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Preseason USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
September 23, 2013
Team Points (First) Last Poll 2012-13 Record
1 U Massachusetts Lowell 484 (20) 3 28-11-2
2 Miami University 444 (9) 6 25-12-5
3 University of Wisconsin 364 (1) 13 22-13-7
4 Boston College 359 8 22-12-4
5 University of Minnesota 347 5 26-9-5
6 University of North Dakota 300 7 22-13-7
7 University of Notre Dame 285 9 25-13-3
8 Yale University 269 (4) 1 22-12-3
9 St. Cloud State University 230 4 25-16-1
10 University of Michigan 167 NR 18-19-3
11 Quinnipiac University 135 2 30- 8-5
12 Union College 124 10 22-13-5
13 University of New Hampshire 116 11 20-12-7
14 Minnesota State University 110 12 24-14-3
15 Providence College 103 NR 17-14-7
Others receiving votes: Rensselaer 80, University of Denver 74, Cornell University 32,
Western Michigan University 28, Niagara University 12, Merrimack College 8,
Boston University 4, Ferris State University 4, Michigan Tech University 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-mens/#ixzz2fo6AP5Vz
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
September 30, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Massachusetts-Lowell (19) 0- 0-0 844 NR
2 Miami (14) 0- 0-0 837 NR
3 Wisconsin ( 2) 0- 0-0 740 NR
4 Boston College 0- 0-0 728 NR
5 Minnesota ( 1) 0- 0-0 660 NR
6 Yale ( 8) 0- 0-0 644 NR
7 North Dakota 0- 0-0 636 NR
8 Notre Dame 0- 0-0 575 NR
9 St. Cloud State 0- 0-0 513 NR
10 Quinnipiac ( 1) 0- 0-0 419 NR
11 Michigan 0- 0-0 417 NR
11 Minnesota State 0- 0-0 417 NR
13 New Hampshire 0- 0-0 354 NR
14 Providence 0- 0-0 271 NR
15 Rensselaer 0- 0-0 266 NR
16 Union 0- 0-0 258 NR
17 Denver 0- 0-0 241 NR
18 Western Michigan 0- 0-0 117 NR
19 Boston University 0- 0-0 113 NR
20 Niagara 0- 0-0 94 NR
Others receiving votes: Cornell 80, Ferris State 67, Harvard 18, Minnesota-Duluth 18,
Nebraska-Omaha 16, Air Force 14, Michigan Tech 14, Canisius 12, Colorado College 11,
Ohio State 11, Alaska 10, Mercyhurst 10, Michigan State 6, Rochester Institute of Technology 5,
Bowling Green 4, Brown 4, Dartmouth 2, Merrimack 2, Robert Morris 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2gTLLmJFq
USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine
2013-14 Women's College Hockey Poll - Preseason
(First-place votes in parentheses)
Rank School 2012-13 Final Ranking 2012-13 Record (W-L-T) Weeks in Top 10
1. University of Minnesota, 179 (18) 1 41-0-0 1
2. Boston College, 160 (1) 3 27-7-3 1
3. Clarkson University, 106 7 28-10-0 1
4. Boston University, 102 2 28-6-3 1
5. University of North Dakota, 100 5 26-12-1 1
6. Cornell University, 96 4 27-6-1 1
7. University of Wisconsin, 94 10 23-10-2 1
8. Mercyhurst University, 70 6 29-7-1 1
9. Harvard University, 41 8 24-7-3 1
10. Northeastern University, 20 9 23-11-2 1
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
September 23, 2013
Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (14) 0- 0-0 149 NR
2 Boston College ( 1) 0- 0-0 133 NR
3 Clarkson 0- 0-0 99 NR
4 Cornell 0- 0-0 84 NR
5 Boston University 0- 0-0 83 NR
6 Wisconsin 0- 0-0 74 NR
7 Mercyhurst 0- 0-0 65 NR
8 North Dakota 0- 0-0 62 NR
9 Harvard 0- 0-0 38 NR
10 Northeastern 0- 0-0 21 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 8, Quinnipiac 4, Ohio State 3, Dartmouth 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2fl5MribG
Coaches' preseason poll
1. Yale (4) - 103
2. Rensselaer (2) - 102
3. Quinnipiac (2) - 93
Union (2) - 93
5. Cornell (1) - 89
6. Harvard - 67
7. Dartmouth (1) - 64
8. Brown - 46
9. Colgate - 44
10. St. Lawrence - 43
11. Princeton - 26
12. Clarkson - 22
ECAC Hockey Media Association's 2013-14 preseason poll
1. Rensselaer (18) - 367
2. Yale (5) - 224
3. Quinnipiac (6) - 292
4. Union (3) - 287
5. Cornell (1) - 238
Dartmouth - 238
7. St. Lawrence - 212
8. Brown - 188
9. Colgate - 125
10.Harvard - 108
11.Princeton - 102
12.Clarkson - 83
2013-14 Coaches' Preseason All-league Team
Jason Kasdorf, Rensselaer
Goaltender
Shayne Gostibehere. Union
Defense
Joakim Ryan, Cornell
Defense
Kenny Agostino, Yale
Forward
Greg Carey, St. Lawrence
Forward
Andrew Calof, Princeton
Forward
Women's ECAC 2013-14 Coaches' Preseason Poll -
1 Clarkson (7) 117
2 Cornell (5) 111
3 Harvard 99
4 Quinnipiac 94
5 St. Lawrence 78
6 Dartmouth 75
7 Princeton 56
8 Rensselaer 46
9 Colgate 43
10 Yale 37
11 Brown 26
12 Union 11
2013-14 Coaches' Preseason All-League Team
Erica Howe
Clarkson
Goaltender
Sarah Edney
Harvard
Defense
Erin Ambrose
Clarkson
Defense
Kelly Babstock
Quinnipiac
Forward
Jamie Lee Rattray
Clarkson
Forward
Jillian Saulnier
Cornell
Forward
I'm confused, Jim. Your poll is for men but the two you cite are for women.::doh::
Right. I didn't read carefully enough to see those were women's polls. Easy mistake to make with Minnesota and BC at 1 and 2. But then my thought was Clarkson? CLARKSON???::wtf::
Men's polls haven't been announced yet. My plan, like last year, is to post all polls weekly. I didn't think there would be enough contrversy about the women in the ECAC to poll it, and I didn't want to wait till the men's polls are released to start our own. Sorry about the confusion, I've added a note that these are just the women's polls so far.
OK. Voted.
Added USCHO Women's Poll. We're 4
USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's Preseason is posted. We're in the also category at 18, but Yale with 4 first place votes? I guess traditionalists who say they're still first till someone beats them?
Quote from: Jim HylaUSA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's Preseason is posted. We're in the also category at 18, but Yale with 4 first place votes? I guess traditionalists who say they're still first till someone beats them?
I guess it depends on how well they weather the goaltending transition. They lost a couple of their top scorers, but that's true of most teams most years if I'm not mistaken. BC (who I'm just going to assume will win the championship until they stop winning it every other year) lost two of their top three scorers and the goalie who played almost all their minutes. Quinnipiac lost two of their top three scorers and the goalie who played almost all their minutes. I don't know enough about the goalie recruit(s) they presumably have coming in to say whether that'll be a problem for them, but I think their system and depth are strong enough that they shouldn't have TOO much of a fall-off.
Quote from: Jim HylaUSA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's Preseason is posted. We're in the also category at 18, but Yale with 4 first place votes? I guess traditionalists who say they're still first till someone beats them?
Opinions vary (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Predictions.html).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaUSA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's Preseason is posted. We're in the also category at 18, but Yale with 4 first place votes? I guess traditionalists who say they're still first till someone beats them?
Opinions vary (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Predictions.html).
Well, you know what they say about opinions.
From media day today Ken Schott is reporting (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2013/sep/24/rpi-tops-ecach-media-preseason-poll-union-fourth-i/) the coaches poll has Yale at 1, media has RPI. We're 5 in both, with a first place vote in each. Cornell's Joakim Ryan was on the coaches' team. Once the ECAC posts the results, I'll post them.
Quote from: Jim Hylathe coaches poll has Yale at 1, media has RPI. We're 5 in both, with a first place vote in each. Cornell's Joakim Ryan was on the coaches' team. Once the ECAC posts the results, I'll post them.
According to the article:
Coaches Poll
1. Yale
2. RPI
3. Quinnipiac
3. Union
5. Cornell
6. Harvard
7. Dartmouth
8. Brown
9. Colgate
10. SLU
11. Princeton
12. Clarkson
Media Poll
1. RPI
2. Yale
3. Quinnipiac
4. Union
5. Cornell
5. Dartmouth
7. SLU
8. Brown
9. Colgate
10. Harvard
11. Princeton
12. Clarkson
It's all posted now.
USCHO Preseason Poll posted. We're 21, first in also category.
USA Men's Poll Week 1 10/7
Rank School Points(First) Last Week
1. UMass-Lowell 473 (13) 1
2. Miami 463 (16) 2
3. Wisconsin 388 3
4. Boston College 379 4
5. Minnesota 372 5
6. Yale 345 (5) 8
7. North Dakota 309 6
8. Notre Dame 289 7
9. St. Cloud State 227 9
10. Michigan 170 10
11. Minnesota State 139 14
12. New Hampshire 113 13
13. Quinnipiac 111 11
14. Providence 109 15
15. Union 70 12
Others receiving votes: Rensselar, 48; Denver, 33; Western Michigan, 16;
Cornell, 14; Colorado College, 5; Niagara, 4; Canisius, 1; Clarkson, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
October 07, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 2- 0-0 150 1
2 Boston College 1- 0-0 129 2
3 Clarkson 3- 0-0 123 3
4 Cornell 0- 0-0 88 4
4 Wisconsin 2- 0-0 88 6
6 North Dakota 2- 0-0 75 8
7 Boston University 0- 0-0 67 5
8 Harvard 0- 0-0 41 9
9 Minnesota-Duluth 2- 0-0 30 NR
10 Ohio State 1- 0-0 13 NR
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 8, Quinnipiac 8, Northeastern 4, Dartmouth 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2h4f4UDU2
USA Women's Poll
Week 1
Rank School (First) Last Week
1 Minnesota (19) 190 1
2 Boston College 166 2
3 Clarkson 146 3
4 North Dakota 116 5
5 Boston University 104 4
6 Wisconsin 94 7
7 Cornell 90 6
8 Harvard 54 9
9 Mercyhurst 44 8
10 Minnesota Duluth 17 NR
Others receiving votes: Northeastern, 15; St. Lawrence, 4; Providence, 3; Robert Morris, 2.
Nate Owen, of USCHO, does his preseason picks in the ECAC. (http://www.uscho.com/2013/10/08/amid-college-hockeys-sea-change-ecac-hockey-enjoys-calm-waters/)
He picks us at 5 and this quote:
QuoteWhy the Big Red will finish higher than predicted: Cornell puts last year behind it and gets a big year in net from Andy Iles and up front from Brian Ferlin.
Why the Big Red will finish lower than predicted: Iles and the rest of the upperclassman don't raise their game, and Cornell's large freshman class can't pick up the slack.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2013/10/08/cornell-aims-to-bounce-back-after-rare-sub-500-season/#ixzz2hDul0mhV
Not too obvious.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
October 14, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Miami (40) 2- 0-0 985 2
2 Wisconsin ( 5) 2- 0-0 929 3
3 Minnesota ( 2) 2- 0-0 880 5
4 Notre Dame 2- 0-0 796 8
5 Michigan 2- 0-0 701 11
6 North Dakota 1- 0-1 678 7
7 Boston College 1- 1-0 671 4
7 Yale ( 3) 0- 0-0 671 6
9 Massachusetts-Lowell 1- 1-0 625 1
10 Providence 2- 0-0 560 14
11 St. Cloud State 1- 0-1 516 9
12 Denver 2- 0-0 431 17
13 New Hampshire 1- 1-0 402 13
14 Quinnipiac 1- 1-0 316 10
15 Boston University 2- 0-0 308 19
16 Union 1- 0-1 283 16
17 Rensselaer 1- 1-0 203 15
18 Minnesota State 0- 2-0 150 11
19 Cornell 0- 0-0 68 NR
20 Minnesota-Duluth 1- 0-1 64 NR
Others receiving votes: St. Lawrence 47, Alaska-Anchorage 46,
Ferris State 21, Clarkson 20, Western Michigan 17, Colorado College 15,
Harvard 15, Northeastern 15, Lake Superior 12, Niagara 12, Colgate 8,
Brown 7, Nebraska-Omaha 6, Sacred Heart 5, Michigan Tech 4, Bowling Green 3,
Dartmouth 3, Ohio State 3, Air Force 1, Bentley 1, Canisius 1, Michigan State 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2hjihmPQ4
USA 10/14/13 Men's
Rank School Points First Last Week
1. Miami 503 (28) 2
2. Wisconsin 459 (3) 3
3. Minnesota 424 5
4. Notre Dame 366 8
5. Michigan 313 10
6. Boston College 302 4
Yale 302 (3) 6
8. North Dakota 284 7
9. UMass Lowell 250 1
10. Providence 217 14
11. St. Cloud State 165 9
12. Denver 127 NR
13. New Hampshire 117 12
14. Qunnipiac 85 13
15. Union 58 15
Others receiving votes: Boston University, 48; Rensselaer, 23;
Minnesota State, 10; Cornell, 9; Minnesota Duluth, 8;
Colorado College, 5; Brown, 3; St. Lawrence, 3.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
October 14, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 4- 0-0 150 1
2 Boston College 3- 0-0 131 2
3 Clarkson 5- 0-0 121 3
4 Wisconsin 2- 2-0 90 4
5 Cornell 0- 0-0 87 4
5 North Dakota 3- 0-1 87 6
7 Boston University 1- 0-1 40 7
7 Minnesota-Duluth 2- 1-1 40 9
9 Harvard 0- 0-0 37 8
10 Quinnipiac 3- 0-1 18 NR
Others receiving votes: Ohio State 15, Northeastern 8, Mercyhurst 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2hjgZP0sL
USA Women's Poll
Week 2 10/14/13
Rank School Points (First) Last Week
1. Minnesota 190 (19) 1
2. Boston College 166 2
3. Clarkson 155 3
4. North Dakota 116 6
5. Cornell 113 4
6. Wisconsin 105 5
7. Harvard 63 8
8. Boston University 41 7
9. Mercyhurst 15 10
10. Quinnipiac 13 NR
Others receiving votes: Ohio State, 9; Minnesota Duluth, 5; Northeastern 3.
USCHO Men's and Women's posted above, as well as USA Men's. The USA Women's may be last week's. I'll correct it if there is a new one tomorrow.
So the men moved to 19 in USCHO and stayed there in USA. Not bad for not playing.
I'll post them later, but the women are 3 in USCHO.
Men are 19th in USCHO, 20th in USA Today.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
October 21, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (31) 4- 0-0 972 3
2 Notre Dame (11) 4- 0-0 928 4
3 Miami ( 5) 3- 1-0 874 1
4 Michigan 3- 0-1 844 5
5 Boston College 2- 1-0 769 7
6 North Dakota 2- 1-1 720 6
7 Yale ( 3) 0- 0-0 676 7
8 Providence 3- 0-0 668 10
9 Quinnipiac 3- 1-0 536 14
10 St. Cloud State 1- 0-1 516 11
11 Wisconsin 2- 2-0 509 2
12 Rensselaer 3- 1-0 412 17
13 Boston University 3- 1-0 346 15
14 New Hampshire 1- 2-1 338 13
15 Lake Superior 4- 0-0 237 NR
16 Minnesota State 2- 2-0 212 18
17 Denver 2- 2-0 187 12
18 Massachusetts-Lowell 1- 3-0 186 9
19 Cornell 0- 0-0 113 19
20 Northeastern 4- 0-0 99 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 79, St. Lawrence 61, Alaska-Anchorage 50,
Clarkson 50, Union 27, Colorado College 16, Ferris State 16, Harvard 11, Air Force 10,
Alaska 10, Bowling Green 10, Western Michigan 8, Ohio State 5, Niagara 3, Canisius 1, Dartmouth 1.
Although the USCHO home page still lists Miami as #1. They haven't changed it, I guess.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2iOaMUqQW
USA Poll 10/21/13
School Points (First) Last Week
1. Minnesota 495 (25) 3
2. Notre Dame 439 (5) 4
3. Miami 421 (1) 1
4. Michigan 402 5
5. Boston College 370 T-6
6. Yale 311 (3) T-6
7. North Dakota 302 8
8. Providence 280 10
9. Quinnipiac 231 14
10. St. Cloud State 171 11
11. Wisconsin 166 2
12. Rensselaer 128 RV
13. New Hampshire 99 13
14. Boston University 85 RV
15. Lake Superior State 65 NR
RV means receiving votes.
Others receiving votes: Denver, 27; UMass-Lowell, 26; Minnesota State, 15;
Northeastern, 14; Cornell, 10; Minnesota Duluth, 6; Brown, 4;
Colorado College, 4; Air Force, 3; Clarkson, 3; Alaska, 2; Ferris State, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
October 21, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 6- 0-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 4- 2-0 119 4
3 Cornell 2- 0-0 116 5
4 Boston College 5- 1-0 112 2
5 Clarkson 5- 1-1 89 3
6 North Dakota 4- 1-1 70 5
7 Harvard 0- 0-0 43 9
8 Mercyhurst 3- 3-1 33 NR
9 Quinnipiac 5- 0-1 31 10
10 Ohio State 3- 1-1 26 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 18, Boston University 16, New Hampshire 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2iOd2SpQq
USA
Rank School Points (First) Last Week
1. Minnesota 190 (19) 1
2. Wisconsin 145 6
3. Boston College 140 2
4. Cornell 135 5
5. Clarkson 117 3
6. North Dakota 101 4
7. Harvard 73 7
8. Quinnipiac 40 10
9. Mercyhurst 32 9
10. Ohio State 31 RV
Others receiving votes: Minnesota Duluth, 22;
Boston University, 17; New Hampshire, 2.
Women 4 in USA poll.
Post it later, but in USCHO, men are 14, and no first place votes for Yale, women are 3.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
October 28, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (50) 5- 0-1 1000 1
2 Notre Dame 5- 1-0 890 2
3 Providence 4- 0-1 844 8
4 Michigan 4- 1-1 810 4
5 North Dakota 2- 1-1 777 6
6 Miami 3- 2-1 743 3
7 Quinnipiac 6- 1-0 671 9
8 Boston College 2- 2-1 670 5
9 St. Cloud State 3- 0-1 643 10
10 Rensselaer 4- 1-0 529 12
11 Yale 1- 1-0 457 7
12 Lake Superior 4- 0-0 383 15
13 Wisconsin 2- 2-0 380 11
14 Cornell 2- 0-0 285 19
15 Massachusetts-Lowell 3- 3-0 262 18
16 Minnesota State 2- 2-0 195 16
17 Clarkson 6- 1-1 184 NR
18 Boston University 3- 3-0 168 13
19 Northeastern 5- 1-0 154 20
20 Minnesota-Duluth 3- 2-1 108 NR
Others receiving votes: New Hampshire 106, Brown 54, Denver 47, Alaska-Anchorage 36,
St. Lawrence 32, Air Force 16, Ferris State 15, Harvard 13, Alaska 12, Maine 4, Bowling Green 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2j408QYOs
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota 510 (34) 1
2. Notre Dame 438 2
3. Providence 391 8
4. Michigan 388 4
5. Miami 355 3
6. North Dakota 335 7
7. Boston College 312 5
8. St. Cloud State 283 10
9. Quinnipiac 275 9
10. Rensselaer 166 12
11. Yale 160 6
12. Wisconsin 137 11
13. Lake Superior State81 15
14. UMass-Lowell 65 RV
15. Cornell 54 RV
Others receiving votes: Northeastern, 24; Boston University 23; Clarkson, 19;
New Hampshire, 18; Minnesota State, 12; Brown, 8; Denver, 7; Alaska, 4;
Minnesota Duluth, 4; Union, 2.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
October 28, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 8- 0-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 6- 2-0 130 2
3 Cornell 4- 0-0 125 3
4 North Dakota 6- 1-1 95 6
5 Clarkson 6- 2-1 83 5
6 Boston College 5- 2-0 72 4
7 Harvard 2- 0-0 71 7
8 Mercyhurst 5- 3-1 34 8
9 Quinnipiac 6- 1-1 28 9
10 Ohio State 3- 1-1 21 10
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 7, Boston University 5,
New Hampshire 2, Robert Morris 1, Syracuse 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2j41pZzTy
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota 190 (19)1
2. Wisconsin 154 2
3. Cornell 148 4
4. North Dakota 125 6
5. Clarkson 111 5
6. Boston College 100 3
7. Harvard 80 7
8. Mercyhurst 49 9
9. Minnesota Duluth 25 RV
10. Quinnipiac 24 8
Others receiving votes: Ohio State, 23; Boston University, 8;
New Hampshire, 3; Syracuse, 3; Robert Morris, 2.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 04, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (50) 5- 0-1 1000 1
2 Michigan 6- 1-1 900 4
3 St. Cloud State 5- 0-1 824 9
4 Notre Dame 6- 2-0 804 2
5 Quinnipiac 8- 1-0 791 7
6 Providence 5- 1-1 784 3
7 Miami 5- 2-1 777 6
8 Boston College 4- 2-1 695 8
9 Yale 2- 1-1 513 11
10 Rensselaer 5- 2-1 486 10
11 North Dakota 2- 3-1 478 5
12 Massachusetts-Lowell 5- 3-0 452 15
13 Wisconsin 3- 2-1 434 13
14 Lake Superior 4- 1-1 329 12
15 Cornell 3- 1-0 292 14
16 Clarkson 7- 2-1 252 17
17 Boston University 4- 4-0 156 18
18 Minnesota State 3- 3-0 144 16
19 Ferris State 5- 2-0 107 NR
20 Minnesota-Duluth 4- 3-1 79 20
Others receiving votes: Northeastern 54, St. Lawrence 34, Union 30,
Harvard 22, New Hampshire 13, Bowling Green 11, Air Force 10,
Alaska 10, Brown 8, Western Michigan 7, Nebraska-Omaha 4.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2jimFmYlI
USA
Rank School Votes (First) Last Week
1. Minnesota 510 (34) 1
2. Michigan 447 4
3. Notre Dame 380 2
4. St. Cloud State 379 8
5. Providence 370 3
6. Quinnipiac 364 9
7. Miami 356 5
8. Boston College 315 7
9. Yale 193 11
10. North Dakota 154 6
11. UMass-Lowell 153 14
12. Wisconsin 137 12
13. Rensselaer 128 10
14. Cornell 56 15
15. Clarkson 40 RV
Others receiving votes: Lake Superior State University, 39;
Boston University, 22; Ferris State University, 11;
University of Minnesota Duluth, 9; Union College, 8; Minnesota State University, 6;
St. Lawrence University, 2; University of New Hampshire, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
November 04, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 10- 0-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 8- 2-0 134 2
3 Cornell 5- 0-1 115 3
4 North Dakota 8- 1-1 107 4
5 Boston College 7- 2-0 81 6
6 Clarkson 7- 2-2 80 5
7 Quinnipiac 7- 1-2 55 9
8 Harvard 3- 1-0 43 7
9 Mercyhurst 5- 3-1 32 8
10 Boston University 6- 1-1 15 NR
Others receiving votes: Ohio State 7, Robert Morris 5, Syracuse 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2jioBeN8K
USA
Rank School (First) Last Week
1. Minnesota (19) 190 1
2. Wisconsin 168 2
3. Cornell 148 3
4. North Dakota 132 4
5. Boston College 106 6
6. Clarkson 94 5
7. Quinnipiac 71 10
8. Harvard 54 9
9. Mercyhurst 34 8
10. Boston University 28 RV
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris University, 10; Ohio State University, 4;
Providence College, 1; Syracuse University, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 11, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (38) 6- 1-1 984 1
2 Michigan ( 9) 6- 1-1 922 2
3 St. Cloud State ( 1) 6- 1-1 838 3
4 Notre Dame 7- 3-0 825 4
5 Providence 7- 1-1 811 6
6 Quinnipiac ( 2) 9- 1-1 788 5
7 Boston College 6- 2-1 719 8
8 Miami 6- 3-1 689 7
9 Yale 3- 1-2 575 9
10 Rensselaer 6- 2-2 535 10
11 Clarkson 9- 2-1 427 16
12 Wisconsin 3- 2-1 401 13
13 North Dakota 3- 4-1 333 11
14 Ferris State 7- 2-0 320 19
15 Lake Superior 5- 2-1 298 14
16 Massachusetts-Lowell 5- 4-0 294 12
17 St. Lawrence 6- 2-2 166 NR
18 Northeastern 6- 3-0 154 NR
19 Cornell 3- 2-1 145 15
20 Minnesota-Duluth 4- 3-1 88 20
Others receiving votes: Minnesota State 47, Boston University 39,
Bowling Green 27, Union 24, Nebraska-Omaha 20, Air Force 11, Alaska 8,
Alaska-Anchorage 5, Brown 2, Harvard 2, Ohio State 2, New Hampshire 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2kO2BUxHb
USA
Rank School Votes(First)Last Week
1. Minnesota 502 (26)1
2. Michigan 447 (5) 2
3. Notre Dame 397 (1) 3
4. St. Cloud State 390 4
5. Quinnipiac 383 (1) 6
6. Providence 378 (1) 5
7. Boston College 313 8
8. Miami 302 7
9. Yale 220 9
10. Rensselaer 187 13
11. Clarkson 134 15
12. Wisconsin 98 12
13. UMass-Lowell 90 11
14. North Dakota 72 10
15. Ferris State 70 RV
Others receiving votes: Lake Superior State, 37; St. Lawrence, 22;
Northeastern, 11; Boston University, 10; Cornell, 6;
Bowling Green, 4; New Hampshire, 3; Union, 3; Nebraska-Omaha, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
November 11, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 12-0-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 8- 2-0 133 2
3 Cornell 7- 0-1 120 3
4 North Dakota 8- 1-1 104 4
5 Boston College 9- 2-0 91 5
6 Harvard 5- 1-0 67 8
7 Quinnipiac 8- 1-3 46 7
8 Boston University 9- 1-1 44 10
9 Clarkson 8- 3-2 41 6
10 Mercyhurst 6- 4-1 17 9
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 10, Syracuse 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2kO4D3Kkg
I'll post them later, but the men are 18, and the women are still 3, with 1 first place vote, in USCHO polls this week.
Quote from: Jim Hylathe women are still 3, with 1 first place vote, in USCHO polls this week.
Minnesota is
so last week (http://www.uscho.com/recaps/2013/11/17/three-goal-first-period-helps-north-dakota-end-minnesotas-record-winning-streak-at-62/).
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim Hylathe women are still 3, with 1 first place vote, in USCHO polls this week.
Minnesota is so last week (http://www.uscho.com/recaps/2013/11/17/three-goal-first-period-helps-north-dakota-end-minnesotas-record-winning-streak-at-62/).
With apologies to BearLover, it'd be nice if Yale can put up a good fight against the Gophers at Ingalls this weekend.
Not bad for the ECAC
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 18, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (47) 8- 1-1 996 1
2 St. Cloud State ( 1) 8- 1-1 914 3
3 Providence 9- 1-1 873 5
[u][b]4 Quinnipiac ( 2) 11- 1-1 818 6[/b][/u]
5 Michigan 7- 2-1 807 2
6 Notre Dame 8- 3-1 778 4
7 Boston College 7- 2-2 739 7
8 Miami 7- 4-1 644 8
[b][u]9 Yale 4- 1-2 586 9[/u][/b]
10 Ferris State 8- 2-1 476 14
[b][u]11 Clarkson 10- 3-1 463 11[/u][/b]
12 Wisconsin 4- 3-1 451 12
13 Massachusetts-Lowell 8- 4-0 430 16
[b][u]14 Rensselaer 6- 4-2 280 10[/u][/b]
15 North Dakota 4- 5-1 254 13
16 Lake Superior 6- 3-1 248 15
[b][u]17 Union 6- 3-2 211 NR[/u][/b]
[b][u]18 Cornell 4- 3-1 115 19[/u][/b]
19 Minnesota-Duluth 5- 4-1 108 20
20 New Hampshire 6- 5-1 83 NR
Others receiving votes: Ohio State 63, [b][u]St. Lawrence 53[/u][/b], Nebraska-Omaha 26,
Air Force 22, Northeastern 21, Denver 11, Alaska 10, Bowling Green 9,
Boston University 4, [b][u]Colgate 4[/u][/b], Alaska-Anchorage 2, Minnesota State 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2l2RsQzuD
USA Men
Rank School (First)Last Week
1. Minnesota 508 (32)1
2. St. Cloud State 444 4
3. Providence 424 (1) 6
[b][u]4. Quinnipiac 390 (1) 5[/u][/b]
5. Michigan 386 2
6. Notre Dame 370 3
7. Boston College 321 7
8. Miami 265 8
[b][u]9. Yale 224 9[/u][/b]
[b][u]10. Clarkson 153 11[/u][/b]
11. UMass Lowell 150 13
12. Wisconsin 146 12
13. Ferris State 136 15
14. North Dakota 48 14
[b][u]15. Union College 31 RV[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Rensselaer, 30[/u][/b]; Lake Superior State, 21;
New Hampshire, 15; [b][u]Cornell, 4[/u][/b]; Denver, 4; Air Force, 3;
Bowling Green, 3; Ohio State, 3; Minnesota Duluth, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
November 18, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (14) 13- 1-0 149 1
2 Wisconsin 10- 2-0 131 2
[b][u]3 Cornell ( 1) 8- 0-2 117 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 9- 2-1 111 4
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 10- 1-3 83 7[/u][/b]
[b][u]6 Harvard 6- 1-1 82 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 9- 3-1 47 5
[b][u]8 Clarkson 10- 3-2 44 9[/u][/b]
9 Boston University 10- 2-1 37 8
10 Mercyhurst 7- 4-2 15 10
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 5, Minnesota-Duluth 2, [b][u]Princeton 2.[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2l2UI2mtz
USA
1. Minnesota 189 (18) 1
2. Wisconsin 164 2
[u][b]3. Cornell 148 (1) 3[/b][/u]
4. North Dakota 139 4
[b][u]5. Harvard 108 6[/u][/b]
[b][u]6. Quinnipiac 95 9[/u][/b]
7. Boston College 61 5
[b][u]8. Clarkson 54 7[/u][/b]
9. Boston University 48 8
10. Mercyhurst 25 10
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris University, 7;
[b][u]Princeton, 4[/u][/b]; Minnesota Duluth, 2; [b][u]St. Lawrence, 1.[/u][/b]
Up to 14 (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=national) this week. 6 schools in the top 20:
05 Qpc
09 Yal
10 Clk
14 Cor
15 Uni
19 RPI
29 SLU
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 25, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (22) 9- 2-1 963 1
2 St. Cloud State (27) 9- 1-2 962 2
3 Michigan 8- 2-1 860 5
4 Providence 10- 2-1 855 3
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 12- 2-1 818 4[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State ( 1) 10- 2-1 701 10
7 Boston College 8- 3-2 699 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 10- 4-0 650 13
[b][u]9 Yale 5- 2-2 576 9
10 Clarkson 10- 3-1 515 11[/u][/b]
11 Notre Dame 8- 5-1 514 6
12 Wisconsin 4- 3-1 396 12
13 Miami 7- 6-1 386 8
[b][u]14 Cornell 6- 3-1 286 18
15 Union 6- 3-2 252 17[/u][/b]
16 Lake Superior 7- 4-1 210 16
17 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 6-0 172 NR
18 Minnesota-Duluth 6- 5-1 166 19
[b][u]18 Rensselaer 7- 5-2 166 14[/u][/b]
20 New Hampshire 7- 6-1 137 20
Others receiving votes: North Dakota 67, Ohio State 60, Northeastern 20,
Air Force 15, Boston University 14, Denver 13, Maine 9, Bowling Green 5,
[b][u]St. Lawrence 3[/u][/b], Alaska-Anchorage 2, Minnesota State 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2lhUfDJHa
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota 492 (21) 1
2. St. Cloud State 478 (12) 2
3. Michigan 420 5
4. Providence 412 (1) 3
[b][u]5. Quinnipiac 383 4[/u][/b]
6. Boston College 306 7
7. Ferris State 297 13
8. UMass Lowell 256 11
[b][u]9. Yale 224 9[/u][/b]
10. Notre Dame 188 6
[b][u]11. Clarkson 185 10[/u][/b]
12. Miami 109 8
13. Wisconsin 103 12
[b][u]14. Cornell 74 RV[/u][/b]
15. Nebraska-Omaha 40 NR
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Union, 30[/u][/b]; New Hampshire, 28;
Lake Superior State, 18; [b][u]Rensselaer, 15[/u][/b]; Minnesota Duluth, 10;
Ohio State, 7; North Dakota, 4; Air Force, 2; Denver, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
November 25, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 15- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 11- 2-1 133 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 8- 0-2 119 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 9- 3-2 102 4
[b][u]5 Harvard 7- 1-1 87 6
6 Clarkson 12- 3-2 70 8[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 11- 3-1 58 7
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 10- 2-4 57 5[/u][/b]
9 Boston University 11- 3-1 31 9
10 Robert Morris 12- 3-1 14 NR
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 2, Minnesota-Duluth 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2lhXQfQRq
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota (19) 190 1
2. Wisconsin 163 2
[b][u]3. Cornell 145 3[/u][/b]
4. North Dakota 125 4
[b][u]5. Harvard 119 5
6. Clarkson 86 8
7. Quinnipiac 67 6[/u][/b]
8. Boston College 65 7
9. Boston University 45 9
10. Robert Morris 16 RV
Others receiving votes: Minnesota Duluth, 7;
Mercyhurst, 5; [b][u]Princeton, 1; St. Lawrence, 1.[/u][/b]
Quote from: Jim Hyla
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 25, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (22) 9- 2-1 963 1
2 St. Cloud State (27) 9- 1-2 962 2
3 Michigan 8- 2-1 860 5
4 Providence 10- 2-1 855 3
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 12- 2-1 818 4[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State ( 1) 10- 2-1 701 10
7 Boston College 8- 3-2 699 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 10- 4-0 650 13
[b][u]9 Yale 5- 2-2 576 9
10 Clarkson 10- 3-1 515 11[/u][/b]
11 Notre Dame 8- 5-1 514 6
12 Wisconsin 4- 3-1 396 12
13 Miami 7- 6-1 386 8
[b][u]14 Cornell 6- 3-1 286 18
15 Union 6- 3-2 252 17[/u][/b]
16 Lake Superior 7- 4-1 210 16
17 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 6-0 172 NR
18 Minnesota-Duluth 6- 5-1 166 19
[b][u]18 Rensselaer 7- 5-2 166 14[/u][/b]
20 New Hampshire 7- 6-1 137 20
How did we get ahead of Union? Since Union whipped us 3-0 on 11/9, we've also lost to Clarkson, and then beat St. Lawrence, Brown, and Yale. St. Lawrence & Brown are hardly the Blackhawks and Red Wings, and we beat Yale by one goal. (And Yale continued the trend of other teams outshooting us.) On the other hand, all Union did was sweep RPI, the coaches' preseason favorite to win the ECAC, 4-3 and 4-1 in back-to-back games.
Where's the justice? ::screwy::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim Hyla
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 25, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (22) 9- 2-1 963 1
2 St. Cloud State (27) 9- 1-2 962 2
3 Michigan 8- 2-1 860 5
4 Providence 10- 2-1 855 3
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 12- 2-1 818 4[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State ( 1) 10- 2-1 701 10
7 Boston College 8- 3-2 699 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 10- 4-0 650 13
[b][u]9 Yale 5- 2-2 576 9
10 Clarkson 10- 3-1 515 11[/u][/b]
11 Notre Dame 8- 5-1 514 6
12 Wisconsin 4- 3-1 396 12
13 Miami 7- 6-1 386 8
[b][u]14 Cornell 6- 3-1 286 18
15 Union 6- 3-2 252 17[/u][/b]
16 Lake Superior 7- 4-1 210 16
17 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 6-0 172 NR
18 Minnesota-Duluth 6- 5-1 166 19
[b][u]18 Rensselaer 7- 5-2 166 14[/u][/b]
20 New Hampshire 7- 6-1 137 20
How did we get ahead of Union? Since Union whipped us 3-0 on 11/9, we've also lost to Clarkson, and then beat St. Lawrence, Brown, and Yale. St. Lawrence & Brown are hardly the Blackhawks and Red Wings, and we beat Yale by one goal. (And Yale continued the trend of other teams outshooting us.) On the other hand, all Union did was sweep RPI, the coaches' preseason favorite to win the ECAC, 4-3 and 4-1 in back-to-back games.
Where's the justice? ::screwy::
You expect logic and justice in the polls?
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim Hyla
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 25, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (22) 9- 2-1 963 1
2 St. Cloud State (27) 9- 1-2 962 2
3 Michigan 8- 2-1 860 5
4 Providence 10- 2-1 855 3
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 12- 2-1 818 4[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State ( 1) 10- 2-1 701 10
7 Boston College 8- 3-2 699 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 10- 4-0 650 13
[b][u]9 Yale 5- 2-2 576 9
10 Clarkson 10- 3-1 515 11[/u][/b]
11 Notre Dame 8- 5-1 514 6
12 Wisconsin 4- 3-1 396 12
13 Miami 7- 6-1 386 8
[b][u]14 Cornell 6- 3-1 286 18
15 Union 6- 3-2 252 17[/u][/b]
16 Lake Superior 7- 4-1 210 16
17 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 6-0 172 NR
18 Minnesota-Duluth 6- 5-1 166 19
[b][u]18 Rensselaer 7- 5-2 166 14[/u][/b]
20 New Hampshire 7- 6-1 137 20
How did we get ahead of Union? Since Union whipped us 3-0 on 11/9, we've also lost to Clarkson, and then beat St. Lawrence, Brown, and Yale. St. Lawrence & Brown are hardly the Blackhawks and Red Wings, and we beat Yale by one goal. (And Yale continued the trend of other teams outshooting us.) On the other hand, all Union did was sweep RPI, the coaches' preseason favorite to win the ECAC, 4-3 and 4-1 in back-to-back games.
Where's the justice? ::screwy::
You expect logic and justice in the polls?
Keep hope alive! ::crazy::
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: Jim Hyla
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
November 25, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (22) 9- 2-1 963 1
2 St. Cloud State (27) 9- 1-2 962 2
3 Michigan 8- 2-1 860 5
4 Providence 10- 2-1 855 3
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 12- 2-1 818 4[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State ( 1) 10- 2-1 701 10
7 Boston College 8- 3-2 699 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 10- 4-0 650 13
[b][u]9 Yale 5- 2-2 576 9
10 Clarkson 10- 3-1 515 11[/u][/b]
11 Notre Dame 8- 5-1 514 6
12 Wisconsin 4- 3-1 396 12
13 Miami 7- 6-1 386 8
[b][u]14 Cornell 6- 3-1 286 18
15 Union 6- 3-2 252 17[/u][/b]
16 Lake Superior 7- 4-1 210 16
17 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 6-0 172 NR
18 Minnesota-Duluth 6- 5-1 166 19
[b][u]18 Rensselaer 7- 5-2 166 14[/u][/b]
20 New Hampshire 7- 6-1 137 20
How did we get ahead of Union? Since Union whipped us 3-0 on 11/9, we've also lost to Clarkson, and then beat St. Lawrence, Brown, and Yale. St. Lawrence & Brown are hardly the Blackhawks and Red Wings, and we beat Yale by one goal. (And Yale continued the trend of other teams outshooting us.) On the other hand, all Union did was sweep RPI, the coaches' preseason favorite to win the ECAC, 4-3 and 4-1 in back-to-back games.
Where's the justice? ::screwy::
It isn't even like Union is a surprise team either, coming off of back-to-back-to-back tournament appearances.
I will post it later, but the men are 15 in both polls and the women's polls are not yet available.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
December 02, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (41) 11- 2-1 988 1
2 St. Cloud State ( 8) 9- 1-2 940 2
3 Michigan 9- 2-1 883 3
4 Providence 11- 2-2 843 4
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 13- 2-2 817 5[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State ( 1) 11- 2-2 754 6
7 Massachusetts-Lowell 10- 4-0 683 8
[b][u]8 Yale 6- 2-2 628 9[/u][/b]
9 Boston College 8- 4-2 583 7
[b][u]10 Clarkson 10- 3-1 552 10
11 Union 8- 3-2 430 15[/u][/b]
12 Miami 8- 6-2 421 13
13 Notre Dame 9- 6-1 404 11
14 Lake Superior 9- 4-1 353 16
[b][u]15 Cornell 7- 4-1 251 14[/u][/b]
16 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 6-0 228 17
17 Wisconsin 4- 5-1 179 12
18 New Hampshire 9- 7-1 134 20
19 Northeastern 9- 5-1 131 NR
20 Minnesota-Duluth 6- 5-1 122 18
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Rensselaer 102[/u][/b], Ohio State 29,
Boston University 13, Denver 13, Vermont 7, [b][u]St. Lawrence 5[/u][/b],
Maine 3, North Dakota 2, Air Force 1, Minnesota State 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2mPgc7Nfw
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, 508 (31) 1
2. St. Cloud State, 457 (2) 2
3. Michigan, 433 3
4. Providence, 402 4
[b][u]5. Quinnipiac, 388 5[/u][/b]
6. UMass Lowell, 348 8
7. Ferris State, 336 7
[b][u]8. Yale, 247 9[/u][/b]
9. Boston College, 226 6
[b][u]10. Clarkson, 208 11[/u][/b]
11. Notre Dame, 115 10
12. Miami, 104 12
13. Lake Superior State, 89 RV
[b][u]14. Union, 88 RV
15. Cornell, 43 14[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Nebraska-Omaha, 33; Wisconsin, 23; [b][u]Rensselaer, 12[/u][/b];
New Hampshire, 6; Northeastern, 6; Minnesota Duluth, 4; North Dakota, 3.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
December 02, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 17- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 12- 2-2 132 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 9- 1-2 115 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 9- 3-2 106 4
[b][u]5 Harvard 8- 1-1 90 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 12- 4-1 67 7
[b][u]6 Clarkson 12- 3-2 67 6
8 Quinnipiac 12- 2-5 35 8[/u][/b]
9 Boston University 11- 3-1 32 9
10 Robert Morris 14- 3-1 24 10
Others receiving votes: Minnesota-Duluth 6, Mercyhurst 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2mPiIpNLg
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (19) 190 1
2. Wisconsin, 166 2
[b][u]3. Cornell, 148 3
4. Harvard, 127 5[/u][/b]
5. North Dakota, 125 4
[b][u]6. Clarkson, 89 6[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 79 8
[b][u]8. Quinnipiac, 52 7[/u][/b]
9. Boston University, 38 9
10. Robert Morris, 27 10
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst, 2; Minnesota Duluth, 2.
Interesting. I'm surprised the women didn't drop.
Pleased, but surprised.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Interesting. I'm surprised the women didn't drop.
Pleased, but surprised.
A weekend split to another highly-ranked team is no reason for a significant drop. Had we swept, a good case could be made to move past Bucky.
USA Women's poll posted. They remain 3 there as well.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
December 09, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 St. Cloud State (33) 11- 1-2 978 2
2 Minnesota (14) 12- 2-2 958 1
3 Michigan 10- 2-1 873 3
4 Ferris State ( 3) 13- 2-2 842 6
5 Providence 11- 2-3 829 4
6 Boston College 10- 4-2 708 9
[b][u]7 Quinnipiac 13- 3-3 697 5
8 Clarkson 12- 3-1 647 10[/u][/b]
9 Massachusetts-Lowell 11- 5-0 595 7
[b][u]10 Union 10- 3-2 588 11
11 Yale 6- 3-3 470 8[/u][/b]
12 Miami 9- 7-2 382 12
13 Notre Dame 10- 7-1 361 13
[b][u]14 Cornell 7- 4-2 311 15[/u][/b]
15 Wisconsin 6- 5-1 272 17
16 Northeastern 9- 5-2 247 19
17 Lake Superior 9- 6-1 213 14
[b][u]18 Rensselaer 8- 5-3 147 NR[/u][/b]
19 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 7-1 136 16
20 Denver 8- 6-2 58 NR
Others receiving votes: New Hampshire 45, Minnesota State 29,
Vermont 25, Minnesota-Duluth 23, Ohio State 20, North Dakota 18,
Maine 11, Mercyhurst 8, [b][u]Colgate 6, St. Lawrence 3.[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2n1I0stNO
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, 489 (16)1
2. St. Cloud State,488 (16)2
3. Michigan, 425 3
4. Ferris State, 404 (2) 7
5. Providence, 407 4
6. Boston College, 319 9
[b][u]7. Clarkson, 280 10
8. Quinnipiac, 277 5
9. Union, 251 14[/u][/b]
10. UMass Lowell, 216 6
[b][u]11. Yale, 153 8[/u][/b]
12. Miami, 98 12
13. Notre Dame, 72 11
[b][u]14. Cornell, 70 15[/u][/b]
15. Wisconsin, 41 RV
Others receiving votes: Northeaster, 30; Lake Superior State, 26;
[b][u]Rensselaer, 12[/u][/b]; Nebraska-Omaha, 9; Minnesota State, 6;
North Dakota, 6; Maine, 3; Denver, 2; New Hampshire, 2.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
December 09, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 19- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 14- 2-2 134 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 10- 1-2 118 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 10- 4-2 98 4
[b][u]5 Harvard 9- 1-2 88 5
6 Clarkson 13- 4-2 73 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 12- 4-2 70 6
8 Boston University 14- 3-1 40 9
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 14- 2-5 35 8[/u][/b]
10 Robert Morris 16- 3-1 19 10
Others receiving votes:
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2n1K3sxKx
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, 190 (19) 1
2. Wisconsin, 166 2
[b][u]3. Cornell, 151 3
4. Harvard, 126 4[/u][/b]
5. North Dakota, 117 5
6. Boston College, 86 7
[b][u]7. Clarkson, 82 6[/u][/b]
8. Boston University, 52 9
[b][u]9. Quinnipiac, 48 8[/u][/b]
10. Robert Morris, 25 10
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst, 2.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
December 16, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (32) 12- 2-2 978 2
2 Ferris State (12) 14- 2-3 914 4
3 Michigan 10- 2-2 888 3
4 St. Cloud State ( 4) 11- 2-3 855 1
5 Providence ( 2) 11- 2-3 834 5
[b][u]6 Union 12- 3-3 717 10[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 10- 4-2 688 6
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 13- 3-3 685 7
9 Clarkson 12- 3-1 610 8[/u][/b]
10 Massachusetts-Lowell 11- 5-0 564 9
[u][b]11 Yale 6- 3-3 452 11[/b][/u]
12 Miami 9- 7-2 374 12
13 Notre Dame 10- 7-1 364 13
14 Wisconsin 8- 5-1 329 15
[b][u]15 Cornell 7- 4-2 315 14[/u][/b]
16 Northeastern 9- 5-2 270 16
17 Denver 9- 6-3 161 20
18 Lake Superior 10- 7-1 152 17
19 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 7-1 100 19
20 Minnesota State 11- 7-0 67 NR
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Rensselaer 54[/u][/b], Vermont 47, North Dakota 29,
Maine 22, New Hampshire 18, Ohio State 9, Mercyhurst 3, Bentley 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2ngRrRrUP
USA
Rank School Votes (First) Last Week
1. Minnesota, 503 (28) 1
2. Ferris State, 442 (2) 4
3. Michigan, 436 3
4. St. Cloud State, 416 (2) 2
5. Providence, 396 5
6. Boston College, 307 6
[b][u]7. Union, 306 9
8. Quinnipiac, 287 8
9. Clarkson, 246 7[/u][/b]
10. UMass Lowell, 211 10
[b][u]11. Yale, 152 11[/u][/b]
12. Miami, 87 12
[b][u]13. Cornell, 83 14[/u][/b]
14. Notre Dame, 77 13
15. Wisconsin, 60 15
Others receiving votes: Northeastern, 35; Lake Superior State, 14; Nebraska-Omaha, 8;
Denver, 5; New Hampshire, 4; [b][u]Rensselaer, 3[/u][/b]; Maine, 1; Minnesota State, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
December 16, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 19- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 14- 2-2 134 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 10- 1-2 118 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 12- 4-2 96 4
[b][u]5 Harvard 9- 1-2 94 5
6 Clarkson 14- 4-2 72 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 12- 4-2 61 7
8 Boston University 14- 3-1 43 8
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 14- 2-5 33 9[/u][/b]
10 Robert Morris 16- 3-1 23 10
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2ngTjeBHc
I love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
Quote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,151655,151669#msg-151669
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,151655,151669#msg-151669
Hence the
both rise and fall part.
I have no objection to moving in the polls when you don't play. It's moving in both directions that seems odd.
Quote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
One is the glass-half-full poll.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,151655,151669#msg-151669
Hence the both rise and fall part.
I have no objection to moving in the polls when you don't play. It's moving in both directions that seems odd.
Nonetheless, it has the same explanation: just different sets of morons trying to derive a total order from limited pairwise information.
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,151655,151669#msg-151669
Hence the both rise and fall part.
I have no objection to moving in the polls when you don't play. It's moving in both directions that seems odd.
Nonetheless, it has the same explanation: just different sets of morons trying to derive a total order from limited pairwise information.
You really think they pay attention to Pairwise, say nothing of KRACH? You do give them alot of credit.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,151655,151669#msg-151669
Hence the both rise and fall part.
I have no objection to moving in the polls when you don't play. It's moving in both directions that seems odd.
Nonetheless, it has the same explanation: just different sets of morons trying to derive a total order from limited pairwise information.
You really think they pay attention to Pairwise, say nothing of KRACH? You do give them alot of credit.
I hope this was a joke. "pairwise" with a lowercase 'p', meaning the results of games which are played between pairs of teams.
Quote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseQuote from: TrotskyI love that in a week where we didn't play we managed to both rise and fall in the polls, respectively.
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,151655,151669#msg-151669
Hence the both rise and fall part.
I have no objection to moving in the polls when you don't play. It's moving in both directions that seems odd.
Nonetheless, it has the same explanation: just different sets of morons trying to derive a total order from limited pairwise information.
You really think they pay attention to Pairwise, say nothing of KRACH? You do give them alot of credit.
I hope this was a joke. "pairwise" with a lowercase 'p', meaning the results of games which are played between pairs of teams.
It's different sets of individuals trying to make sense of the game results and their own preconceived notions.
Seriously though, I think many of the pollsters do look at the Pairwise. I think this is pretty clear late in the season when the polls start to converge toward the rankings. Early on though they give less weight to the rankings and more to their own preconceived notions. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing given the small sample size issues.
As far as I know this is the only poll out this week.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
December 30, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (37) 12- 2-2 987 1
2 Ferris State ( 9) 14- 2-3 934 2
3 St. Cloud State ( 1) 11- 2-3 876 4
4 Providence ( 3) 13- 2-3 869 5
[b][u]5 Union 12- 3-3 769 6[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 12- 4-2 742 7
7 Michigan 10- 4-2 694 3
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 13- 3-4 667 8[/u][/b]
9 Massachusetts-Lowell 13- 5-0 642 10
[b][u]10 Yale 7- 3-3 486 11
11 Clarkson 12- 5-1 451 9[/u][/b]
12 Miami 9- 7-2 400 12
13 Wisconsin 10- 5-1 392 14
14 Notre Dame 10- 7-1 368 13
[b][u]15 Cornell 8- 4-3 328 15[/u][/b]
16 Denver 10- 6-3 198 17
17 Northeastern 10- 6-2 181 16
18 Lake Superior 10- 7-1 126 18
19 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 7-1 105 19
20 Vermont 10- 6-1 99 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota State 57, Maine 47, North Dakota 30,
[b][u]Rensselaer 22[/u][/b], Ohio State 12, Bentley 8, New Hampshire 7, Western Michigan 3.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2p0Anl5a5
Quote from: Jim HylaAs far as I know this is the only poll out this week.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
December 30, 2013
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (37) 12- 2-2 987 1
2 Ferris State ( 9) 14- 2-3 934 2
3 St. Cloud State ( 1) 11- 2-3 876 4
4 Providence ( 3) 13- 2-3 869 5
[b][u]5 Union 12- 3-3 769 6[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 12- 4-2 742 7
7 Michigan 10- 4-2 694 3
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 13- 3-4 667 8[/u][/b]
9 Massachusetts-Lowell 13- 5-0 642 10
[b][u]10 Yale 7- 3-3 486 11
11 Clarkson 12- 5-1 451 9[/u][/b]
12 Miami 9- 7-2 400 12
13 Wisconsin 10- 5-1 392 14
14 Notre Dame 10- 7-1 368 13
[b][u]15 Cornell 8- 4-3 328 15[/u][/b]
16 Denver 10- 6-3 198 17
17 Northeastern 10- 6-2 181 16
18 Lake Superior 10- 7-1 126 18
19 Nebraska-Omaha 8- 7-1 105 19
20 Vermont 10- 6-1 99 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota State 57, Maine 47, North Dakota 30,
[b][u]Rensselaer 22[/u][/b], Ohio State 12, Bentley 8, New Hampshire 7, Western Michigan 3.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2p0Anl5a5
I find it curious that the poll published by The Official Newspaper You Find On The Floor Outside Every Hotel Room isn't done during the busiest travel period of the year. :-}
(Or maybe Christmas/New Year's is tied with Thanksgiving, but still.)
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 06, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (42) 13- 2-3 989 1
2 St. Cloud State ( 8) 11- 2-3 922 3
3 Ferris State 15- 3-3 876 2
[b][u]4 Union 12- 3-3 823 5[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 13- 4-2 804 6
6 Providence 13- 3-4 763 4
[b][u]7 Quinnipiac 15- 3-4 715 8[/u][/b]
8 Michigan 10- 4-2 667 7
9 Massachusetts-Lowell 14- 5-1 637 9
[b][u]10 Yale 7- 3-4 495 10
11 Clarkson 12- 6-2 467 11
12 Cornell 8- 4-3 387 15[/u][/b]
13 Miami 9- 7-2 383 12
14 Wisconsin 11- 6-1 361 13
15 Notre Dame 10- 8-1 300 14
16 Northeastern 11- 6-3 254 17
17 Denver 10- 6-4 190 16
18 Vermont 10- 6-3 148 20
19 Lake Superior 11- 8-1 103 18
20 New Hampshire 12-10-1 71 NR
Others receiving votes: Minnesota State 36, Maine 27, Ohio State 24,
North Dakota 22, [b][u]Colgate 13[/u][/b], Nebraska-Omaha 11, Bentley 4, Air Force 3,
[b]Rensselaer 3[/b], Bowling Green 1, Western Michigan 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2pf154EdX
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1. Minnesota, (34) 510 1
2. St. Cloud State, 454 4
3. Ferris State, 418 2
4. Boston College, 387 6
[b][u]5. Union, 361 7[/u][/b]
6. Providence, 349 5
[b][u]7. Quinnipiac, 314 8[/u][/b]
8. UMass Lowell, 287 10
9. Michigan, 273 3
[b][u]10. Yale, 173 11
11. Clarkson, 136 9
12. Cornell, 116 13[/u][/b]
13. Miami, 115 12
14. Wisconsin, 94 15
15. Notre Dame, 52 14
Others receiving votes: Northeastern, 16; Minnesota State, 9;
Vermont, 6; Denver, 5; New Hampshire, 3; [b][u]Colgate, 1[/u][/b]; Maine, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
January 06, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 19- 1-0 150 1
2 Wisconsin 16- 2-2 134 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 12- 1-2 117 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 12- 4-2 101 4
[b][u]5 Harvard 10- 1-2 87 5
6 Clarkson 14- 4-2 79 6[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 12- 4-2 64 7
8 Boston University 15- 3-1 41 8
9 Robert Morris 18- 3-1 28 10
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 14- 2-5 23 9[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2pf32BrXo
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (19) 190 1
2. Wisconsin 170 2
[b][u]3. Cornell, 147 3
4. Harvard, 132 4[/u][/b]
5. North Dakota, 116 5
[b][u]6. Clarkson, 84 7[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 79 6
8. Boston University, 55 8
[b][u]9. Quinnipiac, 39 9[/u][/b]
10. Robert Morris, 28 10
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst, 1; Minnesota Duluth, 1.
Up a position in both polls. Did the poll voters finally notice the Florida tournament results, or was it our whupping the Russian youths?
Quote from: billhowardUp a position in both polls. Did the poll voters finally notice the Florida tournament results, or was it our whupping the Russian youths?
Wisco and Notre Dame both lost; they had been immediately in front of us. Miami, the other team we jumped over, is really in a virtual tie with us.
I also have a feeling people are starting to look at the PWR now.
5 ECAC teams in the top 12 is outstanding! I can only imagine the gnashing of western teeth if we wind up with that many teams in the tourney. :)
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 13, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (48) 14- 2-3 997 1
2 Ferris State ( 1) 17- 3-3 935 3
3 St. Cloud State ( 1) 12- 3-3 865 2
4 Boston College 14- 4-3 853 5
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 17- 3-5 819 7
6 Union 13- 4-3 760 4[/u][/b]
7 Providence 13- 5-4 642 6
[b][u]8 Yale 8- 3-4 613 10[/u][/b]
9 Wisconsin 13- 6-1 559 14
10 Massachusetts-Lowell 14- 6-1 546 9
11 Northeastern 13- 6-3 496 16
[b][u]12 Cornell 8- 4-3 436 12[/u][/b]
13 Michigan 10- 6-2 428 8
[b][u]14 Clarkson 13- 7-2 352 11[/u][/b]
15 Notre Dame 12- 8-1 345 15
16 Denver 11- 7-4 208 17
17 New Hampshire 13-10-1 148 20
18 Vermont 11- 7-3 143 18
19 Maine 11- 7-2 89 NR
20 North Dakota 11- 7-2 81 NR
Others receiving votes: Miami 75, Ohio State 40, Western Michigan 30,
[b][u]Colgate 18[/u][/b], Bowling Green 6, Lake Superior 6, Mercyhurst 5, Bentley 3, Air Force 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2qK3MxRe9
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (33) 509 1
2. Ferris State,(1) 464 3
3. Boston College, 423 4
4. St. Cloud State, 420 2
[b][u]5. Quinnipiac, 377 7
6. Union, 342 5[/u][/b]
7. Providence, 259 6
[b][u]8. Yale, 240 10[/u][/b]
9. Wisconsin, 208 14
10. UMass Lowell, 197 8
11. Northeastern, 156 RV
[b][u]12. Cornell, 135 12[/u][/b]
13. Michigan, 132 9
[b][u]14. Clarkson, 86 11[/u][/b]
15. Notre Dame, 84 15
Others receiving votes: Denver, 19; New Hampshire, 13; Miami, 5;
Bowling Green, 3; North Dakota, 3; Vermont, 3; [b][u]Colgate, 1[/u][/b]; Minnesota Duluth, 1.
Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Rank RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 58 14-2-3 .8022 1 .6053* 1
2 Boston College 57 14-4-3 .7549 5 .5955* 2
3 Ferris State 56 17-3-3 .8087 2 .5868* 3
[b][u]4 Quinnipiac 55 17-3-5 .7773 3 .5851* 4[/u][/b]
5 St. Cloud State 54 12-3-3 .7423 4 .5819* 5
[b][u]6t Union 52 13-4-3 .7184 6 .5684 6[/u][/b]
6t Northeastern 52 13-6-3 .6712 11 .5644* 7
8t Providence 50 13-5-4 .6776 8 .5630* 8
8t Mass-Lowell 50 14-6-1 .6792 7 .5563* 9
10 Wisconsin 49 13-6-1 .6588 9 .5555* 10
[b][u]11 Cornell 48 8-4-3 .6370 15 .5478 11
12 Yale 46 8-3-4 .6575 10 .5437* 13[/u][/b]
13 New Hampshire 45 13-10-1 .5630 26 .5453 12
[b][u]14t Clarkson 44 13-7-2 .6422 13t .5433 14[/u][/b]
14t Michigan 44 10-6-2 .6163 16 .5430 15
16 Notre Dame 43 12-8-1 .5714 19t .5414 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2qK5c3kmB
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
January 13, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 20- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 17- 3-2 132 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 13- 1-3 118 3[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 13- 5-2 104 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 16- 4-2 86 6
6 Harvard 12- 2-2 75 5[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 14- 4-3 60 7
8 Robert Morris 18- 3-1 43 9
9 Boston University 16- 4-1 39 8
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 16- 3-5 14 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 4.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2qK512EdU
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (19) 190 1
2. Wisconsin, 164 2
[b][u]3. Cornell, 155 3[/u][/b]
4. North Dakota, 125 5
[b][u]5. Harvard, 107 4
6. Clarkson, 103 6[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 68 7
8. Robert Morris, 61 9
9. Boston University, 48 8
[b][u]10. Quinnipiac, 19 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst, 5
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Rank RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 12 20-1-1 .0000 1 .6677* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 11 13-1-3 .0000 2 .6317* 2[/u][/b]
3 Wisconsin 10 17-3-2 .0000 4 .6260* 3
[b][u]4 Harvard 9 12-2-2 .0000 5 .6024* 4
5 Clarkson 8 16-4-2 .0000 7 .5973* 5[/u][/b]
6 Robert Morris 7 18-3-1 .0000 3 .5962* 6
7 North Dakota 6 13-5-2 .0000 11 .5932* 7
8 Boston Univ 5 16-4-1 .0000 6 .5855* 8
9 Boston College 4 14-4-3 .0000 10 .5775 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 3 16-3-5 .0000 8 .5701* 10[/u][/b]
11 Mercyhurst 2 14-6-3 .0000 12 .5471 11
12 Minnesota-Duluth1 11-8-3 .0000 13 .5374 12
[b][u]13 Princeton 0 9-8-3 .0000 14 .5132 13[/u][/b]
*Team's RPI has been adjusted to remove negative effect from defeating weak opponent.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2qK6XI4Gt
Not exactly a "Polls" item, but.....
I just stumbled across a Minnesota Goofers Vs. Penn State hockey game on BTN, Ch. 610 on DirecTV.
Since I have not yet seen PSU play, this interesting to me. I plug my nose & tolerate the goofers...
1-0 Minnesota late in the first. I suspect this game is not live but have no interest in looking for the outcome.
Still 12th in the polls. We all were hoping for Cornell movement in the polls after the Lynah thaw. Would have been nice to see how a cancellation compares to a bye week for poll movement purposes.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 20, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (50) 17- 2-3 1000 1
2 Boston College 16- 4-3 941 4
[b][u]3 Union 15- 4-3 876 6
4 Quinnipiac 18- 4-5 799 5[/u][/b]
5 St. Cloud State 12- 4-4 767 3
6 Ferris State 17- 5-3 757 2
7 Providence 14- 5-5 731 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 15- 6-2 626 10
9 Wisconsin 13- 6-1 603 9
[b][u]10 Yale 9- 4-4 514 8[/u][/b]
11 Northeastern 14- 7-3 461 11
[b][u]12 Cornell 9- 4-4 439 12
13 Clarkson 15- 7-2 404 14[/u][/b]
14 Michigan 10- 6-2 371 13
15 Notre Dame 14- 8-1 367 15
16 Denver 12- 7-5 252 16
17 Vermont 12- 8-3 172 18
18 North Dakota 12- 7-3 147 20
19 Western Michigan 12- 8-4 103 NR
20 Maine 11- 8-3 47 19
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Colgate 35[/u][/b], Minnesota State 29, Air Force 20,
New Hampshire 17, Bowling Green 7, Nebraska-Omaha 4, Ohio State 4,
Bentley 3, Miami 2, Mercyhurst 1, Minnesota-Duluth 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2qyyV4VPH
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (34) 51? 1
2. Boston College, 470 3
[b][u]3. Union, 413 6
4. Quinnipiac, 378 5[/u][/b]
5. St. Cloud State, 372 4
6. Ferris State, 367 2
7. Providence, 317 7
8. UMass Lowell, 238 10
9. Wisconsin, 235 9
[b][u]10. Yale, 168 8[/u][/b]
11. Northeastern, 162 11
[b][u]12. Cornell, 131 12
13. Clarkson, 120 14[/u][/b]
14. Michigan, 86 13
15. Notre Dame, 67 15
Others receiving votes: Denver, 18; North Dakota, 10; Western Michigan, 7;
Minnesota State, 4; Minnesota Duluth, 3; [b][u]Colgate, 2[/u][/b]; Air Force, 1; Vermont, 1.
Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 58 17-2-3 .8286 1 .6121* 1
2 Boston College 57 16-4-3 .7727 2 .5966* 2
[b][u]3 Quinnipiac 56 18-4-5 .7598 3 .5762* 3
4t Union 54 15-4-3 .7478 4 .5742* 4[/u][/b]
4t Ferris State 54 17-5-3 .7561 5 .5707 5
6t Providence 52 14-5-5 .6907 8 .5659* 6
6t Northeastern 52 14-7-3 .6488 14 .5626* 7
8 St. Cloud State 51 12-4-4 .6852 6 .5616 8
9 Mass-Lowell 50 15-6-2 .6783 7 .5567* 9
10 Wisconsin 49 13-6-1 .6588 9 .5521 10
11 Notre Dame 48 14-8-1 .6038 15 .5511* 11
[b][u]12t Clarkson 46 15-7-2 .6667 10t .5487 12
12t Cornell 46 9-4-4 .6607 12t .5473 13
14 Yale 45 9-4-4 .6506 12t .5430* 14[/u][/b]
15t Michigan 43 10-6-2 .6163 17 .5413 15
15t Vermont 43 12-8-3 .5752 19t .5386 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2qyzUx0Jd
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
January 20, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 22- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 19- 3-2 135 2
3 North Dakota 15- 5-2 109 4
[b][u]4 Cornell 14- 2-3 105 3
5 Harvard 14- 2-2 89 6
6 Clarkson 17- 4-3 73 5[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 16- 4-3 61 7
8 Robert Morris 19- 3-2 57 8
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 16- 4-6 19 10[/u][/b]
10 Boston University 16- 6-1 17 9
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst 10.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2qz00NjGc
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (19) 190 1
2. Wisconsin, 171 2
[b][u]3. Cornell, 138 3[/u][/b]
4. North Dakota, 125 4
[b][u]5. Harvard, 124 5
6. Clarkson, 87 6[/u][/b]
7. Robert Morris, 78 8
8. Boston College, 73 7
9. Boston University, 25 9
[b][u]10. Quinnipiac, 24 10[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Mercyhurst, 10.
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 13 22-1-1 .0000 1 .6633* 1
2 Wisconsin 12 19-3-2 .0000 2t .6253* 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 11 14-2-3 .0000 5 .6205* 3
4 Harvard 10 14-2-2 .0000 2t .6159* 4[/u][/b]
5 Robert Morris 9 19-3-2 .0000 2t .5960* 5
6 North Dakota 8 15-5-2 .0000 10 .5956* 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 7 17-4-3 .0000 7 .5917* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 6 16-4-3 .0000 8 .5826 8
9 Boston Univ 5 16-6-1 .0000 11 .5640 9
10 Mercyhurst 4 14-6-3 .0000 12 .5463 11
[b][u]11 Quinnipiac 3 16-4-6 .0000 9 .5624* 10[/u][/b]
12 Minn-Duluth 2 11-8-5 .0000 14 .5332 12
13 Princeton 1 9-8-3 .0000 15 .5125 13
14 Syracuse 0 12-9-2 .0000 13 .5053 14
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2qz0Kcypt
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 27, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (44) 18- 2-4 994 1
2 Boston College ( 6) 18- 4-3 955 2
[b][u]3 Quinnipiac 18- 4-5 877 4
4 Union 16- 5-3 847 3[/u][/b]
5 St. Cloud State 13- 5-4 767 5
6 Ferris State 18- 6-3 737 6
7 Providence 15- 6-5 706 7
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 16- 7-2 660 8
9 Wisconsin 14- 7-1 536 9
10 Northeastern 15- 8-3 505 11
[b][u]11 Cornell 10- 4-5 495 12[/u][/b]
12 Michigan 12- 6-2 459 14
[b][u]13 Yale 10- 5-4 426 10[/u][/b]
14 Notre Dame 15- 9-1 361 15
[b][u]15 Clarkson 15- 9-2 275 13[/u][/b]
16 Denver 13- 8-5 224 16
17 North Dakota 13- 8-3 178 18
[b][u]18 Colgate 13- 9-3 147 NR[/u][/b]
19 Vermont 13- 9-3 138 17
20 Western Michigan 12- 8-4 104 19
Others receiving votes: Maine 43, Minnesota-Duluth 38, Bentley 7,
New Hampshire 7, Bowling Green 6, Air Force 3, Mercyhurst 2,
Minnesota State 1, Nebraska-Omaha 1, Ohio State 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2re8CR0Ve
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (32) 508 1
2. Boston College,(2) 475 2
[b][u]3. Quinnipiac, 433 4
4. Union, 390 3[/u][/b]
5. St. Cloud State, 364 5
6. Ferris State, 346 6
7. Providence, 303 7
8. UMass Lowell, 296 8
9. Wisconsin, 216 9
10. Northeastern, 190 11
[b][u]11. Cornell, 171 12[/u][/b]
12. Michigan, 135 14
[b][u]13. Yale, 125 10[/u][/b]
14. Notre Dame, 75 15
[b][u]15. Clarkson, 26 13[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Colgate, 16[/u][/b]; Denver, 13; North Dakota, 12;
Minnesota Duluth, 9; Bentley, 1; Minnesota State, 1; Vermont, 1; Western Michigan, 1.
Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 58 18-2-4 .8217 1 .6143* 1
2 Boston College 57 18-4-3 .7951 2 .5997* 2
[b][u]3 Quinnipiac 56 18-4-5 .7598 3 .5747* 3[/u][/b]
[b][u]4t Union 54 16-5-3 .7258 4 .5699* 4[/u][/b]
4t Ferris State 54 18-6-3 .7444 5 .5664 5
6 St. Cloud State 53 13-5-4 .6695 6 .5640 6
7t Providence 51 15-6-5 .6786 8 .5593* 7
7t Northeastern 51 15-8-3 .6450 12 .5580* 8
9 Mass-Lowell 50 16-7-2 .6667 7 .5552* 9
10t Michigan 48 12-6-2 .6598 11 .5505 10
[b][u]10t Cornell 48 10-4-5 .6613 10 .5495 11[/u][/b]
12 Notre Dame 47 15-9-1 .5862 14 .5471* 12
13 Wisconsin 46 14-7-1 .6316 9 .5451 13
14t Minn-Duluth 44 10-9-3 .5219 30 .5410 14
[b][u]14t Colgate 44 13-9-3 .5692 22t .5397 15
16 Clarkson 43 15-9-2 .6240 15t .5367 16[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2re9ZqOJX
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
January 27, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 24- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 21- 3-2 135 2
3 North Dakota 16- 5-3 106 3
[b][u]4 Clarkson 19- 4-3 96 6
5 Harvard 16- 2-2 93 5
6 Cornell 14- 3-4 78 4[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 18- 4-3 67 7
8 Robert Morris 20- 4-2 52 8
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 16- 4-6 29 9[/u][/b]
10 Mercyhurst 15- 7-3 18 NR
Others receiving votes: Boston University 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2reABdyui
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, 190 1
2. Wisconsin, 170 2
[b][u]3. Harvard, 123 5[/u][/b]
4. North Dakota, 122 4
[b][u]5. Clarkson, 115 6
6. Cornell, 108 3[/u][/b]
7. Boston College, 83 8
8. Robert Morris, 73 7
[b][u]9. Quinnipiac, 34 10[/u][/b]
10. Mercyhurst, 26 RV
Others receiving votes: Boston University, 1.
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 13 24-1-1 .0000 1 .6601* 1
2 Wisconsin 12 21-3-2 .0000 3 .6281* 2
[b][u]3 Harvard 11 16-2-2 .0000 2 .6160* 3
4 Cornell 10 14-3-4 .0000 8 .6065* 4
5 Clarkson 9 19-4-3 .0000 6 .6001* 5[/u][/b]
6 Robert Morris 8 20-4-2 .0000 4 .5929* 7
7 North Dakota 7 16-5-3 .0000 10 .5935* 6
8 Boston College 6 18-4-3 .0000 7 .5880* 8
9 Mercyhurst 5 15-7-3 .0000 11t .5479 10
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 4 16-4-6 .0000 9 .5625* 9[/u][/b]
11 Boston Univ 3 16-8-1 .0000 11t .5447 11
12 Minn-Duluth 2 11-10-5 .0000 15 .5214 12
13 Syracuse 1 14-9-2 .0000 13 .5139 13
[b][u]14 Princeton 0 9-8-3 .0000 14 .5126 14[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2reAX8fDV
Well, the polls will be interesting tomorrow. The machinations of all the results jumped us from tied for 10 to #6 in the PWR (and with Union and Ferris each having just one more comparison win than we have). I somehow doubt the pollsters will be quite as impressed by our two 1-goal wins (one in OT) over Yale and Brown. Yet, we are getting to the point in the season when the pollsters seem to keep an eye on the PWR , too... I'm guessing we'll come in around #8 in the polls and only move up to #6 if we can hang there for another week.
No losses in the new year (4-0-2) and ~9 games unbeaten. No January swoon this time around. Even if it's not true that we have a terrible January every year in the past, it has seemed that way.
Quote from: billhowardNo losses in the new year (4-0-2) and ~9 games unbeaten. No January swoon this time around. Even if it's not true that we have a terrible January every year in the past, it has seemed that way.
Didn't we address this last year? (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,180860,183070#msg-183070) No matter how much you keep repeating it, we don't have any kind of a tendency toward January swoons.
We're 9th in USCHO, back in the top ten for the first time since November 5, 2012 (who remembered we were actually 4th at any time last year?)
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
February 03, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (40) 19- 2-5 989 1
2 Boston College (10) 19- 4-3 959 2
[b][u]3 Quinnipiac 19- 4-5 897 3
4 Union 17- 6-3 798 4[/u][/b]
5 Ferris State 18- 6-3 758 6
6 St. Cloud State 14- 6-4 745 5
7 Massachusetts-Lowell 18- 7-2 738 8
8 Providence 15- 7-5 621 7
[b][u]9 Cornell 12- 4-5 602 11[/u][/b]
10 Michigan 13- 6-3 546 12
11 Northeastern 15- 8-3 528 10
12 Wisconsin 14- 8-2 460 9
[b][u]13 Yale 11- 6-4 342 13
14 Clarkson 16-10-2 291 15[/u][/b]
15 Denver 13- 8-5 278 16
16 North Dakota 13- 8-3 266 17
17 Minnesota-Duluth 12- 9-3 166 NR
18 Notre Dame 15-11-1 147 14
19 Vermont 13- 9-3 130 19
20 New Hampshire 16-13-1 120 NR
Others receiving votes: Maine 50, [b][u]Colgate 23[/u][/b], Ohio State 18, Mercyhurst 11,
Air Force 6, Nebraska-Omaha 4, Western Michigan 4, Minnesota State 3.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2sJ0aHb13
USA Men's Poll
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (27)503 1
2. Boston College, (7)481 2
[b][u]3. Quinnipiac, 444 3[/u][/b]
4. Ferris State, 360 6
5. St. Cloud State, 349 5
[b][u]6. Union, 344 4[/u][/b]
7. UMass Lowell, 335 8
[b][u]8. Cornell, 240 11[/u][/b]
9. Providence, 239 7
10. Michigan, 201 12
11. Northeastern, 188 10
12. Wisconsin, 151 9
[b][u]13. Yale, 72 13
14. Clarkson, 45 15[/u][/b]
15. Denver, 44 RV
Others receiving votes: Minnesota Duluth, 36; North Dakota, 25;
New Hampshire, 10; Notre Dame, 10; Mercyhurst, 1; Minnesota State, 1; Vermont, 1.
Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T W Win % W Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 58 19-2-5 .8105 1 .6089 1
2 Boston College 57 19-4-3 .8047 2 .6035* 2
[b][u]3 Quinnipiac 56 19-4-5 .7707 3 .5739* 3
4t Union 54 17-6-3 .7164 5 .5681* 4[/u][/b]
4t Ferris State 54 18-6-3 .7444 4 .5663* 5
[b][u]6 Cornell 53 12-4-5 .7000 7 .5640* 6[/u][/b]
7 Mass-Lowell 52 18-7-2 .6917 6 .5620* 7
8t Michigan 50 13-6-3 .6604 9 .5591 8
8t St. Cloud State 50 14-6-4 .6641 8 .5589* 9
10 Northeastern 49 15-8-3 .6450 11 .5560* 10
11t Providence 47 15-7-5 .6477 10 .5523* 11
11t Minn-Duluth 47 12-9-3 .5675 24t .5486 12
13 Wisconsin 46 14-8-2 .6058 12 .5432* 13
14 New Hampshire 45 16-13-1 .5374 27 .5374 14
15 North Dakota 44 13-8-3 .5983 16t .5366 15
16 Notre Dame 43 15-11-1 .5484 23 .5358* 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2sJ2DjuIb
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
February 03, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 26- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 21- 3-2 135 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 21- 4-3 108 4[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 16- 7-3 99 3
[b][u]5 Cornell 16- 3-4 84 6
5 Harvard 17- 2-3 84 5[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 19- 4-3 71 7
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 17- 4-7 39 9[/u][/b]
9 Robert Morris 21- 5-2 35 8
10 Mercyhurst 17- 7-3 17 10
Others receiving votes: Boston University 1, Minnesota-Duluth 1, Northeastern 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2sJ3MZEIL
USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
February 4, 2014
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 University of Minnesota 190 (19) 1 26-1-1
2 University of Wisconsin 171 2 21-3-2
[b][u]3 Clarkson University 134 5 21-4-3
4 Harvard University 116 3 17-2-3[/u][/b]
5 Univ of North Dakota 115 4 16-7-3
[b][u]6 Cornell University 111 6 16-3-4[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 89 7 19-4-3
8 Robert Morris Universit 48 8 21-5-2
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac University 43 9 17-4-7[/u][/b]
10 Mercyhurst University 21 10 17-7- 3
Others receiving votes: Boston University 4, University of Minnesota Duluth 2,
Northeastern University 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-womens/#ixzz2sOvWN2BD
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 15 26-1-1 .0000 1 .6735* 1
2 Wisconsin 14 21-3-2 .0000 2 .6256* 2
[b][u]3 Harvard 13 17-2-3 .0000 3 .6142* 3
4 Cornell 12 16-3-4 .0000 8 .6111* 4
5 Clarkson 11 21-4-3 .0000 4 .6015* 5[/u][/b]
6 Robert Morris 10 21-5-2 .0000 7 .5794* 8
7 Boston College 9 19-4-3 .0000 6 .5877* 6
8t North Dakota 7 16-7-3 .0000 12 .5799* 7
8t Mercyhurst 7 17-7-3 .0000 10t .5575 10
8t Boston Univ 7 18-8-1 .0000 10t .5476 11
[b][u]11 Quinnipiac 5 17-4-7 .0000 9 .5629* 9[/u][/b]
12 Minn-Duluth 4 13-10-5 .0000 14 .5290 12
13 Ohio State 3 11-12-5 .0000 19 .5058 14
14 Syracuse 2 14-11-2 .0000 13 .5057 15
[b][u]15 Princeton 1 11-9-3 .0000 15 .5161 13[/u][/b]
16 Northeastern 0 12-12-2 .0000 17 .5021 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2sJ3g6ky9
Adam talks about some of the differences in the PWR can be caused by how you interpret the new rules.Bracket ABCs: Early Edition (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2014/02/03_bracket_abcs_early_edition.php)
I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's. Here's ater the Beanpot:
USCHO:Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Weighted Weighted RPI RPI
Win % Win % Rank Rank
1 Minnesota 58 19-2-5 .8105 1 .6089 1
2 Boston College 57 20-4-3 .8120 2 .6049* 2
[u][b]3 Quinnipiac 56 19-4-5 .7707 3 .5734* 3
4t Union 54 17-6-3 .7164 5 .5677* 4[/b][/u]
4t Ferris State 54 18-6-3 .7444 4 .5662* 5
[b][u]6 Cornell 53 12-4-5 .7000 7 .5637* 6[/u][/b]
7 Mass-Lowell 52 18-7-2 .6917 6 .5621* 7
8t Michigan 50 13-6-3 .6604 9 .5592 8
8t Northeastern 50 16-8-3 .6581 10t .5589* 9
10 St. Cloud State 49 14-6-4 .6641 8 .5588 10
11t Providence 47 15-7-5 .6477 10t .5526* 11
11t Minn-Duluth 47 12-9-3 .5675 24t .5487 12
13 Wisconsin 46 14-8-2 .6058 12 .5433* 13
14 New Hampshire 45 16-13-1 .5374 27 .5373 14
15 North Dakota 44 13-8-3 .5983 16t .5368 15
16 Notre Dame 43 15-11-1 .5484 23 .5360* 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2sLxuHECD
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Minnesota 58 .6069 1 .5996 .0073 19-2-5 .8269 .8105
2 Boston College 57 .6029 2 .5955 .0074 20-4-3 .7963 .8120
[b][u]3 Quinnipiac 56 .5727 3 .5668 .0059 19-4-5 .7679 .7707
4 Union 54 .5669 4 .5605 .0065 17-6-3 .7115 .7164[/u][/b]
5 Ferris State 54 .5661 5 .5654 .0006 18-6-3 .7222 .7444
[b][u]6 Cornell 53 .5636 6 .5621 .0015 12-4-5 .6905 .7000[/u][/b]
7 St. Cloud State 52 .5606 7 .5563 .0043 14-6-4 .6667 .6641
8 Northeastern 51 .5602 8 .5542 .0060 16-8-3 .6481 .6581
9 Mass.-Lowell 50 .5598 9 .5551 .0047 18-7-2 .7037 .6917
10 Michigan 48 .5584 10 .5536 .0048 13-6-3 .6591 .6604
11 Providence 47 .5521 11 .5484 .0037 15-7-5 .6481 .6477
12 Minnesota-Dulut 47 .5488 12 .5441 .0047 12-9-3 .5625 .5675
13 Wisconsin 46 .5428 13 .5399 .0029 14-8-2 .6250 .6058
14 North Dakota 45 .5384 14 .5373 .0012 13-8-3 .6042 .5983
15 New Hampshire 44 .5366 16 .5319 .0047 16-13-1 .5500 .5374
16 Notre Dame 43 .5379 15 .5339 .0040 15-11-1 .5741 .5484
Quote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
You're correct, the #16 team is not going to make it.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
You're correct, the #16 team is not going to make it.
And of course 15, 14, etc. will not make it if dark horses win the major conference tourneys.
I read through Adam's "Bracket ABC's" article and am still trying to calibrate myself to thinking in terms of the new selection criteria. Now that it's apparent that RPI is clearly the most significant influencing factor in determining comparisons, I'll pose the usual question about using KRACH. It feels like this is the closest we've ever been to making that switch now that the PWR comparisons have been so simplified. Adam points out the very minor differences around the bubble between PWR and RPI rankings.
And since they want to give a road-win bonus, we can even use KASA (KRACH Adjusted for Site Advantage).
http://www.rpihockey.net/misc.rank1.shtml
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
You're correct, the #16 team is not going to make it.
And of course 15, 14, etc. will not make it if dark horses win the major conference tourneys.
Sure, but that is more speculative. As it stands, no matter who wins the Atlantic, they bump Notre Dame.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
You're correct, the #16 team is not going to make it.
And of course 15, 14, etc. will not make it if dark horses win the major conference tourneys.
Sure, but that is more speculative. As it stands, no matter who wins the Atlantic, they bump Notre Dame.
Of course. Just saying there's no real magic number until it's all done, so truncating will always give somewhat of a false sense (not to mention that listing the next 4 or so teams gives an idea of who is a threat to overtake teams on the bubble).
None of this matters, since the links list everybody.
Quote from: RichHI read through Adam's "Bracket ABC's" article and am still trying to calibrate myself to thinking in terms of the new selection criteria. Now that it's apparent that RPI is clearly the most significant influencing factor in determining comparisons, I'll pose the usual question about using KRACH. It feels like this is the closest we've ever been to making that switch now that the PWR comparisons have been so simplified. Adam points out the very minor differences around the bubble between PWR and RPI rankings.
And since they want to give a road-win bonus, we can even use KASA (KRACH Adjusted for Site Advantage).
http://www.rpihockey.net/misc.rank1.shtml
Who makes the determination? Natural cynicism would suggest the NC$$ isn't up to the task of comparing metrics on rational grounds, but it does seem like there's been somebody with at least a couple functioning brain cells nudging them slowly towards reason.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
You're correct, the #16 team is not going to make it.
And of course 15, 14, etc. will not make it if dark horses win the major conference tourneys.
Sure, but that is more speculative. As it stands, no matter who wins the Atlantic, they bump Notre Dame.
Of course. Just saying there's no real magic number until it's all done, so truncating will always give somewhat of a false sense (not to mention that listing the next 4 or so teams gives an idea of who is a threat to overtake teams on the bubble).
None of this matters, since the links list everybody.
Agreed, I'm just saying they usually draw a line under 16, denoting the "cut", when the true cut is - at best - 15. That's why I made clear that I wasn't expecting Jim to do anything different, because I'm being exactly the kind of person that I usually roll my eyes at.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim Hyla... I'll start posting both USCHO and CHN's.
Don't change anything but whenever I see the cut-off at 16 teams with an AQ falling way below the line, I always think "why isn't the cut-off at 15?"
You're correct, the #16 team is not going to make it.
And of course 15, 14, etc. will not make it if dark horses win the major conference tourneys.
Sure, but that is more speculative. As it stands, no matter who wins the Atlantic, they bump Notre Dame.
Of course. Just saying there's no real magic number until it's all done, so truncating will always give somewhat of a false sense (not to mention that listing the next 4 or so teams gives an idea of who is a threat to overtake teams on the bubble).
None of this matters, since the links list everybody.
Agreed, I'm just saying they usually draw a line under 16, denoting the "cut", when the true cut is - at best - 15. That's why I made clear that I wasn't expecting Jim to do anything different, because I'm being exactly the kind of person that I usually roll my eyes at.
That's good, since I wouldn't anyway.:-D
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
February 10, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Boston College (47) 21- 4-3 997 2
2 Minnesota ( 3) 19- 4-5 917 1
[b][u]3 Union 19- 6-3 889 4[/u][/b]
4 Ferris State 20- 6-3 817 5
[b][u]4 Quinnipiac 20- 5-5 817 3[/u][/b]
6 St. Cloud State 15- 6-5 746 6
7 Massachusetts-Lowell 19- 7-3 715 7
8 Wisconsin 16- 8-2 646 12
9 Providence 15- 7-5 618 8
10 Michigan 14- 7-3 509 10
[b][u]11 Cornell 12- 5-5 493 9[/u][/b]
12 Northeastern 16- 9-3 474 11
[b][u]13 Yale 12- 7-4 344 13
14 Clarkson 17-11-2 267 14[/u][/b]
15 Vermont 15- 9-3 262 19
16 Minnesota-Duluth 13- 9-4 254 17
17 North Dakota 14- 9-3 209 16
18 Denver 13- 9-6 201 15
[b][u]19 Colgate 14-11-3 105 NR[/u][/b]
20 Notre Dame 16-12-1 92 18
Others receiving votes: Maine 64, Western Michigan 25, Minnesota State 15,
Ohio State 14, Air Force 8, Nebraska-Omaha 1, New Hampshire 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2sxgeUo40
USA
Rank School (First) Last Week
1. Boston College,(33) 509 2
2. Minnesota, (1) 455 1
[b][u]3. Union, 407 6[/u][/b]
4. Ferris State, 402 4
[b][u]5. Quinnipiac, 375 3[/u][/b]
6. St. Cloud State, 353 5
7. UMass Lowell, 298 7
8. Wisconsin, 280 12
9. Providence College, 244 9
[b][u]10. Cornell, 187 8[/u][/b]
11. Michigan, 177 10
12. Northeastern, 158 11
[b][u]13. Yale, 79 13[/u][/b]
14. Vermont, 41 RV
[b][u]15. Clarkson, 34 14[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Minnesota Duluth, 33; Denver, 25; North Dakota, 9;
[b][u]Colgate, 5[/u][/b]; Maine, 3; Minnesota State, 3; Notre Dame, 2; Air Force, 1.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
February 10, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 28- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 23- 3-2 135 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 18- 3-4 102 5[/u][/b]
4 North Dakota 17- 7-4 100 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 21- 4-5 99 3
6 Harvard 18- 3-3 79 5[/u][/b]
7 Boston College 20- 5-3 64 7
8 Mercyhurst 19- 7-3 37 10
9 Robert Morris 21- 6-3 24 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 17- 5-8 20 8[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Boston University 8, Minnesota-Duluth 5, Northeastern 1, Syracuse 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2sxjkuGvP
I'll wait to do PWR till after Beanpot.
USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Weighted Weighted RPI RPI Rank
Win % Win % Rank
1 Boston College 58 22-4-3 .8239 1 .6070* 1
2 Minnesota 57 19-4-5 .7614 2 .5966 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 19-6-3 .7324 5 .5720* 3[/u][/b]
3t Ferris State 55 20-6-3 .7589 3 .5709* 4
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 54 20-5-5 .7448 4 .5673* 5[/u][/b]
6 Mass-Lowell 53 19-7-3 .7014 6 .5606* 6
7 Wisconsin 52 16-8-2 .6339 12 .5597* 7
8 St. Cloud State 51 15-6-5 .6642 8 .5576* 8
[u]9 Cornell 49 12-5-5 .6743 7 .5568* 9[/u]
10 Michigan 48 14-7-3 .6552 9 .5555 10
11t Providence 47 15-7-5 .6477 10 .5502* 11
11t Northeastern 47 16-10-3 .6088 15 .5457* 12
13 Vermont 46 15-9-3 .6119 14 .5451 13
14t Minn-Duluth 45 13-9-4 .5741 22 .5429 14
[b][u]14t Colgate 45 14-11-3 .5493 28 .5360 15[/u][/b]
16t Maine 42 13-10-3 .5708 23 .5358 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2t0yQ6xq2
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6053 1 .5990 .0063 22-4-3 .8103 .8239
2 Minnesota 57 .5946 2 .5881 .0065 19-4-5 .7679 .7614
3 Ferris State 56 .5713 3 .5706 .0007 20-6-3 .7414 .7589
[b][u]4 Union 54 .5710 4 .5661 .0049 19-6-3 .7321 .7324
5 Quinnipiac 54 .5661 5 .5598 .0063 20-5-5 .7500 .7448[/u][/b]
6 St. Cloud State 53 .5591 6 .5554 .0037 15-6-5 .6731 .6642
7 Mass.-Lowell 52 .5586 7 .5557 .0029 19-7-3 .7069 .7014
8 Wisconsin 51 .5584 8 .5523 .0061 16-8-2 .6538 .6339
[b][u]9 Cornell 49 .5569 9 .5554 .0015 12-5-5 .6591 .6743[/u][/b]
10 Michigan 48 .5546 10 .5505 .0041 14-7-3 .6458 .6552
11 Providence 47 .5499 11 .5454 .0045 15-7-5 .6481 .6477
12 Northeastern 47 .5465 12 .5404 .0061 16-10-3 .6034 .6088
13 Vermont 46 .5461 13 .5431 .0031 15-9-3 .6111 .6119
14 Minnesota-Duluth45 .5438 14 .5400 .0038 13-9-4 .5769 .5741
[b][u]15 Colgate 44 .5352 16 .5268 .0084 14-11-3 .5536 .5493[/u][/b]
16 Maine 43 .5359 15 .5300 .0059 13-10-3 .5577 .5708
Women after tonight.
Doing both PWR is helpful. Thank you.
Quote from: Jim Hyla
USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Weighted Weighted RPI RPI Rank
Win % Win % Rank
1 Boston College 58 22-4-3 .8239 1 .6070* 1
2 Minnesota 57 19-4-5 .7614 2 .5966 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 19-6-3 .7324 5 .5720* 3[/u][/b]
3t Ferris State 55 20-6-3 .7589 3 .5709* 4
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 54 20-5-5 .7448 4 .5673* 5[/u][/b]
6 Mass-Lowell 53 19-7-3 .7014 6 .5606* 6
7 Wisconsin 52 16-8-2 .6339 12 .5597* 7
8 St. Cloud State 51 15-6-5 .6642 8 .5576* 8
[u]9 Cornell 49 12-5-5 .6743 7 .5568* 9[/u]
10 Michigan 48 14-7-3 .6552 9 .5555 10
11t Providence 47 15-7-5 .6477 10 .5502* 11
11t Northeastern 47 16-10-3 .6088 15 .5457* 12
13 Vermont 46 15-9-3 .6119 14 .5451 13
14t Minn-Duluth 45 13-9-4 .5741 22 .5429 14
[b][u]14t Colgate 45 14-11-3 .5493 28 .5360 15[/u][/b]
16t Maine 42 13-10-3 .5708 23 .5358 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2t0yQ6xq2
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6053 1 .5990 .0063 22-4-3 .8103 .8239
2 Minnesota 57 .5946 2 .5881 .0065 19-4-5 .7679 .7614
3 Ferris State 56 .5713 3 .5706 .0007 20-6-3 .7414 .7589
[b][u]4 Union 54 .5710 4 .5661 .0049 19-6-3 .7321 .7324
5 Quinnipiac 54 .5661 5 .5598 .0063 20-5-5 .7500 .7448[/u][/b]
6 St. Cloud State 53 .5591 6 .5554 .0037 15-6-5 .6731 .6642
7 Mass.-Lowell 52 .5586 7 .5557 .0029 19-7-3 .7069 .7014
8 Wisconsin 51 .5584 8 .5523 .0061 16-8-2 .6538 .6339
[b][u]9 Cornell 49 .5569 9 .5554 .0015 12-5-5 .6591 .6743[/u][/b]
10 Michigan 48 .5546 10 .5505 .0041 14-7-3 .6458 .6552
11 Providence 47 .5499 11 .5454 .0045 15-7-5 .6481 .6477
12 Northeastern 47 .5465 12 .5404 .0061 16-10-3 .6034 .6088
13 Vermont 46 .5461 13 .5431 .0031 15-9-3 .6111 .6119
14 Minnesota-Duluth45 .5438 14 .5400 .0038 13-9-4 .5769 .5741
[b][u]15 Colgate 44 .5352 16 .5268 .0084 14-11-3 .5536 .5493[/u][/b]
16 Maine 43 .5359 15 .5300 .0059 13-10-3 .5577 .5708
Women after tonight.
Man, I don't care what anyone says: I love the ECAC being good.
I'll put the PWR up, since I don't think tomorrow's UNH-BU can significantly change the top 16.
USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Boston College 58 24-4-3 .8226 1 .6107* 1
2 Minnesota 57 21-4-5 .7833 2 .6009 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 20-6-4 .7333 4 .5764 3[/u][/b]
3t St. Cloud State 55 17-6-5 .6964 7 .5675* 4
5 Ferris State 54 21-7-3 .7258 5 .5663* 5
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 21-6-5 .7344 3 .5649* 6[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 17-9-2 .6429 8 .5580* 7
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-7-3 .7167 6 .5567 8
9 Northeastern 50 17-10-3 .6167 11 .5488* 9
10 Michigan 48 14-9-3 .5962 17 .5453 10
11t Maine 46 15-10-3 .5893 19t .5412 11
11t North Dakota 46 16-9-3 .6250 9t .5386 13
[b][u]13t Cornell 45 12-7-5 .6042 12 .5404 12[/u][/b]
13t Notre Dame 45 17-12-2 .5806 21 .5365 14
13t Vermont 45 15-11-3 .5690 23 .5364 15
16t Minn-Duluth 43 13-11-4 .5357 29 .5356 16
[b][u]16t Colgate 43 14-11-5 .5500 27t .5331 17[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2tVqHX8Yb
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Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6107 1 .6029 .0077 24-4-3 .8226 .8377
2 Minnesota 57 .6009 2 .5922 .0087 21-4-5 .7833 .7750
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5764 3 .5712 .0051 20-6-4 .7333 .7386[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 55 .5675 4 .5629 .0047 17-6-5 .6964 .6828
5 Ferris State 54 .5663 5 .5657 .0006 21-7-3 .7258 .7483
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 .5649 6 .5594 .0055 21-6-5 .7344 .7353[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 .5580 7 .5524 .0056 17-9-2 .6429 .6311
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5567 8 .5543 .0025 20-7-3 .7167 .7095
9 Northeastern 50 .5488 9 .5435 .0054 17-10-3 .6167 .6242
10 Michigan 48 .5453 10 .5415 .0039 14-9-3 .5962 .6129
11 Maine 46 .5412 11 .5357 .0055 15-10-3 .5893 .5992
12 North Dakota 46 .5386 13 .5374 .0011 16-9-3 .6250 .6074
[b][u]13 Cornell 45 .5404 12 .5396 .0009 12-7-5 .6042 .6074[/u][/b]
14 Notre Dame 45 .5365 14 .5320 .0046 17-12-2 .5806 .5586
15 Vermont 45 .5364 15 .5323 .0041 15-11-3 .5690 .5616
16 Minn-Duluth 43 .5356 16 .5312 .0044 13-11-4 .5357 .5420
[b][u]17 Colgate 43 .5331 17 .5257 .0074 14-11-5 .5500 .5395[/u][/b]
USCHO Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 14 30-1-1 .9531 1 .6869* 1
2 Wisconsin 13 23-5-2 .8000 3 .6127* 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 12 20-3-4 .8148 2 .6101* 3
4 Clarkson 11 23-4-5 .7969 4 .6017* 4
5 Harvard 10 20-4-3 .7963 5 .5972* 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 9 22-5-3 .7833 6 .5843 6
7t North Dakota 7 17-8-4 .6552 12 .5708* 7
7t Mercyhurst 7 20-7-3 .7167 8 .5652* 8
7t Robert Morris 7 22-7-3 .7344 7 .5630* 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 5 18-5-9 .7031 9 .5515* 10[/u][/b]
11 Boston Univ 4 20-10-1 .6613 11 .5419 11
12t Minnesota-Duluth2 13-11-6 .5333 15t .5244 12
12t Syracuse 2 18-11-3 .6094 13 .5235 13
[b][u]14t Princeton 1 13-10-4 .5556 14 .5180 14[/u][/b]
14t Northeastern 1 15-13-2 .5333 15t .5127 15
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2tVsHsjL8
That would give us St. Cloud in Cincinnati?
Quote from: nyc94That would give us St. Cloud in Cincinnati?
This, in mid-February, should give us an ulcer.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
February 17, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Boston College (49) 24- 4-3 999 1
2 Minnesota ( 1) 21- 4-5 948 2
[b][u]3 Union 20- 6-4 884 3[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 17- 6-5 832 6
[b][u]5 Quinnipiac 21- 6-5 778 4[/u][/b]
6 Ferris State 21- 7-3 755 4
7 Massachusetts-Lowell 20- 7-3 740 7
8 Wisconsin 17- 9-2 655 8
9 Northeastern 17-10-3 563 12
10 Michigan 14- 9-3 487 10
11 North Dakota 16- 9-3 435 17
12 Providence 15- 9-6 428 9
[b][u]13 Cornell 12- 7-5 411 11
14 Yale 13- 8-4 336 13[/u][/b]
15 Notre Dame 17-12-2 255 20
16 Vermont 15-11-3 205 15
17 Maine 15-10-3 175 NR
18 Denver 14-10-6 157 18
[b][u]19 Colgate 14-11-5 138 19[/u][/b]
20 Minnesota-Duluth 13-11-4 112 16
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Clarkson 95[/u][/b], Minnesota State 65,
Ohio State 29, New Hampshire 6, Air Force 5, Western Michigan 4,
Nebraska-Omaha 2, Mercyhurst 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2tcbQ1lNE
USA Men
Rank School (First) Last Week
1. Boston College,(33) 509 1
2. Minnesota, (1) 477 2
[b][u]3. Union, 411 3[/u][/b]
4. St. Cloud State, 398 6
5. Ferris State, 360 4
[b][u]6. Quinnipiac, 356 5[/u][/b]
7. UMass Lowell, 309 7
8. Wisconsin, 281 8
9. Northeastern, 217 12
10. Michigan, 168 11
11. North Dakota, 144 RV
12. Providence, 129 9
[b][u]13. Cornell, 110 10
14. Yale, 82 13[/u][/b]
15. Maine, 43 RV
Others receiving votes: Notre Dame, 34; Denver, 14; Vermont, 14;
[b][u]Colgate, 9[/u][/b]; Minnesota State, 7; Minnesota Duluth, 5; [b][u]Clarkson, 2[/u][/b].
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
February 17, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 30- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 23- 5-2 132 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 20- 3-4 116 3
4 Clarkson 23- 4-5 109 5[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 23- 5-3 77 7
[b][u]5 Harvard 20- 4-3 77 6[/u][/b]
7 North Dakota 17- 9-4 62 4
8 Mercyhurst 21- 7-3 47 8
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 18- 5-9 19 10[/u][/b]
9 Robert Morris 22- 7-3 19 9
Others receiving votes: Boston University 13, Syracuse 2,
Minnesota-Duluth 1, Northeastern 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2tcePiZuJ
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USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
February 18, 2014
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 University of Minnesota 190 (19) 1 30-1-1
2 University of Wisconsin 168 2 23-5-2
[b][u]3 Cornell University 144 3 20-3-4
4 Clarkson University 140 5 23-4-5
5 Harvard University 103 6 20-4-3[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 102 7 23-5-3
7 Univ of North Dakota 66 4 17-9-4
8 Mercyhurst University 64 8 21-7-3
9 Robert Morris University 25 9 22-7-3
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac University 24 10 18-5-9[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Boston University 13, Northeastern University 2,
Syracuse University 2, University of Minnesota Duluth 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-womens/#ixzz2tj76kAKh
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USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI
Rank Rank
1 Boston College 58 24-4-3 .8226 1 .6107* 1
2 Minnesota 57 21-4-5 .7833 2 .6009 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 20-6-4 .7333 4 .5767 3[/u][/b]
3t St. Cloud State 55 17-6-5 .6964 7 .5674* 4
5 Ferris State 54 21-7-3 .7258 5 .5662* 5
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 21-6-5 .7344 3 .5647* 6[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 17-9-2 .6429 8 .5581* 7
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-7-3 .7167 6 .5570 8
9 Northeastern 50 17-10-3 .6167 11 .5489* 9
10 Michigan 48 14-9-3 .5962 17 .5456 10
11t Maine 46 15-10-3 .5893 19t .5412 11
11t North Dakota 46 16-9-3 .6250 9t .5385 13
11t Vermont 46 15-11-3 .5690 23 .5367 14
[b][u]14 Cornell 45 12-7-5 .6042 12 .5404 12[/u][/b]
15 Notre Dame 44 17-12-2 .5806 21 .5366 15
16t Minnesota-Duluth43 13-11-4 .5357 30 .5358 16
[b][u]16t Colgate 43 14-11-5 .5500 27t .5332 17[/u][/b]
Read more: [www.uscho.com]
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6107 1 .6027 .0080 24-4-3 .8226 .8377
2 Minnesota 57 .6009 2 .5922 .0088 21-4-5 .7833 .7750
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5767 3 .5713 .0054 20-6-4 .7333 .7386[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 55 .5674 4 .5630 .0045 17-6-5 .6964 .6828
5 Ferris State 54 .5662 5 .5657 .0005 21-7-3 .7258 .7483
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 .5647 6 .5595 .0052 21-6-5 .7344 .7353[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 .5581 7 .5525 .0056 17-9-2 .6429 .6311
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5570 8 .5542 .0028 20-7-3 .7167 .7095
9 Northeastern 50 .5489 9 .5435 .0054 17-10-3 .6167 .6242
10 Michigan 48 .5456 10 .5414 .0042 14-9-3 .5962 .6129
11 Maine 46 .5412 11 .5355 .0057 15-10-3 .5893 .5992
12 North Dakota 46 .5385 13 .5374 .0011 16-9-3 .6250 .6074
13 Vermont 46 .5367 14 .5322 .0045 15-11-3 .5690 .5616
[b][u]14 Cornell 45 .5404 12 .5396 .0008 12-7-5 .6042 .6074[/u][/b]
15 Notre Dame 44 .5366 15 .5321 .0046 17-12-2 .5806 .5586
16 Minnesota-Duluth43 .5358 16 .5314 .0044 13-11-4 .5357 .5420
[b][u]17 Colgate 43 .5332 17 .5257 .0074 14-11-5 .5500 .5395[/u][/b]
Quote from: Jim HylaI'll put the PWR up, since I don't think tomorrow's UNH-BU can significantly change the top 16.
USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Boston College 58 24-4-3 .8226 1 .6107* 1
2 Minnesota 57 21-4-5 .7833 2 .6009 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 20-6-4 .7333 4 .5764 3[/u][/b]
3t St. Cloud State 55 17-6-5 .6964 7 .5675* 4
5 Ferris State 54 21-7-3 .7258 5 .5663* 5
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 21-6-5 .7344 3 .5649* 6[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 17-9-2 .6429 8 .5580* 7
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-7-3 .7167 6 .5567 8
9 Northeastern 50 17-10-3 .6167 11 .5488* 9
10 Michigan 48 14-9-3 .5962 17 .5453 10
11t Maine 46 15-10-3 .5893 19t .5412 11
11t North Dakota 46 16-9-3 .6250 9t .5386 13o
[b][u]13t Cornell 45 12-7-5 .6042 12 .5404 12[/u][/b]
13t Notre Dame 45 17-12-2 .5806 21 .5365 14
13t Vermont 45 15-11-3 .5690 23 .5364 15
16t Minn-Duluth 43 13-11-4 .5357 29 .5356 16
[b][u]16t Colgate 43 14-11-5 .5500 27t .5331 17[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2tVqHX8Yb
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6107 1 .6029 .0077 24-4-3 .8226 .8377
2 Minnesota 57 .6009 2 .5922 .0087 21-4-5 .7833 .7750
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5764 3 .5712 .0051 20-6-4 .7333 .7386[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 55 .5675 4 .5629 .0047 17-6-5 .6964 .6828
5 Ferris State 54 .5663 5 .5657 .0006 21-7-3 .7258 .7483
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 .5649 6 .5594 .0055 21-6-5 .7344 .7353[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 .5580 7 .5524 .0056 17-9-2 .6429 .6311
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5567 8 .5543 .0025 20-7-3 .7167 .7095
9 Northeastern 50 .5488 9 .5435 .0054 17-10-3 .6167 .6242
10 Michigan 48 .5453 10 .5415 .0039 14-9-3 .5962 .6129
11 Maine 46 .5412 11 .5357 .0055 15-10-3 .5893 .5992
12 North Dakota 46 .5386 13 .5374 .0011 16-9-3 .6250 .6074
[b][u]13 Cornell 45 .5404 12 .5396 .0009 12-7-5 .6042 .6074[/u][/b]
14 Notre Dame 45 .5365 14 .5320 .0046 17-12-2 .5806 .5586
15 Vermont 45 .5364 15 .5323 .0041 15-11-3 .5690 .5616
16 Minn-Duluth 43 .5356 16 .5312 .0044 13-11-4 .5357 .5420
[b][u]17 Colgate 43 .5331 17 .5257 .0074 14-11-5 .5500 .5395[/u][/b]
USCHO Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank
1 Minnesota 14 30-1-1 .9531 1 .6869* 1
2 Wisconsin 13 23-5-2 .8000 3 .6127* 2
[b][u]3 Cornell 12 20-3-4 .8148 2 .6101* 3
4 Clarkson 11 23-4-5 .7969 4 .6017* 4
5 Harvard 10 20-4-3 .7963 5 .5972* 5[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 9 22-5-3 .7833 6 .5843 6
7t North Dakota 7 17-8-4 .6552 12 .5708* 7
7t Mercyhurst 7 20-7-3 .7167 8 .5652* 8
7t Robert Morris 7 22-7-3 .7344 7 .5630* 9
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 5 18-5-9 .7031 9 .5515* 10[/u][/b]
11 Boston Univ 4 20-10-1 .6613 11 .5419 11
12t Minnesota-Duluth2 13-11-6 .5333 15t .5244 12
12t Syracuse 2 18-11-3 .6094 13 .5235 13
[b][u]14t Princeton 1 13-10-4 .5556 14 .5180 14[/u][/b]
14t Northeastern 1 15-13-2 .5333 15t .5127 15
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2tVsHsjL8
Looks like it did -- We are 14th now.....Vermont passed CU and ND.
Quote from: jeff '84Quote from: Jim HylaI'll put the PWR up, since I don't think tomorrow's UNH-BU can significantly change the top 16.
USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Boston College 58 24-4-3 .8226 1 .6107* 1
2 Minnesota 57 21-4-5 .7833 2 .6009 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 20-6-4 .7333 4 .5764 3[/u][/b]
3t St. Cloud State 55 17-6-5 .6964 7 .5675* 4
5 Ferris State 54 21-7-3 .7258 5 .5663* 5
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 21-6-5 .7344 3 .5649* 6[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 17-9-2 .6429 8 .5580* 7
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-7-3 .7167 6 .5567 8
9 Northeastern 50 17-10-3 .6167 11 .5488* 9
10 Michigan 48 14-9-3 .5962 17 .5453 10
11t Maine 46 15-10-3 .5893 19t .5412 11
11t North Dakota 46 16-9-3 .6250 9t .5386 13o
[b][u]13t Cornell 45 12-7-5 .6042 12 .5404 12[/u][/b]
13t Notre Dame 45 17-12-2 .5806 21 .5365 14
13t Vermont 45 15-11-3 .5690 23 .5364 15
16t Minn-Duluth 43 13-11-4 .5357 29 .5356 16
[b][u]16t Colgate 43 14-11-5 .5500 27t .5331 17[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2tVqHX8Yb
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6107 1 .6029 .0077 24-4-3 .8226 .8377
2 Minnesota 57 .6009 2 .5922 .0087 21-4-5 .7833 .7750
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5764 3 .5712 .0051 20-6-4 .7333 .7386[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 55 .5675 4 .5629 .0047 17-6-5 .6964 .6828
5 Ferris State 54 .5663 5 .5657 .0006 21-7-3 .7258 .7483
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 .5649 6 .5594 .0055 21-6-5 .7344 .7353[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 .5580 7 .5524 .0056 17-9-2 .6429 .6311
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5567 8 .5543 .0025 20-7-3 .7167 .7095
9 Northeastern 50 .5488 9 .5435 .0054 17-10-3 .6167 .6242
10 Michigan 48 .5453 10 .5415 .0039 14-9-3 .5962 .6129
11 Maine 46 .5412 11 .5357 .0055 15-10-3 .5893 .5992
12 North Dakota 46 .5386 13 .5374 .0011 16-9-3 .6250 .6074
[b][u]13 Cornell 45 .5404 12 .5396 .0009 12-7-5 .6042 .6074[/u][/b]
14 Notre Dame 45 .5365 14 .5320 .0046 17-12-2 .5806 .5586
15 Vermont 45 .5364 15 .5323 .0041 15-11-3 .5690 .5616
16 Minn-Duluth 43 .5356 16 .5312 .0044 13-11-4 .5357 .5420
[b][u]17 Colgate 43 .5331 17 .5257 .0074 14-11-5 .5500 .5395[/u][/b]
Looks like it did -- We are 14th now.....Vermont passed CU and ND.
Just had to happen. We are the only team in the top 16 whose PWR doen't correspond with their RPI.
So here are the new PWRs.
USCHO Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI
Rank Rank
1 Boston College 58 24-4-3 .8226 1 .6107* 1
2 Minnesota 57 21-4-5 .7833 2 .6009 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 20-6-4 .7333 4 .5767 3[/u][/b]
3t St. Cloud State 55 17-6-5 .6964 7 .5674* 4
5 Ferris State 54 21-7-3 .7258 5 .5662* 5
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 21-6-5 .7344 3 .5647* 6[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 17-9-2 .6429 8 .5581* 7
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-7-3 .7167 6 .5570 8
9 Northeastern 50 17-10-3 .6167 11 .5489* 9
10 Michigan 48 14-9-3 .5962 17 .5456 10
11t Maine 46 15-10-3 .5893 19t .5412 11
11t North Dakota 46 16-9-3 .6250 9t .5385 13
11t Vermont 46 15-11-3 .5690 23 .5367 14
[b][u]14 Cornell 45 12-7-5 .6042 12 .5404 12[/u][/b]
15 Notre Dame 44 17-12-2 .5806 21 .5366 15
16t Minnesota-Duluth43 13-11-4 .5357 30 .5358 16
[b][u]16t Colgate 43 14-11-5 .5500 27t .5332 17[/u][/b]
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2tdnXMaiM
CHN
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6107 1 .6027 .0080 24-4-3 .8226 .8377
2 Minnesota 57 .6009 2 .5922 .0088 21-4-5 .7833 .7750
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5767 3 .5713 .0054 20-6-4 .7333 .7386[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 55 .5674 4 .5630 .0045 17-6-5 .6964 .6828
5 Ferris State 54 .5662 5 .5657 .0005 21-7-3 .7258 .7483
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 53 .5647 6 .5595 .0052 21-6-5 .7344 .7353[/u][/b]
7 Wisconsin 52 .5581 7 .5525 .0056 17-9-2 .6429 .6311
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5570 8 .5542 .0028 20-7-3 .7167 .7095
9 Northeastern 50 .5489 9 .5435 .0054 17-10-3 .6167 .6242
10 Michigan 48 .5456 10 .5414 .0042 14-9-3 .5962 .6129
11 Maine 46 .5412 11 .5355 .0057 15-10-3 .5893 .5992
12 North Dakota 46 .5385 13 .5374 .0011 16-9-3 .6250 .6074
13 Vermont 46 .5367 14 .5322 .0045 15-11-3 .5690 .5616
[b][u]14 Cornell 45 .5404 12 .5396 .0008 12-7-5 .6042 .6074[/u][/b]
15 Notre Dame 44 .5366 15 .5321 .0046 17-12-2 .5806 .5586
16 Minnesota-Duluth43 .5358 16 .5314 .0044 13-11-4 .5357 .5420
[b][u]17 Colgate 43 .5332 17 .5257 .0074 14-11-5 .5500 .5395[/u][/b]
We just better win, and not fall further.
Quote from: Jim HylaWin.
This.
If we're going to get anywhere we're going to have to beat teams like Q. Winning that game would "make up for" at least the Colgate result and set us up for (hopefully) a nice end of RS run.
Even a loss might leave us with a shot, but then it becomes dicey.
Pretty amazing to have such a big drop after being 6th just 3 games ago.
USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
February 18, 2014
Team Points (First) Last Poll Record
1 University of Minnesota 190 (19) 1 30-1-1
2 University of Wisconsin 168 2 23-5-2
[b][u]3 Cornell University 144 3 20-3-4
4 Clarkson University 140 5 23-4-5
5 Harvard University 103 6 20-4-3[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 102 7 23-5-3
7 Univ of North Dakota 66 4 17-9-4
8 Mercyhurst University 64 8 21-7-3
9 Robert Morris University 25 9 22-7-3
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac University 24 10 18-5-9[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Boston University 13, Northeastern University 2,
Syracuse University 2, University of Minnesota Duluth 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/usa-today-womens/#ixzz2tj76kAKh
CHN and USCHO PWR are now unified (http://collegehockeyranked.com/2014/02/16/83/).
Quote from: TrotskyCHN and USCHO PWR are now unified (http://collegehockeyranked.com/2014/02/16/83/).
Go Adam, go.:-P
Back to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
Quote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
I thought RPI didn't drop if you beat a bad team. Did the other teams around us win, or am I misunderstanding that mechanic?
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
I thought RPI didn't drop if you beat a bad team. Did the other teams around us win, or am I misunderstanding that mechanic?
Northeastern beat Maine and North Dakota beat Duluth to raise their RPI above ours.
So here they are, and since there are no games till next weekend, they shouldn't change.:-D
CHN's (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php)
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Boston College 58 .6106 1 .6015 .0091 25-4-4 .8182 .8344
2 Minnesota 57 .5998 2 .5917 .0081 21-4-5 .7833 .7750
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5789 3 .5736 .0053 22-6-4 .7500 .7516[/u][/b]
4 Ferris State 55 .5697 4 .5689 .0008 23-7-3 .7424 .7610
5 St. Cloud State 54 .5637 5 .5595 .0042 18-7-5 .6833 .6774
6 Wisconsin 53 .5598 6 .5552 .0046 19-9-2 .6667 .6538
[b][u]7 Quinnipiac 52 .5532 8 .5477 .0055 21-8-5 .6912 .6818[/u][/b]
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5533 7 .5504 .0030 20-8-4 .6875 .6815
9 Northeastern 50 .5503 9 .5441 .0062 18-10-4 .6250 .6265
10 North Dakota 49 .5494 10 .5485 .0009 18-9-3 .6500 .6395
[b][u]11 Cornell 47 .5489 11 .5465 .0024 14-7-5 .6346 .6429[/u][/b]
12 Vermont 47 .5428 12 .5396 .0032 17-11-3 .5968 .5949
[b][u]13 Colgate 47 .5411 13 .5329 .0082 16-11-5 .5781 .5732[/u][/b]
14 Michigan 44 .5398 14 .5358 .0040 15-10-3 .5893 .5970
15 Notre Dame 44 .5393 15 .5354 .0039 19-12-2 .6061 .5817
16 Providence 42 .5389 16 .5348 .0042 17-9-6 .6250 .6132
and USCHO's. (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/)
Men's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Boston College 58 25-4-4 .8182 1 .6106* 1
2 Minnesota 57 21-4-5 .7833 2 .5998 2
[b][u]3t Union 55 22-6-4 .7500 3 .5789* 3[/u][/b]
3t Ferris State 55 23-7-3 .7424 4 .5697* 4
5 St. Cloud State 54 18-7-5 .6833 7 .5637* 5
6 Wisconsin 53 19-9-2 .6667 8 .5598* 6
[b][u]7 Quinnipiac 52 21-8-5 .6912 5 .5532 8[/u][/b]
8 Mass-Lowell 51 20-8-4 .6875 6 .5533 7
9 Northeastern 50 18-10-4 .6250 11t .5503* 9
10 North Dakota 49 18-9-3 .6500 9 .5494 10
[b][u]11t Cornell 47 14-7-5 .6346 10 .5489 11[/u][/b]
11t Vermont 47 17-11-3 .5968 16 .5428 12
[b][u]11t Colgate 47 16-11-5 .5781 22 .5411 13[/u][/b]
14t Michigan 44 15-10-3 .5893 19t .5398 14
14t Notre Dame 44 19-12-2 .6061 15 .5393 15
16 Providence 42 17-9-6 .6250 11t .5389* 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/#ixzz2u9Z8A7X5
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Minnesota 15 32-1-1 .9559 1 .6778* 1
2 Wisconsin 14 25-5-2 .8125 2 .6128* 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 13 25-4-5 .8088 3 .6001* 3
4 Harvard 12 21-4-4 .7931 5 .5932* 4[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 11 24-5-3 .7969 4 .5885* 6
[b][u]6 Cornell 10 20-5-4 .7586 6 .5901* 5[/u][/b]
7 Robert Morris 9 24-7-3 .7500 7 .5647* 7
8 Mercyhurst 8 22-7-4 .7273 8 .5624* 8
[b][u]9 Quinnipiac 7 20-5-9 .7206 9 .5594* 9[/u][/b]
10 North Dakota 6 17-11-4 .5938 12 .5477 10
11 Boston Univ 5 21-11-1 .6515 11 .5398 11
12t Northeastern 2 17-13-2 .5625 14 .5179 12
[b][u]12t Princeton 2 14-11-4 .5517 16 .5177 13[/u][/b]
12t Minnesota-Duluth2 13-13-6 .5000 18 .5176 14
12t Syracuse 2 18-13-3 .5735 13 .5138 15
12t Ohio State 2 14-15-5 .4853 19 .5081 16
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2u9fJVezf
Quote from: nyc94Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
I thought RPI didn't drop if you beat a bad team. Did the other teams around us win, or am I misunderstanding that mechanic?
Northeastern beat Maine and North Dakota beat Duluth to raise their RPI above ours.
And Q losing to Colgate dropped the bonus points we got for beating them.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: nyc94Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
I thought RPI didn't drop if you beat a bad team. Did the other teams around us win, or am I misunderstanding that mechanic?
Northeastern beat Maine and North Dakota beat Duluth to raise their RPI above ours.
And Q losing to Colgate dropped the bonus points we got for beating them.
I went to CHN to see what the effect would be if Quinnipiac had won. We would still be 11th and Quinnipiac would 6 instead of 7. But our RPI actually goes down from .5489 to .5481. If I am reading it correctly our unmodified RPI falls even more but our bonus is larger.
Quote from: nyc94Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: nyc94Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
I thought RPI didn't drop if you beat a bad team. Did the other teams around us win, or am I misunderstanding that mechanic?
Northeastern beat Maine and North Dakota beat Duluth to raise their RPI above ours.
And Q losing to Colgate dropped the bonus points we got for beating them.
I went to CHN to see what the effect would be if Quinnipiac had won. We would still be 11th and Quinnipiac would 6 instead of 7. But our RPI actually goes down from .5489 to .5481. If I am reading it correctly our unmodified RPI falls even more but our bonus is larger.
I wasn't sure what to make of the Q-Gate game RPIwise. I mean, having played both teams twice, either one winning (or losing) would impact our RPI, right?
RPI is, I think (and a quick search backs this up) just a function of winning percentage + opponents' win percentage + opponents' opponents' win percentage, with each component having a different coefficient (and something in place to keep bad wins from hurting you). Would it really matter at all which of Q and Gate won, or that we went 1-1 against Q and 0-2 against Gate, as far as RPI is concerned?
It's not a poll, but anyone want to see why shootout wins are stupid, just look at the NCHC standings for the top two teams.
W L T SW Win % Pts. Overall: W L T Win %
North Dakota 13 7 0 0 .650 39 18 9 3 .650
St. Cloud State 12 5 3 0 .675 39 18 7 5 .683
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/conference/nchc/#ixzz2uF3MmdIP
SCSU gets second because they have 3 ties and ND doesn't. They have the "better record" but lose because they lost the shootouts. They also won twice at ND. Fortunately first place can be determined on the ice, when they play ND at home this weekend.
Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: nyc94Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: nyc94Quote from: DafatoneQuote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyBack to 9th in PWR after the Q win.
And beating Princeton drops us into a 3-way tie for 11th. Never go to New Jersey.
I thought RPI didn't drop if you beat a bad team. Did the other teams around us win, or am I misunderstanding that mechanic?
Northeastern beat Maine and North Dakota beat Duluth to raise their RPI above ours.
And Q losing to Colgate dropped the bonus points we got for beating them.
I went to CHN to see what the effect would be if Quinnipiac had won. We would still be 11th and Quinnipiac would 6 instead of 7. But our RPI actually goes down from .5489 to .5481. If I am reading it correctly our unmodified RPI falls even more but our bonus is larger.
I wasn't sure what to make of the Q-Gate game RPIwise. I mean, having played both teams twice, either one winning (or losing) would impact our RPI, right?
RPI is, I think (and a quick search backs this up) just a function of winning percentage + opponents' win percentage + opponents' opponents' win percentage, with each component having a different coefficient (and something in place to keep bad wins from hurting you). Would it really matter at all which of Q and Gate won, or that we went 1-1 against Q and 0-2 against Gate, as far as RPI is concerned?
My impression (not backed by math) is that RPI is all about your record plus your in-conference opponents' out-of-conference play. In conference, the opponents' record will tend toward 0.500. OOC record will shift that above or below 0.500. So if your conference is doing well against other conferences, their OOC won-lost record will be higher and therefore, the overall record will be higher.
Again, not backed by math. Just my instinct.
I've always worried about the "can't be punished for a win" fudge creating different outcomes strictly based on game order. Say for instance Yale and Harvard play the same schedule with exactly the same results (their h2hs are ties) except Yale plays UAH (1-31-1) the first game of the season and Harvard plays them the last. Does the fudge factor mean that Harvard will have a better Modified RPI because they aren't allowed to drop, while Yale doesn't get the benefit because, having played UAH first, their proportionately smaller bump is not counted as a "drop"?
(I hate the "can't be 'punished'" epicycle anyway, since it rests on an emotional misperception of "punishment". I'd much prefer building the impossibility of losing value by winning or gaining value by losing into a continuous function rather than creating an artificial stepwise "floor." )
Cornell is 11 in the USCHO poll (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/2013-2014/poll,0224/february-24,-2014/):
[u]US PW Team[/u]
03 03 Union
08 07 Quinnipiac
11 11 [color=#D61616]Cornell[/color]
15 18 Yale
16 13 Colgate
24 24 Clarkson
-- 25 RPI
-- 31 SLU
-- 32 Brown
-- 40 Harvard
-- 45 Dartmouth
-- 55 Princeton
Quote from: TrotskyI've always worried about the "can't be punished for a win" fudge creating different outcomes strictly based on game order. Say for instance Yale and Harvard play the same schedule with exactly the same results (their h2hs are ties) except Yale plays UAH (1-31-1) the first game of the season and Harvard plays them the last. Does the fudge factor mean that Harvard will have a better Modified RPI because they aren't allowed to drop, while Yale doesn't get the benefit because, having played UAH first, their proportionately smaller bump is not counted as a "drop"?
(I hate the "can't be 'punished'" epicycle anyway, since it rests on an emotional misperception of "punishment". I'd much prefer building the impossibility of losing value by winning or gaining value by losing into a continuous function rather than creating an artificial stepwise "floor." )
I would hope that the system would come out the same for both of them. The only way for that to happen would be to figure out the RPI without UAH in the schedule for both teams, regardless of when they played them.
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyI've always worried about the "can't be punished for a win" fudge creating different outcomes strictly based on game order. Say for instance Yale and Harvard play the same schedule with exactly the same results (their h2hs are ties) except Yale plays UAH (1-31-1) the first game of the season and Harvard plays them the last. Does the fudge factor mean that Harvard will have a better Modified RPI because they aren't allowed to drop, while Yale doesn't get the benefit because, having played UAH first, their proportionately smaller bump is not counted as a "drop"?
(I hate the "can't be 'punished'" epicycle anyway, since it rests on an emotional misperception of "punishment". I'd much prefer building the impossibility of losing value by winning or gaining value by losing into a continuous function rather than creating an artificial stepwise "floor." )
I would hope that the system would come out the same for both of them. The only way for that to happen would be to figure out the RPI without UAH in the schedule for both teams, regardless of when they played them.
Pretty sure what it means is that midseason RPI is a work-in-progress. While the games might have a different affect on RPI
at the time of the game, they will have the exact same weight in the final result. If you play a team that is 5-0 and they finish the season 5-25, your final RPI treats the game as one against a 5-25 team. Basically you aren't punished
for having played UAH in your hypothetical, regardless of when the game was.
This has to be right, right?
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyI've always worried about the "can't be punished for a win" fudge creating different outcomes strictly based on game order. Say for instance Yale and Harvard play the same schedule with exactly the same results (their h2hs are ties) except Yale plays UAH (1-31-1) the first game of the season and Harvard plays them the last. Does the fudge factor mean that Harvard will have a better Modified RPI because they aren't allowed to drop, while Yale doesn't get the benefit because, having played UAH first, their proportionately smaller bump is not counted as a "drop"?
(I hate the "can't be 'punished'" epicycle anyway, since it rests on an emotional misperception of "punishment". I'd much prefer building the impossibility of losing value by winning or gaining value by losing into a continuous function rather than creating an artificial stepwise "floor." )
I would hope that the system would come out the same for both of them. The only way for that to happen would be to figure out the RPI without UAH in the schedule for both teams, regardless of when they played them.
Pretty sure what it means is that midseason RPI is a work-in-progress. While the games might have a different affect on RPI at the time of the game, they will have the exact same weight in the final result. If you play a team that is 5-0 and they finish the season 5-25, your final RPI treats the game as one against a 5-25 team. Basically you aren't punished for having played UAH in your hypothetical, regardless of when the game was.
This has to be right, right?
I'm pretty sure this is right because the selection committee isn't tracking RPI (or PWR) throughout the season the way we do. They look at the results after the dust has settled on March 23. Hopefully the various sites that calculate the metrics during the season use the same approach: calculating ratings using the entire season to date to get today's rankng.
The fact that there's a percieved need for a fudge factor simply points to the limits of RPI as a ranking system. But we've covered that ground many, many times through the years.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
February 24, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Boston College (49) 25- 4-4 999 1
2 Minnesota ( 1) 21- 4-5 946 2
[b][u]3 Union 22- 6-4 901 3[/u][/b]
4 Ferris State 23- 7-3 834 6
5 St. Cloud State 18- 7-5 781 4
6 Wisconsin 19- 9-2 732 8
7 Massachusetts-Lowell 20- 8-4 679 7
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 21- 8-5 650 5[/u][/b]
9 Northeastern 18-10-4 588 9
10 North Dakota 18- 9-3 575 11
[b][u]11 Cornell 14- 7-5 479 13[/u][/b]
12 Providence 17- 9-6 450 12
13 Michigan 15-10-3 372 10
14 Notre Dame 19-12-2 326 15
[b][u]15 Yale 14- 8-5 300 14
16 Colgate 16-11-5 269 19[/u][/b]
17 Vermont 17-11-3 261 16
18 Maine 15-11-4 141 17
19 Minnesota State 19-13-0 86 NR
20 Denver 14-12-6 30 18
Others receiving votes: Ohio State 25, New Hampshire 23, Minnesota-Duluth 15,
[b][u]Clarkson 13[/u][/b], Western Michigan 12, Air Force 7, Mercyhurst 6.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2uHz26jbB
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Boston College,(33) 509 1
2. Minnesota, (1) 477 2
[b][u]3. Union, 435 3[/u][/b]
4. Ferris State, 405 5
5. St. Cloud State, 364 4
6. Wisconsin, 325 8
[b][u]7. Quinnipiac, 287 6[/u][/b]
8. UMass Lowell, 280 7
9. Northeastern, 232 9
10. North Dakota, 230 11
[b][u]11. Cornell, 163 13[/u][/b]
12. Providence, 103 12
13. Michigan, 94 10
[b][u]14. Yale, 51 14
15. Colgate, 46 RV[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Notre Dame, 42; Vermont, 27; Maine, 4; Minnesota State, 4.
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
February 24, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 32- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 25- 5-2 133 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 25- 4-5 120 4[/u][/b]
4 Boston College 25- 5-3 100 5
[b][u]5 Harvard 21- 4-4 85 5
6 Cornell 20- 5-4 81 3
7 Quinnipiac 20- 5-9 52 9[/u][/b]
8 Mercyhurst 22- 7-4 43 8
9 North Dakota 17-11-4 27 7
10 Robert Morris 24- 7-3 24 9
Others receiving votes: Boston University 6, Northeastern 4.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2uHzOkTNJ
PWR Previously Posted
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
March 03, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (37) 23- 4-5 987 2
2 Boston College (12) 25- 5-4 951 1
[b][u]3 Union ( 1) 24- 6-4 912 3[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 19- 8-5 806 5
5 Wisconsin 19- 9-2 786 6
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 22- 8-6 709 8[/u][/b]
7 Ferris State 23- 9-3 693 4
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 21- 9-4 680 7
9 North Dakota 19-10-3 608 10
10 Providence 19- 9-6 559 12
11 Notre Dame 20-12-2 446 14
12 Michigan 16-10-4 426 13
[b][u]13 Cornell 15- 8-5 397 11[/u][/b]
14 Northeastern 18-12-4 374 9
15 Vermont 18-12-3 258 17
[b][u]16 Yale 15- 9-5 242 15[/u][/b]
17 Minnesota State 21-13-0 228 19
[b][u]18 Colgate 17-12-5 227 16[/u][/b]
19 Minnesota-Duluth 15-13-4 72 NR
20 Maine 15-13-4 28 18
Others receiving votes: Denver 27, [b][u]Clarkson 17[/u][/b], Ohio State 17, New Hampshire 16,
Air Force 10, Mercyhurst 8, Western Michigan 8, Nebraska-Omaha 6, Alaska 2.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2uwXyllU0
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, (27) 503 2
2. Boston College,(7) 480 1
[b][u]3. Union, 427 3[/u][/b]
4. St. Cloud State, 391 5
5. Wisconsin, 376 6
[b][u]6. Quinnipiac, 307 7[/u][/b]
7. Ferris State, 304 4
8. UMass Lowell, 278 8
9. North Dakota, 235 10
10. Providence, 210 12
11. Michigan, 148 13
12. Notre Dame, 144 RV
[b][u]13. Cornell, 119 11[/u][/b]
14. Northeastern, 92 9
[b][u]15. Yale, 27 14[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Minnesota State, 14; Vermont, 13; [b][u]Colgate, 10[/u][/b]; Alaska, 2.
CHN PWR
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk preRPI QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Minnesota 58 .6012 2 .5922 .0090 23-4-5 .7969 .7872
2 Boston College 57 .6012 1 .5932 .0080 25-5-4 .7941 .8047
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5818 3 .5772 .0046 24-6-4 .7647 .7688[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State 55 .5602 4 .5546 .0055 19-8-5 .6719 .6606
5 Wisconsin 54 .5586 5 .5538 .0048 19-9-2 .6667 .6538
6 Ferris State 53 .5584 6 .5576 .0008 23-9-3 .7000 .7246
[b][u]7 Quinnipiac 52 .5542 8 .5496 .0046 22-8-6 .6944 .6903[/u][/b]
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5546 7 .5506 .0040 21-9-4 .6765 .6766
9 North Dakota 50 .5516 9 .5487 .0030 19-10-3 .6406 .6369
10 Notre Dame 49 .5458 10 .5399 .0059 20-12-2 .6176 .5975
11 Providence 47 .5456 11 .5417 .0039 19-9-6 .6471 .6404
12 Michigan 46 .5430 12 .5393 .0037 16-10-4 .6000 .6069
[b][u]13 Cornell 45 .5407 13 .5388 .0019 15-8-5 .6250 .6259[/u][/b]
14 Vermont 45 .5392 14 .5366 .0026 18-12-3 .5909 .5833
15 Northeastern 44 .5387 15 .5324 .0063 18-12-4 .5882 .5901
[b][u]16 Colgate 43 .5351 17 .5277 .0074 17-12-5 .5735 .5632[/u][/b]
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
March 03, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 34- 1-1 150 1
2 Wisconsin 27- 6-2 126 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 27- 4-5 125 3[/u][/b]
4 Boston College 26- 5-3 104 4
[b][u]5 Cornell 22- 5-4 87 6
6 Harvard 23- 5-4 76 5
7 Quinnipiac 22- 5-9 50 7[/u][/b]
8 Mercyhurst 22- 7-4 45 8
9 North Dakota 19-11-4 33 9
10 Robert Morris 24- 7-3 23 10
Others receiving votes: Boston University 3, Northeastern 2, Minnesota-Duluth 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2uwaVMej6
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Minnesota 16 34-1-1 .9583 1 .6738* 1
2 Wisconsin 15 27-6-2 .8000 4 .6049* 2
[b][u]3 Clarkson 14 27-4-5 .8194 2 .6019* 3
4 Cornell 13 22-5-4 .7742 6 .5966* 4[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 12 26-5-3 .8088 3 .5928* 5
[b][u]6 Harvard 11 23-5-4 .7812 5 .5889* 6[/u][/b]
7 Robert Morris 10 24-7-3 .7500 7 .5638* 8
8 Mercyhurst 9 22-7-4 .7273 9 .5626* 9
[b]9 Quinnipiac 8 22-5-9 .7361 8 .5661* 7[/b]
10 North Dakota 7 19-11-4 .6176 12 .5516 10
11t Boston Univ 5 22-12-1 .6429 10 .5381 11
11t Northeastern 5 19-13-2 .5882 14 .5225 12
13t Minnesota-Duluth4 15-14-6 .5143 18 .5196 13
13t Syracuse 4 20-13-3 .5972 13 .5176 14
15 Ohio State 2 15-17-5 .4730 19 .5027 16
[b][u]16 Princeton 1 14-13-4 .5161 17 .5113 15[/u][/b]
17 Vermont 0 18-13-4 .5714 15 .5027 17
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2uwanohKR
So who are the better prognosticators?
Coaches' preseason poll
Ended
1. Yale (4) - 103 6
2. Rensselaer (2) - 102 7
3. Quinnipiac (2) - 93 3
Union (2) - 93 1
5. Cornell (1) - 89 4
6. Harvard - 67 11
7. Dartmouth (1) - 64 10
8. Brown - 46 9
9. Colgate - 44 2
10. St. Lawrence - 43 8
11. Princeton - 26 12
12. Clarkson - 22 5
ECAC Hockey Media Association's 2013-14 preseason poll
Ended
1. Rensselaer (18) - 367 7
2. Yale (5) - 224 6
3. Quinnipiac (6) - 292 3
4. Union (3) - 287 1
5. Cornell (1) - 238 4
Dartmouth - 238 10
7. St. Lawrence - 212 8
8. Brown - 188 9
9. Colgate - 125 2
10.Harvard - 108 11
11.Princeton - 102 12
12.Clarkson - 83 5
Preseason
Final Season Pts Coaches Media
1 Union 37 4 4
2 Colgate 29 9 9
3 Quinnipiac 28 3 3
4 Cornell 26 5 5
5 Clarkson 24 12 12
Yale 24 1 2
7 Rensselaer 21 2 1
8 St. Lawrence 18 10 7
9 Brown 17 8 8
10 Dartmouth 16 7 6
Harvard 16 6 10
12 Princeton 8 11 11
Whichever coach picked Dartmouth to finish first is clearly the worst prognosticator.
Quote from: Jim HylaSo who are the better prognosticators?
Coaches' preseason poll
Ended
1. Yale (4) - 103 6
2. Rensselaer (2) - 102 7
3. Quinnipiac (2) - 93 3
Union (2) - 93 1
5. Cornell (1) - 89 4
6. Harvard - 67 11
7. Dartmouth (1) - 64 10
8. Brown - 46 9
9. Colgate - 44 2
10. St. Lawrence - 43 8
11. Princeton - 26 12
12. Clarkson - 22 5
ECAC Hockey Media Association's 2013-14 preseason poll
Ended
1. Rensselaer (18) - 367 7
2. Yale (5) - 224 6
3. Quinnipiac (6) - 292 3
4. Union (3) - 287 1
5. Cornell (1) - 238 4
Dartmouth - 238 10
7. St. Lawrence - 212 8
8. Brown - 188 9
9. Colgate - 125 2
10.Harvard - 108 11
11.Princeton - 102 12
12.Clarkson - 83 5
Preseason
Final Season Pts Coaches Media
1 Union 37 4 4
2 Colgate 29 9 9
3 Quinnipiac 28 3 3
4 Cornell 26 5 5
5 Clarkson 24 12 12
Yale 24 1 2
7 Rensselaer 21 2 1
8 St. Lawrence 18 10 7
9 Brown 17 8 8
10 Dartmouth 16 7 6
Harvard 16 6 10
12 Princeton 8 11 11
Well, who is? Eyeball test says the media by a hair, but neither did great, and I can't so a sum of squares in my head.
Quote from: French RageQuote from: Jim HylaSo who are the better prognosticators?
Coaches' preseason poll
Ended
1. Yale (4) - 103 6
2. Rensselaer (2) - 102 7
3. Quinnipiac (2) - 93 3
Union (2) - 93 1
5. Cornell (1) - 89 4
6. Harvard - 67 11
7. Dartmouth (1) - 64 10
8. Brown - 46 9
9. Colgate - 44 2
10. St. Lawrence - 43 8
11. Princeton - 26 12
12. Clarkson - 22 5
ECAC Hockey Media Association's 2013-14 preseason poll
Ended
1. Rensselaer (18) - 367 7
2. Yale (5) - 224 6
3. Quinnipiac (6) - 292 3
4. Union (3) - 287 1
5. Cornell (1) - 238 4
Dartmouth - 238 10
7. St. Lawrence - 212 8
8. Brown - 188 9
9. Colgate - 125 2
10.Harvard - 108 11
11.Princeton - 102 12
12.Clarkson - 83 5
Preseason
Final Season Pts Coaches Media
1 Union 37 4 4
2 Colgate 29 9 9
3 Quinnipiac 28 3 3
4 Cornell 26 5 5
5 Clarkson 24 12 12
Yale 24 1 2
7 Rensselaer 21 2 1
8 St. Lawrence 18 10 7
9 Brown 17 8 8
10 Dartmouth 16 7 6
Harvard 16 6 10
12 Princeton 8 11 11
Well, who is? Eyeball test says the media by a hair, but neither did great, and I can't so a sum of squares in my head.
I'd say the coaches did worst, mainly because of Harvard. Year after year, they keep picking Harvard in the top half, and except in 2011-12 (I actually think they didn't pick them top half) they have been disappointing since losing that first round series to Brown in 2009.
Quote from: gatefanQuote from: French RageQuote from: Jim HylaSo who are the better prognosticators?
Coaches' preseason poll
Ended
1. Yale (4) - 103 6
2. Rensselaer (2) - 102 7
3. Quinnipiac (2) - 93 3
Union (2) - 93 1
5. Cornell (1) - 89 4
6. Harvard - 67 11
7. Dartmouth (1) - 64 10
8. Brown - 46 9
9. Colgate - 44 2
10. St. Lawrence - 43 8
11. Princeton - 26 12
12. Clarkson - 22 5
ECAC Hockey Media Association's 2013-14 preseason poll
Ended
1. Rensselaer (18) - 367 7
2. Yale (5) - 224 6
3. Quinnipiac (6) - 292 3
4. Union (3) - 287 1
5. Cornell (1) - 238 4
Dartmouth - 238 10
7. St. Lawrence - 212 8
8. Brown - 188 9
9. Colgate - 125 2
10.Harvard - 108 11
11.Princeton - 102 12
12.Clarkson - 83 5
Preseason
Final Season Pts Coaches Media
1 Union 37 4 4
2 Colgate 29 9 9
3 Quinnipiac 28 3 3
4 Cornell 26 5 5
5 Clarkson 24 12 12
Yale 24 1 2
7 Rensselaer 21 2 1
8 St. Lawrence 18 10 7
9 Brown 17 8 8
10 Dartmouth 16 7 6
Harvard 16 6 10
12 Princeton 8 11 11
Well, who is? Eyeball test says the media by a hair, but neither did great, and I can't so a sum of squares in my head.
I'd say the coaches did worst, mainly because of Harvard. Year after year, they keep picking Harvard in the top half, and except in 2011-12 (I actually think they didn't pick them top half) they have been disappointing since losing that first round series to Brown in 2009.
They are trying to fool the AD at Harvard into thinking that Teddy is worth keeping on the Cantab's payroll. ;-)
Quote from: French RageWell, who is? Eyeball test says the media by a hair, but neither did great, and I can't so a sum of squares in my head.
I can't either, but I'll tell you this -- it aint TBRW. It picked Colgate 12th. Nothing like a 100 cell value (greater than many entire league runs) to ruin your prediction.
Media wins by a smidge.
Coach Media TBRW Coach Media TBRW
1 Uni 4 4 3 3 3 2
2 Col 9 9 12 7 7 10
3 Qpc 3 3 2 0 0 -1
4 Cor 5 5 5 1 1 1
5 Clk 12 12 10 7 7 5
6 Yal 1 2 7 -5 -4 1
7 RPI 2 1 1 -5 -6 -6
8 SLU 10 7 4 2 -1 -4
9 Brn 8 8 6 -1 -1 -3
10 Drt 7 6 8 -3 -4 -2
11 Hvd 6 10 9 -5 -1 -2
12 Prn 11 11 11 -1 -1 -1
198 180 202
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: French RageWell, who is? Eyeball test says the media by a hair, but neither did great, and I can't so a sum of squares in my head.
I can't either, but I'll tell you this -- it aint TBRW. It picked Colgate 12th. Nothing like a 100 cell value (greater than many entire league runs) to ruin your prediction.
Media wins by a smidge.
Coach Media TBRW Coach Media TBRW
1 Uni 4 4 3 3 3 2
2 Col 9 9 12 7 7 10
3 Qpc 3 3 2 0 0 -1
4 Cor 5 5 5 1 1 1
5 Clk 12 12 10 7 7 5
6 Yal 1 2 7 -5 -4 1
7 RPI 2 1 1 -5 -6 -6
8 SLU 10 7 4 2 -1 -4
9 Brn 8 8 6 -1 -1 -3
10 Drt 7 6 8 -3 -4 -2
11 Hvd 6 10 9 -5 -1 -2
12 Prn 11 11 11 -1 -1 -1
198 180 202
You do get points for picking Clarkson tenth rather than twelfth.
Quote from: martyYou do get points for picking Clarkson tenth rather than twelfth.
This year's good prediction was that Yale would regress, which was projected (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Never.html) from Yale's 2013 ECAC upset loss and second half drop, and the loss of their goaltending and a substantial amount of their offense.
Then again, the other team that was supposed to crater by those metrics was... Colgate. Oh well.
The teams possibly in trouble in 2014-15 based on loss of senior scoring will be: Clarkson (losing 4 of their top 5 scorers), Princeton (4/6 including Caloff), Quinnipiac (3/5: the Jones brothers and Samuels-Thomas), St. Lawrence (3/5 including Greg Carey's 181 career points), Union (3/5 including Carr and Bodie), and Yale again (3/4, including Root and Agostino).
Far and away the greatest impact from loss in goal will be us. Brown (DeFilippo), Harvard (Girard), and St. Lawrence (Weninger) all either have credible backups or are losing unimpressive incumbents.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyYou do get points for picking Clarkson tenth rather than twelfth.
This year's good prediction was that Yale would regress, which was projected (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Never.html) from Yale's 2013 ECAC upset loss and second half drop, and the loss of their goaltending and a substantial amount of their offense.
Then again, the other team that was supposed to crater by those metrics was... Colgate. Oh well.
The teams possibly in trouble in 2014-15 based on loss of senior scoring will be: Clarkson (losing 4 of their top 5 scorers), Princeton (4/6 including Caloff), Quinnipiac (3/5: the Jones brothers and Samuels-Thomas), St. Lawrence (3/5 including Greg Carey's 181 career points), Union (3/5 including Carr and Bodie), and Yale again (3/4, including Root and Agostino).
Far and away the greatest impact from loss in goal will be us. Brown (DeFilippo), Harvard (Girard), and St. Lawrence (Weninger) all either have credible backups or are losing unimpressive incumbents.
What a surprise, possibly?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyYou do get points for picking Clarkson tenth rather than twelfth.
This year's good prediction was that Yale would regress, which was projected (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Never.html) from Yale's 2013 ECAC upset loss and second half drop, and the loss of their goaltending and a substantial amount of their offense.
Then again, the other team that was supposed to crater by those metrics was... Colgate. Oh well.
The teams possibly in trouble in 2014-15 based on loss of senior scoring will be: Clarkson (losing 4 of their top 5 scorers), Princeton (4/6 including Caloff), Quinnipiac (3/5: the Jones brothers and Samuels-Thomas), St. Lawrence (3/5 including Greg Carey's 181 career points), Union (3/5 including Carr and Bodie), and Yale again (3/4, including Root and Agostino).
Far and away the greatest impact from loss in goal will be us. Brown (DeFilippo), Harvard (Girard), and St. Lawrence (Weninger) all either have credible backups or are losing unimpressive incumbents.
I can't wait for the follow-up thread, "Not-Andy Iles by the numbers".
Quote from: Jim HylaWhat a surprise, possibly?
Possibly in the sense of if other teams lose more to defections then those teams may not wind up looking too bad.
Edit: oh, I get it, Princeton. Yeah, that could be a serious train wreck, but then again Cornell did pretty well in 1988.
Quote from: Kyle RoseI can't wait for the follow-up thread, "Not-Andy Iles by the numbers".
Or "Iles is not an answer."
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyYou do get points for picking Clarkson tenth rather than twelfth.
This year's good prediction was that Yale would regress, which was projected (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Never.html) from Yale's 2013 ECAC upset loss and second half drop, and the loss of their goaltending and a substantial amount of their offense.
Then again, the other team that was supposed to crater by those metrics was... Colgate. Oh well.
The teams possibly in trouble in 2014-15 based on loss of senior scoring will be: Clarkson (losing 4 of their top 5 scorers), Princeton (4/6 including Caloff), Quinnipiac (3/5: the Jones brothers and Samuels-Thomas), St. Lawrence (3/5 including Greg Carey's 181 career points), Union (3/5 including Carr and Bodie), and Yale again (3/4, including Root and Agostino).
Far and away the greatest impact from loss in goal will be us. Brown (DeFilippo), Harvard (Girard), and St. Lawrence (Weninger) all either have credible backups or are losing unimpressive incumbents.
Is it too early to start a "Gillam is not the answer" thread?
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Kyle RoseI can't wait for the follow-up thread, "Not-Andy Iles by the numbers".
Or "Iles is not an answer."
I'd hope to see "Not-Iles
is the answer."
Quote from: SwampyIs it too early to start a "Gillam is not the answer" thread?
The accepted practice is:
1. Wait for X to lose a game
*.
2. Judiciously conclude X is not the answer, we are doomed, Schafer must go, and anyone who thinks differently is a Pollyanna to be reviled or pitied.
* note this can occur after any number of wins
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: SwampyIs it too early to start a "Gillam is not the answer" thread?
The accepted practice is:
1. Wait for X to lose a game*.
2. Judiciously conclude X is not the answer, we are doomed, Schafer must go, and anyone who thinks differently is a Pollyanna to be reviled or pitied.
* note this can occur after any number of wins
You left out step 3: transfer to RPI. (or is that step 0?)
Quote from: RobbYou left out step 3: transfer to RPI. (or is that step 0?)
One does not "transfer" to RPI. One is "designated for assignment."
Quote from: SwampyIs it too early to start a "Gillam is not the answer" thread?
Wow, tough crowd. After all, he does lead the team in goals scored per game played. ::whistle::
Quote from: Give My RegardsQuote from: SwampyIs it too early to start a "Gillam is not the answer" thread?
Wow, tough crowd. After all, he does lead the team in goals scored per game played. ::whistle::
whatevs. his goal scoring streak is already over
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyYou do get points for picking Clarkson tenth rather than twelfth.
This year's good prediction was that Yale would regress, which was projected (http://www.tbrw.info/?/seasons/2014/2014_Never.html) from Yale's 2013 ECAC upset loss and second half drop, and the loss of their goaltending and a substantial amount of their offense.
Then again, the other team that was supposed to crater by those metrics was... Colgate. Oh well.
The teams possibly in trouble in 2014-15 based on loss of senior scoring will be: Clarkson (losing 4 of their top 5 scorers), Princeton (4/6 including Caloff), Quinnipiac (3/5: the Jones brothers and Samuels-Thomas), St. Lawrence (3/5 including Greg Carey's 181 career points), Union (3/5 including Carr and Bodie), and Yale again (3/4, including Root and Agostino).
Far and away the greatest impact from loss in goal will be us. Brown (DeFilippo), Harvard (Girard), and St. Lawrence (Weninger) all either have credible backups or are losing unimpressive incumbents.
Looking at that, we (Colgate) should be in good shape entering next year, losing our No. 1A goalie (Mihalik may be back-up but we owe him 3 playoff series wins) and a fourth-liner. Then again, we also thought we were in good shape entering 2010-11 and only started playing like the team we were supposed to be all year in the postseason.
So, probably the last week to post the polls.
They are even less significant this time of year and reasonably match the PWR.
USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
March 10, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (29) 24- 4-6 978 1
2 Boston College (19) 25- 5-4 965 2
[b][u]3 Union ( 1) 24- 6-4 899 3[/u][/b]
4 St. Cloud State ( 1) 21- 8-5 841 4
5 Wisconsin 21- 9-2 788 5
6 Ferris State 25- 9-3 719 7
[b][u]6 Quinnipiac 22- 8-6 719 6[/u][/b]
8 Massachusetts-Lowell 21- 9-4 669 8
9 Providence 19- 9-6 569 10
10 North Dakota 20-11-3 554 9
11 Notre Dame 21-12-2 481 11
[b][u]12 Cornell 15- 8-5 428 13[/u][/b]
13 Michigan 17-11-4 365 12
14 Northeastern 18-12-4 348 14
15 Vermont 19-12-3 318 15
[b][u]16 Yale 17- 9-5 254 16
17 Colgate 17-12-5 213 18[/u][/b]
18 Minnesota State 22-13-1 205 17
19 Maine 16-13-4 68 20
20 Minnesota-Duluth 16-14-4 62 19
Others receiving votes: New Hampshire 18, [b][u]Clarkson 8[/u][/b], Western Michigan 8,
Ohio State 7, Denver 6, Nebraska-Omaha 5, Air Force 4, Alaska 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2vb3jy0No
USA
Rank School Last Week
1. Minnesota, 506 (30)1
2. Boston College, 480 (4) 2
[b][u]3. Union, 439 3[/u][/b]
4. St. Cloud State,401 4
5. Wisconsin, 371 5
6. Ferris State, 324 7
[b][u]7. Quinnipiac, 319 6[/u][/b]
8. UMass Lowell, 268 8
9. North Dakota, 219 9
10. Providence, 199 10
11. Notre Dame, 161 12
[b][u]12. Cornell, 133 13[/u][/b]
13. Michigan, 86 11
14. Northeastern, 67 14
15. Vermont, 47 RV
Others receiving votes: [b][u]Yale, 25; Colgate, 22[/u][/b]; Minnesota State, 13.
PWR
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Minnesota 58 .6011 1 .0080 24-4-6 .7941 .7893
2 Boston College 57 .6007 2 .0083 25-5-4 .7941 .8047
[b][u]3 Union 55 .5809 3 .0048 24-6-4 .7647 .7688[/u][/b]
4 Wisconsin 55 .5643 4 .0042 21-9-2 .6875 .6831
5 St. Cloud State 54 .5634 5 .0047 21-8-5 .6912 .6836
6 Ferris State 53 .5626 6 .0006 25-9-3 .7162 .7371
[b][u]7 Quinnipiac 52 .5548 7 .0045 22-8-6 .6944 .6903[/u][/b]
8 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5537 8 .0041 21-9-4 .6765 .6766
9 Notre Dame 50 .5482 9 .0057 21-12-2 .6286 .6074
10 North Dakota 49 .5465 10 .0026 20-11-3 .6324 .6228
11 Providence 47 .5463 11 .0043 19-9-6 .6471 .6404
12 Vermont 47 .5418 12 .0026 19-12-3 .6029 .5930
[b][u]13 Cornell 45 .5412 13 .0024 15-8-5 .6250 .6259[/u][/b]
14 Michigan 44 .5404 14 .0035 17-11-4 .5938 .6013
15 Northeastern 44 .5393 15 .0065 18-12-4 .5882 .5901
[b][u]16 Colgate 43 .5356 17 .0077 17-12-5 .5735 .5632[/u][/b]
USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
March 10, 2014
Team (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 36- 1-1 150 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 24- 5-4 126 5[/u][/b]
3 Wisconsin 27- 7-2 118 2
[b][u]4 Clarkson 28- 5-5 112 3[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 27- 6-3 87 4
[b][u]6 Harvard 23- 6-4 76 6[/u][/b]
7 Mercyhurst 23- 8-4 49 8
8 North Dakota 20-12-4 45 9
9 Boston University 24-12-1 29 NR
[b][u]10 Quinnipiac 22- 6-9 23 7[/u][/b]
Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 8, Minnesota-Duluth 1, Rochester Institute of Technology 1.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2vb4CBWdT
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings
Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % RPI RPI Rank
Rank
1 Minnesota 16 36-1-1 .9605 1 .6794* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell 15 24-5-4 .7879 4 .6046* 2
3 Clarkson 14 28-5-5 .8026 2 .5999* 3[/u][/b]
4 Wisconsin 13 27-7-2 .7778 5 .5980* 4
[b][u]5 Harvard 12 23-6-4 .7576 6 .5832* 6[/u][/b]
6 Boston College 11 27-6-3 .7917 3 .5886* 5
7 Mercyhurst 10 23-8-4 .7143 9 .5593* 8
[b][u]8 Quinnipiac 9 22-6-9 .7162 8 .5609* 7[/u][/b]
9 Robert Morris 8 24-8-3 .7286 7 .5568 9
10 North Dakota 7 20-12-4 .6111 12 .5529 10
11 Boston Univer 6 24-12-1 .6622 10 .5458 11
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2vb4MpjQX
Wisconsin-Clarkson, Harvard-BC, and Quinny-Nodak, all flipped in the the Women's poll relative to the PWR. Sure looks like an anti-ECAC bias to me.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Wisconsin-Clarkson, Harvard-BC, and Quinny-Nodak, all flipped in the the Women's poll relative to the PWR. Sure looks like an anti-ECAC bias to me.
Since 2005, the champship has been won by a western team every year; the runners-up have been other western teams four times, BU twice, Mercyhurst once, Cornell once. I suppose I can understand the bias on that basis.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Wisconsin-Clarkson, Harvard-BC, and Quinny-Nodak, all flipped in the the Women's poll relative to the PWR. Sure looks like an anti-ECAC bias to me.
Since 2005, the champship has been won by a western team every year; the runners-up have been other western teams four times, BU twice, Mercyhurst once, Cornell once. I suppose I can understand the bias on that basis.
Yeah. I think the west has earned it here. In the 13 year history of the event, which has never been won by an eastern school, the ECAC has had the runner up six times, WCHA four times, HEA twice, CHA once.
Also of note, the Frozen Four has never been on an ECAC campus before this year and won't be again until at least 2019. (Minneapolis in '15, Durham in '16, St. Charles, MO(?) in '17, and Minneapolis again (for the sixth time) in '18.
Quote from: Chris '03St. Charles, MO(?) in '17
This may seem like a bizarre choice (and, well, it is) but St. Charles is one of the most interesting towns in the country. It's a very strange place -- sort of if Savannah and Reno had a baby in Kansas.
Also the birthplace of Santino from Project Runway, which once you go there makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Wisconsin-Clarkson, Harvard-BC, and Quinny-Nodak, all flipped in the the Women's poll relative to the PWR. Sure looks like an anti-ECAC bias to me.
Since 2005, the champship has been won by a western team every year; the runners-up have been other western teams four times, BU twice, Mercyhurst once, Cornell once. I suppose I can understand the bias on that basis.
Understand, yes. Accept gracefully? Never! ::moon:: :-D
We drop one slot to 13 (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=national). Union moves up to 2 for the first time in their history.
02 Uni
05 Qpc
13 Cor
14 Col
20 Yal
26 Clk
Cornell slides (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=national) to #16 in USCHO.
Union is #1 for the first time in school history.
01 Uni
07 Qpc
12 Col
16 Cor
21 Yal