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Title: Penn State head coach
Post by: Ronald '09 on April 24, 2011, 03:32:27 PM
According to Bob McKenzie, PSU has hired Guy Gadowsky as their head hockey coach.

http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/62235893024559104
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: scoop85 on April 24, 2011, 03:37:25 PM
Quote from: Ronald '09According to Bob McKenzie, PSU has hired Guy Gadowsky as their head hockey coach.

http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/62235893024559104

I just saw Brian Sullivan's tweet on this as well.  I thought PSU would poach someone from one of the "Big 3" conferences, but Gadowsky is a good coach and was able to rebuild a moribund Princeton program.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Trotsky on April 24, 2011, 03:41:55 PM
The winners of 3 of the last 4 ECAC COTY are now out of the league.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: ursusminor on April 24, 2011, 03:50:23 PM
PSU announcement http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/042411aaa.html
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 24, 2011, 05:30:30 PM
Emrick just announced on the NBC NHL game.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: css228 on April 24, 2011, 07:50:41 PM
Sweet... not only did they not take Schafer, they also didn't take Jones
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: css228 on April 24, 2011, 07:59:22 PM
I'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Trotsky on April 24, 2011, 08:19:43 PM
Quote from: css228I'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Kinkaid also left Union early.  It was a good month (despite Garman leaving).
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: css228 on April 24, 2011, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: css228I'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Kinkaid also left Union early.  It was a good month (despite Garman leaving).
Forgot Kinkaid. And though Garman leaving hurts Iles isn't a bad backup plan. He just can absolutely not get hurt.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: KeithK on April 25, 2011, 12:36:27 AM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: css228I'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Kinkaid also left Union early.  It was a good month (despite Garman leaving).
Good for our league standing but bad for the league. Which makes it a bad month for us too.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Trotsky on April 25, 2011, 07:35:44 AM
Quote from: KeithKGood for our league standing but bad for the league. Which makes it a bad month for us too.
Until we join the Big Ten...   ;)
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 25, 2011, 08:00:36 AM
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: KeithKI'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Kinkaid also left Union early.  It was a good month (despite Garman leaving).
Good for our league standing but bad for the league. Which makes it a bad month for us too.[/quote]Until we join the Big Ten...   ;)[/quote]Preview button, preview button...:-}
Title: Re: Penn State head coach out of Princeton
Post by: billhoward on April 25, 2011, 11:29:14 AM
Quote from: KeithKGood for our league standing but bad for the league. Which makes it a bad month for us too.
Exactly. We want respectable ECAC and Ivy League teams that can do damage in the NCAAs (other than to themselves). Yale shoulda won it all, at least on paper. And they still have their coach, who is good. I wonder if Princeton will want to think about building Hobey Baker II sometime in the next decade. A nice 3,500-seat architectural gem that would give the Tigers an extra 1,500 empty seats. [Thread drift: Thinking of big stadiums and bigger egos, UMass in football plans to play home games at Foxboro, 95 miles from campus.]
Title: Re: Penn State head coach out of Princeton
Post by: Chris '03 on April 25, 2011, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: billhoward[Thread drift: Thinking of big stadiums and bigger egos, UMass in football plans to play home games at Foxboro, 95 miles from campus.]

They had to build a new stadium or play elsewhere to accommodate the move to D-IA (the MAC, really?)
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: ursusminor on April 25, 2011, 01:07:40 PM
Quote from: css228I'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Interesting logic, but I guess that this is the time of the year for fans of all teams to be optimistic. (me too :-D )

Let me just comment about RPI. No one has left who wasn't expected to leave (at least not yet). It was clear to everyone following the program that York was more likely to leave than not. I would be very surprised if his replacement isn't already known to Coach Appert.

Polacek, of course, was a senior. Considering that when D'Amigo and Pirri left last summer, their scholarships were not filled with new recruits (note that the 'Tute's last recruit last year is listed as 5/1/10 on Heisenberg's list), Polacek and his classmates will be more than replaced. Indeed it appears that RPI's incoming class is its best since 1982. Granted that some of the recruits may not fit in until the second half of the season, and I won't really be confident that the long-awaited Jacob Laliberté will show up until he actually plays a game, but I am quite happy as to what the team looks like for next season.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: css228 on April 25, 2011, 02:07:29 PM
Quote from: ursusminor
Quote from: css228I'd also like to point out that our odds next year just got better in a month. Here's how. First Yale basically graduates its team, and Polaceck and York leave RPI. Then Union's coach goes to Providence, and Princeton's coach hits the trail to be the head coach of PSU's new program. Clarkson also fired its coach. So basically the only teams at the top half of the ECAC with any stability were Dartmouth and CU. Anyone else like our odds?
Interesting logic, but I guess that this is the time of the year for fans of all teams to be optimistic. (me too :-D )

Let me just comment about RPI. No one has left who wasn't expected to leave (at least not yet). It was clear to everyone following the program that York was more likely to leave than not. I would be very surprised if his replacement isn't already known to Coach Appert.

Polacek, of course, was a senior. Considering that when D'Amigo and Pirri left last summer, their scholarships were not filled with new recruits (note that the 'Tute's last recruit last year is listed as 5/1/10 on Heisenberg's list), Polacek and his classmates will be more than replaced. Indeed it appears that RPI's incoming class is its best since 1982. Granted that some of the recruits may not fit in until the second half of the season, and I won't really be confident that the long-awaited Jacob Laliberté will show up until he actually plays a game, but I am quite happy as to what the team looks like for next season.
My point is simply that our offseason has been relatively stable compared to every other team in the league, so we should be be in good shape. And just because the guys who left were expected to leave doesn't make it any easier. Yale is graduating their best class ever. Yes they were all expected to leave. But it doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. Also any word on whether Hudon si going to be able to accelerate his graduation or do we have to wait one more year to watch him grace the ice at Lynah?
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 25, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
So for those that haven't been reading CHN on realignment, here are two articles. first, Adam's take on what might happen (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/03/22_commentary_into_the_unknown.php), then discussion of the possible super six. (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/04/23_forget_the_super_six.php) If you want a small school killer, that's probably the best you can get.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: billhoward on April 27, 2011, 09:09:37 AM
Quote from: Jim HylaSo for those that haven't been reading CHN on realignment, here are two articles. first, Adam's take on what might happen (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/03/22_commentary_into_the_unknown.php), then discussion of the possible super six. (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/04/23_forget_the_super_six.php) If you want a small school killer, that's probably the best you can get.
In theory, the big markets or big conferences dominate sports. The No. 1 example is the New York Yankees. The No. 2 example is ... what? How much correlation is there between market size or conference clout and who comes out on top? Minnesota Duluth as the hockey champion in the NCAAs, Baylor and Cornell No. 2 in basketball and wrestling this year. Adam Wodon in his column notes the backfire effect when college teams try to stockpile too many good players.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Josh '99 on April 27, 2011, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: Jim HylaSo for those that haven't been reading CHN on realignment, here are two articles. first, Adam's take on what might happen (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/03/22_commentary_into_the_unknown.php), then discussion of the possible super six. (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/04/23_forget_the_super_six.php) If you want a small school killer, that's probably the best you can get.
In theory, the big markets or big conferences dominate sports. The No. 1 example is the New York Yankees. The No. 2 example is ... what? How much correlation is there between market size or conference clout and who comes out on top? Minnesota Duluth as the hockey champion in the NCAAs, Baylor and Cornell No. 2 in basketball and wrestling this year. Adam Wodon in his column notes the backfire effect when college teams try to stockpile too many good players.
What does Duluth winning the tournament prove, exactly?  Look at the last 20 champions and it's just usual suspect after usual suspect; one gate-crasher winning the Frozen Four doesn't mean the hockey equivalents of "big markets" (BC/BU/UND/UMN/etc.) are less dominant any more than one World Series championship by the Diamondbacks means the Yankees are no longer a threat year after year.  And let's put Duluth in some perspective too - they're a team from the strongest conference and they've been playing at a high level for years; it's not like this was Bentley or something.
Title: Re: Penn State head coach
Post by: Swampy on April 27, 2011, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: Josh '99
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: Jim HylaSo for those that haven't been reading CHN on realignment, here are two articles. first, Adam's take on what might happen (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/03/22_commentary_into_the_unknown.php), then discussion of the possible super six. (http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2011/04/23_forget_the_super_six.php) If you want a small school killer, that's probably the best you can get.
In theory, the big markets or big conferences dominate sports. The No. 1 example is the New York Yankees. The No. 2 example is ... what? How much correlation is there between market size or conference clout and who comes out on top? Minnesota Duluth as the hockey champion in the NCAAs, Baylor and Cornell No. 2 in basketball and wrestling this year. Adam Wodon in his column notes the backfire effect when college teams try to stockpile too many good players.
What does Duluth winning the tournament prove, exactly?  Look at the last 20 champions and it's just usual suspect after usual suspect; one gate-crasher winning the Frozen Four doesn't mean the hockey equivalents of "big markets" (BC/BU/UND/UMN/etc.) are less dominant any more than one World Series championship by the Diamondbacks means the Yankees are no longer a threat year after year.  And let's put Duluth in some perspective too - they're a team from the strongest conference and they've been playing at a high level for years; it's not like this was Bentley or something.

I agree with Josh. Also, the biggest markets usually have strong pro teams. In general, college teams do better when they don't have such competition. Although there are exceptions, like USC in LA, big-time college football thrives in cities like Austin, Columbus, and Ann Arbor. Big-time basketball, on Tobacco Road. Etc.