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Title: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Trotsky on April 05, 2012, 10:48:30 PM
One man's opinion (http://www.tbrw.info/tbrw_Indexes/tbrw_Awards_Index.html).
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: CowbellGuy on April 05, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
Going to have to disagree somewhat on Gotovets for Gage. He's not supposed to be in a supporting role. Not making smart decisions is what landed him in said role.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: scoop85 on April 05, 2012, 10:58:39 PM
Certainly agree on Hunwick -- amazing class he displayed after losing an OT game in the NCAA tournament.

As highly as I think of Espo, I think Collins was the MVP this season. He really raised his game in his Senior season.  That being said, I think Espo will have a huge season next year.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: jtn27 on April 05, 2012, 11:50:19 PM
Even though Esposito was clearly valuable to the team as evidenced by how they played when he was hurt, I don't think you can give the MVP to a guy that missed significant time. I would give it to Greg Miller for being the team leader in both goals and assists.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: BearLover on April 06, 2012, 04:11:48 AM
Quote from: jtn27Even though Esposito was clearly valuable to the team as evidenced by how they played when he was hurt, I don't think you can give the MVP to a guy that missed significant time. I would give it to Greg Miller for being the team leader in both goals and assists.
Yeah, it's gotta be Miller.

There should be a toughness award--Espo would certainly win that.

Birch, Lowry, and McCarron also stood out this year.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 06, 2012, 08:00:50 AM
I'm with Trotsky on Espo as the MVP for exactly the reason he said.  When he played the team played better.  When he didn't, they slumped.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: bnr24 on April 06, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
My only disagreement is that for freshman, I'd have chosen Ryan over Ferlin.  Ferlin might have the numbers, but he hardly plays like a team player.  Ryan has solid numbers and played for the team rather than for show for himself as it looked to me like Ferlin did.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: RatushnyFan on April 06, 2012, 02:11:13 PM
I'd argue that Ryan's numbers, as a defenseman, are more impressive than Ferlin's.  I didn't see enough games, but in all fairness Ryan probably needs to tighten up defensively.  If he can play better d and keep helping the team score he'll be really really good, just like some really smart guy (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,163827,165415#msg-165415) thought.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Trotsky on April 06, 2012, 02:25:17 PM
I would expect someone named RatushnyFan to know defensemen.  :)
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Roy 82 on April 06, 2012, 03:18:44 PM
I disagree with the choice of Iles for the Hayward-LeNeveu award. Neither Marozzi nor Kanji let in a single goal all year! :-D
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: jtn27 on April 06, 2012, 03:35:56 PM
Why isn't the goalie award named after Ken Dryden?
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: css228 on April 06, 2012, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: bnr24My only disagreement is that for freshman, I'd have chosen Ryan over Ferlin.  Ferlin might have the numbers, but he hardly plays like a team player.  Ryan has solid numbers and played for the team rather than for show for himself as it looked to me like Ferlin did.
I never got the impression that Ferlin wasn't a team player, but I was just in awe of his puck possession skills. He was like a one man cycle out there. That said, Ryan would be a worthy winner too.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: kingpin248 on April 06, 2012, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: jtn27Why isn't the goalie award named after Ken Dryden?

From the 2006 awards (http://www.tbrw.info/tbrw_Awards/tbrwAwards2006.html), the first year in which they were hyphenated:

Quote from: TrotskyThis season marks a hyphenation of these awards, initially named after the members of the mid 80's Team of Destiny that captured the 1986 ECAC title and came within an eyelash of the (as yet to be christened) Frozen Four.  The new names represent members of the recent Renaissance which, under the able direction of Mike Schafer, has restored the Big Red to regular NCAA contention.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: CowbellGuy on April 06, 2012, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: css228I never got the impression that Ferlin wasn't a team player, but I was just in awe of his puck possession skills. He was like a one man cycle out there.

You're kind of contradicting yourself right there. I don't think anyone's saying Ferlin's an asshole. I believe what was inferred was that he was a puck hog. He was actually learning to play with his line by the time he got hurt.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: css228 on April 06, 2012, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: CowbellGuy
Quote from: css228I never got the impression that Ferlin wasn't a team player, but I was just in awe of his puck possession skills. He was like a one man cycle out there.

You're kind of contradicting yourself right there. I don't think anyone's saying Ferlin's an asshole. I believe what was inferred was that he was a puck hog. He was actually learning to play with his line by the time he got hurt.
Oh I didn't mean it that way, I meant more that he could run the system and create chances largely by himself. But I guess I can see him as a puck hog. I thought that maybe midway through the season he was trying to do to much with the puck, but I was every bit as impressed by his passing as his ability to hold the puck. Of course most of the moments that are coming to mind regarding Ferlin are mid second semester.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: jtwcornell91 on April 06, 2012, 04:10:10 PM
Quote from: kingpin248
Quote from: jtn27Why isn't the goalie award named after Ken Dryden?

From the 2006 awards (http://www.tbrw.info/tbrw_Awards/tbrwAwards2006.html), the first year in which they were hyphenated:

Quote from: TrotskyThis season marks a hyphenation of these awards, initially named after the members of the mid 80's Team of Destiny that captured the 1986 ECAC title and came within an eyelash of the (as yet to be christened) Frozen Four.  The new names represent members of the recent Renaissance which, under the able direction of Mike Schafer, has restored the Big Red to regular NCAA contention.

Short answer: Greg's not that old. :-}
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: CowbellGuy on April 06, 2012, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: css228...I was every bit as impressed by his passing...
Is there some documented evidence of this? I hear they found Sasquatch, so people need something new to chase. :-D
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 06, 2012, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: jtwcornell91
Quote from: kingpin248
Quote from: jtn27Why isn't the goalie award named after Ken Dryden?

From the 2006 awards (http://www.tbrw.info/tbrw_Awards/tbrwAwards2006.html), the first year in which they were hyphenated:

Quote from: TrotskyThis season marks a hyphenation of these awards, initially named after the members of the mid 80's Team of Destiny that captured the 1986 ECAC title and came within an eyelash of the (as yet to be christened) Frozen Four.  The new names represent members of the recent Renaissance which, under the able direction of Mike Schafer, has restored the Big Red to regular NCAA contention.

Short answer: Greg's not that old. :-}

And you're implying?::dribble::
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: css228 on April 06, 2012, 04:57:55 PM
Quote from: CowbellGuy
Quote from: css228...I was every bit as impressed by his passing...
Is there some documented evidence of this? I hear they found Sasquatch, so people need something new to chase. :-D
I guess what I'm trying to say is I was impressed by the technical ability of his passing. I thought he put some great tape to tape passes in the offensive zone. The way I interpreted him hanging on to the puck to long was more that he was waiting to make the perfect incisive pass instead of the simple play. The guy I thought was a bit of a puck hog was Bardreau.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: MattS on April 06, 2012, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: css228
Quote from: CowbellGuy
Quote from: css228...I was every bit as impressed by his passing...
Is there some documented evidence of this? I hear they found Sasquatch, so people need something new to chase. :-D
I guess what I'm trying to say is I was impressed by the technical ability of his passing. I thought he put some great tape to tape passes in the offensive zone. The way I interpreted him hanging on to the puck to long was more that he was waiting to make the perfect incisive pass instead of the simple play. The guy I thought was a bit of a puck hog was Bardreau.

I felt that Ferlin's style of play and abilities didn't mesh well with his linemates. That was a big reason why he held the puck a lot at times.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: bnr24 on April 06, 2012, 10:44:25 PM
Quote from: css228
Quote from: CowbellGuy
Quote from: css228...I was every bit as impressed by his passing...
Is there some documented evidence of this? I hear they found Sasquatch, so people need something new to chase. :-D
I guess what I'm trying to say is I was impressed by the technical ability of his passing. I thought he put some great tape to tape passes in the offensive zone. The way I interpreted him hanging on to the puck to long was more that he was waiting to make the perfect incisive pass instead of the simple play. The guy I thought was a bit of a puck hog was Bardreau.
I don't remember seeing very much of Ferlin passing, except right pre-injury.  I don't know, Bardreau-Jillson were a pair which passed to whoever had the better scoring opportunity, not taking a puck for themselves when they thought the other could score.  When I saw Ferlin, I just was frustrated by his not passing when someone else was clearly open/in scoring position.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: The Rancor on April 06, 2012, 11:57:22 PM
good picks.
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Rita on April 07, 2012, 02:26:34 AM
Quote from: TrotskyOne man's opinion (http://www.tbrw.info/tbrw_Indexes/tbrw_Awards_Index.html).

Nobody else gets an opinion this year? No voting? Is this a by-product of too many primaries?
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: Trotsky on April 07, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: Rita
Quote from: TrotskyOne man's opinion (http://www.tbrw.info/tbrw_Indexes/tbrw_Awards_Index.html).

Nobody else gets an opinion this year? No voting? Is this a by-product of too many primaries?
Well, everyone gets an opinion.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 TBRW Awards
Post by: dragon10 on April 08, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
love Espo but has to be Collins