacans shop if they want a nice suit: Syracuse / Binghamton, or all the way to NYC / Jersey / Westchester malls? The last suit I bought, a navy Ralph Lauren, came off eBay out of a rabbinical supply house in Miami. $150, worn once.
I take it that Irv Lewis and Morris' Mens Shop are no longer options. I'm retired and only wear suits to weddings and funerals, the latter now more frequent than the former. I'm 42 regular if you need one.
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Haskell the Rascal Davidson's Browning King and Company is a memory that's fun to pull from the cobwebs in my head.
Ben Peters bought Irv Morris in 1994. and Just sold it to his employee in 21
Well, thank you, I'm a 42-short.
Since I've been in tech publishing most of my life — i.e. no suits since the mid-90s, and the first time met Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, one was in flip=flops and one in board shorts. This decade I've bought only two suits and the most recent was an $800 Ralph Lauren navy suit (if you have only one, that's the color), $175 eBay make-offer accepted, from a Miami rabbinical supply house in Miami.
I believe Rochester - Syracuse would have better suits, probably Binghamton, and if you're Cornell faculty/staff you get to NYC a couple times a year.
Aside about old times: Haskell Davidson, proprietor of Browing King & Co., a clothing store / haberdashery, gone 50 years now (1973) was a good friend to Cornell hockey and organized the Ithaca Hockey Boosters's Ass'n. Hockey player fashion at the time was plaid wool slacks and a big leather jacket, usually with a turtleneck underneath. Today Cornell players off-ice in semi-formal settings look like they about to interview on Wall Street. A lot of them are. Jack O'Leary, bless him, wore nice loafers no socks to a post-game reception on a snowy night.
A new sports bar coming to the Ithaca Commons. https://ithacavoice.org/2025/04/nightlife-new-sports-bar-to-open-in-former-range-space/
How has longshots been doing?
Interesting to tell a story and not actually tell the location?
Quote from: upprdeckHow has longshots been doing? Interesting to tell a story and not actually tell the location?
Longshots is in Triphammer Marketplace, the old strip mall with an pedestrian walkway indoors, on the near side of Route 13, the one with Ithaca Re-Use, an Ithaca Bakery outpost, nice wine store, just-closed-this-month Ithaca Coffee, and in winter the farmer's market ... not the bigger indoor mall that used to have JC Penney etcetera.
I've seen no definitive online reviews of Longshots.
PS Wouldn't hurt to append a dash and bar/restaurant name to the subject line.
I know where Longshots is.
I also have not heard from anyone who has gone there. With Applebee's closing find a place to watch a game up in that area is pretty hard. Pizza and Bones does have a few Tvs.
I had no idea where this new one was. I rarely get down to the Commons anymore. I mean I could google around and try to find the location from the mention of the place it also replaced but it would have been easier with a location in the story itself.
I went to Longshots at one point not too long after it opened. It was fine, but I've never really had an urge to go back. When I was in town last week and decided I wanted to catch part of a game, I just automatically went to Uncle Joe's and Longshots didn't even cross my mind. Another night, I caught part of a game at Personal Best.
I've never seen an "upscale sports bar" that really worked, but best of luck to the new place on the Commons.
Quote from: billhowardPS Wouldn't hurt to append a dash and bar/restaurant name to the subject line.
Good idea.
Quote from: WederI went to Longshots at one point not too long after it opened. It was fine, but I've never really had an urge to go back. When I was in town last week and decided I wanted to catch part of a game, I just automatically went to Uncle Joe's and Longshots didn't even cross my mind. Another night, I caught part of a game at Personal Best.
I've never seen an "upscale sports bar" that really worked, but best of luck to the new place on the Commons.
Yeah, I've got friends who like Longshots, but it's just too damn far away. Also, Uncle Joe's has food. Lol. (And it's pretty good.)
Reminds me I should go back there to watch some playoff games, once I emerge from the dreck of 1L finals.
what will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
Quote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Quote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
The fast food and fast casual categories are swinging rapidly into takeout and app based delivery services. This is one of the few areas of growth for the industry. Students and locals alike are ordering off of Grubhub instead of going out. Legacy chains like McDonald's are planning new stores with minimal in store dining areas, if any at all. The one nearest me, albeit here in Mid-Size City, is empty inside but for the Uber Eats drivers and the drive through wraps around the block all day. Even chains like Applebee's are finding that existing square footage for in store dining is more than they need to staff on any given night, while their kitchens double as ghost kitchens for other delivery-only brands to make up for excess capacity and glean greater profits.
Rezoning and redevelopment of the former Pyramid Mall (I'm that old) with residential/mixed use needs to come sooner than later. Or Just re-install the fountains from the 70's and all the Gen X folks like me can retire there.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
The fast food and fast casual categories are swinging rapidly into takeout and app based delivery services. This is one of the few areas of growth for the industry. Students and locals alike are ordering off of Grubhub instead of going out. Legacy chains like McDonald's are planning new stores with minimal in store dining areas, if any at all. The one nearest me, albeit here in Mid-Size City, is empty inside but for the Uber Eats drivers and the drive through wraps around the block all day. Even chains like Applebee's are finding that existing square footage for in store dining is more than they need to staff on any given night, while their kitchens double as ghost kitchens for other delivery-only brands to make up for excess capacity and glean greater profits.
Rezoning and redevelopment of the former Pyramid Mall (I'm that old) with residential/mixed use needs to come sooner than later. Or Just re-install the fountains from the 70's and all the Gen X folks like me can retire there.
Nah, that mall is going to just turn into one big Cayuga Health facility the way things are trending... but agreed on the rise of DoorDashing and the like perhaps making location less important. I dunno, I'm not one to have a meal delivered personally so I don't take it into account often. (Unless it's Taco Bell, that shit's just too far away and the buses too infrequent to justify me going there...)
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
The fast food and fast casual categories are swinging rapidly into takeout and app based delivery services. This is one of the few areas of growth for the industry. Students and locals alike are ordering off of Grubhub instead of going out. Legacy chains like McDonald's are planning new stores with minimal in store dining areas, if any at all. The one nearest me, albeit here in Mid-Size City, is empty inside but for the Uber Eats drivers and the drive through wraps around the block all day. Even chains like Applebee's are finding that existing square footage for in store dining is more than they need to staff on any given night, while their kitchens double as ghost kitchens for other delivery-only brands to make up for excess capacity and glean greater profits.
Rezoning and redevelopment of the former Pyramid Mall (I'm that old) with residential/mixed use needs to come sooner than later. Or Just re-install the fountains from the 70's and all the Gen X folks like me can retire there.
Nah, that mall is going to just turn into one big Cayuga Health facility the way things are trending... but agreed on the rise of DoorDashing and the like perhaps making location less important. I dunno, I'm not one to have a meal delivered personally so I don't take it into account often. (Unless it's Taco Bell, that shit's just too far away and the buses too infrequent to justify me going there...)
I don't order DoorDashed food often either, but I'm always a little surprised how many people do it regularly- some of my friends order-in nearly every night.
Subway at the mall just closed as well. Pizza and a Pretzel left besides Zocalo.
The MacD in Lansing is jammed quite often inside as is in the one downtown.
I get the idea of some order to go but MacD is not one that travels well.
Subs/Pizza/Wings sure they survive 15 min drives. Fries not so much
Quote from: upprdeckSubway at the mall just closed as well. Pizza and a Pretzel left besides Zocalo.
The MacD in Lansing is jammed quite often inside as is in the one downtown.
I get the idea of some order to go but MacD is not one that travels well.
Subs/Pizza/Wings sure they survive 15 min drives. Fries not so much
They finally shuttered that Subway? Damn, I was up there last month and it was still functioning.
Also, the MacD's in Lansing is without doubt the worst I have ever been to...
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
The fast food and fast casual categories are swinging rapidly into takeout and app based delivery services. This is one of the few areas of growth for the industry. Students and locals alike are ordering off of Grubhub instead of going out. Legacy chains like McDonald's are planning new stores with minimal in store dining areas, if any at all. The one nearest me, albeit here in Mid-Size City, is empty inside but for the Uber Eats drivers and the drive through wraps around the block all day. Even chains like Applebee's are finding that existing square footage for in store dining is more than they need to staff on any given night, while their kitchens double as ghost kitchens for other delivery-only brands to make up for excess capacity and glean greater profits.
Rezoning and redevelopment of the former Pyramid Mall (I'm that old) with residential/mixed use needs to come sooner than later. Or Just re-install the fountains from the 70's and all the Gen X folks like me can retire there.
Nah, that mall is going to just turn into one big Cayuga Health facility the way things are trending... but agreed on the rise of DoorDashing and the like perhaps making location less important. I dunno, I'm not one to have a meal delivered personally so I don't take it into account often. (Unless it's Taco Bell, that shit's just too far away and the buses too infrequent to justify me going there...)
I don't order DoorDashed food often either, but I'm always a little surprised how many people do it regularly- some of my friends order-in nearly every night.
Their endocrinologists are unlikely to make house calls once their Type II kicks in but hey maybe that will be a thing in another decade or so. There's always telemedicine too. "The A1C alert just went off on my watch!"
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
The fast food and fast casual categories are swinging rapidly into takeout and app based delivery services. This is one of the few areas of growth for the industry. Students and locals alike are ordering off of Grubhub instead of going out. Legacy chains like McDonald's are planning new stores with minimal in store dining areas, if any at all. The one nearest me, albeit here in Mid-Size City, is empty inside but for the Uber Eats drivers and the drive through wraps around the block all day. Even chains like Applebee's are finding that existing square footage for in store dining is more than they need to staff on any given night, while their kitchens double as ghost kitchens for other delivery-only brands to make up for excess capacity and glean greater profits.
Rezoning and redevelopment of the former Pyramid Mall (I'm that old) with residential/mixed use needs to come sooner than later. Or Just re-install the fountains from the 70's and all the Gen X folks like me can retire there.
Only if they put an old-style sit-down Pizza Hut back in.
Pizza hut buffet was solid
There is so little to eat on top of the hill the MacD gets swamped at lunch. You cant get from the top to the fast food on 13 and back in a lunch time.
How long ago when up by the mall you had things like Billy Bobs. multiple Chinese places, Italian, pizza hut, Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, Subway, multiple pizza places, Mexicali Rose, 3 hotels
I miss the Italian Buffet and the chinese Buffets.
I'm ready to re-enroll in Book-It.
Quote from: upprdeckPizza hut buffet was solid
There is so little to eat on top of the hill the MacD gets swamped at lunch. You cant get from the top to the fast food on 13 and back in a lunch time.
How long ago when up by the mall you had things like Billy Bobs. multiple Chinese places, Italian, pizza hut, Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, Subway, multiple pizza places, Mexicali Rose, 3 hotels
I miss the Italian Buffet and the chinese Buffets.
Where was the Wendy's up there? I remember the one in Collegetown but can't recall one by the mall (or in it).
Quote from: upprdeckThere is so little to eat on top of the hill the MacD gets swamped at lunch. You cant get from the top to the fast food on 13 and back in a lunch time.
How long ago when up by the mall you had things like Billy Bobs. multiple Chinese places, Italian, pizza hut, Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, Subway, multiple pizza places, Mexicali Rose, 3 hotels
I miss the Italian Buffet and the chinese Buffets.
I miss Mexicali Rose pretty intensely. Perfectly competent TexMex, and Tuesday wing night was the siren song of my teen years.
Quote from: WederQuote from: upprdeckPizza hut buffet was solid
There is so little to eat on top of the hill the MacD gets swamped at lunch. You cant get from the top to the fast food on 13 and back in a lunch time.
How long ago when up by the mall you had things like Billy Bobs. multiple Chinese places, Italian, pizza hut, Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, Subway, multiple pizza places, Mexicali Rose, 3 hotels
I miss the Italian Buffet and the chinese Buffets.
Where was the Wendy's up there? I remember the one in Collegetown but can't recall one by the mall (or in it).
OK, my friends in Ithaca assure me there was a Wendy's in the mall food court. I don't remember it at all.
Quote from: upprdeckPizza hut buffet was solid
There is so little to eat on top of the hill the MacD gets swamped at lunch. You cant get from the top to the fast food on 13 and back in a lunch time.
How long ago when up by the mall you had things like Billy Bobs. multiple Chinese places, Italian, pizza hut, Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, Subway, multiple pizza places, Mexicali Rose, 3 hotels
I miss the Italian Buffet and the chinese Buffets.
Lansing area's just dead atp. Besides the Usual Suspects that always do well (McD's and the like), it feels like nothing there lasts. Pretty sure one of those craft stores up there closed a few months back.
Quote from: WederQuote from: WederQuote from: upprdeckPizza hut buffet was solid
There is so little to eat on top of the hill the MacD gets swamped at lunch. You cant get from the top to the fast food on 13 and back in a lunch time.
How long ago when up by the mall you had things like Billy Bobs. multiple Chinese places, Italian, pizza hut, Arbys, Wendys, Applebees, Subway, multiple pizza places, Mexicali Rose, 3 hotels
I miss the Italian Buffet and the chinese Buffets.
Where was the Wendy's up there? I remember the one in Collegetown but can't recall one by the mall (or in it).
OK, my friends in Ithaca assure me there was a Wendy's in the mall food court. I don't remember it at all.
I remember it- and I had a friend who worked at that one. The Wendy's on 13 had the Super Bar buffet, which was awesome.
Wendys and Arbys were side by side. In the spot next to the bath room hallway. Or where the 2 floor mini golf used to be back in the day. Across from it was the subway which was in front of the restaurant in the hall that led to the movie theatre,
This thread prompted me to look at the Google Earth view of the Triphammer Road area. I was in grad school when Friendly's replaced the pond where we occasionally played 3-on-3 hockey. Now that's gone, replaced by Kingston's Cuisine, whatever that is.
Quote from: George64This thread prompted me to look at the Google Earth view of the Triphammer Road area. I was in grad school when Friendly's replaced the pond where we occasionally played 3-on-3 hockey. Now that's gone, replaced by Kingston's Cuisine, whatever that is.
Jamaica me crazy. ;-)
At one point there were 3 whole Friendly's in town - Triphammer, Rt 13 and one inside Pyramid Mall. It became a Gap, iirc.
Quote from: The RancorQuote from: stereaxQuote from: WederQuote from: stereaxQuote from: upprdeckwhat will this bring? (https://ithacavoice.org/2025/06/developer-pitches-food-centric-redevelopment-of-site-near-mall/)
make you wonder.
One that already exists, perhaps Wendys comes back up the hill, they had a great business at the mall? chills with a 2nd location? Dont think Arbys make any sense. Applebees did not want to leave so maybe a new location works for them? BK has been out of the market for awhile?
popeyes or Sonic would be nice. Jersey mikes would be nice.
the restaurants AT the mall are barely afloat, bar zocalo...
My first thought was Chipotle, though it's rare for them to put two in smaller communities.
Another Chipper could work. Problem is Lansing's just stupid far away from anything else of note. Also why the mall's a ghost town.
The fast food and fast casual categories are swinging rapidly into takeout and app based delivery services. This is one of the few areas of growth for the industry. Students and locals alike are ordering off of Grubhub instead of going out. Legacy chains like McDonald's are planning new stores with minimal in store dining areas, if any at all. The one nearest me, albeit here in Mid-Size City, is empty inside but for the Uber Eats drivers and the drive through wraps around the block all day. Even chains like Applebee's are finding that existing square footage for in store dining is more than they need to staff on any given night, while their kitchens double as ghost kitchens for other delivery-only brands to make up for excess capacity and glean greater profits.
Rezoning and redevelopment of the former Pyramid Mall (I'm that old) with residential/mixed use needs to come sooner than later. Or Just re-install the fountains from the 70's and all the Gen X folks like me can retire there.
Note that in the report that upperdeck linked to the biggest point of contention at the Planning Board meeting was between the developer saying that the restaurants needed easy drive through (even though they were "fast-casual", which to me implies sit-down) and the Village's antipathy to extra curb cuts.
Quote from: upprdeckOr where the 2 floor mini golf used to be back in the day.
The what now? When? How did I miss this?
That was before Sears as I recall
rumor that Adelitas is coming to the old Applebees spot. The ones in Rochester have been very good.
Quote from: upprdeckrumor that Adelitas is coming to the old Applebees spot. The ones in Rochester have been very good.
Adelitas replaced an Applebees at Pittsford Plaza. Had dinner there last night.
Quote from: George64Quote from: upprdeckrumor that Adelitas is coming to the old Applebees spot. The ones in Rochester have been very good.
Adelitas replaced an Applebees at Pittsford Plaza. Had dinner there last night.
And? Was it very good?
Quote from: stereaxQuote from: George64Adelitas replaced an Applebees at Pittsford Plaza. Had dinner there last night.
And? Was it very good?
Yes, carne asada tacos, but not as good as the hole-in-the-wall places I frequented when I lived in Santa Monica.
No one mentions the new Dairy Queen
dairy queen (https://www.reddit.com/r/ithaca/comments/1mcbe90/tim_hortons/)
I had no idea either. But drove by today and the sign says coming soon and the redo of the outside is coming along
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