Colin Greening gets the insurance goal (his sixth of the year) in Ottawa's 4-2 stadium series win Sunday at Vancouver. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/03/hkn-senators-canucks-writethru-idUSMTZEA33U2QXDE20140303 Drew 54,194 and because of rain / light snow the stadium roof was kept closed. Nothing like Saturday's game at Soldiers Field, Black Hawks - Penguins, played in a serious snowfall.
Riley Nash had an assist in Carolina's 5-3 loss to Anaheim.
https://twitter.com/aaronward_nhl/status/440531935992225792
2 years $4.6mm (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ben-scrivens-oilers-agree-two-2-3-million-194102937--nhl.html)
Moulson has to move today..........Kings? Blues make another deal in a Cup or bust gamble?
He's not at the Sabres morning skate today.
Quote from: RatushnyFanMoulson has to move today..........Kings? Blues make another deal in a Cup or bust gamble?
He's not at the Sabres morning skate today.
Oh heck, as a sorrowful Sabres fan, I'll join in the "breathless trade deadline update" game:
https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/441252526206509056
Not our alum, and to play the "oh my god, I'm so old" game, Martin St. Louis is reported to be taking his act to Broadway (http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=26809). I remember him being so quick, stopping on dimes, and easy to find on the ice (at least from the stands, defensemen would probably disagree).
Quote from: RatushnyFanMoulson has to move today..........Kings?
Guess not. Kings just got Gaborik.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RatushnyFanMoulson has to move today..........Kings?
Guess not. Kings just got Gaborik.
Sounding like Minnesota.
Went to see Martin Brodeur's maybe last game as a Devil (and see Elias back-to-the-net backhand goal that made ESPN highlights. Guy in front of me turned around, he was wearing a Cornell Hockey sweatshirt. I said hello, asked him when he was graduated from Cornell, did he watch the Harvard game Saturday, and he said, "I went to Ithaca College. I just like the sweatshirt." That's nice.
Quote from: RitaNot our alum, and to play the "oh my god, I'm so old" game, Martin St. Louis is reported to be taking his act to Broadway (http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=26809). I remember him being so quick, stopping on dimes, and easy to find on the ice (at least from the stands, defensemen would probably disagree).
TSN.ca says it's St. Louis for Callahan, a 1st Rd 2015 pick and a conditional 2014 2nd round pick.
https://twitter.com/buffnewsvogl/status/441304317891317760
So not only do my Penguins not add Moulson, but they added Lee Stempniak. Lee Goddamned Stempniak!
Quote from: DafatoneSo not only do my Penguins not add Moulson, but they added Lee Stempniak. Lee Goddamned Stempniak!
Your team was already full of hacks from schools Cornell fans don't like (including Dartmouth), what's one more? :-}
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: DafatoneSo not only do my Penguins not add Moulson, but they added Lee Stempniak. Lee Goddamned Stempniak!
Your team was already full of hacks from schools Cornell fans don't like (including Dartmouth), what's one more? :-}
Tanner Glass is the only one from once I started following Cornell hockey on (I think). Craig Adams was before my time, and Lovejoy's gone. This makes two. Unless I'm missing someone.
Augh.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: DafatoneSo not only do my Penguins not add Moulson, but they added Lee Stempniak. Lee Goddamned Stempniak!
Your team was already full of hacks from schools Cornell fans don't like (including Dartmouth), what's one more? :-}
Tanner Glass is the only one from once I started following Cornell hockey on (I think). Craig Adams was before my time, and Lovejoy's gone. This makes two. Unless I'm missing someone.
Augh.
I guess it depends where you draw the line on schools we don't like. You've got some BC guys there too.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: DafatoneSo not only do my Penguins not add Moulson, but they added Lee Stempniak. Lee Goddamned Stempniak!
Your team was already full of hacks from schools Cornell fans don't like (including Dartmouth), what's one more? :-}
Tanner Glass is the only one from once I started following Cornell hockey on (I think). Craig Adams was before my time, and Lovejoy's gone. This makes two. Unless I'm missing someone.
Augh.
I guess it depends where you draw the line on schools we don't like. You've got some BC guys there too.
What schools DO we like? I guess Wisconsin would be OK.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: DafatoneSo not only do my Penguins not add Moulson, but they added Lee Stempniak. Lee Goddamned Stempniak!
Your team was already full of hacks from schools Cornell fans don't like (including Dartmouth), what's one more? :-}
Tanner Glass is the only one from once I started following Cornell hockey on (I think). Craig Adams was before my time, and Lovejoy's gone. This makes two. Unless I'm missing someone.
Augh.
I guess it depends where you draw the line on schools we don't like. You've got some BC guys there too.
What schools DO we like? I guess Wisconsin would be OK.
A friend of mine has wondered this, since every time I mention an NHL player I know from college, it's in a disparaging light.
I think I like Clarkson, as far as ECAC teams go. RPI's alright. Of the Ivies, I guess Brown's my 2nd favorite. More accurate to say fifth least favorite, though.
Quote from: DafatoneOf the Ivies, I guess Brown's my 2nd favorite. More accurate to say fifth least favorite, though.
I have no problem with Columbia, the "shitty Ivy." Their students are probably the most insufferably "Urban Baby," but the institution itself is a nice idea, if relocated to say Denver or Atlanta.
Brown itself is pretty ridiculous -- Reed College with a larger endowment -- but it can stay for the H. P. Lovecraft allure.
Dartmouth is fun for the comic relief.
Penn is basically Cornell transplanted to Detroit.
HYP can die in a fire.
Hockey schools I dislike: Sucks, Minnesota, BU. Especially Sucks. That's personal.
Hockey schools I respect: NoDak, Wisconsin, UNH
Regarding other Ivies, I'll tease someone or boo when I hear someone went to another Ivy school. Especially with my sister, who went to Penn. But it's all in fun.
Not to pick on anyone's post in particular, but for a long time I've wondered why people dislike other schools, teams, etc. I mean when we are playing them, I go for it, but before and after, why do I, or anyone, need to dislike them? I think it's funny to see fish on the ice, but should I hate, despise, dislike (you pick the word) Harvard so much, that if one of their players goes to an NHL team, I need to dislike that team? I live in Syracuse, and when we play them I surely want to beat them, but afterwards, do I have to have bad feelings about them? I hate the idea of big time NCAA athletics, but I don't hate the school, just because they play within the system. When my daughter went to pick a college, she chose SU, as they have one of the most varied language departments that she saw, more than CU, it seemed. Like many, and maybe most, other students, she could care less about sports and whether SU wins or loses. Are we supposed to dislike all students who go to one of the schools we dislike?
I loved going to Boston for the ECACs in the 60s and 70s. You'd come knowing that most other fans were going to cheer against you, as much or more than they were cheering for another school. It was great when, after all that, you could come out a winner. But I still want to go out and have fun with them afterwards. One of the best things about going to away games with a Lodboa jersey on, is to have other schools fans come up and talk about how good he and those teams were. How much they enjoyed the games, even when they lost.
Maybe I've grown soft in my old age, and you know I'll cheer vociferously when we're on the ice, but afterwards, I'd rather have a beer and talk good hockey.
I went to Michigan for grad school and really liked the university and the hockey team. They copied our cheers but Yost was a nice environment when I went there and half the team made it to the NHL.
What about Union? They've built up quite a program in my view. Not sure what the fan base is like. Ylae is also coming around, no? Sure, they're a rival, but they drawing some excellent recruits. I'm not a fan of Quinnipiac's campus environment although they have some nice players.
Quote from: Jim HylaNot to pick on anyone's post in particular, but for a long time I've wondered why people dislike other schools, teams, etc. I mean when we are playing them, I go for it, but before and after, why do I, or anyone, need to dislike them?
Maybe I've grown soft in my old age, and you know I'll cheer vociferously when we're on the ice, but afterwards, I'd rather have a beer and talk good hockey.
Not soft but maybe wise. My son is an Eli and hates Harvard during the games and especially during "The Game" but long ago I realized it didn't translate to hatred after the games, He was part of the Yale Glee Club and the schools did concerts together and put each other up (provided dormitory arrangements) when hosting the other club on campus. Their songs show funny ridicule of Harvard and the history of Yale being formed as a break away from that school in Cambridge are known well.
You may truly hate the other team but you can root against them without hating the individuals or the school.
(Now Union fans and players are excepted in this conversation ;-) )
Quote from: TrotskyPenn is basically Cornell transplanted to Detroit.
Excellent line even if Detroit is a tragedy (built on hubris and hydrocarbons). Reminiscent of "New Haven minus Yale equals Bridgeport."
Quote from: billhowardReminiscent of "New Haven minus Yale equals Bridgeport."
Never heard this before. That's just cold, man. :-O
Quote from: Jim HylaNot to pick on anyone's post in particular, but for a long time I've wondered why people dislike other schools, teams, etc. I mean when we are playing them, I go for it, but before and after, why do I, or anyone, need to dislike them?
Disliking schools for the type of student they attract and/or what they stand for is fine. I doubt anybody above 35 degrees North or an IQ of 90 (but I repeat myself) actually hates a school based solely on a sports rivalry.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: TrotskyPenn is basically Cornell transplanted to Detroit.
Excellent line even if Detroit is a tragedy (built on hubris and hydrocarbons). Reminiscent of "New Haven minus Yale equals Bridgeport."
And yet Bridgeport equals the only city that draws fans for hockey regionals.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaNot to pick on anyone's post in particular, but for a long time I've wondered why people dislike other schools, teams, etc. I mean when we are playing them, I go for it, but before and after, why do I, or anyone, need to dislike them?
Disliking schools for the type of student they attract and/or what they stand for is fine. I doubt anybody above 35 degrees North or an IQ of 90 (but I repeat myself) actually hates a school based solely on a sports rivalry.
This sounds about right. "Don't like" in my original post really should be in air quotes. I guess there are a couple of different categories. There are a few individuals I genuinely dislike for thuggery-related reasons (Bob Gaudet, Willie Mitchell, Mark Morris, Brooks Orpik come to mind) or for being obnoxious (Gaudet again, Tim Thomas, Chris Kunitz). There are guys I "hate" but don't really hate for playing well against Cornell (Dominic Moore, recent Yale teams). But, by and large any antipathy for players or teams or schools as a whole is limited to during the games (or the shitshow that is the USCHO Fan Forum at NCAA Tournament time); I have friends and friendly coworkers from all kinds of schools I "don't like". I really was just giving Dafatone a hard time over all the non-Cornell former NCAA guys on the Pens.
Quote from: TrotskyPenn is basically Cornell transplanted to Detroit.
You might have to update this; West Philly has come a long way over the past ~20 years.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaNot to pick on anyone's post in particular, but for a long time I've wondered why people dislike other schools, teams, etc. I mean when we are playing them, I go for it, but before and after, why do I, or anyone, need to dislike them?
Disliking schools for the type of student they attract and/or what they stand for is fine. I doubt anybody above 35 degrees North or an IQ of 90 (but I repeat myself) actually hates a school based solely on a sports rivalry.
I'm pretty sure I hate Dartmouth because of Bob Gaudet. Well, Gaudet, the other goons, the connection between their frat behavior and wall street that Rolling Stone pointed out... but mostly Gaudet.
North Dakota's high up on my hate list because of Ralph Engelstad. They can come off the list as soon as they change their logo/mascot.
I guess it depends on what you mean by hate. The hate doesn't really carry over to non-sports; I wouldn't hold it against someone that they went to Dartmouth or anything like that. I hate Duke basketball and Duke is my cousin's first choice, last I checked. If he winds up there, it wouldn't change my opinion of him.
I'd still give him shit for it though, because come on.
Ok, let me clarify. I hate Minnesota's fans because of how they treated us at Mariucci. Some of that spills over to their players.
Re Sucks: I have a cousin who used to be an Associate Professor in the Harvard Business School. She was denied tenure several times when other less qualified male colleagues were given tenure. She sued the university for gender bias. Right after that, there was a very convenient fire in the records departent. So as I said, Harvard is personal.
Quote from: Josh '99But, by and large any antipathy for players or teams or schools as a whole is limited to during the games (or the shitshow that is the USCHO Fan Forum at NCAA Tournament time); I have friends and friendly coworkers from all kinds of schools I "don't like".
Of course. The solution for undergrad bias is grad school. This is also when you figure out that comparing schools on any granularity larger than department is bullshit -- the larger "university" container is just a tax scam.
As far as hate within the sport, it ends at the buzzer. One of the coolest things about Lake Placid, which an entire new generation of ECAC fans is about to experience, is hanging out with fans of all teams (which in practice usually comes down to the North Country plus whoever finished first that year) at the restaurants and bars, trading good-natured ribbing, and enjoying pan-conference hockey solidarity. It works best in LP because the fans take over the entire town for the weekend, unlike Boston or Albany where they dispersed or Atlantic City where the surroundings were so depressing everybody just stayed in their rooms making calls to hookers or suicide hot lines.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Josh '99But, by and large any antipathy for players or teams or schools as a whole is limited to during the games (or the shitshow that is the USCHO Fan Forum at NCAA Tournament time); I have friends and friendly coworkers from all kinds of schools I "don't like".
Of course. The solution for undergrad bias is grad school. This is also when you figure out that comparing schools on any granularity larger than department is bullshit -- the larger "university" container is just a tax scam.
As far as hate within the sport, it ends at the buzzer. One of the coolest things about Lake Placid, which an entire new generation of ECAC fans is about to experience, is hanging out with fans of all teams (which in practice usually comes down to the North Country plus whoever finished first that year) at the restaurants and bars, trading good-natured ribbing, and enjoying pan-conference hockey solidarity. It works best in LP because the fans take over the entire town for the weekend, unlike Boston or Albany where they dispersed or Atlantic City where the surroundings were so depressing everybody just stayed in their rooms making calls to hookers or suicide hot lines.
Something you want to tell the group, Greg?
In the context of universities, I do use the term "hate," but when I use it, all it actually means is that I actively root against said school in every sporting contest known to man, but that I can do it while simultaneously enjoying good times and sporting-fan comraderie with students and alums from those schools. Watching the game is actually most fun when you do it in the componay of fans from a "hated" rival. Would you really prefer Lynah *without* section O? Is it more fun when Section O is full of actively participating opposing fans, or when townies manage to snap up all the tickets returned by the opposing school?
I can't think of a single university that I would prefer that they just dropped off the map, nor would I ever wish bad things on any individual just because they were associated with a particular school.
Quote from: RobbI can't think of a single university that I would prefer that they just dropped off the map
Let me help you out (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/how-liberty-university-creates-creationists.html).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RobbI can't think of a single university that I would prefer that they just dropped off the map
Let me help you out (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/how-liberty-university-creates-creationists.html).
Heh. Forgot those guys - you got me.
Quote from: RobbIn the context of universities, I do use the term "hate," but when I use it, all it actually means is that I actively root against said school in every sporting contest known to man, but that I can do it while simultaneously enjoying good times and sporting-fan comraderie with students and alums from those schools.
The emotional content of sports is much more intense and enjoyable when you have a team that you love and other teams to hate. Of course it's "hate" in quotes. In the grand scheme of things sports doesn't mean anything so your "hatred" shouldn't really mean anything either, other than to enhance an enjoyable pastime. Hopefully there's no one in or around Lynah who hates the other guy the way those two assholes in LA a couple years ago hate Giant fans. If there are I'll be the first to point them out to the authorities.
Quote from: RobbQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: RobbI can't think of a single university that I would prefer that they just dropped off the map
Let me help you out (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/how-liberty-university-creates-creationists.html).
Heh. Forgot those guys - you got me.
Well, even more than those guys, I think one can see corruption in the entire enterprise of higher education today. This doesn't necessarily imply hating an institution or its students per se, but it's easy to hate the administration and the cynical culture that dominates and has dominated for several decades now.
Start with big-time college athletics. As strictly athletic endeavors, I admire teams like Kentucky basketball or Alabama football. But attach them to universities, look at how they use young kids, etc., and they become rather disgusting. Entire books have been written about the corruption associated with big-time college athletics (http://www.amazon.com/Varsity-Green-Culture-Corruption-Athletics/dp/0804769699).
Now step back and look at higher education as a whole. Schematically there are two kinds of corruption. One is among the top-tier schools, where academic integrity plays a distant second fiddle to money. Look at the Amazon page for Jennifer Washburn's
University Inc. (http://www.amazon.com/University-Inc-Corporate-Corruption-Education/dp/0465090524) and the list of suggested books on that page, and you will see literally dozens of books about this theme.
The second is among low-tier schools, where enrollment drives the budget and students are admitted if they can walk and chew gum. Because the budget, and occasionally legislative good will, depend on "retention," students at these schools often can pass if they just show up to class. The subject matter taught in many classes in these schools is at a lower intellectual level than that taught in many decent high-school courses.
The sad fact is that once past perhaps the top 50 institutions, you get to factory schools that cheat their students and cheat society by striving to do little else but put butts in seats. For references, Google "low standards in higher education." This article (http://articles.philly.com/1990-06-28/news/25914674_1_freshmen-at-four-year-colleges-higher-education-high-school-graduates) summarizes some of the main trends. We're talking fundamental knowledge and skills here. I've known second-graders who write better than some graduates of these schools. The fact that such schools take students' money and waste their time is, IMHO, despicable. This is not to say that some students can't get a good education at such schools; it's just that doing so is almost an accident.
Two of the most viral dummies in recent memory, Caitlin Upton (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dlj3iNxZ8Dww&ei=YeIYU_vHN8Xw0gGE3oHoDQ&usg=AFQjCNH4OqC5fWM-rF9nJ3yqFAcJ1OUDrg&sig2=LMuLSir_dUaFZkEKO2W0pw&bvm=bv.62577051,d.eW0) and Marissa Powell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQncdM39H2w), both attended college (Appalachian State and Westminster College, respectively). Now eye candy aside, you can say they both flubbed their answers because of the big spotlight of being in a major beauty competition. But these were college students, not high-school dropouts. They're supposed to be educated people, and their answers should have at least been answers, reasonable or not. And if men participated in similar competitions, I'd wager it wouldn't be difficult to find college men similarly clueless about what a good answer even looks like. IMHO, this reflects on the sham that college education has become in too many institutions.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: TrotskyPenn is basically Cornell transplanted to Detroit.
You might have to update this; West Philly has come a long way over the past ~20 years.
Detroit has gone a long way in 20 years. It is not a joke that Detroit will need to deflate its total square miles, tear up blocks, even neighborhoods, because a bankrupt city can't plow, police, and light streets where there's one resident.
This thread hijack is no fun. Can we get back to talking about our actual alums who are actually playing pro hockey?
Quote from: dag14This thread hijack is no fun. Can we get back to talking about our actual alums who are actually playing pro hockey?
+1
Quote from: Al DeFlorioQuote from: dag14This thread hijack is no fun. Can we get back to talking about our actual alums who are actually playing pro hockey?
+1
Like Scrivens? 32 saves in 3-2 win over Isles, including a Grabner breakaway in last minute of regulation. 3rd star.
Are people assuming Moulson will just move again after this year when Minny signs Vanek in the off-season?
I think he's a rental in MN if Vanek wants to be there. GMs usually go for top-end skill versus grit/determination/going to those dirty goal spots when they have a choice.
I was actually wondering if Moulson would head back to the Islanders to play with his buddy Tavares. Seemingly Garth Snow closed that door, I heard him "defend" the Vanek trade on the NHL radio network yesterday, one of the points he made is that they decided that they weren't going to re-sign Moulson. It was a little unclear if he was saying that the Islanders didn't want him or if they had discussions and couldn't work out the economics. I would assume the latter given his productivity.
I think a lot of teams will want him and he'll be able to land on a good team as a top 6 forward.
Quote from: RatushnyFanI think he's a rental in MN if Vanek wants to be there. GMs usually go for top-end skill versus grit/determination/going to those dirty goal spots when they have a choice.
I was actually wondering if Moulson would head back to the Islanders to play with his buddy Tavares. Seemingly Garth Snow closed that door, I heard him "defend" the Vanek trade on the NHL radio network yesterday, one of the points he made is that they decided that they weren't going to re-sign Moulson. It was a little unclear if he was saying that the Islanders didn't want him or if they had discussions and couldn't work out the economics. I would assume the latter given his productivity.
I think a lot of teams will want him and he'll be able to land on a good team as a top 6 forward.
I'd love him back with the Iles, after Wang sends Snow back to Orono in a wooden box (assuming Wang cares at all now that the Lighthouse development deal is dead. I don't see any reason why he's holding onto the franchise at this point -- I guess he just can't find a buyer).
I heard Snow's little insert statement about the team "not being able" to sign Moulson in the off-season and chalked it up to a desperate attempt to save his job with BS. Same goes with his justification for making up the picks lost in the Moulson deal in the AMac deal. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. "Honey, I know I blew 250k at the track, but it's OK, I made it back up by selling the house, so we're even!"
Quote from: TrotskyI heard Snow's little insert statement about the team "not being able" to sign Moulson in the off-season and chalked it up to a desperate attempt to save his job with BS. Same goes with his justification for making up the picks lost in the Moulson deal in the AMac deal. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. "Honey, I know I blew 250k at the track, but it's OK, I made it back up by selling the house, so we're even!"
Now I know what I sound like when I'm being a bitter Jets fan.
Not that this new-found awareness will change my behavior or anything; it's just interesting to know.
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI heard Snow's little insert statement about the team "not being able" to sign Moulson in the off-season and chalked it up to a desperate attempt to save his job with BS. Same goes with his justification for making up the picks lost in the Moulson deal in the AMac deal. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. "Honey, I know I blew 250k at the track, but it's OK, I made it back up by selling the house, so we're even!"
Now I know what I sound like when I'm being a bitter Jets fan.
Not that this new-found awareness will change my behavior or anything; it's just interesting to know.
It is possible to transcend the bitterness of being a Jets fan. I have done it. Of course, I basically don't watch footbal anymore.
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI heard Snow's little insert statement about the team "not being able" to sign Moulson in the off-season and chalked it up to a desperate attempt to save his job with BS. Same goes with his justification for making up the picks lost in the Moulson deal in the AMac deal. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. "Honey, I know I blew 250k at the track, but it's OK, I made it back up by selling the house, so we're even!"
Now I know what I sound like when I'm being a bitter Jets fan.
No Isles fan who saw 1975-85 is bitter. I didn't realize at the time I'd be paying off that debt for the rest of my NHL-watching life, but it's a deal I'd gladly accept again. Not to mention that being an Isles fan in the 70's is what made me a Cornell hockey fan.
The Isles could go 30 more years of never winning a playoff series and I'd still be way ahead.
Occasionally irritated. But never, ever bitter.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RatushnyFanI think he's a rental in MN if Vanek wants to be there. GMs usually go for top-end skill versus grit/determination/going to those dirty goal spots when they have a choice.
I was actually wondering if Moulson would head back to the Islanders to play with his buddy Tavares. Seemingly Garth Snow closed that door, I heard him "defend" the Vanek trade on the NHL radio network yesterday, one of the points he made is that they decided that they weren't going to re-sign Moulson. It was a little unclear if he was saying that the Islanders didn't want him or if they had discussions and couldn't work out the economics. I would assume the latter given his productivity.
I think a lot of teams will want him and he'll be able to land on a good team as a top 6 forward.
I'd love him back with the Iles, after Wang sends Snow back to Orono in a wooden box ...
Heh.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RatushnyFanI think he's a rental in MN if Vanek wants to be there. GMs usually go for top-end skill versus grit/determination/going to those dirty goal spots when they have a choice.
I was actually wondering if Moulson would head back to the Islanders to play with his buddy Tavares. Seemingly Garth Snow closed that door, I heard him "defend" the Vanek trade on the NHL radio network yesterday, one of the points he made is that they decided that they weren't going to re-sign Moulson. It was a little unclear if he was saying that the Islanders didn't want him or if they had discussions and couldn't work out the economics. I would assume the latter given his productivity.
I think a lot of teams will want him and he'll be able to land on a good team as a top 6 forward.
I'd love him back with the Iles, after Wang sends Snow back to Orono in a wooden box ...
Heh.
Nice!
I think that Moulson is at a crossroads so to speak. If he wants a Cup then he's got to move somewhere besides the Isles. But if he wants to be a scoring machine (for his talent level) then heading back to the Isles with Tavaras make sense. And if he wants to be paid ridiculous amounts of money then start sucking up to Sather!! (said as a Rangers fan)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI heard Snow's little insert statement about the team "not being able" to sign Moulson in the off-season and chalked it up to a desperate attempt to save his job with BS. Same goes with his justification for making up the picks lost in the Moulson deal in the AMac deal. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. "Honey, I know I blew 250k at the track, but it's OK, I made it back up by selling the house, so we're even!"
Now I know what I sound like when I'm being a bitter Jets fan.
No Isles fan who saw 1975-85 is bitter. I didn't realize at the time I'd be paying off that debt for the rest of my NHL-watching life, but it's a deal I'd gladly accept again. Not to mention that being an Isles fan in the 70's is what made me a Cornell hockey fan.
The Isles could go 30 more years of never winning a playoff series and I'd still be way ahead.
Occasionally irritated. But never, ever bitter.
And for the record, it was putting up with JAP Islander fans during my four years at Cornell which helped turn me into a Flyers fan. I was a Bruins fan up until I got to Cornell.
It's all your fault! It's all your fault! It's all your fault! It's all your fault!
It's not Lynah, but still pretty good.
Former Calgary Flames great Joe Nieuwendyk, who won a Stanley Cup there in 1989, had his No. 25 raised to the rafters at the Scotiabank Saddledome on Friday night.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/08/video-flames-great-joe-nieuwendyk-has-no-25-raised-to-rafters-at-saddledome/
Maybe we should declare March AITP wasted and start early on April. Like Vietnam, declare victory, get the hell out. You see seven new posts in three hours and think Moulson got a hat trick or Scrivens had another 60-save shutout. But nooo.
Quote from: billhowardMaybe we should declare March AITP wasted and start early on April. Like Vietnam, declare victory, get the hell out. You see seven new posts in three hours and think Moulson got a hat trick or Scrivens had another 60-save shutout. But nooo.
...and... this was supposed to
help the situation somehow?
The only school I really hate is Duke, and that is because of the institutional response to the Lax scandal - after unilaterally suspending the team's season, and then realizing that the lax boys had not been guilty of gang rape, just of hiring strippers, underage drinking etc... they petition the NCAA to get another year of eligibility for those poor boys that were wrongly accused. It makes me sick.
Quote from: nshapirojust of hiring strippers, underage drinking etc...
The horror! The horror! Before long they'll have progressed onto
marijuana, which we know leads straight to premarital sex.
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: nshapirojust of hiring strippers, underage drinking etc...
The horror! The horror! Before long they'll have progressed onto marijuana, which we know leads straight to premarital sex.
In the old days it would have led to "The Clover Club".
If you want to hate Duke TA at Duke for a year. My best friend from HS was in the Duke doctoral program and he had to deal with those little monsters. I've never heard him say anything mean about anybody except those kids, who he was ready to drop into a crevasse.
I had exactly the same reaction at Stanford. Perfect teeth, nice clothes, well-spoken, and not an inkling of an original thought or a spark of sincere curiosity -- or sincere anything -- among any of the little bastids.
Moulson scored his first goal with Minnesota tonight, but the Wild fell to St. Louis in a shootout.
Scrivens was faced with yet another barrage of shots, stopping 46 of 50 in a 4-2 loss to the Kings.
Quote from: TrotskyIf you want to hate Duke TA at Duke for a year. My best friend from HS was in the Duke doctoral program and he had to deal with those little monsters. I've never heard him say anything mean about anybody except those kids, who he was ready to drop into a crevasse.
I had exactly the same reaction at Stanford. Perfect teeth, nice clothes, well-spoken, and not an inkling of an original thought or a spark of sincere curiosity -- or sincere anything -- among any of the little bastids.
I have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others. Maybe Cornell is an exception because it has a much broader base (given that most of these other elite schools are at most Arts + Engineering), but I knew plenty of well-spoken, self-important, utterly oblivious douchebags with perfect teeth and hair during my time on the hill.
Re: Duke specifically, let's not forget that as horrible as the Duke lacrosse players obviously were ("Only someone as ugly as I am could love me", etc., etc.), that they were wrongly accused and the victims of a witch hunt by an all-too-credulous prosecutor looking to make a name for himself by taking down the big bad racist white boys. (In a way, he did make a name for himself: "mud".)
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyIf you want to hate Duke TA at Duke for a year. My best friend from HS was in the Duke doctoral program and he had to deal with those little monsters. I've never heard him say anything mean about anybody except those kids, who he was ready to drop into a crevasse.
I had exactly the same reaction at Stanford. Perfect teeth, nice clothes, well-spoken, and not an inkling of an original thought or a spark of sincere curiosity -- or sincere anything -- among any of the little bastids.
I have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others. Maybe Cornell is an exception because it has a much broader base (given that most of these other elite schools are at most Arts + Engineering), but I knew plenty of well-spoken, self-important, utterly oblivious douchebags with perfect teeth and hair during my time on the hill.
The difference is that such douchebags are sometimes harder to see when you're mixed in among them and trying to hook up with half of them.
Quote from: Kyle RoseI have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others
There are differences. Stanford specifically attracts the sort of Randian fucktard who ten seconds' exposure to actual humans renders moot. Their problem is they never meet useful people, which explains their conveyerbelt to biz school. 1 in 10 might amount to something if they got outside their bubble. These tots aren't stupid; they're just hot-house flowers.
DOOK has its own ridiculousness, but it's the regional stupidity of entitled children who have never had to reconcile that there are other people in the world who don't just despise their worldview, but have left it as a dead letter since adolescence (very similar in that regard to NYC Cornellians). Having dealt with lots of Dookies, it's actually easier for them to break their programming than it is the Ivy princess who has read one book.
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyIf you want to hate Duke TA at Duke for a year. My best friend from HS was in the Duke doctoral program and he had to deal with those little monsters. I've never heard him say anything mean about anybody except those kids, who he was ready to drop into a crevasse.
I had exactly the same reaction at Stanford. Perfect teeth, nice clothes, well-spoken, and not an inkling of an original thought or a spark of sincere curiosity -- or sincere anything -- among any of the little bastids.
I have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others. Maybe Cornell is an exception because it has a much broader base (given that most of these other elite schools are at most Arts + Engineering), but I knew plenty of well-spoken, self-important, utterly oblivious douchebags with perfect teeth and hair during my time on the hill.
The difference is that such douchebags are sometimes harder to see when you're mixed in among them and trying to hook up with half of them.
There's nothing wrong with fucking your way through the Five Towns. A few of them might actually be fun. Just don't marry them. Leave them for the You Be Mom set. You'll both be a lot happier.
oh good more sociology from your drunk uncle who is just brimmin' with opinions
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseI have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others
There are differences. Stanford specifically attracts the sort of Randian fucktard who ten seconds' exposure to actual humans renders moot. Their problem is they never meet useful people, which explains their conveyerbelt to biz school. 1 in 10 might amount to something if they got outside their bubble. These tots aren't stupid; they're just hot-house flowers.
DOOK has its own ridiculousness, but it's the regional stupidity of entitled children who have never had to reconcile that there are other people in the world who don't just despise their worldview, but have left it as a dead letter since adolescence (very similar in that regard to NYC Cornellians). Having dealt with lots of Dookies, it's actually easier for them to break their programming than it is the Ivy princess who has read one book.
Do you ever get tired of making sweeping generalizations?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseI have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others
There are differences. Stanford specifically attracts the sort of Randian fucktard who ten seconds' exposure to actual humans renders moot. Their problem is they never meet useful people, which explains their conveyerbelt to biz school. 1 in 10 might amount to something if they got outside their bubble. These tots aren't stupid; they're just hot-house flowers.
DOOK has its own ridiculousness, but it's the regional stupidity of entitled children who have never had to reconcile that there are other people in the world who don't just despise their worldview, but have left it as a dead letter since adolescence (very similar in that regard to NYC Cornellians). Having dealt with lots of Dookies, it's actually easier for them to break their programming than it is the Ivy princess who has read one book.
Wow, Trots. Who shit in your cornflakes?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseI have a hard time believing the culture at any of these schools is substantially different from any of the others
There are differences. Stanford specifically attracts the sort of Randian fucktard who ten seconds' exposure to actual humans renders moot. Their problem is they never meet useful people, which explains their conveyerbelt to biz school. 1 in 10 might amount to something if they got outside their bubble. These tots aren't stupid; they're just hot-house flowers.
DOOK has its own ridiculousness, but it's the regional stupidity of entitled children who have never had to reconcile that there are other people in the world who don't just despise their worldview, but have left it as a dead letter since adolescence (very similar in that regard to NYC Cornellians). Having dealt with lots of Dookies, it's actually easier for them to break their programming than it is the Ivy princess who has read one book.
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Quote from: ugarteoh good more sociology from your drunk uncle who is just brimmin' with opinions
Whether or not I agree with him (and it's rare when we get off onto tangents) at least Greg is entertaining.
Which is important since he's got twice as many posts as anyone else here.
Quote from: KeithKWhether or not I agree with him (and it's rare when we get off onto tangents) at least Greg is entertaining.
Which is important since he's got twice as many posts as anyone else here.
"That passed the time."
"It would have passed anyway."
"But not as quickly."
Cornflakes? He thought it was a jigsaw puzzle.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: KeithKWhether or not I agree with him (and it's rare when we get off onto tangents) at least Greg is entertaining.
Which is important since he's got twice as many posts as anyone else here.
"That passed the time."
"It would have passed anyway."
"But not as quickly."
Had to look that one up ::blush::
"Waiting for Godot" huh? You really are a man for all seasons.
Riley Nash has been getting some big minutes in Carolina's last few games and has replaced Alex Semin on the #1 PP unit with the Staal brothers. He's had a couple good scoring chances so far against Buffalo tonight.
Edmonton beats Carolina 2-1 this afternoon; 29 saves for Scriven, Nash was -1 with 13 mins TOI.
Ben Scrivens takes second star in Oilers 2-1 win over Hurricanes (29 saves).
Moulson gets his 19th tonight ...... Vs. his former Islander teammates.
Quote from: jeff '84Moulson gets his 19th tonight ...... Vs. his former Islander teammates.
And #20.
Moulson was serenaded by Islander fans during the game, nice to see that he was appreciated. He had some comments on his trade from the Islanders as well. Moulson comments (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/moulson-181453209.html)
Nash had 18:30 of ice time last night on 25 shifts - this is the most ice he's seen this year. Picked up an assist playing the right point on the power play. He's consistently getting shots on net every game since the Olympic break ended. His faceoff performance is sporadic at best game to game and only 44% for the season. The trade deadline has passed and he has another year on his contract so his extra ice time and PP time seemingly indicates that he's rising somewhat on the depth chart (versus testing him to see if he's worthy of an extension).
i can't access twitter on my work computer, but this tweet from TSNquizmaster:
"Since acquiring Srivens, Oilers have gone from NHL's worst team save percentage (.889 Games 1-49) to the NHL's best team save percentage (.930 games 50-70)"
Quote from: gomestari can't access twitter on my work computer, but this tweet from TSNquizmaster:
"Since acquiring Srivens, Oilers have gone from NHL's worst team save percentage (.889 Games 1-49) to the NHL's best team save percentage (.930 games 50-70)"
Acquiring a good goalie can be part of The System, right?
List of Cornellians who have been on NHL rosters this year. Did I leave out anyone/anywhere?
R. Nash, Car
Collins, Cmb
Greening, Ott
LeNeveu, NYR
Moulson, NYI, Buf, Min
Murray, Mon
Scrivens, LA, Edm
^^ I think that's it with O'Byrne off in the KHL this year, Sawada in Finland, B. Nash in the AHL, etc.
Scrivens listed as one of the players that Yahoo Puckdaddy says "10 NHL players you might not realize are having ridiculously good seasons"
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/the-10-nhl-players-you-might-not-realize-are-having-ridiculously-good-seasons-162644123.html
Riley Nash scored his 9th of the season in Carolina's 3-2 win over Winnipeg today.
Moulson with the gamewinning deflection tonight against Detroit.
Quote from: LaJollaRedMoulson with the gamewinning deflection tonight against Detroit.
Fabulous deflection. Maybe he can stop by Ithaca and teach that skill to the current team.
Scrivens returned the favor when, yet again, an angry Oilers fan tossed their jersey onto the ice after a blowout loss to Calgary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BD1JksflupE
Quote from: sah67Scrivens returned the favor when, yet again, an angry Oilers fan tossed their jersey onto the ice after a blowout loss to Calgary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BD1JksflupE
I was really impressed by Scrivens' interview and the comments made in support of Scrivens.
Thanks for posting that here.
If you think we are snake bit we're in good company. (http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/24/5544246/vincent-lecavalier-three-posts-one-shot)
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Quote from: martyIf you think we are snake bit we're in good company. (http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/24/5544246/vincent-lecavalier-three-posts-one-shot)
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It was hard enough watching it last night. I really didn;t need to see that again.
https://twitter.com/russbites/status/448521981848473601
Here is the story on Andy signing with the Everblades on CornellBigRed.com (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2014/3/25/MICE_0325143117.aspx)
Quote from: Larry72Here is the story on Andy signing with the Everblades on CornellBigRed.com (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2014/3/25/MICE_0325143117.aspx)
So did ndy sign a contract specifically with the Everblades or is this a developmental contract with one of their two NHL affiliates (Carolina and Tampa Bay)? Hockey has such an odd system of minor league affiliations (compared to baseball, which I am much mroe famiiar with).
Ferlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
A lot of guys do so they can get some pro games in this season. But more than a few guys don't sign until the summer.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
I think the summer signings probably have a lot to do with summer prospect camps and what players are told/believe about their place in the organization.
Do really feel that one of the non-seniors will jump ship? I personally feel like only Ryan is ready to make a move to the pros. The rest I do not feel that way.
Quote from: MattSDo really feel that one of the non-seniors will jump ship? I personally feel like only Ryan is ready to make a move to the pros. The rest I do not feel that way.
We've had people who weren't ready jump ship before, and if I were a very talented player who, while great, has improved a little less than hoped, I might think that jumping now would be better than waiting another year and seeing my stock drop or something.
But I agree with your point about readiness.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: MattSDo really feel that one of the non-seniors will jump ship? I personally feel like only Ryan is ready to make a move to the pros. The rest I do not feel that way.
We've had people who weren't ready jump ship before, and if I were a very talented player who, while great, has improved a little less than hoped, I might think that jumping now would be better than waiting another year and seeing my stock drop or something.
But I agree with your point about readiness.
I agree with you about some players leaving for their own reasons which might not have anything to do with readiness. I was just curious about who people thought was possibly ready to move to the pros.
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
Academics plays no roll in this decision making process? I don't know any player's academic status. But some of these players turning pro in March must be abandoning or, at least, delaying their degree. For players in that situation, I know they can come back & complete their studies at a later date. But, to abandon that for playing time in the ECHL seems crazy to me. Joe N. going directly to the NHL maybe.... But, Andy to the ECHL?
Ferlin and Ryan. I don't think either is ready, but they get press and there's always some degree of flight risk. And as people have said above, we've had players mistime their jumps before (Duffus, JMP, Hynes).
Quote from: rediceQuote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
Academics plays no roll in this decision making process? I don't know any player's academic status. But some of these players turning pro in March must be abandoning or, at least, delaying their degree. For players in that situation, I know they can come back & complete their studies at a later date. But, to abandon that for playing time in the ECHL seems crazy to me. Joe N. going directly to the NHL maybe.... But, Andy to the ECHL?
If I was going to make a move like Andy did. My thought process would be that Cornell is going to be around for years to come and I can get my degree then, but a possible pro career might be a now or never type of thing.
I'm just speculating on how one comes to the decision he did.
Quote from: rediceQuote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
Academics plays no roll in this decision making process? I don't know any player's academic status. But some of these players turning pro in March must be abandoning or, at least, delaying their degree. For players in that situation, I know they can come back & complete their studies at a later date. But, to abandon that for playing time in the ECHL seems crazy to me. Joe N. going directly to the NHL maybe.... But, Andy to the ECHL?
Cornell's spring break starts this coming Saturday (3/29), classes resume on Monday, 4/7. The Everblades' regular season ends on April 12. Andy (ECAC Hockey's Scholar-Athlete of the Year) is smart enough to figure out how to miss a couple of weeks of classes and still graduate.
Quote from: MattSDo really feel that one of the non-seniors will jump ship? I personally feel like only Ryan is ready to make a move to the pros. The rest I do not feel that way.
It's not about being ready. It's about what gives the player the best chance to have a career in the NHL (plus more money now).
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: MattSDo really feel that one of the non-seniors will jump ship? I personally feel like only Ryan is ready to make a move to the pros. The rest I do not feel that way.
It's not about being ready. It's about what gives the player the best chance to have a career in the NHL (plus more money now).
NHL teams always think that a kid is better off from a development standpoint being in the minor leagues and focusing 100% on hockey. Making your perspective employers happy gives at least a little leg up in making it.
(The money doesn't hurt either.)
Staying in school for a diploma or a class when someone is offering you pro-athlete money to leave is evidence of a brain injury.
Quote from: ACMQuote from: rediceQuote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
Academics plays no roll in this decision making process? I don't know any player's academic status. But some of these players turning pro in March must be abandoning or, at least, delaying their degree. For players in that situation, I know they can come back & complete their studies at a later date. But, to abandon that for playing time in the ECHL seems crazy to me. Joe N. going directly to the NHL maybe.... But, Andy to the ECHL?
Cornell's spring break starts this coming Saturday (3/29), classes resume on Monday, 4/7. The Everblades' regular season ends on April 12. Andy (ECAC Hockey's Scholar-Athlete of the Year) is smart enough to figure out how to miss a couple of weeks of classes and still graduate.
That's a good plan unless the Everblades go deep in the playoffs (which they often do). If they do, Andy won't see campus again until sometime in mid-to-late May. Now, that's a problem. But, it's his problem and he's been the model student-athelete. I'm betting he has a contingency plan(s) ;-)
Quote from: ugarteStaying in school for a diploma or a class when someone is offering you pro-athlete money to leave is evidence of a brain injury.
For a guy like Ryan Haggerty making $925k, sure. The ECHL salary cap is $12,000 per week, so Iles is maybe going to make a couple thousand dollars before the end of the season.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: scoop85Quote from: BearLoverFerlin Watch 2014: Can we assume that Brian plans to remain with the Big Red given that he has not (yet?) signed a pro contract?
Too soon for that assumption
I knew I was jumping the gun a bit, but it appears as though everyone who signed a contract did so immediately upon their collegiate season ending.
There seem to be two bumps -- one just as the season ends, and then one sometime in late July / easily August --- not sure what that's about, maybe when CBA salaries roll over.
Might be related to the BA. Or it might just reflect two groups of players. One set had their minds made up to sign and were eager to get started as soon as possible. The other set needs time to decide whether to go pro or not. Once you've missed the end of this hockey season there's no reason to sign until it's getting close to training camp.
I think the summer signings probably have a lot to do with summer prospect camps and what players are told/believe about their place in the organization.
IIRC, Riley Nash left pretty late in the summer after his Junior year.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: ugarteStaying in school for a diploma or a class when someone is offering you pro-athlete money to leave is evidence of a brain injury.
For a guy like Ryan Haggerty making $925k, sure. The ECHL salary cap is $12,000 per week, so Iles is maybe going to make a couple thousand dollars before the end of the season.
And he can take Incompletes and finish his degree over the summer. The ECHL is effectively an internship more relevant to the future he wants for himself than getting his final classes sewn up this Spring.
Andy Iles wins his first pro game, which sounds really great until you click through and see the score (http://floridaeverblades.com/everblades-power-past-icemen-overtime-6-5/).
Quote from: ugarteAndy Iles wins his first pro game, which sounds really great until you click through and see the score (http://floridaeverblades.com/everblades-power-past-icemen-overtime-6-5/).
But doesn't look quite so bad after watching the highlights and see how he was hung out to dry on at least 2 of the goals.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: ugarteStaying in school for a diploma or a class when someone is offering you pro-athlete money to leave is evidence of a brain injury.
For a guy like Ryan Haggerty making $925k, sure. The ECHL salary cap is $12,000 per week, so Iles is maybe going to make a couple thousand dollars before the end of the season.
And he can take Incompletes and finish his degree over the summer. The ECHL is effectively an internship more relevant to the future he wants for himself than getting his final classes sewn up this Spring.
Sure, I agree with you that it's effectively a valuable internship, but that's different from it being about "pro-athlete money".
Quote from: ugarteAndy Iles wins his first pro game, which sounds really great until you click through and see the score (http://floridaeverblades.com/everblades-power-past-icemen-overtime-6-5/).
He must have been in shock when his team scored 5 goals; that cuts reaction time.
Scrivens had another game-saving performance last night, stopping 48 of 51 Anaheim shots and surviving a bit of 3-on-3 in OT where Edmonton got the 4-3 win.
Colin Greening has been out of the Ottawa line-up with a "lower body thing (http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=27855)". However, that hasn't stopped him from showing why he won (http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=27805) the Lowe's Senior CLASS award. He must of minored in Geography ;-).
Moulson had the game-tying goal in Minnesota's 3-2 win over LA last night. Riley Nash had a huge amount of ice time last night (over 17 minutes), and was Carolina's first choice in the shootout, but failed to convert in a 2-1 loss to Ottawa.