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Tonight (Darthmouth) is really really really really bad.  Michigan vs. Notre Dame is very clear in High Def on NBC sports.  When is Cornell and the ECAC going to wake up and get quality TV & streaming exposure.  NBC is going to be broadcasting most of Notre Dame's ice hockey games as part of the deal to do continue to do Notre Dame football.  That and Notre Dame moving to Hockey East made the deal to NBC a no brainer.  Think that will help recruiting?  I do not understand why there is not high def streaming available for PS3, ipad2...etc.  Cornell is an elite school with computer and communications departs.  Let the students produce and engineer the games in the best technology available.

Tonight the Red Cast it has worked best opening one window for video and another for radio, because the audio for the video is out of sync on the video channel.  Yet the radio channel is in sync with the video, go figure.

But where else do you get to here the announcer humming and whistling the alma mater followed by a nice long yawn?

Tongiht (Harvard) we have no picture.  They had all day to get ready for the broadcast.

Bemidji State vs Minnesota Women's Hockey on BTN in HD works nicely. Redcast doesn't work at all. What an f-in joke.

::flipd::

What? There's more demand for the Harvard game? What? At least radio works....

They say they are having technical difficulties. After last nights disaster you would think by game time everything would work witout a hitch.

So do you guys get your money back when this happens?

So do you guys get your money back when this happens?

Edit: Apparently eLynah thinks the above message is SPAM. That's weird.

Quote from: kaelistusSo do you guys get your money back when this happens?

Edit: Apparently eLynah thinks the above message is SPAM. That's weird.

This is their response to the complaint they have pathetic service...  I think I will wait til the last game of the year and then ask for a full refund for poor service :)


We apologize for the inconvenience. We are currently experiencing technical difficulties and we are working with the school to resolve the issue. If you would like us to cancel and refund your subscription, please let us know.
 
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Now I don't feel as frustrated that my wife made dinner plans tonight

Quote from: scoop85Now I don't feel as frustrated that my wife made dinner plans tonight

Due to retinal surgery (Friday) I am under orders not to move my head from the pillow. My wife was kind enough to stay in the rom with me and log me in over and over when the service froze. She is a dear (even worse for her are trips to Houston in Troy when she's not in the mood).

If anyone deserves payment here in our house it is she.=]

Everything posted here is accurate. Most of us (I said most, not all) are going to huff and puff, but we won't cancel our Redcast subscriptions or withdraw our commitment to endow the Day Hall replacement. We're a captive audience, we don't have alternatives, we're hosed.

It must be painful for players' parents in B.C. trying to watch the games. Or potential recruits?

Quote from: billhowardEverything posted here is accurate. Most of us (I said most, not all) are going to huff and puff, but we won't cancel our Redcast subscriptions or withdraw our commitment to endow the Day Hall replacement. We're a captive audience, we don't have alternatives, we're hosed.

It must be painful for players' parents in B.C. trying to watch the games. Or potential recruits?

I have absolutely cut back my spending on Redcast due to the quality issues.

My Day Hall endowment? Still under consideration.

Quote from: billhowardEverything posted here is accurate. Most of us (I said most, not all) are going to huff and puff, but we won't cancel our Redcast subscriptions or withdraw our commitment to endow the Day Hall replacement. We're a captive audience, we don't have alternatives, we're hosed.

It must be painful for players' parents in B.C. trying to watch the games. Or potential recruits?

I think they assume it's not cost-effective to put any quality into the product.  They have a handful (a couple hundred?  fewer?  far fewer?) of addicts who would install a tickertape in our house if that was the only way to get updates, but they don't see any market to expand into.

Is this shortsighted of them?  Maybe so.  Let's say they had the highest quality product: HD, dependable, the ability to deliver both at and away from Lynah.  Taking into account the entire Cornell fan diaspora plus all the Ithacans who might watch road games, what is the absolute upper limit on their subscribers?  10,000 maybe?

That's probably not enough to break even.  The question is, would a quality product grow the market, pull in more subscribers, and start to turn Cornell hockey into something regionally significant like, say, Syracuse basketball.  A few WCHA, CCHA, and HE schools do seem to have that sort of following.  We and RPI and probably the only schools who might be able to do it from the ECAC.

there are costs to doing a good job with the Red cast..

1) equipment
2) network
3) people.

#3 is pretty much set no matter what they do with #1 or #2.
#2 is probably the most unknown.  cornell has the bandwidth to get the games out to the server company, after that its a variable cost
#1 camera equipment is cheap. its a one time expense that should last for multiple seasons.

we cant even get decent replay equipment and by my count we have lost close to half a dozen games because of replay in the last few years.

the bigger issue is that they try to broadcast multiple sports and are spread too thin to do any of them well.

the reality is CU loses money doing the broadcasts as it is, would we be willing to pay more to make it better, when it probably should be cheaper to get more people to watch?

they need to go one solid Donor to fund it and could be done right.

SU bball has many of the same issues , they are using the TV feeds and still struggle with sound and quality picture.

I was flipping through the Comcast sports channels today and came across a Minnesota High School game that was worth watching.  They had excellent announcers, full replays and multiple camera angles with great coverage of the puck.  they never lost the play and they were always full of commentary and analysis as the game went on.  This was a high school game and it outdid most any of the college streams I have experienced.

Quote from: MotherPuckerI was flipping through the Comcast sports channels today and came across a Minnesota High School game that was worth watching.  They had excellent announcers, full replays and multiple camera angles with great coverage of the puck.  they never lost the play and they were always full of commentary and analysis as the game went on.  This was a high school game and it outdid most any of the college streams I have experienced.

Then again, if it was a school like Edina it probably has a bigger hockey budget than most colleges.  ;)

Quote from: TrotskyThen again, if it was a school like Edina it probably has a bigger hockey budget than most colleges.  ;)

Don't some Minnesota schools have two varsities and a couple JV teams?

Quote from: Jordan 04I have absolutely cut back my spending on Redcast due to the quality issues.

Same here: no Redcast for me this year, or next year, or the year after, etc. until the quality and availability improves substantially.

Fundamentally, the AD suffers from the same delusion that most of the rest of academia has: that price and cost are somehow causally connected. There is no such connection: something can cost a great deal and be worth absolutely nothing to anybody, or something can be much cheaper to produce than its sale price if it is in high demand. All price vs. cost can tell you is whether something is economic to produce or not.

I don't believe it's has been mentioned elsewhere, so here's (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2012/1/25/MICE_0125122438.aspx) another reason.

Quote from: BenI don't believe it's has been mentioned elsewhere, so here's (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2012/1/25/MICE_0125122438.aspx) another reason.

Ben,
Actually, this isn't something new. In the past when games have been on CBS college sports (or whatever they call themselves now) the games have been "blacked out" on the internet due to them not having some sort of feed sharing agreement like Cornell does with TWC.

When North Dakota played at Cornell in 2010 they took the feed from a network.  It was the best quality video they've ever had.  The next night it was back to dissapointment.  Unfotunately all I do is complain.... write in campaign to change providers?  If we can organize for a t-shirt we certainly can organize something to get our voices heard.  Occupy Lynah?  Something!! In the end it will come down to money and I don't think anyone has enough of it right now to change a thing.

I tried researching Redcast a bit and it seems like they run off a company called Sidearm Sports (http://athletics.internetconsult.com/) so the thing is much bigger than just the video.  Looks like they run everything for the athletic department from a website perspective.  They have a large client list so I would be surprised if we weren't the only school buying their video and having all these complaints.  Maybe they should be the target of our fury?

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Quote from: BenI don't believe it's has been mentioned elsewhere, so here's (http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2012/1/25/MICE_0125122438.aspx) another reason.

Ben,
Actually, this isn't something new. In the past when games have been on CBS college sports (or whatever they call themselves now) the games have been "blacked out" on the internet due to them not having some sort of feed sharing agreement like Cornell does with TWC.

::doh::

I'm not too surprised about this, but is there some way for exiles to watch?

I don't see why Cornell, the ECAC, or the Ivy League do not negotiate agreements with national television networks so that alumni and fans do not have to tolerate subpar coverage from whomever provides the RedCast coverage. The SEC in football and Notre Dame have negotiated agreements with networks. I assume that in the Northeast that a network would gain appreciable ratings if it aired Hockey East and ECAC games each weekend. Why networks like NBC Sports or CBS Sports do not dole out coverage based upon region, like it does for collegiate football, I know not. Also, the reluctance of CBS Sports to allow for online streaming via gameday passes or an online subscriptions makes no business sense. The B1G has managed to create its own network. BTN plans to air B1G Hockey games starting in 2013-14. That will bring more attention to college hockey and increase the audience pool for other networks to air games from the other "major" conferences (Hockey East, NCHC, ECAC). I would be fine with watching Cornell hockey on network television even if it was relegated to The Ocho. It would be less painful than dealing with RedCast. (Aside, I still have not been able to get the Dartmouth game video. If anyone has video of the Bardreau OT goal, I'd love to see it...finally).

I think that the Ivy League should consider a network of its own much like BTN (I say that mostly in jest).

However, the downside of relying upon national networks that have not yet learned the culture or landscape of college hockey is that they produce promotions like this (http://www.nbcsportsagency.com/static/video/video_samples/YALEvsHARVARD.webmvp8.webm) that imply clearly that Harvard-Yale is a men's ice hockey rivalry in addition to a football rivalry.

Cornell-Harvard is the preeminent Ivy League-hockey rivalry, at least according to both Cornell and Harvard.

What about something like a Kickstart campaign to improve the service? We all plug in what we want and how much we'd pay, and maybe that will get someone's attention. If the Athletics Department doesn't cooperate, then we push it to the  Development Department. I think they could actually turn it into something good if they saw it as a fundraising tool.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinAside, I still have not been able to get the Dartmouth game video. If anyone has video of the Bardreau OT goal, I'd love to see it...finally.

 Here you go! (http://youtu.be/UxQi0DUx-qY)

I'd love to know why the band sounded out of tune during the broadcast.  Perhaps there is a delay which along with audio compression and processing causes this issue.  (I noticed it during the game and in the DVR replay.)

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinI don't see why Cornell, the ECAC, or the Ivy League do not negotiate agreements with national television networks so that alumni and fans do not have to tolerate subpar coverage from whomever provides the RedCast coverage.
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I assume that in the Northeast that a network would gain appreciable ratings if it aired Hockey East and ECAC games each weekend.

I'm going to go out on a limb and take a wild guess that Ivy League hockey would garner fewer viewers than Ivy League football, which itself is competing for the title of most "They still have that??" responses. You and I like it, but it is simply delusional to think that there would be enough interest from the public to justify anything short of a huge donor stepping up year after year to PAY some cable network to broadcast our games.

I believe a competent internet streaming operation could be profitable or at least break-even, which is where we should focus our efforts. TV is a slowly-dying medium anyway: by the time cable broadcasters are begging to carry our games, no one will be watching anymore.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinI don't see why Cornell, the ECAC, or the Ivy League do not negotiate agreements with national television networks so that alumni and fans do not have to tolerate subpar coverage from whomever provides the RedCast coverage. The SEC in football and Notre Dame have negotiated agreements with networks. I assume that in the Northeast that a network would gain appreciable ratings if it aired Hockey East and ECAC games each weekend. Why networks like NBC Sports or CBS Sports do not dole out coverage based upon region, like it does for collegiate football, I know not.

I'll ignore the fact that collegiate football is IMMENSELY more popular than collegiate hockey on a national level for a minute.

I'm not sure I'm following what you're suggesting by this part of your post.  Are you looking for a regional sports network to provide an "ECAC Game of the Week" type of thing? Judging from what I've followed, TWC Sports (http://twcs.tv/programming.asp?show=College%20Hockey) has been doing an admirable job at showcasing NYS college hockey, given what they are.  NESN used to feature some ECAC games, and picked up Quinnipiac games regularly in recent years.  They've always been pretty HEA-centric, given that the network is Boston-based.  Here's a list of the games they're broadcasting: http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/2012-hockey-east-broadcast-schedule-on-nesn.html

If what you're suggesting is that a regional sports network take over for what Red Cast is trying to provide, which is live video broadcasts of every home game, I don't know any regional sports network that would commit the time, effort, and resources to one or multiple ECAC teams.  NESN doesn't even do that for BU or BC.  We've already discussed that Cornell probably loses money on the whole Red Cast venture, why on earth would a TV network want to buy into that?  For what? A few dozen of us loyal Faithful?  Cornell simply doesn't have the unaffiliated regional sports fan following that U. Minnesota has.

IMO, you're completely overestimating the popularity of college hockey & ECAC Hockey in general, and Cornell Hockey specifically.  I consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

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Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinI don't see why Cornell, the ECAC, or the Ivy League do not negotiate agreements with national television networks so that alumni and fans do not have to tolerate subpar coverage from whomever provides the RedCast coverage.
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I assume that in the Northeast that a network would gain appreciable ratings if it aired Hockey East and ECAC games each weekend.

I'm going to go out on a limb and take a wild guess that Ivy League hockey would garner fewer viewers than Ivy League football, which itself is competing for the title of most "They still have that??" responses. You and I like it, but it is simply delusional to think that there would be enough interest from the public to justify anything short of a huge donor stepping up year after year to PAY some cable network to broadcast our games.

I believe a competent internet streaming operation could be profitable or at least break-even, which is where we should focus our efforts. TV is a slowly-dying medium anyway: by the time cable broadcasters are begging to carry our games, no one will be watching anymore.

I agree with you almost entirely. I would prefer reliable, higher quality web streams than if a national network picked up Cornell/ECAC/Ivy games. Television as it is now, is becoming a thing of the past quickly. However, it seems that those who control RedCast care not about the quality of what they present. I just find it disheartening that RPI TV can present what I view as a stellar product while many of us cope with the comedy of errors that is RedCast. I doubt highly that RPI has more money within its university or fanbase to dedicate to its production than does Cornell. Even if RPI did, I cannot fathom it is proportionate to the extreme disparity in the output. I just presented what I said because it seems that nothing will happen unless some drastic actions are taken. Most of us are captive consumers.

Quote from: RichHIMO, you're completely overestimating the popularity of college hockey & ECAC Hockey in general, and Cornell Hockey specifically. I consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

I understand that the viewership of collegiate hockey and collegiate football cannot be considered anywhere near comparable. However, I do not think that there is no market for it though. I find it curious that NBC Sports has set aside a Friday night spot to showcase a collegiate hockey game each week. The fact that NBC Sports has decided to invest in such an endeavor implies that they think that there is an untapped market for a college hockey product. I don't think we should presume that the market cannot grow beyond the niche following that collegiate hockey has now. The success or failure of NBC Sport's Friday Night Ice will be very telling of the ability to grow the market for college hockey. My suggestion would be along the lines that NBC Sports would highlight one or two games regionally based as in, the East would watch an ECAC or HEA game while the Midwest/Mountain states would watch a WCHA/CCHA game.

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Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinAside, I still have not been able to get the Dartmouth game video. If anyone has video of the Bardreau OT goal, I'd love to see it...finally.

 Here you go! (http://youtu.be/UxQi0DUx-qY)

I'd love to know why the band sounded out of tune during the broadcast.  Perhaps there is a delay which along with audio compression and processing causes this issue.  (I noticed it during the game and in the DVR replay.)

Thank you! The shot looks similar to the goal that Bardreau scored in the game at Princeton.

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Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

While I don't dispute your point that any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game, it is a tad unfair to use a Thursday afternoon hockey game (morning in half the country!) to illustrate your point when basketball games are almost always played at times when people are actually at home.

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Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

While I don't dispute your point that any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game, it is a tad unfair to use a Thursday afternoon hockey game (morning in half the country!) to illustrate your point when basketball games are almost always played at times when people are actually at home.

I was in a "morning time zone" for that game and had a meeting that I just _could not_ skip. I could have gotten that rating up to 109,001 households (unless I was already counted for VCR-ing the game). :-P

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Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

While I don't dispute your point that any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game, it is a tad unfair to use a Thursday afternoon hockey game (morning in half the country!) to illustrate your point when basketball games are almost always played at times when people are actually at home.

Really?  That's the argument that you took away from my post?

The first two paragraphs were the important part, and illustrate my point (or really, Rich's point) well enough.  The third was just for shits and giggles.

What else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.  Like the Notre Dame Broadcast Company (aka NBC) or the Sioux North Dakota Sports Network.  If they just did our games, they would show St Lawrence, Clarkson, Colgate, RPI and Union twice each, Niagara once or twice, RIT once.  Nobody cares about Canisius. Thats 12 games right there - with decreased travel and production costs from what they are doing now.Yeah! Who's with me???**]

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Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

While I don't dispute your point that any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game, it is a tad unfair to use a Thursday afternoon hockey game (morning in half the country!) to illustrate your point when basketball games are almost always played at times when people are actually at home.

Really?  That's the argument that you took away from my post?

The first two paragraphs were the important part, and illustrate my point (or really, Rich's point) well enough.  The third was just for shits and giggles.

What was your argument, then? Because it sure seems to me that it's "any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game."

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Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

While I don't dispute your point that any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game, it is a tad unfair to use a Thursday afternoon hockey game (morning in half the country!) to illustrate your point when basketball games are almost always played at times when people are actually at home.

Really?  That's the argument that you took away from my post?

The first two paragraphs were the important part, and illustrate my point (or really, Rich's point) well enough.  The third was just for shits and giggles.

What was your argument, then? Because it sure seems to me that it's "any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game."

I think that's pretty much the argument. The ratings data for the title game (played at a much more reasonable hour/day for TV) do tend to back this up.

As much as it owuld be nice to have Cornell hockey on TV all the time I'm more than happy dealing with mediocre TV and radio in return for always being able to get tickets to any tournament game I want, pretty much for face value.  You can't do that if college hockey becomes a ratings powerhouse.

Quote from: TimVWhat else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.

I know you're being partially tongue-in-cheek, but guess which ECACHL school's logo happens to be featured on the front page of the TWCS website? Not us. http://twcs.tv/

Hamilton is less than 40 miles from their offices in E. Syracuse, so maybe it just seems like they're more in the "Syracuse market" than Ithaca is.  Or maybe there are Raider alumni on their marketing/web team. I've always had the impression they go to Starr and even Achilles more than they come to Lynah.

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Quote from: TimVWhat else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.

I know you're being partially tongue-in-cheek, but guess which ECACHL school's logo happens to be featured on the front page of the TWCS website? Not us. http://twcs.tv/

Hamilton is less than 40 miles from their offices in E. Syracuse, so maybe it just seems like they're more in the "Syracuse market" than Ithaca is.  Or maybe there are Raider alumni on their marketing/web team. I've always had the impression they go to Starr and even Achilles more than they come to Lynah.

I believe Colgate pays them to broadcast some games, Clarkson has done that for some games as well. Colgate football is much more important here than is Cornell. And if someone wonders what TW has better to do than Cornell hockey, well how about SU basketball. They broadcast games not carried by national TV. That's slightly more profitable than our hockey.

People keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

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Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

You proved my point, if you have a benefactor then you can do it differently. It required money to stream free football and for SlopeTV to do their broadcasts. If someone wants to put money into hockey, it could be upgraded.

Quote from: TimVWhat else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.  Like the Notre Dame Broadcast Company (aka NBC) or the Sioux North Dakota Sports Network.  If they just did our games, they would show St Lawrence, Clarkson, Colgate, RPI and Union twice each, Niagara once or twice, RIT once.  Nobody cares about Canisius. Thats 12 games right there - with decreased travel and production costs from what they are doing now.Yeah! Who's with me???**]

FWIW, TWC-Rochester broadcasts all RIT home games live.  I presume RIT pays them to do this.

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Quote from: TimVWhat else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.  Like the Notre Dame Broadcast Company (aka NBC) or the Sioux North Dakota Sports Network.  If they just did our games, they would show St Lawrence, Clarkson, Colgate, RPI and Union twice each, Niagara once or twice, RIT once.  Nobody cares about Canisius. Thats 12 games right there - with decreased travel and production costs from what they are doing now.Yeah! Who's with me???**]

FWIW, TWC-Rochester broadcasts all RIT home games live.  I presume RIT pays them to do this.

IIRC, Cornell did this with home football games back in the Hofher era or thereabouts with one of the ESPN channels showing the games and Sean McDonough doing the play-by-play.

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Quote from: TimVWhat else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.  Like the Notre Dame Broadcast Company (aka NBC) or the Sioux North Dakota Sports Network.  If they just did our games, they would show St Lawrence, Clarkson, Colgate, RPI and Union twice each, Niagara once or twice, RIT once.  Nobody cares about Canisius. Thats 12 games right there - with decreased travel and production costs from what they are doing now.Yeah! Who's with me???**]

FWIW, TWC-Rochester broadcasts all RIT home games live.  I presume RIT pays them to do this.

IIRC, Cornell did this with home football games back in the Hofher era or thereabouts with one of the ESPN channels showing the games and Sean McDonough doing the play-by-play.

IIRC this was funded by an alum.  The games were on something like Sports Channel America, which had the advantage (over TWC) that it was available anywhere in the country if you (or your local sports bar) had the right sort of dish.  We watched a bunch of them in Santa Barbara (or at least tried to; the people who ran the sports bar were pretty good at screwing with us).

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Quote from: TimVWhat else has Time Warner Cable got to do?  My suggestion to them (in total self interest, after all, we ARE the Center of the Universe):  Become the Cornell Broadcast Network.  Like the Notre Dame Broadcast Company (aka NBC) or the Sioux North Dakota Sports Network.  If they just did our games, they would show St Lawrence, Clarkson, Colgate, RPI and Union twice each, Niagara once or twice, RIT once.  Nobody cares about Canisius. Thats 12 games right there - with decreased travel and production costs from what they are doing now.Yeah! Who's with me???**]

FWIW, TWC-Rochester broadcasts all RIT home games live.  I presume RIT pays them to do this.

IIRC, Cornell did this with home football games back in the Hofher era or thereabouts with one of the ESPN channels showing the games and Sean McDonough doing the play-by-play.

IIRC this was funded by an alum.  The games were on something like Sports Channel America, which had the advantage (over TWC) that it was available anywhere in the country if you (or your local sports bar) had the right sort of dish.  We watched a bunch of them in Santa Barbara (or at least tried to; the people who ran the sports bar were pretty good at screwing with us).

Yes, I think it was an alum.

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Quote from: kaelistusSo do you guys get your money back when this happens?

Edit: Apparently eLynah thinks the above message is SPAM. That's weird.

This is their response to the complaint they have pathetic service...  I think I will wait til the last game of the year and then ask for a full refund for poor service :)


We apologize for the inconvenience. We are currently experiencing technical difficulties and we are working with the school to resolve the issue. If you would like us to cancel and refund your subscription, please let us know.
 
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The only way to get rid of these scumbag shysters would be to find out the connection between Cornell and whoever is running this scam company.  I guarantee that's what's going on and until that information is surfaced both sides are going to turn a blind eye.

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Quote from: kaelistusSo do you guys get your money back when this happens?

Edit: Apparently eLynah thinks the above message is SPAM. That's weird.

This is their response to the complaint they have pathetic service...  I think I will wait til the last game of the year and then ask for a full refund for poor service :)


We apologize for the inconvenience. We are currently experiencing technical difficulties and we are working with the school to resolve the issue. If you would like us to cancel and refund your subscription, please let us know.
 
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The only way to get rid of these scumbag shysters would be to find out the connection between Cornell and whoever is running this scam company.  I guarantee that's what's going on and until that information is surfaced both sides are going to turn a blind eye.

Oh and no video tonight, BTW (at least not as of now.)

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Quote from: kaelistusSo do you guys get your money back when this happens?

Edit: Apparently eLynah thinks the above message is SPAM. That's weird.

This is their response to the complaint they have pathetic service...  I think I will wait til the last game of the year and then ask for a full refund for poor service :)


We apologize for the inconvenience. We are currently experiencing technical difficulties and we are working with the school to resolve the issue. If you would like us to cancel and refund your subscription, please let us know.
 
SIDEARM Streaming Support

The only way to get rid of these scumbag shysters would be to find out the connection between Cornell and whoever is running this scam company.  I guarantee that's what's going on and until that information is surfaced both sides are going to turn a blind eye.

Do the other 500-odd schools with Sidearm (http://athletics.internetconsult.com/client_locations.aspx) share this same myster "connection"?

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Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

You proved my point, if you have a benefactor then you can do it differently. It required money to stream free football and for SlopeTV to do their broadcasts. If someone wants to put money into hockey, it could be upgraded.

The university has already cherry-picked some sports to be covered, why can't they improve the technical infrastructure for one (or two) of the already-chosen sports?

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Quote from: RichHI consider us lucky that ESPN & ESPN2 still air the Frozen Four games. I'd be willing to bet the ratings are very low compared to just about any mid-season NCAA basketball game.

At least up through 2008, even the title game had never achieved higher than a 0.9 rating (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), a 1.04 cable rating (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota), a 3 share (1996, Colorado College vs. Michigan), and 899,000 households (2002, Maine vs. Minnesota).

By comparison, regular season college basketball games on ESPN this season have averaged a 0.9 rating and 1.363 million households.

Cornell vs. New Hampshire men's hockey Frozen Four semi-final in 2003?  0.1 rating, 0.1 cable rating, 0 share, 109,000 households.

While I don't dispute your point that any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game, it is a tad unfair to use a Thursday afternoon hockey game (morning in half the country!) to illustrate your point when basketball games are almost always played at times when people are actually at home.

Really?  That's the argument that you took away from my post?

The first two paragraphs were the important part, and illustrate my point (or really, Rich's point) well enough.  The third was just for shits and giggles.

What was your argument, then? Because it sure seems to me that it's "any college basketball game will typically outdraw even the best college hockey game."

That was my argument, or rather, it was Rich's argument.  But the two Saturday championship games I cited were more than enough to illustrate it, and neither of those was "a tad unfair."  As I said, the pathetic numbers for the Thursday Cornell semi were just for shits and giggles in case anyone wondered how we performed.

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Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

You proved my point, if you have a benefactor then you can do it differently. It required money to stream free football and for SlopeTV to do their broadcasts. If someone wants to put money into hockey, it could be upgraded.

The university has already cherry-picked some sports to be covered, why can't they improve the technical infrastructure for one (or two) of the already-chosen sports?

As I said before, I'm sure they can and I'm sure it's money. I feel like a broken record.::bang::

Quote from: Jim HylaYou can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that.

Quote from: Jim HylaAs I said before, I'm sure they can and I'm sure it's money. I feel like a broken record.::bang::

Uhhhh.....

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Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

You proved my point, if you have a benefactor then you can do it differently. It required money to stream free football and for SlopeTV to do their broadcasts. If someone wants to put money into hockey, it could be upgraded.

The university has already cherry-picked some sports to be covered, why can't they improve the technical infrastructure for one (or two) of the already-chosen sports?

As I said before, I'm sure they can and I'm sure it's money. I feel like a broken record.::bang::

It's not necessarily a function of more money though. It's a function of resource allocation. You can spend $10 on ten sports or $50 on two. You've still only spent $100.

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Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

You proved my point, if you have a benefactor then you can do it differently. It required money to stream free football and for SlopeTV to do their broadcasts. If someone wants to put money into hockey, it could be upgraded.

The university has already cherry-picked some sports to be covered, why can't they improve the technical infrastructure for one (or two) of the already-chosen sports?

As I said before, I'm sure they can and I'm sure it's money. I feel like a broken record.::bang::

It's not necessarily a function of more money though. It's a function of resource allocation. You can spend $10 on ten sports or $50 on two. You've still only spent $100.

Aren't some of us asking for $9 to be spent on 9 sports and $19 to be spent on hockey?

Title IX?

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Quote from: Jim HylaPeople keep bringing up RPI TV, but as I understand it, they can't carry games live. Why? Probably because sports other than hockey are webcast, and RPI TV can't do that. Some of us always seem to forget that Redcast is more than Men's Hockey. That costs money. You can't just cherry pick the sport we like and say put all your money into that. If you want better webcast, then someone, or ones, will need to put up some money. Maybe we could get someone to help get better cameras, but more than that, doubtful.

Sure you can. Cornell, and other schools, have just decided that it's important for sprint football parents to have the same quality streaming experience as hockey fans. The merits of that position are debatable. And it's not as if sports have all been treated the same with Redcast either. For a few years football was streamed free thanks, I think, to some CFA $$. Slopetv does or did broadcast basketball games for free in competition with Redcast.

You proved my point, if you have a benefactor then you can do it differently. It required money to stream free football and for SlopeTV to do their broadcasts. If someone wants to put money into hockey, it could be upgraded.

The university has already cherry-picked some sports to be covered, why can't they improve the technical infrastructure for one (or two) of the already-chosen sports?

As I said before, I'm sure they can and I'm sure it's money. I feel like a broken record.::bang::

It's not necessarily a function of more money though. It's a function of resource allocation. You can spend $10 on ten sports or $50 on two. You've still only spent $100.

Aren't some of us asking for $9 to be spent on 9 sports and $19 to be spent on hockey?

Title IX?

Once the infrastructure is in place it can just as easily be used for Women's hockey. The sport that doesn't make sense from that perspective is football

Quote from: css228Once the infrastructure is in place it can just as easily be used for Women's hockey. The sport that doesn't make sense from that perspective is football

Schoellkopf --> Football, Sprint Football, Men's and Women's Lacrosse. Would be worth it to me.

Marty, I think Title IX applies only to participation and equal opportunity for women in athletics.  It doesn't apply to sports promotion or coverage.  Of course, that won't preempt an outcry from the relatively small cadre that follows women's sports.

Actually, the NCAA monitors coverage of men's and women's sports and whether they are comparable.  Ads placed by sports info, quality of programs, etc.  So while a woman may not file a Title IX action if her webpage is inferior to that of a male athlete in an equivalent sport, the NCAA recertification review look at an institutions commitment to women's teams in this context.

Those kinds of things are more threat than substance.  When's the last time you saw Notre Dame or Alabama women in a broadcast?

Quote from: dag14Actually, the NCAA monitors coverage of men's and women's sports and whether they are comparable.  Ads placed by sports info, quality of programs, etc.  So while a woman may not file a Title IX action if her webpage is inferior to that of a male athlete in an equivalent sport, the NCAA recertification review look at an institutions commitment to women's teams in this context.

In that regard, the pep band has also been "encouraged" by Athletics to attend more women's events.

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Quote from: css228Once the infrastructure is in place it can just as easily be used for Women's hockey. The sport that doesn't make sense from that perspective is football

Schoellkopf --> Football, Sprint Football, Men's and Women's Lacrosse. Would be worth it to me.

But from a Title IX perspective that's allocating resources to 3 men's sports and 1 women's sport. Which could be a problem.

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Quote from: css228Once the infrastructure is in place it can just as easily be used for Women's hockey. The sport that doesn't make sense from that perspective is football

Schoellkopf --> Football, Sprint Football, Men's and Women's Lacrosse. Would be worth it to me.

But from a Title IX perspective that's allocating resources to 3 men's sports and 1 women's sport. Which could be a problem.

You need some kind of smiley to indicate sarcasm, right?  Right??

Quote from: flyersgolfTonight (Darthmouth) is really really really really bad.  Michigan vs. Notre Dame is very clear in High Def on NBC sports.  When is Cornell and the ECAC going to wake up and get quality TV & streaming exposure.  NBC is going to be broadcasting most of Notre Dame's ice hockey games as part of the deal to do continue to do Notre Dame football.  That and Notre Dame moving to Hockey East made the deal to NBC a no brainer.  Think that will help recruiting?  I do not understand why there is not high def streaming available for PS3, ipad2...etc.

Wow, where to begin with this ridiculousness? Do you REALLY want to compare Cornell athletics with the media conglomerate that is Notre Dame & NBC? I'm currently in law school at Notre Dame, and you're comparing apples with water buffaloes here.

I've lurked around here for a long while here, and I'd finally got fed up with all of the griping that I thought I'd expand on upperdeck's post take a close, honest look into what exactly it would take to pull off a high quality webcast.

Quote from: MotherPuckerI was flipping through the Comcast sports channels today and came across a Minnesota High School game that was worth watching.  They had excellent announcers, full replays and multiple camera angles with great coverage of the puck.  they never lost the play and they were always full of commentary and analysis as the game went on.  This was a high school game and it outdid most any of the college streams I have experienced.

For the sake of everyone's sanity, can we PLEASE stop comparing what you see online to what you see on Comcast SportsNet? I don't care if it's only a Minnesota high school game; you've got professionals using professional equipment and using satellite technology.

Games on TV - outside of North Dakota, and maybe Minnesota, I can't imagine any school makes money on a TV hockey broadcast. More accurately, schools (or conferences) pay the production costs up front and sell ads after the fact to try to recoup that cost. Even outside of hockey, unless you're one of about 20-30 schools around the country (and Cornell isn't in that group and never will be), nobody's coming knocking on your door to broadcast your games.

Infrastructure - I imagine this to be one of the biggest problems. When the rink was renovated, the press box was virtually ignored, save the creation of a camera bay that tv crews don't even use. If you get to a tv game early enough you can see the tv crew pulling cable through the rafters over A/B, meaning the press box likely isn't wired properly. I'd guess that outside of minor updates, they're trying to pull off 2000s technology with 1960s infrastructure. I highly doubt Sidearm Sports is the problem - given all of the video options out there, I'm guessing they're probably the most favorable in terms of hosting this, but I still can't see them doing more than a 50-50 split with Cornell over the revenue. The lack of infrastructure brings me to...

Equipment - a bigger deal that you might think. That stuff's not cheap. There's a wide range of cameras out there, from $1,200 to $80,000 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Pro-Camcorders-Cameras/ci/1881/N/4256818814/Ns/p_PRICE_2%7C0). The average price for a quality camera would be in the range of $10,000. Don't think you can cut corners here; they currently use cheap little mini-cams, and we all know what type of picture comes from those. Like anything else, if you put garbage in, you're going to get garbage out. If you expect to be able to see the numbers on the backs of the sweaters, you're going to have to spend some serious cash. To couple your video feeds together, you're going to need a Tricaster (add graphics, replays, etc.); the low-end of those costs $12,000 (https://shop.newtek.com/index.php/home?page=shop.browse&category_id=9). Add into that cables, tripods, monitors, mixers, etc. (figure another $5,000) and you're looking at about $40k in start-up costs. Given their full-year cost, and assuming a 50-50 split of revenue, that'd be nearly 1200 full year subscribers just to pay the start-up cost. Do they have that kind of subscriber base? I doubt it. I would also assume your equipment lifespan to be no longer than four years, so it's not like it's a one-time thing, but more of a continual investment. Those tv games we love? There's a reason why they bring in a semi trailer full of video equipment (and have you even looked at the size of their cameras?). Even if you broke down that cost over four years (which I think is stretching it - by that fourth year, everyone on here would be complaining about the quality from obsolete equipment), you're still looking at 300 full year subscribers just to cover the cost of the equipment, and not even...

Labor - my personal opinion is that this is probably their biggest problem. Cornell uses students, which is fine, but my experience with the kids at Cornell is that the vast majority of them haven't done any type of physical labor in their lives, and don't intend to do any once they walk out of Schoellkopf, degree in hand. Add into that, how much are those kids getting paid? Maybe $10 an hour? More likely minimum wage, whatever that is anymore. So you've got some kid, untrained in video production and making $8 an hour - just how motivated are you going to be working for that kind of scratch? It's not like Cornell's got a media production major that you could get kids who want to go into that, like Syracuse does, so you're not even able to persuade people that it'll help their career. You could farm out that to Ithaca for some kind of credit, but that would take an agreement between the two schools, which won't happen. To straight away hire kids from Ithaca or Syracuse, you're going to have to pay a lot more than minimum wage to get them to give up damn near every weekend (figure they're there from 5pm until 10pm for a hockey game - when I was in school, those were prime drinking hours) from October to March (between hockey and basketball) - and that's not even thinking about football or lacrosse or any women's sports.

Bottom line - unless someone wants to pony up the cash for a video streaming endowment that's going to pay out about $20k a year, what you see is probably what you're going to get. I hate to say it, but our best chance for quality video streaming went out the window when the decision to renovate Lynah was made over building a new arena. A new arena would have modern wiring, proper camera facilities (that would get over the students so you wouldn't lose the puck in the near corners) and would likely have a video board inside (with camera equipment and staff to match). Unfortunately, that's the trade-off; would you rather have Lynah or would you rather have crystal-clear video streaming? Take your pick: tradition or modernity, you can't have both. Having seen what Notre Dame did with their new building, it makes me sad about what might have been at Cornell.

QuoteCornell is an elite school with computer and communications departs.  Let the students produce and engineer the games in the best technology available.

That's such an ignorant comment it's not even funny. Do you REALLY think Cornell's computer (http://www.cis.cornell.edu/research.html) department is working on better ways to stream video? Cornell's communications department (http://communication.cals.cornell.edu/) isn't a true communications department in the sense you're talking about.

So all that being said......how does RPI TV work then?

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Quote from: flyersgolfTonight (Darthmouth) is really really really really bad.  Michigan vs. Notre Dame is very clear in High Def on NBC sports.  When is Cornell and the ECAC going to wake up and get quality TV & streaming exposure.  NBC is going to be broadcasting most of Notre Dame's ice hockey games as part of the deal to do continue to do Notre Dame football.  That and Notre Dame moving to Hockey East made the deal to NBC a no brainer.  Think that will help recruiting?  I do not understand why there is not high def streaming available for PS3, ipad2...etc.

Wow, where to begin with this ridiculousness? Do you REALLY want to compare Cornell athletics with the media conglomerate that is Notre Dame & NBC? I'm currently in law school at Notre Dame, and you're comparing apples with water buffaloes here.

I've lurked around here for a long while here, and I'd finally got fed up with all of the griping that I thought I'd expand on upperdeck's post take a close, honest look into what exactly it would take to pull off a high quality webcast.

Quote from: MotherPuckerI was flipping through the Comcast sports channels today and came across a Minnesota High School game that was worth watching.  They had excellent announcers, full replays and multiple camera angles with great coverage of the puck.  they never lost the play and they were always full of commentary and analysis as the game went on.  This was a high school game and it outdid most any of the college streams I have experienced.

For the sake of everyone's sanity, can we PLEASE stop comparing what you see online to what you see on Comcast SportsNet? I don't care if it's only a Minnesota high school game; you've got professionals using professional equipment and using satellite technology.

Games on TV - outside of North Dakota, and maybe Minnesota, I can't imagine any school makes money on a TV hockey broadcast. More accurately, schools (or conferences) pay the production costs up front and sell ads after the fact to try to recoup that cost. Even outside of hockey, unless you're one of about 20-30 schools around the country (and Cornell isn't in that group and never will be), nobody's coming knocking on your door to broadcast your games.

Infrastructure - I imagine this to be one of the biggest problems. When the rink was renovated, the press box was virtually ignored, save the creation of a camera bay that tv crews don't even use. If you get to a tv game early enough you can see the tv crew pulling cable through the rafters over A/B, meaning the press box likely isn't wired properly. I'd guess that outside of minor updates, they're trying to pull off 2000s technology with 1960s infrastructure. I highly doubt Sidearm Sports is the problem - given all of the video options out there, I'm guessing they're probably the most favorable in terms of hosting this, but I still can't see them doing more than a 50-50 split with Cornell over the revenue. The lack of infrastructure brings me to...

Equipment - a bigger deal that you might think. That stuff's not cheap. There's a wide range of cameras out there, from $1,200 to $80,000 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Pro-Camcorders-Cameras/ci/1881/N/4256818814/Ns/p_PRICE_2%7C0). The average price for a quality camera would be in the range of $10,000. Don't think you can cut corners here; they currently use cheap little mini-cams, and we all know what type of picture comes from those. Like anything else, if you put garbage in, you're going to get garbage out. If you expect to be able to see the numbers on the backs of the sweaters, you're going to have to spend some serious cash. To couple your video feeds together, you're going to need a Tricaster (add graphics, replays, etc.); the low-end of those costs $12,000 (https://shop.newtek.com/index.php/home?page=shop.browse&category_id=9). Add into that cables, tripods, monitors, mixers, etc. (figure another $5,000) and you're looking at about $40k in start-up costs. Given their full-year cost, and assuming a 50-50 split of revenue, that'd be nearly 1200 full year subscribers just to pay the start-up cost. Do they have that kind of subscriber base? I doubt it. I would also assume your equipment lifespan to be no longer than four years, so it's not like it's a one-time thing, but more of a continual investment. Those tv games we love? There's a reason why they bring in a semi trailer full of video equipment (and have you even looked at the size of their cameras?). Even if you broke down that cost over four years (which I think is stretching it - by that fourth year, everyone on here would be complaining about the quality from obsolete equipment), you're still looking at 300 full year subscribers just to cover the cost of the equipment, and not even...

Labor - my personal opinion is that this is probably their biggest problem. Cornell uses students, which is fine, but my experience with the kids at Cornell is that the vast majority of them haven't done any type of physical labor in their lives, and don't intend to do any once they walk out of Schoellkopf, degree in hand. Add into that, how much are those kids getting paid? Maybe $10 an hour? More likely minimum wage, whatever that is anymore. So you've got some kid, untrained in video production and making $8 an hour - just how motivated are you going to be working for that kind of scratch? It's not like Cornell's got a media production major that you could get kids who want to go into that, like Syracuse does, so you're not even able to persuade people that it'll help their career. You could farm out that to Ithaca for some kind of credit, but that would take an agreement between the two schools, which won't happen. To straight away hire kids from Ithaca or Syracuse, you're going to have to pay a lot more than minimum wage to get them to give up damn near every weekend (figure they're there from 5pm until 10pm for a hockey game - when I was in school, those were prime drinking hours) from October to March (between hockey and basketball) - and that's not even thinking about football or lacrosse or any women's sports.

Bottom line - unless someone wants to pony up the cash for a video streaming endowment that's going to pay out about $20k a year, what you see is probably what you're going to get. I hate to say it, but our best chance for quality video streaming went out the window when the decision to renovate Lynah was made over building a new arena. A new arena would have modern wiring, proper camera facilities (that would get over the students so you wouldn't lose the puck in the near corners) and would likely have a video board inside (with camera equipment and staff to match). Unfortunately, that's the trade-off; would you rather have Lynah or would you rather have crystal-clear video streaming? Take your pick: tradition or modernity, you can't have both. Having seen what Notre Dame did with their new building, it makes me sad about what might have been at Cornell.

QuoteCornell is an elite school with computer and communications departs.  Let the students produce and engineer the games in the best technology available.

That's such an ignorant comment it's not even funny. Do you REALLY think Cornell's computer (http://www.cis.cornell.edu/research.html) department is working on better ways to stream video? Cornell's communications department (http://communication.cals.cornell.edu/) isn't a true communications department in the sense you're talking about.

Apparently you have been hitting the books too much (not a bad thing) and lurking too little because as semsox has noted this completely negates your suppositions:

Student Run Video @ RPI (http://www.rpitv.org/)

This was live streamed until RPI's contracted service -B2 - complained.   It is  now an archive service for hockey

Quote from: angrybearBlah blah blah

Sorry, but as others have pointed out, this is utter horseshit when you see what students at other schools are actually doing.

And FWIW I'm not suggesting that Cornell's hockey streaming has to be as awesome as CBS's online offerings: I'm simply asking for better video quality and a cameraman who has some idea of where the puck is. I'm even willing to sacrifice overlays for the clock/score/etc., if they're too difficult to implement, simply to get 30+ fps video that I can watch in a window larger than a postage stamp (or even on, say, an actual TV!) without getting a headache from the artifacts, blockiness, and ghosting and without it going down or being unavailable because someone tripped over the power cord and didn't notice. You can get something 10x better than RedCast with a very cheap consumer video camera and free software. Age did it TEN YEARS AGO, back when streaming video was still pretty immature.

I don't get why anyone would defend the shittiness of this service. You have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to assert that RedCast is the best Cornell can reasonably be expected to offer. Since I don't know you, I can't judge which is the case.

While you're not wrong, you're still coming at it from a TV production standpoint. You can legitimately cut some corners for a webcast. First off, you're not broadcasting in HD. You will probably do just fine with something like a Canon GL-2, which I think is already a step up from what they're using now. You're absolutely right that a big part of the problem is the camera operator. Someone who knows what they're doing will make a huge difference.

Again, this isn't TV. You don't need a Tricaster. Graphics can easily be handled through software and if you throw something like a Datavideo DV Bank at each camera, you've got replay capabilities at about a grand a pop. I submitted a proposal a few years ago the last time they switched providers, which was completely ignored, probably because it came from me, but for a workable 2-camera setup, you're looking at around of $8000 in startup hardware and software, plus around $2000/year for server costs and labor.

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Quote from: angrybearBlah blah blah

Sorry, but as others have pointed out, this is utter horseshit when you see what students at other schools are actually doing.

And FWIW I'm not suggesting that Cornell's hockey streaming has to be as awesome as CBS's online offerings: I'm simply asking for better video quality and a cameraman who has some idea of where the puck is. I'm even willing to sacrifice overlays for the clock/score/etc., if they're too difficult to implement, simply to get 30+ fps video that I can watch in a window larger than a postage stamp (or even on, say, an actual TV!) without getting a headache from the artifacts, blockiness, and ghosting and without it going down or being unavailable because someone tripped over the power cord and didn't notice. You can get something 10x better than RedCast with a very cheap consumer video camera and free software. Age did it TEN YEARS AGO, back when streaming video was still pretty immature.

I don't get why anyone would defend the shittiness of this service. You have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to assert that RedCast is the best Cornell can reasonably be expected to offer. Since I don't know you, I can't judge which is the case.

In response to angrybear:

Perhaps it is institutional arrogance, but most Cornellians cannot fathom that RPI or other institutions can produce a product that is vastly superior to what we endure with RedCast. I agree with them. It is absurd and selling Cornellians short to think that this is the best we can do.

I am familiar with the media fiascoes that are major sports university campuses. I am currently a law student at Penn State, so I can appreciate well the difference in the media coverage that surrounds institutions of the academic ilk like Cornell and those of the perceived athletic ilk like Penn State and Notre Dame. So, I understand that there is a (possibly) substantial difference in market for our sports product and the way that the universities represent themselves to the general public.

I know that better quality video and production can occur easily. Penn State is still a club hockey program. It provides free streaming video for both home and away games that far surpasses the quality of video that RedCast offers. The "production crew" is an older Canadian man (Steve Penstone), his wife, and one assistant. The University pays none of them. The University did not purchase the production equipment. So, barring the unlikelihood that Steve Penstone is independently wealthy and decided to invest thousands of his own wealth in providing free streaming coverage of Penn State Icers hockey, there is a cost-effective and qualitatively better way to provide streaming coverage of Cornell hockey to Cornellians.

Now, I agree that Lynah is not the easiest location from which to broadcast. The infrastructure is not on par for high-definition broadcasts with what is at Compton Family Ice Arena or what will be at Pegula Ice Arena. I concede that. I would err on the side of the history that Lynah has over desiring a new rink for the mere purpose of better broadcasts. Better broadcasts can still be achieved for Cornell hockey as evidenced by my free streaming, higher quality coverage at Penn State. If one thinks it is easier to broadcast from the current Greenberg Ice Pavilion (http://www.athletics.psu.edu/rec/icerink/index.asp) at Penn State or any other ACHA rink than Lynah, I find it unbelievable.

Just a small point about graphics: for one of the recent basketball games (I think it was the Albright game) they didn't use the score graphic but had a camera trained on the scoreboard and patched that in to one corner of the screen. Unlike the graphics, it updated automatically (obviously), showed team fouls, individual fouls,the possession arrow, etc. While hockey doesn't have all of those other important bits of information to keep track of, showing the Lynah scoreboard instead of their mediocre graphics would at least show us how much time is left on a PP or PK.

Quote from: Benshowing the Lynah scoreboard instead of their mediocre graphics would at least show us how much time is left on a PP or PK.

If it didn't phase like crazy.

Quote from: Kyle RoseYou can get something 10x better than RedCast with a very cheap consumer video camera and free software. Age did it TEN YEARS AGO, back when streaming video was still pretty immature.

Here's the key to everything. Age did it, 10 years ago. For free. And it was way better than RedCast. Cornell decided to kick Age out and contract an inferior service - then charge us for it. So we can argue back an forth about what Cornell can afford or cannot afford.. Except we know what we had and they choose not to use it.

Quote from: semsoxSo all that being said......how does RPI TV work then?

Exactly. And if Cornellians are grooming to run NBC rather than run gaffer's tape, we could always reach across town to Ithaca College, which is the go-to for students who understand TV production.

(It must suck to be the Cornell student who's the camera operator if he or she frequents eLynah. Nobody's performance gets dissected more, or more critically. They probably check each day to see if they're now the subject of a second Not the Answer thread.)

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Quote from: semsoxSo all that being said......how does RPI TV work then?

Exactly. And if Cornellians are grooming to run NBC rather than run gaffer's tape, we could always reach across town to Ithaca College, which is the go-to for students who understand TV production.

(It must suck to be the Cornell student who's the camera operator if he or she frequents eLynah. Nobody's performance gets dissected more, or more critically. They probably check each day to see if they're now the subject of a second Not the Answer thread.)

my thoughts exactly- a cornell IC partnership for hockey broadcasts? why not?

Quote from: Kyle Rose

Quote from: angrybearBlah blah blah

Sorry, but as others have pointed out, this is utter horseshit when you see what students at other schools are actually doing.

And FWIW I'm not suggesting that Cornell's hockey streaming has to be as awesome as CBS's online offerings: I'm simply asking for better video quality and a cameraman who has some idea of where the puck is. I'm even willing to sacrifice overlays for the clock/score/etc., if they're too difficult to implement, simply to get 30+ fps video that I can watch in a window larger than a postage stamp (or even on, say, an actual TV!) without getting a headache from the artifacts, blockiness, and ghosting and without it going down or being unavailable because someone tripped over the power cord and didn't notice. You can get something 10x better than RedCast with a very cheap consumer video camera and free software. Age did it TEN YEARS AGO, back when streaming video was still pretty immature.

I don't get why anyone would defend the shittiness of this service. You have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to assert that RedCast is the best Cornell can reasonably be expected to offer. Since I don't know you, I can't judge which is the case.

Oh, where to begin with all of this...

This may be hard for some on here to read, but as long as Cornell is the type of school where the vast majority of students (not all, but most) have a superior sense of entitlement, what we have now IS as good as we should expect. Why is RPI's better? Because they have a video production MAJOR. You have students going to school there who have their own Video Production business before even enrolling in school. Frankly, RPI's is better because their students have the same level of intelligence that Cornell's do, but without the silver spoon stuck up their ass.

And you're right, Age was doing this a decade ago, and do you know why it was better? Because he cared about it. As I stated earlier, but you were too ignorant to read, Kyle (apparently Age is the only one who bothered to read that, so props to you, sir), do you think some student making minimum wage and giving up their Friday and Saturday night CARES about the quality of the job they're doing? Do they care if they've kicked out the power cord accidentally? The students who truly care about Cornell hockey are in the stands, not running a camera.

As a Cornellian, the arrogance of some people here absolutely makes me sick to my stomach. The idea that Cornell should offer the same level of service as the media giants that are major college athletics is absurd. The same level of pride that alumni and boosters have in the athletic department - even for club sports - isn't the same at Cornell as it is at a place like Penn State. So yes, you're going to have people volunteering their services to do streaming. My guess is that once Penn State goes varsity, Steve Penastone will be pushed out in favor of the Big Ten Network.

Another part of that arrogance is the assumption that IC is clamoring to come to East Hill to give their services for free. Ithaca's got their own very successful athletic department - they don't NEED Cornell, yet why is it that folks like Bill Howard and The Rancor assume they do?

It's just amazing to me how people want this and they want that, but when you start to point out all of the costs associated with that, and all of the reasons for doing so, those things are no longer needed. One of the lasting memories that I have of Redcast came just last year, when the women's team played in the NCAA game at Lynah, all of the women's games first-round games were streamed free - the RedCast production was the best out of BU, BC and Wisconsin. This continual sentiment that "everyone's service is better" doesn't always hold true.

Quote from: angrybearAnd you're right, Age was doing this a decade ago, and do you know why it was better? Because he cared about it.

What a unique characteristic! I doubt there is anyone else who cares about Cornell hockey and would do this for free.

How does this one sentence not invalidate most of your rant? The "why don't we have HD broadcast" complaints are a bit much but the "why do we have to pay for a shitty streaming service" complaints are dead on.

There is, somewhere in Tompkins County, a guy who would love to stream the video. He doesn't even have to care about hockey. He just has to want to get experience at video production. If there isn't anyone at Cornell, I'm sure someone at IC would want to do it. Not because she cares about Cornell but because she'd also do it for TC3 or Elmira or whoever needs the help just to do it.

The real demand here isn't unreasonable: stop asking us to pay for a shitty product when a much better product is so readily available. The TV stuff is just a pipe dream.

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Quote from: Kyle Rose

Quote from: angrybearBlah blah blah

Sorry, but as others have pointed out, this is utter horseshit when you see what students at other schools are actually doing.

And FWIW I'm not suggesting that Cornell's hockey streaming has to be as awesome as CBS's online offerings: I'm simply asking for better video quality and a cameraman who has some idea of where the puck is. I'm even willing to sacrifice overlays for the clock/score/etc., if they're too difficult to implement, simply to get 30+ fps video that I can watch in a window larger than a postage stamp (or even on, say, an actual TV!) without getting a headache from the artifacts, blockiness, and ghosting and without it going down or being unavailable because someone tripped over the power cord and didn't notice. You can get something 10x better than RedCast with a very cheap consumer video camera and free software. Age did it TEN YEARS AGO, back when streaming video was still pretty immature.

I don't get why anyone would defend the shittiness of this service. You have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to assert that RedCast is the best Cornell can reasonably be expected to offer. Since I don't know you, I can't judge which is the case.

Oh, where to begin with all of this...

This may be hard for some on here to read, but as long as Cornell is the type of school where the vast majority of students (not all, but most) have a superior sense of entitlement, what we have now IS as good as we should expect. Why is RPI's better? Because they have a video production MAJOR. You have students going to school there who have their own Video Production business before even enrolling in school. Frankly, RPI's is better because their students have the same level of intelligence that Cornell's do, but without the silver spoon stuck up their ass.

RPI has, as I have said, two services. The streaming is done by B2 and is not of the quality of the student run RPI-TV.  So their alums who watch live streaming have a less than ideal product to watch.  Only half of  RPIs service is vastly superior.  The live side of their product is at best half-vast as is your argument.

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Is it just me or has redcast sucked worse than normal today?  It paused halfway through the women's game and then it locked me out of the first half of the second. ::bugeye::  It is barely even working now.

Quote from: bnr24Is it just me or has redcast sucked worse than normal today?  It paused halfway through the women's game and then it locked me out of the first half of the second. ::bugeye::  It is barely even working now.

It was Not One Of Their Better Efforts.  But at least they didn't actually lose signal during the game.

Yeah, between the audio and video, I got almost all of the game(s).  So much frustration.

I presume no Redcast for the playoffs again this year?

Quote from: Chris '03I presume no Redcast for the playoffs again this year?

FYP.

Quote from: Chris '03I presume no Redcast for the playoffs again this year?

I don't know about individual first round or quarterfinals, but I am gong to hint that the Championship games may be the best 'made for internet streaming' broadcast the ECAC has ever seen. I should be able to release more details in the next couple of days.

Does this include women's games for playoffs?  I didn't have to worry last year when I was actually on the Hill for the games.

Quote from: bnr24Does this include women's games for playoffs?  I didn't have to worry last year when I was actually on the Hill for the games.

The two quarterfinal games this past weekend were on RedCast. Nothing listed for this weekend, though.

Quote from: mackek2I don't know about individual first round or quarterfinals, but I am gong to hint that the Championship games may be the best 'made for internet streaming' broadcast the ECAC has ever seen. I should be able to release more details in the next couple of days.

The bar is not that high.

Let's make a four- or six-panel poster. Help with some ideas for the panels and captions. Starter suggestions:

This is what Cornell thinks Redcast is. [image: Cowboy Stadium jumbotron]
This is Redcast on its best day. [image: the lingering question mark?}
This is what my wife / girlfriend thinks I'm doing watching Redcast.
This is what the Redcast videographer thinks Redcast is [image: guy texting, sleeping, reading textbook; camera shows center ice; red glare from off-camera suggests goal light just got lit]
This is what Cornell thinks of the gear [HD broadcast camera on massively tall tripod]
This is the gear [flip cam on tabletop tripod behind three guys with tall caps]
This is what RPI [fill in the blank]
This is Redcast most days [a still photo will do it justice]

I'd just like to see the infamous question mark above the caption, "streaming video.  ur doin it wrong."

Quote from: TrotskyI'd just like to see the infamous question mark above the caption, "streaming video.  ur doin it wrong."

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Quote from: TrotskyI'd just like to see the infamous question mark above the caption, "streaming video.  ur doin it wrong."

Very nice, but the meme requires the awful "UR" abbreviation.

(http://memedump.com/d/1064-9/ur-doin-it-wrong-03.png)

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Quote from: TrotskyI'd just like to see the infamous question mark above the caption, "streaming video.  ur doin it wrong."

Very nice, but the meme requires the awful "UR" abbreviation.

(http://memedump.com/d/1064-9/ur-doin-it-wrong-03.png)

I debated doing it with the atrocious "UR" abbreviation but consulted the all-knowing Know Your Meme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/youre-doing-it-wrong) for advice and conventions.

The fuzz filter is in full effect this afternoon for lax. Can't see any jersey numbers.

Quote from: Chris '03The fuzz filter is in full effect this afternoon for lax. Can't see any jersey numbers.

Couldn't see anything much of second period; wouldn't connect.

The Cornell Sports twitter account asked if any students were looking to film Cornell sporting events as an employment opportunity on campus.

https://twitter.com/CornellSports/status/240498083920740352

Is the big announcement that a blind chimpanzee with arthritis could film the games better than RedCast has?  Because that's already widely understood.

Quote from: Aaron M. GriffinThe Cornell Sports twitter account asked if any students were looking to film Cornell sporting events as an employment opportunity on campus.

https://twitter.com/CornellSports/status/240498083920740352

And to hell for anyone not an alum who ponies up for the show?::burnout::

Were you able to sign up for Redcast already?  At this point it does not quite seem ready yet to allow me to create a new subscription.

Quote from: snert1288Were you able to sign up for Redcast already?  At this point it does not quite seem ready yet to allow me to create a new subscription.

I think you may need to wait for "THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" before you can sign up and give them your money to burn.

http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/9/4/GEN_0904121341.aspx

"RedCast has added multi-bitrate streams that work similar to ESPN3 broadcasts"

Now in HD and on mobile devices.

Let's see how quickly it fails!

QuoteFootball, sprint football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's ice hockey, wrestling and men's and women's lacrosse will have all home games/dual meets broadcast on RedCast, with audio also available for road contests for football, men's basketball and men's lacrosse contests. Additionally, select events in other sports will also be made available for broadcast on a game-by-game basis. A men's soccer package that includes audio only will be available for home games. Additional contests are expected to be added, with volleyball, baseball, gymnastics and other sports likely to have games broadcast.

No road audio for hockey, or is that just an oversight?

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QuoteFootball, sprint football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's ice hockey, wrestling and men's and women's lacrosse will have all home games/dual meets broadcast on RedCast, with audio also available for road contests for football, men's basketball and men's lacrosse contests. Additionally, select events in other sports will also be made available for broadcast on a game-by-game basis. A men's soccer package that includes audio only will be available for home games. Additional contests are expected to be added, with volleyball, baseball, gymnastics and other sports likely to have games broadcast.

No road audio for hockey, or is that just an oversight?

An oversight, it seems. It now lists men's ice hockey:

QuoteFootball, sprint football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's ice hockey, wrestling and men's and women's lacrosse will have all home games/dual meets broadcast on RedCast, with audio also available for road contests for football, men's basketball, men's ice hockey and men's lacrosse contests. Additionally, select events in other sports will also be made available for broadcast on a game-by-game basis. A men's soccer package that includes audio only will be available for home games. Additional contests are expected to be added, with volleyball, baseball, gymnastics and other sports likely to have games broadcast.

Quote from: Jacob '06

QuoteFootball, sprint football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's ice hockey, wrestling and men's and women's lacrosse will have all home games/dual meets broadcast on RedCast, with audio also available for road contests for football, men's basketball and men's lacrosse contests. Additionally, select events in other sports will also be made available for broadcast on a game-by-game basis. A men's soccer package that includes audio only will be available for home games. Additional contests are expected to be added, with volleyball, baseball, gymnastics and other sports likely to have games broadcast.

No road audio for hockey, or is that just an oversight?

It better be, or they are going to need bomb detection equipment.

Wow, good news.  Thanks to all who wrote letters.  Now will there be growing pains with this new system?  Will we be allowed to plug in an hdmi cable on applicable devices and watch on a big screen?

Quote from: flyersgolfWill we be allowed to plug in an hdmi cable on applicable devices and watch on a big screen?

They really can't stop you on that one. Even if they can, I don't see why they would go to the trouble of programming the new Red Cast so it wouldn't transfer through an HDMI cable to your big screen. If anything its just going to be that the quality, as always, won't fail to disappoint.

Anyone watch sprint football friday to see what the quality is like (or to watch a five hour game)? It doesn't look like it's archived...::help::

Also, either I'm getting really old or the new interface is tough to look at/navigate.

I watched ten or fifteen minutes of the game last week. The quality of the stream was certainly a significant step up from the hockey redcast last year. I didn't try watching any of the video on my phone or tablet, I'll probably try it out on a football game some time in the next few weeks.

I watched a good chunk of what turned out to be a wild game.  Broadcast quality is far superior to what we've been used to. More cameera angles as well.  My only real complaint is that the director should stick with the "longer" view camera that takes in more of the field.  Far too often they go with the close-up cameras and we end up missing part of the play.

200% better than any sprint video I watched in the past. I was heading out the door to attend the game when I heard thunder.  Saved me hanging around for what turned out to be a 2 hr weather delay.  So I particularly appreciated the fact that I could drink beer in my jammies in my living room to watch a pretty decent Redcast broadcast of the game.

Quote from: dag14I particularly appreciated the fact that I could drink beer in my jammies in my living room to watch a pretty decent Redcast broadcast of the game.

Oh, like you can't do that at the game...

Since I am no longer an undergrad, I wouldn't do jammies at a football game....

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Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: dag14I particularly appreciated the fact that I could drink beer in my jammies in my living room to watch a pretty decent Redcast broadcast of the game.

Oh, like you can't do that at the game...

Since I am no longer an undergrad, I wouldn't do jammies at a football game....

Not to mention what a mess a football game would probably make in your living room.

Quote from: Chris '03Anyone watch sprint football friday to see what the quality is like (or to watch a five hour game)? It doesn't look like it's archived...::help::

Also, either I'm getting really old or the new interface is tough to look at/navigate.

Still not archived.  Video quality may be improved, but service isn't.

Does anyone here know how hard it would be for Redcast to make their signal available on the Roku box?

Quote from: martyDoes anyone here know how hard it would be for Redcast to make their signal available on the Roku box?

That would make me incredibly happy if someone knows how to set up a private channel for that, or just knows the steps to make it happen individually. I use Plex Media Server for files that are on my computer to stream, but that doesn't work with live streaming events.

Uhhh, Whut???

You're never going to be able to extract the stream to another service without the Flash layer handling authentication. You might be able to use something like Jaksta to archive the stream as it's coming in and if you can directly share that file out yourself you may be able to make something work.

Or if you have a recent Mac and an AppleTV you could just use AirPlay to stream your whole display to your TV ;)

Quote from: martyDoes anyone here know how hard it would be for Redcast to make their signal available on the Roku box?

My point here is that if it were available on Roku and Apple TV they should be able to increase the audience.  How hard this is would determine if it was economically viable.

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Quote from: martyDoes anyone here know how hard it would be for Redcast to make their signal available on the Roku box?

My point here is that if it were available on Roku and Apple TV they should be able to increase the audience.  How hard this is would determine if it was economically viable.

Its probably more of a question of whether or not it'd be worth Roku's time to maintain the channel (i.e. would it bring in enough new users). My initial instinct is no, but given some of the other stuff they have on there...

Trying to get my first taste of "new" redcast.  Anyone else trying to watch sprint football? It's really choppy for me. Not watchable at all.

Quote from: Chris '03Trying to get my first taste of "new" redcast.  Anyone else trying to watch sprint football? It's really choppy for me. Not watchable at all.

That may have something to do with the weather around here tonight.

The sprint feed is horrible.  And live stats shows the Columbia final football score from last year....

No video now for football.  

Volleyball looks like an aging VHS cassette.

When I was watching the sprint video it showed no score.  Linking to live stats via the sprint football schedule, live stats shows Cornell up 20-0 as the second half starts.

Still no video even though second half has started.  And the weather is not that bad.  It is drizzling with no lightning, etc.

Quote from: dag14When I was watching the sprint video it showed no score.  Linking to live stats via the sprint football schedule, live stats shows Cornell up 20-0 as the second half starts.

Still no video even though second half has started.  And the weather is not that bad.  It is drizzling with no lightning, etc.

Choppy video back up. CU 20 PU 0, PU driving.

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: dag14When I was watching the sprint video it showed no score.  Linking to live stats via the sprint football schedule, live stats shows Cornell up 20-0 as the second half starts.

Still no video even though second half has started.  And the weather is not that bad.  It is drizzling with no lightning, etc.

Choppy video back up. CU 20 PU 0, PU driving.

...and scoring.

Quote from: dag14When I was watching the sprint video it showed no score.  Linking to live stats via the sprint football schedule, live stats shows Cornell up 20-0 as the second half starts.

Still no video even though second half has started.  And the weather is not that bad.  It is drizzling with no lightning, etc.

Wouldn't know, I'm unfortunately too sick to actually go to the game or I'd be there.

Quote from: dag14The sprint feed is horrible.  And live stats shows the Columbia final football score from last year....

If there's any improvement I'm missing it.  Cornell should be ashamed of the poor quality.::cuss::

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: dag14The sprint feed is horrible.  And live stats shows the Columbia final football score from last year....

If there's any improvement I'm missing it.  Cornell should be ashamed of the poor quality.::cuss::

At least the CU twitter feed has updates... but they're waaaaaay ahead of the redcast "feed."

22-15, onside kick coming 1:44 to go.

And the feed died again.

The more things change...

Quote from: Chris '03

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: dag14The sprint feed is horrible.  And live stats shows the Columbia final football score from last year....

If there's any improvement I'm missing it.  Cornell should be ashamed of the poor quality.::cuss::

At least the CU twitter feed has updates... but they're waaaaaay ahead of the redcast "feed."

22-15, onside kick coming 1:44 to go.

Response from Sidearm:

"We apologize for the choppiness and have been attempting all night to resolve this issue. We can refund your pass if you would like."

Hoping last night was an aberation for the "new and improved" redcast.  The first sprint game had none of the technical problems we saw last night.

The first RPI TV streaming of the season is on the air. For those who can't wait to see the Goofers play on Fox later tonight, tune in and enjoy.

Quote from: Chris '03http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/9/4/GEN_0904121341.aspx

"RedCast has added multi-bitrate streams that work similar to ESPN3 broadcasts"

Now in HD and on mobile devices.

Let's see how quickly it fails!

Wait!!
I love the Skype quality video!! Especially on a Retina display iPad!!!!

::bang::

Quote from: Johnny 5

Quote from: Chris '03http://cornellbigred.com/news/2012/9/4/GEN_0904121341.aspx

"RedCast has added multi-bitrate streams that work similar to ESPN3 broadcasts"

Now in HD and on mobile devices.

Let's see how quickly it fails!

Wait!!
I love the Skype quality video!! Especially on a Retina display iPad!!!!

::bang::

Could you possibly bring the iPad to the games and Skype it to me?::demented::

Glad I didn't believe the press and buy a season pass. When others confirm the video of actual hockey games is more reliable and looks decent, then I'll give them some money.

Fool me twice... can't get fooled again.

What gets me most this year is that the archiving is worse than ever. There are literally two archived videos from the fall season. One of which is the Princeton sprint game that was unwatchable. At least in the past there was a reasonable expectation that if you miss a game you can watch it later. I have little faith that will be the case this year.

7:04 and no Redcast.  Business as usual.

No audio, no video, nothing.  The usual.  Congrats. Consistency year to year.

Stats do work though.

I "contacted" Sidearm at 6:40 and they said the game starts at 7.  Then they put up an "announcement" to that effect on the Redcast page.  7:08 and still no audio or video.

Funny I never get this wretched service when I watch away games at other schools' webcast providers (e.g., Bucknell football).

are you guys getting the stupid subscription ordering popup every time you click on the video box for the under 18 game?

Quote from: Tom14850are you guys getting the stupid subscription ordering popup every time you click on the video box for the under 18 game?

No.  That might even be progress!::help::

I had problems watching soccer at Colgate.  No video until about 20 min into the game after we had scored a goal.  Must be an upstate NY sidearm phenomenon.

This is indemic of how companies are run in this country today.  Do you think they even tried this service out before tonight?  Year after year sidearm gets paid, why?

Well it finally came on.  Very jittery picture.

Hey at least I can watch on my ipad this year! Video quality is above average through quiktime.
Matt

(never mind -- got it)

Quote from: lhayesJust viewing the new interface for the first time.  Is it possible get the video to be full screen?  I can get the redcast page to be full screen, but half of it is stats  

(Not sure if it's worth it to watch the video anyway -- the zamboni has been jumping around the rink.)

click the box with red arrows in the lower right corner

this an athletic dept snaufu as much as anything.. if they want a good product they have to care and clearly they dont, just another in the long line of issues that dept has

Brown football webcast started on time.  No choppiness. Plenty of replays.  Fair picture quality.  Excellent sound.  Announcers not too annoying.  And for $8 you can watch all day.  [Soccer after football today.]

Brock Hockey was fine on my setup tonight.  Fairly sharp, ran smoothly.  I like the roster with stats on screen, but the clock in that frame doesnt run realtime, and the power play on the five minute major looked as bad it looked on the old Redcast.  Overall much better aside from the archiving issues already pointed out.  I checked the Harvard lacrosse game on the archives and that resolution was horrible.  [Pointing left, then right] GOOD Redcast....BAD Redcast...

I watched Brock on my wired computer, it was grainy and choppy..  had to switch over to my kindle Fire HD using wireless and it was crystal clear and the picture was twice as big then fed the HDMI out to my 55" TV and it was great as well

Quote from: upprdeckI watched Brock on my wired computer, it was grainy and choppy..  had to switch over to my kindle Fire HD using wireless and it was crystal clear and the picture was twice as big then fed the HDMI out to my 55" TV and it was great as well

Yes, much better video on my ASUS tablet than laptop.  Will have to try HDMI to TV.

Just watched the women beat SLU 5-1. The Redcast on my pc looked good, hopefully they are going to be getting better. Both that is.

Video is up... and crappy. But they seem to be trying to get the clock to be displayed, which would be nice.

I see roughly the same quality (not HD) on both Android and my desktop. It looks smoother on Android, and less blurry simply because the screen is smaller. They still have work to do.

I love how my stream was interrupted to let me know Sprint football is back. Thanks, guys. ::rolleyes::

I really have to wonder if anyone at Sidearm or the AD actually uses their own product. It has really fundamental usability issues that should be caught in about 15 minutes of user testing. I repeat something I said on Facebook a few days ago: "If you talk to people who actually write software, you find that computers are the way they are because writing software is neat. Programmers don't actually care what users think."

Internet stream from CC. Crystal clear:

http://www2.coloradocollege.edu/webcasts/Athletics/TheEagle.m3u

Edit: audio, that is

None HD picture tonight, same picture as all previous years.  I think every time the camera pans left the plug comes out and the screen goes black.  I have finally just started to laugh about this service.  My guess is no ones job is on the line concerning any part of this production.

This has to be a joke.  I can't even get the thing to work, on any browser.  No video, no sound.  Yet a pop up box tells me when I log on that "all technical difficulties have been fixed".  Yeah right.

Quote from: jeff '84Internet stream from CC. Crystal clear:

http://www2.coloradocollege.edu/webcasts/Athletics/TheEagle.m3u

Edit: audio, that is

Very good announcer.

Quote from: Kyle RoseProgrammers don't actually care what users think."

Speak for yourself!

Quote from: CowbellGuy

Quote from: Kyle RoseProgrammers don't actually care what users think."

Speak for yourself!

I'm speaking empirically. Of course I care what my users think, but I'm a single developer with a user base of about 100. From experience in larger organizations, I know this attitude dominates: developers *claim* to care what users think, but they don't act in accordance with that, which means they don't really care.

i will second that.. stay around cornell enough and you can see it.. programmers think everyone "think" like they do but dont bother to actually find out.  Its also a case of the only thoughts that matter is how fast can i get this done.

Quote from: upprdecki will second that.. stay around cornell enough and you can see it.. programmers think everyone "think" like they do but dont bother to actually find out.  Its also a case of the only thoughts that matter is how fast can i get this done.

And I'll give it a third. Being in the middle of switching to EMR (electronic medical records) I'm sure that the systems were never tested in the real world. Three, out of six, of us have quit trying to use the system, and have gone back to straight dictating and have the transcriptionists stick them into the proper sections. The systems look like they were developed to fill in all the blanks so you could bill the maximum code possible. They are not meant to maximize patient care.

I know there are good systems out there, the VA has one; but those were developed in house by large organization like Mayo and Cleveland Clinic. What a difference it might make if the software designers would just spend a week with a group of MDs as they see patients.

Quote from: Jim HylaThe systems look like they were developed to fill in all the blanks so you could bill the maximum code possible.

Medicare Bills Rise as Records Turn Electronic (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/business/medicare-billing-rises-at-hospitals-with-electronic-records.html?pagewanted=all)

While I was the Director of System Services at Georgetown Hospital we developed a partial EMR in the early/mid 90s!  Best features, IMHO, were the bedside order entry and results reporting (the platform was cutting edge client server with Sun Workstations, SQL back ends, and legacy anciallary system interfaces). Our design assertion was that cost savings came from directly presenting the ordering physician quick and full access to med and test orders and results from past outpatient and in patient episodes or care.

Quote from: cmobergWhile I was the Director of System Services at Georgetown Hospital we developed a partial EMR in the early/mid 90s!  Best features, IMHO, were the bedside order entry and results reporting (the platform was cutting edge client server with Sun Workstations, SQL back ends, and legacy anciallary system interfaces). Our design assertion was that cost savings came from directly presenting the ordering physician quick and full access to med and test orders and results from past outpatient and in patient episodes or care.

You were absolutely correct. The things that have been useful in outpatient practice are access to hospital records online, and the ability to merge some lab results. If they had forgotten about fully EMR and made it mandatory that all lab, Xray, path, etc. results were available online, and that they were uniform in reporting, so that they could easily be imported into everyones EMR, that would have improved care and reduced costs. (What a terrible sentence)

Jim, sure could have used a voice of support like yours from the outpatient side back then.  We were so far ahead of the curve on EMR that we faced heavy headwinds from many docs and even senior hospital administrators.  You would have loved the lab results reporting, it was spreadsheet like with episodes (dates of care) as columns and rows as test results. The was a great benefit to patients coming in through the ER.  It also supported practioner specific custom views.  There was also a very early PACS system that the Radiology Dept was piloting.  We brought low res proxies to the bedside from that.

A huge problem then as now is nomenclature and codification.  Hard to fuse a lifetime care record from multiple entities.  I was involved in an ARPA project around the same time that looked to bridge this divide among the participant institutions.

Alas, I became disenchanted an left healthcare IT in 1997. So interesting that I can jump right back in as the landspace remains much the same. Sigh.

I didn't wade entirely through that very lengthy article, but there was a heavy implication that there is a large number of doctors gaming the system.  

Truth be told, the reason for "hospitals and physicians to bill more for their services, whether or not they provide additional care" is not because they are billing for care not rendered, but rather that they were previously underbilling for services that they did render.  This occurred because the coding rules are unfathomably complex, AND the rules change every year.  As Jim points out, many of the EMRs are structured so that the docs don't leave payments they deserve for care they did provide on the table because of inexpertise with the coding rules.

In my opinion, it's not that the billing piece of EMRs are set up to increase undeserved income.  Rather, they are set up to minimize the impact of a reimbursement system that is transparently structured to provide convenient ways for payors to evade fair reimbursement for work actually done through a complex system of regulations and deadlines with penalties for the "Gotcha" type of infractions that inevitably follow.  ::cuss::::cuss::

The last few seasons I've waited to see the comments here re: Redcast before purchasing the product.

They haven't had any of my money since spring of 2010.

CC free audio stream was very good last night. Very competent announcer compared to what we normally get from our fellow ECAC broadcasts.

Video quality is WAAAAAAAY better now. This is HD. Someone must have found the good video/bad video switch. (It's inside the doll next to the good/evil switch.)

And let it not be said that I never give credit where credit's due. I may also throw in an "it's about time" or "WTF took you so long??", but this alum greatly appreciates the upgrade.

Quote from: Kyle RoseVideo quality is WAAAAAAAY better now. This is HD. Someone must have found the good video/bad video switch. (It's inside the doll next to the good/evil switch.)

Crystal-clear 360p at 1400 Kbps tonight. This is RPItv-quality video.

Quote from: cbuckser

Quote from: Kyle RoseVideo quality is WAAAAAAAY better now. This is HD. Someone must have found the good video/bad video switch. (It's inside the doll next to the good/evil switch.)

Crystal-clear 360p at 1400 Kbps tonight. This is RPItv-quality video.

To these eyes, it looks better than 360p, but maybe that's because it looks so much better than the 36p they had before.

Quality was pretty good: video feed, power play, penalty kill. Though the feed dropped or froze a half-dozen times. I hope it's not just supercharged atmospherics announcing Hurricane Sandy.

Quote from: Jordan 04The last few seasons I've waited to see the comments here re: Redcast before purchasing the product.

They haven't had any of my money since spring of 2010.

CC free audio stream was very good last night. Very competent announcer compared to what we normally get from our fellow ECAC broadcasts.

We got our money's worth today, with hockey and with the Cornell Princeton football game (Cornell 37-35). Good quality video. Football feed was solid most all game long (unlike the Princeton and Cornell defenses). Some of the graphics are too aggressive ("What does this SFX widget do? Ooh, nice, now let's push the flame surfacing slider all the way to 10. Huh, now that the bear is on fire, let's make him rotate like a barber pole." ) Cornell right now is like a HS graphic design student design class just handed a pack of 100 royalty fonts. Of course you're going to use them all. Why should ransom notes have all the fun?

I didn't get a chance to see Saturday's game live, but the archive up on-line looks pretty much the same as Friday's game did.  Was it much better quality than what this archive looks like or am I just losing it?

Quote from: semsoxI didn't get a chance to see Saturday's game live, but the archive up on-line looks pretty much the same as Friday's game did.  Was it much better quality than what this archive looks like or am I just losing it?

It actually was much better Saturday.  The women's game was awful quality video for me, but the men's game looked much more high quality in real time.  (Admittedly, I haven't looked at the archives for Saturday yet.)

Women's game looks like crap (SD). I wonder why Lynah video quality is so schizophrenicinconsistent? If they could do it for last Saturday night, why not today?

Quote from: Kyle RoseWomen's game looks like crap (SD). I wonder why Lynah video quality is so schizophrenicinconsistent? If they could do it for last Saturday night, why not today?

Today's broadcast has also featured the always amusing appearance by the Big Red Question Mark.

Slightly off-topic, I hope that Princeton player is all right. Collisions with the boards were responsible for all three of my major injuries playing hockey: I respect and fear them.

Quote from: Kyle RoseSlightly off-topic, I hope that Princeton player is all right. Collisions with the boards were responsible for all three of my major injuries playing hockey: I respect and fear them.

I was in B with a friend and we were both appalled by how long it took to get the player off. It must have been a half-hour before they finally got her to the ambulance.

No me gusto rojocast.  6:48; nada.

Quote from: TrotskyNo me gusto rojocast.

No me gusta. Gustar means "to be pleasing", not "to like". Hence No (Not) me (to me) gusta (pleasing) rojocast (fuck, I'm not even going to touch that).

Please tell me I'm not the first one to correct someone's grammar in a language I don't even speak.

I thought it was me with the first time logging on for the season and renewed subscription issues. yuck.

Listening to Colgate announcer.  Can't get Redcast audio to work.  Worked fine for both CC games last weekend.

Greg found this, which works: http://wkxzfm.com/

As I just said in chat, RedCast is again meeting my expectations.

Here's the Colgate link:  

http://wkxzfm.com/listen-live/

Even more infuriating about tonight is that Sidearm supports Colgate Hockey for both audio and video, yet we wouldn't even be offered the video b/c it's an away game.

I paid %5.95 to watch/listen to the Colgate b'cast and enjoyed it very much.  Loved the comments about the "packed Starr Rink."  Was it really packed?  It is hard to tell watching the video stream but I would have sworn there were lots of empty seats.

Quote from: dag14I paid %5.95 to watch/listen to the Colgate b'cast and enjoyed it very much.  Loved the comments about the "packed Starr Rink."  Was it really packed?  It is hard to tell watching the video stream but I would have sworn there were lots of empty seats.

Announced attendance was over capacity. Certainly empty seats, and late comers; much like Lynah.

Quote from: Jim Hyla

Quote from: dag14I paid %5.95 to watch/listen to the Colgate b'cast and enjoyed it very much.  Loved the comments about the "packed Starr Rink."  Was it really packed?  It is hard to tell watching the video stream but I would have sworn there were lots of empty seats.

Announced attendance was over capacity. Certainly empty seats, and late comers; much like Lynah.

It was pretty much full. There were a few empty seats here and there, but no empty sections that stuck out. It was probably as full as could be reasonably expected for an arena of that size.

Minor Miracle (no.. not the ND kicker making a kick ::twitch::), Redcast is up and running for men's hockey and before 6:30! Pre-game show :).

Mike on the pre-game essentially saying Colgate kicked our asses up and down the ice last night.

Quote from: Rita(no.. not the ND kicker making a kick ::twitch::)

Ugh.

Interesting Mike wasn't asked about Esposito, at least while I was listening.

This product has had a multiple problems on every broadcast this year.  Last home game it froze up 3 - 5 times a period.  Tonight the audio is screwed up.  Instead of freezing up tonight it just kicks you off and you have to log on again.  3 times in the first, twice in the second.  Has anyone else noticed that the HD picture has been downgraded from the first game of the year?  We put an hdmi cable to the ipad and watch it on the big screen.  Picture I think went from 1080 or 720 to 480p, which is what is coming through tonight.

Quote from: flyersgolfHas anyone else noticed that the HD picture has been downgraded from the first game of the year?  We put an hdmi cable to the ipad and watch it on the big screen.  Picture I think went from 1080 or 720 to 480p, which is what is coming through tonight.

I actually only noticed one game that appeared to my eyes to be truly HD: that would be the second Colorado College game. Other than that, it has varied from last year's awfulness to "decent" like it is tonight.

It's more confounding to me that it would be so inconsistent than if it were simply terrible every game.

Looks like they won't get my $ for the 3rd or 4th straight year.

At the end of the third period last night the Union at Yale game was tied at 2-2. My son posted a Facebook link to the game that was streaming through YouTube.  I was not able to watch the OT as I was not home (and I don't think the game streams for free to mobile devices). So in addition to RPI and QPac we now have the luxury of watching away games at Yale for free.

Yale's YouTube "Yale Campus" channel seems great.  And while the video quality of the game isn't up to RPI/BillHoward standards, it is very accessible because of the YouTube interface.  I was going to post this in a new link but it belongs here. Red Cast sucks but so do we for charging for access.::bang::

Yale Campus Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/YaleCampus/videos?view=0)

Quote from: martyAt the end of the third period last night the Union at Yale game was tied at 2-2. My son posted a Facebook link to the game that was streaming through YouTube.  I was not able to watch the OT as I was not home (and I don't think the game streams for free to mobile devices). So in addition to RPI and QPac we now have the luxury of watching away games at Yale for free.

Yale's YouTube "Yale Campus" channel seems great.  And while the video quality of the game isn't up to RPI/BillHoward standards, it is very accessible because of the YouTube interface.  I was going to post this in a new link but it belongs here. Red Cast sucks but so do we for charging for access.::bang::

Yale Campus Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/YaleCampus/videos?view=0)

I wouldn't complain about Redcast charging money if it were anywhere near this quality.

This is better than SD (360p vs. 480i), but even without being HD it's highly watchable: it's smooth and not at all blocky. And, most importantly, it just works. No silly logging in; no slow-ass Flash listings page; I'm guessing since it's Youtube the archives are available immediately (meaning you can also pause a live stream); and because it's Youtube it already works with everything: my tablet and phone both play these videos and they look great.

Quote from: Kyle Rose

Quote from: martyAt the end of the third period last night the Union at Yale game was tied at 2-2. My son posted a Facebook link to the game that was streaming through YouTube.  I was not able to watch the OT as I was not home (and I don't think the game streams for free to mobile devices). So in addition to RPI and QPac we now have the luxury of watching away games at Yale for free.

Yale's YouTube "Yale Campus" channel seems great.  And while the video quality of the game isn't up to RPI/BillHoward standards, it is very accessible because of the YouTube interface.  I was going to post this in a new link but it belongs here. Red Cast sucks but so do we for charging for access.::bang::

Yale Campus Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/YaleCampus/videos?view=0)

I wouldn't complain about Redcast charging money if it were anywhere near this quality.

This is better than SD (360p vs. 480i), but even without being HD it's highly watchable: it's smooth and not at all blocky. And, most importantly, it just works. No silly logging in; no slow-ass Flash listings page; I'm guessing since it's Youtube the archives are available immediately (meaning you can also pause a live stream); and because it's Youtube it already works with everything: my tablet and phone both play these videos and they look great.

Even better than archiving - you can pause and back up the stream to get your own instant replay, then hit the "live" button to catch up.  What will they think of next?

To be honest, I saw the end of the Colgate game on redcast on my phone in the middle of Boston common. It could not have been higher quality, and I could clearly hear Arthur and the fans. So when they get it right, it's totally worth it.

Nice that the Yale Campus Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/YaleCampus/videos?view=0) incorporates sports alongside other Yale videos, like it's just one more student activity. Still waiting on the YCC video, The Glory That Is New Haven.

http://youtu.be/tGn3-RW8Ajk

Quote from: rmandelhttp://youtu.be/tGn3-RW8Ajk

Cornell can put up all the ridiculous recruiting videos they want, as long as they get hockey video working like we know it should. This is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'll take choice D: All of the above.  Impossible, you say?  RedCast has fundamentally altered my sense of what is and isn't possible.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Quote from: jtn27

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

Quote from: Jordan 04

Quote from: jtn27

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

I heard reports it was better. Those reports were mistaken.

Quote from: Jordan 04

Quote from: jtn27

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

Why do people keep coming back to the NHL even though we know that they'll lose a season every time they go to collective bargaining? If you want it to get better you have to vote with your wallet, but most of us, being hardcore Cornell Hockey fans simply aren't willing keep up with the team through minimal means such as box scores and recaps on the ECACHockey.com

Quote from: css228

Quote from: Jordan 04

Quote from: jtn27

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

Why do people keep coming back to the NHL even though we know that they'll lose a season every time they go to collective bargaining? If you want it to get better you have to vote with your wallet, but most of us, being hardcore Cornell Hockey fans simply aren't willing keep up with the team through minimal means such as box scores and recaps on the ECACHockey.com

Most of our opponents have free audio feeds.

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Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

I heard reports it was better. Those reports were mistaken.

As did I. And regardless of the quality, they have close to a monopoly on being able to watch Cornell hockey online.

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Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

I heard reports it was better. Those reports were mistaken.

As did I. And regardless of the quality, they have close to a monopoly on being able to watch Cornell hockey home games online.

FYP.

For once, I can't wait until @Ylae. :-)

Sometimes people who mean well get swamped with other things. In the matrix of important vs. unimportant and time critical vs. not time critical, this one is in the same quadrant as buying life insurance: It's important but you don't really have to do it today or tomorrow. Then all of a sudden a year has gone by and then two years.

Quote from: Jordan 04Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

It's like health care.  You buy the best you can afford, that doesn't mean you don't want it to be better.

(http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/external/1388773_3970940_175125268_Web_2/0_0_00404d002faeae75a2b01475331ad969_1)

1,000 Cornell alumni will get a chance to see and compare Redcast in a month. The annual CALC (Cornell alumni leaders) conference will be in Boston the weekend of Jan. 18-19 and Saturday evening is a Big Red tailgate (2012 event above) at the Boston Marriott Copley Place with three Cornell events projected onto big screens:

* Cornell at RPI men's hockey. Video by RPI, the gold standard as we know it.
* Columbia at Cornell men's basketball. Video by NBC sports.
* Clarkson at Cornell women's hockey. Video by Redcast.

It will be interesting to see how close the RPI webcast comes to broadcast TV and how the Redcast feed from Lynah fares.

It may be worth coming to as a way to see the games free, once you pay to get in. http://www.alumni.cornell.edu/calc/index.cfm

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Quote from: Jordan 04Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

It's like health care.  You buy the best you can afford, that doesn't mean you don't want it to be better.

Even supporters of Obamacare can see a one-liner building quickly here. Maybe have a New Yorker style contest to come up with and then vote on the three best lines.

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Quote from: Jordan 04Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

It's like health care.  You buy the best you can afford, that doesn't mean you don't want it to be better.

Even supporters of Obamacare can see a one-liner building quickly here. Maybe have a New Yorker style contest to come up with and then vote on the three best lines.

You're right, I should have said "it's like hookers."

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Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

No, they are perfect and the definition of Goodness. The suffering that you go through to watch CU haockey is all part of a master plan that we simply cannot comprehend. Glory to RedCast.

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Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

No, they are perfect and the definition of Goodness. The suffering that you go through to watch CU haockey is all part of a master plan that we simply cannot comprehend. Glory to RedCast.

I know, you were just trying to mimic the Redcast. Or was it a poor Boston accent.::dribble::

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Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

No, they are perfect and the definition of Goodness. The suffering that you go through to watch CU haockey is all part of a master plan that we simply cannot comprehend. Glory to RedCast.

I know, you were just trying to mimic the Redcast. Or was it a poor Boston accent.::dribble::

I wish I were. But, as you can see, my humor is not that sophisticated. Just a typo from an imperfect being with diminishing eyesight.

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Quote from: Kyle RoseThis is not rocket science: as Yale has shown, this is a solved problem.

This is really the heart of the situation.  The remaining question is whether RedCast (and perhaps, by extension, Cornell) is stupid, crazy or malevolent.

Stupid: They are doing the best they can, they're just incompetent.

Crazy: They sincerely don't know they suck; they actually think the product meets user requirements.

Malevolent: They don't care.  Every dollar clawed from the users is pure profit when effort is zero.

I'm not sure if that's malevolence, so much as apathy. If people are paying for it at a relatively constant rate, why bother trying to improve it?

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone here who complains about a shitty product year after year keeps purchasing it.

I heard reports it was better. Those reports were mistaken.

I've skimmed parts of this thread, so maybe someone has already pointed this out, but it looks like the user controls the quality setting. I'm just noticing this now as I watch the replay of the St. Lawrence game that there's a slider on the control panel right below the volume slider. I had assumed that quality would be self adjusting and optimize based on my download speed, but it looks like sliding the bar yourself dictates the quality.

Quote from: JasonN95I've skimmed parts of this thread, so maybe someone has already pointed this out, but it looks like the user controls the quality setting. I'm just noticing this now as I watch the replay of the St. Lawrence game that there's a slider on the control panel right below the volume slider. I had assumed that quality would be self adjusting and optimize based on my download speed, but it looks like sliding the bar yourself dictates the quality.

The user interface has changed, for the better, since I last watched a Redcast archive.  You can also right click to pick your stream quality or choose automatic selection.

In addition, the stream quality of the archives has improved. The archives max out at 480p/1167 kbps.  That is crystal clear, and it's far superior to what was available in previous years.  Because of the equipment upgrades, we now have a first-rate source video.

The next question is whether that high-quality video can be sent to end users when hundreds of people are trying to watch live feeds simultaneously. This is where Redcast has fallen short of expectations during most of the home games this fall.

Acquiring the bandwidth to guarantee a high-quality feed to all end users during a popular live webcast isn't cheap. I believe this is why Cornell Athletics loses money on Redcast.

Fortunately, YouTube is looking to offer a lot more live programming.  Last month, YouTube signed a deal with the NBA to broadcast d-league games (http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/3035/nba-d-league-to-air-games-on-youtube).  The d-league has its own YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/nbadleague).

Based on what I have learned from the producer of Yale men's hockey games, Yale's deal with YouTube provides Yale with free access to YouTube streaming with both entities splitting ad revenue, if any. (Yale isn't obliged to show commercials on its programming.)  This contract structure is consistent with what I have heard from a friend at Google regarding YouTube's plan to show many more live streams.

YouTube might be the model that provides us with a streaming agreement across ECAC Hockey. Leaguewide streaming has been something many of us have longed for, and last spring Phil Fibiger even emailed ADs and coaches around the league about the possibility of the conference streaming all games with the quality of the RPI.tv webcasts.

The NorthEast Conference has done leaguewide streaming this season, albeit with a different streaming service and not at RPI.tv quality.  The NEC agreement is how Quinnipiac began showing free webcasts of hockey games.

Of course, if all or most ECAC schools start streaming games on YouTube (I don't know of Q has to show its games on NEC Front Row), it would not guarantee high-quality feeds like RPI.tv's.  However, the YouTube model would give schools free access to the bandwidth needed to show high-definition feeds.  Hopefully, eliminating that cost would encourage more schools to upgrade its video equipment like Cornell did last summer.

At the very least, getting most ECAC Hockey games on YouTube would save many of us a good chunk of change. And I wouldn't mind that either.

Anybody know why the audio Redcasts against Denver are not showing up as upcoming broadcasts?

Quote from: Roy 82Anybody know why the audio Redcasts against Denver are not showing up as upcoming broadcasts?

Strange.  Game preview at cornellbigred.com makes no mention of Redcasts.  Hockey schedule has an "Audio" link that leads to Redcasts but no mention of the games there.  WHCU is said to be doing radio.  Another Redcasts success story?

There is audio tonight but the links sometimes don't go active until just before game time.  Edit:  the link is up, as is one for Saturday's audio coverage.

So here are the 2 emails I received from Sidearm Streaming Support:

QuoteHello James,

We apologize for any inconvenience, but Cornell is not streaming any games on their All Access site today. The links on Cornell's pages are created by the school, and they direct you to the All Access page even if there is no game scheduled for streaming on that day. If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to let us know.

Best,

at 7:25 PM

QuoteHello James,

Cornell has just updated their REDCast page and have included radio coverage of the Men's Hockey game at Denver today. Feel free to follow the game at cornellbigred.com/showcase.

Best,

at 7:40 PM

The audio is tinny, but it's there.

No audio for Yale game tonight, as of 7:24 pm

Quote from: flyersgolfNo audio for Yale game tonight, as of 7:24 pm

Watch Yale's free video.

Redcast video stream for the Brown game shows some improvement and thank goodness the English language has the word "marginal" to qualify them. The video quality is better that a year or two ago. There were still video freezes, many audio dropouts of my feed, the single camera that still can be obscured by fans standing, and no instant replay. It feels like standard-def analog TV now. That's something.

If not for the fans who can't get to Lynah, I hope this is improved for the parents of players watching from afar and for the potential recruits. The video is clear enough that you can see every seat filled. I noticed two seats go empty in the corner about two rows up (popcorn run ... during the game?) and thought, I would *love* to be in those seats.

I didn't have any video freezes.  There are still those mysterious moments when Jason drops the mic and stalks off stage.

Quote from: TrotskyI didn't have any video freezes.  There are still those mysterious moments when Jason drops the mic and stalks off stage.

And we didn't get the commericals during the Brown game. I had a friend visiting and was streaming the audio and she commented on the periodic spots of dead air and wondered if I needed to refresh the browswer.  She didn't mind having dinner with Cornell hockey in the background, but then again, I used to drag her to bars so  that we would have enough people to get a tv with sound for the "Lafayette, IN watch parties".

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Quote from: TrotskyI didn't have any video freezes.  There are still those mysterious moments when Jason drops the mic and stalks off stage.

And we didn't get the commericals during the Brown game. I had a friend visiting and was streaming the audio and she commented on the periodic spots of dead air and wondered if I needed to refresh the browswer.  She didn't mind having dinner with Cornell hockey in the background, but then again, I used to drag her to bars so  that we would have enough people to get a tv with sound for the "Lafayette, IN watch parties".

The wrestling feed Saturday had audio of the commercials and then went silent during the matches.

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Quote from: TrotskyI didn't have any video freezes.  There are still those mysterious moments when Jason drops the mic and stalks off stage.

And we didn't get the commericals during the Brown game. I had a friend visiting and was streaming the audio and she commented on the periodic spots of dead air and wondered if I needed to refresh the browswer.  She didn't mind having dinner with Cornell hockey in the background, but then again, I used to drag her to bars so  that we would have enough people to get a tv with sound for the "Lafayette, IN watch parties".

The wrestling feed Saturday had audio of the commercials and then went silent during the matches.

Those Pepsi Throwbacks aren't going to flack themselves.

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Quote from: TrotskyI didn't have any video freezes.  There are still those mysterious moments when Jason drops the mic and stalks off stage.

And we didn't get the commericals during the Brown game. I had a friend visiting and was streaming the audio and she commented on the periodic spots of dead air and wondered if I needed to refresh the browswer.  She didn't mind having dinner with Cornell hockey in the background, but then again, I used to drag her to bars so  that we would have enough people to get a tv with sound for the "Lafayette, IN watch parties".

The wrestling feed Saturday had audio of the commercials and then went silent during the matches.

Those Pepsi Throwbacks aren't going to flack themselves.

Drifting, are Throwbacks good to drink? I am partial to Mexican Coke, but haven't tried the Pepsi product. (Also +1 for Sierra Mist and others with cane sugar.)

I have not bothered to list all the screw ups from this service the last few games.  Video cutting out multiple times, no HD etc.  But tonight the service cut out at the beginning of the 3rd and I could not get back on.  RedCast is dead, like the server went down.  Well I guess I will catch up on Shameless from last week.

Quote from: flyersgolfI not bothered to list all the screw ups from this service the last few games.  Video cutting out multiple times, no HD etc.  But tonight the service cut out at the beginning of the 3rd and I could not get back on.  RedCast is dead, like the server went down.  Well I guess I will catch up on Shameless from last week.

I'm still on, but at least I know not to disconnect or I might wind up unable to get back on. Though with the way this game is going, that might be a blessing...

Redcast perfect for me. Nice goal, down 2 with 2 minutes, just pulled Iles, called TO and New Cornell Fight Song.

Let's see what we can do...

AAAAAAND Dags gives it away in front of an empty goal.

Yay.

Quote from: BMacLet's see what we can do...

nothing.

I was going to say, best broadcast since Colorado College, looked great on the big screen.  Then the 3rd period was a disaster, typical redcast. Losing picture, having to log on 3 times, voice and video out of sequence.   Is this because more users were on in the 3rd period?  Also not sure what camera operator was focusing on, should follow the puck.

Quote from: flyersgolfAlso not sure what camera operator was focusing on, should follow the puck.

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to whether the camera operator was watching the game or being distracted by watching Up in Smoke on his or her smartphone.  Sloooooooow panning...

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Quote from: flyersgolfAlso not sure what camera operator was focusing on, should follow the puck.

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to whether the camera operator was watching the game or being distracted by watching Up in Smoke on his or her smartphone.  Sloooooooow panning...

Fluid pan head would help. If they've got one already, then the rule has to be: Only study for exams between periods.

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Quote from: flyersgolfAlso not sure what camera operator was focusing on, should follow the puck.

Yeah, I was a bit confused as to whether the camera operator was watching the game or being distracted by watching Up in Smoke on his or her smartphone.  Sloooooooow panning...

Fluid pan head would help. If they've got one already, then the rule has to be: Only study for exams between periods.

It doesn't help if the operator doesn't pan. Random tech is not the solution to everything Bill.

So, how was the Redcast? The video replay on the ECAC site looked quite good. (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/video/2012-13/20132302_Cornell_Union-desktop) Tough that the intro pic shows Gotovets, who didn't play.

RedCast was completely acceptable this weekend.  It started on time and didn't drop.  The have managed my expectations really well that this is considered a solid A.

Quote from: TrotskyRedCast was completely acceptable this weekend.  It started on time and didn't drop.  The have managed my expectations really well that this is considered a solid A.

Any grading of A within a thread title including the word "sucks" has to be suspect.

This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

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Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

I'm guessing NOT the RPI.tv video team. :-/

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Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

I'm guessing NOT the RPI.tv video team. :-/

I am guessing that it is. :)

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Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

I'm guessing NOT the RPI.tv video team. :-/

I am guessing that it is. :)

http://rpitv.org/news_updates/17-rpi-tv-to-produce-broadcast-of-ecac-womens-hockey-championship-to-be-aired-on-espn3

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Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

I'm guessing NOT the RPI.tv video team. :-/

I am guessing that it is. :)

http://rpitv.org/news_updates/17-rpi-tv-to-produce-broadcast-of-ecac-womens-hockey-championship-to-be-aired-on-espn3

Excellent::banana::::banana::. I hope they bring their toys (they don't want to depend on the Redcast cables).  And we get Digit too. Bonus.

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Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

I'm guessing NOT the RPI.tv video team. :-/

I am guessing that it is. :)

http://rpitv.org/news_updates/17-rpi-tv-to-produce-broadcast-of-ecac-womens-hockey-championship-to-be-aired-on-espn3

The RedCast crew had the right of first refusal but declined to do the broadcast due to prior commitments.

::drunk::::drunk::::drunk::

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Quote from: Chris '03This will be a fun comparison:

http://static.psbin.com/h/0/efrzosleb1vas6/Tournament_TV_Annoucement_Women.pdf

Guess who the ECAC has hired to shoot it? ::innocent::

I'm guessing NOT the RPI.tv video team. :-/

I am guessing that it is. :)

http://rpitv.org/news_updates/17-rpi-tv-to-produce-broadcast-of-ecac-womens-hockey-championship-to-be-aired-on-espn3

The RedCast crew had the right of first refusal but declined to do the broadcast due to prior commitments.

::drunk::::drunk::::drunk::

Just finished watching the Womens game. The RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

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Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

I think the RPI crew got to experience the "fun and trials" of broadcasting from Lynah. The 3rd period of the Clarkson-Harvard game started with only Digit on air. The play-by-play guy's (Perry somebody) mike went dead. They got his mike up, but then lost Digit. Mid way through the 3rd, they got both back.

BTW, Harvard up 3-1.  3:42 left, Clarkson has pulled their goalie.

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Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

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Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

$100 seems reasonable to me, though I'm not trying to live on a student's budget.  Then again, the students are at the games.

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Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

Is this the business model? Provide a shit product year after year after year for $30-$40, so you can eventually turn around and extort 2x, 3x, etc for a decent product? I don't know whats involved is these webcasts, but is there really a great marginal cost to what RPI produces vs. Redcast?

As for pricing, how about we start at free, since most folks have paid hundreds of dollars over the years and basically gotten nothing for their money?

The audio isn't nothing, and that's what we have really paid for -- access to the audio stream.  The video for whatever reason (lack of money for good equipment, lack of technical competence, actual fraud by Redcast and whatever insider they paid off for the rights, etc) has ever been and remains shit, however.

Quote from: TrotskyThe audio isn't nothing, and that's what we have really paid for -- access to the audio stream.

I will not pay for audio. Come on: this is 2013.

And FWIW I'm back off RedCast until something dramatic changes. IMO, Yale has set the standard with their Youtube-based offering: it works on every device that supports Youtube and it looks great.

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Quote from: TrotskyThe audio isn't nothing, and that's what we have really paid for -- access to the audio stream.

I will not pay for audio. Come on: this is 2013.

I am just a caveman, and your magical devices that allow me to see or hear hockey without going to it frighten and confuse me.  I have never gotten over the whole wonderful idea.

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Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

I'm willing to pay what fans currently shell out for the games at Yale and RPI.

Quote from: TrotskyThe audio isn't nothing, and that's what we have really paid for -- access to the audio stream.  

If they advertise video, then we're paying for video. (That's the royal we, since I haven't given them my money in a few years because of the quality issues. I'm surprised so many keep forking over the fee year after year.)

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Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

$100 seems reasonable to me, though I'm not trying to live on a student's budget.  Then again, the students are at the games.

I would probably pay $100 for Mens and Women's hockey. I would pay $200 for a season pass. Provided the quality was as good as the RPI product (I was very very happy with it). I did not renew my redcast subscription this year because of poor quality.

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Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: TowerroadThe RPI product is good, very good. If this was a hockey game the score would be RPI 6 Redcast 0. (thank heavens it is not)

Not surprised.  Who do we have to blow to wake Cornell up to reality?  Redcast is a Model T trying to compete in F-1.

Okay, serious answers now. Not hyperbole. How much would you ACTUALLY pay to get this quality video at our home games for a season? Current season package on Redcast is $40. Would you pay $80? $100? More?

$100 seems reasonable to me, though I'm not trying to live on a student's budget.  Then again, the students are at the games.

I would probably pay $100 for Mens and Women's hockey. I would pay $200 for a season pass. Provided the quality was as good as the RPI product (I was very very happy with it). I did not renew my redcast subscription this year because of poor quality.

FWIW, I just sent an email to rpi.tv (rpitv@union.rpi.edu) thanking them for doing the games and praising them for the high quality video. Oh, I copied Andy Noel on it and asked why Cornell can't do this too?  Not that I expect to get a response, but it is a Monday, and I wanted to do some griping (rather than wallowing). I hope the NC$$ contracts with RPI.TV for this Saturday's game.

It's odd that Noel, who has been quite good overall as AD, has so completely shat the bed on this, year after year.  Maybe the wrestling stream is better.

Quote from: TrotskyIt's odd that Noel, who has been quite good overall as AD, has so completely shat the bed on this, year after year.  Maybe the wrestling stream is better.

I agree. Redcast as it is today, is an opportunity lost. I gave up on it after a few years of mediocracy. Here we have presumably loyal alums with enough disposable income to pay to stream Big Red Sports. I fail to understand why the Big Red Money Raising Machine is not tugging at our heartstrings during the intermissions. Alternatively there is advertising to be sold. Think of all the businesses that advertise in the Alumni Magazines.

I think what would be ideal to happen is one or two big time alums step in and say we'll help with an endowment, but make your athletic video setup like rpi/yale whomever and make it free. I get good will towards the university watching sport, I get ill will spending time screwing around with BS video feeds. Get it right, plug the hell out of it and generate a lot of fans of major and minor sports.

In terms of advertising I noticed in the UVA lax stream they cut to a full screen advertisement page between almost every whistle while maintaining the audio from the commentators.

Quote from: BahnstormIn terms of advertising I noticed in the UVA stream they cut to a full screen advertisement page between almost every whistle while maintaining the audio from the commentators.

And, at least once, while play was on.

so people would pay $100 for redcast which us more than the season pass for NHL? to be honest paying $7-10 a game for an internet feed for a game that a ticket costs $18 is crazy.

In reality they need two priceing schemes.  Season ticket holders should be able to get the feed for less since they already have paid once up front for a game they cant attend.

I think the fee they charge now limits the people who actually buy it when added to the quality.  $5 is more a decent going rate per game. then give me some incentive to buy a season pass.

Some of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

Quote from: TrotskySome of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

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Quote from: TrotskySome of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

Why is that at all relevent? If someone came to you and said I will provide you with high quality video of Cornell sporting events for X dollars a season what would your X be. If it is $0 then so be it you clearly do not value the product. That make you a non customer.

At the end of the day it is a business decision. The users, and potential advertisers have to make this a good financial opportunity if you want it to happen. Don't hope for some alum to fund this, there are far more important priorities on campus.

FWIW campus priorities don't always dictate what gets funded with donor $ or what gets attention. It just takes engaged alumni pushing. This is a very good example:
http://www.alumni.cornell.edu/touchdown/

Its just a matter of getting the right people, who have the clout/$ to push buttons, excited about the project.

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Quote from: marty

Quote from: TrotskySome of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

Why is that at all relevent? If someone came to you and said I will provide you with high quality video of Cornell sporting events for X dollars a season what would your X be. If it is $0 then so be it you clearly do not value the product. That make you a non customer.

At the end of the day it is a business decision. The users, and potential advertisers have to make this a good financial opportunity if you want it to happen. Don't hope for some alum to fund this, there are far more important priorities on campus.

Perception of what is a reasonable price often depends on existing prices of similar products.  Certainly I have only minimal interest in watching RPI hockey when they aren't playing Cornell. But how much they charge influences my perception of what is reasonable to pay for Cornell hockey video. It affects my demand curve.

I just can't see paying a substantial portion of the price of a ticket for a video feed no matter what the quality. When the quality and reliability fall to Redcast levels I'm even less likely to do so. (The fact that on the West Coast I'm generally at work through half of the games makes it not even an option....)

I'm not expecting a rich alum to pay for hockey video. Though you may recall that it was alums from this board (or it's predecessor) o first paid for equipment to provide internet audio * so it's hardly unthinkable. If I were a rich alum (and not just an alum) I'd fund something like this long before I would pay for someone elses "far more important priorities".

* Technically, folks from the board pledged something like half the money and the boosters made up the difference.

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Quote from: Towerroad

Quote from: marty

Quote from: TrotskySome of us wouldn't pay $1 for an NHL season pass.  The comparison is not relevant.

The question was, what would you pay?

I will repeat myself. I'd pay what the Yale, QPac and RPI fans pay.

Why is that at all relevent? If someone came to you and said I will provide you with high quality video of Cornell sporting events for X dollars a season what would your X be. If it is $0 then so be it you clearly do not value the product. That make you a non customer.

At the end of the day it is a business decision. The users, and potential advertisers have to make this a good financial opportunity if you want it to happen. Don't hope for some alum to fund this, there are far more important priorities on campus.

Perception of what is a reasonable price often depends on existing prices of similar products.  Certainly I have only minimal interest in watching RPI hockey when they aren't playing Cornell. But how much they charge influences my perception of what is reasonable to pay for Cornell hockey video. It affects my demand curve.

I just can't see paying a substantial portion of the price of a ticket for a video feed no matter what the quality. When the quality and reliability fall to Redcast levels I'm even less likely to do so. (The fact that on the West Coast I'm generally at work through half of the games makes it not even an option....)

I'm not expecting a rich alum to pay for hockey video. Though you may recall that it was alums from this board (or it's predecessor) o first paid for equipment to provide internet audio * so it's hardly unthinkable. If I were a rich alum (and not just an alum) I'd fund something like this long before I would pay for someone elses "far more important priorities".

* Technically, folks from the board pledged something like half the money and the boosters made up the difference.

But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

Quote from: scoop85But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

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Quote from: scoop85But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

That makes no sense.  If I am raised in Norway and move to the Sudan, my personal experience of the unremarkableness of feeling cool has no effect on how much I will pay for air conditioning.

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Quote from: scoop85But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

That makes no sense.  If I am raised in Norway and move to the Sudan, my personal experience of the unremarkableness of feeling cool has no effect on how much I will pay for air conditioning.

In fact it might increase it. If I didn't live in Syracuse, I'd certainly be willing to spend more, not less, to see a good product. To me in that situation the ticket price would be meaningless. If there was a rich alum who subsidized ticket prices, and then I moved away, I'd be willing to cough up to see the games on video. To me the price I'm willing to pay is determined by the fun I receive. Better broadcast, more fun, regardless of ticket price. After-all, if I lived in the Sudan, my "ticket price" to see a game live, would be substantial.

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Quote from: scoop85But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

The bottom line is that given your particular set of preferences the price you are willing to pay for Redcast or a good product like RPI's is $0.00. That is ok with me. That is what I am willing to pay to watch RPI sports. So, in both cases we are not customers or potential customers so our preferences don't count with the respective institutions.

The bottom line is that Cornell is a business. To offer a crappy product like Redcast or a good product like RPI's there has to be a business case that makes sense to the University. You can argue that good will will carry the day but in the end these sorts of products need to generate revenue. The classic business model is subscriptions and advertising. I am willing to pay for a good product, but no longer willing to pay for Redcast. It will take a number of people like me and some advertisers to make quality video a reality. There may not be enough of us to make the venture go.

BTW, I put the Womens games up on my 48 inch flat panel. Wow, the RPI product really is good and worth paying for. The play by play was better than Redcast as well.

Quote from: TowerroadThe bottom line is that Cornell is a business.

Cornell is a trinity: a dream-crushing, soul-devouring juggernaut hockey program, a highly commendable socialist academic project, and a scabrous commercial real estate swindle that can eat a bag of dicks.

Isnt the real issue pretty simple
1) what is the actual cost of production
2) what quality can it be produced at
3) what is the demand
4) how much profit/loss will they stand
5) does the school really care

The answer to #1 is you could probably with some effort get the labor for almost free, we have shown that already.  the equipment cost these days is pretty low.  the place is already wired and cornell has huge bandwidth so that leaves whatever overhead cost to split the signal/insert ads which again companies do it for next to nothing on some web sites. How much time/effort doesd managing the production take?  Again i think they could get volunteers for much of this as its valuable work experience for many fields.

for #2 the quality can be whatever they want it to be. there is not tech reason it cant be high quality and in reality its not really much more expensive to produce high quality than crap quality

for #3 how much of the demand is a function of #1 and #2.  high cost/ bad quality lowers the demand. How much it lowers it is unknown as I dont think cornell has done any survey.  Surveys that that could get done for free thru Cornell infrastructure already.  Drop a question in the renewal docs, put a flyer in the SUN. post things on twitter/facebook and the athletic  dept web pages.

#4 does it need to make a profit? can it stand to produce a small loss or even a big loss?

#5 from my conversations the school does not care, they provide some service and the ATh dept does not care enough to make it better or easier or cheaper. Until someone higher up the food chain pushes little will get done.

Quote from: upprdeckIsnt the real issue pretty simple
1) what is the actual cost of production
2) what quality can it be produced at
3) what is the demand
4) how much profit/loss will they stand
5) does the school really care

The answer to #1 is you could probably with some effort get the labor for almost free, we have shown that already.  the equipment cost these days is pretty low.  the place is already wired and cornell has huge bandwidth so that leaves whatever overhead cost to split the signal/insert ads which again companies do it for next to nothing on some web sites. How much time/effort doesd managing the production take?  Again i think they could get volunteers for much of this as its valuable work experience for many fields.

for #2 the quality can be whatever they want it to be. there is not tech reason it cant be high quality and in reality its not really much more expensive to produce high quality than crap quality

for #3 how much of the demand is a function of #1 and #2.  high cost/ bad quality lowers the demand. How much it lowers it is unknown as I dont think cornell has done any survey.  Surveys that that could get done for free thru Cornell infrastructure already.  Drop a question in the renewal docs, put a flyer in the SUN. post things on twitter/facebook and the athletic  dept web pages.

#4 does it need to make a profit? can it stand to produce a small loss or even a big loss?

#5 from my conversations the school does not care, they provide some service and the ATh dept does not care enough to make it better or easier or cheaper. Until someone higher up the food chain pushes little will get done.

I suspect that #5 is the key and you are probably right.

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Quote from: KeithK

Quote from: scoop85But comparing the cost to purchase the video feed to the cost of a ticket only makes sense if actually attending the game is a realistic option.

That's your take. I get it and it's not unreasonable. But oftentimes our perception of value is influenced by other similar products. It doesn't matter that I'm in California and (mostly) can't attend Cornell game sin person. I still have the in person experience as a point of comparison for determining how much the video feed is worth.

The bottom line is that given your particular set of preferences the price you are willing to pay for Redcast or a good product like RPI's is $0.00. That is ok with me. That is what I am willing to pay to watch RPI sports. So, in both cases we are not customers or potential customers so our preferences don't count with the respective institutions.

The bottom line is that Cornell is a business. To offer a crappy product like Redcast or a good product like RPI's there has to be a business case that makes sense to the University. You can argue that good will will carry the day but in the end these sorts of products need to generate revenue. The classic business model is subscriptions and advertising. I am willing to pay for a good product, but no longer willing to pay for Redcast. It will take a number of people like me and some advertisers to make quality video a reality. There may not be enough of us to make the venture go.

BTW, I put the Womens games up on my 48 inch flat panel. Wow, the RPI product really is good and worth paying for. The play by play was better than Redcast as well.

At the risk of opening old sores, I'd like to point out that Cornell *had* a free video stream for men's ice hockey that offered more reliable video at a higher quality than the current Redcast offering about, oh, 8 years ago. Folks on this board (not me, I'll admit, as I'd already spent all of my meager graduate student spending money on season tickets) made some direct donations to help Age cover his costs. Given that the proof of concept for a free high-quality video stream was proven years ago, it shouldn't be too surprising that a fair number of people around these parts have decided that $0 is the right subscription price.

Where the comparison to the old Cornell hockey stream came apart was on full coverage - RedCast provides audio and video for a wide variety of sports, so in some sense subscription fees for the popular streams would subsidize video streaming for other sports with smaller audiences. Except, of course, that Yale is now able to provide streaming video across a wide variety of sports for free, at higher quality, and on a superior platform. Once again, the end user subscription price has been set at $0 by a direct competitor.

Cornell's AD might not have the alumni funding necessary to make the service free, but I'm pretty sure they could get it if they made a concerted effort to provide a quality product. They might not have the resources to coordinate a home-grown streaming video setup of sufficient quality to keep said alumni donors happy, but I'm sure they could get some leeway on the quality and consistency if the operation was primarily student-run. They might be stuck in a contract for a few more years with RedCast, but they'd have nobody but themselves to blame for that.

Paradoxically, some of the people who won't pay money for a stream might be more willing to make a voluntary donation to keep a decent video stream running (plus other things). I know I would - I hardly ever get to watch anything on the video stream, so paying for RedCast makes zero sense for me even if they can provide a quality product. But donating money to keep a free stream going, especially if it's student-run, seems a lot more worthwhile to me.

It's too bad we don't have a pool of talented and creative people who don't have jobs yet and are looking to build their skills and resumes.

Thanks for linking to this Touchdown initiative.

Can we get a page set up for Lynahcast?

Whom should I contact?

Video feed from Yale hockey last night was outstanding ($10 gets you access to all 4 ECAC playoff games). Lax audio-only feed from Yale today sounds like an analog underseas transmission from overseas. The commercials, inserted at the station, are clear. Ouch.

Quote from: billhowardVideo feed from Yale hockey last night was outstanding ($10 gets you access to all 4 ECAC playoff games). Lax audio-only feed from Yale today sounds like an analog underseas transmission from overseas. The commercials, inserted at the station, are clear. Ouch.

Sidearm responds to me complaint by saying it's a school problem, and they will contact the school.  Now we're just getting wall-to-wall ads.

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Quote from: billhowardVideo feed from Yale hockey last night was outstanding ($10 gets you access to all 4 ECAC playoff games). Lax audio-only feed from Yale today sounds like an analog underseas transmission from overseas. The commercials, inserted at the station, are clear. Ouch.

Sidearm responds to me complaint by saying it's a school problem, and they will contact the school.  Now we're just getting wall-to-wall ads.

But OMG unless this is a replay from 2011, there's a free - free! - video feed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7cI0FDx5Ic

The women's game is up on Redcast and the video looks much better than usual.

Also, I am getting the feed despite not being logged in, so I assume this is free.

Quote from: TrotskyThe women's game is up on Redcast and the video looks much better than usual.

Also, I am getting the feed despite not being logged in, so I assume this is free.

ncaa game ---> free

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Quote from: TrotskyThe women's game is up on Redcast and the video looks much better than usual.

Also, I am getting the feed despite not being logged in, so I assume this is free.

ncaa game ---> free

NCAA *women's* game ---> free

Redcast Highlights from QPac Game 2

Apologies for cross posting in Other Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut2hA9fPSbY)

Quote from: martyRedcast Highlights from QPac Game 2

Apologies for cross posting in Other Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut2hA9fPSbY)

Come on Redcast is not THAT good.

Quote from: martyRedcast Highlights from QPac Game 2

Apologies for cross posting in Other Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut2hA9fPSbY)

No way is that Redcast.  Quality is too good.

Is there a reason that Redcast for lacrosse has replays, but for hockey it does not?

Quote from: snert1288Is there a reason that Redcast for lacrosse has replays, but for hockey it does not?

I'm guessing that the donors who ponied up for the scoreboard also paid for the replay equipment.

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Quote from: snert1288Is there a reason that Redcast for lacrosse has replays, but for hockey it does not?

I'm guessing that the donors who ponied up for the scoreboard also paid for the replay equipment.

Right.  RedCast is just picking up the video feed that supplies the big video screen, which gives us the wonderful GOAL graphic, the corny, short video of the player scoring, etc., in addition to replays.

Especially love the contrived, sappy shots used for player intros where they start with their heads down as if scrutinizing their genitalia then look up at the camera as if caught in the act.::wtf::

Quote from: TimVEspecially love the contrived, sappy shots used for player intros where they start with their heads down as if scrutinizing their genitalia then look up at the camera as if caught in the act.::wtf::

I suppose they could be scratching.::bolt::

Who looks down when they scratch?  Who does that??

The Ivy League is launching an online network in August (https://ivyleague.prestosports.com/information/gen-releases/2012-13/releases/The_Ivy_League-NeuLion_Announce_Launch_of_the_Conferences_First-Ever_Digital_Network). Each school will have its own channel, and it looks like the schools will set their own subscription prices.

The service will be run by NeuLion, which in my experience does a really nice job with streaming content.

Quote from: WederThe Ivy League is launching an online network in August (https://ivyleague.prestosports.com/information/gen-releases/2012-13/releases/The_Ivy_League-NeuLion_Announce_Launch_of_the_Conferences_First-Ever_Digital_Network). Each school will have its own channel, and it looks like the schools will set their own subscription prices.

The service will be run by NeuLion, which in my experience does a really nice job with streaming content.

Very interesting. I'm assuming one subscription gives you access to all nine channels, which is very good.  This does bring up a few questions:

1) Will this completely replace RedCast?  

2) Does this mean that for simultaneous events like say hockey & basketball, each school will have to make a choice as to what to show on its channel?  One negative, if so.

3) Does this remove the availability of getting streaming audio from a non-Ivy road game? For example, Cornell at St. Lawrence hockey. I doubt you can count on the Cornell NeuLion team getting access to every road venue.  Another negative.

4) Does/Will NeuLion have apps for things like Roku, AppleTV, smart TVs?

Overall, good news, with some cautious optimism that this has the potential to be thrilling news. My two concerns are #2 and #3.  And hopefully the solution is not a double-dip charge with both RedCast/NeuLion.

Regarding your second concern, I can see no reason why each channel wouldn't have subchannels.

Also, it has been my impression that the league-wide streaming would replace, rather than supplement, individual schools' streaming.

will it be available on Ruku?

Single subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

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Quote from: WederThe Ivy League is launching an online network in August (https://ivyleague.prestosports.com/information/gen-releases/2012-13/releases/The_Ivy_League-NeuLion_Announce_Launch_of_the_Conferences_First-Ever_Digital_Network). Each school will have its own channel, and it looks like the schools will set their own subscription prices.

The service will be run by NeuLion, which in my experience does a really nice job with streaming content.

Very interesting. I'm assuming one subscription gives you access to all nine channels, which is very good.  This does bring up a few questions:

1) Will this completely replace RedCast?  

2) Does this mean that for simultaneous events like say hockey & basketball, each school will have to make a choice as to what to show on its channel?  One negative, if so.

3) Does this remove the availability of getting streaming audio from a non-Ivy road game? For example, Cornell at St. Lawrence hockey. I doubt you can count on the Cornell NeuLion team getting access to every road venue.  Another negative.

4) Does/Will NeuLion have apps for things like Roku, AppleTV, smart TVs?

Overall, good news, with some cautious optimism that this has the potential to be thrilling news. My two concerns are #2 and #3.  And hopefully the solution is not a double-dip charge with both RedCast/NeuLion.

It would seem by this,

QuoteThe new network, powered by the NeuLion College Platform, will provide live and on-demand video and audio content from each school

that online away game audio would go. There's no reason NeuLion needs to worry about SLU, they get the audio from CU. Dartmouth already uses NeuLion, I suspect for all sports but I'm not sure, and I looked at their Live listing. It shows video of both baseball and softball this Sat. So check out some of the sources and I think you can be somewhat reassured.

The athletic department has been sending bits of information about the new service today via Twitter (https://twitter.com/cornellsports). Of note, it seems that they are planning significant equipment upgrades at Lynah, Schoellkopf and the wrestling center.

Let's hope that this turns out to be true:
https://twitter.com/CornellSports/status/327860258653478912

I have a hard time believing in 2013 they could find something worse than Sidearm. So, I'm cautiously optimistic for next season. I'd still prefer Youtube because it plays on every video-capable device I own, but if it supports *something* that can play full-screen over HDMI at 30fps and not look like someone smeared vaseline over the lens, I'll be happy.

Quote from: TrotskySingle subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

I'll say it is about streaming quality AND his "high quality on any device." I found myself stuck out at game time more than once, and the big improvement offered by sidearm this year was that I could pretty reliably watch the stream on an iphone, and I could use airplay to sling the iphone video up to my tv without monkeying with cables/etc. If I could get a native roku or boxee app, that would be a big deal.

The rest of what they're talking about is garbage.

Quote from: TrotskySingle subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

There's no reason stats must be provided better elsewhere.  Maybe their integrated stats will turn out to be better than what you can find on CHN or USCHO or collegehockeystats.net or wherever, wouldn't that be a value-added feature?  If we're willing to give them a chance to prove that they can do a better job with video, we may as well also give them a chance to prove they can do a better job with stats, no?

More broadly, for you it's just about streaming video, but that doesn't mean there aren't many others who are interested in additional features.  We have an eLynah chat going during games, right?  Isn't that one form of social media integration?

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Quote from: TrotskySingle subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

There's no reason stats must be provided better elsewhere.  Maybe their integrated stats will turn out to be better than what you can find on CHN or USCHO or collegehockeystats.net or wherever, wouldn't that be a value-added feature?  If we're willing to give them a chance to prove that they can do a better job with video, we may as well also give them a chance to prove they can do a better job with stats, no?

More broadly, for you it's just about streaming video, but that doesn't mean there aren't many others who are interested in additional features.  We have an eLynah chat going during games, right?  Isn't that one form of social media integration?

If I can't read numbers on jerseys, I don't care what else it does or doesn't do. Get video right and then add whatever other features you want as long as those features don't get in the way of the video function. No one is paying a subscription fee for integrated twitter feeds or livestats. The difference is that there are top notch alternatives for stats and social media (CHN, elynah chat, twitter, etc.) but there aren't any alternatives for video (at least as it pertains to Cornell).

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Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: TrotskySingle subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

There's no reason stats must be provided better elsewhere.  Maybe their integrated stats will turn out to be better than what you can find on CHN or USCHO or collegehockeystats.net or wherever, wouldn't that be a value-added feature?  If we're willing to give them a chance to prove that they can do a better job with video, we may as well also give them a chance to prove they can do a better job with stats, no?

More broadly, for you it's just about streaming video, but that doesn't mean there aren't many others who are interested in additional features.  We have an eLynah chat going during games, right?  Isn't that one form of social media integration?

If I can't read numbers on jerseys, I don't care what else it does or doesn't do. Get video right and then add whatever other features you want as long as those features don't get in the way of the video function. No one is paying a subscription fee for integrated twitter feeds or livestats. The difference is that there are top notch alternatives for stats and social media (CHN, elynah chat, twitter, etc.) but there aren't any alternatives for video (at least as it pertains to Cornell).

I agree, but "video is the most important thing" does not equal "anything else they might offer is worthless".

Quote from: TrotskySingle subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

I read that quote on the release and had the same thoughts as you: The fan experience starts with the video coming through unchallenged. I'm sure they're thinking "fan experience" could mean a chat room and a chance to buy Cornell pennants.

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Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: TrotskySingle subscription model for all schools is a fine thing (as long as the other concerns are addressed).

This is bad, though:

Quote"It's not just about streaming video," said Chris Wagner, EVP and Co-Founder of NeuLion. "It's about the fan experience, the high quality video on any device, and the interaction with the game or match which includes stats, social media and more.

No, Chris, it is just about streaming video (quality).  Everything else is either provided better elsewhere (stats) or worthless crap (social media, "fan experience", etc).

There's no reason stats must be provided better elsewhere.  Maybe their integrated stats will turn out to be better than what you can find on CHN or USCHO or collegehockeystats.net or wherever, wouldn't that be a value-added feature?  If we're willing to give them a chance to prove that they can do a better job with video, we may as well also give them a chance to prove they can do a better job with stats, no?

More broadly, for you it's just about streaming video, but that doesn't mean there aren't many others who are interested in additional features.  We have an eLynah chat going during games, right?  Isn't that one form of social media integration?

If I can't read numbers on jerseys, I don't care what else it does or doesn't do. Get video right and then add whatever other features you want as long as those features don't get in the way of the video function. No one is paying a subscription fee for integrated twitter feeds or livestats. The difference is that there are top notch alternatives for stats and social media (CHN, elynah chat, twitter, etc.) but there aren't any alternatives for video (at least as it pertains to Cornell).

I agree, but "video is the most important thing" does not equal "anything else they might offer is worthless".

I'll compromise.  Until they get video perfect any development resources they spend on anything else are wasted.

There may or may not be people who really want to see their Tweets show up alongside the broadcast, or hot links to whatever crossmarketing bullshit the provider hawks.  I suppose there are -- the rot set in long ago and the programming is tough to break.  As long as they do their job first, and we have the option to turn all that stuff off, they can go wild.

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Pac-12-Enterprises-and-NeuLion-Announce-Multi-Year-Partnership-TSX-NLN-1775610.htm

PAC12 also signs up with Neulion

I just got an email from Chelsea Nunn at NeuLion. She states that at this time it's not expected to be available on smartphones or settop boxes, but that might change. If you're really interested in that, I'd suggest you email NeuLion +/or the leaque and "nicely" say how happy you are that this is happening, and how much you'd like the other options. NeuLion does have the capacity to do it.

I think you could fairly translate "has the capacity to do it" to "like we have any competition here."

Quote from: Jim HylaI just got an email from Chelsea Nunn at NeuLion. She states that at this time it's not expected to be available on smartphones or settop boxes, but that might change. If you're really interested in that, I'd suggest you email NeuLion +/or the leaque and "nicely" say how happy you are that this is happening, and how much you'd like the other options. NeuLion does have the capacity to do it.

I know this is lazy of me, but do you know to whom I should address an email if I say I want it available on my Roku - because that would be pretty sweet.

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Quote from: Jim HylaI just got an email from Chelsea Nunn at NeuLion. She states that at this time it's not expected to be available on smartphones or settop boxes, but that might change. If you're really interested in that, I'd suggest you email NeuLion +/or the leaque and "nicely" say how happy you are that this is happening, and how much you'd like the other options. NeuLion does have the capacity to do it.

I know this is lazy of me, but do you know to whom I should address an email if I say I want it available on my Roku - because that would be pretty sweet.

The email addresses are at the end of the Ivy League press release. (https://ivyleague.prestosports.com/information/gen-releases/2012-13/releases/The_Ivy_League-NeuLion_Announce_Launch_of_the_Conferences_First-Ever_Digital_Network) I sent to Chelsea Nunn at NeuLion, but I think cc to both would be the best, and the more that send in, the better. So if you know other Ivy school grads, encourage them to add to the mix.

Oh hell, here are the email addresses. I felt I might as well make it as easy as possible (for those who are lazy).:-}

MEDIA CONTACTS
Scottie Rodgers
The Ivy League
609-258-2999
scottie@ivyleaguesports.com

Chelsea Nunn
NeuLion
516-622-8381
chelsea.nunn@neulion.com

Here's what I just sent them:

QuoteChelsea, Scottie:

I'm cautiously optimistic to hear about the new Ivy League streaming video solution that has been announced, but I wanted to add my voice to those who are primarily concerned about video quality.

As a Cornell grad, I've dealt with several poor video solutions in a row for ice hockey for a decade: low bitrate, low resolution, low framerate, poor reliability, camera operator not paying attention to the game, etc. Furthermore, the inability to see away games has limited its appeal and made the value proposition questionable.

Briefly, here's my take on how the features of this service should be prioritized:

1. Video quality: high-definition, 30fps. No more of this fuzzy 240p video at 15fps. I'd like to be able to see the puck and read the numbers on the backs of the jerseys. I'd also like the camera operator to follow the game and not be caught behind the play all the time.

2. Reliability: the video stream should always be available, with updates on the website indicating the cause of the downtime and an ETA for its return in the event of problems.

3. Universality: the video stream must be available on all common platforms, including Mac and Linux. Ideally, however, it should be as universal as Youtube: I would like to be able to watch it on my Roku set top box, or from within XBMC with a plugin, or on my Android tablet/phone. That means video should be encoded in a standard format (e.g., h.264). RedCast (through Sidearm) is an example of how NOT to provide video, being limited to platforms with access to Adobe Flash.

4. Simple interface: one of the really nice things about Yale's use of Youtube has been the simple interface that Youtube provides: even from within a web browser, the interface is fast and simple, and making it full screen is possible with one click of the mouse. RedCast by contrast is an incredibly heavy-weight interface that is slow and clunky.

5. Away games: having access to both home and away Ivy League games without having to pay an additional fee or manage a separate account would be great.

6. Everything else. If you want to incorporate social networking integration or game tracking or whatever, go nuts, but please don't interfere with the video in any way because I don't care about any of this stuff: I just want the video to work.

While I love the price of Yale's solution (free), I would be happy to pay for a high-quality service that provides me with reliable and universal access.

Thanks for your consideration.

That's a great letter Kyle.  Thank you for taking the time to compose and send it.

Here's my exchange:


Bernardo:

Thank you for the nice email and words of encouragement. We are hard at work with the Ivy League to make it a success.  Thank you for making us aware the posts.

Thank you,

Greg

Gregory T. Willis
Executive Vice President, Sales & Marketing
{telephone, cell, email, and skype info (!) redacted}


 

From: Bernardo {REDACTED}
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:28 PM
To: NeuLion Sales
Subject: Ivy League Hockey



Hi,

I just wanted to write in and tell you how happy I am that you guys will be taking over the Cornell Hockey broadcasts.

There is a huge fanbase that watches games online regularly, and Cornell could easily increase it by offerring good streaming video and publicizing it properly. Although they improved quality this last season, the former vendor's videos were atrocious. To give you an idea, there is a 324 post thread on the Cornell hockey forum entitled "Redcast Really Sucks."

So: thanks! Please do a great job there, a lot of people care and will be watching.

Best,
Bernardo

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Quote from: munchkin

Quote from: Jim HylaI just got an email from Chelsea Nunn at NeuLion. She states that at this time it's not expected to be available on smartphones or settop boxes, but that might change. If you're really interested in that, I'd suggest you email NeuLion +/or the leaque and "nicely" say how happy you are that this is happening, and how much you'd like the other options. NeuLion does have the capacity to do it.

I know this is lazy of me, but do you know to whom I should address an email if I say I want it available on my Roku - because that would be pretty sweet.

The email addresses are at the end of the Ivy League press release. (https://ivyleague.prestosports.com/information/gen-releases/2012-13/releases/The_Ivy_League-NeuLion_Announce_Launch_of_the_Conferences_First-Ever_Digital_Network) I sent to Chelsea Nunn at NeuLion, but I think cc to both would be the best, and the more that send in, the better. So if you know other Ivy school grads, encourage them to add to the mix.

Oh hell, here are the email addresses. I felt I might as well make it as easy as possible (for those who are lazy).:-}

MEDIA CONTACTS
Scottie Rodgers
The Ivy League
609-258-2999
scottie@ivyleaguesports.com

Chelsea Nunn
NeuLion
516-622-8381
chelsea.nunn@neulion.com

You're the best, Jim!

I borrowed a little bit of Kyle's formatting and basic set of requests modifying them to be my own. Can't wait to see what we'll get from them. Fingers crossed it'll play via an iPad app where I can stream it to my TV or through the Roku.

Athletics is hiring:
https://twitter.com/CornellSports/statuses/360093434662486016

https://cornellu.taleo.net/careersection/10164/jobdetail.ftl?lang=en&job=21027