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Title: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Chris '03 on March 17, 2011, 09:25:36 AM
First round starts at 11 am this morning on ESPN3.com

Brackets: http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/files/2011-DI-Brackets%281%29.pdf
Broadcast info: http://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/2011-03-14/di-wrestling-championships-central
Stats: http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/CompetitionResultNCAA.aspx


Team Standings through Thursday:
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1. Penn State     30.5 (7 in champ/1 Cons.)
2. Cornell        29.0 (5/4)
3. Iowa           25.0 (5/4)
   OK State       25.0 (4/4)
5. American       23.5 (3/2)

Through 149 Quarters (aka here come Iowa)
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1. Penn State     34.5 (6 in champ/1 Cons.)
2. Cornell        30.0 (4/3)
   Iowa           30.0 (5/4)
4. OK State       29.5 (3/5)
5. Michigan       27.0 (1/5)
   Wisconsin      27.0 (4/2)
 
Through All Quarters  
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1. Cornell        61.0 (4 in champ/2 Cons.)
2. Penn State     60.5 (4/3)
3. Iowa           51.0 (3/5)
4. American       47.0 (3/2)
5. OK State       43.5 (2/6)

Through Friday Morning
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1. Cornell        61.0 (4 in champ/1 Cons.)
2. Penn State     60.5 (4/3)
3. Iowa           52.0 (3/4)
4. American       49.0 (3/1)
5. OK State       44.5 (2/4)


Through Friday
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1. Penn State     92.5 (3 in champ/2 Cons.)
2. Cornell        75.0 (1/4)
3. Iowa           74.0 (1/4)
4. OK State       65.5 (2/1)
5. American       56.0 (1/2)

Final Standings
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1. Penn State     107.5 (1 National Champion/2 Runners up)
2. Cornell        93.5 (1 (Kyle Dake at 149)/0)
3. Iowa           86.5 (0/1)
4. OK State       65.5 (1/1)
5. American       56.0 (0/1)
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 17, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: Chris '03First round starts at 11 am this morning on ESPN3.com

Brackets: http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/files/2011-DI-Brackets%281%29.pdf
Broadcast info: http://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/2011-03-14/di-wrestling-championships-central
Stats: http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/CompetitionResultNCAA.aspx


I'm no expert at reading the bracket but it looks like Manson is in one of the first matches of the day.
We're heading for the Wells Fargo Center as I write this.  I can see it from our hotel window.  I'm expecting this to be very close among Cornell, Penn State, Iowa, and maybe Oklahoma State.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Chris '03 on March 17, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
Manson lost his pigtail 8-3 to a guy from Boise. Wasn't particularly close.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 17, 2011, 12:36:39 PM
In the first round:

125: #11 Perrelli escapes with a 4-3 win over NDSU. Will face #6 Bedelyon (VA Tech)

133: #8 Grey wins 11-5 over Oregon State. Will face #9 Carter (VA Tech)

141: Manson loses his pigtail to BSU. He'll face (Millersville) in the consolation pigtail; willer to face (Utah Valley State). Both unranked. (The wrestler who beat Manson was pinned in his first round match. Ugh.)

149: #4 Dake MD 9-0 over CMU. He'll face Gillespie (Edinboro)

157: Meagher loses 1-4 to #1 Hall (BSU) (tough draw). He is going to face Sulzer (EMU), who was destroyed 13-4 by a wrestler Meagher beat earlier this year.

165: #9 Kerber wins 2-1 over Abdurakhmanov (Clarion) on a late penalty point for fleeing the mat. He'll face #8 Winston (Rutgers), who beat him at EIWA.

174: #3 Lewnes wins 7-2 over Meys (Screw BU). He'll face Nick Purdue (Ohio).

184: #3 Bosak TF 15-0 over Dieckhaus (NIU). He'll face Meredith (Arizona St.)

197: #1 Simaz wins 6-2 over Smith (Cal Poly). He'll face Johnson (Nebraska).

That wraps up the first round. Cornell goes 7-2 with a couple of close calls and only one disappointing loss.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: nyc94 on March 17, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
What's a pigtail?
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 17, 2011, 01:18:37 PM
Quote from: nyc94What's a pigtail?
It is the inverse of a bye; instead of getting a pass into the next round, a few wrestlers have an extra match before the first round. Imagine a bracket with 33 wrestlers; in order to get down to 32, two wrestlers are placed in a pigtail round to go to the "first" round.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: RichH on March 17, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: nyc94What's a pigtail?

I had to look it up myself. Looks to be basically a "play-in" game to get to a regular bracket.  Like the 64-65 game that the squeakball tournament decided to have a couple years ago or the play-in game that the ECAC did for a few years in Lake Placid for their Championship weekend.

I think I heard squeakball did something different this year, but I'm not paying a lick of attention to that tournament.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Beeeej on March 17, 2011, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: RichH
Quote from: nyc94What's a pigtail?

I had to look it up myself. Looks to be basically a "play-in" game to get to a regular bracket.  Like the 64-65 game that the squeakball tournament decided to have a couple years ago or the play-in game that the ECAC did for a few years in Lake Placid for their Championship weekend.

I think I heard squeakball did something different this year, but I'm not paying a lick of attention to that tournament.

Squeakball did four pigtail games this year, for a total of 68 teams in the tournament.

The Div. III hockey tournament, incidentally, also involves three pigtails - it's an eleven-team field, which strikes me as odd, given that Div. III has over seventy teams, while Div. I only has 58.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 17, 2011, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: BeeeejThe Div. III hockey tournament, incidentally, also involves three pigtails - it's an eleven-team field, which strikes me as odd, given that Div. III has over seventy teams, while Div. I only has 58.
Maybe there are a lot of autobids and they didn't want to push out the at-large bids from the traditionally stronger conferences?
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Beeeej on March 17, 2011, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: BeeeejThe Div. III hockey tournament, incidentally, also involves three pigtails - it's an eleven-team field, which strikes me as odd, given that Div. III has over seventy teams, while Div. I only has 58.
Maybe there are a lot of autobids and they didn't want to push out the at-large bids from the traditionally stronger conferences?

I meant that I thought it was strange that they don't have a 16-team tournament, not strange that they don't have an 8-team tournament.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: jkahn on March 17, 2011, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: ugarteThat wraps up the first round. Cornell goes 7-2 with a couple of close calls and only one disappointing loss.
Iowa went 9-1 in the first round.  Oklahoma State went 5-5.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Trotsky on March 17, 2011, 03:32:18 PM
Is team scoring a simple function of x points for advancing to this round, y for this round, etc?
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Jacob '06 on March 17, 2011, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: TrotskyIs team scoring a simple function of x points for advancing to this round, y for this round, etc?

It also figures how the match was won, more points for a win by 8 or more points, even more for a technical fall (15 points), and the most points for a pin.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Trotsky on March 17, 2011, 04:04:02 PM
Found it (http://wrestling.isport.com/wrestling-guides/a-guide-to-tournament-scoring-in-wrestling).
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on March 17, 2011, 04:41:56 PM
Team Standings (http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/teamstandings.pdf) after round 1
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 17, 2011, 05:24:17 PM
Quote from: jkahn
Quote from: ugarteThat wraps up the first round. Cornell goes 7-2 with a couple of close calls and only one disappointing loss.
Iowa went 9-1 in the first round.  Oklahoma State went 5-5.
Iowa went 10-1. They had 9 wrestlers and won 2 pigtails. They had one MD. Penn State went 8-1 with 2 pins and 2 MDs.

For bonus points, Cornell got a MD and a TF.

The evening session starts at 6:30. I believe the consolation matches first, then Round 2.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 17, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
caldwell at 149 defaults out with an arminjury in round 2..
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 17, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: upprdeckcaldwell at 149 defaults out with an arminjury in round 2..

This is big for Dake, as it opens up the top half of the bracket for him to make the final.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 17, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
Things going well so far this evening. Parelli lost his 11/6 match, but Grey and Dake are into the quarterfinals, and Manson won his match in the consis.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 17, 2011, 08:08:46 PM
looks like Kerber lost in extra time on an escape but the other top 3 won 2 by fall.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: nshapiro on March 17, 2011, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: ugarte165: #9 Kerber wins 2-1 over Abdurakhmanov (Clarion) on a late penalty point for fleeing the mat. He'll face #8 Winston (Rutgers), who beat him at EIWA.


This was the worst call of the session.  Kerber was down 1-0, Abdur...ov was getting close to a riding time point, when Kerber finally decided to do something (not one shot the whole match) late in the third period.  It looked like he got the reversal, and then Abdur...ov escaped, which would have made the match 2-2.  Instead, the ref gave Kerber just an escape.  Abdurakhamov knew he had been reversed, and broke away from the bottom position, breaking contact with Kerber and stepped off the mat, which happens ALL THE TIME.  

In general, I thought most Cornell wrestlers were not very aggressive.  Most of the points were scored in counters, with Cornell wrestlers rarely taking shots.  Lewnes didn't wake up until he was almost taken down.  Grey had a tough opponent, but he could have worked harder and earned the major decision.  Dake only got the points for the major in the last second, in a match that he should have won with a tech fall.  Bosak was the only one who seemed really fired up.

One thing Cornell can't do is complain about the refs.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Chris '03 on March 17, 2011, 09:37:51 PM
Standings through 157-consolation round one:

Penn State 30.5
Cornell     29.0
Iowa 24
OK St 24
American 21

Same link as above: http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/teamstandings.pdf
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: jkahn on March 17, 2011, 09:53:40 PM
How does one know on which mat the Cornell guys will be?

Edit: Figured out how to get a four mat view, so if I pay attention that should work.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Chris '03 on March 17, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: jkahnHow does one know on which mat the Cornell guys will be?

I've been wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 17, 2011, 10:32:10 PM
Scores after Session 2:

               Score   Ch  Co
1  Penn State  30.5    7   1
2  Cornell     29.0    5   4
3  Iowa        25      5   4
   OK St       25      4   4
5  American    23.5    3   2

Other notables

11 Lehigh     18       2   4
24 Penn       11       1   4
39 Columbia    6       0   2
   Harvard     6       0   2
65 Princeton   0       0   0
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: CUJacob on March 17, 2011, 10:45:30 PM
Looks/sounds like Cornell is performing roughly to expectations thus far.  Is Penn State wrestling above expectations or is this about what the standings were expected to look like at this point?
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 17, 2011, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: CUJacobLooks/sounds like Cornell is performing roughly to expectations thus far.  Is Penn State wrestling above expectations or is this about what the standings were expected to look like at this point?
Penn State is wrestling lights out.  Very aggressive.  They deserve to be ahead at this point.  I expected it to be very close and still do.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 17, 2011, 11:10:10 PM
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: CUJacobLooks/sounds like Cornell is performing roughly to expectations thus far.  Is Penn State wrestling above expectations or is this about what the standings were expected to look like at this point?
Penn State is wrestling lights out.  Very aggressive.  They deserve to be ahead at this point.  I expected it to be very close and still do.
Specifically, of the 7 wrestlers still in the top bracket, 5 were expected to be there and 2 were 9 seeds that beat the 8 seed. I fear that Penn State was underseeded at a couple of weights. I was hoping that Perrelli and Kerber were underseeded but, sadly, they haven't (yet) outperformed their seed. Fortunately, there's still time.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 17, 2011, 11:31:43 PM
125 - I think Perelli can win 2-3 more matches. He has no seeded wrestlers down in his area of the wrestlebacks. This will help the team a lot if he can go on a run.
133 - Grey could pull a big upset and stay up top, but likely will fall down. Only needs one more win to get to All-American.
141 - Manson is likely eliminated in his first match tomorrow.
149 - Big match for Dake to beat #5 and make the semifinals. If he wins, he'd face unranked or #8 in the semis. Great shot at finals.
157 - Meagher needs to avenge a prior loss to Harvard's Peppelman to stay alive. This is a winnable match for him.  
165 - Tough, tough loss for Kerber, now he needs to win 3 matches for all-American. Do-able, but he needs to be sharp.
174 - Lewnes looking good, should handle Bennett to make semifinals for a potential HUGE showdown with #2 Ruth from Penn State.
184 - Bozak faces unranked, should make semis.
197 - Simaz looking at #8, and then 4/5, to make the final.

Overall Friday prognosis - We really need to win in the quarterfinals at 149,174,184, and 197, and get runs in the wrestlebacks from 165 and 125 tomorrow. Also we should hope that Penn State only gets 4 or fewer into the semifinals.

Still think we have a great chance of winning. What will it take? Not sure, but my guess is 3 in finals with 1-2 winning, plus 6 all Americans total would do it, or at least put us close.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 18, 2011, 07:31:55 AM
My take as well, gjk22.  This morning's consy's are key.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2011, 11:27:49 AM
Bad start to the day:

125: Perrelli loses badly and is out of the competition. This was a weight class where we were expected to have an advantage over Penn State but ended up with the same result. Meanwhile, Iowa's 125 - the defending national champion - is tearing through the bracket.

133: Grey loses a MD to the #1 wrestler. Penn State WBF and is in the semis; Iowa is alive in the consis.

141: Manson loses 3-0 to the #7 wrestler and is out of the competition. Penn State lost and drops to consis; Iowa moves on to the semis.

149: Dake wins 3-0 (whew) and moves on to the semis. Penn State is in the other semi match; Iowa doesn't have a 149. Cornell and Penn State face "easier" matches than chalk in the semis. Dake vs. #8, Molinaro vs. #6.

157: Meagher loses 10-7 after taking a 7-3 lead in the third period. Crushing. Meagher is eliminated. Penn State beats Iowa in the QF.

165: Kerber wins 7-4 and advances. Iowa wins conolation match by TF. Penn State has nobody at 165. Kerber will next face the Iowa wrestler, #11 Jansen, in a critical match.

174: Lewnes wins 7-3 and advances to the semifinals. Cornell catches a break as Penn State's Ruth defaults out of his QF with an ankle injury. Iowa's 174 is done. Lewnes will next face #7 Amuchastegui (Stanford).

184: Bosak dominates his opponent, winning a 15-0 TF, and advances to the semifinals. #9 Wright (PSU) knocks off the #1 wrestler to move to the semis. #11 Gambril (Iowa) knocks off #4 to reach the semis. One of them will make the final, while #3 Bosak will face his nemesis, Lehigh's #2 Hamlin.

197: Simaz WBF in 2:20! Cam moves on to the semis. Iowa loses in the semis; PSU didn't qualify a 197. Simaz will face Kilgore (Kent) and have a chance to avenge his only loss of the season.

285: Cornell doesn't have a heavy. Penn State's heavy injury defaults in the QF; potentially out of the tournament. Iowa has nobody left at 285.

I probably should be tracking Oklahoma State too. But I'm not.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 01:18:57 PM
PSu Heavy now out with a leg injury
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
Does anyone (here) know if the third round of consolation matches is in the morning or evening session?
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Jim Hyla on March 18, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: ugarteDoes anyone (here) know if the third round of consolation matches is in the morning or evening session?
No, but we are No. 1 after the quarters. (http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/teamstandings.pdf):-)

1 CU   61.0
2 PSU  60.5
3 Iowa 51.0
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Chris '03 on March 18, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: ugarteDoes anyone (here) know if the third round of consolation matches is in the morning or evening session?

I think it's tonight: http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/brackets.pdf
The schedule for wrestlebacks is on the bottom of the page as opposed to the top for the champ bracket.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2011, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: Chris '03
Quote from: ugarteDoes anyone (here) know if the third round of consolation matches is in the morning or evening session?

I think it's tonight: http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/brackets.pdf
The schedule for wrestlebacks is on the bottom of the page as opposed to the top for the champ bracket.
That looks like it is the morning - Friday morning stretches across the third round of consy. Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Chris '03 on March 18, 2011, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: Chris '03
Quote from: ugarteDoes anyone (here) know if the third round of consolation matches is in the morning or evening session?

I think it's tonight: http://www.nwcaonline.com/nwcaonline/brackets.pdf
The schedule for wrestlebacks is on the bottom of the page as opposed to the top for the champ bracket.
That looks like it is the morning - Friday morning stretches across the third round of consy. Thanks for the tip.

I can't count... the fourth round is tonight though! ::doh::
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2011, 02:34:32 PM
Damn. Kerber is out. Cornell is done for the morning session. I think Iowa and Penn State are also.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 18, 2011, 02:46:58 PM
Quote from: ugarteDamn. Kerber is out. Cornell is done for the morning session. I think Iowa and Penn State are also.

So much for 6 All-Americans, as we only have five alive at this point. I was counting on Kerber.

Grey will wrestle tonight in the 4th round of the wrestlebacks. He needs one win to get to the All-American round. The other 4 will go in the semifinals on ESPNU tonight at 7pm, and have secured top 6 already.

Team title chances starting to split away, as Perelli, Kerber, and Meagher all disappointed in the wrestlebacks. Meagher was leading after 2 periods, and lost, and the other two lost to lower seeds.

We still have a chance, but we would need multiple champions from our top 4.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 02:50:53 PM
two PSU guys are likely done though
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2011, 02:55:22 PM
Preview for tonight:

Upcoming semis:

149: #4 Dake vs. #8 Sanjaa (American) - Winner to face #2 Molinaro (PSU) or #6 Chamberlain (Boise)
174: #3 Lewnes vs. #7 Amuchastegui (Stanford) - Winner to face #1 Reader (Iowa St.) or #5 Henrich (U Va.)
184: #3 Bosak vs. #2 Hamlin (Lehigh) - Winner to face #9 Wright (PSU) or #12 Gambrall (Iowa)
197: #1 Simaz vs. #4 Kilgore (Kent) - Winner to face #2 Foster (Ok. St.) or #3 Brandvold (Wisc.)

Upcoming Round of 12:
133: #8 Grey vs. UR Ray (UVU) - Winner to face #5 Ruggirello (Hofstra) or #6 Ramos (Iowa)

Still alive from Iowa and PSU:
125: #2 McDonough (Iowa) vs #3 Precin (NW) (Semis)
133: #3 Long (PSU) vs #2 Hochstrasser (Boise) (Semis); #6 Ramos (Iowa) vs #5 Ruggierello (Hofstra) (Rd of 12)
141: #5 Marion (Iowa) vs. #1 Russell (Mich) (Semis); #6 Alton (PSU) vs #12 Kemmerer (Penn) (Rd of 12)
149: #2 Molinaro (PSU) vs. #6 Chamberlain (Boise) (Semis)
157: #3 Taylor (PSU) vs. #2 Fittery (American) (Semis); #6 St. John (Iowa) vs. UR Lewandowski (Buffalo) (Rd of 12)
165: #11 Janssen (Iowa) vs. #7 Onufer (Wyoming) (Rd of 12)
174: #2 Ruth (PSU)* vs UR Manuel (Purdue) (Rd of 12)
184: #9 Wright (PSU) vs #12 Gambrall (Iowa) (Semis)
197: #5 Lofthouse (Iowa) vs. #11 Ward (Iowa St.)
285: #9 Wade (PSU)* (Rd of 12)

* Wade and Ruth injury defaulted their last match and may be unable to compete.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 18, 2011, 05:53:37 PM
Bosak with a huge opportunity for revenge...


Lehigh-Cornell Dual meet in January

"At 184 pounds, No. 3 Steve Bosak took down No. 9 Robert Hamlin a minute into the match. After 45 seconds, Hamlin escaped. Bosak started the second period down on the mat and escaped. Hamlin countered a shot by Bosak and took down the Big Red wrestler with 13 seconds left in the period. Hamlin chose neutral to start the third period. Hamlin took down Bosak to take a 5-3 lead. Bosak would escape but could not score against an evading Hamlin and lost a 5-4 decision."

EIWA Finals

"Sophomore Steve Bosak squared off against No. 4 Robert Hamlin at 184 pounds in the finals. Hamlin took down Bosak 18 seconds into the bout, but the Big Red wrestler immediately escaped. The two wrestlers continued high energy action throughout the period. In the second, Bosak escaped from his opening down position to tie the match 2-2. Bosak earned his first offensive points of the bout with a takedown, but Hamlin escaped. Hamlin quickly escaped from his opening down position to start the third period to tie the score once again at 4-4. The two wrestlers entertained the crowd once again trading shots back and force each countering their opponents shots. With time winding down, Hamlin took down Bosak. Bosak would immediately escape, but time ran out and Hamlin won a 6-5 decision."
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 07:23:56 PM
nice win by Grey and a loss by PSU's Long in the semi's as did Ramos for Iowa.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 07:50:47 PM
great match at 141 and marion for iowa loses in multiple Ot's
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
Dake into the finals vs the PSU kid at 149
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:12:19 PM
Iowa loses at 165 cons round.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
Taylor wins vs PSu in oveer #2 Fittery and PSU is now back on top in the teams..
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:22:26 PM
Ruth wins at 174 for PSU
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
cornell 3 guys left tonight PSU with 2 if Wade goes. down 6.5 pts now.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
lofthouse for Iowa wins. lewnes up now
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 08:59:47 PM
Lewnes goes down.. huge loss.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: semsox on March 18, 2011, 09:14:58 PM
Maybe next year guys....
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: upprdeck on March 18, 2011, 09:15:12 PM
bosak follows with a sudden victory loss.. missed several single leg shoots for no pts..
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 18, 2011, 09:18:54 PM
All over for Cornell. No maybe next year, Penn State and Iowa will be much better next year. We will be much worse without Lewnes, Grey, Kerber, Meagher, and Mason.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2011, 10:31:33 PM
Well, that was a depressing evening session. Dake and Grey were bright spots as Grey moves up the podium and Dake gets into the finals. The notion of three straight losses by Lewnes, Bosak and Simaz seems impossible. But it happened. And we're still wrestling tomorrow, so... here's the slate.

Tomorrow's matches:

Championship:
149: #4 Dake v #2 Molinaro (PSU)

Consolation Semis
133: #8 Grey v #3 Long (PSU) / #4 Graff (Wisc) v #11 Sentes (CMU)
174: #3 Lewnes v #4 Covington (Or. St.) / #2 Ruth  (PSU) v #5 Hinrich (UVA)
184: #3 Bosak v #1 Honeycutt (Edinboro) / #5 LeBlanc (Wyo.) v #12 Gambrall (Iowa)
194: #1 Simaz v #12 Geisen (Stanford) / #3 Brandvold (Wisc.) v #5 Lofthouse (Iowa)


Other notables with team score implications:

#2 McDonough (Iowa) in the 125 Finals
#1 Oliver (Okl. St.) in the 133 Finals
#5 Marion (Iowa) in the 141 Consy Semis
#5 Parks (Okl. St.) in the 149 Consy Semis
#3 Taylor (PSU) in the 157 Finals
#6 St. John (Iowa) in the 157 Consy Semis
#9 Wright (PSU) in the 185 Finals
#2 Foster (Ok. St.) in the 197 Finals

Apparently Cornell is still mathematically in the running but it seems... unlikely.

Team Scores

Plc Score School              
                                               
1   92.5   Penn State     3   2
2   75.0   Cornell        1   4
3   69.5   Iowa           1   4
4   65.5   Oklahoma State 2   1
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: ugarteWell, that was a depressing evening session. Dake and Grey were bright spots as Grey moves up the podium and Dake gets into the finals. The notion of three straight losses by Lewnes, Bosak and Simaz seems impossible. But it happened. And we're still wrestling tomorrow, so... here's the slate.

Tomorrow's matches:

Championship:
149: #4 Dake v #2 Molinaro (PSU)

Consolation Semis
133: #8 Grey v #3 Long (PSU) / #4 Graff (Wisc) v #11 Sentes (CMU)
174: #3 Lewnes v #4 Covington (Or. St.) / #2 Ruth  (PSU) v #5 Hinrich (UVA)
184: #3 Bosak v #1 Honeycutt (Edinboro) / #5 LeBlanc (Wyo.) v #12 Gambrall (Iowa)
194: #1 Simaz v #12 Geisen (Stanford) / #3 Brandvold (Wisc.) v #5 Lofthouse (Iowa)


Other notables with team score implications:

#2 McDonough (Iowa) in the 125 Finals
#1 Oliver (Okl. St.) in the 133 Finals
#5 Marion (Iowa) in the 141 Consy Semis
#5 Parks (Okl. St.) in the 149 Consy Semis
#3 Taylor (PSU) in the 157 Finals
#6 St. John (Iowa) in the 157 Consy Semis
#9 Wright (PSU) in the 185 Finals
#2 Foster (Ok. St.) in the 197 Finals
Winners in bold.

Cornell went 3 for 4, including bonus points from Simaz (WBF) and Bosak (MD) and we are back in second place. With the two PSU wins, I'm pretty sure that PSU locked up the championship.

Plc Score School          CH CO
1   101.5 Penn State      3  2
2    88.5 Cornell         1  4
3    86.5 Iowa            1  4
4    65.5 Oklahoma State  2  1
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 01:26:30 PM
Mike Grey lost his 5th place match and finishes as an All-American in 6th Place. During the tournament, 8th seed Grey lost only to wrestlers ranked in the top 4. This was a hell of a tournament for him after an injury plagued year.
This is his second All-American honor (6th place in 2008, as a freshman) and an upbeat end to an excellent, if disappointing career. In both 2009 and 2010, Grey entered the tournament seeded and lost one match shy of All-American status. Still, it is only disappointing by the high standards he set for himself during the regular season.

Congratulations, Mike.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 01:31:39 PM
In other scoring news, Iowa's Marion and St. John both lost their 3d place matches, so Iowa hasn't been picking up points either. They still have one championship match, a third place match against Cornell and a fifth place match remaining.

I've stopped paying obsessive attention to Penn State because the race for first is over.

Cornell has two additional third place matches to come and Dake's championship match.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 01:47:16 PM
Mack Lewnes lost his 3d place match, 6-2 to #2 Ed Ruth (PSU). Lewnes finishes in 4th Place, the third All-American finish of his career.

A senior, this concludes an amazing - and yet oddly disappointing - career for Lewnes. As a sophomore, undefeated and ranked #1 in the country, he lost his only two NCAA matches (apparently due to a chest injury suffered in practice the week before the tournament). As a Junior, again undefeated and ranked #1 entering the tournament, he was dominated in the final and took second place. This year, he came in a little less touted - ranked #3 after losing 2 bouts - but saw an opportunity to return to the finals slip away when he lost to a lower ranked wrestler in the semifinals before losing to Ruth for the second time in the 3d place match.

That said, he ends his career with the most wins in Cornell history and three All-American honors: 4th in 2008, 2d in 2010 and 4th in 2011.

Congratulations, Mack.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 01:56:41 PM
Steve Bosak loses to Grant Gambrall of Iowa and finishes in 4th place and gets his second All-American finish in two years. Congratulations, Steve.

I have to say, watching the disappointments pile up is rough.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 02:13:06 PM
Cam Simaz wins 5-2 over Brandvold of Wisconsin to finish third. This is Cam's third straight All-American finish. He finished 7th in 2009 and 3d in 2010 and 2011. Congratulations, Cam. Bring it all home in 2012.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: nyc94 on March 19, 2011, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: ugarteSteve Bosak loses to Grant Gambrall of Iowa and finishes in 4th place and gets his second All-American finish in two years. Congratulations, Steve.

I have to say, watching the disappointments pile up is rough.

This weekend is the opposite of last year due to our high expectations of wrestling and women's hockey.  And no basketball.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: css228 on March 19, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
The only thing that could redeem this weekend even somewhat is if the men's icers take down Yale
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: gjk22 on March 19, 2011, 05:33:30 PM
Whats the point reward for winning in the championship match?

We're down by 14. Any chance that Cornell 1-0, and PSU 0-3 could result in us winning?
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 19, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: gjk22Whats the point reward for winning in the championship match?

We're down by 14. Any chance that Cornell 1-0, and PSU 0-3 could result in us winning?
No.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: gjk22Whats the point reward for winning in the championship match?

We're down by 14. Any chance that Cornell 1-0, and PSU 0-3 could result in us winning?
Winning the championship would net 4 points. Officially, first place is worth 16 but our score already factors in the 12 points Dake has received for finishing in, at worst, second.

However, with Iowa losing their only chance at an individual title - at 125 - Cornell locks up second place for the second year in a row.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
All is amazing. Kyle Dake is the NCAA 149lb Champion.

#4 Dake absolutely dominated #2 Molinaro in the finals, taking an 8-1 decision. He had a quick takedown in the first period and rode Molinaro for over 2 minutes. In the second, Molinaro overruled his coaches and elected to start on bottom. Dake rode him for the entire second period and tilted him for an additional 3 points. In the third, Dake started on bottom, immediately got the reversal and AGAIN rode Molinaro for the entire period. In the end, Dake racked up 6:17 in riding time. The only point Molinaro scored was a penalty point, awarded in the first, because the ref thought Dake was putting illegal pressure on Molinaro's knee.

In 5 NCAA tournament matches, that penalty was the only point scored by an opponent. I think he's a long-shot but that isn't a bad resume for Most Outstanding Wrestler.

This is Dake's second national championship in two years. In 2010, Dake won the title at 141 pounds as a freshman. I can't believe that we get two more years of this guy. If wrestling were basketball he'd be in the WWE next week.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: dag14 on March 19, 2011, 09:21:13 PM
How can anyone but Anthony Robles be the Outstanding Wrestler?  He dominated his 125 lbs match...and he only has one leg.  I have never seen anything like it.  This young man is an inspiration to anyone with a disability.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: David Harding on March 19, 2011, 10:07:16 PM
Thank you for the running reports and commentary.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: ugarte on March 19, 2011, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: dag14How can anyone but Anthony Robles be the Outstanding Wrestler?  He dominated his 125 lbs match...and he only has one leg.  I have never seen anything like it.  This young man is an inspiration to anyone with a disability.

There were a lot of dominating performances. I think Burroughs is going to win it, actually. He destroyed people all tournament and even got a MD in the finals. If you want to see something nuts, check out the transcript of his QF win over the 8 seed - he got a TF by spending the whole match toying with his opponent, catch and release. At the end of the first period the score was 10-4: 5 TDs with escapes in between.

Robles' accomplishments are indeed impressive - though I confess that I often wonder whether his disability-in-life is actually an advantage on the mats. His resulting style is highly unorthodox and - as crude as this may sound - any weight that otherwise would have been in his leg, is in his upper body. I should be clear: the amount of work that he had to put into becoming a world-class athlete despite his handicap must have been staggering and he deserves all of the praise he gets. But he didn't dominate 125 the way Burroughs dominated 165.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 20, 2011, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: ugarteRobles' accomplishments are indeed impressive - though I confess that I often wonder whether his disability-in-life is actually an advantage on the mats. His resulting style is highly unorthodox and - as crude as this may sound - any weight that otherwise would have been in his leg, is in his upper body. I should be clear: the amount of work that he had to put into becoming a world-class athlete despite his handicap must have been staggering and he deserves all of the praise he gets. But he didn't dominate 125 the way Burroughs dominated 165.
I agree with all your points.  Robles has the upper body of a 141 if not 149 pound wrestler.  His biceps appeared to be twice the size of McDonough's.  I'd have voted for Burroughs.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: Jordan 04 on March 21, 2011, 09:33:16 AM
Nice article in the WSJ this morning on Robles.  I don't think I can link directly due to WSJ's subscription filter, but a Google search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22the+ncaa+weekend's+biggest+winnter+wsj%22#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=the%20ncaa%20weekend's%20biggest%20winner%20wsj&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b26d2f4496b7882f&pf=p&pdl=300) should get you there just fine.
Title: Re: [Wrestling] NCAA Championships
Post by: nshapiro on March 21, 2011, 10:55:22 AM
Did anyone else feel that Bosak managed to learn nothing from his previous two bouts with Hamlin?  Hamlin consistently scored his points countering Bosak's shots.  Bosak was able to ride Hamlin for an entire period.  If he had just waited 20 more seconds in the first overtime, he could have won in OTs 2/3 by escaping and riding out Hamlin.