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Title: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: Johnny 5 on March 30, 2013, 11:57:25 AM
Wow! I guess I never took the time to count them.
Sixteen seniors? And, all of the standouts.
Is this the end of the Tambroni Era??

::help::
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: ugarte on March 30, 2013, 12:28:01 PM
6-1 in the 1st period. End of Tambroni era going OK today at least.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: RichH on March 30, 2013, 12:34:34 PM
7-2 with 10:50 left in the half.

RedCast video has no audio, but in an upset, the audio does.  Looks like a nice day in Ithaca.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: ugarte on March 30, 2013, 01:11:03 PM
11-3 in the 3d.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 30, 2013, 01:30:46 PM
According to Inside Lax, it's 17-4 after 3.

Edit:  Now 21-4.  If it weren't for the "4", it sounds like a football score.  FWIW, I've never seen us score over 20 before, either.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 30, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
21-5 Final
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: scoop85 on March 30, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
UNC just been JHU 11-10 in OT.  FOGO one the faceoff clean and raced to the net for the game winner. JHU took its first lead late in the fourth, but the Tarheels tied it with just over a minute left in the fourth.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: billhoward on March 30, 2013, 03:03:34 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82According to Inside Lax, it's 17-4 after 3.

Edit:  Now 21-4.  If it weren't for the "4", it sounds like a football score.  FWIW, I've never seen us score over 20 before, either.
Cornell 21, Syracuse 3, at Cornell in 1972. Syracuse was having an off year. Cornell was, too: Backsliding after the national champsionship season.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: Ben on March 30, 2013, 03:10:15 PM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82According to Inside Lax, it's 17-4 after 3.

Edit:  Now 21-4.  If it weren't for the "4", it sounds like a football score.  FWIW, I've never seen us score over 20 before, either.
Cornell 21, Syracuse 3, at Cornell in 1972. Syracuse was having an off year. Cornell was, too: Backsliding after the national champsionship season.
21-11 v Penn, March 28, 2009.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - other scores
Post by: billhoward on March 30, 2013, 03:25:40 PM
Ivy League Saturday:

Cornell 21, Dartmouth 5
Princeton 15, Brown 8
Yale 7, Penn 6
Duke at Harvard, 7 pm, NBC Sports (so many choices to root against)

Cornell 3-0 Ivies
Princeton 2-1
Brown, Harvard 1-1
Penn, Yale 1-2
Dartmouth, 0-2

Standings
Cornell        3-0 Ivies
Princeton      2-1 (lost 11-10 to Penn)
Brown, Harvard 1-1
Penn, Yale     1-2
Dartmouth,     0-2
Columbia       DNP

If Cornell and Princeton go unbeaten in other league games, the winner of the Cornell-Princeton game (4/27, 4 pm, Meadowlands) hosts the Ivy tournament because of the H2H game. Princeton's remaining league games are at Dartmouth and hosting Harvard.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - other scores
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 30, 2013, 03:36:22 PM
And Notre Dame lost today to St. John's.  With Maryland leading UVa by 4 in the 4th Q, we're probably moving back to #2.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: JasonN95 on March 30, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82According to Inside Lax, it's 17-4 after 3.

Edit:  Now 21-4.  If it weren't for the "4", it sounds like a football score.  FWIW, I've never seen us score over 20 before, either.

Is a tiebreaker for the Ivy tourney seeding total goals or goal differential? If so, I think you should keep the pedal to the metal in league games. (or, since there's always a head to head winner, is that the only tiebreaker that is needed?)
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: ugarte on March 30, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: JasonN95(or, since there's always a head to head winner, is that the only tiebreaker that is needed?)
If three teams tied at 5-1, with 1-1 records against the other two, there would have to be some other tiebreaker - though I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - other scores
Post by: Swampy on March 30, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: billhowardIvy League Saturday:

Cornell 21, Dartmouth 5
Princeton 15, Brown 8
Yale 7, Penn 6
Duke at Harvard, 7 pm, NBC Sports (so many choices to root against)

Cornell 3-0 Ivies
Princeton 2-1
Brown, Harvard 1-1
Penn, Yale 1-2
Dartmouth, 0-2

Standings
Cornell        3-0 Ivies
Princeton      2-1 (lost 11-10 to Penn)
Brown, Harvard 1-1
Penn, Yale     1-2
Dartmouth,     0-2
Columbia       DNP

If Cornell and Princeton go unbeaten in other league games, the winner of the Cornell-Princeton game (4/27, 4 pm, Meadowlands) hosts the Ivy tournament because of the H2H game. Princeton's remaining league games are at Dartmouth and hosting Harvard.

Harvard just tied it up at 7 shortly before the end of the 4th quarter. We should root for Harvard for several reasons:

1) A win will make our boys take them seriously.
2) Maybe Harvard will be overconfident. (Doubt it.)
3) If they win, our RPI will be higher if we beat them.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: dag14 on March 30, 2013, 08:53:14 PM
Harvard leading Duke 10-9 with 6:25 remaining in the 4th.

Edit:  tied.  Can't depend on Harvard to hold a 2 goal lead against Duke
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax
Post by: David Harding on March 30, 2013, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: dag14Harvard leading Duke 10-9 with 6:25 remaining in the 4th.

Edit:  tied.  Can't depend on Harvard to hold a 2 goal lead against Duke
Duke 12-11 final
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: billhoward on March 31, 2013, 12:03:14 AM
Tiebreakers affect not just who gets to host but also how the field is seeded and who gets left out if there's a tie for the last spot(s). Tiebreakers affect who hosts and who's seeded higher.

Last year with two games to play, Brown had the possibility of going 3-3 and not getting in, or 2-4 and getting in.

This via laxpower is supposed to be the Ivy rules. (I didn't see the Ivy link.)

Quote from: Ivy Lax tournament tiebreaker rules1. In the case of two-way ties between teams in the final standings, the higher seed will be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

2. In the case of a multiple ties (more than two teams with the same record), the following procedure will be used:

a. The highest seed will go to the team with the best cumulative records against all other teams tied at that spot.

b. Once a highest seed team (among the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining two teams will be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken.

3. In the case of a multiple tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot:

a. The higher seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie.

b. Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken.

4. If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against in the games between the tied teams; team with the greatest goal differential gets higher seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

5. If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against the highest seeded team(s) outside of the tied teams. The team with the greatest goal differential against the highest seeded team outside of the tie gets higher seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

6. If a tie still persists, the tie will be broken by a random draw conducted by the Executive Director.

7. If this occurs in determining the tournament's #1 seed, the team first drawn in the random draw selects:

a. To host the tournament and occupy the #3 seed, or:

b. To claim the #1 seed. If drawn teams elects the #1 seed, hosting privileges go to the #2 seed.

8. The first team drawn must select from the above options before the tie between the remaining two teams is broken.

9. The highest remaining seed will go the second team drawn in the random draw, continuing with remaining team(s) given the next highest seed remaining.

10. If any seeds need to be determined by a draw it shall be conducted at 10 AM by the Ivy Office on the Monday prior to the tournament. Institutions are welcome to participate in person or by telephone.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: David Harding on March 31, 2013, 12:20:53 PM
So, if you're thinking about point differentials, there is no need to run the score up beyond a six-goal edge (plus a modest safety factor).
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: billhoward on March 31, 2013, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: David HardingSo, if you're thinking about point differentials, there is no need to run the score up beyond a six-goal edge (plus a modest safety factor).
Speaking theoretically, other than games played in Cambridge next weekend.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: Johnny 5 on April 01, 2013, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: David HardingSo, if you're thinking about point differentials, there is no need to run the score up beyond a six-goal edge (plus a modest safety factor).
Speaking theoretically, other than games played in Cambridge next weekend.

Or on 4/10, 6PM, ESPNU against the "team that shall not be mentioned".

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t147/Coelacanth64/LordVoldemortSULax-1.jpg

::moon::
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: RichH on April 01, 2013, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: David HardingSo, if you're thinking about point differentials, there is no need to run the score up beyond a six-goal edge (plus a modest safety factor).
Speaking theoretically, other than games played in Cambridge Allston next weekend.

We haven't had a good FYP in a while.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: Towerroad on April 01, 2013, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: David HardingSo, if you're thinking about point differentials, there is no need to run the score up beyond a six-goal edge (plus a modest safety factor).
Speaking theoretically, other than games played in Cambridge next weekend.
Beat them with sticks I say!
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: kingpin248 on April 01, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
New polls out; Cornell back up to no. 2 in both, behind Maryland.

Media (http://insidelacrosse.com/rankpoll/d1media/2013-04-01) gives the Big Red 3 of 23 first-place votes (the remainder going to Maryland).
Coaches (http://insidelacrosse.com/rankpoll/d1usila/2013-04-01) give the Big Red 3 of 9 first-place votes (five to Maryland, one to North Carolina).

Also from Inside Lacrosse: an article about changing the schedule (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/03/31/swezey-basketball-model-or-football-model), including extensive commentary from Richie Moran.
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 02, 2013, 07:42:29 AM
Damn.  They finially show somebody on TV other than Hopkins or Carolina and I'm in China.  ::cuss::
Title: Re: Cornell-Dartmouth Lax - tournament seeding rules
Post by: Al DeFlorio on April 02, 2013, 09:03:43 AM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Damn.  They finially show somebody on TV other than Hopkins or Carolina and I'm in China.  ::cuss::
You should go to China more often.::nut::