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General Category => John Spencer Is Dead => Topic started by: billhoward on September 13, 2010, 08:02:21 AM

Title: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: billhoward on September 13, 2010, 08:02:21 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704358904575477643369663352.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop rates the Top 25 colleges in America on the quality of their graduates in the eyes of recruiters. We're No. 14. We're the only Ivy among the top 25. The top five are, I believe, schools we could whip in basketball as well (last year):

1. Penn State
2. Texas A&M
3. Illinois
4. Purdue
5. Arizona State

In a breakdown among majors/colleges, WSJ puts Cornell #7 in Engineering. Informed of its non-standing, a Harvard spokesman sniffed, "Harvard College graduates consistently experience success in the job market and in their chosen fields." What the recruiters apparently didn't like was that the newly sheepskinned Crimson tended to stay only a year or two in their first job and then head back to grad school.

Talk about Reporting Lite. The drilldown on Cornell doesn't tell you much. I could have written it (Ugarte,insert quick comeback here): "This Ivy League school is located in the Finger Lakes region of central New York, about 225 miles to New York City. There are more than 500 student organizations, with attendees coming from all 50 states and more than 100 nations. Undergraduates pursue studies in more than 80 academic programs in the university's seven undergraduate colleges."
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: ursusminor on September 13, 2010, 09:46:59 AM
They did consider MIT to be an Ivy.

23. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

 This Massachusetts school's main campus is in Cambridge, extending 168 acres, some of which across the Charles River Basin. The Ivy League school accepted 10.7% of applicants in 2009, with just 10% in-state.
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: Robb on September 13, 2010, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: ursusminorThey did consider MIT to be an Ivy.

23. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

 This Massachusetts school's main campus is in Cambridge, extending 168 acres, some of which across the Charles River Basin. The Ivy League school accepted 10.7% of applicants in 2009, with just 10% in-state.
And Stanford.  "While companies didn't rate Ivy League grads best overall, several did favor them in some specific majors. Stanford University, for example, was ranked No. 11 in engineering recruits and No. 16 in business/economics; Harvard was No. 4 in business and economics."

The Ivy League is growing faster than the PAC-10...
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: Al DeFlorio on September 13, 2010, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: ursusminorThey did consider MIT to be an Ivy.

23. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

 This Massachusetts school's main campus is in Cambridge, extending 168 acres, some of which across the Charles River Basin. The Ivy League school accepted 10.7% of applicants in 2009, with just 10% in-state.
Another example of why I believe nothing I read in the Wall Street Journal.
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: ugarte on September 14, 2010, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: billhowardI could have written it (Ugarte,insert quick comeback here):
You couldn't have written it in two sentences.
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: Jeff Hopkins '82 on September 15, 2010, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: billhowardI could have written it (Ugarte,insert quick comeback here):
You couldn't have written it in two sentences.

Just leave out the punctuation?
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: ftyuv on September 16, 2010, 01:39:41 AM
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: billhowardI could have written it (Ugarte,insert quick comeback here):
You couldn't have written it in two sentences.

"There are" -> "With"
"with attendees" -> "and attendees"
"nations. Undergraduates" -> "nations, undergraduates"

That's why they paid me the big bucks at the Sun.
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: Trotsky on September 16, 2010, 10:34:55 AM
Desirability of hiring is a value equation.  Ivy grads may be the most skilled, but their salary expectations are probably much higher than grads from the state universities that dominate that list.

Or maybe cute women from state schools are throwing the curve off.

I keeed.
Title: Re: Cornell only Ivy in WSJ Top 25 on desirability-of-hiring
Post by: French Rage on September 21, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
Quote from: TrotskyDesirability of hiring is a value equation.  Ivy grads may be the most skilled, but their salary expectations are probably much higher than grads from the state universities that dominate that list.

Or maybe cute women from state schools are throwing the curve off.

I keeed.

I recall discussions elsewhere talking about how this also deals more with large companies being able to recruit and interviews lot of students and have large corporate partnerships, which would favor larger schools like state universities over smaller schools like Ivies and liberal arts colleges.  To each their own, all rankings have certain amounts of bunk.