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Title: Men's Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on July 23, 2012, 08:26:14 AM
Hopefully the first of many preseason articles. This one by INCH on Bardreau. (http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2012/07/23/az_bardreau/)
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 01, 2012, 08:01:12 AM
Ok, so a "nice" way to get my preseason thread back up top. After all, it's the preseason, not off season.:-D

Anyway, Iles picked as goalie #3 in USCHO's list of 10 to watch. (http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/01/ten-to-watch-picking-college-hockeys-top-goalies-for-2012-13/)
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: nyc94 on October 01, 2012, 04:16:16 PM
First USCHO Poll (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2852QySLM)


1 Boston College (35) 33-10-1 972
2 Minnesota (12) 28-14-1 937
3 Michigan ( 3) 24-13-4 857
4 North Dakota 26-13-3 826
5 Union        26- 8-7 789
6 Cornell        19- 9-7 631
7 Massachusetts-Lowell 24-13-1 599
8 Denver        25-14-4 566
9 Miami        24-15-2 553
10 Western Michigan 21-14-6 516
11 Ferris State 26-12-5 472
12 Minnesota-Duluth 25-10-6 460
13 Boston University 23-15-1 413
14 Notre Dame 19-18-3 395
15 Maine        23-14-3 234
16 Michigan State 19-16-4 219
17 Harvard        13-10-11 213
18 Wisconsin 17-18-2 202
19 Air Force 21-11-7 116
20 Colorado College 18-16-2 81


Others receiving votes: New Hampshire 78, St. Cloud State 78, Quinnipiac 64, Ohio State 54, Merrimack 43, Nebraska-Omaha 31, Northern Michigan 25, Massachusetts 13, Lake Superior 12, Northeastern 11, Providence 8, Rochester Institute of Technology 6, Yale 6, Michigan Tech 5, Rensselaer 5, Mercyhurst 2, Minnesota State 2, Niagara 2, Colgate 1, St. Lawrence 1.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: ajh258 on October 02, 2012, 01:11:29 AM
Glad we're that high on the polls, but are they overrating us? I mean we're good but are we THAT good? Just curious
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 02, 2012, 07:17:34 AM
Ken Schott's preseason report on Union. (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/01/college-hockey-slap-schotts-2012-13-week-1-union-p/)
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Robb on October 02, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: ajh258Glad we're that high on the polls, but are they overrating us? I mean we're good but are we THAT good? Just curious
We nearly won the Cleary, were within a gnat's whisker of the Frozen Four last year, didn't lose too much, and we get Ferlin back - I don't think it's unreasonable to at least *hope* that we are that good.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 02, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
It is really weird thinking about those teams in terms of the new conferences...
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: css228 on October 02, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: ajh258Glad we're that high on the polls, but are they overrating us? I mean we're good but are we THAT good? Just curious
We did make a regional final last year without our star freshamn forward, or healthy contributions from Espo, and didn't really lose much. So I'd incline toward yes.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 03, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
TBRW Predictions (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Predictions.html)

1. Union
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Quinnipiac
5. RPI
6. St. Lawrence
7. Yale
8. Colgate
9. Princeton
10. Dartmouth
11. Clarkson
12. Brown
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 03, 2012, 06:59:32 AM
Quote from: TrotskyTBRW Predictions (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Predictions.html)

1. Union
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Quinnipiac
5. RPI
6. St. Lawrence
7. Yale
8. Colgate
9. Princeton
10. Dartmouth
11. Clarkson
12. Brown

My concern is the weighting of post-season upsets. When you give both + and -, then a loss, like we had to Harvard, gets double value. In fact that one game, as important as it was, is the only reason they are 2 and we are 3. I know it's meaningless, but have you ever run a variety of weightings thru and seen how the actually compare to the end result?
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 03, 2012, 02:28:01 PM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: TrotskyTBRW Predictions (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Predictions.html)

1. Union
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Quinnipiac
5. RPI
6. St. Lawrence
7. Yale
8. Colgate
9. Princeton
10. Dartmouth
11. Clarkson
12. Brown

My concern is the weighting of post-season upsets. When you give both + and -, then a loss, like we had to Harvard, gets double value. In fact that one game, as important as it was, is the only reason they are 2 and we are 3. I know it's meaningless, but have you ever run a variety of weightings thru and seen how the actually compare to the end result?

I've been meaning to actually do real correlation measures on the various factors... since about 1989.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: billhoward on October 03, 2012, 02:29:45 PM
Was Harvard the ECAC #2 to our #3 before or after the academic integrity flap hit? If they have to go to class and also study, that's going to cut into practice time. This is uncharted territory in Cambridge.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 03, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: TrotskyTBRW Predictions (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Predictions.html)

1. Union
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Quinnipiac
5. RPI
6. St. Lawrence
7. Yale
8. Colgate
9. Princeton
10. Dartmouth
11. Clarkson
12. Brown

My concern is the weighting of post-season upsets. When you give both + and -, then a loss, like we had to Harvard, gets double value. In fact that one game, as important as it was, is the only reason they are 2 and we are 3. I know it's meaningless, but have you ever run a variety of weightings thru and seen how the actually compare to the end result?

I've been meaning to actually do real correlation measures on the various factors... since about 1989.

Well then...::deadhorse::
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 04, 2012, 06:57:07 AM
USCHO on 6 sophomore coaches, including Casey. (http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/04/for-six-first-time-college-head-coaches-year-two-can-be-make-or-break/)
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Redscore on October 04, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
Uscho has run out of things to talk about.  What next,  the best non paid but not really full time and not really paid assistant, associate, teaching, coaching, semi-coaches?  Loserville here we comme.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: marty on October 04, 2012, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: RedscoreUscho has run out of things to talk about.  What next,  the best non paid but not really full time and not really paid assistant, associate, teaching, coaching, semi-coaches?  Loserville here we comme.

Best Zamboni resurfacing device driver?
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: jtn27 on October 04, 2012, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty
Quote from: RedscoreUscho has run out of things to talk about.  What next,  the best non paid but not really full time and not really paid assistant, associate, teaching, coaching, semi-coaches?  Loserville here we comme.

Best Zamboni resurfacing device driver?

Zamboni Dave has that one locked up.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: RatushnyFan on October 05, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: TrotskyI've been meaning to actually do real correlation measures on the various factors... since about 1989.
Harvard's national championship inspired you? ::wtf::
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 05, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: RatushnyFan
Quote from: TrotskyI've been meaning to actually do real correlation measures on the various factors... since about 1989.
Harvard's national championship inspired you? ::wtf::
Coincidence.  (But TBRW is actually since 1987-88, so I've been dragging my heels since November 1987).
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Aaron M. Griffin on October 06, 2012, 09:42:10 AM
Considering Maine, Merrimack, Quinnipiac, and Union will begin play this evening, I thought I would share this link (http://cornellhockeywaft.weebly.com/9/post/2012/10/starting-points.html) from the middle of the week.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 06, 2012, 11:14:33 AM
Announcement of the Red/White game. (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/10/5/MICE_1005121241.aspx)

It's almost here.::banana::
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: dbilmes on October 07, 2012, 12:37:29 PM
Quinnipiac has a transfer from Bowling Green, Jordan Samuels-Thomas, who led BG in scoring his first two seasons. He sat out last year after transferring and scored the GWG late in the third period against Maine last night. Apparently, both coaches had agreed to play 4-on-4 OT if it had come down to that! My guess is Schafer isn't going to want to play 4-on-4 in OT in non-league games when both coaches have to agree to do so.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: nyc94 on October 08, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
New USCHO poll: Cornell moves up one to 5.  Union falls to 10 after losing to Merrimack.  Quinnipiac enters poll at 18 after defeating Maine.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/08/mens-poll-sees-boston-college-still-holding-down-no-1-ranking/
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 08, 2012, 09:06:21 PM
Quote from: nyc94New USCHO poll: Cornell moves up one to 5.  Union falls to 10 after losing to Merrimack.  Quinnipiac enters poll at 18 after defeating Maine.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/08/mens-poll-sees-boston-college-still-holding-down-no-1-ranking/

The poll at this (http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/2012-2013/poll,1008/october-8,-2012/) link.

05 Cornell
10 Union
17 Harvard
18 Quinnipiac
33 RPI
34 Yale

Cornell in the top 5 for the first time since Feb 1, 2010.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: bnr24 on October 09, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
Anyone up for a laugh?

http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Rink-s-a-real-barn-burner-3925636.php

Here is my favorite excerpt:

QuoteMessa Rink is small, 37 years old and, for most fans, without chair-backs and cup-holders, let alone high-def replay monitors and waiter service.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 09, 2012, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: bnr24Anyone up for a laugh?

http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Rink-s-a-real-barn-burner-3925636.php

Here is my favorite excerpt:

QuoteMessa Rink is small, 37 years old and, for most fans, without chair-backs and cup-holders, let alone high-def replay monitors and waiter service.

Maybe before they build a new rink they should work on this one. According to Ken Schott: (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/08/college-hockey-slap-schotts-2012-13-week-2-rpi-pre/)

QuoteDisappointing ceremony

If you were at Messa Rink for the unfurling of the four banners from the 2011-12 season, did you think it was exciting?

To me, it was disappointing. The two spotlights barely showed the unfurling of the ECACH tournament and NCAA tournament championship banners. And, at least from my vantage point from the press box across the rink, we never saw the ECACH Cleary Cup and NCAA Frozen Four banners come down.

Union has the same problem last year. Next time, I hope they keep the lights on so fans can see what's going on.

Maybe they're not planning on a next time.:-D
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: RichH on October 09, 2012, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: bnr24Anyone up for a laugh?

http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Rink-s-a-real-barn-burner-3925636.php

Here is my favorite excerpt:

QuoteMessa Rink is small, 37 years old and, for most fans, without chair-backs and cup-holders, let alone high-def replay monitors and waiter service.

Maybe before they build a new rink they should work on this one. According to Ken Schott: (http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/schott/2012/oct/08/college-hockey-slap-schotts-2012-13-week-2-rpi-pre/)

QuoteDisappointing ceremony

If you were at Messa Rink for the unfurling of the four banners from the 2011-12 season, did you think it was exciting?

To me, it was disappointing. The two spotlights barely showed the unfurling of the ECACH tournament and NCAA tournament championship banners. And, at least from my vantage point from the press box across the rink, we never saw the ECACH Cleary Cup and NCAA Frozen Four banners come down.

Union has the same problem last year. Next time, I hope they keep the lights on so fans can see what's going on.

Maybe they're not planning on a next time.:-D

I guess my only problem with Union hoisting four banners is the redundancy of having separate "NCAA Regional Champion" and "Frozen Four" banners.

Edit: My mistake. It seems one lists the NCAA Tournament appearances, and the other is a Frozen Four banner. This is the only time I've ever seen the word "Whitelaw" on any banner in the league. I wonder now if the other says "Cleary Cup" ::barf::
 
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/15/44/16/3556281/7/628x471.jpg
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Swampy on October 09, 2012, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: nyc94New USCHO poll: Cornell moves up one to 5.  Union falls to 10 after losing to Merrimack.  Quinnipiac enters poll at 18 after defeating Maine.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/08/mens-poll-sees-boston-college-still-holding-down-no-1-ranking/

At this rate, maybe we should cancel all our scheduled games. If not losing (or playing) one game moves us up from #6 to #5, imagine where we'd be if we didn't play twenty or so games! ::woot::
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Al DeFlorio on October 09, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: nyc94New USCHO poll: Cornell moves up one to 5.  Union falls to 10 after losing to Merrimack.  Quinnipiac enters poll at 18 after defeating Maine.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/08/mens-poll-sees-boston-college-still-holding-down-no-1-ranking/

At this rate, maybe we should cancel all our scheduled games. If not losing (or playing) one game moves us up from #6 to #5, imagine where we'd be if we didn't play twenty or so games! ::woot::
Works almost as well as lacrosse, where you can schedule top teams, lose to them, and get a higher NCAA seeding.::screwy::
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: jtn27 on October 09, 2012, 08:43:04 PM
Quote from: RichHI guess my only problem with Union hoisting four banners is the redundancy of having separate "NCAA Regional Champion" and "Frozen Four" banners.

We should have Frozen Four Banners in addition to the NCAA Tournament (appearance) and National Champion banners.
Title: Re: Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 09, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: jtn27
Quote from: RichHI guess my only problem with Union hoisting four banners is the redundancy of having separate "NCAA Regional Champion" and "Frozen Four" banners.

We should have Frozen Four Banners in addition to the NCAA Tournament (appearance) and National Champion banners.

When we started the banners, NCAA Tournament Appearance banners were Frozen Four banners.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: rdez79 on October 10, 2012, 12:06:22 AM
This may have been covered in the off season, but roster only lists AI and Kanji for netminders
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: pfibiger on October 10, 2012, 08:56:23 AM
It was covered in the offseason :) About halfway down the page on this thread:

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,178684,page=3

Marozzi left and is playing pro hockey in Italy. We're not bringing in Mitch Gillam a year early, and we'll be going with two goalies.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: css228 on October 10, 2012, 10:36:23 AM
Quote from: pfibigerIt was covered in the offseason :) About halfway down the page on this thread:

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,178684,page=3

Marozzi left and is playing pro hockey in Italy. We're not bringing in Mitch Gillam a year early, and we'll be going with two goalies.
Which brings me to the point that as optimistic as I am about this season, it could all go very wrong, very quickly.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: TheMatrix on October 11, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
Interesting series of tweets from Brandon Thomas yesterday:
https://twitter.com/BThomasIthaca/status/256075154420031489
https://twitter.com/BThomasIthaca/status/256200120486461440
Edit:
https://twitter.com/BThomasIthaca/status/256451543241469952

No relation to John Esposito, it seems.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Weder on October 11, 2012, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: TheMatrixInteresting series of tweets from Brandon Thomas yesterday:
https://twitter.com/BThomasIthaca/status/256075154420031489
https://twitter.com/BThomasIthaca/status/256200120486461440
Edit:
https://twitter.com/BThomasIthaca/status/256451543241469952

No relation to John Esposito, it seems.

Hey, golf and hockey is a natural fit.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: RatushnyFan on October 11, 2012, 04:40:39 PM
Being 6'4" and 220 pounds is a good fit, too.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Scersk '97 on October 11, 2012, 04:45:59 PM
Quote from: WederHey, golf and hockey is a natural fit.

Wild to have a Bobcat on the team!
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Aaron M. Griffin on October 11, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
https://twitter.com/CornellWAFT/status/256567850637086720

Other than the misspelling of Iles's name and the incorrect ranking as of filming, the coverage is generally good and it provides some insight from the team.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 11, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
Quote from: WederHey, golf and hockey is a natural fit.
I would make a Rangers joke here, but as an Islander fan, um, carry on.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 12, 2012, 07:25:12 AM
So both CHN (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2012/10/11_ecac_what_to_watch,_2012-13.php) and USCHO have (http://www.uscho.com/2012/10/10/ecac-hockey-teams-chase-new-power-union-but-gap-isnt-big/) the same top 4 in their ECAC picks.

1 Union
2 Harvard
3 Cornell
4 Quinnipiac
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Jordan 04 on October 12, 2012, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: WederHey, golf and hockey is a natural fit.
I would make a Rangers joke here, but as an Islander fan, um, carry on.

They're all golfing right now for a while.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Jim Hyla on October 14, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
Red-White (http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/10/13/MICE_1013123419.aspx)
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: profudge on October 14, 2012, 10:56:06 AM
Very enjoyable Red and White game!  small crowd, but the pep band was loud and enthusiastic!  
Hard to tell in this scrimage but I was impressed with several of the first year players, and look forward to next weekend for an enjoyable first look at the team!
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: French Rage on October 14, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
Were there no threads on the ticket line this year?  I guess with a lottery there's less to talk about.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Trotsky on October 18, 2012, 06:59:29 PM
Summary of pre-season predictions here (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Preseason.html).  If anybody knows of others, please post them.
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: snert1288 on October 19, 2012, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: TrotskySummary of pre-season predictions here (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Preseason.html).  If anybody knows of others, please post them.
INCH came out with their ECAC Preview yesterday.  Big Red (http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2012/10/18/ecach_preview_1213/) is sitting on top!
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: RichH on October 22, 2012, 03:28:13 AM
Quote from: snert1288
Quote from: TrotskySummary of pre-season predictions here (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Preseason.html).  If anybody knows of others, please post them.
INCH came out with their ECAC Preview yesterday.  Big Red (http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2012/10/18/ecach_preview_1213/) is sitting on top!

One of the last things they ever did.

http://insidecollegehockey.com/INCH.htm
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Jordan 04 on October 22, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: snert1288
Quote from: TrotskySummary of pre-season predictions here (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Preseason.html).  If anybody knows of others, please post them.
INCH came out with their ECAC Preview yesterday.  Big Red (http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2012/10/18/ecach_preview_1213/) is sitting on top!

One of the last things they ever did.

http://insidecollegehockey.com/INCH.htm

Did not realize they were "and ESPN Associate", whatever that means. Guess that wasn't enough to keep them going?
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: Al DeFlorio on October 22, 2012, 08:39:38 AM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: snert1288
Quote from: TrotskySummary of pre-season predictions here (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Preseason.html).  If anybody knows of others, please post them.
INCH came out with their ECAC Preview yesterday.  Big Red (http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2012/10/18/ecach_preview_1213/) is sitting on top!

One of the last things they ever did.

http://insidecollegehockey.com/INCH.htm
Very unfortunate.  Most iconoclastic and insightful college hockey web site.:-/
Title: Re: Men's Preseason
Post by: RichH on October 22, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: Jordan 04
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: snert1288
Quote from: TrotskySummary of pre-season predictions here (http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/2013/2013_Preseason.html).  If anybody knows of others, please post them.
INCH came out with their ECAC Preview yesterday.  Big Red (http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2012/10/18/ecach_preview_1213/) is sitting on top!

One of the last things they ever did.

http://insidecollegehockey.com/INCH.htm

Did not realize they were "and ESPN Associate", whatever that means. Guess that wasn't enough to keep them going?

That "ESPN Associate" graphic has been there for a long time...within the first few years of INCH's existence.  My guess is that it meant that ESPN could cherry-pick INCH articles for their website in exchange for "legitimacy" by displaying ESPN's logo. Around tournament time there were a good number of INCH pieces on ESPN.com's college hockey section. Maybe there was an amount of cash involved as well; I don't want to speculate either way.