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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: interested on March 23, 2003, 07:45:48 PM

Title: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: interested on March 23, 2003, 07:45:48 PM
http://msn.espn.go.com/ncaa/s/wodonpicks.html
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Jim Hyla on March 23, 2003, 08:07:15 PM
No, not to win it all, but to beat us.:-(

Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Alan on March 23, 2003, 08:07:47 PM
Shame on you Adam!

Just Kidding! No one can say that he wasn't objective!
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Josh '99 on March 23, 2003, 08:53:33 PM
Adam has as much faith in the team as the rest of us.  He just didn't want to woof in such a highly visible forum.  :-D

Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Erik on March 23, 2003, 09:18:51 PM
Who is Adam? A cornell alumni?
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Tom Shen \'01 \'02 on March 24, 2003, 01:08:56 AM
Adam Wodon is the voice of Big Red hockey.
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: adamw on March 24, 2003, 01:45:18 AM
Folks ... please don't take those picks seriously.

I didn't even realize this was a topic of controversy until I just got home.

I never, ever make public predictions.  I was forced to - and basically, was trying not to be biased, and not to put the whammy on.

It's just a cockamamie bracket.  It means nothing - and I've explained that to the coaches and players.

I never make predictions, because in sports, it's way too easy to be wrong .... There's a number of teams capable of winning it all, and there's absolutely no reason why Cornell can't be one of them.

Hope that clears that all up.
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: ugarte on March 24, 2003, 01:55:30 AM
From my perspective, I wouldn't say that "controversy" is the right word - but you can hardly expect that we wouldn't notice, Adam.

I assumed nothing more than that you picked who you felt would win at the time you were filling out the brackets, and might not feel that way tomorrow.  I also assume that you would rather be wrong than right about the Cornell/BC game, should that be the second round matchup.



Post Edited (03-24-03 01:56)
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: adamw on March 24, 2003, 01:58:10 AM
I'm saying that I'd rather not make any predictions, and just root like heck (inside). :-)
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Jeff Hopkins \'82 on March 24, 2003, 08:27:52 AM
heck?   :-D

I don't think so.
Title: KRACH-based bracket predictions
Post by: kingpin248 on March 24, 2003, 11:37:35 AM
I put together a program that simulates the playing of the tournament based on the head-to-head winning percentages derived from KRACH. I ran the simulation 10,000,000 times. (This is similar to what LaxPower does each spring.) Below is the breakdown of how many times each team won the title, and the projected odds of winning:

 # Team                       Wins      Pct            Odds
 1 Colorado College         2,258,109  22.58%          3.43
 2 Cornell                  1,477,366  14.77%          5.77
 3 Minnesota                1,441,153  14.41%          5.94
 4 New Hampshire            1,246,373  12.46%          7.02
 5 Boston College             758,006   7.58%         12.19
 6 Boston University          678,266   6.78%         13.74
 7 Maine                      574,233   5.74%         16.41
 8 North Dakota               335,466   3.35%         28.81
 9 Michigan                   320,582   3.21%         30.19
10 Ferris State               282,941   2.83%         34.34
11 Minn. St.-Mankato          236,352   2.36%         41.31
12 St. Cloud State            146,305   1.46%         67.35
13 Harvard                    133,897   1.34%         73.68
14 Ohio State                 110,703   1.11%         89.33
15 Wayne State                    241   0.00%     41,492.78
16 Mercyhurst                       7   0.00%  1,428,570.43


The odds are interpreted as XX-to-1, where XX is the number in a team's row.  The #1 seeds, as a group, have a substantially better shot than everybody else.

I have posted at http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mfc22/HOCKYSIM.EXE a modified version of the program. It plays the tournament the same way, but runs the simulations one at a time and displays them.



Post Edited (03-24-03 11:38)
Title: Re: KRACH-based bracket predictions
Post by: Tub(a) on March 24, 2003, 11:41:50 AM
If I bet a dollar on Mercyhurst, will you pay me $1,428,570.43 when they win? :-D

Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: CrazyLarry on March 24, 2003, 02:40:53 PM
But, two other analysts picked the Big Red to win it all...
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Petunia LiCicero \'95 on March 24, 2003, 03:29:19 PM
Hey Adam,
I was surprised to see someone who actually knew something about college hockey on the ESPN selection show!
Very nice.
Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 24, 2003, 03:39:00 PM
Do you think Mel Allen ever picked the Dodgers...

Title: Re: adam picks BC to win it all
Post by: crodger1 on March 24, 2003, 04:42:44 PM
I was really happy to see Adam on there.  And he handled it very well.  Kudos.

We've been very lucky to have Grady and now Adam as the Voice of the Big Red.

Title: Re: KRACH-based bracket predictions
Post by: jtwcornell91 on March 24, 2003, 06:06:24 PM
Hmm, I've been meaning to do something like this (although with a straight calculation of the probabilities for the different outcomes rather than a Monte Carlo), and I'm a little surprised to see that Cornell's KRACH advantage over Minnesota is enough to more than make up for their harder road to the title.  I suspect Minny still has better odds of making the Frozen Four.

Title: Re: adam's complaint
Post by: marty on March 24, 2003, 11:19:03 PM
And Adam not under a 30 second time constraint shows he's up to a thoughtful criticism of the committee:

http://www.uscho.com/news/2003/03/24_006604.php
Title: Re: KRACH-based bracket predictions
Post by: pat on March 25, 2003, 01:22:54 PM
Here are the odds calculated straight from KRACH. My method did not recalculate KRACH after every round, but I'm gambling that that these games wouldn't have a tremendous effect this late in the season.


Team                      win   place    show
Colorado College          3:1     5:3     1:2        
Cornell                   6:1     3:1     1:2        
Minnesota                 6:1     5:2     1:4        
New Hampshire             7:1     3:1     2:5        
Boston College           12:1     5:1    even        
Boston University        14:1     6:1     3:4        
Maine                    16:1     7:1     3:1        
North Dakota             29:1    11:1     5:2        
Michigan                 30:1    13:1     4:1        
Ferris State             34:1    13:1     3:1        
MSU-Mankato              41:1    15:1     3:1        
St. Cloud State          68:1    22:1     3:1        
Harvard                  74:1    23:1     3:1        
Ohio State               89:1    27:1     4:1        
Wayne State           41590:1  3100:1   611:1        
Mercyhurst          1766618:1 48256:1  6904:1        


Show hypothesizes a consolation game.



Post Edited (03-26-03 00:44)
Title: Re: KRACH- and KASA-based bracket predictions
Post by: jtwcornell91 on March 25, 2003, 11:46:33 PM
I've done round-by-round probability breakdowns using KRACH and KASA (KRACH with home ice effects) to predict the probabilities.  Here are links to the HOCKEY-L posts:

http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind0303&L=hockey-l&D=0&F=P&P=30931&F=
http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind0303&L=hockey-l&D=0&P=31044

It looks like the KRACH odds are consistent with Matt's Monte Carlo.