The non-Ivy teams have already played a considerable amount of OOC games and RPI and Harvard swept their travel partners in league games last weekend. Everybody plays this weekend, including the two alleged favorites (Harvard and Yale). We'll see how long that lasts
Yale/RPI currently tied and Harvard/QU still scoreless. Those are probably the most intriguing matchups away from Lynah tonight.
The final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.
QuoteAfter Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.
Quote from: martyThe final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.
QuoteAfter Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.
Of course that has to take more than 1 second.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: martyThe final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.
QuoteAfter Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.
Of course that has to take more than 1 second.
You can make your own guesses for the puck speed, but with what seem to me reasonable assumptins, 1 second doesn't seem far off. The puck hits the ice on the faceoff and the clock starts. A clean draw to Clifton, a forward, travels about 20 feet sideways at, maybe, 50 mph. That's 273 ms. Clifton one-times it at the net, 92 feet away (sqrt(90
2 + 20
2)) at maybe 80 mph. That's another 786 ms. Total 1058 ms. I'd expect any reaction time by the timekeeper on starting the clock on the faceoff and stopping it on the goal would approximately cancel. Plug in your own puck speed assumptions, but I don't think you'll get over 1.9 seconds.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: martyThe final two goals in the Qpac Harvard game were scored only one second apart. With Q leading 3-0 and killing a 5 on 3 Harvard pulled the goalie and scored 6 on 3. And then this from the USCHO fan forum.
QuoteAfter Harvard scored, the teams lined up for the center ice faceoff with Harvard's net empty. Travis St. Denis won the draw directly back to Timmy Clifton who seemingly one timed the puck into the net from beyond center ice. Pretty cool.
Of course that has to take more than 1 second.
You can make your own guesses for the puck speed, but with what seem to me reasonable assumptins, 1 second doesn't seem far off. The puck hits the ice on the faceoff and the clock starts. A clean draw to Clifton, a forward, travels about 20 feet sideways at, maybe, 50 mph. That's 273 ms. Clifton one-times it at the net, 92 feet away (sqrt(902 + 202)) at maybe 80 mph. That's another 786 ms. Total 1058 ms. I'd expect any reaction time by the timekeeper on starting the clock on the faceoff and stopping it on the goal would approximately cancel. Plug in your own puck speed assumptions, but I don't think you'll get over 1.9 seconds.
Oh, I love following an Ivy League team!!! ::laugh::
Brown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0
Quote from: IcebergBrown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0
So Marty, or anyone else, did they ever explain that?
what the heck? did he blow a whistle for no reason? he waived off the goal but he didnt seem to blow the play dead? and it was a clear goal?
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: IcebergBrown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0
So Marty, or anyone else, did they ever explain that?
Answering my own question. From the RPI thread on USCHO Forum:
QuoteWithout a Peer @without_a_peer
Hearing that the goal was disallowed because that was the call on the ice and the replay malfunctioned. Hooooboy.
this is another game ending replay mistake. the ECAC should change the result unless that can offer some explanation as to why its a no goal.
and now we see the replay system broke.. what i dont get is why it was called a no goal in the first place.. the original waive off seemed tobe for the shot the defense saved not for the goal itself. they should have gone to replay which i though they were allowed to do by the new rules.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: IcebergBrown with an obvious goal disallowed in overtime. From 2:19:08 onward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ygWucWvB0
So Marty, or anyone else, did they ever explain that?
From http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Controversial-call-preserves-tie-between-RPI-6633349.php
QuoteBrown appeared to get a puck into the RPI net on a power play with 41.9 seconds left in overtime, but officials called it no-goal and went to the in-house replay system to review the play.
The press box replay system failed and was unable to produce an overhead view of the puck and its position relative to the goal line. Schroeder claims he knocked it out while helping goalie Cam Hackett. The officials were forced to stick with their original call despite furious protests from Brown coach Brendan Whittet.
So the RPI-tv crew (and audience) watched it about 8 times, but they couldn't get the outstanding overhead camera view to the refs? Terrible. The league needs to remedy this.
This was also good from the RPI player who ended up in the net:
Quote"I crashed (the net) and got it out of there; that's all I can really say," Schroeder said. "I don't know what happened from there. I was face down. I got it out from the goal line when Cam made the first save. It was trickling in and I got it out."
Video clearly shows him swiping the puck lying underneath him out of the goal as he was getting up.
Appert claims the refs blew it dead. Somehow. As the puck careened off his goalie's skate into the net.
Quote"Zach made a good defensive play," said RPI coach Seth Appert, who firmly believed an official's whistle preceded any possibility of the puck crossing the line. "Apparently, it didn't go in. All four officials didn't see it go in. They were all in good postion. I thought they handled it well considering the circumstances."
A couple more observations from the video:
Are Kitchen and Drain permanently paired together as linesmen? That would be awesome.
RPI students have picked up our Remote Control goalie, only they seem to just enjoy the tuuuuuuurn a great deal. Besides, Cornell students only seem to care about chanting "bend over" now.
As Brown called the time-out, a very loud "Brown is shit! Shit is Brown!" chant happened.
was there any whistle at all? and how do all te refs ignore the fact the puck is in the back of the net? its not like it was in and out too fast to see.
Quote from: upprdeckwas there any whistle at all? and how do all te refs ignore the fact the puck is in the back of the net? its not like it was in and out too fast to see.
The whistle happens more than three seconds after the puck enters the net. You can watch the clock wind down on the video.
I think it was ruled "no goal" initially because it was judged that the net was dislodged before the puck went in. The replay clearly shows that not to be the case, but if they couldn't see the replay, the initial call on the ice has to stand.
Hmmmm...funny time for the replay system to "fail" when the home team benefits. At a tech school.
This is clearly one of those times when the honest thing to do would be for RPI to decline the win. Judging by Appert's statements, that'll be a cold day in hell.
NM
Quote from: Jim HylaThis is clearly one of those times when the honest thing to do would be for RPI to decline the win. Judging by Appert's statements, that'll be a cold day in hell.
We should all send Appert the Fifth Down article in the current Cornell Alumni magazine.
Quote from: RichHHmmmm...funny time for the replay system to "fail" when the home team benefits. At a tech school.
Many stories--perhaps apocryphal, perhaps not--of strange failures at Houston when Ned's RPI teams needed a breather.
i thought the no goal was because he was ruling the first Save by the D kept it out and had little to do with the net. just a bad call and as it was on TV why didnt they use the TV replay too?
Quote from: Jim HylaThis is clearly one of those times when the honest thing to do would be for RPI to decline the win. Judging by Appert's statements, that'll be a cold day in hell.
"win"?
Considering how mysterious the penalty was that put Brown on the power play leading to the goal, I think that justice was served.
I also add that RPI-TV is not part of the league video requirements. If they look at that they would then have to start looking at numerous cell phone videos for each goal under review. It has to be uniform in the league if not the NCAA.
i thought the rule said if tv replay was available they could use it not that it had to be used.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: Jim HylaThis is clearly one of those times when the honest thing to do would be for RPI to decline the win. Judging by Appert's statements, that'll be a cold day in hell.
"win"?
Considering how mysterious the penalty was that put Brown on the power play leading to the goal, I think that justice was served.
I also add that RPI-TV is not part of the league video requirements. If they look at that they would then have to start looking at numerous cell phone videos for each goal under review. It has to be uniform in the league if not the NCAA.
Not much mystery here, but as they say the your eyesight may vary:
(http://s2.photobucket.com/user/martytoo/media/2015-11-15%203_zps0q93iiza.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/martytoo/2015-11-15%203_zps0q93iiza.jpg)
Quote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: Jim HylaThis is clearly one of those times when the honest thing to do would be for RPI to decline the win. Judging by Appert's statements, that'll be a cold day in hell.
"win"?
Considering how mysterious the penalty was that put Brown on the power play leading to the goal, I think that justice was served.
I also add that RPI-TV is not part of the league video requirements. If they look at that they would then have to start looking at numerous cell phone videos for each goal under review. It has to be uniform in the league if not the NCAA.
Not much mystery here, but as they say the your eyesight may vary:
(http://s2.photobucket.com/user/martytoo/media/2015-11-15%203_zps0q93iiza.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/martytoo/2015-11-15%203_zps0q93iiza.jpg)
Bourbonnais played a bit of music on the boards with his head. Of course the retired pee wee refs in section 7 saw this differently too. They always have better view than the zebras on the ice.
Since RPI TV had the overhead view that the refs were entitled to see it isn't really fair to compare this to a hypthetical cell phone camera.
I'm amazed at the Brown team that won two in OT this weekend. Parity is an interesting dance partner.
Quote from: upprdecki thought the rule said if tv replay was available they could use it not that it had to be used.
The NCAA rule book (http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4363-2014-15-and-2015-16-ice-hockey-rules-and-interpretations-due-late-fall-2014.aspx) goes into detail on how a review using replay is to be conducted, under what cicumstatnces, how the off-ice video replay official interacts with the referee, and so forth. The current rule book is completely silent on what constitutes a minimal or ideal video camera configuration, who provides it, how it is operated, or anything else about acquiring images. I can't fnd anything that looks like league rules on the ECACHL web site (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/index) except for the tournament seeding rules.
Very true. Especially about Section 7. But I think Ralph's point was that RPI can't decline the "win" because the game ended in a tie. But maybe now the endemic RPI attitude that the refs are always screwing them will go away.
Naaaaahhhhhhhh. They'll say they were owed that one.::wank::
Quote from: TimVVery true. Especially about Section 7. But I think Ralph's point was that RPI can't decline the "win" because the game ended in a tie. But maybe now the endemic RPI attitude that the refs are always screwing them will go away.
Naaaaahhhhhhhh. They'll say they were owed that one.::wank::
Yes, that was my point.
The refs
almost always screw us. :) They did count George Servinis's goal in the 1985 NCAA final despite the fact that he was offside.
Quote from: ursusminorThe refs almost always screw us. They did count George Servinis's goal in the 1985 NCAA final despite the fact that he was offside.
I'd say you still come out ahead.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ursusminorThe refs almost always screw us. They did count George Servinis's goal in the 1985 NCAA final despite the fact that he was offside.
I'd say you still come out ahead.
At this point, I'd trade that for years of constant bad calls.
Really, I'd kind of pay a little bit of money to hear the Brown Radio Guys' (heretofore: BRG) call on this. After all, the only reason they haven't won 6 straight NCAA championships at this point is because of an all-encompasing conspiracy by the stone-cutters' guild of hockey referees to make sure every call goes against Brown. Proven by the fact that an inferior crosstown school was handed the championship in April just to rub it in.
Quote from: David HardingQuote from: upprdecki thought the rule said if tv replay was available they could use it not that it had to be used.
The NCAA rule book (http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4363-2014-15-and-2015-16-ice-hockey-rules-and-interpretations-due-late-fall-2014.aspx) goes into detail on how a review using replay is to be conducted, under what cicumstatnces, how the off-ice video replay official interacts with the referee, and so forth. The current rule book is completely silent on what constitutes a minimal or ideal video camera configuration, who provides it, how it is operated, or anything else about acquiring images. I can't fnd anything that looks like league rules on the ECACHL web site (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/index) except for the tournament seeding rules.
The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel approved several changes to the criteria for allowing video replay in men's and women's ice hockey, effective for the 2014-15 season.
It was clarified that the video used for replays may come from any source that is available to the game officials. Previously, the video used was required to come from a television broadcast.
Fascinating that RPI TV if not the officials had the replay and it appears - more than appears - the shot by Brown went in. This could have been a chance for RPI to have its own Fifth Down Game moment of honor.
the ECAC should be asking why the refs never tried to see the TV replay when its an RPI game and everyone knows TV replay is available.,
Quote from: upprdeckthe ECAC should be asking why the refs never tried to see the TV replay when its an RPI game and everyone knows TV replay is available.,
I'm not going to put that on the refs unless they ignored a protocol that already exists. The rules should specifically spell out the order of precedence for replays, and where they're allowed to stop (i.e., let's say the rink replay exists but so does a better TV replay -- are they permitted to view the TV replay or does the rink replay availability mean full stop?). The refs should only be charged with execution, not policy.
It's clear that Brown scored and that the refs blew the call, but bad calls abound. This was not a procedural issue like the 5th down. That would be something like the clock not running for a couple extra minutes in overtime and not being corrected. In that case, were I the beneficiary, I would petition to have the result changed. But this is just a really awful judgment call mistake. It happens -- ask Armando Galarraga.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: upprdeckthe ECAC should be asking why the refs never tried to see the TV replay when its an RPI game and everyone knows TV replay is available.,
I'm not going to put that on the refs unless they ignored a protocol that already exists. The rules should specifically spell out the order of precedence for replays, and where they're allowed to stop (i.e., let's say the rink replay exists but so does a better TV replay -- are they permitted to view the TV replay or does the rink replay availability mean full stop?). The refs should only be charged with execution, not policy.
It's clear that Brown scored and that the refs blew the call, but bad calls abound. This was not a procedural issue like the 5th down. That would be something like the clock not running for a couple extra minutes in overtime and not being corrected. In that case, were I the beneficiary, I would petition to have the result changed. But this is just a really awful judgment call mistake. It happens -- ask Armando Galarraga.
It was procedural in the the replay didn't work. Once it was seen, there was a goal. So RPI should concede. I don't see the difference from a fifth down. We're not talking about the blown call, but the replay not working.
the procedure says use any replay available. first question every game should be, what replays does this rink have and how do we access it. every place in the ECAC has to provide a replay assistant to the ref's. they all have it in a room for the ref's for the most part, but rpi knows the system they have and they know RPI has tv replay available so they should make it clear to the refs before the game starts. every place has issues , but if you have more than one system available you should plan on being able to access both if needed.
Quote from: Jim HylaIt was procedural in the the replay didn't work. Once it was seen, there was a goal. So RPI should concede. I don't see the difference from a fifth down. We're not talking about the blown call, but the replay not working.
I don't agree, as it is still a judgment call. However I would say RPI would get 100x more out of conceding the game than it ever will get from the win. With the sports networks and hot takes going 24/7 they would become the symbol of Genuinely Nice Planet for a generation of sports fans.
Even better is if they offered the concession and Brown declined.
Neither OT goals at RPI made the cut here but it appears that Colgate has entered the ancient nine if you listen to the announcer. Number four for the week for a freshman is nice but so is the number one goal which seems to have had at least three assists.::whistle::
Here is the week's top 5 (http://www.ncaa.com/video/icehockey-men)
The NoDak goal is a thing of beauty....
Quote from: drs48The NoDak goal is a thing of beauty....
Wow!!!
Quote from: drs48The NoDak goal is a thing of beauty....
one of the best scoring plays I've seen at any level of hockey
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: drs48The NoDak goal is a thing of beauty....
one of the best scoring plays I've seen at any level of hockey
If I were watching that live I might start crying like Catholics do when they meet the Pope.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: drs48The NoDak goal is a thing of beauty....
one of the best scoring plays I've seen at any level of hockey
If I were watching that live I might start crying like Catholics do when they meet the Pope.
Yeah, the first four goals were relatively ho-hum (nice finish by Angello, put his shot exactly where he wanted it, but not like it was anything that spectacular) and then holy crap.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: scoop85Quote from: drs48The NoDak goal is a thing of beauty....
one of the best scoring plays I've seen at any level of hockey
If I were watching that live I might start crying like Catholics do when they meet the Pope.
Yeah, the first four goals were relatively ho-hum (nice finish by Angello, put his shot exactly where he wanted it, but not like it was anything that spectacular) and then holy crap.
Jaw dropping. Easiest #1 choice in recent memory.
Of course if any of those passes happened to be broken up or mishandled, there's the chorus of "why didn't he just SHOOOT?" and complaints that they were trying to be too fancy.
Here it is isolated (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhyH-_GLOUo).
Total homer move, but I love the announcer hypothesizing that the officials were reviewing the play because they wanted to see it a bunch of times just like everybody else.
Funny, nobody mentions they caught Miami in a line change or that the situation was essentially 4-on-2. It's testimony to North Dakota's skill that they made all those passes, but they weren't under much pressure or moving down the ice at a particularly high speed. Instead, the passes just isolated one of the defenders along the boards and made the other, remaining defender have to decide between 3 other players.
I wish I could see a video of it to compare, and perhaps my mind is seeing it through red-tinted glasses, but the greatest goal I've ever seen in college hockey was in the 1966 ECAC Holiday Festival Tournament. Cornell was playing defending national champion Michigan State. With the game in overtime, Doug Ferguson forechecked in the neighborhood of Michigan State's blue line, took the puck puck away, raced down ice on a break, and at full speed dropped a pass to a trailing Mike Doran, totally faking out the goalie as Doran shot the puck into the upper right of the net.
Oh, if we only had video cameras back then. Instead, sports journalists had to sketch the action, and we had to take turns viewing the pictures with a camera obscura. And we liked it!
Quote from: SwampyOh, if we only had video cameras back then. Instead, sports journalists had to sketch the action, and we had to take turns viewing the pictures with a camera obscura. And we liked it!
The goal judge hung lanterns.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyOh, if we only had video cameras back then. Instead, sports journalists had to sketch the action, and we had to take turns viewing the pictures with a camera obscura. And we liked it!
The goal judge hung lanterns.
And old guys on skates pushed tanks of water around the ice to resurface it.
Oh, wait...that's true.
WaP editorial on Brown's goal:
https://twitter.com/without_a_peer/status/667383842576146433
Quote from: ursusminorWaP editorial on Brown's goal:
https://twitter.com/without_a_peer/status/667383842576146433
Could've said exactly the same thing in many fewer words:
"Oh well, someone else got screwed and we benefited; whaddaya gonna do?"
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyOh, if we only had video cameras back then. Instead, sports journalists had to sketch the action, and we had to take turns viewing the pictures with a camera obscura. And we liked it!
The goal judge hung lanterns.
And old guys on skates pushed tanks of water around the ice to resurface it.
Uphill, both ways.
Quote from: ursusminorWaP editorial on Brown's goal:
https://twitter.com/without_a_peer/status/667383842576146433
The tweet (which I can't cut and paste here at work) makes comment about RPI TV's HD camera over the net. So is "without peer" claiming two cameras over the net or did RPI TV donate a better than average cam for the cause? Houston has to have the overhead shot available for the refs and either I'm confused by this or "wap" is perhaps just a little sloppy with their comment.
When reading the newspaper explanation I just assumed the feed from the overhead cam wasn't available on ice even though it was available on the RPI equipment.
I may need to bring my opera glasses to the game on the 24th to search for the second camera.::woot::
marty,
I don't know, but it sounds like there are two systems.
Pretty sure I saw both up there when I was helping film this weekend's games, but RPITV has used two different above-goal cameras. The original, league-mandated camera (SD only) and the RPITV camera (1080p). Included clips of what each looks like below.
RPI vs Yale from Feb 2013, showing the SD camera for replay. (http://rpitv.org/productions/545-hockey-vs-yale) Relevant footage at timestamp 12:09 of the 1st period video
RPI vs BC from October, showing the HD camera. (https://youtu.be/eCyddxZcyRc?t=1h50m19s) Already queued up to relevant time.
I believe the official replay system still uses the original SD camera
Thanks.
the question is why any replay system is using such outdated equipment when good stuff is not really that costly these days? cornell is pretty much in the same boat. the teams should find a sponser and every time they go to the replay system throw the name out.. a few hunder dollars and problem solved.
Sheesh. RPI-TV has in-net goalie cams and high-def overhead cams.
I do envy that, and admire them for it. But to be fair, it's their only Division 1 sport, and the athletic department offers 21 intercollegiate sports to our 35 or so.
RPI TV is a well established club that builds year by year with great alumni support. They're legitimate geeks in the good sense and as you can tell I'm impressed.
so is there a reason that cornell cant do the same, or is it because we are an ivy we have to use the lower quality digital network?
It seems that SLU/QU decided to follow in the footsteps of Cornell and Yale yesterday. Not one team in the league had a 4-point weekend.
Some observations about the current ECAC standings that may be of some interest...
--the top four teams are separated by one point.
--two teams are one and two points back, so the top six teams are separated by three points.
--the bottom six teams are separated by only two points
--there is one team from each travelling pair in the top half and one team from each travelling pair in the bottom half.
--the travelling pairs' point totals all equal 12, except for Harvard/Dartmouth, leading with 13, and St. Lawrence/Clarkson, trailing with 9.
Quote from: andyw2100--the travelling pairs' point totals all equal 12, except for Harvard/Dartmouth, leading with 13, and St. Lawrence/Clarkson, trailing with 9.
That's a great stat idea, and it will show up at some point in TBRW as a historical analysis.
Typically, there are good pairs and bad pairs. This is atypical for being a season in which the quality is spread evenly across all pairs.
First draft. (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_History/ecac_Traveling_Partners.html)
ECAC Traveling Partners, total points. (Highlighting is top pair per season.)
Quote from: TimVI do envy that, and admire them for it. But to be fair, it's their only Division 1 sport, and the athletic department offers 21 intercollegiate sports to our 35 or so.
I suspect that you know it, but women's ice hockey is also D-I at RPI.
Quote from: TrotskyFirst draft. (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_History/ecac_Traveling_Partners.html)
ECAC Traveling Partners, total points. (Highlighting is top pair per season.)
Interesting stuff. I suggest adding a footnote that Army played everyone else only once per year. It also might be interesting to calculate the average for each of the three eras. E.g., how do the sets of travel partners rank on average since QU has been in the league.
Or, why we probably need Princeton to get better before Quinnipiac leaves for Hockey East.
(To answer: Notre Dame will jump West; QU will take their spot in a 12-team HE. Since the ECAC will probably take in RIT, our travel partnership with Colgate will get split up and we'll be put with Princeton for "Ivy something or other." )
Quote from: andyw2100Some observations about the current ECAC standings that may be of some interest...
--the top four teams are separated by one point.
--two teams are one and two points back, so the top six teams are separated by three points.
--the bottom six teams are separated by only two points
--there is one team from each travelling pair in the top half and one team from each travelling pair in the bottom half.
--the travelling pairs' point totals all equal 12, except for Harvard/Dartmouth, leading with 13, and St. Lawrence/Clarkson, trailing with 9.
Also: Top six teams are all at .667 or above; bottom six at .333 or below. Haves and have nots.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyFirst draft. (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_History/ecac_Traveling_Partners.html)
ECAC Traveling Partners, total points. (Highlighting is top pair per season.)
Interesting stuff. I suggest adding a footnote that Army played everyone else only once per year.
Um, what?
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: TrotskyFirst draft. (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_History/ecac_Traveling_Partners.html)
ECAC Traveling Partners, total points. (Highlighting is top pair per season.)
Interesting stuff. I suggest adding a footnote that Army played everyone else only once per year.
Um, what?
In '85 and '86 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ecac_Standings/ecacStandings_frame.html) Army had an 11-game conference schedule.
Quote from: TrotskyThat's a great stat idea, and it will show up at some point in TBRW as a historical analysis.
Typically, there are good pairs and bad pairs. This is atypical for being a season in which the quality is spread evenly across all pairs.
Glad you like it! (I didn't realize it was a novel idea. :) )
Sorry Ralph. I meant Hockey in general. I counted both men's and women's sports separately in the overall counts of the sports offered.
Quote from: TimVSorry Ralph. I meant Hockey in general. I counted both men's and women's sports separately in the overall counts of the sports offered.
No problem
Syphilis sighting (http://www.uscho.com/2015/11/25/despite-glut-of-ties-dont-expect-to-see-shootouts-in-ecac-hockey/).
Quote from: TrotskySyphilis sighting (http://www.uscho.com/2015/11/25/despite-glut-of-ties-dont-expect-to-see-shootouts-in-ecac-hockey/).
Strange error concerning which teams have played only five games. Should be Clarkson and St Lawrence. And on a sad note for him, freshman Tironese of RPI mentioned here is out with
season ending shoulder surgery.
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskySyphilis sighting (http://www.uscho.com/2015/11/25/despite-glut-of-ties-dont-expect-to-see-shootouts-in-ecac-hockey/).
Strange error concerning which teams have played only five games. Should be Clarkson and St Lawrence. And on a sad note for him, freshman Tironese of RPI mentioned here is out with
season ending shoulder surgery.
He also had a shoulder injury which ended his season a year ago with Alberni Valley (BCHL).
Quote from: "Saturday's 0-0 tie between St. Lawrence and Quinnipiac was the first scoreless game in the history of the Saints' program — a span of 2,083 games dating to the 1925-26 season.
This is an incredible statistic.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: "Saturday's 0-0 tie between St. Lawrence and Quinnipiac was the first scoreless game in the history of the Saints' program — a span of 2,083 games dating to the 1925-26 season.
This is an incredible statistic.
Absolutely!
Cornell's history of 0-0 games:
01/20/23 vs. Clarkson ... Coach Nick Bawlf
03/04/89 at Clarkson (D'Alessio in goal) ... Coach Brian McCutcheon
11/30/07 vs. UMass (Scrivens) ... Coach Schafer
11/08/08 at Quinnipiac (Scrivens)
01/31/09 at Clarkson (Scrivens)
12/03/11 vs. Clarkson (Iles)
12/28/14 vs. Lake Superior State (Gillam)
11/20/15 at Yale (Gillam)
Out of 8 games... 6 in the Schafer era! 3 in the last 4 seasons! 4 against Clarkson! A 66-year gap between the first and second!
Quote from: imafrshmnQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: "Saturday's 0-0 tie between St. Lawrence and Quinnipiac was the first scoreless game in the history of the Saints' program — a span of 2,083 games dating to the 1925-26 season.
This is an incredible statistic.
Absolutely!
Cornell's history of 0-0 games:
01/20/23 vs. Clarkson ... Coach Nick Bawlf
03/04/89 at Clarkson (D'Alessio in goal) ... Coach Brian McCutcheon
11/30/07 vs. UMass (Scrivens) ... Coach Schafer
11/08/08 at Quinnipiac (Scrivens)
01/31/09 at Clarkson (Scrivens)
12/03/11 vs. Clarkson (Iles)
12/28/14 vs. Lake Superior State (Gillam)
11/20/15 at Yale (Gillam)
Out of 8 games... 6 in the Schafer era! 3 in the last 4 seasons! 4 against Clarkson! A 66-year gap between the first and second!
The 1989 game was particularly interesting. I've discussed it before, but for those that haven't heard about it, it had a very unusual ending. It was an ECAC 1/4final game at the old Walker Arena in Potsdam. At that time the 1/4final playoffs were the first team to get to 3 points. So 2 wins, or a win and a tie, does it. If the games were split, then a 10 min. mini game was played right after the second game.
We won the first game and in the third period, with the game tied 0-0, Clarkson pulled their goalie to try and win, thus setting up the mini game.
Here's the box score, courtesy of TBRW:
March 4, 1989
ECAC Quarterfinal Potsdam, New York
Clarkson (20-13-3) 0 0 0 - 0
Cornell (16-11-1) 0 0 0 - 0
Walker Arena
Saves
Clk T Jason Poirier 59:00 39 x 39
Cor T Corrie D'Alessio 60:00 29 x 29
As you can see, he was pulled at the traditional 1 min. mark. Watching it was one of the more bizarre experiences I've had at a hockey game. I'm glad they ditched that idea for playoffs.
I had an equally bizarre experience relating to that game. I couldn't go to the game & cannot receive the radio broadcast at my home. So, I took my wife to a movie in Ithaca and listened to the game on my Walkman. As the game wore on and it became obvious that a single goal could be sending us to the next round, I began to realize that I needed to work on my self-control. Standing up & yelling in a movie theater can excite some types..... The 0-0 tie worked well for me!!
The minigame produced some interesting strategy. In 1987 RPI defeated Colgate in the first game. They were losing the second game. RPI coach Mike Addesa pulled his goalie on every power play in order to pepper Colgate's goalie and tire him out. The strategy worked in that although RPI lost game 2 they won the minigame.
A lot of league teams are going up against well ranked OOC opponents this weekend. Yale/Providence especially should be good
Brown shuts out Colgate 5-0 in the "Friendship Tournament in Belfast Ireland. Announcers said the game was for ECAC points - don't know if that's right. Brown now gets winner of Mass-Lowell v Northeastern for another OOC game. That Lowell-NEastern game starts shortly on NESN.
Quote from: TimVBrown shuts out Colgate 5-0 in the "Friendship Tournament in Belfast Ireland. Announcers said the game was for ECAC points - don't know if that's right. Brown now gets winner of Mass-Lowell v Northeastern for another OOC game. That Lowell-NEastern game starts shortly on NESN.
That is correct. I read in a tournament preview that Colgate gave up their home game vs Brown so this would count as a league game. Most likely because of the Ivy games limit.
Brown will play at Lynah on Feb. 12 but that'll be their only game for the weekend. That's still a long way from now though
Update: With UML coming back to win their game, tomorrow's matchup would be a golden opportunity for Brown to actually do something noteworthy.
In Belfast, Colgate has the troubles, giving up 5 goals on 9 shots in the second period in the consolation game against Northeastern.
Today could be the ECAC Waterloo, or it could be a day where the conference holds its own. Non-conference schedule:
* Colgate about to lose very badly to Northeastern
* Clarkson should win hosting Arizona State (though they needed a comeback to win by 1 goal last night)
* Cornell anybody's guess vs BU
* Union should lose at Merrimack
* Princeton should lose at Maine
* Yale should lose at Providence though maybe we'll see them emerge
* Quinnipiac should win hosting UMass
* Dartmouth should lose at Michigan
* Brown anybody's guess vs Lowell in the Belfast final
Last night the conference was 4-2 in NC. Tonight they could easily go 3-6 or even 2-7, with all the concomitant PWR consequences.
Brown leading Lowell 5-4 late third.
Union 2-0 over Merrimack after 1st.
Colgate flattened 7-1 by Northeastern.
Bummer: Lowell ties it with a minute left.
Q up 1-0 mid-second.
U now up 3-0 mid-second.
Brown ties Lowell in OT. Shootout now?
Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown leading Lowell 5-4 late third.
Union 2-0 over Merrimack after 1st.
Colgate flattened 7-1 by Northeastern.
Bummer: Lowell ties it with a minute left.
Union now up 3 on the road.
Brown/UML in as a tie.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown leading Lowell 5-4 late third.
Union 2-0 over Merrimack after 1st.
Colgate flattened 7-1 by Northeastern.
Bummer: Lowell ties it with a minute left.
Union now up 3 on the road.
Brown/UML in as a tie.
Three goals for Brown's top line, and they are good.
Quote from: TimVBrown shuts out Colgate 5-0 in the "Friendship Tournament in Belfast Ireland. Announcers said the game was for ECAC points - don't know if that's right. Brown now gets winner of Mass-Lowell v Northeastern for another OOC game. That Lowell-NEastern game starts shortly on NESN.[/quot
While I have always respected the hockey knowledge I have seen displayed on this site I must confess, as a native of the IRELAND, a sense of disappointment re knowledge of European political geography
herein displayed. To wit: Belfast - while it is on the island of Ireland- is correctly (sadly) noted as Belfast, U.K. not part of the 26 County Republic of Ireland. Ever the pedant!
Yale down two early in Providence.
And Yale scores twice in twenty seconds and leads 3-2.
Yale loses 4-3 after Providence gets 2 goals in the 3rd.
Dartmouth and Michigan are currently tied 1-1 late in the 3rd at Yost.
Edit: Those two now in overtime but Dartmouth with a PP after some rather nasty stuff near the end.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioBrown ties Lowell in OT. Shootout now?
There was a shootout and Lowell won, but it is a tie for NCAA purposes.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: Al DeFlorioBrown ties Lowell in OT. Shootout now?
There was a shootout and Lowell won, but it is a tie for NCAA purposes.
As is our game with BU.
I realize the pairwise doesn't mean a heck of a lot this early in the season, but I thought it was interesting that the ECAC has seven teams in the top 16, including the teams at 1 and 2. I don't imagine something like this happens very often.
1 Quinnipiac 59 13-0-2 .9333 1 .6642* 1
2 Harvard 58 6-1-1 .8125 5 .6386* 2
3 Providence 57 9-0-3 .8750 3 .6289* 3
4 St. Cloud State 56 10-3-0 .7692 9 .6242* 4
5 Nebraska-Omaha 55 11-2-1 .8214 4 .6203* 5
6 Boston College 54 12-1-0 .9231 2 .6137* 6
7 North Dakota 53 11-2-2 .8000 6t .5994* 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 52 10-1-4 .8000 6t .5914* 8
9 Cornell 51 6-1-2 .7778 8 .5846* 9
10 Yale 50 5-2-2 .6667 15t .5828* 10
11 St. Lawrence 49 8-3-2 .6923 13 .5826* 11
12t Denver 47 7-3-2 .6667 15t .5741 12
12t Michigan 47 7-2-2 .7273 10 .5728 13
14 Rensselaer 46 8-5-2 .6000 21 .5577 14
15 Merrimack 45 6-2-4 .6667 15t .5444 15
16 Clarkson 44 7-4-2 .6154 19 .5405 16
It does, but historically it was the WCHA that it happened to.
Too bad Brown didn't hold on yesterday. May be one of those little results that has a big impact in March. Between Brown, Cornell, and Yale all leading HEA teams woulda been nice to get at least one W. Throw Dartmouth surrendering the lead in there too...
Despite this, five of the top ten teams in the KRACH (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/krach.php) are ECAC. We're #7 in KRACH and tied with Sucks for #3 in the ECAC.
Thinking ahead to how young we were going to be this year, many of us -- myself included -- did not expect too much. It's still early, but gray skies seem to be clearing up. ::cheer::
how many of the forwards made it back for the BU game?
Quote from: SwampyThinking ahead to how young we were going to be this year, many of us -- myself included -- did not expect too much. It's still early, but gray skies seem to be clearing up. ::cheer::
Same here. I am very happy with what's happened so far.
Quote from: upprdeckhow many of the forwards made it back for the BU game?
Only Hilbrich.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyThinking ahead to how young we were going to be this year, many of us -- myself included -- did not expect too much. It's still early, but gray skies seem to be clearing up. ::cheer::
Same here. I am very happy with what's happened so far.
Not to throw a wet blanket on all this, after all I'm happy as well, but the combined record of opponent games that we won is 14-50-9, lost or tied is 25-6-7. At this stage of the season rankings are heavily weighted to record.
We still need to show that we can beat the good teams and it just so happens that our upcoming schedule allows us an opportunity to do just that. By Jan 10 we should be able to tell how good we really are. I'm hoping that with a healthy team, we can do well, but I suspect if we falter, the Schafer must go birds will come out again (not that I think you 2 are in that class).
The best thing that I see from our early record is that we're beating the teams we should, but often we are having trouble doing that and that's worrisome.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyThinking ahead to how young we were going to be this year, many of us -- myself included -- did not expect too much. It's still early, but gray skies seem to be clearing up. ::cheer::
Same here. I am very happy with what's happened so far.
Not to throw a wet blanket on all this, after all I'm happy as well, but the combined record of opponent games that we won is 14-50-9, lost or tied is 25-6-7. At this stage of the season rankings are heavily weighted to record.
We still need to show that we can beat the good teams and it just so happens that our upcoming schedule allows us an opportunity to do just that. By Jan 10 we should be able to tell how good we really are. I'm hoping that with a healthy team, we can do well, but I suspect if we falter, the Schafer must go birds will come out again (not that I think you 2 are in that class).
The best thing that I see from our early record is that we're beating the teams we should, but often we are having trouble doing that and that's worrisome.
No argument that we have many tough tests ahead. That being said, it's been nice to see the contributions we're getting throughout the lineup, and if we can get some of the walking wounded back to improve the depth, we should have our share of good moments ahead. We're certainly not the most talented team out there, but so far we've been solid in all phases. No question that we're playing much smarter than in recent years, with far fewer dumb penalties.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyThinking ahead to how young we were going to be this year, many of us -- myself included -- did not expect too much. It's still early, but gray skies seem to be clearing up. ::cheer::
Same here. I am very happy with what's happened so far.
Not to throw a wet blanket on all this, after all I'm happy as well, but the combined record of opponent games that we won is 14-50-9, lost or tied is 25-6-7. At this stage of the season rankings are heavily weighted to record.
We still need to show that we can beat the good teams and it just so happens that our upcoming schedule allows us an opportunity to do just that. By Jan 10 we should be able to tell how good we really are. I'm hoping that with a healthy team, we can do well, but I suspect if we falter, the Schafer must go birds will come out again (not that I think you 2 are in that class).
The best thing that I see from our early record is that we're beating the teams we should, but often we are having trouble doing that and that's worrisome.
We have "lost or tied" three games, all against quality teams, and all games went to OT. I think the early signs are pretty good. Not national title good but "put the cap back on the panic button" good. The biggest issue I have so far is the third period of games against strong teams. I wonder if conditioning/youth is an issue.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyThinking ahead to how young we were going to be this year, many of us -- myself included -- did not expect too much. It's still early, but gray skies seem to be clearing up. ::cheer::
Same here. I am very happy with what's happened so far.
Not to throw a wet blanket on all this, after all I'm happy as well, but the combined record of opponent games that we won is 14-50-9, lost or tied is 25-6-7. At this stage of the season rankings are heavily weighted to record.
We still need to show that we can beat the good teams and it just so happens that our upcoming schedule allows us an opportunity to do just that. By Jan 10 we should be able to tell how good we really are. I'm hoping that with a healthy team, we can do well, but I suspect if we falter, the Schafer must go birds will come out again (not that I think you 2 are in that class).
The best thing that I see from our early record is that we're beating the teams we should, but often we are having trouble doing that and that's worrisome.
We have "lost or tied" three games, all against quality teams, and all games went to OT. I think the early signs are pretty good. Not national title good but "put the cap back on the panic button" good. The biggest issue I have so far is the third period of games against strong teams. I wonder if conditioning/youth is an issue.
Or depth.
QU/Yale with a 25-minute headstart over everyone else today. That's easily the game of the weekend although Sucks/RPI is tomorrow.
Quote from: IcebergQU/Yale with a 25-minute headstart over everyone else today. That's easily the game of the weekend although Sucks/RPI is tomorrow.
RPI is on Time Warner tomorrow for those in upstate NY. Clarkson @ Colgate is on TW tonight. And the Yale game is on SNY tonight,too.
Quote from: IcebergQU/Yale with a 25-minute headstart over everyone else today. That's easily the game of the weekend although Sucks/RPI is tomorrow.
and no ILDN. It's on American Sports Network, SportsNetNY in Syracuse.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: IcebergQU/Yale with a 25-minute headstart over everyone else today. That's easily the game of the weekend although Sucks/RPI is tomorrow.
and no ILDN. It's on American Sports Network, SportsNetNY in Syracuse.
In the Albany area ch 6, the CBS affiliate, has been showing American Sports Network hockey on Friday and basketball on Saturday for a few weeks. This is on their d2 digital offering, not on the primary channel.
I have been wondering if this is going on in other markets.
QU with a decisive 3-0 victory at Yale. And RPI gets handed their first conference loss of the season. That Dartmouth goaltender Buffalo has had two very good games.
And PU over Brown, 4-2. Onion leading Sucks 4-3 w/ about 15 min. left.
Quote from: SwampyAnd PU over Brown, 4-2. Onion leading Sucks 4-3 w/ about 15 min. left.
With the Harvard-Union tie, Cornell sits alone in 2nd, 1 point back of QU.
To further illustrate how dumb PWR is this time of year, with Dartmouth's win vs. RPI, they are currently #16 in the nation with a 3-5-1 record, according to the CHN app.
This also demonstrates the benefit of playing in a strong league.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: SwampyAnd PU over Brown, 4-2. Onion leading Sucks 4-3 w/ about 15 min. left.
With the Harvard-Union tie, Cornell sits alone in 2nd, 1 point back of QU.
To further illustrate how dumb PWR is this time of year, with Dartmouth's win vs. RPI, they are currently #16 in the nation with a 3-5-1 record, according to the CHN app.
This also demonstrates the benefit of playing in a strong league.
Ten years ago Dartmouth would be that WCHA team everyone would say deserves a tourney bid over the ECAC champ.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: RichHQuote from: SwampyAnd PU over Brown, 4-2. Onion leading Sucks 4-3 w/ about 15 min. left.
With the Harvard-Union tie, Cornell sits alone in 2nd, 1 point back of QU.
To further illustrate how dumb PWR is this time of year, with Dartmouth's win vs. RPI, they are currently #16 in the nation with a 3-5-1 record, according to the CHN app.
This also demonstrates the benefit of playing in a strong league.
Ten years ago Dartmouth would be that WCHA team everyone would say deserves a tourney bid over the ECAC champ.
This is dumb in December. But if (and this is a big if) the ECAC keeps up their non-conference strength it may stll be the case in March. And it will still be dumb. But at least it would be working in our favor.
If Cornell had not given up that fourth goal against Q there would only be six ECAC teams in the top 16. But the top three would be Cornell, Quinnipiac, Harvard in that order.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: "Saturday's 0-0 tie between St. Lawrence and Quinnipiac was the first scoreless game in the history of the Saints' program — a span of 2,083 games dating to the 1925-26 season.
This is an incredible statistic.
RPI and Harvard tied 0-0. RPI's first scoreless tie since 1/29/1927.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: "Saturday's 0-0 tie between St. Lawrence and Quinnipiac was the first scoreless game in the history of the Saints' program — a span of 2,083 games dating to the 1925-26 season.
This is an incredible statistic.
RPI and Harvard tied 0-0. RPI's first scoreless tie since 1/29/1927.
Sucks put on a clinic in the first two periods. RPI seemed to refuel during the second intermission and Harvard ran out of gas. Still there were pipes and cross bars ringing all night long. Kasdorf was back after a recent injury and looked great. But so did Madsen.
Check out the video of the first period. It looked like Harvard was wielding the epee at times and we were impressed with their ability to stick handle while skating in circles around RPI.
An entertaining 0-0.
Yale seems to have seriously entrenched themselves into a downward spiral. They host BU at home next weekend so they have a chance to not go into the break with 4 straight losses.
There's been so much attention to the ECAC's performance at the top of PWR that it may be neglected that we have no "bottom feeder" teams, at least so far.
Typically even in years where there have been two or three top ranked ECAC teams, we have also had teams in the mid to lower 50s. Not this year. The worst PWR for an ECAC team today is 42. Compare the worst PWR by conference:
AH (60, 59, 55, 54, 52, 50)
Big Ten (58, 48)
WCHA (57, 51, 47, 44)
NCHC (56)
HE (53, 46, 45, 43)
Indy (49)
ECAC (42)
Quote from: TrotskyThere's been so much attention to the ECAC's performance at the top of PWR that it may be neglected that we have no "bottom feeder" teams, at least so far.
Typically even in years where there have been two or three top ranked ECAC teams, we have also had teams in the mid to lower 50s. Not this year. The worst PWR for an ECAC team today is 42. Compare the worst PWR by conference:
AH (60, 59, 55, 54, 52, 50)
Big Ten (58, 48)
WCHA (57, 51, 47, 44)
NCHC (56)
HE (53, 46, 45, 43)
Indy (49)
ECAC (42)
I think one follows from the other. If a concference has a lot of highly ranked teams then the SoS affect raises the ranking of the bottom teams. We saw this consistently with the WCHA back in the day.
That said, I look at the ECAC standings and I don't see any teams that are obviously horrible. Brown has the worst overall record and they looked pretty good when we played them (and are #14 in SoS according to KRACH). Clarkson is winless in conference but they too looked good for a bunch of Saturday's game and have 7 wins out of conference. I think the ECAC really is much better from top to bottom.
There are a ton of ECAC/HE matchups this weekend with important pairwise implications. BU visits Yale and QU (the former game on ESPN3) while SLU and Vermont have a home-and-home. Even the Dartmouth/UNH and Union/Massachusetts games have some significance.
Go ECAC.
Quote from: IcebergThere are a ton of ECAC/HE matchups this weekend with important pairwise implications. BU visits Yale and QU (the former game on ESPN3) while SLU and Vermont have a home-and-home. Even the Dartmouth/UNH and Union/Merrimack games have some significance.
In theory one can watch the QPAC home games for free on the net. I've tried to watch the end of two games after watching Cornell and have found I can't get in. If interested you should tune in before the virtual rink is sold out.
Quote from: IcebergThere are a ton of ECAC/HE matchups this weekend with important pairwise implications. BU visits Yale and QU (the former game on ESPN3) while SLU and Vermont have a home-and-home. Even the Dartmouth/UNH and Union/Massachusetts games have some significance.
1-0 BU mid-2nd
Yale ties at 1 and goes on 5-minute man-up with one minute left in 2nd
1-1 now but Yale gets a 5-minute power play after a BU player gets a misconduct for boarding.
Edit: 2-1 Yale now. This game has radically changed in complexion.
Quote from: Iceberg1-1 now but Yale gets a 5-minute power play after a BU player gets a misconduct for boarding.
Edit: 2-1 Yale now. The game has radically changed in complexion.
Yale scores within seconds, 2-1
Yale and Union up 3-1 in the third. RPI up 4-0. Princeton, Dartmouth, and SLU all losing by cumulative 13-2 score, all in the third.
UMass ties Union at 3 mid-third; UHN with 5 goals on 14 shots against Dartmouth.
BU makes it 3-2 on a pp. 2:42 left
Princeton scores 3 quick ones in 3:17 to make it 4-3 PSU
Yale holds on 3-2
Union survives a major with 4 minutes left in regulation and wins 4-3 with 9 seconds left OT
Princeton and SLU lose and Dartmouth trails 5-2 with 12 minutes left after giving up 4 goals on first 6 UHN shots.
3rd-period BU seemed destined to tie the game. That team will be on a mission tommorow
Quote from: Iceberg3rd-period BU seemed destined to tie the game. That team will be on a mission tommorow
Might be tired, too, against a fresh Q.
Quote from: Al DeFlorioYale and Union up 3-1 in the third. RPI up 4-0. Princeton, Dartmouth, and SLU all losing by cumulative 13-2 score, all in the third.
UMass ties Union at 3 mid-third; UHN with 5 goals on 14 shots against Dartmouth.
BU makes it 3-2 on a pp. 2:42 left
Princeton scores 3 quick ones in 3:17 to make it 4-3 PSU
Yale holds on 3-2
Union survives a major with 4 minutes left in regulation and wins 4-3 with 9 seconds left OT
Princeton and SLU lose and Dartmouth trails 5-2 with 12 minutes left after giving up 4 goals on first 6 UHN shots.
Interestingly they had an extra attacker as well.
Quote from: martyQuote from: IcebergThere are a ton of ECAC/HE matchups this weekend with important pairwise implications. BU visits Yale and QU (the former game on ESPN3) while SLU and Vermont have a home-and-home. Even the Dartmouth/UNH and Union/Merrimack games have some significance.
In theory one can watch the QPAC home games for free on the net. I've tried to watch the end of two games after watching Cornell and have found I can't get in. If interested you should tune in before the virtual rink is sold out.
BU-Q is on SNY.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: martyQuote from: IcebergThere are a ton of ECAC/HE matchups this weekend with important pairwise implications. BU visits Yale and QU (the former game on ESPN3) while SLU and Vermont have a home-and-home. Even the Dartmouth/UNH and Union/Merrimack games have some significance.
In theory one can watch the QPAC home games for free on the net. I've tried to watch the end of two games after watching Cornell and have found I can't get in. If interested you should tune in before the virtual rink is sold out.
BU-Q is on SNY.
Thank you.
2-1 BU early 2nd
Believe or not, there is a league game this weekend, albeit on Sunday when Union heads up Route 7 to play Vermont in Burlington.
Quote from: IcebergBelieve or not, there is a non-league game this weekend, albeit on Sunday when Union heads up Route 7 to play Vermont in Burlington.
FYP. Unless UVM decided to come back to the ECACHL.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: IcebergBelieve or not, there is a non-league game this weekend, albeit on Sunday when Union Vermont (http://uvmathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mhockey) heads up down Route 7 to play Vermont Union (http://www.unionathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mhockey&) in Burlington Schenectady.
FYP. Unless UVM decided to come back to the ECACHL.
FYP(s).
And despite all my errors, Union wins in overtime. They've been on a surge ever since Thanksgiving.
Lowell skunks Clarkson, 3-0.
Help is on the way for Colgate (http://www.uscho.com/2015/12/28/high-scoring-forward-adam-dauda-enrolls-at-colgate-will-be-eligible-immediately/), conveniently after we have completed our pair with them.
It's not even halfway through the 1st period and Princeton is being obliterated 4-0 at home by QU. And they have another game tomorrow in Hamden.
At the tournament in Vermont...both ECAC teams lose, with Brown getting shutout by Lake Superior and Vermont taking out Colgate.
And then Princeton loses to QU again 4-3 after leading 3-1 after the 1st. The last 3 QU goals were in the 2nd period when Princeton was basically being dominated. I think shots were 19-2 at one point of that period.
If anyone is interested, Harvard vs. Ferris is free on Gopher Sports at 5PM EST. (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/mariucci1.html)
Union leading Merrimack 3-1 in the 3rd period up in Hanover. Merrimack also gets to play Dartmouth tomorrow before they head to Ithaca next weekend.
Free video of QPuke at Northeastern is available. Q losing 3-2 at this point.
And that game ends in a tie. As bad as Northeastern's record is, that team does show up against good opponents.
Meanwhile, Clarkson loses to Bowling Green, which certainly doesn't help the conference OOC record; they play again tomorrow. Harvard is also currently hanging on to a 2-1 lead in the 3rd against the Gophers.
Quote from: IcebergAnd that game ends in a tie. As bad as Northeastern's record is, that team does show up against good opponents.
Meanwhile, Clarkson loses to Bowling Green, which certainly doesn't help the conference OOC record; they play again tomorrow. Harvard is also currently hanging on to a 2-1 lead in the 3rd against the Gophers.
Harvard won in OT over Minny, and BROWN beat Providence in OT today...
A very good day for the league's OOC record with every other team winning except for RPI (assuming Dartmouth doesn't choke).
USCHO on Cornell. (http://www.uscho.com/2016/01/06/cornell-posts-strong-record-but-shows-some-mixed-signals/)
BU at Harvard later on today as well as some league games between Union and QU and RPI and Princeton.
Harvard gives up 3 goals in the last 4 minutes to give one away to BU
Quote from: Cop at LynahHarvard gives up 3 goals in the last 4 minutes to give one away to BU
...surprising absolutely no one.
Quote from: andyw2100Quote from: Cop at LynahHarvard gives up 3 goals in the last 4 minutes to give one away to BU
...surprising absolutely no one.
They're practicing for the Beanpot.
Princeton quietly stole a point from RPI last night, opening up Cornell's gap from third in percentage a tad.
1 .909 Qpc
2 .812 Cor
3 .688 Hvd
4 .667 RPI
5 .643 SLU
6 .500 Yal
Northeastern already with a 2-0 lead over St. Lawrence up in Canton and Princeton trailing Union 1-0 at home. Everything else is scoreless.
QU up 4-0 over Harvard near the end of the 1st period at MSG. It seems like this edition of QU might be just as good if not better than the one that got to the national championship game.
Q doing to Harvard what Ohio State did to us.
Quote from: margolismQ doing to Harvard what Ohio State did to us.
Not any more: 4-3 Q leads late 2nd
Folks at MSG ate getting their money's worth. Now tied with less than 10 minutes left.
Going to overtime at MSG.
And the WHRB announcer has no idea what he's talking about re: OT NCAA tie rules.
Q 5-4 final
So, the good news is Harvard drops a game:
1 .917 Qpc
[color=#d61616]2 .812 Cor[/color]
3 .667 RPI
4 .643 SLU
5 .611 Hvd
6 .500 Yal
Quote from: martyFolks at MSG ate getting their money's worth. Now tied with less than 10 minutes left.
A few friends and I decided to go last night for the experience of college hockey at MSG without the extreme emotional involvement. The reported attendance was around 12,000, but considering that a bunch of the lower bowl sections had a couple dozen people in them, I'd estimate the crowd to be in the 8-9K range. Completely inverted, as the upper bowl clearly had the most people, because that's where all the $25 seats were. Pricing was identical to Red Hot Hockey, $25, $50, $75, $125, $300. It's interesting to note that Harvard is charging $30 this year for the Lynah East game. During intermission, lines were very long upstairs, so I took the elevator downstairs and had no wait at concessions.
Under a careful scientific poll, Quinnipiac's bro-heim fans completely outnumbered Harvard's 6 jerk fans. I read that Yale turned down the offer to play Harvard at MSG for a third go-around, instead opting for a trip to Arizona, so QU was invited instead.
Both bands were much larger than they normally are, but were not mic'ed. Quinnipiac cheerleaders (eye-roll) were not present. During the first intermission, they had some sort of weird display demonstrating a bunch of activities people do on frozen water on different sections of the rink. There was curling, figure skating, sled hockey, and...other things. It was jumbled and confusing. 2nd intermission featured a good ol' pee-wee game. (Not, upon first inspection, more of the QU-Harvard game).
Mark Messier was there, and got big cheers when interviewed on the scoreboard, but Quinnipiac's president got a louder ovation.
Great game. Removing my own bias, the game was interesting as Harvard came back from that deficit. Replacing my bias, it was satisfying to see them lose, as always.
SLU/Clarkson 1-1 headed into the 3rd in Potsdam. St. Lawrence hasn't looked to good recently.
Final: Clarkson 3 - SLU(t) 1
SLU loses again after Jimmy Vesey decides to score a hat trick in the third period of that game. They are sinking fast but still have Dartmouth today.
Quote from: IcebergSLU loses again after Jimmy Vesey decides to score a hat trick in the third period of that game. They are sinking fast but still have Dartmouth today.
And a natural hat trick, in about 5 min, at that.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: IcebergSLU loses again after Jimmy Vesey decides to score a hat trick in the third period of that game. They are sinking fast but still have Dartmouth today.
And a natural hat trick, in about 5 min, at that.
C.J. Young (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008/10/21_harrison.php) laughs.
Speaking of Harvard, they're down 3-0 to Clarkson at home. They'll need a lot more heroics today. SLU also trailing Dartmouth but that's only 2-1 so far.
RPI @ Qpac available with free video feed. No score after one.
The video link is here.
http://www.quinnipiacbobcats.com/index.aspx?path=mhockey
Ice dancing and a 1-0 RPI lead at the second break.
Kasdorf came within 10 seconds (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20160121/ren/qui/) of stealing another one last night.
Quote from: TrotskyKasdorf came within 10 seconds (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/box/final/20160121/ren/qui/) of stealing another one last night.
RPI's a team no one will want to see in the postseason, as Kasdorf is a real X factor
Clarkson going for a 8-1-2 record at home currently leading Brown 3-0 headed into the 3rd. Yale leading SLU for now in nearby Canton. Of course, we'll see both of the North Country teams next week.
Quote from: IcebergClarkson going for a 8-1-2 record at home currently leading Brown 3-0 headed into the 3rd. Yale leading SLU for now in nearby Canton. Of course, we'll see both of the North Country teams next week.
Must win away games in the North Country are not a good thing. But there we are. 7–3 over the last ten would nearly assure 4th. (This is not '96, basically because of the QU outlier.) Yet 7-3 over the last ten is going to be a tough row to hoe. 6-4 might cut it, but you can't count on it.
Even considering recent results, I think we're better than RPI and Dartmouth. And we match up well with Quinnipiac. We need to avoid getting woefully outshot against Clarkson and then really take it to a reeling SLU. Hopefully then a stolen tie at QU without blowing it vs. Princeton. Then it's basically .500 from there out, but circle the away game at Dartmouth and the home game vs. RPI. This is all not going to be easy.
Meanwhile, Harvard has become the team I don't want to see in the postseason at all. Even though I think they got away with a lot of nasty stickwork that should have been called, we're always going to give up a couple more power plays to them than we'll get. Their power play is a thing of beauty, and that's just one facet of the game that we don't match up well with them——period.
Gillam would have to become a goalie he isn't, i.e., a goalie who likes to hold onto the puck rather than control deflections and push the action; our defensive forwards would have to get a lot quicker; and our (very young) defensive corps would need to learn to push the puck like veterans. We're just not there. If we draw them in any round, we're going to lose, like to Yale of old.
(Thankfully, they'll be a very different team next year, and we'll probably be quite a bit better.)
If we keep falling behind we're not going 7-3.
All season we've been doing a bit better than we've looked, to be honest. Past two weekends, we've underperformed how we looked on the ice.
Lost to RPI in a game where we were clearly outplaying them and Kasdorf stood on his head.
Tied Union in a game we should have won.
Lost to Dartmouth in a game where we didn't look great, but let's be honest, Dartmouth had two fluky goals and an empty netter.
Lost to Sucks in a game where we spent a lot of time in their zone and played pretty well against a very good team. None of our shots were on net. Also, their PP crushed us. But we didn't look outplayed by four goals in my opinion.
Plenty of close games tonight. With the exception of SLU leading Colgate 2-0, every other game is either tied or within one goal.
brown coughing up a 3-0 lead against RPI was too bad
5-4 now in Hanover after Dartmouth had a 4-1 lead in the 3rd. It seems that QU has woken up and there's still plenty of time left.
Quote from: Iceberg5-4 now in Hanover after Dartmouth had a 4-1 lead in the 3rd. It seems that QU has woken up and there's still plenty of time left.
7-5 final (http://www.uscho.com/box/mens-hockey/2016/01/29/quinnipiac-vs-dartmouth/), for Q. Sheesh.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Iceberg5-4 now in Hanover after Dartmouth had a 4-1 lead in the 3rd. It seems that QU has woken up and there's still plenty of time left.
7-5 final (http://www.uscho.com/box/mens-hockey/2016/01/29/quinnipiac-vs-dartmouth/), for Q. Sheesh.
I would think that this can't continue all year. They do eventually have to get burned, don't they?
Re the RPI-Brown game. Brown's goalie, Tim Ernst, either isn't particularly good or had an off night. RPI can't come out that flat in the first period and have any hope vs. Yale this evening.
Harvard can't help again. Loses to BC 3-2 in Beanpot.
They never disappoint.
Quote from: Jim HylaHarvard can't help again. Loses to BC 3-2 in Beanpot.
Bean-pot Pat-sies *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
Well, almost priceless.
Quote from: Schenectady GazetteSCHENECTADY — The hockey barn that Union calls home is getting more than a new coat of paint.
A video scoreboard, seating — with backs — that is closer to the boards and a new concession area are part of a $10 renovation plan for Messa Rink at Union College, officials said.
The college has approved fundraising to renovate the nearly 41-year-old facility, Union athletic director Jim McLaughlin said. There is no timetable yet for the project, in part because all the money will come from donations.
"It will be all fund-raised, just like the majority of our capital improvements on campus," McLaughlin said.
The project is slated to include:
— A new video scoreboard.
— A new entrance across from Bailey Field.
— A new floor for the ice surface, along with new boards and glass.
— New coaches' offices.
— New seating. Many of the seats in the lower level will go right to the glass. The lower-level seats will have back support. The upper-level seating will be bleacher seats.
— A hospitality room that will look out not only at the rink, but Bailey Field....
Quote from: martyWell, almost priceless.
Quote from: Schenectady GazetteSCHENECTADY — The hockey barn that Union calls home is getting more than a new coat of paint.
A video scoreboard, seating — with backs — that is closer to the boards and a new concession area are part of a $10 renovation plan for Messa Rink at Union College, officials said.
For $10, they're getting a pretty good bang for their buck!
Quote from: dbilmesQuote from: martyWell, almost priceless.
Quote from: Schenectady GazetteSCHENECTADY — The hockey barn that Union calls home is getting more than a new coat of paint.
A video scoreboard, seating — with backs — that is closer to the boards and a new concession area are part of a $10 renovation plan for Messa Rink at Union College, officials said.
For $10, they're getting a pretty good bang for their buck!
They did fix the typo sometime earlier today.::twak::
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jim HylaHarvard can't help again. Loses to BC 3-2 in Beanpot.
Bean-pot Pat-sies *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
10 minutes left and Harvard down
4-1 5-1 to Northeastern. Not even a natural Vesey Hat-Trick can save them from another 4th place finish. Why does the league keep granting all their scheduling wishes so they can keep getting embarrassed in this silly Boston thing?
And it's a final. NU 5, Sucks 1.
Harvard has lost 3 of 4 and still has RPI, us, and then the North Country trip. The loss tonight dropped them to 11 in PWR. They may just blow it.
Quote from: IcebergThe non-Ivy teams have already played a considerable amount of OOC games and RPI and Harvard swept their travel partners in league games last weekend. Everybody plays this weekend, including the two alleged favorites (Harvard and Yale). We'll see how long that lasts
The Harvard players are now through exams? Unscathed?
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: IcebergThe non-Ivy teams have already played a considerable amount of OOC games and RPI and Harvard swept their travel partners in league games last weekend. Everybody plays this weekend, including the two alleged favorites (Harvard and Yale). We'll see how long that lasts
The Harvard players are now through exams? Unscathed?
Unscathed. And, apparently, unsuspected.::uptosomething::
I didn't want to start a game thread for Saturday before Friday's, so I'll put this here:
The ECAC added an additional game suspension for Yale's top D-man, Rob O'Gara, adding onto the mandatory one-game suspension for the DQ he acquired vs. Harvard. That means he'll be out for the game at Lynah in addition to their game in Hamilton.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/02/10_ecac_adds_game_to_ogara_suspension.php
Kasdorf shuts down Harvard with 49 saves. o_O
Weird stat.
PPChances/Game in ECAC
Cornell 2.7
Opponents 3.2
Take a look back through the collegehockeystats.net (http://collegehockeystats.net): both of these numbers are low by about a chance per game over the last few years and are part of a downward trend over the seasons available on the site.
What's going on with ECAC officiating? I thought that fewer penalties were being called this year. (I'd like to see more cross-checking called, by the way.)
Bring back Harry "the Arm!"
Quote from: Scersk '97Weird stat.
PPChances/Game in ECAC
Cornell 2.7
Opponents 3.2
Take a look back through the collegehockeystats.net (http://collegehockeystats.net): both of these numbers are low by about a chance per game over the last few years and are part of a downward trend over the seasons available on the site.
What's going on with ECAC officiating? I thought that fewer penalties were being called this year. (I'd like to see more cross-checking called, by the way.)
Bring back Harry "the Arm!"
There were at least 2 significant issues that were brought into officiating over the last X years (I could look up when the clutch and grab issue was brought up, but I'm too lazy.)
The first was the emphasis on eliminating obstruction in order to have a faster more free flowing game. The second was the emphasis on cutting out hits that had potential for spinal injury, or concussions.
It took some time, and a lot of penalties, but I think the players have generally responded well. If players don't do it, then fewer penalties need to be called.
So that's my take, not based upon any research, just spouting off.
Union USCHO thread has fans worried that UMass may be about to take a run at Bennett. I must admit I wouldn't mind seeing him gone as a step to returning Union to their natural habitat -- the cellar.
The more I think about it, I could see Dartmouth winning again tomorrow. Aside from the regular season this year, they've typically given Yale fits. And Yale is basically in the NCAA tournament regardless of what happens I think.
Yale loses again tonight despite outshooting Dartmouth by at least 30. Theoretically, Cornell would get Harvard if the stars aligned tomorrow since SLU/Clarkson would get Dartmouth barring a miraculous comeback by RPI.
Quote from: Icebergbarring a miraculous comeback by RPI.
Final was Harvard 8 RPI 2. If we win we get Harvard in the early game.
More bonus hockey in the North Country. 2nd OT coming up soon. Audio is free and can link to it from the ECAC page (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/index).
Bayreuther wins it, SLU advances.
St. Lawrence wins early in 2OT. so 3/4 teams going to Lake Placid decided:
Harvard
Dartmouth
St. Lawrence
LGR!!!
Clarkson, who went to the ECAC F4 in every year in the 90's (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_by_Team.htm), has now missed the F4 for 14 of the ensuing 17 seasons, including the last 9.
Quote from: TrotskyBayreuther wins it, SLU advances.
RPI's Appert was quoted in the Saturday Times Union that in spite of pulling Kasdorf on Friday that he'd be back in goal for game two. But he was hiding the fact that Kasdorf pulled a groin muscle during warmups on Friday. Kas decided not to play on Saturday (http://blog.timesunion.com/hockey/harvard-sweeps-rpi-out-of-ecac-hockey-quarterfinals/20777/) and Cam Hackett had to take 8 (http://scoreboard.uscho.com/game/2246/) for the team.
It might not be the end of Senior Kasdorf's RPI career - though the senior won't see any more college playing time this year. He has a year of eligibility left due to missing almost all of the 13-14 season.
According to USCHO (http://www.uscho.com/pro-signings-2016/), SLU loses junior Christian Horn to the pros. I had never heard of him. He was 4-9-13 in 30 GP of SLU's 37.
Alex Lyon apparently not returning for his senior year at Yale. I really had no idea he'll be the first to leave early under Keith Allain.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160329/yale-goaltender-alex-lyon-to-forgo-senior-season-sign-nhl-contract
Quote from: TrotskyAccording to USCHO (http://www.uscho.com/pro-signings-2016/), SLU loses junior Christian Horn to the pros. I had never heard of him. He was 4-9-13 in 30 GP of SLU's 37.
Must be more to that story, leaving college voluntarily to play in the SPHL doesn't add up.
Quote from: CU2007Quote from: TrotskyAccording to USCHO (http://www.uscho.com/pro-signings-2016/), SLU loses junior Christian Horn to the pros. I had never heard of him. He was 4-9-13 in 30 GP of SLU's 37.
Must be more to that story, leaving college voluntarily to play in the SPHL doesn't add up.
The more probably has to do with Carvel leaving.
Quote from: gjp84Alex Lyon apparently not returning for his senior year at Yale. I really had no idea he'll be the first to leave early under Keith Allain.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160329/yale-goaltender-alex-lyon-to-forgo-senior-season-sign-nhl-contract
Can anybody name a goaltender who made an immediate impact in the NHL other than Ken Dryden? All the collegiate greats, Belfour, Robb Stauber, Tim Thomas, Ryan Miller, Jimmy Howard, Brian Elliott, Yann Danis...all of them took at least 2-3
years after college in the minors to have any staying power at the NHL level. Lyon is solid, but I doubt we'll see him in the NHL before 2018, if at all. I mean, just two years ago, I saw an AHL game where David LeNeveu faced off against Dov Grumet-Morris.
Good ol' nutjob Tim Thomas. Who said at the end of his Vermont days that he was ready to go take over for Patrick Roy in Colorado, but then made his NHL debut 6 years later. He didn't become a regular starter in the NHL until nearly a decade after graduating.
And this is a fine place to take what should be my annual shot at how ridiculous it is that the NATIONAL goaltender award is named for Mike Richter. His two years at Wisconsin were pretty weak, and doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the above list of collegiate goaltenders.
In conclusion and in summary, all college goaltending awards should be named after Dryden, the end.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: gjp84Alex Lyon apparently not returning for his senior year at Yale. I really had no idea he'll be the first to leave early under Keith Allain.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160329/yale-goaltender-alex-lyon-to-forgo-senior-season-sign-nhl-contract
Can anybody name a goaltender who made an immediate impact in the NHL other than Ken Dryden
Scratch Dryden's name from that list, as well... He graduated in 1969..... And didn't impact the NHL until the 1971 Stanley Cup playoffs.....
Quick comes to mind recently. He made it faster than most I think. Not quite immediate though.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: RichHQuote from: gjp84Alex Lyon apparently not returning for his senior year at Yale. I really had no idea he'll be the first to leave early under Keith Allain.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160329/yale-goaltender-alex-lyon-to-forgo-senior-season-sign-nhl-contract
Can anybody name a goaltender who made an immediate impact in the NHL other than Ken Dryden
Scratch Dryden's name from that list, as well... He graduated in 1969..... And didn't impact the NHL until the 1971 Stanley Cup playoffs.....
I'm probably wrong with this, but wasn't that because he chose to do something else first? Law school, I think.
Quote from: SwampyI'm probably wrong with this, but wasn't that because he chose to do something else first? Law school, I think.
I thought Law School was why he took a hiatus in the middle of his NHL career.
Quote from: rediceScratch Dryden's name from that list, as well... He graduated in 1969
That's impossible. ESPN has been telling me all these years he was goaltender for the undefeated 1970 national championship team...
Quote from: Chris '03Quick comes to mind recently. He made it faster than most I think. Not quite immediate though.
Good call. Quick left UMass after 2006-07, and was up in the NHL for good by mid-December 2008. That's a season and a half, and about the quickest (sorry) I've found in the current era.
Our own Darren Eliot '83 spent a year on Team Canada for the Olympics before landing a part-time role in LA for 1984-85.
Brian Hayward '82 split the 82-83 season between AHL and NHL.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyI'm probably wrong with this, but wasn't that because he chose to do something else first? Law school, I think.
I thought Law School was why he took a hiatus in the middle of his NHL career.
+1
And he did play a little AHL hockey.. I recall seeing a newspaper article about a Rochester Amerks game against Montreal's AHL team, where Dryden had 60+ saves in a 6-6 tie... Real sketchy on this memory.. But it was an extraordinary number of saves for Dryden. And, he played for the Canadian National Team 1969-70..
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: rediceScratch Dryden's name from that list, as well... He graduated in 1969
That's impossible. ESPN has been telling me all these years he was goaltender for the undefeated 1970 national championship team...
And we all know that ESPN is never wrong...:-)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: rediceScratch Dryden's name from that list, as well... He graduated in 1969
That's impossible. ESPN has been telling me all these years he was goaltender for the undefeated 1970 national championship team...
Also, the in-game PA announcer for neutral site games, often. I'm pretty sure it was also in a trivia question on the jumbotron at an NCAA game out west.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyI'm probably wrong with this, but wasn't that because he chose to do something else first? Law school, I think.
I thought Law School was why he took a hiatus in the middle of his NHL career.
+1
And he did play a little AHL hockey.. I recall seeing a newspaper article about a Rochester Amerks game against Montreal's AHL team, where Dryden had 60+ saves in a 6-6 tie... Real sketchy on this memory.. But it was an extraordinary number of saves for Dryden. And, he played for the Canadian National Team 1969-70..
After the 1969 NCAAs he joined the Canadian National Team in Stockholm. However that team was disbanded in early 1970, I think because pros were then allowed to play international competition. As an amateur, with the National Team in the fall of 1970, I always assumed he started law school then. But I don't know that for sure. It would make sense since he finished his law requirements in the year off. He played in the AHL 1970-71 till he got called up for that wonderful post-season run.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: rediceQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyI'm probably wrong with this, but wasn't that because he chose to do something else first? Law school, I think.
I thought Law School was why he took a hiatus in the middle of his NHL career.
+1
And he did play a little AHL hockey.. I recall seeing a newspaper article about a Rochester Amerks game against Montreal's AHL team, where Dryden had 60+ saves in a 6-6 tie... Real sketchy on this memory.. But it was an extraordinary number of saves for Dryden. And, he played for the Canadian National Team 1969-70..
After the 1969 NCAAs he joined the Canadian National Team in Stockholm. However that team was disbanded in early 1970, I think because pros were then allowed to play international competition. As an amateur, with the National Team in the fall of 1970, I always assumed he started law school then. But I don't know that for sure. It would make sense since he finished his law requirements in the year off. He played in the AHL 1970-71 till he got called up for that wonderful post-season run.
In '70-'71 Ken attending McGill Law School while also playing for the AHL Nova Scotia Voyageurs. The Habs let him work his AHL schedule so he largely played the weekend games, so he could attend law school. Then he got called up, playing six games at the end of the season and then all 20 playoff games.
Quote from: gjp84Alex Lyon apparently not returning for his senior year at Yale. I really had no idea he'll be the first to leave early under Keith Allain.
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20160329/yale-goaltender-alex-lyon-to-forgo-senior-season-sign-nhl-contract
Lyon signs with Flyers, gives up final season at Yale (http://www.uscho.com/2016/04/06/lyon-signs-with-flyers-gives-up-final-season-at-yale/)
And from Yale Daily News: (http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2016/04/05/mens-hockey-lyon-17-signs-with-philadelphia-flyers/)
QuoteAccording to Lyon, earning a degree remains a priority, and he plans to graduate from Yale in the future. Though no official plan has been detailed, this will most likely come through summer classes this year and a combination of summer classes and online classes in the future to obtain the additional necessary credits.
Meanwhile, Lyon will finish up classes at Yale this semester until he receives more definite plans from Philadelphia.
And:
QuoteHead coach Keith Allain '80, who is seeing a player leave his team early to turn pro for the first time in his 10-year tenure at Yale, expressed nothing but pride and excitement following the news.
Quinnipiac's Pecknold gets Spencer Penrose Award as top Division I men's coach (http://www.uscho.com/2016/04/06/quinnipiacs-pecknold-gets-spencer-penrose-award-as-top-division-i-mens-coach/)
Quote from: Jim HylaQuinnipiac's Pecknold gets Spencer Penrose Award as top Division I men's coach (http://www.uscho.com/2016/04/06/quinnipiacs-pecknold-gets-spencer-penrose-award-as-top-division-i-mens-coach/)
That's 3 ECAC coaches (Leaman, Bennett) out of the last 6, after a 10 year dry spell.
Mike had his shot in '03 but he was beaten out by Bob Daniels of Ferris, who has since gone on to win it again.
To some of us, it's just the name of a Trophy:
ECAC Mourns the Loss of Legendary Commissioner, Scotty Whitelaw (http://www.ecacsports.com/news/2015-16/Scotty_Whitelaw)
Looks like Kasdorf starting for the Sabres tonight.
Look who's trying to get the SLU head coaching position. (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/04/12_hurlbut_out_of_running_at.php)
QuoteOther favorites for the job include ..... former Clarkson head coach Mark Morris, who is currently coaching with the Charlotte Checkers of the AHL and is known to have applied;
That would be fun.
Quote from: Jim HylaThat would be fun.
If by "fun" you mean SLU likely entering a period of dominating the league...
What ousted Morris at Clarkson was never made completely clear. There was, of course, the altercation with a player at the end of a practice, the details of which remained somewhat in dispute, if I remember correctly. But one got the sense that dissatisfaction, perhaps both ways, had been brewing for some time.
Whoever Morris might be as a coach or as a person, he got results.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jim HylaThat would be fun.
If by "fun" you mean SLU likely entering a period of dominating the league...
What ousted Morris at Clarkson was never made completely clear. There was, of course, the altercation with a player at the end of a practice, the details of which remained somewhat in dispute, if I remember correctly. But one got the sense that dissatisfaction, perhaps both ways, had been brewing for some time.
Whoever Morris might be as a coach or as a person, he got results.
I was more thinking Clarkson-SLU fun.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Jim HylaThat would be fun.
If by "fun" you mean SLU likely entering a period of dominating the league...
What ousted Morris at Clarkson was never made completely clear. There was, of course, the altercation with a player at the end of a practice, the details of which remained somewhat in dispute, if I remember correctly. But one got the sense that dissatisfaction, perhaps both ways, had been brewing for some time.
Whoever Morris might be as a coach or as a person, he got results.
I was more thinking Clarkson-SLU fun.
And we're off:
https://twitter.com/ice_chip/status/727501540609654784
Dogs and cats living together...
Quote from: TrotskyDogs and cats living together...
I thought it was a matter of elephants.::bolt::
Quote from: martyQuote from: TrotskyDogs and cats living together...
I thought it was a matter of elephants.::bolt::
Were there elephants in Potsdam, too? I thought that was just a UVM thing.
And here it is:
ECAC article on his hire. (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/members/st._lawrence/20160305_Morris_Named_HC_SLU)
Quoten addition to the AHL, Morris' experience includes coaching positions for teams in the NHL and NCAA Division I. He holds the unique distinction of being the only coach to have won 300 college games and over 300 professional games. He is the seventh all-time winningest coach in the AHL and has the third highest win total among active AHL coaches. In the NHL, Morris earned two Stanley Cup rings while developing players for the Los Angeles Kings and also served as an assistant coach for the Florida Panthers.
While coaching in the ECAC, Morris has won five regular season championships and three tournament championships. Morris' teams had appeared in nine NCAA tournaments including 3 quarterfinals and one Frozen Four. During that time he coached 12 future NHL players, nine All-Americans, five Olympians, and three Hobey Baker finalists. Morris earned ECAC Coach of the Year honors two times.
QuoteMorris is not the only member of his family with a passion for hockey. His oldest son, Michael, played men's hockey at SUNY-Geneseo. His daughter Emily played four years at University of Wisconsin, serving as team captain during her senior year and won two Women's NCAA Frozen Four National Championships. His daughter Leah played goal at The Taft School and earned a Fine Arts degree at Boston University. His youngest son, Kevin, is finishing up his senior year and fourth-year of playing for Miami University of Ohio, where the rink is named after St. Lawrence alumnus Steve Cady '75.
CHN (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/05/03_st_lawrence_brings_proven.php)
QuoteMorris rehabilitated his career at Northwood and in the AHL, where he won over 300 games, becoming the only coach ever to reach that mark in both the NCAA and the professional ranks. He got a boost when he coached then-Los Angeles Kings assistant general manager Ron Hextall's son, Brett, at Northwood. Hextall then helped Morris land the job with Manchester. Coincidentally, Brett went on to play at North Dakota under Dave Hakstol, while Ron Hextall went on to become general manager of the Philadelphia Flyers. Hextall then hired Hakstol to coach the Flyers last year.
Quote from: \\"To be a classy person, to do everything to represent yourself, your family and your institution the best you can, those are the ideals I stand for,\\" Morris said. \\"I want to make sure everybody understands that you're a part of something way bigger.\\"
USCHO (http://www.uscho.com/2016/05/03/former-clarkson-coach-mark-morris-leaves-ahl-post-to-lead-st-lawrence/)
You have to think that this allows SLU to continue to shine.
This is a great interview with Morris:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/05/16_qa_with__st_lawrence.php
I thought this was the most interesting part:
QuoteCHN: Having been away from the college game, and obviously the sport has evolved with the Big Ten and other factors, but what do you see as the biggest changes in college hockey since you left Clarkson?
Morris: Well, I'm learning quickly. The one thing I find frightening is how competitive it is from a recruiting standpoint. I think that's probably the biggest difference. The game is the same, but how coaches have respect for one another from a recruiting standpoint and how that all plays out is something that's different. It's extremely competitive, but the one thing about hockey that I've always held near and dear is the respect factor. If that doesn't exist, then shame on us.
We, as a coaching body, we need to get back to where we have ethical behavior in the way we bring these kids into the game and how we respect one another and the programs we run.
Huh. One can read volumes between the lines of Morris' statement about recruiting.
Schafer should write a book after he retires and just tell all the "do not ever tell" stories.
Or just get drunk and tell me. That's really all I care about. ;-)
Quote from: TrotskyHuh. One can read volumes between the lines of Morris' statement about recruiting.
Schafer should write a book after he retires and just tell all the "do not ever tell" stories.
Or just get drunk and tell me. That's really all I care about. ;-)
Maybe you should just get drunk. Then you might not care about what he would tell you. ::drunk::
Men's ECAC All-Academic Teams announced. (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2016-17/News/M_All-Academic_Team.pdf)
Here's the women's link. (http://www.ecachockey.com/women/2016-17/News/W_All-Academic_Team.pdf)
Quote from: Jim HylaMen's ECAC All-Academic Teams announced. (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2016-17/News/M_All-Academic_Team.pdf)
A guide to the gut majors at each school. ;-)
According to some of my ears, Baker Rink has had some significant flooding issues recently. I wonder if some renovations are in order for that place. Of course, the building is ancient.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaMen's ECAC All-Academic Teams announced. (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2016-17/News/M_All-Academic_Team.pdf)
A guide to the gut majors at each school. ;-)
At Dartmouth and Yale, it is "Undeclared". :-)