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I'm surprised there hasn't been discussion yet... Adam Wodon posted it (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2012/08/14_ecac_makes_it_official_moving.php) a few hours ago!

I've never been to Lake Placid. Looking forward to attempting to drive there- you guys made it seem pretty difficult!

Quote from: BMacI'm surprised there hasn't been discussion yet... Adam Wodon posted it (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2012/08/14_ecac_makes_it_official_moving.php) a few hours ago!

Someone needs to start reading the "Generic Offseason Thread"...

There's like 500 THOUSAND MESSAGES there. About ties, breaking ties, Harvard ties, Joe Louis, Brown commits, Northeastern's coach, the summer varsity banquet, .....

Can't you all snipe at the ECAC on MY thread instead?!

Quote from: BMacThere's like 500 THOUSAND MESSAGES there. About ties, breaking ties, Harvard ties, Joe Louis, Brown commits, Northeastern's coach, the summer varsity banquet, .....

Can't you all snipe at the ECAC on MY thread instead?!

I agree. News this big deserves its own thread. And now that it's official...

From the generic thread:

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Quote from: adamwYou're a sweet guy Al.

As for what's there to do? It's all in the eye of the beholder. Depends on what you want to do. Suggesting there's nothing to do in LP however, is completely ridiculous. There's more to do there than Providence and Albany, as far as I'm concerned. And unless you're gambling, more than A.C. too.

Like what?  Besides the bobsled and ski jump?  Golf?  Horseback riding?  In March?  A spa?  How many hockey fans go to a spa?  It's a one-street town with nothing to offer but overpriced hotels and restaurants, and a hockey rink that's the wrong size and not nearly as comfortable as the ones in Albany and Providence.  Then, of course, there's the weather.

1) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

2) You probably won't be bored. I spent a few days in Lake Placid two summers ago and while the main thing I did (swimming in Mirror Lake) isn't really an option in March, the town struck me as a nice place to spend a weekend regardless of the time of year. If you can't fill up two days, you're not trying hard enough. Visit the Olympic museum. Check out the speed skating track where Eric Heiden swept all the events. Peruse the numerous shops. Go for a run. Swim in your hotel's indoor heated pool. Brave the cold water and take a quick dip in the lake. Enjoy the nice restaurants. Go skiing, snowboarding, and/or tubing at Whiteface Mountain. Drive or hike through the Adirondacks. Take a boat tour or go on a fishing expedition. Worst comes to worst, you can always go on ELF and complain about how much Lake Placid sucks. That seems to be what some of you do in your free time anyway.

Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Quote from: BeeeejCongratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think as a response to Al deciding for everyone that there was nothing to do, it was appropriate.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

He's talking about a quarterfinal... er, quintafinal playoff series.  And playing cards on the stage in the Field House while watching little kids play hockey was kind of fun. Sort of.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

That depends. I suspect that statement might be right for the younger part of the eLF crowd or the rest when they were younger and (more importantly) didn't have families. If you're bringing spouses and families who aren't quite so die hard the other things to do probably become a littlemore important.

The student part of the crowd is just going to be drinking and screwing anyway.  At least I would hope so.

Quote from: KeithKIf you're bringing spouses and families who aren't quite so die hard the other things to do probably become a littlemore important.

Don't blame us for your poor life choices. ;)

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Quote from: jtn27I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

If you're bringing spouses...who aren't quite so die hard the other things to do probably become a little more important.

I don't understand.  ::banana::

Quote from: TrotskyThe student part of the crowd is just going to be drinking and screwing anyway.  At least I would hope so.

This!  ::banana::

Quote from: TrotskyThe student part of the crowd is just going to be drinking and screwing anyway.  At least I would hope so.

If they didn't go to drink and screw in AC, I can't imagine they're champing at the bit to do so in Lake Placid.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

Then you need to open up those young & untrained eyes!!    As a Cornell Hockey fan of 45 years, I resent someone who is still wet behind the ears being arrogant enough to imply that I am not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan because of perceived lack of things to do.   As you may guess, I am considerably older than you and I don't care for the same recreational opportunities as your generation.    I'm okay with that.   Remember, with a little luck, you'll be where I am some day!!   But, in the meantime, try to show a bit more humility!!   It's a very redeeming quality!!

Back to LP:   No, I don't give a damn about going to LP and have no plans to go there.   Nor will I criticize you for going and having a good time.   Enjoy!!    I will find other things to enjoy in March until the ECAC comes to their senses...

I think there is one thing we can all agree on, and that's that the season can't get here soon enough.

Quote from: TrotskyI think there is one thing we can all agree on, and that's that the season can't get here soon enough.

well, that and 4 more years!*

* I'm sorry.

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Quote from: TrotskyI think there is one thing we can all agree on, and that's that the season can't get here soon enough.

well, that and 4 more years!*

* I'm sorry.

I, for one, hope Schafer stays beyond 2016.

Sigh. I guess we'll be driving in from Hague rather than paying the local hotel ransom.

Still, even with all that driving, it still beats AC.

I for one really enjoyed the small-town nature of Lake Placid during the ECACs.  It meant that you couldn't help but run into everyone!  It had a great community feel.  Plus, you can't beat the history of the rink.

For those who are worried about hotel prices - try Saranac Lake, and if you're willing to drive a little, Tupper Lake.  The prices there are much more reasonable.  I lived up there for a couple years, and I wasn't bored out of my mind!  If you're looking for something to do between games, check out The Wild Center http://wildcenter.org/  You can easily kill a whole day there, and it's good for spouses and kids...

Quote from: sen '08I for one really enjoyed the small-town nature of Lake Placid during the ECACs.  It meant that you couldn't help but run into everyone!  It had a great community feel.

I really liked this, too.  The Clarkson and SLU fans would come as enormous extended families and they were a hoot.  It was also fantastic ECAC Watching with former greats all over town.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

Then you need to open up those young & untrained eyes!!    As a Cornell Hockey fan of 45 years, I resent someone who is still wet behind the ears being arrogant enough to imply that I am not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan because of perceived lack of things to do.   As you may guess, I am considerably older than you and I don't care for the same recreational opportunities as your generation.    I'm okay with that.   Remember, with a little luck, you'll be where I am some day!!   But, in the meantime, try to show a bit more humility!!   It's a very redeeming quality!!

Back to LP:   No, I don't give a damn about going to LP and have no plans to go there.   Nor will I criticize you for going and having a good time.   Enjoy!!    I will find other things to enjoy in March until the ECAC comes to their senses...

My intention was never to imply that you or anyone else here is not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan. Rather, it was to say that despite complaining now, I suspect that if in a year and a half Cornell is playing in Lake Placid many of you will find yourselves in attendance, and for those that aren't it will be for reasons other than a lack of things to do.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

Then you need to open up those young & untrained eyes!!    As a Cornell Hockey fan of 45 years, I resent someone who is still wet behind the ears being arrogant enough to imply that I am not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan because of perceived lack of things to do.   As you may guess, I am considerably older than you and I don't care for the same recreational opportunities as your generation.    I'm okay with that.   Remember, with a little luck, you'll be where I am some day!!   But, in the meantime, try to show a bit more humility!!   It's a very redeeming quality!!

Back to LP:   No, I don't give a damn about going to LP and have no plans to go there.   Nor will I criticize you for going and having a good time.   Enjoy!!    I will find other things to enjoy in March until the ECAC comes to their senses...

My intention was never to imply that you or anyone else here is not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan. Rather, it was to say that despite complaining now, I suspect that if in a year and a half Cornell is playing in Lake Placid many of you will find yourselves in attendance, and for those that aren't it will be for reasons other than a lack of things to do.

Let me try to clarify this "things to do" issue.  If someone is going to the ECACs to see the tournament, and only the tournament, then it should be held in a place that is easy to get to for fans and has a fan-friendly hotel reservation policy.  And that's not Lake Placid.  If the ECAC chooses to hold it in a place that is difficult to get to (we've heard already about the joy of getting to LP by train--train to Troy, cab to Albany, bus to LP--and don't even think about flights for someone like Keith) there ought to be some additional attractiveness to justify the more difficult travel experience.  Else why not hold the tournament in a convenient location?  Both Albany and Providence, the two other bidders, are accessible by interstates, bus and Amtrak service, and have real airports with real airlines servicing them.

I know this is a crazy example, but if the tournament were to be held in Washington, DC, it would be equally inconvenient for me to get there (as LP), but I could stay extra nights and visit the Smithsonian, the monuments, the National Gallery, the Archives, etc.  It would make it worth the additional effort in getting there.  Now, if LP were located in Saratoga Springs or Concord, NH, or anyplace easily accessible, the fact that there's nothing of interest for me other than the tournament would be immaterial. I just don't understand choosing a remote, difficult-to-reach site with frequently dreadful weather for travel and a historically restrictive hotel reservation policy--not to mention a goofy-sized ice surface--for a tournament when there are much more accessible and attractive alternatives interested in hosting it.

If you don't like Lake Placid, you don't have a soul. Clearly. Eh?

AC is 80 minutes drive for me. LP is 5 1/2 hrs, at best. Yet I'm more than happy to be making the trip. For the umpteenth time....to each their own.

Quote from: adamwIf you don't like Lake Placid, you don't have a soul. Clearly. Eh?

AC is 80 minutes drive for me. LP is 5 1/2 hrs, at best. Yet I'm more than happy to be making the trip. For the umpteenth time....to each their own.

That's right, Adam.  It's not that I don't like Lake Placid.  I don't like spending nine hours driving there in iffy weather when it would be possible to hold the tournament in a much more accessible place.  Not everyone, I'm sorry you haven't learned by now, feels the same as you about everything.

Your "soul" wisecrack, by the way, cheapens you.  Clearly.  Eh?

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Quote from: adamwIf you don't like Lake Placid, you don't have a soul. Clearly. Eh?

AC is 80 minutes drive for me. LP is 5 1/2 hrs, at best. Yet I'm more than happy to be making the trip. For the umpteenth time....to each their own.

That's right, Adam.  It's not that I don't like Lake Placid.  I don't like spending nine hours driving there in iffy weather when it would be possible to hold the tournament in a much more accessible place.  Not everyone, I'm sorry you haven't learned by now, feels the same as you about everything.

Your "soul" wisecrack, by the way, cheapens you.  Clearly.  Eh?

Was clearly a joke. A guy who makes a living nastily ripping people, tells me I'm cheapened? Ok.

And the fact that you're telling me that not everyone feels the same is hilarious, when I'm the one who has said over and over, ad nauseum, that... to each their own. I'll let others decide who is the one being more belligerent about trying to tell everyone what to think.

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

Then you need to open up those young & untrained eyes!!    As a Cornell Hockey fan of 45 years, I resent someone who is still wet behind the ears being arrogant enough to imply that I am not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan because of perceived lack of things to do.   As you may guess, I am considerably older than you and I don't care for the same recreational opportunities as your generation.    I'm okay with that.   Remember, with a little luck, you'll be where I am some day!!   But, in the meantime, try to show a bit more humility!!   It's a very redeeming quality!!

Back to LP:   No, I don't give a damn about going to LP and have no plans to go there.   Nor will I criticize you for going and having a good time.   Enjoy!!    I will find other things to enjoy in March until the ECAC comes to their senses...

My intention was never to imply that you or anyone else here is not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan. Rather, it was to say that despite complaining now, I suspect that if in a year and a half Cornell is playing in Lake Placid many of you will find yourselves in attendance, and for those that aren't it will be for reasons other than a lack of things to do.

I never expected that it was your intention to imply such a thing....   But, words have meaning & consequences.   That's how the words came across.   And, I find it offensive.  

And your expectation that, if in a year and a half Cornell is playing in Lake Placid I will find myself in attendance, is not likely to hold true.....    It didn't happened in the 1990's and it's not going to happen now.  

I don't know what is so hard for you & some others to understand about the concept that I (& others) find nothing interesting about LP except the ECAC Hockey tournament.    Frankly, that's not enough to attract me to LP.    If I'm going to travel in March for a hockey tournament in March, I'd rather go to Boston and watch the HE tournament.   Granted, I'm not seeing Cornell play...   But, I'm probably seeing a better brand of hockey and definitely have better off-hockey tourist-type choices to make.    And, for the years that Cornell doesn't advance to LP, the HE tourney is a slamdunk!!   I'm okay with this choice; you're okay with LP...   So, what's the problem?

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Quote from: jtn271) Who cares what there is to do other than watch the games? You'll be there to see Cornell win the ECAC Championship, not see the sights. Price, distance, hotel reservations, and scheduling conflicts are all legitimate reasons not to go but "I'll be bored" is not.

Congratulations on deciding for everyone here what should and should not be important to us.  If you'd ever had to kill a Sunday in Troy waiting for the third game of a three-game series, you might feel differently.

I think that a regular season game against RPI is a little different than the ECAC championship game.

Also, I don't believe for a second that anyone who posts here regularly (and thus probably considers themselves a die-hard Cornell hockey fan) would skip going to Lake Placid to see the team play simply because of a perceived lack of things to do.

Then you need to open up those young & untrained eyes!!    As a Cornell Hockey fan of 45 years, I resent someone who is still wet behind the ears being arrogant enough to imply that I am not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan because of perceived lack of things to do.   As you may guess, I am considerably older than you and I don't care for the same recreational opportunities as your generation.    I'm okay with that.   Remember, with a little luck, you'll be where I am some day!!   But, in the meantime, try to show a bit more humility!!   It's a very redeeming quality!!

Back to LP:   No, I don't give a damn about going to LP and have no plans to go there.   Nor will I criticize you for going and having a good time.   Enjoy!!    I will find other things to enjoy in March until the ECAC comes to their senses...

My intention was never to imply that you or anyone else here is not a die-hard Cornell Hockey fan. Rather, it was to say that despite complaining now, I suspect that if in a year and a half Cornell is playing in Lake Placid many of you will find yourselves in attendance, and for those that aren't it will be for reasons other than a lack of things to do.

I never expected that it was your intention to imply such a thing....   But, words have meaning & consequences.   That's how the words came across.   And, I find it offensive.  

And your expectation that, if in a year and a half Cornell is playing in Lake Placid I will find myself in attendance, is not likely to hold true.....    It didn't happened in the 1990's and it's not going to happen now.  

I don't know what is so hard for you & some others to understand about the concept that I (& others) find nothing interesting about LP except the ECAC Hockey tournament.    Frankly, that's not enough to attract me to LP.    If I'm going to travel in March for a hockey tournament in March, I'd rather go to Boston and watch the HE tournament.   Granted, I'm not seeing Cornell play...   But, I'm probably seeing a better brand of hockey and definitely have better off-hockey tourist-type choices to make.    And, for the years that Cornell doesn't advance to LP, the HE tourney is a slamdunk!!   I'm okay with this choice; you're okay with LP...   So, what's the problem?

Have fun in Boston!  I think the point was, some of us think the choice is a good one. If you won't be there, that is definitely your decision.  But for those of us who are going to watch Cornell hockey, the attractions are a bonus, not a prerequisite.

I wish someone would set all the straw men in this place on fire.

Al is on to something.
It should definitely be in Washington, DC.

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It should definitely be in Washington, DC.

But then we'd have to forego the ice fishing in Mirror Lake.

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It should definitely be in Washington, DC.

Nah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Quote from: KeithKNah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Meh. What is there to do in San Jose?

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Quote from: KeithKNah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Meh. What is there to do in San Jose?

If we're going to put it out there, I might as well not go, stop in Detroit instead, and go watch CCHA hockey at The Joe. Higher quality of hockey and all.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinIf we're going to put it out there, I might as well not go, stop in Detroit instead, and go watch CCHA hockey at The Joe. Higher quality of hockey and all.

Except the CCHA won't exist by then ... ::bolt::

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Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinIf we're going to put it out there, I might as well not go, stop in Detroit instead, and go watch CCHA hockey at The Joe. Higher quality of hockey and all.

Except the CCHA won't exist by then ... ::bolt::

I realize. However, considering I am attending a B1G university, if I said St. Paul and the Xcel Energy Center, some people might confuse my satire for sincerity. And the idea of going to the Target Center to watch the NCHC is too absurd even to joke about.

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Quote from: adamwIf you don't like Lake Placid, you don't have a soul. Clearly. Eh?

AC is 80 minutes drive for me. LP is 5 1/2 hrs, at best. Yet I'm more than happy to be making the trip. For the umpteenth time....to each their own.

That's right, Adam.  It's not that I don't like Lake Placid.  I don't like spending nine hours driving there in iffy weather when it would be possible to hold the tournament in a much more accessible place.  Not everyone, I'm sorry you haven't learned by now, feels the same as you about everything.

Your "soul" wisecrack, by the way, cheapens you.  Clearly.  Eh?

Was clearly a joke. A guy who makes a living nastily ripping people, tells me I'm cheapened? Ok.

You can make a living nastily ripping people?  Why hasn't somebody told me this sooner?  That sounds way more fun than my current job.

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It should definitely be in Washington, DC.

Ill put another vote in for that. ::banana::

Well if we're voting for silly locations, I think it should be here in Allentown.  That is if the big hole in the ground downtown actually gets turned into an arena.

Quote from: KeithKNah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the Bay Area and you pick San Jose?!

That's like visiting Paris and eating at Wendy's.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Well if we're voting for silly locations, I think it should be here in Allentown.  That is if the big hole in the ground downtown actually gets turned into an area.

Well, first they'd have to multiply the hole's radius squared by pi.

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Quote from: adamwIf you don't like Lake Placid, you don't have a soul. Clearly. Eh?

AC is 80 minutes drive for me. LP is 5 1/2 hrs, at best. Yet I'm more than happy to be making the trip. For the umpteenth time....to each their own.

That's right, Adam.  It's not that I don't like Lake Placid.  I don't like spending nine hours driving there in iffy weather when it would be possible to hold the tournament in a much more accessible place.  Not everyone, I'm sorry you haven't learned by now, feels the same as you about everything.

Your "soul" wisecrack, by the way, cheapens you.  Clearly.  Eh?

Was clearly a joke. A guy who makes a living nastily ripping people, tells me I'm cheapened? Ok.

You can make a living nastily ripping people? [...]

Not yet.

Quote from: Josh '99You can make a living nastily ripping people?

It's a Cornell Tradition (http://images.nymag.com/images/2/daily/2009/03/20090305_keithandann_250x250.jpg).

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Quote from: KeithKNah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the Bay Area and you pick San Jose?!

That's like visiting Paris and eating at Wendy's.

OK, then in SF at the Cow Palace.

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Quote from: KeithKNah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Meh. What is there to do in San Jose?

Pretty much nothing.

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Quote from: KeithKNah. It should be at the Shark Tank in San Jose. That would be the easiest for me. And Cornell would still have the most fans in the arena (but that's a given).

Meh. What is there to do in San Jose?

Pretty much nothing.

So is that more or less than in Lake Placid?

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Well if we're voting for silly locations, I think it should be here in Allentown.  That is if the big hole in the ground downtown actually gets turned into an area.

Well, first they'd have to multiply the hole's radius squared by pi.

Oops.  ::doh::

Quote from: KeithKPretty much nothing.

That should give everyone a good chance to complain again when the NCAA hockey committee awards San Jose a Frozen Four bid. :)

MSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockey.blogspot.com/.

Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

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Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

But yet Cornell vs. Michigan or BU works?

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Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

But yet Cornell vs. Michigan or BU works?

An inherent issue is that with a post season tournament, you're uncertain until the week before if your team is going to the semifinals, so you'll never get the casual crowd.  With the Thanksgiving games, these have become "events" that even casual fans can plan for months in advance.

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Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

But yet Cornell vs. Michigan or BU works?

Speculation but I'll give you two reasons:

1) The Universities have more free cash flow than the league.
2) Cornell, BU and Michigan know that they will sell out. The ECAC doesn't know that if Brown is facing St. Lawrence they will fill the building. Higher drawing teams didn't fill the Pepsi Center.

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Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

But yet Cornell vs. Michigan or BU works?

And if Cornell's not there, how are they going to sell it? Imagine we lost in the semis to SLU, what kind of crowd for Union-SLU?

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Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

But yet Cornell vs. Michigan or BU works?

And if Cornell's not there, how are they going to sell it? Imagine we lost in the semis to SLU, what kind of crowd for Union-SLU?

The Messa Faithful would sell out The Garden. They are the best fans in college hockey. We, well, we are just "disgusting" as I was informed in AC.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Well if we're voting for silly locations, I think it should be here in Allentown.  That is if the big hole in the ground downtown actually gets turned into an arena.

People can kill time between the games by filling out forms and standing in line.

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Quote from: ursusminorMSG was reportedly considered -- but only for the Final, not the Semis: http://nhrcollegehockeyb.blogspot.com/.

My understanding is, even the final alone would've been cost prohibitive. So when it came time to vote, MSG wasn't even included. Instead it was between the other 4 mentioned.

But yet Cornell vs. Michigan or BU works?

The solution is obvious. Guarantee Cornell a spot inthe finals every year.

OK, so I'm not the only one who googled "Al DeFlorio" to find out what it is he does?

He obviously is a professional wrestler.  Proficient in barfights.  My money is on Al at LP in 2013.  Restrictive hotel policies BE DAMNED, I'M COMING REGARDLESS!!!!

I am partial to beer and wings, still have some upstate NYer in me.  I will make it work.  That is if I can make it.  LP is awfully far away.

[Repeat, repeat, repeat]

Any news on the team?  Is Espo still wearing that protective boot?

Bitter thread drift, I apologize.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinThe Messa Faithful would sell out The Garden. They are the best fans in college hockey. We, well, we are just "disgusting" as I was informed in AC.

A Union fan called you (all of us?) "disgusting"? That's pretty funny.

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Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinThe Messa Faithful would sell out The Garden. They are the best fans in college hockey. We, well, we are just "disgusting" as I was informed in AC.

A Union fan called you (all of us?) "disgusting"? That's pretty funny.

It was the collective all of us. At that time he was behind me in the seats and I had taken off my jersey so he did not know that we were Cornell fans...until we joined in the taunting of both Sucks and Union. My only thought was, it is a good thing that Union has no fans loyal enough to make the trek out to Yost. Imagine what they would think of those fans.

A question:

The Olympic Size ice in Lake Placid is wider and slightly shorter than the traditional rinks the ECAC plays on. Does that favor or hurt us?

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The Olympic Size ice in Lake Placid is wider and slightly shorter than the traditional rinks the ECAC plays on. Does that favor or hurt us?

The ice in Herb Brooks Arena is 200x100 last I checked; Lynah is 200x85.  That's wider but not shorter.

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Quote from: TowerroadA question:

The Olympic Size ice in Lake Placid is wider and slightly shorter than the traditional rinks the ECAC plays on. Does that favor or hurt us?

The ice in Herb Brooks Arena is 200x100 last I checked; Lynah is 200x85.  That's wider but not shorter.

Cornell played extremely well on the big ice in Colorado Springs last January (at least until they were totally gassed). So I don't think the big ice would hurt us. The program has changed since the last time we played in LP.

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Quote from: TowerroadA question:

The Olympic Size ice in Lake Placid is wider and slightly shorter than the traditional rinks the ECAC plays on. Does that favor or hurt us?

The ice in Herb Brooks Arena is 200x100 last I checked; Lynah is 200x85.  That's wider but not shorter.

Cornell played extremely well on the big ice in Colorado Springs last January (at least until they were totally gassed). So I don't think the big ice would hurt us. The program has changed since the last time we played in LP.

for the record, our record in the ECACs at Lake Placid:

1996: 2-0 (whoohoo)
1997: 2-0 (whoohoo)
1998: 0-1 (lost play-in game)
2000; 1-2 (won play in, lost consy)
2001: 1-1 (2nd place)
2002: 1-1 (2nd place. lost in 2OT)

Overall: 7-5, with 4 trips to the final and 2 championships.  Not too shabby, overall, and hard to complain TOO much about the last time we played there.  :)

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Quote from: TowerroadA question:

The Olympic Size ice in Lake Placid is wider and slightly shorter than the traditional rinks the ECAC plays on. Does that favor or hurt us?

The ice in Herb Brooks Arena is 200x100 last I checked; Lynah is 200x85.  That's wider but not shorter.

Cornell played extremely well on the big ice in Colorado Springs last January (at least until they were totally gassed). So I don't think the big ice would hurt us. The program has changed since the last time we played in LP.

for the record, our record in the ECACs at Lake Placid:

1996: 2-0 (whoohoo)
1997: 2-0 (whoohoo)
1998: 0-1 (lost play-in game)
2000; 1-2 (won play in, lost consy)
2001: 1-1 (2nd place)
2002: 1-1 (2nd place. lost in 2OT)

Overall: 7-5, with 4 trips to the final and 2 championships.  Not too shabby, overall, and hard to complain TOO much about the last time we played there.  :)

Agreed!  My point is that the ice size probably had more of a negative impact on Cornell teams ten years ago than it would today. Even then the effect was not large enough to, by itself, determine the result of the tournament.

Steve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Quote from: Jim HylaSteve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Mr. Hagwell said he's going to LP this week and will bring up the cancelation policy. In a later email to me, he agreed that before the quarterfinals was not how it should be.

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Quote from: Jim HylaSteve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Mr. Hagwell said he's going to LP this week and will bring up the cancelation policy. In a later email to me, he agreed that before the quarterfinals was not how it should be.

So the league didn't address it at all before signing up for LP?

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Quote from: Jim HylaSteve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Mr. Hagwell said he's going to LP this week and will bring up the cancelation policy. In a later email to me, he agreed that before the quarterfinals was not how it should be.

So the league didn't address it at all before signing up for LP?

You thought they would?  These are the genii who signed up for Atlantic City.

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Quote from: Jim HylaSteve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Mr. Hagwell said he's going to LP this week and will bring up the cancelation policy. In a later email to me, he agreed that before the quarterfinals was not how it should be.

So the league didn't address it at all before signing up for LP?

Unclear what sway the arena schedulers / bookers have over the individual hotels. Unless when the arena books other events it puts the hotels that have been nice, not the ones who've been naughty, on an approved lodging list. The ECAC certainly doesn't want to be in the business of guaranteeing hotel rooms and finding the final four teams are all low-draw schools.

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Quote from: Jim HylaSteve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Mr. Hagwell said he's going to LP this week and will bring up the cancelation policy. In a later email to me, he agreed that before the quarterfinals was not how it should be.

So the league didn't address it at all before signing up for LP?

Unclear what sway the arena schedulers / bookers have over the individual hotels. Unless when the arena books other events it puts the hotels that have been nice, not the ones who've been naughty, on an approved lodging list. The ECAC certainly doesn't want to be in the business of guaranteeing hotel rooms and finding the final four teams are all low-draw schools.

Seems to me the ECACH could have told the LP organizers to get the hotels to commit or forget about hosting the tournament.

We have a cabin outside Lake Placid and spend time in town; over the summer I heard a number of merchants in LP complaining about how disorganized Lake Placid's promotions efforts are. Which could mean they're disorganized or business is never good enough to suit the merchants and of course it's somebody else's fault. So if this sampling of merchants is typical, it might be hard to get them to see things Lake Placid's way. For us personally, we'd be hard-pressed to want to book a room in advance on the chance we're not seeing Cornell play.

(One of the merchant complaints seemed basic and legit: They just want a timely summary of what's going on in town at the arena, expected attendance, and when the event lets out, so they can decide to bring on extra wait staff. This complaint I heard as the bar was wall-to-wall lacrosse players. LP's summer lax tournaments are big draws.)

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Quote from: Jim HylaSteve Hagwell will be on Ken Schott's radio program, "Slap Schotts", (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/03/bennett-hagwell-on-season-debut-of-slap-schotts-th/) Thursday AM to discuss the ECAC move. If I remember from last year, there is a online or podcast replay afterward. I plan on asking about the hotel situation. Maybe someone wants to ask about official date for coaches practices.

Mr. Hagwell said he's going to LP this week and will bring up the cancelation policy. In a later email to me, he agreed that before the quarterfinals was not how it should be.

So the league didn't address it at all before signing up for LP?

Unclear what sway the arena schedulers / bookers have over the individual hotels.

Indeed. But it's quite clear what sway the league has over determining where their own tournament is held. As in, "Hey LP organizers, if this hotel thing continues to be a problem, I'm not sure this location is the best one for our fans."

Quote from: Jordan 04Indeed. But it's quite clear what sway the league has over determining where their own tournament is held. As in, "Hey LP organizers, if this hotel thing continues to be a problem, I'm not sure this location is the best one for our fans."

I think you may be overestimating the amount of business the ECACs bring in.  My impression of LP is that it's fed in winter by skiing and other weekend warrior activities.  The kind of weather-related things where the hotels want the one week cancellation insurance policy.

No harm trying, of course, but I doubt the ECAC really matters in their balance sheets.

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Quote from: Jordan 04Indeed. But it's quite clear what sway the league has over determining where their own tournament is held. As in, "Hey LP organizers, if this hotel thing continues to be a problem, I'm not sure this location is the best one for our fans."

I think you may be overestimating the amount of business the ECACs bring in.  My impression of LP is that it's fed in winter by skiing and other weekend warrior activities.  The kind of weather-related things where the hotels want the one week cancellation insurance policy.

No harm trying, of course, but I doubt the ECAC really matters in their balance sheets.

I think you missed the point.  If the LP organizers can't deliver an appropriate hotel cancellation policy, the ECACH shouldn't hold its tournament there.  That's a matter of deciding, not "trying," on the part of the ECACH.

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Quote from: Jordan 04Indeed. But it's quite clear what sway the league has over determining where their own tournament is held. As in, "Hey LP organizers, if this hotel thing continues to be a problem, I'm not sure this location is the best one for our fans."

I think you may be overestimating the amount of business the ECACs bring in.  My impression of LP is that it's fed in winter by skiing and other weekend warrior activities.  The kind of weather-related things where the hotels want the one week cancellation insurance policy.

No harm trying, of course, but I doubt the ECAC really matters in their balance sheets.

Presumably they were the highest bidder for the tournament, so apparently they see some value in bringing the business to their town that weekend.

Quote from: Jordan 04Presumably they were the highest bidder for the tournament, so apparently they see some value in bringing the business to their town that weekend.

There's a difference between the building's management group and the hotel community.  The hotels need commitments -- why should they risk having thousands of late cancellations if the big fan bases lose in the QF?  What enticement can the rink offer them to swallow that risk?  Short of insuring late cancellation fees at the hotels, what can they do?

Quote from: Al DeFlorioIf the LP organizers can't deliver an appropriate hotel cancellation policy, the ECACH shouldn't hold its tournament there.  That's a matter of deciding, not "trying," on the part of the ECACH.

OK, I can see it as a show stopper criterion.  I don't see how the rink could ever make it happen, but sure, the ECAC could impose any restriction it wanted on the qualification of a bid.

Quote from: Jordan 04Presumably they were the highest bidder for the tournament, so apparently they see some value in bringing the business to their town that weekend.

I can't vouch for the accuracy or credibility of this, but the Albany organizers claim they were the high bidder.

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Quote from: Jordan 04Presumably they were the highest bidder for the tournament, so apparently they see some value in bringing the business to their town that weekend.

There's a difference between the building's management group and the hotel community.  The hotels need commitments -- why should they risk having thousands of late cancellations if the big fan bases lose in the QF?  What enticement can the rink offer them to swallow that risk?  Short of insuring late cancellation fees at the hotels, what can they do?

What I suggested to Mr. Hagwell was something like cancellation some time Sunday, or Monday AM. That way there would be plenty of time for them to get their rooms filled by fans of other schools. And, although I didn't mention it, it could be only for those that are close in. If places in Saranac Lake didn't want to, OK. I can't believe that a hotel, in town and close enough to walk to the rink, is ever going to have to worry about not having someone pick up an empty room. OK, maybe one empty room, but not like thousands.

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Quote from: Jordan 04Presumably they were the highest bidder for the tournament, so apparently they see some value in bringing the business to their town that weekend.

There's a difference between the building's management group and the hotel community.  The hotels need commitments -- why should they risk having thousands of late cancellations if the big fan bases lose in the QF?  What enticement can the rink offer them to swallow that risk?  Short of insuring late cancellation fees at the hotels, what can they do?

What I suggested to Mr. Hagwell was something like cancellation some time Sunday, or Monday AM. That way there would be plenty of time for them to get their rooms filled by fans of other schools. And, although I didn't mention it, it could be only for those that are close in. If places in Saranac Lake didn't want to, OK. I can't believe that a hotel, in town and close enough to walk to the rink, is ever going to have to worry about not having someone pick up an empty room. OK, maybe one empty room, but not like thousands.

Just wait for the Colgate, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth ECAC Final Weekend

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Quote from: Jordan 04Presumably they were the highest bidder for the tournament, so apparently they see some value in bringing the business to their town that weekend.

There's a difference between the building's management group and the hotel community.  The hotels need commitments -- why should they risk having thousands of late cancellations if the big fan bases lose in the QF?  What enticement can the rink offer them to swallow that risk?  Short of insuring late cancellation fees at the hotels, what can they do?

I was not saying the onus is on the arena's management to ensure that there are ECAC fan-friendly hotel policies.  Rather, ensuring that the location, venue, and surrounding accommodations are as fan-friendly as they can be are the responsibility, IMO, of the league as part of their site selection process. Hence my confusion that Hagwell would look to address this after they committed to the location.

(As to your comment, there's a reason CVB's exist.  It's routine for a city's biggest tourism draws to work with local accommodations to ensure the market is doing what they can to make the destination the strongest draw possible for discretionary spending. And maybe in Lake Placid's case they have done this, and continue to conclude that stringent cancellation policies are the best course of action. Or maybe the tourist attractions wish the hotel's were more lenient. Who knows.)

Quote from: Jordan 04Hence my confusion that Hagwell would look to address this after they committed to the location.

How aware do you think Hagwell and the league were that this was a concern?

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Quote from: Jordan 04Hence my confusion that Hagwell would look to address this after they committed to the location.

How aware do you think Hagwell and the league were that this was a concern?

I don't know. I have no way of knowing (or even estimating) that.

Maybe the hurricane could make Boardwalk Hall unusable.

Quote from: nyc94Maybe the hurricane could make Boardwalk Hall unusable.

I was not the only one thinking it. My fantasy was:

"Boardwalk hall collapsed!"
--"Was anyone injured?"
"Thank God, no!"
--"Ok, in that case... good."

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Quote from: nyc94Maybe the hurricane could make Boardwalk Hall unusable.

I was not the only one thinking it. My fantasy was:

"Boardwalk hall collapsed!"
--"Was anyone injured?"
"Thank God, no!"
--"Ok, in that case... good."

I was just thinking that, too, after looking at this: In Memoriam: Atlantic City Boardwalk (http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/40-images-of-the-decimated-atlantic-city-boardwalk)

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Quote from: nyc94Maybe the hurricane could make Boardwalk Hall unusable.

I was not the only one thinking it. My fantasy was:

"Boardwalk hall collapsed!"
--"Was anyone injured?"
"Thank God, no!"
--"Ok, in that case... good."

I was just thinking that, too, after looking at this: In Memoriam: Atlantic City Boardwalk (http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/40-images-of-the-decimated-atlantic-city-boardwalk)

Wow. I feel bad for the sand dunes.

Quote from: nyc94Maybe the hurricane could make Boardwalk Hall unusable.

I too am guilty of those thoughts. Glad I'm not the only one with a dark side like that.

I hope everyone in the path of Sandy stays safe.

Hurricane Sandy could affect March's ECAC Hockey championships in Atlantic City (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/29/hurricane-sandy-could-affect-marchs-ecac-hockey-ch/)

Mostly just speculation and not much content, but still somewhat interesting nonetheless.

Hopefully it will be fine.  If not AC, then hopefully Albany.

There's going to be a huge amount of money pumped into AC by March.  If it were a December event I'd worry; by then everything will be fine.

This is a Good Thing, because we've never won it at Boardwalk.

Quote from: TrotskyThere's going to be a huge amount of money pumped into AC by March.  If it were a December event I'd worry; by then everything will be fine.

This is a Good Thing, because we've never won it at Boardwalk.

If I recall correctly, the record is that Cornell has won in every host city, not every venue, from what you've said before because Cornell did not win in one Boston venue, so as long as Atlantic City still hosts the 2013 ECAC Championships Cornell should have its chance. I might be wrong about this fact though.

I do hope the Hall in AC is okay though.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinIf I recall correctly, the record is that Cornell has won in every host city, not every venue, from what you've said before because Cornell did not win in one Boston venue

Correct, the first four (?) tourneys were held in Matthews Arena (then Boston Arena) and Cornell did not win there.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinI do hope the Hall in AC is okay though.

However bad the location may be for the ECAC, BH is a beautiful building, at least judging from what I saw on TV.

We're still in AC. Ken Schott reports: (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/31/superstorm-sandy-cant-knock-ecac-hockey-championsh/)

QuoteSuperstorm Sandy can't knock ECAC Hockey championships out of Atlantic City
By Ken Schott
Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Superstorm Sandy wasn't strong enough to knock the ECAC Hockey championships out of Atlantic City, N.J.

After receiving some encouraging reports from officials of Boardwalk Hall, where the championships will take place, ECACH commissioner Steve Hagwell said on Wednesday that the league's final four will remain in Atlantic City.

"The [underground] parking garage got a little water, but the building is fine," Hagwell said. "It didn't sustain any damage."

This is the final year of the league's three-year deal in Atlantic City. The tournament moves to Lake Placid for three years starting in 2014.

Excellent!

And FWIW, the portion of the boardwalk that was destroyed was an extension, not the main section that runs past the main beaches and casinos.  But it makes good media hype so it was "The Boardwalk."

Might as well post it here, rather than a new thread. Ken Schott reports on selection of NCAA Regionals for 2014. (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/nov/01/ncaa-hockey-tournament-2014-regional-sites-selecte/)

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NCAA hockey tournament 2014 regional sites selected
By Ken Schott
Thursday, November 1, 2012

The sites have been selected for the 2014 NCAA men's hockey tournament regionals, it was announced Thursday.

The East Regional will be at the Webster Bank Arena in Bridgeport, Conn. The Northeast Regional is at the DCU Center in Worcester, Mass. The Midwest Regional takes place at the U.S. Bank Arena in Cincinnati. The Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis will host the West Regional.

The 2014 Frozen Four is at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia.

The 2014 NCAA women's tournament Final Four will be held at the TD Bank Sports Center, home of Quinnipiac, in Hamden, Conn.

The East and Midwest regionals will take place March 28-29, 2014, while the Northeast and West regionals are March 29-30.

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2012/11/01/ncaa-gives-2014-mens-regionals-to-worcester-bridgeport-st-paul-cincinnati/#ixzz2B0URId3m

Quote from: Jim HylaMight as well post it here, rather than a new thread. Ken Schott reports on selection of NCAA Regionals for 2014. (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/nov/01/ncaa-hockey-tournament-2014-regional-sites-selecte/)

QuoteParting Schotts
NCAA hockey tournament 2014 regional sites selected
By Ken Schott
Thursday, November 1, 2012

The sites have been selected for the 2014 NCAA men's hockey tournament regionals, it was announced Thursday.

The East Regional will be at the Webster Bank Arena in Bridgeport, Conn. The Northeast Regional is at the DCU Center in Worcester, Mass. The Midwest Regional takes place at the U.S. Bank Arena in Cincinnati. The Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis will host the West Regional.

The 2014 Frozen Four is at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia.

The 2014 NCAA women's tournament Final Four will be held at the TD Bank Sports Center, home of Quinnipiac, in Hamden, Conn.

No doubt about it I'm moving to Bridgeport.:-(

Albany's last regional was in 2010.  Looks like it's not returning.  Is this due to poor ticket sales?  If so, why didn't the ECACHL move to Bridgeport???

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Quote from: nyc94Maybe the hurricane could make Boardwalk Hall unusable.

I too am guilty of those thoughts. Glad I'm not the only one with a dark side like that.

I hope everyone in the path of Sandy stays safe.

When I wrote that I was watching CNN's field reporter being blown around the streets of AC and that person made it sound like most people had evacuated so I didn't feel too guilty at the time. Then my power went out and I have pretty much no idea what happened. Hope everyone else made it through ok.

Quote from: Jim HylaMight as well post it here, rather than a new thread. Ken Schott reports on selection of NCAA Regionals for 2014. (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/nov/01/ncaa-hockey-tournament-2014-regional-sites-selecte/)

QuoteParting Schotts
NCAA hockey tournament 2014 regional sites selected
By Ken Schott
Thursday, November 1, 2012

The sites have been selected for the 2014 NCAA men's hockey tournament regionals, it was announced Thursday.

The East Regional will be at the Webster Bank Arena in Bridgeport, Conn. The Northeast Regional is at the DCU Center in Worcester, Mass. The Midwest Regional takes place at the U.S. Bank Arena in Cincinnati. The Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis will host the West Regional.

The 2014 Frozen Four is at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia.

The 2014 NCAA women's tournament Final Four will be held at the TD Bank Sports Center, home of Quinnipiac, in Hamden, Conn.

Have their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

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Quote from: Jim HylaMight as well post it here, rather than a new thread. Ken Schott reports on selection of NCAA Regionals for 2014. (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/nov/01/ncaa-hockey-tournament-2014-regional-sites-selecte/)

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NCAA hockey tournament 2014 regional sites selected
By Ken Schott
Thursday, November 1, 2012

The sites have been selected for the 2014 NCAA men's hockey tournament regionals, it was announced Thursday.

The East Regional will be at the Webster Bank Arena in Bridgeport, Conn. The Northeast Regional is at the DCU Center in Worcester, Mass. The Midwest Regional takes place at the U.S. Bank Arena in Cincinnati. The Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis will host the West Regional.

The 2014 Frozen Four is at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia.

The 2014 NCAA women's tournament Final Four will be held at the TD Bank Sports Center, home of Quinnipiac, in Hamden, Conn.

Have their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

According to the article on USCHO, no.

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Quote from: Jim HylaMight as well post it here, rather than a new thread. Ken Schott reports on selection of NCAA Regionals for 2014. (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/nov/01/ncaa-hockey-tournament-2014-regional-sites-selecte/)

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NCAA hockey tournament 2014 regional sites selected
By Ken Schott
Thursday, November 1, 2012

The sites have been selected for the 2014 NCAA men's hockey tournament regionals, it was announced Thursday.

The East Regional will be at the Webster Bank Arena in Bridgeport, Conn. The Northeast Regional is at the DCU Center in Worcester, Mass. The Midwest Regional takes place at the U.S. Bank Arena in Cincinnati. The Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis will host the West Regional.

The 2014 Frozen Four is at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia.

The 2014 NCAA women's tournament Final Four will be held at the TD Bank Sports Center, home of Quinnipiac, in Hamden, Conn.

Have their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

According to the article on USCHO, no.

And also from the USCHO article the dates are:  The East and Midwest regionals will take place March 28-29, 2014, while the Northeast and West regionals are March 29-30.

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2012/11/01/ncaa-gives-2014-mens-regionals-to-worcester-bridgeport-st-paul-cincinnati/#ixzz2B0URId3m

Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

A broken pipe (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2012/11/01_cincinnati_among_2014_ncaa.php) during the semi-final game between Vermont and CC that cause really bad ice and IIRC a very long delay.

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

A broken pipe (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2012/11/01_cincinnati_among_2014_ncaa.php) during the semi-final game between Vermont and CC that cause really bad ice and IIRC a very long delay.

Sounds like the typical rink I play at. ;-)  Thanks for the link: Google had nothing to say about "1996 cincinnati ncaa hockey mess". Shocking.

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

Sorry that I wasn't more specific.

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

A broken pipe (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2012/11/01_cincinnati_among_2014_ncaa.php) during the semi-final game between Vermont and CC that cause really bad ice and IIRC a very long delay.

Sounds like the typical rink I play at. ;-)  Thanks for the link: Google had nothing to say about "1996 cincinnati ncaa hockey mess". Shocking.

I was there (my first FF) and it was impressive.  Impressively bad.  They played the second semi with half the rink looking like a lake. IIRC the ice wasn't muhc better on Saturday for the final.

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

Sorry that I wasn't more specific.

Wrong response: you should instead be rolling your eyes at me for not having been there in 1996 and not knowing first-hand. :-)

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

Sorry that I wasn't more specific.

Wrong response: you should instead be rolling your eyes at me for not having been there in 1996 and not knowing first-hand. :-)

Typical.

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Quote from: ursusminorHave their been any NCAA hockey games in Cincinnati since that mess in 1996?

To what does this refer?

Sorry that I wasn't more specific.

Wrong response: you should instead be rolling your eyes at me for not having been there in 1996 and not knowing first-hand. :-)

Typical.

Uh oh ...

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Yeah, that.

Quinnipiac to host 2014 Women's Frozen Four (http://www.quchronicle.com/2012/11/quinnipiac-to-host-2014-womens-frozen-four/)

Women's FF comes back East, to a venue we're familiar with.

Quote"Quinnipiac might not have the biggest building in college sports, but we have by far the best," Director of Athletics and Recreation Jack McDonald said.

By far. Especially if you enjoy concrete bunkers.

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Quote"Quinnipiac might not have the biggest building in college sports, but we have by far the best," Director of Athletics and Recreation Jack McDonald said.

By far. Especially if you enjoy concrete bunkers.

You know who else enjoyed concrete bunkers?

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Quote"Quinnipiac might not have the biggest building in college sports, but we have by far the best," Director of Athletics and Recreation Jack McDonald said.

By far. Especially if you enjoy concrete bunkers.

You know who else enjoyed concrete bunkers?

Heh, excellent.

But really, I've been thinking about the above quote, because there's more humor to be mined. They might not have the biggest building in college sports, but what if they DID? What if Quinnipiac University randomly had a 115,000 seat venue? I think the Deertick Bobcat fans should demand that. Maybe THEN they would build more than one traffic-riddled access road to get to it.

Interesting that AC or the ECAC perhaps could have cited physical problems and backed out of year 3. Either the Albany Civic Center had a booking that weekend, or AC believed that no matter how soft the turnout, it  beat having nothing at all.

Quote from: billhowardInteresting that AC or the ECAC perhaps could have cited physical problems and backed out of year 3. Either the Albany Civic Center had a booking that weekend, or AC believed that no matter how soft the turnout, it  beat having nothing at all.

The ECAC probably did not want to jump to Albany for only a single year.  If the tourney did poorly that would be no benefit, and if it did well then it would be awkward to immediately move on to LP.

Boardwalk Hall may have contracts with food and merchandise vendors, marketing firms, security companies, cleaners etc which they are still on the hook for if they cancel an event.

Redevelopment of the Kingsbridge Armory in the Bronx to possibly include nine rinks, one with 5,000 seats.  Hockey in the Bronx?  Anyone?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/decision-imminent-fate-kingsbridge-armory-article-1.1322131

Quote from: nyc94Redevelopment of the Kingsbridge Armory in the Bronx to possibly include nine rinks, one with 5,000 seats.  Hockey in the Bronx?  Anyone?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/decision-imminent-fate-kingsbridge-armory-article-1.1322131

I certainly beats Placid!

CUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

They're going to have to Robert Moses about 500 homes to build parking.  Right now there's zippo.

Quote from: TrotskyCUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

It's not that far from Columbia's athletic facilities.  Maybe it could be home to the Skating Lions.

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Quote from: TrotskyCUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

It's not that far from Columbia's athletic facilities.  Maybe it could be home to the Skating Lions.

(http://www.cuhockey.net/content/teamPhotos/2010-11.jpg)

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Quote from: TrotskyCUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

It's not that far from Columbia's athletic facilities.  Maybe it could be home to the Skating Lions.

(http://www.cuhockey.net/content/teamPhotos/2010-11.jpg)

Personally, I would find it fantastic if Penn brought their program back and Columbia started a D-I program.  Even beyond Yale's recent championship, I think the past 10-12 years featuring strong teams from Cornell and Harvard and even Princeton have shown that schools with Ivy League restrictions (and advantages, to be fair) can be competitive on a national scale, and a fully participating Ivy League would be all the more entertaining because of this.  Plus it could open up a legitimate conversation about having our tournament in NYC if a local team were part of the conference.

(Yes, I know this is all pipe dreams and hypotheticals, but that's what the offseason is for.)

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Quote from: TrotskyCUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

It's not that far from Columbia's athletic facilities.  Maybe it could be home to the Skating Lions.

(http://www.cuhockey.net/content/teamPhotos/2010-11.jpg)

Personally, I would find it fantastic if Penn brought their program back and Columbia started a D-I program.  Even beyond Yale's recent championship, I think the past 10-12 years featuring strong teams from Cornell and Harvard and even Princeton have shown that schools with Ivy League restrictions (and advantages, to be fair) can be competitive on a national scale, and a fully participating Ivy League would be all the more entertaining because of this.  Plus it could open up a legitimate conversation about having our tournament in NYC if a local team were part of the conference.

(Yes, I know this is all pipe dreams and hypotheticals, but that's what the offseason is for.)

Having NYC and Philly in the conference wouldn't hurt our exposure, either.

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Quote from: TrotskyCUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

It's not that far from Columbia's athletic facilities.  Maybe it could be home to the Skating Lions.

(http://www.cuhockey.net/content/teamPhotos/2010-11.jpg)

Personally, I would find it fantastic if Penn brought their program back and Columbia started a D-I program.  Even beyond Yale's recent championship, I think the past 10-12 years featuring strong teams from Cornell and Harvard and even Princeton have shown that schools with Ivy League restrictions (and advantages, to be fair) can be competitive on a national scale, and a fully participating Ivy League would be all the more entertaining because of this.  Plus it could open up a legitimate conversation about having our tournament in NYC if a local team were part of the conference.

(Yes, I know this is all pipe dreams and hypotheticals, but that's what the offseason is for.)

Having NYC and Philly in the conference wouldn't hurt our exposure, either.

Thopugh it might giove someone the thought of having the tournament in AC again.  ::doh::

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Quote from: TrotskyCUNY Lehman can replace Quinnipiac when they bolt to HE.

It's not that far from Columbia's athletic facilities.  Maybe it could be home to the Skating Lions.

(http://www.cuhockey.net/content/teamPhotos/2010-11.jpg)

Personally, I would find it fantastic if Penn brought their program back and Columbia started a D-I program.  Even beyond Yale's recent championship, I think the past 10-12 years featuring strong teams from Cornell and Harvard and even Princeton have shown that schools with Ivy League restrictions (and advantages, to be fair) can be competitive on a national scale, and a fully participating Ivy League would be all the more entertaining because of this.  Plus it could open up a legitimate conversation about having our tournament in NYC if a local team were part of the conference.

(Yes, I know this is all pipe dreams and hypotheticals, but that's what the offseason is for.)

Having NYC and Philly in the conference wouldn't hurt our exposure, either.

Thopugh it might giove someone the thought of having the tournament in AC again.  ::doh::

I can imagine the thought process there:

"You know what's awesome? NEW YORK CITY. It has tons of great restaurants, attractions for families, lots to do when the tournament is not in session, it's not too far from any ECAC school (except perhaps Clarkson and SLU, which are far from everything), lots of decent hotels a few miles out for people who can't afford $200/night, public transit for the convenience of visitors, and a built-in fan base comprising alumni from every school.

"But we can't afford NYC. So, how about Atlantic City? It's only two hours from NYC!"

Ugh.

NYC doesn't have skiing.  And Lake Placid is only 1 1/2 hrs from my house in Vermont :-)

Google map (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217339860586879284015.00048b5ab2467636927a3&msa=0&ll=42.236652,-73.773193&spn=6.409,12.700195) updated.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

Northern Quebecois.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

Northern Quebecois.

I am guilty of being yellow-pin-centric.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

It's just one winter.


... that lasts four years.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

It's just one winter.


... that lasts four years.

Insert Ned Stark meme here.

Chaos isn't a pit.  It's a ladder.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

I've been told my someone on this board it contains the greatest engineering school in the history of mankind.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

I've been told my someone on this board it contains the greatest engineering school in the history of mankind.

Which begs the question "Is Rich S. alive and kicking?" I know that we used to kick the S. out of him here, but I kind of miss his malevolence

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

I've been told my someone on this board it contains the greatest engineering school in the history of mankind.

Which begs the question "Is Rich S. alive and kicking?"

It would, uh, appear perhaps not: http://www.letsgotech.com/roundtable/showthread.php?2205-Rich-Stamboulian (I assume that's him) :(

Well, this thread just got awkward real quickly.

He was what makes a rivalry fun because he didn't mind the give and take, sad to see him go.

Oh.... um.... wow... ok.

This took an unexpected turn.

Somebody ought to send the family a note of condolence and appreciation for his being a hockey fan and generally good natured. Maybe they'll be relieved to learn Rich was trolling hockey forums when they feared it was porn sites. Rich, maybe you'll have a better view of the goal mouth now. Farewell.

Quote from: French RageWell, this thread just got awkward real quickly.

One of real life's salutary effects is putting all the twaddle in its proper place.

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Who would want to spend four winters in yellow balloon land?

I've been told my someone on this board it contains the greatest engineering school in the history of mankind.

Which begs the question "Is Rich S. alive and kicking?"

It would, uh, appear perhaps not: http://www.letsgotech.com/roundtable/showthread.php?2205-Rich-Stamboulian (I assume that's him) :(

That's too bad. I remember him referencing an illness after returning from an eLynah hiatus a few years ago.

Quote from: billhowardSomebody ought to send the family a note of condolence and appreciation for his being a hockey fan and generally good natured. Maybe they'll be relieved to learn Rich was trolling hockey forums when they feared it was porn sites. Rich, maybe you'll have a better view of the goal mouth now. Farewell.

Bill, nice note on the obit page. Thanks

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Quote from: billhowardSomebody ought to send the family a note of condolence and appreciation for his being a hockey fan and generally good natured. Maybe they'll be relieved to learn Rich was trolling hockey forums when they feared it was porn sites. Rich, maybe you'll have a better view of the goal mouth now. Farewell.

Bill, nice note on the obit page. Thanks

Seemed like we ought to say goodbye. You could see from his obit that Rich S was a decent guy and under 60 is way too young to go. And I did a remote remembrance / eulogy for Percy Shore, 1970s hockey ref, upon his posthumous induction into the Toronto or Ontario Jewish Athletes Hall of Fame . The video link of the event posted by another eLynah member showed it got a decent laugh. Now I'm gonna be typecast.

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Quote from: billhowardSomebody ought to send the family a note of condolence and appreciation for his being a hockey fan and generally good natured. Maybe they'll be relieved to learn Rich was trolling hockey forums when they feared it was porn sites. Rich, maybe you'll have a better view of the goal mouth now. Farewell.

Bill, nice note on the obit page. Thanks

Agreed.  Well said, Bill, thank you.

Must ... restrain ... self ... from ... expressing ... opinion ...

Instead, I'll just point out that the place where Rich S. had his first date was recently in the news (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/nyregion/new-jersey-officials-detail-bid-by-tick-tock-diner-manager-to-have-uncle-killed.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0).

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Instead, I'll just point out that the place where Rich S. had his first date was recently in the news (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/nyregion/new-jersey-officials-detail-bid-by-tick-tock-diner-manager-to-have-uncle-killed.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0).

"Eat heavy"?

Was just in lake Placid on thursday for the first time in a few years. The facility has been upgraded and the town is already promoting the ECAC Playoffs. Now lets just be sure to get there. I'm tempted to make reservations now but hope I'm not doing my best talking about a no hitter jinx.

It is interesting that Belber hasn't given up on the NCAA hockey regionals.  I thought that was a no go once Lake Placid won the ECAC battle.  I can hope. This topic hit when the hotel renovation was announced earlier this week.

Troy Record - but not an Ed Weaver gem (http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2013/08/09/sports/doc520476944c9b5472978359.txt)

Quote from: martyIt is interesting that Belber hasn't given up on the NCAA hockey regionals.  I thought that was a no go once Lake Placid won the ECAC battle.  I can hope. This topic hit when the hotel renovation was announced earlier this week.
Troy Record - but not an Ed Weaver gem (http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2013/08/09/sports/doc520476944c9b5472978359.txt)

For hockey, capacity is 14,236 in case there's a large draw. If I recall, the center's other desirable attribute is draping that closes off the upper half if this one draws like other NCAA hockey regionals in recent past years.

Through 2017, Albany is bidding on women's basketball, men's ice hockey, and women's volleyball.

More lodging available in Lake Placid. The Hampton Inn at the end of Mirror Lake, the end 5 minutes walk from the rink, finally opened just before the Ironman a the end of July. Could be the ECAC has already sewed up the rooms. Still, it's a great location next to the Lake Placid Pub & Brewery:

(http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/external/1388773_3970940_196788281_WebSmall_2/0_0_a203559120708f8e2a860a95792da44c_1)


The Pub has its priorities straight. Cornell pennant is in the front window overlooking the lake (although it does not appear to be the current, University-approved bear image):

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The Yale pennant is stuck in back behind a service station:

(http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/external/1388773_3970940_196788285_WebSmall_2/0_0_2fa989fdec03523f6471f7f418f6b5f0_1)

Quote from: billhoward...although it does not appear to be the current, University-approved bear image:

In other words, they have their priorities straight.

Lake Placid Pub and Brewery's Ubu Ale is not to be missed (in case anyone didn't realize that already).

Per a tweet from CHN, next year's championship weekend in Lake Placid will have three games instead of four (or five - ugh), as ECAC comes into line with the other leagues:

https://twitter.com/chnews/status/382546847002144768

Interesting, as the consolation game has seemed to be a make or break game for NCAA tourney chances for one of the participants many times in recent years (as with Cornell in 2012)

Quote from: scoop85Interesting, as the consolation game has seemed to be a make or break game for NCAA tourney chances for one of the participants many times in recent years (as with Cornell in 2012)

This was my first thought as well.

I guess the coaches really hate consies, otherwise it seems like a good way to depress tourney revenue for absolutely nothing gained.

Quote from: TrotskyI guess the coaches really hate consies, otherwise it seems like a good way to depress tourney revenue for absolutely nothing gained.

How does a consy depress revenue. It increases expenses, but maybe I'm missing something. God knows it's happened many times before.

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Quote from: TrotskyI guess the coaches really hate consies, otherwise it seems like a good way to depress tourney revenue for absolutely nothing gained.

How does a consy depress revenue. It increases expenses, but maybe I'm missing something. God knows it's happened many times before.

Cutting the consety depresses revenue.

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Quote from: TrotskyI guess the coaches really hate consies, otherwise it seems like a good way to depress tourney revenue for absolutely nothing gained.

How does a consy depress revenue. It increases expenses, but maybe I'm missing something. God knows it's happened many times before.

Cutting the consety depresses revenue.

One extra game, one more chance for people to buy concessions, less reason for fans of the semi- losers to leave town.

As much as would have hated to part from scenic AC after the Harvard debacle in 2012, I only stayed for the consy because I knew a win over Colgate would get us in to the NCAA's.

Quote from: scoop85Interesting, as the consolation game has seemed to be a make or break game for NCAA tourney chances for one of the participants many times in recent years (as with Cornell in 2012)

I ran one of those DIY Pairwise scripts back in 2012 and at the time was pretty sure Cornell would have made the NCAA field if there had not been a consolation game.

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Quote from: TrotskyI guess the coaches really hate consies, otherwise it seems like a good way to depress tourney revenue for absolutely nothing gained.

How does a consy depress revenue. It increases expenses, but maybe I'm missing something. God knows it's happened many times before.

Cutting the consety depresses revenue.

One extra game, one more chance for people to buy concessions, less reason for fans of the semi- losers to leave town.

But for us long-distance travellers, the second hotel night is already paid for.  That makes it harder to leave town if we're not in the finals.

It's the reason I always hated the Thursday night play-in game.