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Title: March Madness
Post by: Trotsky on March 17, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
Princeton up on Kentucky 42-37 in the second half.  It wouldn't exactly be payback, but I'd like it.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on March 17, 2011, 04:47:20 PM
Kind of nice if another 13-seed from the Ivies does well. That 14-4 (so far) Kentucky run doesn't bode well for the Tigers.

Trying to follow the Kentucky players using last year's Cornell-Syracuse program. Not much help.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Rita on March 17, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
Bummer. Princeton is going to have to wait 4-5 years to get that NC$$ tourney victory over Kentucky.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 17, 2011, 05:07:38 PM
Final 59-57 favor of the cheaters.  ::barf::
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jordan 04 on March 17, 2011, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: RitaBummer. Princeton is going to have to wait 4-5 years to get that NC$$ tourney victory over Kentucky.

Rita,

You like to repeatedly make this joke re: Kentucky, but you do realize that neither Cornell nor Princeton get wins if Kentucky is forced to vacate wins down the road?  Vacate =! forfeit.

Too bad for Princeton. Terrible job to not even get the shot off in time.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 01, 2011, 11:15:44 AM
And it looks like Princeton is about to lose their coach to Fairfield. Only thought he would leave for a big 6 conf job considering how much he loved the school and was crying in the post game press conf about how proud he was of the team. Then again cant really blame him, Fairfield had a decent team this year, has better facilities, and will probably double his salary
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: mountainred on April 01, 2011, 02:02:29 PM
I'm stunned that SJ would jump to Fairfield, I figured he would wait for a Big 6 job too.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 01, 2011, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: mountainredI'm stunned that SJ would jump to Fairfield, I figured he would wait for a Big 6 job too.
We can be prouder of where we lost our guy to.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 01, 2011, 11:10:05 PM
I guess, I just hope Donahue has enough success to stay there for awhile
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 01, 2011, 11:15:43 PM
Quote from: phillysportsfanI guess, I just hope Donahue has enough success to stay there for awhile
Right. Fairfield seems like a steppingstone coaching job.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 01, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WK-AX371B_SP_MA_G_20110331183021.jpg)
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 02, 2011, 02:34:59 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Former-Kentucky-basketball-staffer-Bilal-Batley-broke-NCAA-rules-040111
QuoteBut forgotten in Calipari's quick turnaround of Kentucky is a native of this bustling metroplex who was instrumental in the Wildcats' resurrection: Bilal Batley.

Batley abruptly resigned as assistant director of basketball operations/manager after he violated NCAA rules by rebounding for a player during a workout in July 2009. Kentucky self-reported the secondary violation and sent Batley a letter of admonishment.

Batley's job did not allow him to have on-court interaction with players. When he resigned, a team spokesman said he did so to return home because of an illness in his family.

But a nearly two-year FOXSports.com investigation revealed that Batley also broke NCAA rules by making repeated impermissible telephone calls while at both Memphis and Kentucky to recruits such as DeMarcus Cousins and their parents.

When approached by a FOXSports.com reporter after his news conference on Friday, Calipari refused to address any questions concerning whether he was aware of Batley's calls and whether or not Kentucky self-reported the violations.

NCAA rules state that all telephone calls made to or received from a recruit, his parents, legal guardians or coaches must be made and received by a team's head coach or three countable assistant coaches.

According to Memphis and Kentucky, Batley was not a countable coach at either school. NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson declined comment to FOXSports.com on the alleged violations.

But Cousins, a Sacramento Kings rookie forward who played for Kentucky as a freshman last season and then left for the NBA draft, said Batley played a "big role" in him committing first to Memphis. He then followed Calipari to Kentucky shortly after the coach's hiring in April 2009.

Ironically a foxsports.com investigation revealed today that a former UK assistant made improper phone calls when recruiting Cousins which is against the rules because only the 3 assistants and the head coach can make phone calls. Hard to root for either of the cheaters tomorrow Calhoun and Calimari, I just hope Butler or VCU wins it all
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 02, 2011, 07:12:36 AM
The new Wall Street Journal is trying very hard to be a relevant national newspaper with some sports coverage and this is one of their better efforts. It points out that while this final four is great for discussions, it's not going to be very good basketball Monday night. It could but the odds of such poorly ranked teams taking down UConn or Kentucky are improbable.

Even with Butler and VCU not going down in the round of 16, you know there'll be clamoring for even more teams and soon we'll have a field of 128, which increases the odds the favorites will slip somewhere unless say the top 32 (gag) or 16 get the first game off. The NCAA would love a six game tournament for everyone. I suppose at most schools it won't hurt the academics. Kentucky players will be one and done regardless and Princeton players will still wind up on Wall Street.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Trotsky on April 02, 2011, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: billhowardPrinceton players will still wind up on Wall Street.
Working for the Journal.

See what I did there?
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 02, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
I wouldnt assume that UK, UConn are automatically going to destroy Butler/VCU. VCU dominated Kansas for most of the game and has been on quite the roll beating all their opponents by double digits except FSU who was a tough matchup given their good defense against 3pt shooting. The only thing I worry about VCU is that their hot 3pt shooting falls back to what it was during the regular season or that they get distracted by all of the hype they got this week. Everyone has been picking against VCU and they just keep winning, keep doubting them and they will end up winning it all. And Butler just finds a way to win whether it is a tip in at the buzzer against ODU, a fluke foul against Pitt, or coming back from 11 in the 2nd half against Florida.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 02, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: Damon Runyon"The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet."
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 04, 2011, 05:30:24 PM
And Princeton's coach Sydney Johnson is off to Fairfield, amazing considering he went there, was a senior captain, etc. Meanwhile VCU's coach stays off after getting a raise from $325K to $1.2 million a year. If the league doesnt want to pay coaches this will continue to happen, all about money
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 04, 2011, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: phillysportsfanAnd Princeton's coach Sydney Johnson is off to Fairfield, amazing considering he went there, was a senior captain, etc. Meanwhile VCU's coach stays off after getting a raise from $325K to $1.2 million a year. If the league doesnt want to pay coaches this will continue to happen, all about money
As has been stated, it's the purpose of the NCAA to use students to enrich the pay of coaches and others.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Ben on April 04, 2011, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: phillysportsfanAnd Princeton's coach Sydney Johnson is off to Fairfield, amazing considering he went there, was a senior captain, etc. Meanwhile VCU's coach stays off after getting a raise from $325K to $1.2 million a year. If the league doesnt want to pay coaches this will continue to happen, all about money
For what it's worth, the Cornell Basketball Blog guys seem to think it's also because he didn't feel that Princeton would be able to stay competitive given Harvard's reduced academic standards. Still a bit weird for the guy who cried after his team's tourney exit a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 04, 2011, 08:25:20 PM
Unless he was crying because he knew he would leave
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 05, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
First half of Butler-UConn, I agreed with the Butler coach: awesome defensive battle. Kind of like what TimV was saying about Notre Dame-Duke title lax game last year. The second half showed what happens when it strikes midnight and Cinderalla's party ends. It was so bad it was almost worth watching to see how long Butler (18% shooting) could go without a hoop. It would have been amazing had Butler won - college version of Hoosiers.

I wish VCU hadn't gone so far. NCAA gets ammo for expanding to 96 (do we hear 128?). The more games, the more chances a nobody will beat a somebody, and then the nobodies can say, "See, anything is possible." I could see 96 teams and 33-96 play to make it a seven game series with the first 32 getting byes. That would protect the Kentuckies of the world.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: KeithK on April 05, 2011, 05:59:42 PM
Why not maximize the excitement?  Invite all 346 teams to the dance!  Nine rounds, 166 byes in the first round!!  More games, more upsets, more thrills!!!  Joining the Sweet Sixteen are the Spectacular Sixty Four and the Wonderful One Hundred Twenty Eight!!!! :-|
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 05, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
96 would ruin the tournament, the whole Big Least would make it along with most of the other BCS teams, the regular season would be absolutely meaningless for those BCS teams
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 05, 2011, 10:03:31 PM
Quote from: KeithKWhy not maximize the excitement?  Invite all 346 teams to the dance!  Nine rounds, 166 byes in the first round!!  More games, more upsets, more thrills!!!  Joining the Sweet Sixteen are the Spectacular Sixty Four and the Wonderful One Hundred Twenty Eight!!!! :-|
Good thing there's no reasonable number of tournament teams doesn't start with F.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Josh '99 on April 05, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
Quote from: KeithKWhy not maximize the excitement?  Invite all 346 teams to the dance!  Nine rounds, 166 byes in the first round!!  More games, more upsets, more thrills!!!  Joining the Sweet Sixteen are the Spectacular Sixty Four and the Wonderful One Hundred Twenty Eight!!!! :-|
Yes yes yes, we all know how you feel about at-large tournament bids by now.  :-}
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 06, 2011, 07:54:53 AM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: KeithKWhy not maximize the excitement?  Invite all 346 teams to the dance!  Nine rounds, 166 byes in the first round!!  More games, more upsets, more thrills!!!  Joining the Sweet Sixteen are the Spectacular Sixty Four and the Wonderful One Hundred Twenty Eight!!!! :-|
Good thing there's no reasonable number of tournament teams doesn't start with F.

Foolish?  Far-fetched?  ::dribble::
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Trotsky on April 06, 2011, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: phillysportsfan96 would ruin the tournament, the whole Big Least would make it along with most of the other BCS teams, the regular season would be absolutely meaningless for those BCS teams
Require at least .500 in conference play for an at large -- problem solved.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Rita on April 11, 2011, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: phillysportsfanAnd Princeton's coach Sydney Johnson is off to Fairfield, amazing considering he went there, was a senior captain, etc. Meanwhile VCU's coach stays off after getting a raise from $325K to $1.2 million a year. If the league doesnt want to pay coaches this will continue to happen, all about money

Another "love of the school v. love of money" situation arising:
Amaker to Miami (FL)? (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6330878)
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 11, 2011, 04:40:44 PM
I would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jim Hyla on April 11, 2011, 05:12:05 PM
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
I respect him so much, that I'd love to see him back in the big time. And of course, fall flat on his face again. Unfortunately I'm afraid he learned too much from his mistakes, and he won't take that chance again.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 12, 2011, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
I respect him so much, that I'd love to see him back in the big time. And of course, fall flat on his face again. Unfortunately I'm afraid he learned too much from his mistakes, and he won't take that chance again.

It's such a good fit.  A cheating coach at a cheating school.  They're made for each other.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: billhoward on April 12, 2011, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
What other inducement, then, could Miami offer to Harvard's coach?

I'm trying to recall the history of Miami president Donna E. Shalala. Does she have an uneasy relationship with athletics departments and have doubts about their place in high-end colleges? She's been on the job for 10 years and these have not been the greatest for the Miami football team. OTOH it is no longer the team that Sports Illustrated described as the one that gets its team picture shot "from the front and both sides."

Miami would be a more likely steppingstone back to Duke.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Rita on April 12, 2011, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
What other inducement, then, could Miami offer to Harvard's coach?

I'm trying to recall the history of Miami president Donna E. Shalala. Does she have an uneasy relationship with athletics departments and have doubts about their place in high-end colleges? She's been on the job for 10 years and these have not been the greatest for the Miami football team. OTOH it is no longer the team that Sports Illustrated described as the one that gets its team picture shot "from the front and both sides."

Miami would be a more likely steppingstone back to Duke.

FWIW, the Univ. of Miami now has an AD (http://www6.miami.edu/communications/everitas/2010/04-12-11Extra.html).

"Shawn M. Eichorst has been hired as the new director of athletics.
Since 2009, Eichorst has served as deputy athletic director at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, where his responsibilities under Director of Athletics Barry Alvarez."
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: ugarte on April 12, 2011, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Rita
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
What other inducement, then, could Miami offer to Harvard's coach?

I'm trying to recall the history of Miami president Donna E. Shalala. Does she have an uneasy relationship with athletics departments and have doubts about their place in high-end colleges? She's been on the job for 10 years and these have not been the greatest for the Miami football team. OTOH it is no longer the team that Sports Illustrated described as the one that gets its team picture shot "from the front and both sides."

Miami would be a more likely steppingstone back to Duke.

FWIW, the Univ. of Miami now as an AD (http://www6.miami.edu/communications/everitas/2010/04-12-11Extra.html).

"Shawn M. Eichorst has been hired as the new director of athletics.
Since 2009, Eichorst has served as deputy athletic director at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, where his responsibilities under Director of Athletics Barry Alvarez."
From what I recall, Shalala had a great relationship with Alvarez and was there as he built the Badgers into a regular Rose Bowl participant. I wouldn't be surprised if Alvarez's recommendation was what got Eichorst the job.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Rita on April 12, 2011, 03:38:59 PM
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
What other inducement, then, could Miami offer to Harvard's coach?

I'm trying to recall the history of Miami president Donna E. Shalala. Does she have an uneasy relationship with athletics departments and have doubts about their place in high-end colleges? She's been on the job for 10 years and these have not been the greatest for the Miami football team. OTOH it is no longer the team that Sports Illustrated described as the one that gets its team picture shot "from the front and both sides."

Miami would be a more likely steppingstone back to Duke.

Love of Harvard wins this round. (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/ncb/news/story?id=6338257)
Amaker to stay in Cambridge.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on April 12, 2011, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: Rita
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: phillysportsfanI would say Amaker leaving would be even more surprising, there have been a few articles how he has weekly lunches with professors and his wife has a job there, they really seem to like Harvard. Plus he has a great recruiting class coming in this year and should win the league this year. He has Ballmer throwing tons of money at Harvard and they are building a new arena soon. He sounds like he wants to make Harvard, the Butler of the East, would be very surprising to see him leave
What other inducement, then, could Miami offer to Harvard's coach?

I'm trying to recall the history of Miami president Donna E. Shalala. Does she have an uneasy relationship with athletics departments and have doubts about their place in high-end colleges? She's been on the job for 10 years and these have not been the greatest for the Miami football team. OTOH it is no longer the team that Sports Illustrated described as the one that gets its team picture shot "from the front and both sides."

Miami would be a more likely steppingstone back to Duke.

Love of Harvard wins this round. (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/ncb/news/story?id=6338257)
Amaker to stay in Cambridge.

"Two postseason appearances."  In what a good friend of mine calls the National Losers Tournament.
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 12, 2011, 04:15:07 PM
Ballmer must have given him another raise
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 22, 2011, 04:10:53 PM
http://georgemasonbasketball.blogspot.com/2011/04/early-favorite-to-replace-jim-larranaga.html
Uh oh, Larranaga goes for the money grab at Miami and now Courtney is probably a candidate for the Mason job. He clearly is still interested in the school as he paid his way to see them in the tournament this year. I can only hope Mason doesnt hire him because him leaving after one year would really hurt the program, especially this late in the year
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: scoop85 on April 22, 2011, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: phillysportsfanhttp://georgemasonbasketball.blogspot.com/2011/04/early-favorite-to-replace-jim-larranaga.html
Uh oh, Larranaga goes for the money grab at Miami and now Courtney is probably a candidate for the Mason job. He clearly is still interested in the school as he paid his way to see them in the tournament this year. I can only hope Mason doesnt hire him because him leaving after one year would really hurt the program, especially this late in the year

If that were to occur, any chance that Zach Spiker becomes a leading candidate?
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 22, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
I doubt it, they said he wasnt a candidate last year because he was only at Army one year and Cornell wouldnt have paid his buyout, dont think another year changes that situation at all
Title: Re: March Madness
Post by: phillysportsfan on April 25, 2011, 04:51:53 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/BDelaneyIJ/status/62592236919066624
Just spoke to Bill Courtney. He said he is not involved with the George Mason job. BC: "No, I've not been contacted by anybody at George Mason. ... I love my job here at Cornell, I'm looking forward to coaching the team next year. My (Cornell) players haven't asked me about it and I haven't really addressed it with them. I think they're excited about next year and so am I."


good news