The best Printable Bracket, from NCAA.com via CHN. (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/conf/bracketdata/2013.pdf)
From ESPN:
Here's the seeding:
Regional Breakdown
East Regional (Providence, R.I.)
1. Quinnipiac (27-7-5) -- at-large selection (No. 1 overall seed)
2. Boston College (22-11-4) -- at-large selection
3. Union (21-12-5) -- ECAC champion
4. Canisius (19-18-5) -- Atlantic Hockey champion
Midwest Regional (Toledo, Ohio)
1. Notre Dame (25-12-3) -- CCHA champion (No. 4 overall seed)
2. Miami (24-11-5) -- at-large selection
3. Minnesota State (24-13-3) -- at-large selection
4. St. Cloud State (23-15-1) -- at-large selection
Northeast Regional (Manchester, N.H.)
1. UMass-Lowell (26-10-2) -- Hockey East champion (No. 3 overall seed)
2. New Hampshire (19-11-7) -- at-large selection
3. Denver (20-13-5) -- at-large selection
4. Wisconsin (22-12-7) -- WCHA champion
West Regional (Grand Rapids, Mich.)
1. Minnesota (26-8-5) -- at-large selection (No. 2 overall seed)
2. North Dakota (21-12-7) -- at-large selection
3. Niagara (23-9-5) -- at-large selection
4. Yale (18-12-3) -- at-large selection
And the TV schedule:
All times are ET
First round
Friday, March 29
W1 Minnesota vs. W4 Yale, 2 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
NE1 UMass-Lowell vs. NE4 Wisconsin, 4:30 p.m. ET(ESPN3/Syndicated)
W2 North Dakota vs. W3 Niagara, 5:30 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
NE 2 New Hampshire vs. NE3 Denver, 8 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
Saturday, March 30
MW1 Notre Dame vs. MW4 St. Cloud State, 1:30 p.m. ET (ESPN3/Syndicated)
MW2 Miami vs. MW3 Minnesota State, 5 p.m. ET ((ESPN3/Syndicated)
E1 Quinnipiac vs. E4 Canisius, 5:30 p.m. ET (ESPN3/Syndicated)
E2 Boston College vs. E3 Union, 9 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
Second round
Saturday, March 30
West Regional Final, 4 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
Northeast Regional Final, 6:30 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
Sunday, March 31
Midwest Regional Final, 4 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
East Regional Final, 6:30 p.m. ET (ESPNU)
Semifinals (Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Thursday, April 11
National Semifinal, 4:30 p.m. ET (ESPN2)
National Semifinal, 8 p.m. ET (ESPN2)
Final (Pittsburgh, Pa.)
Saturday, April 13
National Semifinal winners, 7 p.m. ET (ESPN)
Any bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Quote from: BMacAny bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Any bracket without Michigan is good for me.
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: BMacAny bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Any bracket without Michigan is good for me.
No Maine or BU, either (http://www.tbrw.info/ncaa_History/ncaa_Seeds_by_Team.html). It's like Christmas in March.
The last time both Michigan and Michigan State missed the tournament, Willie Stargell was still playing.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: BMacAny bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Any bracket without Michigan is good for me.
No Maine or BU, either (http://www.tbrw.info/ncaa_History/ncaa_Seeds_by_Team.html). It's like Christmas in March.
The last time both Michigan and Michigan State missed the tournament, Willie Stargell was still playing.
If the Gophers can get exterminated in Grand Rapids, that would make me happy.
Quote from: RitaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: BMacAny bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Any bracket without Michigan is good for me.
No Maine or BU, either (http://www.tbrw.info/ncaa_History/ncaa_Seeds_by_Team.html). It's like Christmas in March.
The last time both Michigan and Michigan State missed the tournament, Willie Stargell was still playing.
If the Gophers can get exterminated in Grand Rapids, that would make me happy.
In the afterlife, Minnesota and BC will be forced to play infinite overtimes with no stoppages in Meehan Auditorium in front of the Harvard fanbase. The game will be called by the SLU announcers and streamed on RedCast.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RitaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: BMacAny bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Any bracket without Michigan is good for me.
No Maine or BU, either (http://www.tbrw.info/ncaa_History/ncaa_Seeds_by_Team.html). It's like Christmas in March.
The last time both Michigan and Michigan State missed the tournament, Willie Stargell was still playing.
If the Gophers can get exterminated in Grand Rapids, that would make me happy.
In the afterlife, Minnesota and BC will be forced to play infinite overtimes with no stoppages in Meehan Auditorium in front of the Harvard fanbase. The game will be called by the SLU announcers and streamed on RedCast.
Fits my definition of hell. Hope I'm not watching this for eternity.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: RitaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Josh '99Quote from: BMacAny bracket where Wisconsin has to fly east is good for me.
-Still bitter from 2006
Any bracket without Michigan is good for me.
No Maine or BU, either (http://www.tbrw.info/ncaa_History/ncaa_Seeds_by_Team.html). It's like Christmas in March.
The last time both Michigan and Michigan State missed the tournament, Willie Stargell was still playing.
If the Gophers can get exterminated in Grand Rapids, that would make me happy.
In the afterlife, Minnesota and BC will be forced to play infinite overtimes with no stoppages in Meehan Auditorium in front of the Harvard fanbase. The game will be called by the SLU announcers and streamed on RedCast.
Q: Who are the refs?
A: All of them.
MUUUURPHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: BMacMUUUURPHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pierre is in there somewhere. Wearing Kupka's truss.
So you guys keep on talking about all the teams you hate, I'll complain about more important things, such as poor writing, or understanding.
From Times-Union story on Union, (http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Union-to-face-champions-4380953.php) and a little on RPI:
QuoteUnion is one of three ECAC teams to make the field, but RPI was not among them. The Engineers, despite a second-place regular-season finish, did not finish high enough in the PairWise Rankings, a computer formula that determines the 11 at-large bids.
Read more: http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Union-to-face-champions-4380953.php#ixzz2OaZr7ps4
So what formula did the computer come up wth this week to knock dear old RPI out of the NCAAs? Maybe next year the computer can come up with a new formula. We'll see what that one does to RPI. Give me a break, who is that writer?
By the way, the second headline for the article is, "Boston College up next for Dutchmen; RPI is denied an at-large bid". Yeah, just like everyone else.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BMacMUUUURPHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pierre is in there somewhere. Wearing Kupka's truss.
And Mike Noeth
operating the video review equipment ensuring the video review equipment is inoperable.
Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BMacMUUUURPHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pierre is in there somewhere. Wearing Kupka's truss.
And Mike Noeth operating the video review equipment ensuring the video review equipment is inoperable.
Holy shit, I had completely forgotten Noeth. That's like forgetting Satan.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: kingpin248Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: BMacMUUUURPHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pierre is in there somewhere. Wearing Kupka's truss.
And Mike Noeth operating the video review equipment ensuring the video review equipment is inoperable.
Holy shit, I had completely forgotten Noeth. That's like forgetting Satan.
Was his last game that awful Cornell-Colgate consy in Placid in 2000, or does my memry fail me?
Oh, I'd call this (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/18/sports/ncaabasketball/nate-bracket.html?_r=0) a sweet, sweet challenge either to John or somebody of similar skill.
Quote from: TrotskyOh, I'd call this (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/18/sports/ncaabasketball/nate-bracket.html?_r=0) a sweet, sweet challenge either to John or somebody of similar skill.
Doesn't have quite the visual flair, but here are the Bradley-Terry based probabilities for the Sweet 16 (http://mattcarberry.com/2013sweet16.jpg).
And since I have the spreadsheet set up to handle a 16-team bracket, here are the probabilities for the NCAA hockey tournament (http://mattcarberry.com/2013NCAAhockey.jpg).
Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: TrotskyOh, I'd call this (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/18/sports/ncaabasketball/nate-bracket.html?_r=0) a sweet, sweet challenge either to John or somebody of similar skill.
Doesn't have quite the visual flair, but here are the Bradley-Terry based probabilities for the Sweet 16 (http://mattcarberry.com/2013sweet16.jpg).
And since I have the spreadsheet set up to handle a 16-team bracket, here are the probabilities for the NCAA hockey tournament (http://mattcarberry.com/2013NCAAhockey.jpg).
Thanks! One of the things that jumps out is how low FGCU's chances are. I wonder, is this because of the stiff competition a #15 must face, or is it because of the #15's suckatude? Has anyone tried to decompose the index?
Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: TrotskyOh, I'd call this (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/18/sports/ncaabasketball/nate-bracket.html?_r=0) a sweet, sweet challenge either to John or somebody of similar skill.
Doesn't have quite the visual flair, but here are the Bradley-Terry based probabilities for the Sweet 16 (http://mattcarberry.com/2013sweet16.jpg).
And since I have the spreadsheet set up to handle a 16-team bracket, here are the probabilities for the NCAA hockey tournament (http://mattcarberry.com/2013NCAAhockey.jpg).
No offense, but you're wasting your time. It doesn't matter what the probabilities say, fucking BC is going to win again. It's inevitable.
(http://www.cumberlandspaceman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/kim_jong_il_team_america_world_police.jpg)
INEBITABERR!
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: TrotskyOh, I'd call this (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/18/sports/ncaabasketball/nate-bracket.html?_r=0) a sweet, sweet challenge either to John or somebody of similar skill.
Doesn't have quite the visual flair, but here are the Bradley-Terry based probabilities for the Sweet 16 (http://mattcarberry.com/2013sweet16.jpg).
And since I have the spreadsheet set up to handle a 16-team bracket, here are the probabilities for the NCAA hockey tournament (http://mattcarberry.com/2013NCAAhockey.jpg).
No offense, but you're wasting your time. It doesn't matter what the probabilities say, fucking BC is going to win again. It's inevitable.
(http://www.cumberlandspaceman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/kim_jong_il_team_america_world_police.jpg)
INEBITABERR!
The thought of BC winning again makes me sad, like when I'm so ronery and sadry arone.
Quote from: kingpin248And since I have the spreadsheet set up to handle a 16-team bracket, here are the probabilities for the NCAA hockey tournament (http://mattcarberry.com/2013NCAAhockey.jpg).
I think something is wrong with your numbers. You're showing that teams from outside the WCHA have a chance and based on comments on USCHO that simply isn't possible. :-)
Wasnt that the pidgin-Asian phrasing that got the Duke frat in trouble at its Taste of Bangkok theme party?
Here is the ESPNU game link (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/833421/yale-vs-minnesota-west-regional-semifinal-1) for 2pm Yale-Wisconsin.
Records of current ECAC members (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ecac_NCAA_Records_by_Team.htm) in the tournament (if you can bear it).
Quote from: TrotskyHere is the ESPNU game link (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/833421/yale-vs-minnesota-west-regional-semifinal-1) for 2pm Yale-Wisconsin.
Records of current ECAC members (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ecac_NCAA_Records_by_Team.htm) in the tournament (if you can bear it).
Supposedly wybc (http://wybc.com/) has the audio feed, but the website and my computer's version of IE aren't playing nice and Safari loaded up quicktime.
Go BullDogs! Go Yale!!
For those who were at the 2009 Grand Rapid regional, what was the name of that bar where we drowned our sorrows after that BSU game? Just curious. I remember the carbombs, and have since found (and made) cake verisons of carbombs.
Rita, can you not get the ESPNU feed? It's working great here.
Except Van Andel blasts garbage pop 1/10th of a second into every stoppage. We should just start killing MBAs until they stop.
Least Semitic version of "Hava Nagila" that I have ever heard.
Quote from: TrotskyRita, can you not get the ESPNU feed? It's working great here.
Except Van Andel blasts garbage pop 1/10th of a second into every stoppage. We should just start killing MBAs until they stop.
I'm at work, so wanted more of the description that audio provides over the video announcers.
Quote from: RitaQuote from: TrotskyRita, can you not get the ESPNU feed? It's working great here.
Except Van Andel blasts garbage pop 1/10th of a second into every stoppage. We should just start killing MBAs until they stop.
I'm at work, so wanted more of the description that audio provides over the video announcers.
Makes sense, though the PBP guy is not bad. The sidebar stuff sucks, but it always does.
Pretty goal by Agostino fed by Miller, 1-0.
Quote from: TrotskyHere is the ESPNU game link (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/833421/yale-vs-minnesota-west-regional-semifinal-1) for 2pm Yale-Wisconsin.
Records of current ECAC members (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ecac_NCAA_Records_by_Team.htm) in the tournament (if you can bear it).
Yale 1 Gophers 0 mid 2nd
Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
Quote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
And given they aren't Harvard they might actually hold the lead.
The Minny player interviewed between periods looked dazed. I'm not sure the WCHA expected this kind of a fight from the EZAC.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
And given they aren't Harvard they might actually hold the lead.
The Minny player interviewed between periods looked dazed. I'm not sure the WCHA expected this kind of a fight from the EZAC.
They have the look of a team that prepared to play North Dakota tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpVa3a2fhQ&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
Already two more goals in Grand Rapids than they scored in AC.
Quote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
2-1 with about 9:00 to go
Quote from: nyc94Quote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
2-1 with about 9:00 to go
Tied up. 6 and change left. Yale had looked tentative for a few minutes.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
And given they aren't Harvard they might actually hold the lead.
Well, at least you said "might".
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: nyc94Quote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
2-1 with about 9:00 to go
Tied up. 6 and change left. Yale had looked tentative for a few minutes.
Going to OT.
Wow.
Yale wins at :06
Same thing Holy Cross did in '06.
holy shit!!1 Yale wins!!!!!::banana::
Minnesota's Pride on the Links!
Gotta love it!! Just 6 seconds into OT! Great job Yale.
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!
We're on chat, if you like.
Nicely done, Yale.
Overtime goal by Jesse Root - 9 seconds into OT !
I was just realizing (though I guess I probably should have days ago) that this year's tournament is not only lacking in many of the usual suspects (Michigan, BU, Maine, Michigan State), but it's also pretty heavily loaded with teams that have never won the tournament before (which I will generally find myself rooting for unless it's Clarkson). Today's regional semis each matched a previous champion (in fact, a previous multiple-time champion) against a team that's never won the tournament before, with Minnesota already out, and tomorrow's regional semifinals actually feature seven teams that have never won the tournament before and just one that has. So, go Lowell, go Niagara, go UNH, and go (yuck) Union! Then this year's Frozen Four will really be a novel experience.
Quote from: Josh '99So, go Lowell, go Niagara, go UNH, and go (yuck) Union! Then this year's Frozen Four will really be a novel experience.
Nope, nope, nope.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Josh '99So, go Lowell, go Niagara, go UNH, and go (yuck) Union! Then this year's Frozen Four will really be a novel experience.
Nope, nope, nope.
I will allow that, of the five tournament entrants that are previous champions, Denver are probably tied with Wisconsin as the least intolerable. Still, I think my grudge against UNH has faded to the point where I will root for them at least in the regional semifinal in support of the goal I mentioned in my previous post. (I would root for Lowell over them at that point, if that were to be the matchup in the regional final.) It's not like they were particularly goonish in beating us in prior tournaments, and it was the ref who disallowed that goal in 2003, not the UNH players or coach; their fans also aren't particularly intolerable, no doubt
because of the tournament futility that led to this discussion in the first place.
Wisco was the WCHA member who wasn't a pox, and next year they'll be the Big 10 member who isn't a pox. I really like that program and its fans.
Quote from: TrotskyWisco was the WCHA member who wasn't a pox, and next year they'll be the Big 10 member who isn't a pox. I really like that program and its fans.
I agree. Their fans were respoectful and complimentary after that amazing regional in Green Bay. The goofers at Mariucci? Not so much.
And I have no hard feelings against UNH, other than the fact that they get what's essentially a home game at the regionals every couple years.
UMass-Lowell 6 vs Wisc. 1 - great game for UMass!
Quote from: RitaFor those who were at the 2009 Grand Rapid regional, what was the name of that bar where we drowned our sorrows after that BSU game? Just curious. I remember the carbombs, and have since found (and made) cake verisons of carbombs.
I didn't do the Sunday postgame, as I decided that rather than drown my sorrows, I'd go to sleep, get up at 4 and get to work on time. However, the Saturday postgame and the Sunday pregame were at the Ottawa Tavern.
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Quote from: TrotskyWisco was the WCHA member who wasn't a pox, and next year they'll be the Big 10 member who isn't a pox. I really like that program and its fans.
I agree. Their fans were respoectful and complimentary after that amazing regional in Green Bay. The goofers at Mariucci? Not so much.
And I have no hard feelings against UNH, other than the fact that they get what's essentially a home game at the regionals every couple years.
And it seems to be the same for all of their sports. At the Rose Bowl this year their fans were nice and just seemed happy to be there, and didn't feel the need to be jerks. (Yes this is just a cheap ploy to bring up Stanford winning the Rose Bowl.)
Quote from: profudgeUMass-Lowell 6 vs Wisc. 1 - great game for UMass!
I don't read a lot of non-eLF coverage, but ... nobody calls Lowell "UMass", right? I mean, there's a UMass and they play in Amherst.
Quote from: Chris '03Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Chris '03Yale has forgotten about last week. Don't tell Ken Schott. It's 2-0 Eli.
And given they aren't Harvard they might actually hold the lead.
The Minny player interviewed between periods looked dazed. I'm not sure the WCHA expected this kind of a fight from the EZAC.
They have the look of a team that prepared to play North Dakota tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpVa3a2fhQ&feature=player_embedded
+1
Quote from: profudgeOvertime goal by Jesse Root - 9 seconds into OT !
I just quoting profudge here because it's the last of a series congratulating Yale and expressing shear joy at (a) an ECAC/Ivy team winning and (b) the Goofers going home. (I expect the latter carries more weight, although there's a obvious interaction effect.)
Did it occur to any of you that there's probably more jubilation here than on Yale's board on USCHO? Since the win, there have been quite a few posts. But it seems the vast majority of them have come from fans of other teams congratulating the bulldogs.
Maybe all the Yale fans are still at the games. Even if you live in California, it's not that hard to attend the regional semi's when you have a private jet.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: profudgeUMass-Lowell 6 vs Wisc. 1 - great game for UMass!
I don't read a lot of non-eLF coverage, but ... nobody calls Lowell "UMass", right? I mean, there's a UMass and they play in Amherst.
Agree
Quote from: Josh '99I was just realizing (though I guess I probably should have days ago) that this year's tournament is not only lacking in many of the usual suspects (Michigan, BU, Maine, Michigan State), but it's also pretty heavily loaded with teams that have never won the tournament before (which I will generally find myself rooting for unless it's Clarkson). Today's regional semis each matched a previous champion (in fact, a previous multiple-time champion) against a team that's never won the tournament before, with Minnesota already out, and tomorrow's regional semifinals actually feature seven teams that have never won the tournament before and just one that has. So, go Lowell, go Niagara, go UNH, and go (yuck) Union! Then this year's Frozen Four will really be a novel experience.
At this rate, I'm just very happy for someone that is NOT BC to win it all this year. Although, it will hurt if it's one of the ECAC teams. But I really don't want to sit through another BC victory. I've seen too many in person as it is.
WZHA: UNH 5 – DU 2
Quote from: judyQuote from: Josh '99I was just realizing (though I guess I probably should have days ago) that this year's tournament is not only lacking in many of the usual suspects (Michigan, BU, Maine, Michigan State), but it's also pretty heavily loaded with teams that have never won the tournament before (which I will generally find myself rooting for unless it's Clarkson). Today's regional semis each matched a previous champion (in fact, a previous multiple-time champion) against a team that's never won the tournament before, with Minnesota already out, and tomorrow's regional semifinals actually feature seven teams that have never won the tournament before and just one that has. So, go Lowell, go Niagara, go UNH, and go (yuck) Union! Then this year's Frozen Four will really be a novel experience.
At this rate, I'm just very happy for someone that is NOT BC to win it all this year. Although, it will hurt if it's one of the ECAC teams. But I really don't want to sit through another BC victory. I've seen too many in person as it is.
Don't bother. They're going to win. It's inevitable.
Sorry - thought it was obvious I was referring to UMass-Lowell in the previous score ::innocent::
Yale game winner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rkajdc4LjeA
Edit: if someone knows how to get it to show up directly here, feel free to edit this and I'll put something else here, maybe an essay about Gloria Steinem.
If you're in the New Haven area, the Yalies are showing today's game on a large screen in Payne-Whitney Gymnasium.
Quote from: ugarteYale game winner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rkajdc4LjeA
Edit: if someone knows how to get it to show up directly here, feel free to edit this and I'll put something else here, maybe an essay about Gloria Steinem.
Textbook. Yale knows exactly how to deal with teams that take the puck behind their own net to regroup for a rush. Cornell has been giving them loads of practice on how to jump down the throats of a line not expecting an aggressive forecheck in that situation for several years. I've seen that steal behind the net by them a lot. Steal, pop it in front, goal, Golfing Gophers.
"How was overtime?"
"Well, we won the faceoff and the game was over in 9 seconds."
"AWESOME!"
"..."
Does anyone here know why they are serving the BC Eagles on Onion at nine PM? BC was expected to be in Manchester so it can't be for TV.
If I were a Union fan I'd be pissed to have to drive back to Schenectady on Easter morning. I guess renting a room would be the best option assuming a Union win.
With Union's history as a predictor, the game could end at three AM with a third OT goal by the visiting team.
TW in the Albany area has ND vs. St. Cloud listed on ch 1. It isn't there and I am blacked out of the ESPN3 version.
I called TW and the woman said there was more than one call. Imagine that Notre Dame is missing and their fans are making their displeasure known.
The situation is also lame because channel 1 isn't HD while ESPN3 is,
SCSU up 1-0, start of second.
Quote from: ugarteSCSU up 1-0, start of second.
4-0 end 2nd
Now the Miami game is blackout restricted. So ESPN thinks I'm too dopey to watch two games at once. And since the game isn't on ESPN3 the reason they won't let me watch is erroneous.
I don't understand why but the blackout was lifted for me. (Just as it was earlier for the ND St. Cloud game.)
The Yale/North Dakota game is on ESPNU (Directv 208)
The Minn State/Miami game is on FSN (Directv 668) and is not blacked out for Directv
Quote from: judyThe Yale/North Dakota game is on ESPNU (Directv 208)
The Minn State/Miami game is on FSN (Directv 668) and is not blacked out for Directv
Yale trails 1-0 start of 3rd
Quote from: nyc94Quote from: judyThe Yale/North Dakota game is on ESPNU (Directv 208)
The Minn State/Miami game is on FSN (Directv 668) and is not blacked out for Directv
Yale trails 1-0 start of 3rd
Yale's outplaying them but is snakebit.
Canisius/Q on NESN (Directv 628) - Q leading 1-0, almost end of 1
Well St Cloud wins an NCAA game. The world I grew up in is no more.
Quote from: TrotskyYale's outplaying them but is snakebit.
To be fair, with the three resonant posts (commentator says four, but I think it's three), NoDak has also been a bit snakebit.
BTW, interesting to see refs actually call interference when Allain had them run "the Play."
Yake ties it up. 7:35 left in the 3rd
Yale ties!
And I'm torn! It'd be nice to have the last WCHA team kicked out and at the same time, Yale goes to Pittsburgh.
Quote from: judyYale ties!
And I'm torn! It'd be nice to have the last WCHA team kicked out and at the same time, Yale goes to Pittsburgh.
Ummm... St. Cloud? Not NCHC yet!
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: judyYale ties!
And I'm torn! It'd be nice to have the last WCHA team kicked out and at the same time, Yale goes to Pittsburgh.
Ummm... St. Cloud? Not NCHC yet!
I can live with St. Cloud. Sioux fans are too arrogant.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: judyYale ties!
And I'm torn! It'd be nice to have the last WCHA team kicked out and at the same time, Yale goes to Pittsburgh.
Ummm... St. Cloud? Not NCHC yet!
Okay. I'll take St Cloud.
And holy crap, Yale! Up 2-1 now!
Quote from: judyOkay. I'll take St Cloud.
And holy crap, Yale! Up 2-1 now!
Considering how Hartzell is playing, perhaps Yale's got to get it done...
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: judyOkay. I'll take St Cloud.
And holy crap, Yale! Up 2-1 now!
Considering how Hartzell is playing, perhaps Yale's got to get it done...
The #1 seed curse. We learned it the hard way ::cuss::
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: judyOkay. I'll take St Cloud.
And holy crap, Yale! Up 2-1 now!
Considering how Hartzell is playing, perhaps Yale's got to get it done...
Long way to go in the Q game.
Edit: although that first Canisius goal was a howler.
I remember all the talk on this board a couple years ago about how well Yale's system would hold up on a national level, but seems to me regardless of the result today, that they have been skating evenly with both NoDak and Minnesota yesterday. Certainly no major shot disparities like some of the Cornell games against those teams.
Sweet third goal by Yale. Beautiful play.
4-1 Yale on an eng. 2 years in a row with an ECAC F4 team.
Quote from: underskillI remember all the talk on this board a couple years ago about how well Yale's system would hold up on a national level, but seems to me regardless of the result today, that they have been skating evenly with both NoDak and Minnesota yesterday. Certainly no major shot disparities like some of the Cornell games against those teams.
This is their payback for 2011, when I thought they got jobbed a bit.
We'll see how well their system holds up next year with potentially shaky goaltending.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: underskillI remember all the talk on this board a couple years ago about how well Yale's system would hold up on a national level, but seems to me regardless of the result today, that they have been skating evenly with both NoDak and Minnesota yesterday. Certainly no major shot disparities like some of the Cornell games against those teams.
This is their payback for 2011, when I thought they got jobbed a bit.
We'll see how well their system holds up next year with potentially shaky goaltending.
And without Miller.
They've lost a number of great players over the last few years.
Alright, I'll say it: Frozen Four appearances in back-to-back years for the ECAC, including one Ivy team. Perhaps we should re-consider the effects of ECAC and Ivy rules on ECAC teams' ability to compete at the national level...
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: underskillI remember all the talk on this board a couple years ago about how well Yale's system would hold up on a national level, but seems to me regardless of the result today, that they have been skating evenly with both NoDak and Minnesota yesterday. Certainly no major shot disparities like some of the Cornell games against those teams.
This is their payback for 2011, when I thought they got jobbed a bit.
We'll see how well their system holds up next year with potentially shaky goaltending.
And without Miller.
They've lost a number of great players over the last few years.
Here's who they lose.
8 Josh Balch F Sr. 5-9 180 Wilmette, IL / Desmoines, Chicago (USHL)
21 Colin Dueck D Sr. 6-2 220 Calgary, AB / Nanaimo (BCHL)
28 A. Laganiere F Sr. 6-4 215 Ile Cadieux, QUE / Deerfield Academy
33 Jeff Malcolm G Sr. 6-2 185 Lethbridge, AB / Quesnel (BCHL)
31 Nick Maricic G Sr. 6-2 212 Alta Loma, CA / Tri-City (USHL)
17 Andrew Miller F Sr. 5-10 180 Bloomfield Hills, MI / Chicago (USHL)
Certainly Miller, but Malcolm has to be the toughest to replace. Anybody know about any goalie recruits that they are getting?
However this is the team that I waiting to see how they regroup. Q
7 Ben Arnt FORWARD Sr. 5-11 181 Oakdale, Minn. / Omaha (USHL)
4 Loren Barron DEFENSEMAN Sr. 6-1 195 Glendora, Calif. / Indiana (USHL)
9 Kevin Bui FORWARD Sr. 5-11 175 Edmonton, Alb. / Drumheller (AJHL)
23 Zack Currie DEFENSEMAN Sr. 5-11 185 Victoria, British Columbia / Cowichan Valley (BCHL)
2 Mike Dalhuisen DEFENSEMAN Sr. 6-3 215 Nymegen, Holland / Lincoln (USHL)
3 Zach Davies DEFENSEMAN Sr. 6-0 170 Smithers, British Columbia / Prince George (BCHL)
11 Russell Goodman FORWARD Sr. 6-1 193 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan / Nanaimo (BCHL)
33 Eric Hartzell GOALTENDER Sr. 6-4 188 White Bear Lake, Minn. / Sioux Falls (USHL)
39 Clay Harvey FORWARD Sr. 5-9 180 Gull Lake, Saskatewan / Powell River (BCHL)
17 Jeremy Langlois FORWARD Sr. 6-0 173 Tempe, Ariz. / New Jersey (EJHL)
14 Reese Rolheiser FORWARD Sr. 5-10 170 Edmonton, Alberta / Sherwood Park (AJHL)
Whereas, while we're on this line of inquiry, RPI loses practically nobody. Casey continues to rebuild at Clarkson. Perhaps Harvard finally fires Teddy?
I have to think that next year is the year that the traditional powers of the ECAC (RPI, SLU, Clarkson, Harvard, and, well, us) reassert themselves.
Perhaps it's time for Q to go with the empty net, a la Parker.
Not sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
The more accurate statement would be that Yale is better than
Harvard right now, i.e., that they've replaced Harvard as the second-best Ivy.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
6 years IS a long time in college sports. That said, I disagree with his conclusion.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
This time I have to agree with BearLover's saying extended period of time. To me having done it over a number of graduating classes qualifies. That's why I was never a Q fan, they built up to one great class, now, but haven't shown any consistency. Next year they could fall to near the bottom. Yale and probably Union have shown that they are for real.
Quote from: Jim HylaHere's who Yale loses
8 Josh Balch F Sr. 5-9 180 Wilmette, IL / Desmoines, Chicago (USHL)
21 Colin Dueck D Sr. 6-2 220 Calgary, AB / Nanaimo (BCHL)
28 A. Laganiere F Sr. 6-4 215 Ile Cadieux, QUE / Deerfield Academy
33 Jeff Malcolm G Sr. 6-2 185 Lethbridge, AB / Quesnel (BCHL)
31 Nick Maricic G Sr. 6-2 212 Alta Loma, CA / Tri-City (USHL)
17 Andrew Miller F Sr. 5-10 180 Bloomfield Hills, MI / Chicago (USHL)
I could also see Calgary asking Agostino to leave.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
6 years IS a long time in college sports. That said, I disagree with his conclusion.
Given that the Taylor legacy is now well and truly dead at Yale, I will say that Allain does seem to be for real and, thus, Yale will be until he leaves or proves himself unworthy. But I'd still like to see how they respond to a down period.
Canisius and Q are now tied 3-3. 3rd. 8:30 min to go as I post
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: underskillI remember all the talk on this board a couple years ago about how well Yale's system would hold up on a national level, but seems to me regardless of the result today, that they have been skating evenly with both NoDak and Minnesota yesterday. Certainly no major shot disparities like some of the Cornell games against those teams.
This is their payback for 2011, when I thought they got jobbed a bit.
We'll see how well their system holds up next year with potentially shaky goaltending.
And without Miller.
They've lost a number of great players over the last few years.
Here's who they lose.
8 Josh Balch F Sr. 5-9 180 Wilmette, IL / Desmoines, Chicago (USHL)
21 Colin Dueck D Sr. 6-2 220 Calgary, AB / Nanaimo (BCHL)
28 A. Laganiere F Sr. 6-4 215 Ile Cadieux, QUE / Deerfield Academy
33 Jeff Malcolm G Sr. 6-2 185 Lethbridge, AB / Quesnel (BCHL)
31 Nick Maricic G Sr. 6-2 212 Alta Loma, CA / Tri-City (USHL)
17 Andrew Miller F Sr. 5-10 180 Bloomfield Hills, MI / Chicago (USHL)
Certainly Miller, but Malcolm has to be the toughest to replace.
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I meant the combined effect of the last 4 classes. I did a post on it a while ago, I don't remember the thread, but IIRC they've lost 6 guys > 100 pts with several > 150.
Q up 4-3. Q fans on their feet and slapping their thundersticks in excitement.
Q up 4-3 with 8 seconds to go.
Jesus, Canisius had a textbook chance with 1 second to go but Hartzell saves it and Q wins.
Quote from: TrotskyQ up 4-3 with 8 seconds to go.[/quote
And now they're done.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
The more accurate statement would be that Yale is better than Harvard right now, i.e., that they've replaced Harvard as the second-best Ivy.
Nope, they replaced Cornell as the best Ivy. Six years is forever in sports, and more than enough to show their success is more than one great player or a lucky recruiting class. Love the talking down to on these forums, though. It seems like I've been accused of being a troll or an idiot quite a few times in the past few days when it's been obvious I haven't been trolling and I've supported my arguments perfectly well.
Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
Well, we're 1 game away from having two EZAC teams in the FF. That would be sort of cool.
Quote from: SwampyQuote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
Well, we're 1 game away from having two EZAC teams in the FF. That would be sort of cool.
Would be the first time since the Great Divorce (last instance pre-formation of Hockey East was 1983, with Harvard and Providence).
It's pretty lame that a band at the UNH-UML game played "Hey Baby." It's one thing when fans of other teams steal our cheers, but when they steal songs chosen because of their relations to our players, it just makes the other teams' bands look stupid. ::stupid::
Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
I agree with all of this except the bolded part.
Any link for live stream of the Union vs BC game ?
Quote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
The more accurate statement would be that Yale is better than Harvard right now, i.e., that they've replaced Harvard as the second-best Ivy.
Nope, they replaced Cornell as the best Ivy. Six years is forever in sports, and more than enough to show their success is more than one great player or a lucky recruiting class. Love the talking down to on these forums, though. It seems like I've been accused of being a troll or an idiot quite a few times in the past few days when it's been obvious I haven't been trolling and I've supported my arguments perfectly well.
Agree. Yale is the better program right now, no question, and the casual way people are tossing out the trolling accusation is silly and annoying in equal measure. Quite apart from the results, I much prefer Allain's brand of hockey to Schafer's, but I've also thought Yale has been flat out the better team during recent years. And it's been impressive to watch Yale not merely beat Minnesota and NoDak but hang with them, stride for stride, check for check. I would argue Schafer has some built-in recruiting advantages vis-a-vis Allain (the storied tradition, Lynah, the Ag School, the alumni support), but they're not translating into supremacy on the ice.
Quote from: HockeyManQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
The more accurate statement would be that Yale is better than Harvard right now, i.e., that they've replaced Harvard as the second-best Ivy.
Nope, they replaced Cornell as the best Ivy. Six years is forever in sports, and more than enough to show their success is more than one great player or a lucky recruiting class. Love the talking down to on these forums, though. It seems like I've been accused of being a troll or an idiot quite a few times in the past few days when it's been obvious I haven't been trolling and I've supported my arguments perfectly well.
Agree. Yale is the better program right now, no question, and the casual way people are tossing out the trolling accusation is silly and annoying in equal measure. Quite apart from the results, I much prefer Allain's brand of hockey to Schafer's, but I've also thought Yale has been flat out the better team during recent years. And it's been impressive to watch Yale not merely beat Minnesota and NoDak but hang with them, stride for stride, check for check. I would argue Schafer has some built-in recruiting advantages vis-a-vis Allain (the storied tradition, Lynah, the Ag School, the alumni support), but they're not translating into supremacy on the ice.
I saw nothing "reasoned" about BearLover's assertion, made in the manner of an overheated schoolboy, that Yale's program is "better," whatever that means, than ours is right now. Where is the support? Feel free to be pedantic.
I'll help you. Use Allain's tenure, since you love him so. We're 4-10-2 vs. them, with two very high profile losses. They've won 2 ECAC championships; we've won one. They've "won" two #1 seeds; we've won none. (But then, the RS "championship" is worth a warm bucket of piss.)
Have they had our number lately? Yes. Are they unbeatable, no. Just show some perspective. For my part, I'm beginning to be... worried. Come back to me when we haven't beaten them in the regular season for 10 years or so. Come back to me when they've been in the final four multiple times, particularly if they win a championship. Come back to me in, well, three years or so. Then we'll have a discussion.
They've had the best of us, lately. So what? It probably won't last.
If Yale is worthy of emulation, we should recall in 2012 Yale was 16-16-3 overall and knocked out by Harvard in the QF.
Evidently one mediocre season does not signal the Eschaton.
Quote from: profudgeAny link for live stream of the Union vs BC game ?
ESPN3
Quote from: SwampyIt's pretty lame that a band at the UNH-UML game played "Hey Baby." It's one thing when fans of other teams steal our cheers, but when they steal songs chosen because of their relations to our players, it just makes the other teams' bands look stupid. ::stupid::
Interesting if true. Do most here believe that the song wasn't used by colleges before we started for Baby? I still sing the kill some one version whenever it's played.
I've heard it at NHL games and MLB games. Either we are very influential or it's a coincidence that we had the Baby cheer.
Union up 2-0 early in the second. ECAC!
Union now 3-0.
If the ECAC is responsible for killing off Minnesota, North Dakota, and BC, the entire Free World, let alone the hockey world, owes the conference a beer.
Quote from: Barry MelroseIt's a brain-crap by Milner.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: HockeyManQuote from: BearLoverQuote from: Scersk '97Quote from: BearLoverNonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
So... "extended period of time" = 6 years? Troll, or too young to understand time?
The more accurate statement would be that Yale is better than Harvard right now, i.e., that they've replaced Harvard as the second-best Ivy.
Nope, they replaced Cornell as the best Ivy. Six years is forever in sports, and more than enough to show their success is more than one great player or a lucky recruiting class. Love the talking down to on these forums, though. It seems like I've been accused of being a troll or an idiot quite a few times in the past few days when it's been obvious I haven't been trolling and I've supported my arguments perfectly well.
Agree. Yale is the better program right now, no question, and the casual way people are tossing out the trolling accusation is silly and annoying in equal measure. Quite apart from the results, I much prefer Allain's brand of hockey to Schafer's, but I've also thought Yale has been flat out the better team during recent years. And it's been impressive to watch Yale not merely beat Minnesota and NoDak but hang with them, stride for stride, check for check. I would argue Schafer has some built-in recruiting advantages vis-a-vis Allain (the storied tradition, Lynah, the Ag School, the alumni support), but they're not translating into supremacy on the ice.
I saw nothing "reasoned" about BearLover's assertion, made in the manner of an overheated schoolboy, that Yale's program is "better," whatever that means, than ours is right now. Where is the support? Feel free to be pedantic.
I'll help you. Use Allain's tenure, since you love him so. We're 4-10-2 vs. them, with two very high profile losses. They've won 2 ECAC championships; we've won one. They've "won" two #1 seeds; we've won none. (But then, the RS "championship" is worth a warm bucket of piss.)
Have they had our number lately? Yes. Are they unbeatable, no. Just show some perspective. For my part, I'm beginning to be... worried. Come back to me when we haven't beaten them in the regular season for 10 years or so. Come back to me when they've been in the final four multiple times, particularly if they win a championship. Come back to me in, well, three years or so. Then we'll have a discussion.
They've had the best of us, lately. So what? It probably won't last.
A tad defensive, aren't we? Who said anything about Yale being unbeatable? We've won now and then against them in recent years, and we'll continue to do so; what's that got to with the issue at hand? When you say you don't want to have a discussion until after we go 0 for 20 against them in the RS in the next decade, you sound like, well, an overheated schoolboy.
Quote from: HockeyManWhen you say you don't want to have a discussion until after we go 0 for 20 against them in the RS in the next decade, you sound like, well, an overheated schoolboy.
I think that was a reference to The Streak against Harvard from 1986-95, when we actually were 0-for-decade (0-17-3) (http://www.tbrw.info/index.html?/weekly_Updates/cornell_H2H_by_Team.html).
Schafer has followed that up by going 22-11-3 (http://www.tbrw.info/?/weekly_Updates/schafer_Opps_ECAC.html) in the RS againsat Harvard.
I think it is a little silly to say that Yale has bypassed us as a program already. It is NOT silly to say that they have been our equal or better over the course of the last 5-6 years - though these have hardly been lean times for Cornell - nor that they are a real threat to bypass us in the coming years.
On the other hand, Cornell is still pulling in blue-chip recruits, played very good hockey at the end of the season, were a goal away from the Final Four 12 months ago... so I hardly think it is time to push the panic button.
and meanwhile, Union is up 3-0 over BC almost halfway through the second period
Quote from: ugarteI think it is a little silly to say that Yale has bypassed us as a program already. It is NOT silly to say that they have been our equal or better over the course of the last 5-6 years - though these have hardly been lean times for Cornell - nor that they are a real threat to bypass us in the coming years.
A: Games over .500 in ECAC RS, 2008-2013:
+36 Yale
+33 Union
+26 Cornell
+12 Quinnipiac
+02 Princeton
all others at or under .500
B: Games over .500 in ECAC RS, 2002-2007:
+63 Cornell
+29 Harvard
+29 Dartmouth
+19 Colgate
all others at or under .500
C: Games over .500 in ECAC RS, 1996-2001:
+61 Clarkson
+31 St. Lawrence
+22 Cornell
+17 Colgate
+13 RPI
all others at or under .500
Appearance (1 yes, 0 no) in Tables C, B, A:
111 Cornell
011 Colgate
100 Clarkson
100 St. Lawrence
100 RPI
010 Harvard
010 Dartmouth
001 Yale
001 Union
001 Quinnipiac
001 Princeton
000 Brown
Quote from: Scersk '97I saw nothing "reasoned" about BearLover's assertion, made in the manner of an overheated schoolboy, that Yale's program is "better," whatever that means, than ours is right now. Where is the support? Feel free to be pedantic.
I'll help you. Use Allain's tenure, since you love him so. We're 4-10-2 vs. them, with two very high profile losses. They've won 2 ECAC championships; we've won one. They've "won" two #1 seeds; we've won none. (But then, the RS "championship" is worth a warm bucket of piss.)
Have they had our number lately? Yes. Are they unbeatable, no. Just show some perspective. For my part, I'm beginning to be... worried. Come back to me when we haven't beaten them in the regular season for 10 years or so. Come back to me when they've been in the final four multiple times, particularly if they win a championship. Come back to me in, well, three years or so. Then we'll have a discussion.
They've had the best of us, lately. So what? It probably won't last.
Since 2008-09, Yale is 10-2-0 against us (goals 46-26), have finished above us in four of the last five seasons (avg. finish 2.6 vs 3.8), have taken 146 ECAC points to our 133, two ECAC first-place finishes (none), two ECAC titles (one), four Ivy titles (one), four NCAA appearances (three), one Frozen four (none). That's a bit more comprehensive as a comparison than you gave. Last I checked, the goal of hockey is to win games by scoring more goals than your opponent, and Yale has done more of this than us in the last five seasons. I'm not going to let us get whupped for another five seasons before pointing out that there may be something wrong here. And why couldn't it last?
Quote from: HockeyManA tad defensive, aren't we? Who said anything about Yale being unbeatable? We've won now and then against them in recent years, and we'll continue to do so; what's that got to with the issue at hand? When you say you don't want to have a discussion until after we go 0 for 20 against them in the RS in the next decade, you sound like, well, an overheated schoolboy.
Yale figured as unbeatable:
Quote from: BearLoverThey've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
Otherwise, you just reiterated the point I'm trying to make. I'm perfectly willing to say that Yale has replaced Harvard, particularly until Harvard fires Teddy; Yale'll need to dominate us for a while before I'll crown them the Ivy All-Time Champeen!!!111
I might—
might—entertain the notion that, recently, Yale has pulled even with us. I think that's temporary; BearLover seems not to think so.
As far as support and pedantry goes, though: Do you know to what I'm referring with 0 and 20? When that happened, we weren't the best Ivy... by a long shot. What about my list of stats? That's support, which I've seen none of from BearLover. How does he support his notion that Yale will continue to "have our number?"
And sure I'm defensive. What I wonder is why everyone else isn't? Many people on this forum seem ready to throw in the towel, throw the baby out with the bathwater, and/or [insert further homespun phrase here]. What I read here lately are the ramblings of a bunch of pretty fair-weather fans who lack perspective. As a '97 grad, it's something I'll never understand, probably because I saw much of '87–'93 as a townie, and all of '93–'95 as a student; indeed, I'm trying to bring some of that perspective to this discussion. Take it for what you will.
Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
When the other teams in the ECAC do well it does directly help Cornell. There's the ranking effect - strength of schedule. There's the "playing quality opponents" effect. And there's the reputation effect (easier to recruit good players when they don't think they're going to play in some backwater league that won't help their hockey development.)
Not rooting for ECAC teams in the tournament is fine if 1) you want Cornell to be a big fish in a small pond and are happy for anything that keeps the pond smaller and 2)you like seeing the big name schools dominate and then bad mouth the less fortunate.
Quote from: KeithKWhen the other teams in the ECAC do well it does directly help Cornell. There's the ranking effect - strength of schedule. There's the "playing quality opponents" effect. And there's the reputation effect (easier to recruit good players when they don't think they're going to play in some backwater league that won't help their hockey development.)
This is especially important for the ECAC right now in its history. When a recruit is winnowing down his choices to the ECAC and, say, Hockey East, it's very hard to counter the argument that since the ECAC has not won an NCAA title since 1989, and has not even appeared in a NCAA Final since 1991, the league is inferior competition and not as strong for the recruit's development.
The ECAC needs to do well in the NCAA. We need championships. Once the ECAC tournament ends, the other 11 members become my second favorite team.
Union 4-0 over BC in the 2nd. This is great.
Quote from: BenAnd why couldn't it last?
Oh, it could. I won't say that Yale's success, particularly against us, hasn't been a bit disturbing. I just
think it won't last. Just a hunch, that's all.
A couple of months ago, forecasters predicted that we'd have a pretty quick end to winter. Turns out that the skiing has been great this spring. Maybe it'll be great next year too, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Predictions work like that.
Quote from: Scersk '97And sure I'm defensive. What I wonder is why everyone else isn't?
I dunno. I guess I think some good points are being made by the pro-Yale forces. I've disagreed where I thought it was relevant without getting defensive. You can start to sound a little unhinged when you get defensive.
Hypothetically.
2nd period in the books, Union up 4-0 and outshooting BC 2:1. This is an ass-whooping so far.
Quote from: Scersk '97And sure I'm defensive. What I wonder is why everyone else isn't? Many people on this forum seem ready to throw in the towel, throw the baby out with the bathwater, and/or [insert further homespun phrase here]. What I read here lately are the ramblings of a bunch of pretty fair-weather fans who lack perspective. As a '97 grad, it's something I'll never understand, probably because I saw much of '87–'93 as a townie, and all of '93–'95 as a student; indeed, I'm trying to bring some of that perspective to this discussion. Take it for what you will.
I hear this a lot in sports. Never question your own team and its leadership, or you're being a bad fan. It's as ridiculous to say that we're in a golden age of Cornell hockey because you were first exposed to it in the early '90s as it would be to say that we've been terrible for ages if you first watched in the late '60s and early '70s. Averaging out over a long period of time (mid-60s to now), I think it's reasonable to expect the following each season: between 5th and 3rd or above in the RS; first round playoff victory at home; ECAC last four and NCAA appearances every 2/3 years; ECAC title every 3-5 years. These aren't rigorous criteria, but a set of expectations over several years. While this season did not live up to any of those expectations, the more important concern is that it drags the program down from that set of expectations as a moving average, and
may be the start of a downward trend. We may be the Faithful, but my faith doesn't involve being led around blind and unquestioning.
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
When the other teams in the ECAC do well it does directly help Cornell. There's the ranking effect - strength of schedule. There's the "playing quality opponents" effect. And there's the reputation effect (easier to recruit good players when they don't think they're going to play in some backwater league that won't help their hockey development.)
Not rooting for ECAC teams in the tournament is fine if 1) you want Cornell to be a big fish in a small pond and are happy for anything that keeps the pond smaller and 2)you like seeing the big name schools dominate and then bad mouth the less fortunate.
So right you are. That's why right now I'm ecstatic. Assuming U can hold on, we'll have a Frozen Four with 2 ECAC teams, 1 HE, and 1 WCHA or CCHA. How the hell can't you be happy with that. Go to the FF, wear your jersey with pride. See what those WCHA fans say now. Yes, it may only be one year, but as Keith said, it can be head a long distance when you go to recruit.
Quote from: Jim HylaAssuming U can hold on, we'll have a Frozen Four with 2 ECAC teams, 1 HE, and 1 WCHA or CCHA. How the hell can't you be happy with that.
Ecstatic.
And for those of you wondering hypothetically, those two bracket entries
do not (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/confinfo.php?c=7&d=bracket) intersect in the SF. Just sayin'.
Quote from: TrotskyAnd for those of you wondering hypothetically, those two bracket entries do not (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/confinfo.php?c=7&d=bracket) intersect in the SF. Just sayin'.
So you're saying we still could have no ECAC team in the finals? Lovely.
I'm rooting for 'em. That doesn't mean I'm counting chickens. (I'm still expecting BC to come roaring back in the 3rd.)
Quote from: KeithKQuote from: TrotskyAnd for those of you wondering hypothetically, those two bracket entries do not (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/confinfo.php?c=7&d=bracket) intersect in the SF. Just sayin'.
So you're saying we still could have no ECAC team in the finals? Lovely.
I'm rooting for 'em. That doesn't mean I'm counting chickens. (I'm still expecting BC to come roaring back in the 3rd.)
Of course. That bastard won't be dead until it's staked, exposed to sunlight, and drowned in running water.
Quote from: BenI hear this a lot in sports. Never question your own team and its leadership, or you're being a bad fan.
"Fair-weather" may have gone a bit too far. Criticize the team and its leadership all you like. I have, but I don't tend to do so here, for whatever reason; indeed, I'm probably a bit more critical (and certainly more engaged) during better seasons. Just realize that it could be far worse.
But we were talking about—completely off-topic for this thread—the relative fortunes of Yale and Cornell. In a sense, we're arguing about the definition of "lately," that's all. Lately means something different for me now than it used to. We can agree to disagree.
5-0 Union
Quote from: Trotsky5-0 Union
"Knock, knock!" (http://www.gatorrugby.com/links/songbook/gangbang)
Quote from: Jim HylaQuote from: KeithKQuote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
When the other teams in the ECAC do well it does directly help Cornell. There's the ranking effect - strength of schedule. There's the "playing quality opponents" effect. And there's the reputation effect (easier to recruit good players when they don't think they're going to play in some backwater league that won't help their hockey development.)
Not rooting for ECAC teams in the tournament is fine if 1) you want Cornell to be a big fish in a small pond and are happy for anything that keeps the pond smaller and 2)you like seeing the big name schools dominate and then bad mouth the less fortunate.
So right you are. That's why right now I'm ecstatic. Assuming U can hold on, we'll have a Frozen Four with 2 ECAC teams, 1 HE, and 1 WCHA or CCHA. How the hell can't you be happy with that. Go to the FF, wear your jersey with pride. See what those WCHA fans say now. Yes, it may only be one year, but as Keith said, it can be head a long distance when you go to recruit.
There are two obvious things here that have a direct bearing on the turn this thread has taken and the Should he Stay thread.
1. The ECAC's national performance this year is the best it's been in decades. Obviously the level of competition in the league has improved tremendously. So it may not be that Cornell has declined or that other teams have become dominant, but rather that the overall level of competition has improved so that no team is dominant year after year.
2. I'll grant that Yale has had Cornell's number the past few years. If this persists, Schafer has to adjust or die. I think he knows what he's doing, but for argument's sake let's assume he didn't see this coming but he's smart. So first he needed a few years to recognize the trend. Second, he needed to start to find a different style to counter the new best practice one. This may be entirely different, but more likely it would be a modified or hybrid version of the style his teams have played before. Instead of the big-bruiser, wear-them-down, lock-up defense and capitalize-on-mistakes style, he experiments with something more wide open. This might take a few years to work things out. Third, he'd have to recruit for the new system, and the system would have to adjust to the kinds of players he recruits successfully. In short, the game might get ahead of an excellent coach, but an excellent coach makes adjustments. With recruiting trends and constraints, the adjustments will take some time and won't happen overnight.
Quote from: Swampy2. I'll grant that Yale has had Cornell's number the past few years. If this persists, Schafer has to adjust or die. I think he knows what he's doing, but for argument's sake let's assume he didn't see this coming but he's smart. So first he needed a few years to recognize the trend. Second, he needed to start to find a different style to counter the new best practice one. This may be entirely different, but more likely it would be a modified or hybrid version of the style his teams have played before. Instead of the big-bruiser, wear-them-down, lock-up defense and capitalize-on-mistakes style, he experiments with something more wide open. This might take a few years to work things out. Third, he'd have to recruit for the new system, and the system would have to adjust to the kinds of players he recruits successfully. In short, the game might get ahead of an excellent coach, but an excellent coach makes adjustments. With recruiting trends and constraints, the adjustments will take some time and won't happen overnight.
Well said.
Grosenick playing well this period.
Quote from: Swampy1. The ECAC's national performance this year is the best it's been in decades. Obviously the level of competition in the league has improved tremendously.
Counting the current teams, best performance since 1980. Jeez! Break up the ECAC!
This will be the first time ever (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ecac_NCAA_Icon_All_while_in_Conf.htm) that three ECAC teams have won NCAA games.
And that's it. 5-1 Union wins, ECAC teams now 4-0.
Quote from: TrotskyAnd that's it. 5-1 Union wins, ECAC teams now 4-0.
The ECAC will be 5–1 after tomorrow. Slackers. :-)
I'm picking Union, but then I would always pick the streaking tournament champ over the "regular-season champion."
Go Union/Quinnipac. Go Yale. Show us how it's done.
The USCHO Forum is something to behold right now.
Quote from: TrotskyThe USCHO Forum is something to behold right now.
It
is! And it's hilarious!
Fantastic, I am guessing this is a bit of a surprise to the BC fans. Go U.
Quote from: Scersk '97Whereas, while we're on this line of inquiry, RPI loses practically nobody. Casey continues to rebuild at Clarkson. Perhaps Harvard finally fires Teddy?
I have to think that next year is the year that the traditional powers of the ECAC (RPI, SLU, Clarkson, Harvard, and, well, us) reassert themselves.
RPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
It's too bad that RPI doesn't do cheers like Cornell does of "Good Goalie, Bad Goalie" and the like. I'd love to see "Parker Reno, Janet Reno" when playing Cornell. ::cheer::
Thank you.
An intersting observation: During the entire Yale - NoDak game they never called Yale the Bulldogs. My guess is the couldn't call NoDak the Sioux, so they didn't call Yale by their nickname either, in case somebody might question why only one had a nickname.
God, I hate polical correctness! ::wank::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82An intersting observation: During the entire Yale - NoDak game they never called Yale the Bulldogs. My guess is the couldn't call NoDak the Sioux, so they didn't call Yale by their nickname either, in case somebody might question why only one had a nickname.
God, I hate polical correctness! ::wank::
Maybe you wouldn't if you were the incorrect.
Now we've done it, this thread has been permanently damaged.::deadhorse::
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82An intersting observation: During the entire Yale - NoDak game they never called Yale the Bulldogs. My guess is the couldn't call NoDak the Sioux, so they didn't call Yale by their nickname either, in case somebody might question why only one had a nickname.
God, I hate polical correctness! ::wank::
I don't think we should be using words like hate. It is far too offesive to the tender souls which are it's object. I think what you really meant was "I have some mild ambivilence about political correctness but I understand that my ambivilence might cause the oppression of someone, so I will not express it in any terms that could be percieved as negative."
Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
We want Yale, Union and Quinnipiac to keep winning until one of them poses for the winner's photo in two weeks. A competitive league breeds respect and draws better players. Some will go to the other schools. Enough will go to Cornell. We (Cornell and the ECAC) have been down far too long on the national scene where down means "didn't win the NCAA title." (OK, feel free to argue about how having 2 of 4 in the FF makes us look good. It's a start.)
Six years is enough to know if you've got a good program, four years is enough to have a dynasty if they coincide with your four years at Cornell, and you need a decade to tell if the program and coach are going to be legendary. Odds are if you have a coach who's on his way to being a legend, he'll get poached in less then 10 by Hopkins, Penn State, BC or someone with an offer of more dollars.
The flip side is it takes about that long for the school to know if your program is in trouble. (Fans will say they know after back to back losses.) So players and fans suffer for too long.
Quote from: billhowardQuote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
We want Yale, Union and Quinnipiac to keep winning until one of them poses for the winner's photo in two weeks. A competitive league breeds respect and draws better players. Some will go to the other schools. Enough will go to Cornell. We (Cornell and the ECAC) have been down far too long on the national scene where down means "didn't win the NCAA title." (OK, feel free to argue about how having 2 of 4 in the FF makes us look good. It's a start.)
Six years is enough to know if you've got a good program, four years is enough to have a dynasty if they coincide with your four years at Cornell, and you need a decade to tell if the program and coach are going to be legendary. Odds are if you have a coach who's on his way to being a legend, he'll get poached in less then 10 by Hopkins, Penn State, BC or someone with an offer of more dollars.
The flip side is it takes about that long for the school to know if your program is in trouble. (Fans will say they know after back to back losses.) So players and fans suffer for too long.
As my brain was working overnight, it came up with what might be the strongest reason, at least for next season, to want all ECAC teams to do well. Maybe, just maybe, the players and coaches will see what can be done and be encouraged to start a strong off-season program.
Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning.
A rising tide lifts all boats. I'm sick and tired of Cornell playing down to an also-ran league. And guess what? That isn't the case right now, and hopefully the ECAC can keep it up and continue to embarrass Hockey Least.
Suck it, BC. ::wank::
Quote from: Jim HylaSo right you are. That's why right now I'm ecstatic. Assuming U can hold on, we'll have a Frozen Four with 2 ECAC teams, 1 HE, and 1 WCHA or CCHA. How the hell can't you be happy with that. Go to the FF, wear your jersey with pride. See what those WCHA fans say now. Yes, it may only be one year, but as Keith said, it can be head a long distance when you go to recruit.
I'm considering making a t-shirt with a giant "Z" on it to wear around Pittsburgh.
Yesterday was a historic day for us long-time ECAC fans...I think everybody gets this. And while it's true that the league could get wiped in the semis, the teams remaining aren't distasteful at all. In the last year of the current conference layout, all the SuperPowers are dead. No BC, BU, Maine, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, North Dakota, Denver, Wisconsin. They're all gone.
[Edit] Some research (http://www.tbrw.info/?/ncaa_Tournament/ncaa_F4_Icon.html): There has been two previous FF without at least one of: BU, BC, Mich, NoDak, or Minn. 1969 and 1970.
I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this Frozen Four.
Quote from: Jim HylaMaybe, just maybe, the players and coaches will see what can be done and be encouraged to start a strong off-season program.
I've wondered whether there might be a little bit of a "5 minute mile" mental barrier. From the mid-80s through mid-90s the ECAC Championship was like that for Cornell: we tried to get in position in the final four and hoped that everything would break
exactly right (like 1986).
When Schafer came along and won it in his first two years, that completely demythologized the ECACs. From 2 finals in the prior 14 years we went to 10 in the next 16 (http://www.tbrw.info/ecac_Tournament/ecac_F4_Icon.htm). It was still great to win, but it was no longer supernatural.
Now something similar may be happening with the ECAC in the NCAAs. In the 15 years prior to 2012 the ECAC sent just 2 teams to the Frozen Four (http://www.tbrw.info/ncaa_Tournament/ncaa_F4_Icon.html): SLU in 2000 and Cornell in 2003. Now we will have sent 3 teams in 2 seasons. We still regard actually winning the national title as an occult act, but maybe that mental barrier will fall as well.
Quote from: Kyle RoseSuck it, BC. ::wank::
Every time a BC fan cries an angel gets his wings.
Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
A Yale/Union or Yale/Quinnipiac final is the best proof there could be that 1) Schafer is done, his time has passed 2) he and the rest of the staff are being out-coached by many other teams in league, and 3) a team can be razed and rebooted in less time than it takes to try and retool a system THAT NO LONGER WORKS.
You can talk about how many times Schafer has led us into the NCAAs, but he has only led us into the Frozen Four ONCE, and NEVER into the title game. Reframed another way: there are now three ECAC teams (two after tomorrow) that will have gone as far as we ever have in his too-long tenure. The two remaining ECAC teams will have a pretty good shot at doing what coach Schafer has NEVER done, get into a title game.
You people have gone past blind allegiance into delusion, you can say whatever you want but if you look objectively at the situation you will see how far this program has fallen.
And let me repeat again, because it's really important, these programs have been built from the ground up while Cornell sat by and did NOTHING, even though the signs were there. Congratulations, we're Blackberry (or Palm.) You call every negative poster a troll, and that's fine, but it's the program that pays the price, we are now a punchline---"Look at all these ECAC teams, what happened to Cornell?" Indeed.
Quote from: ScrewBUQuote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning. It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.
Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now. I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program. They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.
A Yale/Union or Yale/Quinnipiac final is the best proof there could be that 1) Schafer is done, his time has passed 2) he and the rest of the staff are being out-coached by many other teams in league, and 3) a team can be razed and rebooted in less time than it takes to try and retool a system THAT NO LONGER WORKS.
You can talk about how many times Schafer has led us into the NCAAs, but he has only led us into the Frozen Four ONCE, and NEVER into the title game. Reframed another way: there are now three ECAC teams (two after tomorrow) that will have gone as far as we ever have in his too-long tenure. The two remaining ECAC teams will have a pretty good shot at doing what coach Schafer has NEVER done, get into a title game.
You people have gone past blind allegiance into delusion, you can say whatever you want but if you look objectively at the situation you will see how far this program has fallen.
And let me repeat again, because it's really important, these programs have been built from the ground up while Cornell sat by and did NOTHING, even though the signs were there. Congratulations, we're Blackberry (or Palm.) You call every negative poster a troll, and that's fine, but it's the program that pays the price, we are now a punchline---"Look at all these ECAC teams, what happened to Cornell?" Indeed.
Maybe I shouldn't even answer, but here goes. Yale and Union have built good programs, yes. The jury is still out on Q. They really haven't done much this year, unless you say winning the regular season and then folding would be great. If they get to FF, OK. But this is just 1 year and they may fold next year after losing a lot of talent.
I've said that Yale and U are our equals or more right now. But who else? So far of the 3 teams you mention, they have been led to the FF a total of 3 times, or ave 1 per team. That's hardly soooo much better. And the rest of the league?
I know you'll never be convinced that there isn't a pot of gold (i.e. coach) right out there at the end of your rainbow, but until you can show me what would be better (meaning who) and that it's feasible, then I'm not going to go running after that rainbow.
Cornell alumnus Darren Eliot (http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptGoalies/rptGoalies_eliot_darren.pdf) doing the color for the St. Cloud - Miami game.
To show how different college hockey used to be, Eliot was First Team All-American in 1983 with a GAA of 3.74 and a save percentage of .892.
I just posted this on USCHO where it will probably get buried, but I figured it would interest some people here, and this is IMO as good a place as any. Here are three tweets (https://twitter.com/SethAppert) from RPI coach Seth Appert who will be the ECAC's representative to the NCAA starting either next season or at this year's FF (don't know when the terms start).
"6 WCHA teams that qualified for NCAAs played 35 non conference games at home and only 10 on road thats a joke/criteria needs adjusting"
"I grew up WCHA fan/coached in league for 9 years-not blaming programs-systematic issue we need to address w weight NC games carry in PWR"
"issue has nothing to do w us not getting in-we lost in playoffs that's on me n team but we need to weight road wins in NC w more importance"
Quote from: ursusminorI just posted this on USCHO where it will probably get buried, but I figured it would interest some people here, and this is IMO as good a place as any. Here are three tweets (https://twitter.com/SethAppert) from RPI coach Seth Appert who will be the ECAC's representative starting either next season or at this year's FF (don't know when the terms start).
"6 WCHA teams that qualified for NCAAs played 35 non conference games at home and only 10 on road thats a joke/criteria needs adjusting"
"I grew up WCHA fan/coached in league for 9 years-not blaming programs-systematic issue we need to address w weight NC games carry in PWR"
"issue has nothing to do w us not getting in-we lost in playoffs that's on me n team but we need to weight road wins in NC w more importance"
great
SCSU in the final four
St. Cloud beats Miami. Some words from the CCHA's attending physician:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0yXqU-w9U0&feature=player_embedded
Q ripping Union. 5-0 after two.
Quote from: jeff '84Q ripping Union. 5-0 after two.
Maybe they'll beat someone else 10-0.
Interesting Union took 2 five-minute majors and game disqualifications in the game. Is it the coach's fault?
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Trotsky5-0 Union
"Knock, knock!" (http://www.gatorrugby.com/links/songbook/gangbang)
Unless I had a really bad browser malfunction, THIS one needs you badly.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: Scersk '97Whereas, while we're on this line of inquiry, RPI loses practically nobody. Casey continues to rebuild at Clarkson. Perhaps Harvard finally fires Teddy?
I have to think that next year is the year that the traditional powers of the ECAC (RPI, SLU, Clarkson, Harvard, and, well, us) reassert themselves.
RPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
It's too bad that RPI doesn't do cheers like Cornell does of "Good Goalie, Bad Goalie" and the like. I'd love to see "Parker Reno, Janet Reno" when playing Cornell. ::cheer::
Can someone check the bylaws and see if we can confer an Honorary Lynah Faithful status on ursusminor? Or at least a "Spirit of Lynah" award?;-)
Quote from: ursusminorRPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
I think you also have to worry about a defection to another Division One school. Word was that Appert was looking for a position at Northeastern a couple years ago after his NCAA appearance. Hopefully he's growing to love the hot dogs at Famous Lunch, but I wouldn't bet a quart of zippy sauce on it.
Quote from: TimVQuote from: ursusminorQuote from: Scersk '97Whereas, while we're on this line of inquiry, RPI loses practically nobody. Casey continues to rebuild at Clarkson. Perhaps Harvard finally fires Teddy?
I have to think that next year is the year that the traditional powers of the ECAC (RPI, SLU, Clarkson, Harvard, and, well, us) reassert themselves.
RPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
It's too bad that RPI doesn't do cheers like Cornell does of "Good Goalie, Bad Goalie" and the like. I'd love to see "Parker Reno, Janet Reno" when playing Cornell. ::cheer::
Can someone check the bylaws and see if we can confer an Honorary Lynah Faithful status on ursusminor? Or at least a "Spirit of Lynah" award?;-)
I must have said something wrong. ::yark::
Quote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorRPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
I think you also have to worry about a defection to another Division One school. Word was that Appert was looking for a position at Northeastern a couple years ago after his NCAA appearance. Hopefully he's growing to love the hot dogs at Famous Lunch, but I wouldn't bet a quart of zippy sauce on it.
I am concerned about that, but even people here have said that he has to win something first.
Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorRPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
I think you also have to worry about a defection to another Division One school. Word was that Appert was looking for a position at Northeastern a couple years ago after his NCAA appearance. Hopefully he's growing to love the hot dogs at Famous Lunch, but I wouldn't bet a quart of zippy sauce on it.
I am concerned about that, but even people here have said that he has to win something first.
Denver has a sudden opening (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/04/01_denver_stunner_gwozdecky.php), with George Gwozdecky unexpectedly departing after 19 seasons.
Quote from: kingpin248Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorRPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
I think you also have to worry about a defection to another Division One school. Word was that Appert was looking for a position at Northeastern a couple years ago after his NCAA appearance. Hopefully he's growing to love the hot dogs at Famous Lunch, but I wouldn't bet a quart of zippy sauce on it.
I am concerned about that, but even people here have said that he has to win something first.
Denver has a sudden opening (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/04/01_denver_stunner_gwozdecky.php), with George Gwozdecky unexpectedly departing after 19 seasons.
I've started my stopwatch for the overly-sanctimonious "Denver has the guts to do what Cornell didn't..." post from ScrewBU.
+1.
Love this quote from their AD:
Quote from: CHN article"We certainly wish George the best in his future endeavors and we are thankful for his 19 years at the helm of our hockey program," said Denver athletic director Peg Bradley-Doppes. "He certainly had his fair share of success, returning the program to the pinnacle of the collegiate hockey world during our great run in the middle of the previous decade."
Interesting word choices in this article. Looks like it wasn't mutual...
Quote from: BMac+1.
Love this quote from their AD:
Quote from: CHN article"We certainly wish George the best in his future endeavors and we are thankful for his 19 years at the helm of our hockey program," said Denver athletic director Peg Bradley-Doppes. "He certainly had his fair share of success, returning the program to the pinnacle of the collegiate hockey world during our great run in the middle of the previous decade."
Interesting word choices in this article. Looks like it wasn't mutual...
Quite a surprise to me. I have to think there was more going on there than wins and losses.
Quote from: RichHQuote from: kingpin248Quote from: ursusminorQuote from: martyQuote from: ursusminorRPI is losing Nick Bailen whom the powerplay was centered around. The powerplay will need to be reconstructed. He will be replaced on the roster by Parker Reno who was a finalist for Minnesota's Mr. Hockey award and is expected to be drafted this year, but he is not the offensive force (and often defensive liability) that Bailen has been. Besides for him, RPI is indeed not losing much. We lost most of the Class of '13 when Jerry D'Amigo and Brandon Pirri left three years ago. We might have been concerned about the loss also of Marty O'Grady, had he not been injured most of the year.
Barring defections to the pros, We aren't going to be losing much a year from now either.
I think you also have to worry about a defection to another Division One school. Word was that Appert was looking for a position at Northeastern a couple years ago after his NCAA appearance. Hopefully he's growing to love the hot dogs at Famous Lunch, but I wouldn't bet a quart of zippy sauce on it.
I am concerned about that, but even people here have said that he has to win something first.
Denver has a sudden opening (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2013/04/01_denver_stunner_gwozdecky.php), with George Gwozdecky unexpectedly departing after 19 seasons.
I've started my stopwatch for the overly-sanctimonious "Denver has the guts to do what Cornell didn't..." post from ScrewBU.
What I expected was "here's the qualified, available coach you've been saying doesn't exist." Because... it's hard to argue with that.
Also, don't fire Schafer.
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: Swampy1. The ECAC's national performance this year is the best it's been in decades. Obviously the level of competition in the league has improved tremendously.
Counting the current teams, best performance since 1980. Jeez! Break up the ECAC!
Clearly, being the only league untouched by the coming apocalypse has left us at the Power Conference.
This is a pretty amazing Frozen Four field. Just about the only way it could be better is if
MankatoMinnesota State had come out of the Midwest instead of SCSU. I know Penn State and the Big T6n caused the whole mess, but I still blame the NCHC schools for bolting the established Western conferences and leaving them to collapse like a house of cards.
Quote from: scoop85Quote from: BMac+1.
Love this quote from their AD:
Quote from: CHN article"We certainly wish George the best in his future endeavors and we are thankful for his 19 years at the helm of our hockey program," said Denver athletic director Peg Bradley-Doppes. "He certainly had his fair share of success, returning the program to the pinnacle of the collegiate hockey world during our great run in the middle of the previous decade."
Interesting word choices in this article. Looks like it wasn't mutual...
Quite a surprise to me. I have to think there was more going on there than wins and losses.
Sounds like it. Gwod was probably asking for more money (there are references to "contract demands") and the administration might have gotten fed up with him.
Quote from: BMac+1.
Love this quote from their AD:
Quote from: CHN article"We certainly wish George the best in his future endeavors and we are thankful for his 19 years at the helm of our hockey program," said Denver athletic director Peg Bradley-Doppes. "He certainly had his fair share of success, returning the program to the pinnacle of the collegiate hockey world during our great run in the middle of the previous decade."
Interesting word choices in this article. Looks like it wasn't mutual...
According to the USCHO article: (http://www.uscho.com/2013/04/01/gwozdecky-steps-down-as-denver-head-coach-after-19-seasons/)
QuoteGwozdecky, 59, was to complete a 12-year contract after next season and told the Denver Post before the season was over that he thought an extension was on the way. Instead, according to two Post sources, Gwozdecky was fired and the school will pay the remaining year on his contract.
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2013/04/01/gwozdecky-steps-down-as-denver-head-coach-after-19-seasons/#ixzz2PG9nmKfi
Not too mutual.
From USCHO - Time to give ECAC its due:
http://www.uscho.com/in-the-corner/2013/03/31/commentary-its-time-to-give-the-ecac-their-due/
Quinnipiac goaltender Eric Hartzell is in the Hobey Hat Trick.
http://www.uscho.com/2013/04/03/gaudreau-hartzell-leblanc-make-up-2013-hobey-hat-trick/
Nice article from USCHO on the '51 and '52 Yale teams and getting to the NCAAs. (http://www.uscho.com/2013/04/03/in-1952-prior-selection-slight-sparked-yales-frozen-four-run/)
Many things don't change with time:
Quote"I think the '51 and '52 teams were equally good. The '51 team had a better record, but we didn't go out West that year at Christmas," explained Larry Noble Jr., who captained the 1953 edition of the Bulldogs icers. "In '52, we went out and played Denver, Colorado College and Minnesota — two games each
Quotethe selection committee — I'm not sure who it was made up of — was highly influenced by the Boston sportswriters. They were always pushing [Boston College] and BU to go out as the two [Eastern] representatives,"
That 1951 team had only one loss at the time the selection committee was supposed to meet. With a tough decision looming, the group delayed the vote until the Harvard-Yale game, the penultimate of Yale's regular season. Harvard won.
"Two hours later, they selected two other teams," Noble said.
But much like with CU Lax, a tournament, or lack thereof, allowed them to get in.
Quote"They decided that BC, BU, Yale and St. Lawrence were the four best teams, and they really couldn't decide among them," Noble said, "so they decreed that there would be a playoff among these four teams. BC and BU thought they deserved to be picked, like they always did, and refused to play in the playoff. So, I think to their huge surprise, the selection committee picked Yale and St. Lawrence."
Quote from: nyc94Quinnipiac goaltender Eric Hartzell is in the Hobey Hat Trick.
http://www.uscho.com/2013/04/03/gaudreau-hartzell-leblanc-make-up-2013-hobey-hat-trick/
Another year, another "Well, if LeNeveu didn't..."
Quote from: Jordan 04Quote from: nyc94Quinnipiac goaltender Eric Hartzell is in the Hobey Hat Trick.
http://www.uscho.com/2013/04/03/gaudreau-hartzell-leblanc-make-up-2013-hobey-hat-trick/
Another year, another "Well, if LeNeveu didn't..."
LeNeveu was up against a guy with 80 points. No one in this bunch is anywhere close. That's the difference.
We're all victims of circumstances, right? That said Lenny's 2002-2003 #s look a little better than Hartzell's. Re. 80 points, Jeff Panzer had 81 points for UND the year that Ryan Miller won (UND was 29-8-9 in 2000-01). Perhaps the fact that Miller had just won the award two years prior biased voters against Lenny. Miller is only the second goalie ever to win the Hobey.
Perhaps Hartzell's numbers alongside of Q's emergence as a true national contender will help him. The top scorers on Q have only 30 points and I think the team averages only about 3 goals a game so he'll get a lot of credit.
Quote from: RatushnyFanWe're all victims of circumstances, right? That said Lenny's 2002-2003 #s look a little better than Hartzell's.
That was a "JUUUUST a bit outside" kind of "a little", not a literal "a little", right?
Quote from: Josh '99Quote from: RatushnyFanWe're all victims of circumstances, right? That said Lenny's 2002-2003 #s look a little better than Hartzell's.
That was a "JUUUUST a bit outside" kind of "a little", not a literal "a little", right?
http://db.elynah.com/player.php?id=27
LeNeveu - 1.20 GAA (1st in nation), 0.940 SV% (1st in nation)
Hartzell - 1.55 GAA (3rd in nation), 0.933 SV% (8th in nation)
But, you know, it's the system and all that...
this two weeks between regionals and frozen 4 BS is annoying. total buzzkill from the excitement of last weekend.
Quote from: gomestarthis two weeks between regionals and frozen 4 BS is annoying. total buzzkill from the excitement of last weekend.
What is the reasoning behind the week off?
Quote from: martyQuote from: gomestarthis two weeks between regionals and frozen 4 BS is annoying. total buzzkill from the excitement of last weekend.
What is the reasoning behind the week off?
Let the Super Bowl like media hype rise to a crescendo? ;)
I thought it was to avoid "competing" with the F4, which is pretty silly.
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: gomestarthis two weeks between regionals and frozen 4 BS is annoying. total buzzkill from the excitement of last weekend.
What is the reasoning behind the week off?
Let the Super Bowl like media hype rise to a crescendo? ;)
I thought it was to avoid "competing" with the F4, which is pretty silly.
Makes the tournament a marathon, but it would be pretty easy to slip a best-of-three quarterfinal round into that off week, wouldn't it?
Quote from: Scersk '97Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyQuote from: gomestarthis two weeks between regionals and frozen 4 BS is annoying. total buzzkill from the excitement of last weekend.
What is the reasoning behind the week off?
Let the Super Bowl like media hype rise to a crescendo? ;)
I thought it was to avoid "competing" with the F4, which is pretty silly.
Makes the tournament a marathon, but it would be pretty easy to slip a best-of-three quarterfinal round into that off week, wouldn't it?
That would be onerous for the student-athletes.
(Pause for laughter.)
Quote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyWhat is the reasoning behind the week off?
I thought it was to avoid "competing" with the F4, which is pretty silly.
This. It is less silly when you consider the NCAA doesn't want to cannibalize itself. It has two high-profile events. There is not-insignificant overlap between the potential audiences, the antipathy to basketball here notwithstanding.
Quote from: ugarteQuote from: TrotskyQuote from: martyWhat is the reasoning behind the week off?
I thought it was to avoid "competing" with the F4, which is pretty silly.
This. It is less silly when you consider the NCAA doesn't want to cannibalize itself. It has two high-profile events. There is not-insignificant overlap between the potential audiences, the antipathy to basketball here notwithstanding.
As long as we're never called an "appetizer" to the F4 ever again...