I did this a few years ago at the start of Ben Scrivens' senior year, when it looked like he had a good chance at breaking a number of Cornell career goaltending records. Scriven wound up with almost all of the career records, and now it appears that Andy Iles has a shot at a lot of them. Consider the following (stats compiled from TBRW (http://www.tbrw.info) and College Hockey Stats (http://collegehockeystats.net)):
Games Playd in Goal: The current record is 117, by Ben Scrivens
Iles is at 89
Games Started: 113 -- Ben Scrivens
Iles: 88
Consecutive Games Started: 104 -- Ben Scrivens
Iles: 72 (the last game Iles didn't start was the 2011 ECAC semifinal against Dartmouth)
Minutes Played: 6710:02 -- Ben Scrivens
Iles: 5376:39
Saves: 2872 -- Ben Scrivens
Iles: 2277 (he had 898 last year and 870 as a sophomore)
Wins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
Ties: 13 -- Ben Scrivens and David McKee
Iles: 12
And the one I really hope he doesn't get:
Losses: 39 -- John Detwiler (1957-60)
Iles: 32
does this include this weekend? or just going into the season?
What about shutouts?
Quote from: LaJollaRedWhat about shutouts?
Iles has 8, Scrivens had 19.
If he gets very hot, third could be in reach (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/pdf/rpt50_Goalies_Career_Shutouts.pdf).
Quote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Ok, all is forgiven if we get 35 more wins and he breaks Dryden's record.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Ok, all is forgiven if we get 35 more wins and he breaks Dryden's record.
Dryden is not the answer.
Quote from: rdez79does this include this weekend? or just going into the season?
Totals include the UNO games.
Quote from: BeeeejQuote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Yeah, I meant "not happening" in the sense of "highly HIGHLY unlikely", although if he and the Big Red do get to 37-0 I'll happily eat my words (and regurgitate them and eat them again).
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Ok, all is forgiven if we get 35 more wins and he breaks Dryden's record.
With the asterisk that Dryden got those wins in three years.
I thought if he had gotten a few shutouts last year, he would have had a shot at that total too. Sits at 8 and I don't think he had any last year.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Ok, all is forgiven if we get 35 more wins and he breaks Dryden's record.
Dryden is not the answer.
Especially if the question is "Who was Cornell's goalie on the 1970 undefeated national championship team?"
Quote from: ACMQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: BeeeejQuote from: Give My RegardsWins: 78 -- Ken Dryden (1966-69)
Iles: 44 (OK, this one's not happening, but a very good season could move him into second place, currently 65 by Ben Scrivens and David McKee)
I assume you meant that it was highly unlikely to happen, but in case you didn't, going by my math it's certainly possible. 27 regular season games remaining, and the potential for as many as 8 post-season wins if we win all or almost all of those 27.
Ok, all is forgiven if we get 35 more wins and he breaks Dryden's record.
Dryden is not the answer.
Especially if the question is "Who was Cornell's goalie on the 1970 undefeated national championship team?"
This is the perfect spot to say that I caught the UNO broadcast team talking about Cornell's two National Championships "won by a guy named Dryden." Over the weekend, they were very complimentary of our history and seemed like they were looking forward to visiting "the James Lynah Rink."
Quote from: rdez79I thought if he had gotten a few shutouts last year, he would have had a shot at that total too. Sits at 8 and I don't think he had any last year.
Two last year, and I think he lost another one or two in the final minute.
Quote from: ACMQuote from: SwampyDryden is not the answer.
Especially if the question is "Who was Cornell's goalie on the 1970 undefeated national championship team?"
Bob Rule!
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: ACMQuote from: SwampyDryden is not the answer.
Especially if the question is "Who was Cornell's goalie on the 1970 undefeated national championship team?"
Bob Rule!
I almost forgot - we had two undefeated teams in 1970 and Bob Rule played on both, but he was a much better lacrosse goalie. Interestingly, his hockey save percentage (in three games, total 37 minutes) was only slightly better than his lacrosse save percentage (.786 v .756). He holds the Cornell record for best save percentage (.792) for the 1971 season.
Thanks
climbing the lists
Quote from: George64Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: ACMQuote from: SwampyDryden is not the answer.
Especially if the question is "Who was Cornell's goalie on the 1970 undefeated national championship team?"
Bob Rule!
I almost forgot - we had two undefeated teams in 1970 and Bob Rule played on both, but he was a much better lacrosse goalie. Interestingly, his hockey save percentage (in three games, total 37 minutes) was only slightly better than his lacrosse save percentage (.786 v .756). He holds the Cornell record for best save percentage (.792) for the 1971 season.
"Bob Rule '71" is the answer to the trivia question, What Cornell goalie played on *two* national championship teams in two sports? He would also be the answer to what All-America goalie did not play in either title game - he wasn't about to beat out Brian Cropper in hockey and he got hurt in the playoffs and fortunately about the next best college lax goalie, Bob Buhmann, was Cornell's backup in 1971. IIRC, we beat Dom Starsia and Brown en route to the championship by 2 goals, vs. doubling Maryland 12-6 in the championship.
Consecutive starts streak ends at 80. Gillam with the start tonight.
Quote from: Chris '03Consecutive starts streak ends at 80. Gillam with the start tonight.
Wow.
Quote from: Chris '03Consecutive starts streak ends at 80. Gillam with the start tonight.
After Saturday I figured if Gilliam didn't get a start tonight, he probably wouldn't get one this year. Still a bit surprising, but it will be interesting to see how he performs.
Saturday's Colgate game gives Andy a rather odd Cornell career record -- most ties, with 14.
Quote from: Give My RegardsSaturday's Colgate game gives Andy a rather odd Cornell career record -- most ties, with 14.
You play enough games, even a great goalie can set the record for most ties, and losses. Isn't Mike Schafer the coach with the most losses?
Good point Brodeur has the most NHL wins and losses: Accept it before it destroys you (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-losses-leaders.html)
Quote from: RatushnyFanGood point Brodeur has the most NHL wins and losses: Accept it before it destroys you (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-losses-leaders.html)
Cy Young: most wins, most losses.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: RatushnyFanGood point Brodeur has the most NHL wins and losses: Accept it before it destroys you (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-losses-leaders.html)
Cy Young: most wins, most losses.
I didn't know he played hockey!
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: RatushnyFanGood point Brodeur has the most NHL wins and losses: Accept it before it destroys you (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-losses-leaders.html)
Cy Young: most wins, most losses.
I didn't know he played hockey!
They called it hockey when he played, with an onion on his belt, which was the style at the time.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: SwampyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: RatushnyFanGood point Brodeur has the most NHL wins and losses: Accept it before it destroys you (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-losses-leaders.html)
Cy Young: most wins, most losses.
I didn't know he played hockey!
They called it hockey when he played, with an onion on his belt, which was the style at the time.
In those days, pucks had pictures of bees on 'em. "Three bees for a hat trick" you'd say. Now where was I?
Tied McKee for games played at 102
Third straight season with 20+ GP (http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_Goalies_20_GP_Year.html).
Updating a bit:
Andy is now tied with Ben Scrivens for most games started by a Cornell goaltender, with 113. He got the career minutes-played record early in the 2/15 game against RPI and now has a career total of 6887:06. Andy also got the career saves record in the first period of last Friday's game at Quinnipiac and now has a career total of 2929.
He is also tied with John Detwiler for most career losses, with 39 (although Detwiler accomplished his mark in three seasons).
Quote from: Give My RegardsHe is also tied with John Detwiler for most career losses, with 39 (although Detwiler accomplished his mark in three seasons).
May he finish his career tied!
Quote from: Give My RegardsUpdating a bit:
Andy is now tied with Ben Scrivens for most games started by a Cornell goaltender, with 113. He got the career minutes-played record early in the 2/15 game against RPI and now has a career total of 6887:06. Andy also got the career saves record in the first period of last Friday's game at Quinnipiac and now has a career total of 2929.
He is also tied with John Detwiler for most career losses, with 39 (although Detwiler accomplished his mark in three seasons).
I'm confused by Andy's saves total. If I add up his stats from Cornell's site I get 2864, which must be the source used by the Ithaca Journal staffer:
Quote from: IJOn Friday, junior defenseman Joakim Ryan and Ferlin scored the goals in support of Iles, who stands nine saves shy of the school's all-time record of 2,873 set by 2010 graduate Ben Scrivens.
Quote from: ithacatI'm confused by Andy's saves total. If I add up his stats from Cornell's site I get 2864, which must be the source used by the Ithaca Journal staffer:
Quote from: IJOn Friday, junior defenseman Joakim Ryan and Ferlin scored the goals in support of Iles, who stands nine saves shy of the school's all-time record of 2,873 set by 2010 graduate Ben Scrivens.
Your numbers agree with collegehockeystats (http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1314/teamstats/corm).
Quote from: ithacatI'm confused by Andy's saves total. If I add up his stats from Cornell's site I get 2864, which must be the source used by the Ithaca Journal staffer:
Yeah, I managed to jump the gun a bit -- I forgot that the numbers at the beginning of this thread are from two games into the season. 2864 is the correct number for saves, and Andy currently has 111 career starts, two short of Scrivens' record. Andy does have the minutes-played record, at 6767:16.
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: Give My RegardsHe is also tied with John Detwiler for most career losses, with 39 (although Detwiler accomplished his mark in three seasons).
May he finish his career tied!
...and healthy!
(The Hockey Gods are a devious lot. Be careful what you ask for.)
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: KeithKQuote from: Give My RegardsHe is also tied with John Detwiler for most career losses, with 39 (although Detwiler accomplished his mark in three seasons).
May he finish his career tied!
...and healthy!
(The Hockey Gods are a devious lot. Be careful what you ask for.)
Yeah,. I thought of that once I hit "Post" but figured I'd leave it.
Quote from: Roy 82Quote from: KeithKQuote from: Give My RegardsHe is also tied with John Detwiler for most career losses, with 39 (although Detwiler accomplished his mark in three seasons).
May he finish his career tied!
...and healthy!
(The Hockey Gods are a devious lot. Be careful what you ask for.)
Not devious. Just very, very literal.
Iles is CU's saves leader and nominated for the Richter Award. (http://www.letsplayhockey.com/todays-top-story/2173-candidates-announced-for-inaugural-mike-richter-award.html)
Quote from: Jim HylaIles is CU's saves leader and nominated for the Richter Award. (http://www.letsplayhockey.com/todays-top-story/2173-candidates-announced-for-inaugural-mike-richter-award.html)
I know I'm going to get pounded by Rangers fans here, but can I propose that we never call it that? Considering he was never a dominant enough collegiate goaltender, that's a sham of an award name.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jim HylaIles is CU's saves leader and nominated for the Richter Award. (http://www.letsplayhockey.com/todays-top-story/2173-candidates-announced-for-inaugural-mike-richter-award.html)
I know I'm going to get pounded by Rangers fans here, but can I propose that we never call it that? Considering he was never a dominant enough collegiate goaltender, that's a sham of an award name.
#1 Richter does has college cred, though.
#2 Fuck the Rangers.
#3 Actually, I don't mind the Rangers at all and root for them when the Isles are eliminated, which is early and often. I fail at fan hated (I don't even mind Harvard, except tonight).
Quote from: Trotsky#1 Richter does has college cred, though.
Huh? I quote this article. (http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/andy_baggot/goalie-award-named-for-mike-richter/article_13d833c4-7d80-58c5-917f-572bbfc031dc.html)
"Richter's career statistics with the Badgers — 33-25-1, 3.71 goals against average, 89.1 save ratio — don't leap off the page compared to other high-profile contemporaries at UW such as Marc Behrend (two NCAA titles), Curtis Joseph (91.9 career save percentage) or Brian Elliott (16 shutouts)."
He played 2 seasons, and was not even near the top goaltenders at his school. How does he come CLOSE to being in the same breath of deserving the naming honor of the award for the best collegiate goaltender in the nation??
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Trotsky#1 Richter does has college cred, though.
Huh? I quote this article. (http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/andy_baggot/goalie-award-named-for-mike-richter/article_13d833c4-7d80-58c5-917f-572bbfc031dc.html)
"Richter's career statistics with the Badgers — 33-25-1, 3.71 goals against average, 89.1 save ratio — don't leap off the page compared to other high-profile contemporaries at UW such as Marc Behrend (two NCAA titles), Curtis Joseph (91.9 career save percentage) or Brian Elliott (16 shutouts)."
He played 2 seasons, and was not even near the top goaltenders at his school. How does he come CLOSE to being in the same breath of deserving the naming honor of the award for the best collegiate goaltender in the nation??
I meant it in a backdoor way (don't get excited) that he worked out with the team and was goalie coach during the lockout unless I am completely hallucinating which is, sadly, possible.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: Jim HylaIles is CU's saves leader and nominated for the Richter Award. (http://www.letsplayhockey.com/todays-top-story/2173-candidates-announced-for-inaugural-mike-richter-award.html)
I know I'm going to get pounded by Rangers fans here, but can I propose that we never call it that? Considering he was never a dominant enough collegiate goaltender, that's a sham of an award name.
I'm a Rangers fan and I can't argue with you. It'd be better as the Ryan Miller Award, assuming Dryden is off the table.
It would make more sense as the Leneveu award or the Terreri award if we need a Richter era name if we're talking strictly college performance, but it actually has other components-scholastic, community, etc.
Another fun Iles statistic, derived from looking at the ECAC record book (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/history/League-records.pdf). He ties for 4th all-time with 78 conference games by a goalie (12 as a frosh and 22 in each of the next three seasons).
That was Andy's 9th shutout (http://www.tbrw.info/?/games/cornell_Shutouts.html), and his first in an elimination game.
It was only the second 1-0 shutout by a Cornell goaltender in an elimination game. The first was Dryden's 1967 NCAA SF masterpiece against North Dakota. Corrie d'Alessio gets an honorable mention for his total goals series-clinching 0-0 shutout at Clarkson in the 1989 QF.
In Andy's two career shutouts of Clarkson Cornell has scored 1 goal in 137:32, so the combined GAA of all goaltenders in those games is 0.22
Now that's Cornell hockey.
Quote from: TrotskyCorrie d'Alessio gets an honorable mention for his total goals series-clinching 0-0 shutout at Clarkson in the 1989 QF.
Only because I believe the two-game-total-goals series to be the stupidest format ever, I have to point out that that wasn't what the ECAC quarterfinals were back then -- they were a best-of-two-with-a-dumbass-minigame-if-needed series, the second-stupidest format ever.
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: TrotskyCorrie d'Alessio gets an honorable mention for his total goals series-clinching 0-0 shutout at Clarkson in the 1989 QF.
Only because I believe the two-game-total-goals series to be the stupidest format ever, I have to point out that that wasn't what the ECAC quarterfinals were back then -- they were a best-of-two-with-a-dumbass-minigame-if-needed series, the second-stupidest format ever.
Shit, you're right. I had forgotten that.
My hatred of the mini-game isn't helped by us having lost the only one we ever played. We also lost all the total goals NCAA series we ever played (NMU and Denver). Stupid formats are stupid.
Quote from: TrotskyWe also lost all the total goals NCAA series we ever played (NMU and Denver).
And split games in both those series!
And were leading in total goals halfway through the second Denver game, with the winner slated to play Harvard in Providence.
Oh, what might have been.
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: TrotskyCorrie d'Alessio gets an honorable mention for his total goals series-clinching 0-0 shutout at Clarkson in the 1989 QF.
Only because I believe the two-game-total-goals series to be the stupidest format ever, I have to point out that that wasn't what the ECAC quarterfinals were back then -- they were a best-of-two-with-a-dumbass-minigame-if-needed series, the second-stupidest format ever.
But that was the most exciting 0-0 game I've seen. Even more than yesterday. We knew 0-0 would be enough, Clarkson needed a win. The only question was if, or when, they would pull their goalie in a tie game. Then celebrate when we got the tie. The only bad part was sitting in the old Walker Arena. Maybe Cheel doesn't have a great hockey feel, but Walker was just terrible.
What are the final results?
Quote from: rdez79What are the final results?
Here (http://www.tbrw.info/?/tbrw_Indexes/record_Index.html).
Some settling may occur, but these are derived from my records.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: rdez79What are the final results?
Here (http://www.tbrw.info/?/tbrw_Indexes/record_Index.html).
Some settling may occur, but these are derived from my records.
And 117 games started, also a Cornell record for goaltenders. The only game Andy appeared in but didn't start was his first game in a Cornell uniform, against New Hampshire on 10/29/2010, a 7-4 loss in which he played the last 13 minutes.
3000 saves would have been cool. Finished with 2988
Quote from: rdez793000 saves would have been cool. Finished with 2988
...damn UMass game...
Quote from: rdez793000 saves would have been cool. Finished with 2988
It's the system.
It is remarkable to me that we have had essentially just 3 goaltenders in the last 11 seasons (except for one year of Troy Davenport).
It's similar to the Dryden-Cropper-Elenbaas years (http://www.tbrw.info/?/players/cornell_Goalies_20_GP_Year.html).
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: rdez793000 saves would have been cool. Finished with 2988
...damn UMass game...
You're assuming we would've allowed UMass at least twelve shots on goal.
the UMass game or the consolation game. Take your pick!
Quote from: rdez79the UMass game or the consolation game. Take your pick!
I'll bet Gillam would have played the UMass game.
OTOH, if we hadn't lost the middle game to Dartmouth he wouldn't even have gotten close...
Where do you think the "Answer" plays next year? ECHL, AHL, or MBA grad school?
Iles' most important number is currently 3.78. Bankroll his startup.
"Iles recently concluded a storied career with his hometown Big Red by going 16-10-5 with a 2.17 goals-against average and .919 percentage — of which the latter two numbers tie career-bests. He was named the Ivy League Player of the Year, ECAC Hockey Student-Athlete of the Year, a Senior CLASS Award First Team All-American, an All-Ivy League First Team selection and an All-ECAC Hockey Second Team selection. Iles started 101 of the Big Red's last 102 games and had the had the third-longest consecutive start streak in NCAA Division I history (80). He won ECAC Hockey Goaltender of the Week honors three times, pushing his career total to nine. Iles also had nine career shutouts, with the final one coming in the deciding Game 3 of the ECAC Hockey Championship quarterfinal series against Clarkson, which the Big Red won in overtime, 1-0.
In the penultimate game of the regular season, Iles broke the program's all-time saves record held by Ben Scrivens. He is also in the program's top 10 for tie (first, 17), wins (fourth, 58), shutouts (tied for fifth, nine), goals-against average (sixth, 2.25) and save percentage (.918, eighth). At the team's postseason banquet, Iles won the Wendell & Francelia Earle Award, which is presented annually to the top student in each class. Iles also won Cornell's Bill Doran Sportsmanship Award for a second straight season and the Mark Weiss Memorial Award, which is awarded to a senior with a career-long dedication and passion for the sport of hockey. Shortly after Cornell's season ending, Iles signed a professional contract with the ECHL's Florida Everblades."
http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/information/general_releases/2013-14/releases/Five_Ivies_Named_to_Capital_One_At-Large_Academic_All-District_Squads
A real tribute to Cornell and ECAC hockey
But he's not the answer.
::crazy::