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Title: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: billhoward on November 23, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
Princeton and Harvard tie for the Ivy football title as Dartmouth beats Princeton 28-24. Look at how the eight Ivy teams have done over the four years of the senior class, which is also when new coaches arrived at Cornell and Princeton. In the span of four years, Princeton went from last to first while Cornell remains in seventh and is on its second coach. Harvard continues to do well, Penn has slipped, and Dartmouth was 9 points shy of an unbeaten Ivy season (-3 vs Harvard, -6 vs. Penn).  

Big Winner: Princeton, last to first.
Winners: Dartmouth (moving up), Harvard (remains at the top)
Losers: Penn (unbeaten 3 years ago), Cornell (staying next to last is a moral victory only by ending with back-to-back Ivy wins), Columbia (sixth to eighth).
Modest Losers: Yale, Brown.

[b]
2013 Team Record | 2010    Change[/b]
1 Princeton  6-1 | 8  0-7  +7
1 Harvard    6-1 | 2  5-2  +1
3 Dartmouth  5-2 | 5  3-4  +2
4 Yale       3-4 | 2  5-2  -2
4 Penn       3-4 | 1  7-0  -3
4 Brown      3-4 | 2  5-2  -2
[b]7 Cornell    2-5 | 7  1-6  --[/b]
8 Columbia   0-7 | 6  2-5  -2
2013 position in standings, Ivy record; 2010 position, Ivy record, 4-year change in standings 2010-2013


Let's hope Cornell can find traction under David Archer. I know we hoped for that under Ken Austin the three years before Archers, and Jim Kowles the 6 years before that, and Pete Mangurian ... and etcetera. Princeton has shown it can be done. (The only other coaching changes the past 4 years were Pete Mangurian in at Columbia and Tony Reno in at Yale in 2012.) Since 2000, Cornell has only one winning season overall and three winning Ivy seasons.

As for Columbia, well, the Lions took up half the front sports page of The New York Times today with the almost annual story, "Well, they're pretty good students, and the facilities aren't bad." Columbia Football's Dogged Futility (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/sports/ncaafootball/columbia-footballs-dogged-futility.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: ugarte on November 23, 2013, 08:38:38 PM
If the "change" column refers to the standings, then Harvard is also 1st this year.
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: billhoward on November 23, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: ugarteIf the "change" column refers to the standings, then Harvard is also 1st this year.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: Josh '99 on November 24, 2013, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: billhowardLet's hope Cornell can find traction under David Archer. I know we hoped for that under Ken Austin the three years before Archers, and Jim Kowles the 6 years before that, and Pete Mangurian ... and etcetera. Princeton has shown it can be done.
We've talked about wanting "our Al Bagnoli" and coaching stability; we're far more likely to have that with Archer than we were with Austin.  Like you said, hopefully the program can find some traction (read: linemen) under him.
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: billhoward on November 26, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
Quote from: Josh '99
Quote from: billhowardLet's hope Cornell can find traction under David Archer. I know we hoped for that under Ken Austin the three years before Archers, and Jim Kowles the 6 years before that, and Pete Mangurian ... and etcetera. Princeton has shown it can be done.
We've talked about wanting "our Al Bagnoli" and coaching stability; we're far more likely to have that with Archer than we were with Austin.  Like you said, hopefully the program can find some traction (read: linemen) under him.
Most of the other Ivies have long-term coaches except us, Columbia (not surprisingly; Columbia may be the Russian Front of college football coaching), and Princeton which appears to have found its long-term coach so long as a bigger school doesn't poach. Agreed that with an alum as coach you have a better chance of him sticking around if he's successful (Mike Schafer).
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 26, 2014, 05:51:34 PM
Istvan Named Football's New Offensive Coordinator. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2014/2/26/FB_0226145647.aspx) Can he make us an Ivy winner?
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: Ken711 on February 26, 2014, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: Jim HylaIstvan Named Football's New Offensive Coordinator. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2014/2/26/FB_0226145647.aspx) Can he make us an Ivy winner?

Hopefully, he finally develop a balanced offense with a running game that's been missing for some time now.
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: KeithK on February 26, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: Ken711
Quote from: Jim HylaIstvan Named Football's New Offensive Coordinator. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2014/2/26/FB_0226145647.aspx) Can he make us an Ivy winner?

Hopefully, he finally develop a balanced offense with a running game that's been missing for some time now.
Can he run the ball?
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: billhoward on February 26, 2014, 11:12:42 PM
Roy Istvan replaces Jason Houghtaling who's making a round trip back to Wagner. Houghtaling the last 3 seasons:

- 2012 offensive coordinator, Wagner, 9-4, conference championships, beat Colgate first road of FCS tournament  
- 2013 offensive coordinator, Cornell, 3-7
- 2014 offensive coordinator and associate head coach, Wagner
Title: Re: Ivy football 2013 winners & losers
Post by: Ken711 on February 27, 2014, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: Ken711
Quote from: Jim HylaIstvan Named Football's New Offensive Coordinator. (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2014/2/26/FB_0226145647.aspx) Can he make us an Ivy winner?

Hopefully, he finally develop a balanced offense with a running game that's been missing for some time now.

With the right personnel and schemes I hope we can.