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Figured this should start the 2015 thread:

https://twitter.com/tomf_ijsports/status/476745989710417920

Personally I'm very happy with the decision.

Quote from: Ronald '09Figured this should start the 2015 thread:

https://twitter.com/tomf_ijsports/status/476745989710417920

Personally I'm very happy with the decision.

I think it's the right choice, too.

Good choice. Would have happened sooner if we'd gone final four. Maybe it was and just not announced. As a practical matter, how stealthily could Cornell have searched for a new coach outside Cornell and kept it quiet.

Kerwick's bio says he lives in Skaneateles. Unless he has an Ithaca crash pad, that's 40 miles each way each day. He needs to be driving an all-wheel-drive diesel. Or a Tesla with a charger block in Ithaca, too.

Quote from: billhowardKerwick's bio says he lives in Skaneateles. Unless he has an Ithaca crash pad, that's 40 miles each way each day. He needs to be driving an all-wheel-drive diesel. Or a Tesla with a charger block in Ithaca, too.

My first job after graduating from Cornell was near Elmira; my manager commuted from Scranton every day, 120 miles each way.  Bought a Honda Civic just for his commute because it had really good gas mileage.  I think maybe people are just accustomed to longer commutes once you get outside the Boston-DC corridor and similarly urbanized areas around the country.

Consider the opposite, that people in big urban areas are the ones more used to lengthy commutes by car or mass transit. To live in the burbs outside Manhattan and get to work, it's an hour door to door, or more. In rural areas with less traffic, such as Ithaca, you can reach affordable-housing communities 10 minutes from town. Several Cornell coaches live in Lansing and that's 10-15 minutes from campus. Going another 15 minutes doesn't lower your housing costs appreciably. Skaneateles is more of a Syracuse suburb. I could a faculty spouse with a special skill (or desire not to wait tables) who has to drive to Elmira or Syracuse for work, but that's not that common. Commuting from Scranton to Elmira sounds like an outlier case.

Quote from: Josh '99My first job after graduating from Cornell was near Elmira; my manager commuted from Scranton every day, 120 miles each way.  Bought a Honda Civic just for his commute because it had really good gas mileage.  I think maybe people are just accustomed to longer commutes once you get outside the Boston-DC corridor and similarly urbanized areas around the country.

It's not that unusual for people in the NoVa area to commute 50 miles each way -- particularly if they come from central VA (think: Appalachia) and can drive 100 mph for the first 20 miles.

But 120 miles each way, every day?  Your manager was either a liar or an idiot.

I believe David Archer lives in Horseheads which is about 30 miles away.

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Quote from: Josh '99My first job after graduating from Cornell was near Elmira; my manager commuted from Scranton every day, 120 miles each way.  Bought a Honda Civic just for his commute because it had really good gas mileage.  I think maybe people are just accustomed to longer commutes once you get outside the Boston-DC corridor and similarly urbanized areas around the country.

It's not that unusual for people in the NoVa area to commute 50 miles each way -- particularly if they come from central VA (think: Appalachia) and can drive 100 mph for the first 20 miles.

But 120 miles each way, every day?  Your manager was either a liar or an idiot.

I used to work with a couple of guys who commuted from West Virginia (Charles Town area, I think) to Tysons Corner.

Quote from: WederI used to work with a couple of guys who commuted from West Virginia (Charles Town area, I think) to Tysons Corner.

Once a year you see a story in Newsweek (maybe not recently) or NY Times about the quality of life of a dad or mom in the LA basin who gets up at 3 a.m. for a 3 hour drive to work, so they could live in an affordable house with a bit of land. Old cities with good mass transit - NY Boston DC SF Chicago - may be the long-term urban winners.

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Quote from: Josh '99My first job after graduating from Cornell was near Elmira; my manager commuted from Scranton every day, 120 miles each way.  Bought a Honda Civic just for his commute because it had really good gas mileage.  I think maybe people are just accustomed to longer commutes once you get outside the Boston-DC corridor and similarly urbanized areas around the country.

It's not that unusual for people in the NoVa area to commute 50 miles each way -- particularly if they come from central VA (think: Appalachia) and can drive 100 mph for the first 20 miles.

But 120 miles each way, every day?  Your manager was either a liar or an idiot.

Neither.  Older guy, owned his home in Scranton, job was a good fit for him after his previous employer (closer to home) closed their facility, but didn't want to relocate and uproot his wife or rent a small apartment to stay in during the week (I had coworkers who lived in Lock Haven who did that rather than move after Piper closed up shop there).  Bear in mind that gas was cheap in the late '90s (I remember paying in the ballpark of $1.20/gallon) so a 240 mile round trip commute if you're getting 30 MPG highway costs you less than $10/day or $200/month; less than even the crappy apartment I lived in that was more like $400/month.  (Leaving aside the other costs associated with the car for the sake of simplicity, which could of course tilt the balance.)  It's a lot of time on the road, but better than uprooting or only seeing your wife three days a week I guess.

Quote from: billhowardConsider the opposite, that people in big urban areas are the ones more used to lengthy commutes by car or mass transit. To live in the burbs outside Manhattan and get to work, it's an hour door to door, or more. In rural areas with less traffic, such as Ithaca, you can reach affordable-housing communities 10 minutes from town. Several Cornell coaches live in Lansing and that's 10-15 minutes from campus. Going another 15 minutes doesn't lower your housing costs appreciably. Skaneateles is more of a Syracuse suburb. I could a faculty spouse with a special skill (or desire not to wait tables) who has to drive to Elmira or Syracuse for work, but that's not that common. Commuting from Scranton to Elmira sounds like an outlier case.

That's a fair point, but you're talking about longer commutes in terms of time that are still much shorter in terms of distance than what I mentioned.

We have plenty of people here in the Lehigh Valley who commute into NYC every day.  In fact, there are regular buses from the Bethlehem Park-and-Ride into Port Authority every day.

Bastards are driving up the housing prices here.

Quote from: WederI used to work with a couple of guys who commuted from West Virginia (Charles Town area, I think) to Tysons Corner.

That's about 50 miles.  Charles Town is 15 miles to the west of my house; Tyson's Corner is 35 miles to the east.

That's still a bad, bad commute, though.  7 east to 50 east of here is a parking lot from 6-9 and 5-8.  Commuting on off hours isn't horrible -- maybe an hour each way.  That's basically my commute.

Quote from: Trotsky7 east to 50 east of here is a parking lot from 6-9 and 5-8.  Commuting on off hours isn't horrible

Wow. Even in Boston, 6 am is off-hours.

The traffic here doesn't really get ridiculous until 7:30, but then of course it's a parking lot until after 10.

off topic much?

Quote from: dag14off topic much?

new here?

Quote from: dag14off topic much?

Off season, off topic.

but it isn't even interesting

Quote from: dag14but it isn't even interesting

Too bad nobody who wrote this complaint has the power to do something about it by, I don't know...writing something that is interesting to him/her/others.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82We have plenty of people here in the Lehigh Valley who commute into NYC every day.  In fact, there are regular buses from the Bethlehem Park-and-Ride into Port Authority every day.

Bastards are driving up the housing prices here.

You should see what housing prices are like here.  ::cuss::

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: dag14off topic much?

Off season, off topic.

He has a respectable point.  Those of us that don't check in every day click on this thread to read about Cornell Men's Lacrosse 2015, not can-you-top-this gripes of traffic/housing expense.  A couple posts?  Sure- some are in fact fun.  Repeated ::deadhorse::- not so much.  

Yeah, I suppose I could just go over to Laxpower, but the "7 new" signal always snags me.  Maybe after the third response or so it should go over to John Spencer's place.:-)

Article in Syracuse Post-Standard on Fayetteville-Manlius recruit Jake Pulver. (http://highschoolsports.syracuse.com/news/article/929557187823649884/jake-pulver-of-f-m-is-the-all-cny-boys-lacrosse-player-of-the-year/)

Lacrosse schedule announced. (http://cornellbigred.com/schedule.aspx?path=mlax&) Pretty nice, most of the home games are later in the year, when you hope the weather is better.

I don't mind getting the Syracuse game out of the way, but you have to think that that's about the best way to put the Red in an uncompetitive position going into the game with Ivy practices starting so late compared to other teams.

Going back to 2009, they've opened against either Hobart or Binghamton to start the season, and generally don't play their first ranked team until they have a game or 3 under their belt. Might as well throw them into the deep end I suppose...

Opening at Syracuse? Yikes.  I liked the tradition of a Tuesday night in April.

Much prefer the home games at the end though.  Was it last year their last home game was in March?

Good solid schedule.  I like it.

Quote from: Chris '03Much prefer the home games at the end though.  Was it last year their last home game was in March?

Two seasons ago, 2013. They served as the "home" team at the Meadowlands vs. Princeton. Last regular season game in Ithaca was 3/30.

http://www.lax.com/teams/Cornell-lacrosse-1010-13.html

Very detailed run-through of the schedule: http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=41062

Interesting that 1) This is the first regular-season Albany-Cornell game ever, and 2) we have to go to Dallas, TX (SMU) to do it. The only other meeting was the memorable 2007 NCAA QF game in NJ.

Apparently we've played in Texas before, 2008 vs. Denver (http://www.denverpioneers.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/031708aaa.html).

Of note, Cornell has a Dallas native on the roster, but it seems there was an incident while home for the summer: http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/news/crime/2014/09/04/cornell-lacrosse-player-arrested/15091581/

That's a good schedule!  I hoped to see Albany on there, and there they are.  There's no reason it can't be a good upstate rivalry between two strong teams.  Which will be showcased in...Dallas, TX.   ::wtf::

Quote from: Chris '03Opening at Syracuse? Yikes.  I liked the tradition of a Tuesday night in April.

If we get to play them next February at Schoellkopf, it'll be worth it. :-}

For a day, Hopkins jumped five places in the pre-season poll.  

Johns Hopkins Mistakenly Says 'Yes' to Hundreds of Rejected Applicants (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/johns-hopkins-mistakenly-says-yes-to-hundreds-of-rejected-applicants/2014/12/16/20b5f9f4-8575-11e4-b9b7-b8632ae73d25_story.html)

"Old" news, but not posted yet, Cornell 10th in USILA poll. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/1/12/MLAX_0112154156.aspx)

I gotta say that it's weird to see the top two spots occupied by teams far from the traditional Upstate NY & MD/VA/NC lax breadbaskets. Stupid Team Tierney.

Yeah, going through the top 5: Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.  Good work, Lacrosse.

Quote from: RichHYeah, going through the top 5: Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

*snortlaugh*

Word.

Quote from: Hillel Hoffmann

Quote from: RichHYeah, going through the top 5: Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

*snortlaugh*

Word.

A Hillel sighting! - your lacrosse analysis has been missed.

Hey! Hillel!  Where ya been???  It's good to (sort of) hear from you, it's been a year since last time!  Just looked back at your (and other's) posts after the 2009 National Championship loss- great stuff about guys who played on recent teams.  Got any more recruit insights? Don't be a stranger now.::rock::

Thanks, lads. I'm retired as a blowhard amateur fansplainer. These days folks can get all the college lacrosse news and punditry they want from the web and social media.

But I do like that Pulver kid. ::whistle::

First day of practice today, and 2 weeks until the opener vs. Syracuse. Starting to get pumped for what should be a very, very good season for the team.

I swung by the field about 11 am -- turf was clear and the women's team was warming up.  Not that bad out -- 25 degrees and not [yet] snowing.

Quote from: semsoxFirst day of practice today, and 2 weeks until the opener vs. Syracuse. Starting to get pumped for what should be a very, very good season for the team.

Not disagreeing, just curious.
What do you base that on?

::cheer::

Quote from: Johnny 5

Quote from: semsoxFirst day of practice today, and 2 weeks until the opener vs. Syracuse. Starting to get pumped for what should be a very, very good season for the team.

Not disagreeing, just curious.
What do you base that on?

::cheer::

This may be helpful:  http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2015-ncaa-preview-cornell/30736

Nice!
Thanks!!

::rock::

sounded like the scrimmage went ok.

Quote from: upprdecksounded like the scrimmage went ok.

Dunno.  Starters apparently trailed 11-4 after three periods when the backups hit the field.  Three starters didn't play:  Hogan, Stevens, Huttner. That didn't help.  Maryland had a big head-start with practicing.  Weather in Ithaca this week will not be helpful.

Cornell 9th up to T7 in USILA poll 3/16 after doubling Yale 14-7
Syracuse
UNC
ND
Duke
Denver
Maryland
Cornell/Virginia T7
Yale
Princeton
Also 12 Brown, 13 Albany, 15 Harvard


Cascade/Maverik via Inside Lacrosse. Cornell 9 to 7.
Syracuse
UNC
Notre Dame
Duke
Maryland
Denver
Cornell
Virginia
Marquette
Yale
Also 11 Albany, 12 Brown (5-0, beat Harvard by 1), 13 Princeton, 16 Harvard. Don't look now but brand new to varsity lax BU got votes in both polls.

Quote from: billhowardDon't look now but brand new to varsity lax BU got votes in both polls.

They're 5-2, with wins over four teams with losing records plus Toothpaste (18-11). Losses were to Lehigh & Providence. Their Laxpower computer score is 93 (whereas ours is 98.9). Among the Ivies the closest teams in terms of the computer score are Penn (90.3) & Sucks (93.9).

But the computer score tries to guess what the selection committee will look for. BU's RPI is 44th (0.4720). (Ours is 2nd; 0.7004) The lowest of the top four Ivies is Princeton, ranked 16th (RPI = 0.5736), but the Penn is 40th & Dartmouth is 53rd (with early season losses at tOSU & ND while Hanover was still buried in snow).

In short, BU is doing quite well for its first year in DI, but don't bet on it beating Duke on 5/3.

Quote from: SwampyIn short, BU is doing quite well for its first year in DI, but don't bet on it beating Duke on 5/3.

Until this year, BU had more hockey rinks (2) than turfed playing fields (1). Now they also have an Astroturf field atop a parking garage. Astroturf is great for field hockey because the ball plays truer, and chews up everyone else's knees when you land hard. I don't believe there's a BU turfed indoor field in a city that just nine feet of snowfall. Agree that beating Duke is not likely,

is cornell going to play a game this year without a weather issue..  could get nasty tonight.. rain turning to heavy snow possible late today.

Quote from: upprdeckis cornell going to play a game this year without a weather issue..  could get nasty tonight.. rain turning to heavy snow possible late today.

I'm surprised they did not try to move up the game time.  Maybe they couldn't because of the TV committment.

snowing hard in some spots already.  wind chill will be around 10-15 by game time

Quote from: upprdecksnowing hard in some spots already.  wind chill will be around 10-15 by game time

Weather channel has nothing in Ithaca until after midnight??

::blush::

According to weather.com, it is snowing right now.  However, looking out my office window on the Ag Quad I see some blue sky and sun among the clouds.  So who knows what the weather will be at game time.  It is a little windy, however, with temps around 30.

Quote from: dag14According to weather.com, it is snowing right now.  However, looking out my office window on the Ag Quad I see some blue sky and sun among the clouds.  So who knows what the weather will be at game time.  It is a little windy, however, with temps around 30.

Def'nitly won't be like the Scarrier Dome!!

::cheer::

Quote from: dag14According to weather.com, it is snowing right now.  However, looking out my office window on the Ag Quad I see some blue sky and sun among the clouds.  So who knows what the weather will be at game time.  It is a little windy, however, with temps around 30.

Good thing it's blacked out on ILDN ::bang::

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: dag14According to weather.com, it is snowing right now.  However, looking out my office window on the Ag Quad I see some blue sky and sun among the clouds.  So who knows what the weather will be at game time.  It is a little windy, however, with temps around 30.

Good thing it's blacked out on ILDN ::bang::

Looked great on Fox Sports 1, TWC in BF Egypt.
Also, nice on iPad.
Too bad it was such a nail biter at the end!
But, a win is a..........

::cheer::

Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ0XVNPRCrY&feature=youtu.be

A mediocre packing, tbh. Just goals, no saves. No interesting defensive plays - strips or scrambles - and really no sense of the tension as the lead slipped away. But it is what it is: a hastily edited collection of goals.

Cornell outshoots Colgate 41-23, goes 16x23 on faceoffs, goes up 8-4 in the third, but Colgate goalie Brandon Burke was 16x26 on saves (62%) while Christian Knight was 4x13 (31%). Matt Donovan was 4-4-8 in a 10-goal game. We got lucky to get away with on OT win; Colgate's only lead was 9-8. Games like this, you realize the importance of a dominant faceoff man.

Let's hope Saturday's Penn game is better. After doubling Yale 14-7, Cornell felt like it had a legitimate shot at the final four. Now, let's hope Colgate was an aberration.

1 2 3 4 OT Total
COLGATE 1 3 2 3 0 9
Cornell 4 2 2 1 1 10
Box score: http://cornellbigred.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mlax&id=19634

Cornell 10 Penn 9 (Triple OT)

Red led 8-3 five mins into second period; 9-4 at the half. Went scoreless until midway through the third 5-minute OT. Lintner! Whew.

2 games in a row with a 2nd half collapse on offense.

Quote from: upprdeck2 games in a row with a 2nd half collapse on offense.

The team works hard on their Overtime defense and all you can do is criticize.

Quote from: ugarte

Quote from: upprdeck2 games in a row with a 2nd half collapse on offense.

The team works hard on their Overtime defense and all you can do is criticize.

Not to mention that the reliever Penn goalie was hotter than a CME.
Fortunately ours was back on his game, too.
But, it's almost (but, not quite, thank God) starting to feel like hockey.

Now, let's see a big game by Duke today!

::banana::

Quote from: Johnny 5

Quote from: ugarte

Quote from: upprdeck2 games in a row with a 2nd half collapse on offense.

The team works hard on their Overtime defense and all you can do is criticize.

Not to mention that the reliever Penn goalie was hotter than a CME.
Fortunately ours was back on his game, too.
But, it's almost (but, not quite, thank God) starting to feel like hockey.

Now, let's see a big game by Duke today!

::banana::

SU pounding Duke 9-1 early in the 2nd. No love for the Orange, but them winning helps our RPI

I'd rather have our 14-6 loss to Syracuse, in our first game with limited practice, than Duke's 19-7 loss.

Makes our initial loss feel a little better in that context.

Quote from: margolismI'd rather have our 14-6 loss to Syracuse, in our first game with limited practice, than Duke's 19-7 loss.

Makes our initial loss feel a little better in that context.

It's like rooting for the lesser of two weevils.
But, Ben DeLuca looks healthy!!

::whistle::

Cornell remains 7th in media poll. Cornell has now played three of the top ten: 1 Syracuse L, 8 Virginia L, 9 Albany W (freezing game in Dallas), ends season at #16 Brown 4/18, hosting #10 Princeton 4/25. Cornell and Princeton both 2-0 Ivy, both have Yale in the rear-view mirror, Cornell yet to play 1-0 Brown and Dartmouth. Harvard-Yale-Penn all 0-2 though Yale is 5-0 outside the Ivies.

Big game Saturday #1 Syracuse at #2 Notre Dame.

Rank    School  W-L     Vote Firsts     Last    Last Game / Next Game
1 Syracuse (7-0) 500 (25) 1 W vs #6 Duke 19-7 @ #2 Notre Dame
2 Notre Dame (5-1)471 (0)        3 W vs #15 Ohio State 9-0 vs #1 Syracuse
3 Maryland (6-1) 448 (0)        5 W @ #4 North Carolina 10-8 @ Robert Morris, vs Michigan
4 North Carolina (9-1) 428 (0) 2 W vs Harvard 15-10, L vs #3 Maryland 8-10 vs #6 Duke
5 Denver (6-2) 385 (0)        6 W @ Lehigh 10-4, W vs Penn State 10-8 vs #14 Georgetown
6 Duke (7-2) 371 (0)        4 L @ #1 Syracuse 7-19 @ #4 North Carolina
[b][color=#FF0000]7 Cornell (6-2) 349 (0)        7 W vs Colgate 10-9, W vs Penn 10-9 vs Dartmouth[/color][/b]
8 Virginia (6-2) 338 (0)        8 W @ #20 Johns Hopkins 16-15 @ VMI, vs Richmond
9 Albany (5-1) 292 (0)        11 W @ Canisius 26-6, W vs Hartford 24-6 @ Harvard, vs UMass Lowell
10 Princeton (6-1) 276 (0)        13 W @ Rutgers 12-11, W vs #11 Yale 11-10 vs #13 Brown
11 Yale (5-2) 230 (0)        9 L @ #10 Princeton 10-11 @ Penn
12 Marquette (7-1) 211 (0)        9 L @ #14 Georgetown 9-10 @ Villanova
13 Brown (6-1) 198 (0)        12 L vs Bucknell 9-10, W vs Manhattan 22-9 vs Marist, @ #10 Princeton
14 Georgetown (6-3) 182 (0) - W @ #16 Loyola 13-12, W vs #12 Marquette 10-9 @ #5 Denver
15 Ohio State (7-3) 116 (0) 15 W @ #18 Towson 7-6, L @ #2 Notre Dame 0-9 @ Penn State
16 Loyola (5-4) 115 (0)        14 L vs #14 Georgetown 12-13, W @ Lafayette 19-10 vs Colgate
17 Army (6-3) 113 (0)        19 W @ Lehigh 7-5 @ Bucknell
18 Towson (6-3) 58 (0)        18 L vs #15 Ohio State 6-7, W @ Binghamton 9-8 vs UMass
19 Boston University (6-2) 45 (0) - W vs Bucknell 11-9 @ Navy
20 Johns Hopkins (3-5) 37 (0) 20 L vs #8 Virginia 15-16 vs Rutgers

Source: http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-top-5-shake-ups/31386  USILA coaches' poll yet to release.

[edit add] USILA poll http://www.usila.org/polls.html has Cornell and Virginia again tied for 7th. Pretty much the same the rest of the way above and below. Below Cornell/Virginia on USILA 9-12 are Princeton, Albany, Yale, Brown.

How the hell does Duke not fall further with that rout at Syracuse?

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82How the hell does Duke not fall further with that rout at Syracuse?

I'm sure UVa is wondering how we stayed ahead of them with our two "really-tried-hard-to-lose-but-failed" games this week.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82How the hell does Duke not fall further with that rout at Syracuse?

No. 15 (last week) TOSU loses 9-0 Notre Dame, suggesting Big Red hockey-like offensive-punch issues, and is ranked at ... No. 15.

ND - SU this week should be interesting to watch.. SU dominate Duke for half the game.  the 2nd half Duke was the better team but the goalie made every save it seemed.

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82How the hell does Duke not fall further with that rout at Syracuse?

No. 15 (last week) TOSU loses 9-0 Notre Dame, suggesting Big Red hockey-like offensive-punch issues, and is ranked at ... No. 15.

At least they have a winning record, unlike a certain school still garnering votes.

Quote from: RichH

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: Jeffs Hopkins '82How the hell does Duke not fall further with that rout at Syracuse?

No. 15 (last week) TOSU loses 9-0 Notre Dame, suggesting Big Red hockey-like offensive-punch issues, and is ranked at ... No. 15.

At least they have a winning record, unlike a certain school still garnering votes.

Fixed

USILA poll 4/7 after 10-9 loss at Harvard, Cornell falls from 8 to 10. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/polls/usila  Top 7 are unchanged: Notre Dame, Syracuse, Maryland, NC, Denver, Virginia, Duke. We have beaten 8 Albany and 9 Yale. Brown dropped from 10 to 12 (lost to Penn), Princeton from 12 to 14 (lost to Stony Brook).

Media poll Cornell falls 6 to 10. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/polls/DI

I agree. Doubling up a 2-8 team isn't worth much discussion.

http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2015/4/7/MLAX_0407155719.aspx

Buczek is 1 point shy of Seibald for career points by a Middie.

Quote from: RichHI agree. Doubling up a 2-8 team isn't worth much discussion.

It's the off season (hockey) and therefore time to get into pointless arguments/discussions:
 "Doubling Up" is a rare and impressive feat for basketball. Earns the term.
It's pretty much meaningless for ice hockey, baseball and football.
Somewhere in the middle for lax but somehow seems to imply an overwhelming drubbing which isn't always the case.

Discuss (or not).

but its hard to read anything into a game you end up playing the 3rd goalie and other backups who hardly see the field

Cornell now guaranteed a spot in the Ivy League tournament. Complete list of possibilities:


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B>C,Pr>H,D>Pe,C>Pr,D>B: C,Pr,Y,D

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B>C,H>Pr,Pe>D,C>Pr,D>B,H>Y: C,B,H,Pr

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B>C,H>Pr,D>Pe,Pr>C,D>B,H>Y: Pr,B,H,C

Awesome list. You didn't figure this out on a sheet of paper. It's depressing also in that Cornell almost has to win out (Brown, Princeton) to host the tournament. Almost impossible to count on Dartmouth beating Brown. Not impossible to see Harvard beating Princeton; the Tigers have been up and down.

See the past week's Inside Lacrosse columnist rating:

Quote from: Quint Kessenich10. Cornell — The Big Red lost at Harvard, their third setback of the year. The offense has gone cold. Too much reliance on Matt Donovan and Connor Buczek. Nobody else has stepped up after the top six. So Cornell gets held to eight and nine goals in their last two games. CU is shooting 27%; opponents are 30%. Look closer at CU's shooting percentage the last four games: 24% vs. Colgate, 20% vs. Penn, 22% vs. Dartmouth and 23% vs. Harvard. The Big Red have won 66% of their face-offs. Six times this season, Cornell goalies have been less than 50%. Canisius and Hofstra are on tap this week for a team with a high RPI but fading momentum. http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/quint-s-top-20-a-few-teams-step-forward-some-fall-back/31583

... who also said Princeton is "in jeopardy of fading into oblivion" and "The [Brown] Bears were highly overrated based on lopsided victories against poor competition."

Easiest to just win out! That also gives Cornell sole possession of the official Ivy League Championship.

Brown will be desperate next week though. If they lose to Cornell, and Penn beats Dartmouth, Brown will be out of the ILT.

Quote from: CU77Easiest to just win out! That also gives Cornell sole possession of the official Ivy League Championship.

Brown will be desperate next week though. If they lose to Cornell, and Penn beats Dartmouth, Brown will be out of the ILT.

I think about Cornell's tendency to underperform in key games. As does every fan of every team. OTOH, early in the season when it looked as if Yale might be the class of the league, we hammered them 14-7.

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: CU77Easiest to just win out! That also gives Cornell sole possession of the official Ivy League Championship.

Brown will be desperate next week though. If they lose to Cornell, and Penn beats Dartmouth, Brown will be out of the ILT.

I think about Cornell's tendency to underperform in key games. As does every fan of every team. OTOH, early in the season when it looked as if Yale might be the class of the league, we hammered them 14-7.

If only our goalie could find his mojo.

::bang::

Yeah, that would be good.

Weather forecast for Saturday in Providence not looking great ...

Cornell moves up one spot to 9th in the April 13 media poll. (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-unc-leap-sets-up-1-vs-2-showdown/31674)
1  Notre Dame
2  UNC (beat Syracuse 17-15) (plays Notre Dame 4 pm Sat ESPNU).
3  Maryland
4  Syracuse
5  Denver
6  Duke
7  Yale
8  Albany
9  Cornell
10 Virginia
Brown stands 14 down two spots after 16-10 loss to Yale. Princeton falls to 20 from 19 after lossing to Lehigh 16-15, beating Dartmouth 16-5. Of our competition, Colgate and Hobart also got votes.

[edit add]: USILA (http://www.usila.org/polls.html) poll keeps Cornell 10th behind not ahead of Virginia. Figures, if this is the poll that always ranked Cornell in the Harkness / early Moran era below every half-assed Confederacy team and then, first time it's a playoff, Cornell wins.

Inside Lacrosse (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-unc-leap-sets-up-1-vs-2-showdown/31674) cites the wrong Pennsylviania school. [Edit add:] Seems wrong. It's right. Penn not Penn State is facing off against a lesser light of the ACC.

Quote from: billhowardInside Lacrosse (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-unc-leap-sets-up-1-vs-2-showdown/31674) cites the wrong Pennsylviania school.

Looks right to me.  The ACC fifth place team plays Penn (http://www.pennathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=544&SPSID=8744) in something called the "ACC-Penn Classic" at PPL park, the same weekend as the ACC tournament.

Quote from: Greenberg '97

Quote from: billhowardInside Lacrosse (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-unc-leap-sets-up-1-vs-2-showdown/31674) cites the wrong Pennsylviania school.

Looks right to me.  The ACC fifth place team plays Penn (http://www.pennathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=544&SPSID=8744) in something called the "ACC-Penn Classic" at PPL park, the same weekend as the ACC tournament.

Indeed that is the case. Still seems bizarre. Is Penn doing the No. 5 ACC team a favor and being fed to the sharks, or vice versa.

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: Greenberg '97

Quote from: billhowardInside Lacrosse (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-unc-leap-sets-up-1-vs-2-showdown/31674) cites the wrong Pennsylviania school.

Looks right to me.  The ACC fifth place team plays Penn (http://www.pennathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=544&SPSID=8744) in something called the "ACC-Penn Classic" at PPL park, the same weekend as the ACC tournament.

Indeed that is the case. Still seems bizarre. Is Penn doing the No. 5 ACC team a favor and being fed to the sharks, or vice versa.

I think this is clever. Penn is guaranteed an acc opponent and ACC5 is guaranteed a game despite missing their tournament. Theoretical boost to either team's tourney hopes. I'd rather sign for ACC5 blind most years than fill out the schedule with a canisius or similar.

Inside Lacrosse Top 25 Freshmen (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/di-freshman-rankings-april-17/31738/1) has no one from Cornell listed. There are later lists coming for 2015.

Ivy, NYS and nearby PA (Bucknell) in top 25
24 Aran Roberts D Princeton
23 Joe Lang Harvrd A/b]
21 Jake Miller Brown D
16 Anthony Abbadessa Colgate A
15 Will Sands Bucknell A
7 Ben Reeves A Yale
3 Connor Fields A Albany
(1 and 2 so far are Trevor Baptiste Denver FO and Justin Guerding Duke A 52 points)

Last year Christian Knight was 22, Dylan Molloy of Brown 17. So far (since starting in 2010), no #1 freshman has won the Tewaaraton.
Top rookie
2014: Zach Miller, Denver
2013: Case Matheis, Duke
2012: Matt Poillon, Lehigh
2011: Nicky Galasso, North Carolina
2010: Mike Chanenchuk, Princeton

Media poll 4/20/15 (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cascade-maverik-media-poll-unc-maryland-tied-at-no-2/31764) drops Cornell 9 to 12. Brown up 14 to 10.

Top four-loss teams are 6 Duke, 9 Virginia, 11 Ohio State, 12 Cornell, 13 Georgetown (5 losses), 14 Princeton (was 20 last week, so look what a one-goal win over Harvard does), then 15-20 all 4 or 5 losses. Colgate 8-4 moved into the rankings at 18. NYS has teams at 3 Syracuse, 7 Albany, 12 Cornell, 18 Colgate, 19 Stony Brook.

USILA poll not in yet. USILA poll 4/20 (http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/usila-di-coaches-poll-unc-up-to-no-2/31682) vis Inside Lacrosse shows Cornell holding steady at 10 after the Brown debacle and (is this right?) and Brown falling from 12 to 13. It may be the old poll ran again but with the results fromlast week and upcoming games for week of 4/20 show. Note in the Upcoming Games notes it shows Cornell playing #14 Princeton and Princeton at #12 Cornell. That seems more like it.
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RANK    SCHOOL NAME AND AGAIN W-L       VOTES 1ST    LAST WEEK AND UPCOMING[/b]
1 Notre Dame Notre Dame(9-1) 419 (20) 1 W vs #2 North Carolina 15-14
2 North Carolina NCarolina(12-2) 390 (1) 4 L @ #1 Notre Dame 14-15
3 Maryland Maryland (12-1) 379 (0) 3 W @ #11 Ohio State 10-9 vs Johns Hopkins
4 Syracuse Syracuse (9-2) 359 (0) 2 W vs Hobart 18-5
5 Denver        Denver (10-2) 342 (0) 5 W vs Providence 13-9 @ #17 Marquette
6 Duke     Duke (10-4) 313 (0) 7 W @ #19 Stony Brook 17-11, W @ #17 Marquette 15-8
7 Yale     Yale (9-3) 268 (0) 9 L @ #7 Albany 11-12 @ Harvard
8 Albany   Albany (11-2) 260 (0) 8 W @ Bryant 10-8, W vs #8 Yale 12-11 @ Siena, vs UMBC
9 Virginia Virginia (9-4) 259 (0) 6 W vs #13 Georgetown 12-9 @ Penn
[b][color=#FF0000]10 Cornell Cornell (9-4) 245 (0) 10 L @ #10 Brown 6-15 vs #14 Princeton[/color][/b]
11 Ohio State      Ohio St(10-4) 221 (0) 11 L vs #3 Maryland 9-10 @ Rutgers
12 Towson     Towson (9-4) 148 (0) 16 L vs Hofstra 2-9 @ Drexel
13 Brown     Brown (10-3) 132 (0) 12 W @ Providence 15-11, W vs #12 Cornell 15-6 @ Bryant, @ Dartmouth
14 Georgetown Georgetown(8-5) 131 (0) 17 L @ #9 Virginia 9-12 vs St. John's
15 Marquette   Marquette(10-4) 129 (0) 15 L vs #6 Duke 8-15 vs #5 Denver
16 Loyola   Loyola (7-7) 90 (0) 19 L @ #20 Bucknell 9-10 vs Army
17 Army     Army (8-5) 80 (0) 13 L vs #18 Colgate 5-8 @ Loyola
18 Navy     Navy (8-4) 71 (0) -
19 Princeton       Princeton (8-4) 69 (0) 14 W vs Harvard 12-11 [b][color=#FF0000]@ #12 Cornell[/color][/b]
20 Stony Brook     Stony Br (11-4) 52 (0) 18 L vs #6 Duke 11-17, W vs Binghamton 14-13 @ Hartford
Receiving Votes: Colgate, Johns Hopkins, Fairfield, Richmond, Bucknell, Lehigh, Penn, Marist


15-10 over princeton. Share of the ivy title, #2 seed in the ivy tournament.

Ivy Tournament: Brown v Yale, Cornell v Princeton in Providence

But, like the announcer said....14 seniors.
::help::

Laxpower (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) gives them a 100% chance of getting an at-large bid.  I have no idea how accurate this is, just throwing it out there since we need something to talk about and polls are meaningless.

Quote from: Greenberg '97Laxpower (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) gives them a 100% chance of getting an at-large bid.  I have no idea how accurate this is, just throwing it out there since we need something to talk about and polls are meaningless.

SOS is certainly helping us out this year.

Subtly, that link contains the "odds" for the Ivy Tournament via the AQ Prob. column:

1 Cornell: 32.53%
2 Brown: 30.03%
3 Princeton: 19.54%
4 Yale: 17.90%

Don't know if that's a KRACH style calculation.

say the worst happens.. we lose yale wins out and princeton loses in the finals

are we solid ahead of brown and or princeton?
it has to help albany and colgate have finished well.

Despite what some of the more cautious Big Red fans are saying, I think we're basically a lock at this point. I don't think that would be the case every year, but the fact of the matter is the Ivy was pretty clearly the 2nd best conference this year, with really poor out-of-conference showings by some of the other mid-tier conferences (Patriot, Big Ten, CAA, etc.). We have 0 bad losses, and more quality wins than anyone else on the bubble, even if they're not against the top 5.

Yeah, but getting and not getting screwed by the seed are two different things.

Just win, baby, just win!

Well that is a different story. I think the absolute best case scenario is that we win the ILT and host Colgate in the 1st round as the 7 seed. A medium case scenario is losing in the first round of the ILT and going on a road trip to, say, College Park (AGAIN). Worst case scenario is probably winning the semifinal matchup and/or the championship and being 'rewarded' with a home game with Albany.

Quote from: Greenberg '97Laxpower (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) gives them a 100% chance of getting an at-large bid.  I have no idea how accurate this is, just throwing it out there since we need something to talk about and polls are meaningless.

And after yesterday's results, they now have an 80.92% chance (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) of receiving an at-large bid.  So I guess that 100% from earlier in the week wasn't really 100%.

Today's game vs Princeton has a live video stream at espn.go.com. (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index#sport/lacrosse/)

Quote from: Greenberg '97And after yesterday's results, they now have an 80.92% chance (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) of receiving an at-large bid.  So I guess that 100% from earlier in the week wasn't really 100%.

Wonder what it is after today's debacle.  Three goals in three periods against a porous defense?  With five returning players in the offensive end, two of whom are All-Americans, you'd think they'd have a consistent offense.  Long scoring droughts are the norm this year.  Offense is stagnant with little movement and seemingly little purpose much of the time.  I'm not convinced about Kerwick.  He's wasted a lot of senior talent this year.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Greenberg '97And after yesterday's results, they now have an 80.92% chance (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) of receiving an at-large bid.  So I guess that 100% from earlier in the week wasn't really 100%.

Wonder what it is after today's debacle.  Three goals in three periods against a porous defense?  With five returning players in the offensive end, two of whom are All-Americans, you'd think they'd have a consistent offense.  Long scoring droughts are the norm this year.  Offense is stagnant with little movement and seemingly little purpose much of the time.  I'm not convinced about Kerwick.  He's wasted a lot of senior talent this year.

The long scoring droughts weren't due to lack of offense, we just didn't have the ball. I don't think we had a single set offensive possession until < 4 minutes to go in the 3rd period. Part of that was Currier eating Massimilan's lunch at the face-off X. I don't know what the final numbers were, but that adjustment won the game for Princeton. Would have like Kerwick to try Schattner there like he did last week for a short stretch. If Princeton wants to muck it up, might as well do the same. Discouraging effort going into the most important part of the season. Wonder where the team will get sent this year.

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Greenberg '97And after yesterday's results, they no80.92% chance (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) of receiving an at-large bid.  So I guess that 100% from earlier in the week wasn't really 100%.

Wonder what it is after today's debacle.  Three goals in three periods against a porous defense?  With five returning players in the offensive end, two of whom are All-Americans, you'd think they'd have a consistent offense.  Long scoring droughts are the norm this year.  Offense is stagnant with little movement and seemingly little purpose much of the time.  I'm not convinced about Kerwick.  He's wasted a lot of senior talent this year.

Wonder where the team will get sent this year.

Might as well just get sent home.

Quote from: semsoxThe long scoring droughts weren't due to lack of offense, we just didn't have the ball. I don't think we had a single set offensive possession until < 4 minutes to go in the 3rd period. Part of that was Currier eating Massimilan's lunch at the face-off X.

Nonsense.  Faceoffs were 6-3 Cornell at the half.  Cornell couldn't hold on to the ball in the offensive zone.  We again made an ordinary goalie look like Butch Hilliard with weak shot selection.  

We had a drought against Brown in periods two, three, and four.  Followed by a shut-out first period against Princeton.  Second half against Penn and Colgate.  First 50+ minutes against Virginia.  Happened too often.  Offense simply sucks.  Reminds me of the Bill Courtney half-court basketball offense.

Agreed much like the basketball team-Many shots on goal but subpar shooting percentage.  I think at one time they were 51st in the country in shot percentage.  Again Cornell has shown an inability this season to establish an inside offensive game and the attack outside of Donovan was subpar.

To add to the discontent: for a veteran team, some players made incredibly stupid decisions.

Case in point: Who was it that tried to make that 100-yard pass that was intercepted? It came while we were making our run and had just caused a turnover. We may be lucky that our player on the receiving end of the pass didn't catch the high floater because he might have had his clock rung if he had.

The players seemed to forget even fundamental things like running through groundballs rather than standing and raking.

As others have pointed out on the Laxpower forum, there's no evidence younger players have developed this season or even that developing them has been a concern.

The faceoff stats are misleading. Dom won the initial faceoff even more than the statistics indicate. But Princeton coaches noticed his limited ball-handling skills and average speed, and they figured out that if they double-teamed him they could make him cough up the ball -- something he did regularly. If I were his coach, I'd have him spending at least half an hour at practice each day working on ball handling skills and have him play box lacrosse in the off season. Also, running stairs to add a step.

I couldn't help but notice how quick and crisp Princeton's passing was, especially when man up. Ours was fine -- as long as we were passing around the perimeter and not being covered. When we passed into dangerous locations, Princeton was right there and often intercepted.

And I don't know how many goals Princeton scored from the midfield, but it seems most of them came from there. If you look at film from the Harvard and Brown games, I think you'll find their goals came from more or less the same spots and the same way: get a step on one of our SSDM's and fire from around 15 yards out! Maybe we just don't have the horses, but you would think our coaches would have plugged this hole by now.
 
Aargh! ::bang::

Quote from: toddlose

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Greenberg '97And after yesterday's results, they no80.92% chance (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) of receiving an at-large bid.  So I guess that 100% from earlier in the week wasn't really 100%.

Wonder what it is after today's debacle.  Three goals in three periods against a porous defense?  With five returning players in the offensive end, two of whom are All-Americans, you'd think they'd have a consistent offense.  Long scoring droughts are the norm this year.  Offense is stagnant with little movement and seemingly little purpose much of the time.  I'm not convinced about Kerwick.  He's wasted a lot of senior talent this year.

Wonder where the team will get sent this year.

Might as well just get sent home.

You owe Semsox a drink for that perfect setup.

Frankly, the team is just depressing given the talent on it. Much like 2013, this was supposed to be a year you circled as one to make a run in. Loaded to the brim with seniors and talent at every position. Remember coming into the year when faceoff was the biggest question mark? More than anything though, the lack of offensive production is truly staggering to me, and I have no idea what to make of it. Kerwick was coach last year too, right? In particular, Lintner is about 20 goals under what he scored last year, which makes sense, since of all people, Lintner's production is the most indicative of good offensive sets, since most of his goals are lay-ups off of cuts or nice passes. That movement is lacking this year. I've also commented on this a few times at laxpower, but in my mind Knight has been one of the most disappointing parts of the whole season. SV% is about 0.07 points lower than last year, which is a HUGE difference. He's already played about 100 more minutes than last year, and has about 20 less saves than he did last year. If he were playing the way he did last year, I have to think we'd have about 3 less losses and be in line for a homegame. Just a frustrating year so far.

Quote from: semsoxKerwick was coach last year too, right?

There were signs of the offense's stagnation last year, too.  Second half against Harvard.  Last ten minutes against Hofstra when we went from 9-7 to 9-10.  Scoreless fourth period of the Penn game in the Ivy tournament.  Second half against Maryland in the NCAAs.  Even the first half at Maryland wasn't so hot, with three goals coming unassisted from Donovan on his move from behind the cage.

Somehow, Cornell still has the same 80.92% chance of an ALB: laxpower (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php)

Quote from: BearLoverSomehow, Cornell still has the same 80.92% chance of an ALB: laxpower (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php)

Table shows Yale just ahead of us, Princeton just below the field of 16 (at 18) in probabilities which suggests we'd fare better if Yale beats Princeton. A Princeton win might make it a three-Ivy tournament. We do have the highest SOS (9) of any Ivy.

Perhaps the most telling moment in the game was the Princeton goal at the end of the first half.

At the onset of this season I had almost no confidence in any aspect of this team's play, except in net.
Boy, was I wrong.
It has seemed that the surest way for Cornell to win has been to not allow the opponent to shoot.
They shoot, they score.

Add that to the fact that we have a totally lackluster, predictable offense.......

I wish I could say wait until next year.

::bang::

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Greenberg '97And after yesterday's results, they now have an 80.92% chance (http://www.laxpower.com/common/ncaa_selection_chances.php) of receiving an at-large bid.  So I guess that 100% from earlier in the week wasn't really 100%.

Wonder what it is after today's debacle.  Three goals in three periods against a porous defense?  With five returning players in the offensive end, two of whom are All-Americans, you'd think they'd have a consistent offense.  Long scoring droughts are the norm this year.  Offense is stagnant with little movement and seemingly little purpose much of the time.  I'm not convinced about Kerwick.  He's wasted a lot of senior talent this year.

Agree

Not only does Cornell get a bid, but the no. 8 seed; the Big Red host Albany in the first game of the tournament at noon on Saturday.

Quote from: kingpin248Not only does Cornell get a bid, but the no. 8 seed; the Big Red host Albany in the first game of the tournament at noon on Saturday.

Cornell better relearn offense fast.

Cornell teams that deserved a seed the last two years were not seeded, and this team, that looks lost recently, gets a seed.::doh::  Frankly, I'd rather have gone to Maryland or Virginia than get Albany in Ithaca.  I suppose it's nice the seniors get another home game, though.

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: kingpin248Not only does Cornell get a bid, but the no. 8 seed; the Big Red host Albany in the first game of the tournament at noon on Saturday.

Cornell better relearn offense fast.

And, 65th out of 68 in saves??
Somebody needs to re-string that hole in Knight's stick.

"He shoots, he scores!!!!"

::help::

Cornell Greats Rank Thompson Among Best Ever

http://laxmagazine.com/college_men/DI/2014-15/news/050815_cornell_all_time_greats_rank_lyle_thompson_among_best_ever

2015 was the year of the missing children. Ben DeLuca was dismissed fall 2013, giving Class of 2018 recruits, this year's freshmen, time to commit elsewhere. IIRC, a couple times on broadcasts I heard that so-and-so new at, say, Notre Dame had planned on Cornell.

Cornell definitely underperformed the second half of the season. Does a school fire a new coach who steps in cold, wins two Ivy RS titles, makes the NCAAs both years, advances to quarterfinals last year and almost to the final four? There'd be a chilling effect on new coaching candidates. We could say, let's wait for the new recruiting class to be known. But a lot of Cornell's best players have been off the recruiting top-100 radar. We go into 2016 without five of our seven best players - seniors Buczek, Donovan, Stevens, Hogan, Lintner - so we'll win a lot of faceoffs and then hope Christian Knight rebounds.

Quote from: billhoward2015 was the year of the missing children. Ben DeLuca was dismissed fall 2013, giving Class of 2018 recruits, this year's freshmen, time to commit elsewhere. IIRC, a couple times on broadcasts I heard that so-and-so new at, say, Notre Dame had planned on Cornell.

Cornell definitely underperformed the second half of the season. Does a school fire a new coach who steps in cold, wins two Ivy RS titles, makes the NCAAs both years, advances to quarterfinals last year and almost to the final four? There'd be a chilling effect on new coaching candidates. We could say, let's wait for the new recruiting class to be known. But a lot of Cornell's best players have been off the recruiting top-100 radar. We go into 2016 without five of our seven best players - seniors Buczek, Donovan, Stevens, Hogan, Lintner - so we'll win a lot of faceoffs and then hope Christian Knight rebounds.

It's an interesting dilemma. I agree with many others that the coaching appeared less than stellar at times this year, especially down the stretch, and that we underperformed our talent level. This year's freshman class had no one make an immediate impact; as Bill mentioned, the top recruit, Mikey Wynne, had decommitted and is starting at attack for Notre Dame. Another top recruit, Logan Greco, also decommitted and is starting at defense for Virginia.

For those looking for the glass half full, next year's recruiting class may be our best since this year's senior class of Buczek, Donvan, et. al.  Jake McCulloch, an attack/middie from Ward Melville, was just named an Under Armour All American.  Attackman Colton Rupp, from Landon in D.C., is rated a top-40's recruit by Inside Lacrosse. There are lots of other promising kids including defenseman Tom Reilly, also from Ward Melville, Zach Ward, an attackman from Pennsylvania; Ryan Bray, another highly regarded attackman out of Long Island (and a former Ohio State commit); and Clark Peterson, a middie out of the Hill Academy in Canada.  The 2016 class looks just as strong, featuring attackman Jeff Teat, who's one of the most highly regarded players in the junior class.

But next year could be very ugly.  We'll win a lot of faceoffs, but who knows who will be able to score.  Expect lots of freshmen to be getting trial under fire.

Quote from: billhoward2015 was the year of the missing children. Ben DeLuca was dismissed fall 2013, giving Class of 2018 recruits, this year's freshmen, time to commit elsewhere. IIRC, a couple times on broadcasts I heard that so-and-so new at, say, Notre Dame had planned on Cornell.

Cornell definitely underperformed the second half of the season. Does a school fire a new coach who steps in cold, wins two Ivy RS titles, makes the NCAAs both years, advances to quarterfinals last year and almost to the final four? There'd be a chilling effect on new coaching candidates. We could say, let's wait for the new recruiting class to be known. But a lot of Cornell's best players have been off the recruiting top-100 radar. We go into 2016 without five of our seven best players - seniors Buczek, Donovan, Stevens, Hogan, Lintner - so we'll win a lot of faceoffs and then hope Christian Knight rebounds.

Good analysis. The DeLuca debacle, justified or not, hurt the program badly. I think it has been on autopilot since. I don't think we have the right coach. Our terrible offense, with skilled, senior rich talent closed that deal for me. So, I think we bite the bullet and find someone that can build a new program. It will take a while.

The AD could get on his hands and knees and crawl 90 miles to the South and beg Jeff Tambroni and his wife to return. But, I suspect that he would rather see the program suffer than admit his mistake. Besides that, he will be too busy preparing his next video.

Quote from: billhowardCornell definitely underperformed the second half of the season. Does a school fire a new coach who steps in cold, wins two Ivy RS titles, makes the NCAAs both years, advances to quarterfinals last year and almost to the final four?

Not that it matters much, but Cornell did not advance to the NCAA quarterfinals last year, losing to Maryland in the first round on a last-second goal assisted by one of DeLuca's lost children, Henry West, who, IIRC, scored Maryland's game-winning goal against Yale yesterday.

So 2016 could be a rebuilding year. But the freshmen who get more playing time will be awesome the three years after that. Maybe Matt Kerwick can learn and grow further into his position.

You're right, Al. I was thinking back to the two games we played at Maryland the year before (2013), both wins (Terps then Ohio State), before falling to Duke in the semifinals.

Quote from: billhowardSo 2016 could be a rebuilding year. But the freshmen who get more playing time will be awesome the three years after that. Maybe Matt Kerwick can learn and grow further into his position.

This is, or was, one of the preeminant programs in the country. This is not a program where the coach learns now to coach on the job. It is a program where a proven coach takes things to the next level. Kerwick has failed at this. If you are interested in mediocracy you have found your man.

Quote from: TowerroadThis is, or was, one of the preeminant programs in the country. This is not a program where the coach learns now to coach on the job. It is a program where a proven coach takes things to the next level. Kerwick has failed at this. If you are interested in mediocracy you have found your man.

The majority of the past half-century, Cornell has not hired someone else's proven head coach. Ned Harkness came to Cornell with college head coaching experience in lacrosse (and hockey). From then on, there was a lot of learning on the job. Richie Moran (1969-1997) had only HS and club team coaching experience. Dave Pietramala (Cornell 1998-2000) came to Cornell after five HS and college assistant coaching positions. Jeff Tambroni (2001-2010) came to Cornell's head coaching position after three assistant positions including Cornell. Ben DeLuca (2011-2013) was an assistant (twice) at Cornell before becoming head coach. Matt Kerwick (2014-2015) had more than a decade of head coaching experience plus assistant experiences at several schools including Penn and Georgetown.

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Quote from: TowerroadThis is, or was, one of the preeminant programs in the country. This is not a program where the coach learns now to coach on the job. It is a program where a proven coach takes things to the next level. Kerwick has failed at this. If you are interested in mediocracy you have found your man.

The majority of the past half-century, Cornell has not hired someone else's proven head coach. Ned Harkness came to Cornell with college head coaching experience in lacrosse (and hockey). From then on, there was a lot of learning on the job. Richie Moran (1969-1997) had only HS and club team coaching experience. Dave Pietramala (Cornell 1998-2000) came to Cornell after five HS and college assistant coaching positions. Jeff Tambroni (2001-2010) came to Cornell's head coaching position after three assistant positions including Cornell. Ben DeLuca (2011-2013) was an assistant (twice) at Cornell before becoming head coach. Matt Kerwick (2014-2015) had more than a decade of head coaching experience plus assistant experiences at several schools including Penn and Georgetown.

Thanks, someone needed to stop all the boo birds with incorrect data. This was a terrible second half of a season, but if he really can recruit and then coach his own talent, maybe he'll show true head coaching ability. I certainly don't know, but I do know we don't have enough data to properly judge him. Therefore I think he deserves time to succeed. People loved Pietramala, but how successful has he ended up being at JHU? Since 2008 he's never won more than 1 NCAA game/season. Then look at Tambroni's 5 year PSU record, 40-33 and a total of 1 NCAA apperance. Do I wish we could get back to lacrosse glory, hell yes, but before we say the coach must go, how about trying to say who would be better.

Good to see actual facts posted here. Bottom line, Cornell is not going to go out and hire a proven head coach away from some other school. And even if they try, it doesn't always work well. See Sowell at Navy (reportedly the highest-paid coach in DI). Cassese of Lehigh was reported to be a candidate (along with Kerwick) last year for the Cornell job. I think that would not have worked well and was against it, but who knows?? Very very hard to get this right, IMO.

Also, calling Henry West one of "DeLuca's lost children", as if he was a recruit who decided to decommit because DeLuca was gone, is totally backward. The Wests (Henry and brother Andrew) were not happy with DeLuca. Andrew left the team (eventually graduating from Cornell) and Henry decamped for Maryland while DeLuca was still the head coach.

Jeff Tambroni has not found Cornell-like success in Happy Valley: 40-33 overall, high water mark in 2013, one NCAA tournament.

2011    7-7
2012    9-6
2013   12-5
2014    7-6
2015    5-9

Quote from: CU77Also, calling Henry West one of "DeLuca's lost children", as if he was a recruit who decided to decommit because DeLuca was gone, is totally backward. The Wests (Henry and brother Andrew) were not happy with DeLuca. Andrew left the team (eventually graduating from Cornell) and Henry decamped for Maryland while DeLuca was still the head coach.

That's exactly what I wrote ["one of DeLuca's lost children"], and it's not "backward" at all.  I wrote nothing about his decommitting because DeLuca was gone.

DeLuca "lost" the Wests, not DeLuca's firing.  I'm tired of all this lionizing of DeLuca.  He recruited poorly as a head coach and lost a lot of sons and brothers of Cornell lacrosse alums.  His 2013 team had a very undersized roster as a result.

Sorry, I thought you were agreeing with billhoward and towerroad, who were talking about recruits decommiting due to DeLuca's firing.

Quote from: billhowardJeff Tambroni has not found Cornell-like success in Happy Valley: 40-33 overall, high water mark in 2013, one NCAA tournament.

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Does that suggest that you would not like to see him return to Cornell?

First of all, Tambroni is not ever returning to Cornell. Why would he leave PSU, which will let him stay until he retires as long as the results are not truly miserable, to return to a school that has many more restrictions on recruiting, and that fired his hand-picked successor a few years later, just after he'd gotten the team to the Final Four? None of us on the outside know what happened there, but I'm sure Tambroni is well aware of DeLuca's version of events, and that that version doesn't make Cornell look good.

Then, it's not at all clear how good a coach Tambroni is. The PSU results are certainly disappointing. Maybe he just got lucky at Cornell. He did have two all-time great players in Seibald and Pannell, whom he recruited. Hasn't done anything remotely close at PSU. Why not? Impossible to say.

The bottom line is that it's very very hard to judge coaching talent, IMO. It's a combination of recruiting and coaching, talent in picking assistants, and all done in a particular environment (each school) that strongly influences the results. I've already mentioned Navy. How about Princeton? Would you fire Bates? Princeton believed he was the best guy they could get at the time, but the results since are also disappointing.

Kerwick can't be fairly judged until he has a few years of recruiting, and can't be fired unless there are several years of awful results (eg, last in the Ivies) without poisoning the well of coaches who might consider coming to Cornell.

I think Kerwick may well work out fine. I'm not sure what the problems this year were (especially on offense), but only if they persist year after year can we assign a lot blame to the head coach.

Quote from: CU77First of all, Tambroni is not ever returning to Cornell. Why would he leave PSU, which will let him stay until he retires as long as the results are not truly miserable, to return to a school that has many more restrictions on recruiting, and that fired his hand-picked successor a few years later, just after he'd gotten the team to the Final Four? None of us on the outside know what happened there, but I'm sure Tambroni is well aware of DeLuca's version of events, and that that version doesn't make Cornell look good.

Then, it's not at all clear how good a coach Tambroni is. The PSU results are certainly disappointing. Maybe he just got lucky at Cornell. He did have two all-time great players in Seibald and Pannell, whom he recruited. Hasn't done anything remotely close at PSU. Why not? Impossible to say.

The bottom line is that it's very very hard to judge coaching talent, IMO. It's a combination of recruiting and coaching, talent in picking assistants, and all done in a particular environment (each school) that strongly influences the results. I've already mentioned Navy. How about Princeton? Would you fire Bates? Princeton believed he was the best guy they could get at the time, but the results since are also disappointing.

Kerwick can't be fairly judged until he has a few years of recruiting, and can't be fired unless there are several years of awful results (eg, last in the Ivies) without poisoning the well of coaches who might consider coming to Cornell.

I think Kerwick may well work out fine. I'm not sure what the problems this year were (especially on offense), but only if they persist year after year can we assign a lot blame to the head coach.

I agree with you Tambroni is not coming back. But the arguement that Kerwick needs to recruit and then we should wait to see what he does with the recruits does not deal with the central issue. So far, he had not demonstrated that he can do anything with players once they arrive on campus.

Agreed. Let's see what kind of recruiter Kerwick is.  I would like to see a stronger second offensive midfield line.  I think perhaps the first line was run into the ground because they were out there for 90% of possessions and that does not translate well into tourney success either in the Ivies or the NCAAs.

Clearly our lack of depth all around hurt this team.  

To compete at the elite levels you need one of two things:  an absolute superstar scorer (see Pannell, Rob) or a crap-load of depth. Preferably both.  Buczek is very good but he's not a superstar.  And even the ESPN announcers said that the role of our second midfield was simply to "hold on." That's not good enough if you don't have a superstar scorer.

They also pointed out that Albany had more players to sub in and out than we did.  So is it likely that our guys were more burned out by the end of the season than other schools with more depth?  It's certainly a theory as to why we did well in the beginning of the year and tail off towards the end, including losing to teams in the Ivy tourney that we previously beat.

Now, is part of the issue that Kerwick inherited deLuca's ineffective recruiting?  Yes. Add to that the recruiting confusion associated with the abrupt coaching change and the "interim" label and you have a depth problem.  So we need to see whether he can improve on that with time.

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Quote from: CU77First of all, Tambroni is not ever returning to Cornell. Why would he leave PSU, which will let him stay until he retires as long as the results are not truly miserable, to return to a school that has many more restrictions on recruiting, and that fired his hand-picked successor a few years later, just after he'd gotten the team to the Final Four? None of us on the outside know what happened there, but I'm sure Tambroni is well aware of DeLuca's version of events, and that that version doesn't make Cornell look good.

Then, it's not at all clear how good a coach Tambroni is. The PSU results are certainly disappointing. Maybe he just got lucky at Cornell. He did have two all-time great players in Seibald and Pannell, whom he recruited. Hasn't done anything remotely close at PSU. Why not? Impossible to say.

The bottom line is that it's very very hard to judge coaching talent, IMO. It's a combination of recruiting and coaching, talent in picking assistants, and all done in a particular environment (each school) that strongly influences the results. I've already mentioned Navy. How about Princeton? Would you fire Bates? Princeton believed he was the best guy they could get at the time, but the results since are also disappointing.

Kerwick can't be fairly judged until he has a few years of recruiting, and can't be fired unless there are several years of awful results (eg, last in the Ivies) without poisoning the well of coaches who might consider coming to Cornell.

I think Kerwick may well work out fine. I'm not sure what the problems this year were (especially on offense), but only if they persist year after year can we assign a lot blame to the head coach.

I agree with you Tambroni is not coming back. But the arguement that Kerwick needs to recruit and then we should wait to see what he does with the recruits does not deal with the central issue. So far, he had not demonstrated that he can do anything with players once they arrive on campus.

Your fan perspective approach of firing winning coaches at the first sign that they aren't winning quite enough to meet your lofty standards would quickly make you the worst AD in the history of college athletics. Who would want to work under those conditions?

You could be right that Kerwick is the wrong guy for the job - there's at least one other person around these parts who has been saying as much since he was named to the position - but given that he's been hired as the full time head coach you need to give him one or two more seasons to settle the question of whether this is his problem, a problem he inherited, or just an unfortunate mismatch between his preferred system and the skills of the players he inherited. Unless you're actually in practice or somehow connected to the team it's very difficult to distinguish between these possibilities based solely on on-field performance.

For reference, the University of Michigan did not fire *either* of its last two head football coaches after 2 seasons. Look at the records - particularly for Rich Rodriguez - and you'll see they're substantially uglier than what you're seeing with Kerwick. This is especially true in the context of a program like Michigan Football, which was apparently 2 seasons off of a Rose Bowl win when Rodriguez took over.

Quote from: CU77First of all, Tambroni is not ever returning to Cornell.

Absolutely true.  He's seen us nekkid.  He knows where the warts are.  Not to mention the salary structure.

Quote from: CU77Hasn't done anything remotely close at PSU. Why not? Impossible to say.

No it isn't:  Maryland, Johns Hopkins in 2015, 15-2 Loyola in 2014, along with losses to Denver and Notre Dame.  To some extent the post Paterno turmoil.  He went to a university with thin lacrosse tradition, if any, and without the major alumni support he enjoyed at Cornell.  I'm much warmer on his chances to be successful at PSU than Coach Kerwick's at Cornell based on how the last two seasons have gone.

Quote from: CU77Kerwick can't be fairly judged until he has a few years of recruiting, and can't be fired unless there are several years of awful results (eg, last in the Ivies) without poisoning the well of coaches who might consider coming to Cornell.

Gawd!  I hope you're not saying he has to turn us into Dartmouth before we can make a change.  It takes a long time to build the recruiting cred we have now - and that can be gone awfully fast.  I agree that it would be unfair to fire him now, but my threshold would be 3rd or worse in the Ivies for 2 seasons.

So you're going to fire a coach for finishing 3rd in a 7-team league for two years? That's hilarious!

I sure hope you can be head coach, because absolutely no one else who is any good at all would take the job under those circumstances. Every candidate will demand at least a five-year contract.

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Quote from: CU77Hasn't done anything remotely close at PSU. Why not? Impossible to say.

No it isn't:  Maryland, Johns Hopkins in 2015, 15-2 Loyola in 2014, along with losses to Denver and Notre Dame.  To some extent the post Paterno turmoil.  He went to a university with thin lacrosse tradition, if any, and without the major alumni support he enjoyed at Cornell.  I'm much warmer on his chances to be successful at PSU than Coach Kerwick's at Cornell based on how the last two seasons have gone.

So how's Bill Tierney doing at Denver?

Quote from: CU77Kerwick can't be fairly judged until he has a few years of recruiting, and can't be fired unless there are several years of awful results (eg, last in the Ivies) without poisoning the well of coaches who might consider coming to Cornell.

But Kerwick continues a troubling thread going back to Tamboroni at least. This is an over-reliance on starters and a corresponding failure to develop other players during the course of a season.

I agree: a new coach should get the chance to recruit players who fit his system. And Kerwick seems to be doing a good job recruiting. But a truly great coach gets the players he's inherited to play above expectations. (Cf. e.g., one N. Harkness.) We've had two seasons in a row with late-season dives. The starters are being run into the ground, and the rest of the team isn't being developed to carry its share of the load. Hopefully this changes. Do you think it will?

You're right, Tambroni and DeLuca and Kerwick all relied heavily on one starters. After three different coaches have done it, I have to start wondering if they know something that we don't. Maybe they think the starters need all that playing time to have a chance to compete with the top programs. Maybe they think the dropoff in talent further down the roster is too great a risk. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that the coaches know about this issue and that they have their reasons.

You are right about truly great coaches. There are very few of these, and no good evidence that Tambroni or DeLuca or Kerwick is one of them. But the chances that Cornell could hire one are also very small. Cornell got lucky with Harkness and Moran and Pietramala, who were definitely not proven names when hired. Same is true with Princeton's hiring of Tierney. His replacement Bates, though, seems to be in the "not great" category along with so many others. Or did Princeton tighten up previously loose admissions policies that benefitted Tierney (as has been claimed by some)? His last years at Princeton were not great either. (And it always brings a smile to my face to remember that Tierney's last game as coach of Princeton was a loss at home in the NCAA quarterfinals to Cornell.)

Quote from: CU77You're right, Tambroni and DeLuca and Kerwick all relied heavily on one starters. After three different coaches have done it, I have to start wondering if they know something that we don't. Maybe they think the starters need all that playing time to have a chance to compete with the top programs. Maybe they think the dropoff in talent further down the roster is too great a risk. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that the coaches know about this issue and that they have their reasons.

You are right about truly great coaches. There are very few of these, and no good evidence that Tambroni or DeLuca or Kerwick is one of them. But the chances that Cornell could hire one are also very small. Cornell got lucky with Harkness and Moran and Pietramala, who were definitely not proven names when hired. Same is true with Princeton's hiring of Tierney. His replacement Bates, though, seems to be in the "not great" category along with so many others. Or did Princeton tighten up previously loose admissions policies that benefitted Tierney (as has been claimed by some)? His last years at Princeton were not great either. (And it always brings a smile to my face to remember that Tierney's last game as coach of Princeton was a loss at home in the NCAA quarterfinals to Cornell.)

One point I'd make in response is that since Tambroni our "rebuilding" years have been more like "reloading" years. This implies to me that the talent is there.  For example, Connor Buczek hardly played his freshman year. The trick is to bring that talent along faster in order to develop depth by the end of the season while still winning enough games to get an at-large bid should we not win the ILT. (Something that we've done regularly.) I think losing one regular season game in return for having depth on Memorial Day is a good tradeoff. Two or three, not so much. But I couldn't help but notice the freshmen who contributed to Princeton and Albany.

Another point is that the past two years under Kerwick the team has had a late-season swoon. This is new and a real problem. The losses at the end of the 2015 season would be easier to swallow if we had been playing our best lacrosse at the end of the season. We weren't. Not even close.

The only luck Cornell had in hiring Harkness was being able to hire him. He was a proven winner, with one hockey NC already under his belt. We also had the excellent luck of being closer to Canada than RPI is (as he said in the Sports Illustrated article (http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/54027063/poison-ivy-ivy-league)).

Cornell swooned in 2012 under DeLuca. We beat Syracuse in mid-April 12-6, and had only one loss, by 8-9 to Virginia. Then: lost to Brown (who finished the season 7-8), lost to Princeton, lost to Yale in the first ILT game. Connor Buczek was a freshman, had almost no playing time. Looked fantastic when he got on the field against Yale for a few minutes after it was too late.

So a late swoon is not something that's new with Kerwick.

Okay, our season is over, but there is still news. The question is will anyone read this?  

Four lacrosse players are AAs. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/21/MLAX_0521155858.aspx) Buczek, Stevens, Donovan, and Cook were named AA, while Buczek won the Senior CLASS Award for lacrosse. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/22/MLAX_0522152821.aspx)

Quote from: Jim HylaOkay, our season is over, but there is still news. The question is will anyone read this?  

Four lacrosse players are AAs. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/21/MLAX_0521155858.aspx) Buczek, Stevens, Donovan, and Cook were named AA, while Buczek won the Senior CLASS Award for lacrosse. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/22/MLAX_0522152821.aspx)

Kudos to all four, especially Buczek for AA & CLASS. But can this quote in the article about the CLASS award possibly be right?

Quote from: Cornell Athletics Department[Buczek] was also accepted into Cornell's prestigious Johnson Graduate School of Management as one of only two individuals to be admitted directly into the school from undergraduate studies.

If I read this correctly, it implies that out of all applicants to Johnson only 2 were accepted fresh out of undergraduate school. All the rest had several years of work experience, were in the military, etc. Hard to believe.

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Quote from: Jim HylaOkay, our season is over, but there is still news. The question is will anyone read this?  

Four lacrosse players are AAs. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/21/MLAX_0521155858.aspx) Buczek, Stevens, Donovan, and Cook were named AA, while Buczek won the Senior CLASS Award for lacrosse. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/22/MLAX_0522152821.aspx)

Kudos to all four, especially Buczek for AA & CLASS. But can this quote in the article about the CLASS award possibly be right?

Quote from: Cornell Athletics Department[Buczek] was also accepted into Cornell's prestigious Johnson Graduate School of Management as one of only two individuals to be admitted directly into the school from undergraduate studies.

If I read this correctly, it implies that out of all applicants to Johnson only 2 were accepted fresh out of undergraduate school. All the rest had several years of work experience, were in the military, etc. Hard to believe.

Don't have any info on Johnson specifically, but B-schools are definitely expecting more and more applicants to have work experience before applying. Winning the CLASS award certainly indicates that Buczek has "extenuating circumstances" (the good kind) that would make him the exception to the rule.

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Quote from: Jim HylaOkay, our season is over, but there is still news. The question is will anyone read this?  

Four lacrosse players are AAs. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/21/MLAX_0521155858.aspx) Buczek, Stevens, Donovan, and Cook were named AA, while Buczek won the Senior CLASS Award for lacrosse. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/22/MLAX_0522152821.aspx)

Kudos to all four, especially Buczek for AA & CLASS. But can this quote in the article about the CLASS award possibly be right?

Quote from: Cornell Athletics Department[Buczek] was also accepted into Cornell's prestigious Johnson Graduate School of Management as one of only two individuals to be admitted directly into the school from undergraduate studies.

If I read this correctly, it implies that out of all applicants to Johnson only 2 were accepted fresh out of undergraduate school. All the rest had several years of work experience, were in the military, etc. Hard to believe.

Don't have any info on Johnson specifically, but B-schools are definitely expecting more and more applicants to have work experience before applying. Winning the CLASS award certainly indicates that Buczek has "extenuating circumstances" (the good kind) that could make him the exception to the rule.

I don't know this for a fact but it is quite possible the CLASS story is slightly incorrect.  Rather than being only 1 of 2 undergrads accepted, Connor may be 1 or 2 Cornell undergrads admitted to the next class. That makes more sense.

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Quote from: Jim HylaOkay, our season is over, but there is still news. The question is will anyone read this?  

Four lacrosse players are AAs. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/21/MLAX_0521155858.aspx) Buczek, Stevens, Donovan, and Cook were named AA, while Buczek won the Senior CLASS Award for lacrosse. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/22/MLAX_0522152821.aspx)

Kudos to all four, especially Buczek for AA & CLASS. But can this quote in the article about the CLASS award possibly be right?

Quote from: Cornell Athletics Department[Buczek] was also accepted into Cornell's prestigious Johnson Graduate School of Management as one of only two individuals to be admitted directly into the school from undergraduate studies.

If I read this correctly, it implies that out of all applicants to Johnson only 2 were accepted fresh out of undergraduate school. All the rest had several years of work experience, were in the military, etc. Hard to believe.

Don't have any info on Johnson specifically, but B-schools are definitely expecting more and more applicants to have work experience before applying. Winning the CLASS award certainly indicates that Buczek has "extenuating circumstances" (the good kind) that would make him the exception to the rule.

From the Johnson web site (https://www.johnson.cornell.edu/About/Key-Facts), in the 2-year program the Class of 2016 had an average of 4.7 years of work experience.  There's no hint of the distribution.    Of those looking for work, 90% of graduates in the Class of 2014 had a job within 3 months of graduation, commanding an average salary of $110,900 plus an average signing bonus of $27,500.  The latter data suggests to me that experience is common.

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Quote from: Jim HylaOkay, our season is over, but there is still news. The question is will anyone read this?  

Four lacrosse players are AAs. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/21/MLAX_0521155858.aspx) Buczek, Stevens, Donovan, and Cook were named AA, while Buczek won the Senior CLASS Award for lacrosse. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2015/5/22/MLAX_0522152821.aspx)

Kudos to all four, especially Buczek for AA & CLASS. But can this quote in the article about the CLASS award possibly be right?

Quote from: Cornell Athletics Department[Buczek] was also accepted into Cornell's prestigious Johnson Graduate School of Management as one of only two individuals to be admitted directly into the school from undergraduate studies.

If I read this correctly, it implies that out of all applicants to Johnson only 2 were accepted fresh out of undergraduate school. All the rest had several years of work experience, were in the military, etc. Hard to believe.

Don't have any info on Johnson specifically, but B-schools are definitely expecting more and more applicants to have work experience before applying. Winning the CLASS award certainly indicates that Buczek has "extenuating circumstances" (the good kind) that would make him the exception to the rule.

From the Johnson web site (https://www.johnson.cornell.edu/About/Key-Facts), in the 2-year program the Class of 2016 had an average of 4.7 years of work experience.  There's no hint of the distribution.    Of those looking for work, 90% of graduates in the Class of 2014 had a job within 3 months of graduation, commanding an average salary of $110,900 plus an average signing bonus of $27,500.  The latter data suggests to me that experience is common.

I suspect the article is referring to the 5 year MBA program (4 years undergrad + 1 year MBA), which admits a "handful" of students each year. All of them will be Cornell undergrads, and a member of the Lax team winning the CLASS award would certainly show the leadership potential needed to win one of these slots in the MBA program. My understanding is top business schools don't accept undergrads as a matter of course, and only really do so via special programs like Cornell's 5-year MBA. It would not surprise me if there were 2 Cornell undergrads admitted through the 5 year MBA and 0 direct college graduates accepted through the standard admissions process.

Even if this was standard admissions, 2 kids getting in straight out of undergrad is pretty reasonable. The Johnson School admits a few hundred applicants each year, and I read somewhere that 10% of them are Cornell alums, so if you do random allotment around an average of ~1% of accepted students coming straight from undergrad, 1 out of 2 coming from Cornell would be somewhat unlikely but not terribly surprising.

Quote from: SwampyThe only luck Cornell had in hiring Harkness was being able to hire him. He was a proven winner, with one hockey NC already under his belt.

jHarkness also had the 1952 USILA national lacrosse championship under his belt while at RPI, as co-winners with Virginia.  His 1948 RPI team was invited to London to play the British All-Stars in an exhibition game at Wembley Stadium as part of the Olympics.  Ned came to Cornell with a pretty solid lacrosse resume.

Connor was not admitted to the 5 year program; he is doing the "regular" 2 year MBA track.

Quote from: dag14Connor was not admitted to the 5 year program; he is doing the "regular" 2 year MBA track.

Interesting. Good for him - from everything I've heard gaining admission to a top MBA program straight out of undergrad is a rare feat.

Ben DeLuca to join Harvard coaching staff.  Discuss amongst yourselves

Quote from: CASBen DeLuca to join Harvard coaching staff.  Discuss amongst yourselves

As the great George Costanza once said (and I paraphrase), "they're sticking it to us Jerry, I tell you sticking it to us!"

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Quote from: CASBen DeLuca to join Harvard coaching staff.  Discuss amongst yourselves

As the great George Costanza once said (and I paraphrase), "they're sticking it to us Jerry, I tell you sticking it to us!"

And yet, we gave him the door....for reasons that were never explained, and must never be mentioned (God forbid) upon fear of excommunication.
Interesting.

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Profile of Matt Donovan '15, now with the Chesapeake Bayhawks

http://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/pro_sports/ph-ac-cs-matt-donovan-feature-072116-20160720-story.html

Quote from: Coach Brian Reese"Matt is the type of player who makes everyone around him better. I think Matt is a really underrated dodger, but he's also very good at getting open off-ball."