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Two encouraging articles in today's Ithaca Journal:

http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100604/SPORTS03/6040358/1128/Sports/Cornell+has+a++scary++lacrosse+outlook

http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100604/SPORTS03/6040359/1128/Sports/Random+thoughts+on+Cornell+Lacrosse+for+2011+season

Cody Bremner played hockey for Nanaimo and comes in as a two-sport guy.  We'll see how that pans out.

Bremner is certainly an intriguing guy.  Would be great if he could follow in the tradition of great Canadian attackmen.

2011 should be an exciting season; I just hope the team doesn't listen to the hype.  We seem to do best when not much is expected.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioCody Bremner played hockey for Nanaimo and comes in as a two-sport guy.  We'll see how that pans out.

Unfortunately, the hockey/lacrosse combo is almost impossible to do now.  Back in our day Al, the NCAA hockey final would be something like March 18 and the first lacrosse game in early April.  Cornell's first lacrosse game was still April 1 in 1971 when the NCAA lacrosse tournament was added, with our second game April 14.
Now we've got NCAA hockey regionals the last weekend in March and lacrosse starting in February.  Since we haven't heard Bremner's name regarding hockey recruiting, perhaps he's decided to concentrate solely on lacrosse.  Anybody out there have additional info?

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioCody Bremner played hockey for Nanaimo and comes in as a two-sport guy.  We'll see how that pans out.

Unfortunately, the hockey/lacrosse combo is almost impossible to do now.  Back in our day Al, the NCAA hockey final would be something like March 18 and the first lacrosse game in early April.  Cornell's first lacrosse game was still April 1 in 1971 when the NCAA lacrosse tournament was added, with our second game April 14.
Now we've got NCAA hockey regionals the last weekend in March and lacrosse starting in February.  Since we haven't heard Bremner's name regarding hockey recruiting, perhaps he's decided to concentrate solely on lacrosse.  Anybody out there have additional info?

I'm pretty sure it won't happen.  I think Harry Orr was the last to pull it off. In an internet forum somewhere, someone posted Bremner was hoping for a hockey "scholarship" before deciding on a college.  Guess it didn't happen.

I just hope Tambroni is part of the picture in 2011.  IL reports today (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/05/sources-maryland-short-list-includes-tambroni-marr-cantabene-rogers) that he's on Maryland's short list.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioCody Bremner played hockey for Nanaimo and comes in as a two-sport guy.  We'll see how that pans out.

Unfortunately, the hockey/lacrosse combo is almost impossible to do now.  Back in our day Al, the NCAA hockey final would be something like March 18 and the first lacrosse game in early April.  Cornell's first lacrosse game was still April 1 in 1971 when the NCAA lacrosse tournament was added, with our second game April 14.
Now we've got NCAA hockey regionals the last weekend in March and lacrosse starting in February.  Since we haven't heard Bremner's name regarding hockey recruiting, perhaps he's decided to concentrate solely on lacrosse.  Anybody out there have additional info?

I'm pretty sure it won't happen.  I think Harry Orr was the last to pull it off. In an internet forum somewhere, someone posted Bremner was hoping for a hockey "scholarship" before deciding on a college.  Guess it didn't happen.

Or the lacrosse scholarship (http://www.nanaimoclippers.com/19_playerpg.php) paid more. At least he knows what his major will be. Or is "lacrosse" the name of the town?

According to Heisenberg (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AoPLTHefMmmTclpOLUdKSDFRME5RZVhJSkc0N2ctdWc&gid=11), nobody on the Clippers this year will be playing NCAA hockey next winter.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioCody Bremner played hockey for Nanaimo and comes in as a two-sport guy.  We'll see how that pans out.

Unfortunately, the hockey/lacrosse combo is almost impossible to do now.  Back in our day Al, the NCAA hockey final would be something like March 18 and the first lacrosse game in early April.  Cornell's first lacrosse game was still April 1 in 1971 when the NCAA lacrosse tournament was added, with our second game April 14.
Now we've got NCAA hockey regionals the last weekend in March and lacrosse starting in February.  Since we haven't heard Bremner's name regarding hockey recruiting, perhaps he's decided to concentrate solely on lacrosse.  Anybody out there have additional info?

I'm pretty sure it won't happen.  I think Harry Orr was the last to pull it off. In an internet forum somewhere, someone posted Bremner was hoping for a hockey "scholarship" before deciding on a college.  Guess it didn't happen.

Or the lacrosse scholarship (http://www.nanaimoclippers.com/19_playerpg.php) paid more. At least he knows what his major will be. Or is "lacrosse" the name of the town?

Of course, the English he used to state the point is, well...

Quoteearned a scholarship to attend Cornell in lacrosse.

Per the Ithace Journal a few minutes ago, Coach Tambroni is not a candidate for the Maryland job.


Ithaca Journal (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100607/SPORTS/100607041/1128/sports/Tambroni-declines-to-be-interviewed-at-Maryland)

Quote from: petergPer the Ithace Journal a few minutes ago, Coach Tambroni is not a candidate for the Maryland job.


Ithaca Journal (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100607/SPORTS/100607041/1128/sports/Tambroni-declines-to-be-interviewed-at-Maryland)

I rarely use it, but that deserves: ::banana::

Quote from: petergPer the Ithace Journal a few minutes ago, Coach Tambroni is not a candidate for the Maryland job.


Ithaca Journal (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100607/SPORTS/100607041/1128/sports/Tambroni-declines-to-be-interviewed-at-Maryland)

He sounds genuinely happy to be living and working in Ithaca.  I second Jason's use of the banana.  ::banana::

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Quote from: petergPer the Ithace Journal a few minutes ago, Coach Tambroni is not a candidate for the Maryland job.


Ithaca Journal (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100607/SPORTS/100607041/1128/sports/Tambroni-declines-to-be-interviewed-at-Maryland)

He sounds genuinely happy to be living and working in Ithaca.  I second Jason's use of the banana.  ::banana::

Since my son loves the banana, I'll go with two ::banana::::banana::

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Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: petergPer the Ithace Journal a few minutes ago, Coach Tambroni is not a candidate for the Maryland job.


Ithaca Journal (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20100607/SPORTS/100607041/1128/sports/Tambroni-declines-to-be-interviewed-at-Maryland)

He sounds genuinely happy to be living and working in Ithaca.  I second Jason's use of the banana.  ::banana::

Since my son loves the banana, I'll go with two ::banana::::banana::

::banana::::cheer::::banana::::cheer::::banana::

Both Fiore and Noble named to IL's Freshmen first-team for 2010 (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/08/inside-lacrosse-all-freshman-team-division-i)

Quote from: scoop85Both Fiore and Noble named to IL's Freshmen first-team for 2010 (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/08/inside-lacrosse-all-freshman-team-division-i)

A nice feather in the cap for both of them.  I wonder whether Bronzino would also have made the cut if he hadn't spent so much of the season injured.

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Quote from: scoop85Both Fiore and Noble named to IL's Freshmen first-team for 2010 (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/08/inside-lacrosse-all-freshman-team-division-i)

A nice feather in the cap for both of them.  I wonder whether Bronzino would also have made the cut if he hadn't spent so much of the season injured.

And let's not forget Mock who scored 15 goals in five tournament games (two Ivy and three NCAA).

It also seems that in two years, we'll be getting a Maryland All-Metro attackman, after a year at Deerfield.  Hopefully this kid, John Hogan, can put to as good a use as Pannell did.  He'll be a FR when Pannell is a SR, Mock, Gillum and Fiore are JRs.  Sounds like a good team to me.  

Baltimore Sun All-Metro (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-sp-va-boys-lacrosse-first-team-20120100610,0,1190941.story)

Quote from: CornellCommodoreIt also seems that in two years, we'll be getting a Maryland All-Metro attackman, after a year at Deerfield.  Hopefully this kid, John Hogan, can put to as good a use as Pannell did.  He'll be a FR when Pannell is a SR, Mock, Gillum and Fiore are JRs.  Sounds like a good team to me.  

Baltimore Sun All-Metro (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-sp-va-boys-lacrosse-first-team-20120100610,0,1190941.story)

Hogan is a middie, not an attackman

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Quote from: CornellCommodoreIt also seems that in two years, we'll be getting a Maryland All-Metro attackman, after a year at Deerfield.  Hopefully this kid, John Hogan, can put to as good a use as Pannell did.  He'll be a FR when Pannell is a SR, Mock, Gillum and Fiore are JRs.  Sounds like a good team to me.  

Baltimore Sun All-Metro (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-sp-va-boys-lacrosse-first-team-20120100610,0,1190941.story)

Hogan is a middie, not an attackman

so this begs the question - is he going to Deerfield for his grades or to develop his lacrosse? i don't see us as having too many mids on the roster ... in fact i think we could use as many as we can get. this is the first PG year i can remember under Coach T, any thoughts?

Rob Pannell did a postgrad year at Deerfield.

Quote from: billhowardRob Pannell did a postgrad year at Deerfield.

Yes, but Pannell wasn't committed to Cornell when he went to Deerfield, he went there to do the postgrad year because he wasn't happy with his college choices beforehand; only had one scholarship offer, at Quinnipiac.

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Quote from: CornellCommodoreIt also seems that in two years, we'll be getting a Maryland All-Metro attackman, after a year at Deerfield.  Hopefully this kid, John Hogan, can put to as good a use as Pannell did.  He'll be a FR when Pannell is a SR, Mock, Gillum and Fiore are JRs.  Sounds like a good team to me.  

Baltimore Sun All-Metro (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-sp-va-boys-lacrosse-first-team-20120100610,0,1190941.story)

Hogan is a middie, not an attackman

so this begs the question - is he going to Deerfield for his grades or to develop his lacrosse? i don't see us as having too many mids on the roster ... in fact i think we could use as many as we can get. this is the first PG year i can remember under Coach T, any thoughts?

I suspect it is grades. A friend's son here in Syracuse had to go to Onondaga CC for a semester, to prove his ability to do the work, but was then guaranteed admission in the spring. He turned out to be a high scoring attackman.

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Quote from: billhowardRob Pannell did a postgrad year at Deerfield.

Yes, but Pannell wasn't committed to Cornell when he went to Deerfield, he went there to do the postgrad year because he wasn't happy with his college choices beforehand; only had one scholarship offer, at Quinnipiac.

thanks Josh ... you hit it on the head. what i meant to say was i don't recall sending a kid for a PG year after committing under Coach T.

Andrew West, senior goalie for Connecticut class M champion Darien, is headed for Cornell next fall.  Inside Lacrosse article here: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/12/connecticut-high-school-state-championships-reports

Darien sophomore Case Matheis scored nine goals and eleven points in the championship game.  Hope he and West are good buddies.

The really, really, REALLY pre-season Inside Lacrosse media poll for the 2011 season: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/looking-ahead-way-early-2011-media-poll

With a few comments here: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/looking-ahead-comments-early-preseason-poll-and-where-teams-landed

Quote from: Al DeFlorioThe really, really, REALLY pre-season Inside Lacrosse media poll for the 2011 season: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/looking-ahead-way-early-2011-media-poll

With a few comments here: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/looking-ahead-comments-early-preseason-poll-and-where-teams-landed

I like this quote:

Quote6) Duke

Losing, in essence, two senior classes will lead to some struggles, particularly early.

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

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Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

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Quote from: semsox

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

Quint thinks it might be Mock: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/quint-kessenichs-2011-sophomores-watch

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ben03

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

Quint thinks it might be Mock: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/quint-kessenichs-2011-sophomores-watch

Certainly Mock will be a big part of the picture next year -- but who get's the third attack spot?  We've got returnees like Austin, Gilbane, Taylor and Gamble -- maybe one of them will step-up.  Or perhaps Lau or Gillum move back to attack from the midfield. And then there's guys from the incoming class like Entenmann and Bremner.  However it shakes out, there seems to be enough top-end talent to have a dynamic attack.

Quote from: scoop85

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ben03

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

Quint thinks it might be Mock: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/quint-kessenichs-2011-sophomores-watch

Certainly Mock will be a big part of the picture next year -- but who get's the third attack spot?  We've got returnees like Austin, Gilbane, Taylor and Gamble -- maybe one of them will step-up.  Or perhaps Lau or Gillum move back to attack from the midfield. And then there's guys from the incoming class like Entenmann and Bremner.  However it shakes out, there seems to be enough top-end talent to have a dynamic attack.

Seemed to me Hurley's height was a big advantage for his catch-and-shoot style at the crease.  Made it easier for Pannell to feed him.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: scoop85

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ben03

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

Quint thinks it might be Mock: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/quint-kessenichs-2011-sophomores-watch

Certainly Mock will be a big part of the picture next year -- but who get's the third attack spot?  We've got returnees like Austin, Gilbane, Taylor and Gamble -- maybe one of them will step-up.  Or perhaps Lau or Gillum move back to attack from the midfield. And then there's guys from the incoming class like Entenmann and Bremner.  However it shakes out, there seems to be enough top-end talent to have a dynamic attack.

Seemed to me Hurley's height was a big advantage for his catch-and-shoot style at the crease.  Made it easier for Pannell to feed him.

Move Lang to attack, if you really want size there?

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Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: scoop85

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ben03

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

Quint thinks it might be Mock: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/quint-kessenichs-2011-sophomores-watch

Certainly Mock will be a big part of the picture next year -- but who get's the third attack spot?  We've got returnees like Austin, Gilbane, Taylor and Gamble -- maybe one of them will step-up.  Or perhaps Lau or Gillum move back to attack from the midfield. And then there's guys from the incoming class like Entenmann and Bremner.  However it shakes out, there seems to be enough top-end talent to have a dynamic attack.

Seemed to me Hurley's height was a big advantage for his catch-and-shoot style at the crease.  Made it easier for Pannell to feed him.

Move Lang to attack, if you really want size there?

I'm more worried about midfield than attack.  That was this past season's #1 soft spot.  Lang and Lau were the two best dodgers at midfield, although Lang has to learn to hold onto the ball better while dodging.  I'm hoping Bremner will bring Canadian-style finishing skills to the table next year, but we'll have to wait and see--as with all freshmen.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: scoop85

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ben03

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: David Mitchell begat Ryan Hurley begat ?  You and I don't know that answer, but Jeff Tambroni does.  Someone will put a bushel load of Rob Panell passes in the net next year, but who?

Truer words have never been spoken.  I don't see Mock taking Hurlery's spot, but someone will.

i don't necessarily know that won't be the case ... Mock stepped up big time in the NC$$'s

with that said, i'll put  money's on "i don't have a clue ... "

Quint thinks it might be Mock: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/14/quint-kessenichs-2011-sophomores-watch

Certainly Mock will be a big part of the picture next year -- but who get's the third attack spot?  We've got returnees like Austin, Gilbane, Taylor and Gamble -- maybe one of them will step-up.  Or perhaps Lau or Gillum move back to attack from the midfield. And then there's guys from the incoming class like Entenmann and Bremner.  However it shakes out, there seems to be enough top-end talent to have a dynamic attack.

Seemed to me Hurley's height was a big advantage for his catch-and-shoot style at the crease.  Made it easier for Pannell to feed him.

Move Lang to attack, if you really want size there?

I'm more worried about midfield than attack.  That was this past season's #1 soft spot.  Lang and Lau were the two best dodgers at midfield, although Lang has to learn to hold onto the ball better while dodging.  I'm hoping Bremner will bring Canadian-style finishing skills to the table next year, but we'll have to wait and see--as with all freshmen.

Agreed, the midfield must be more dynamic next season; it was held in check during the ND game and really hampered the attack.

Harvard coach and Cornell alum John Tillman reportedly replacing Dave Cottle at Maryland: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/sources-harvards-tillman-be-named-maryland-head-coach

I guess we owe Maryland one for Richie Moran.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioHarvard coach and Cornell alum John Tillman reportedly replacing Dave Cottle at Maryland: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/sources-harvards-tillman-be-named-maryland-head-coach.
I guess we owe Maryland one for Richie Moran.

>>> UM is expected to make the news official on Wednesday. It's believed to be a long-term deal. Calls to Tillman and to UM senior associate athletics director Michael Lipitz have not been returned.

A bit top-heavy on administrators.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioHarvard coach and Cornell alum John Tillman reportedly replacing Dave Cottle at Maryland: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/sources-harvards-tillman-be-named-maryland-head-coach

I guess we owe Maryland one for Richie Moran.

Same citation:

QuoteTillman comes to College Park after three years returning Harvard lacrosse to national prominence....During his three seasons at Harvard, Tillman compiled an overall record of 20-19, including an 8-5 mark in 2009, which was the Crimson's highest win total since 1999.

Wow.  A .500 record, no tournament appearances and a fifth place finish in a seven team league. That's a return to national prominence???::wtf::

I appreciate the win over Princeton, but...::rolleyes::

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioHarvard coach and Cornell alum John Tillman reportedly replacing Dave Cottle at Maryland: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/sources-harvards-tillman-be-named-maryland-head-coach

I guess we owe Maryland one for Richie Moran.

Same citation:

QuoteTillman comes to College Park after three years returning Harvard lacrosse to national prominence....During his three seasons at Harvard, Tillman compiled an overall record of 20-19, including an 8-5 mark in 2009, which was the Crimson's highest win total since 1999.

Wow.  A .500 record, no tournament appearances and a fifth place finish in a seven team league. That's a return to national prominence???::wtf::

I appreciate the win over Princeton, but...::rolleyes::

Maybe they meant "relevance"?

Also, "return to"?  Have they ever been nationally prominent?

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Quote from: TimV

Quote from: Al DeFlorioHarvard coach and Cornell alum John Tillman reportedly replacing Dave Cottle at Maryland: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/sources-harvards-tillman-be-named-maryland-head-coach

I guess we owe Maryland one for Richie Moran.

Same citation:

QuoteTillman comes to College Park after three years returning Harvard lacrosse to national prominence....During his three seasons at Harvard, Tillman compiled an overall record of 20-19, including an 8-5 mark in 2009, which was the Crimson's highest win total since 1999.

Wow.  A .500 record, no tournament appearances and a fifth place finish in a seven team league. That's a return to national prominence???::wtf::

I appreciate the win over Princeton, but...::rolleyes::

Maybe they meant "relevance"?

Also, "return to"?  Have they ever been nationally prominent?

Twelve national championships between 1881 and 1915.

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: TimV

Quote from: Al DeFlorioHarvard coach and Cornell alum John Tillman reportedly replacing Dave Cottle at Maryland: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/06/15/sources-harvards-tillman-be-named-maryland-head-coach

I guess we owe Maryland one for Richie Moran.

Same citation:

QuoteTillman comes to College Park after three years returning Harvard lacrosse to national prominence....During his three seasons at Harvard, Tillman compiled an overall record of 20-19, including an 8-5 mark in 2009, which was the Crimson's highest win total since 1999.

Wow.  A .500 record, no tournament appearances and a fifth place finish in a seven team league. That's a return to national prominence???::wtf::

I appreciate the win over Princeton, but...::rolleyes::

Maybe they meant "relevance"?

Also, "return to"?  Have they ever been nationally prominent?

Twelve national championships between 1881 and 1915.

OK, then have they ever been relevant?

Quote from: TimVWow.  A .500 record, no tournament appearances and a fifth place finish in a seven team league. That's a return to national prominence???::wtf::

I appreciate the win over Princeton, but...::rolleyes::

I'd have taken Tillman in a second...

Apparently one of Cornell's recruits is playing for Sweden in the world championships.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100719/BLOG34/100719817

Cornell will scrimmage against Villanova and Hofstra in the Colleluori Classic at Ridley High School in Folsom, PA, on October 9th.  Details here: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/09/07/mens-lacrosse-details-fourth-annual-nick-colleluori-classic-ridley-hs

Figures.  I'll be out of town that day.  ::cuss::

Cornell and Virginia will play in the second game of the Face-off Classic on March 12 in Baltimore.
http://cornellbigred.com/news/2010/9/30/MLAX_0930105113.aspx

It will be intersting to see how much more attention the publication will pay to us now that they can use us to pimp their event,

Quote from: TimVIt will be intersting to see how much more attention the publication will pay to us now that they can use us to pimp their event,

True, we've always been the ugly stepchild on IL, as we've never before played in one of their events.

DeLuca appears on CU's interview series, Sidlines (http://www.cornell.edu/video/?videoID=887&startSecs=0&endSecs=599). It's the first time I've seen him interviewed at length, and I am rather impressed.  He exudes leadership qualities, and I am even more convinced that the lax program is in the right hands.

Quote from: scoop85DeLuca appears on CU's interview series, Sidlines (http://www.cornell.edu/video/?videoID=887&startSecs=0&endSecs=599). It's the first time I've seen him interviewed at length, and I am rather impressed.  He exudes leadership qualities, and I am even more convinced that the lax program is in the right hands.

I'd have been happier if he'd included Ned Harkness in his list of the great Cornell coaches in whose footsteps he is following, but that's not too surprising, as DeLuca's time at Cornell coincided with the three head coaches he mentioned.

Some interesting stuff in this Inside Lacrosse fall ball update on Penn State.  The reader comments about Tambroni at the bottom of the page are especially interesting.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/10/07/fallball-check-penn-state-nittany-lions

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: scoop85DeLuca appears on CU's interview series, Sidlines (http://www.cornell.edu/video/?videoID=887&startSecs=0&endSecs=599). It's the first time I've seen him interviewed at length, and I am rather impressed.  He exudes leadership qualities, and I am even more convinced that the lax program is in the right hands.

I'd have been happier if he'd included Ned Harkness in his list of the great Cornell coaches in whose footsteps he is following, but that's not too surprising, as DeLuca's time at Cornell coincided with the three head coaches he mentioned.

Some interesting stuff in this Inside Lacrosse fall ball update on Penn State.  The reader comments about Tambroni at the bottom of the page are especially interesting.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/10/07/fallball-check-penn-state-nittany-lions

Al, I took it as DeLuca discussing the lineage that he was a part of, certainly not intending to slight Harkness.

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Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: scoop85DeLuca appears on CU's interview series, Sidlines (http://www.cornell.edu/video/?videoID=887&startSecs=0&endSecs=599). It's the first time I've seen him interviewed at length, and I am rather impressed.  He exudes leadership qualities, and I am even more convinced that the lax program is in the right hands.

I'd have been happier if he'd included Ned Harkness in his list of the great Cornell coaches in whose footsteps he is following, but that's not too surprising, as DeLuca's time at Cornell coincided with the three head coaches he mentioned.

Some interesting stuff in this Inside Lacrosse fall ball update on Penn State.  The reader comments about Tambroni at the bottom of the page are especially interesting.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/10/07/fallball-check-penn-state-nittany-lions

Al, I took it as DeLuca discussing the lineage that he was a part of, certainly not intending to slight Harkness.

I think that's what I wrote;-), but I'd still have been happier if he'd included Harkness.  Schafer certainly would have, and Harkness wasn't a direct part of his "lineage."  Look, I'm not holding it against him or anything, I just think the Cornell lacrosse family should never forget that the lacrosse resurrection, like the hockey resurrection, started with Ned.  Before Ned, both were striving to attain mediocrity.

Ned Harkness has been gone a long time. Yes, it would have been politic to have invoked the great one's name. Even smart thinkers sometimes forget one or two points when they're on camera and you're not doing multiple takes. If you mention too many names, you start sounding like a Nascar driver: "The Taco Bell Verizon Wireless Home Depot Preparation-H US Army Goodies Headache Powder Dodge Charger was running good until we got too much push from the tahrs up in turn four but praise the Lord he was with us today and we didn't hit the wall all the hard and plus the Team Penske Racing crew built us a right safe car."

DeLuca actually responded to the question he was asked by his interviewer and the context was the fact that he had been recruited by Moran, played for Petro and Tambroni and then coached with Tambroni -- what was it like to be the next in line in that tradition?  As a Cornell lacrosse player and coach, I am sure that Ben DeLuca is well aware of the role that Ned Harkness played in the history of the program.

Quote from: dag14DeLuca actually responded to the question he was asked by his interviewer and the context was the fact that he had been recruited by Moran, played for Petro and Tambroni and then coached with Tambroni -- what was it like to be the next in line in that tradition?  As a Cornell lacrosse player and coach, I am sure that Ben DeLuca is well aware of the role that Ned Harkness played in the history of the program.

Look, you're making more of this than I ever intended.  The interview did not start with a question.  The interviewer began by saying:  "Richie Moran, Dave Pietramala, and Jeff Tambroni, those are tough acts to follow."  DeLuca then went on to talk about being recruited by Moran, playing for Pietramala, etc.  All I'm saying is that I'd have been happier if Ben had said "and don't forget Ned Harkness in your list of 'tough acts.'  With that, I give up.

Princeton's hot-shot freshman (now sophomore) middie, Mike Chanenchuk, fractured his collarbone in this weekend's fall-ball scrimmages.

Speaking of hot-shot Princeton freshman middies, look out for Tom Schreiber from St. Anthony's. With his talent and Chris Bates' offensive philosophies, that young man might be set up to have a freshman year like no Ivy midfielder we've ever seen. Barring injuries, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get more than 60 points.

Cornell "fall ball check-in" at Inside Lacrosse: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/10/22/fallball-check-cornell-big-red

"Happy" to see this quote from Coach DeLuca:

"When you talk about being the head coach of Cornell, it's unbelievable when you consider Ned Harkness to Richie Moran to Dave Pietramala and Jeff Tambroni," DeLuca said. Those are Hall of Fame-caliber coaches. It's very humbling to be mentioned in the same breath as those men."::banana::

Quote from: Al DeFlorioCornell "fall ball check-in" at Inside Lacrosse: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/10/22/fallball-check-cornell-big-red

"Happy" to see this quote from Coach DeLuca:

"When you talk about being the head coach of Cornell, it's unbelievable when you consider Ned Harkness to Richie Moran to Dave Pietramala and Jeff Tambroni," DeLuca said. Those are Hall of Fame-caliber coaches. It's very humbling to be mentioned in the same breath as those men."::banana::

I was going to post the link with a shout-out to Al about the Harkness reference -- but you beat me to it :-D

Interesting item from the article about goaltending changes:

>>> In net, junior Brian O'Donnell (Philadelphia, PA) has catapulted himself from a walk-on last season to the second string keeper this fall. Coaches have called O'Donnell one of the "unsung heroes" of the team for his work ethic and commitment. After then-freshman AJ Fiore (Ithaca, NY) narrowly beat out then-junior Mat Martinez for the starting nod last spring, Martinez has since left the team, leaving O'Donnell to be Fiore's first backup.

Quint's very preseason rankings, and other musings:  http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/10/22/quint-kessenichs-five-things-learned-during-fallball

Didn't think this deserved a separate thread, but here's a couple of names for 2012.

QuoteInside Lacrosse No. 40 Young Gun Junior Henry West, Midfield, Darien (Conn.) verbally committed to Cornell. West, who played with both Laxachusetts and the Connecticut Chargers, scored 30 goals and 24 assists last spring. He also considered Johns Hopkins, Maryland and Penn State.

QuoteInside Lacrosse No. 48 Young Gun Junior Johnny Edmonds, Attack/Midfield, Ward Melville (N.Y.) verbally committed to Cornell

http://insidelacrosse.com/Recruiting/

Congrats to Coach DeLuca in his successful recruiting of these two Top 50 Young Guns.  Looking forward to seeing them in Cornell uniforms!

Quote from: ithacatDidn't think this deserved a separate thread, but here's a couple of names for 2012.

QuoteInside Lacrosse No. 40 Young Gun Junior Henry West, Midfield, Darien (Conn.) verbally committed to Cornell. West, who played with both Laxachusetts and the Connecticut Chargers, scored 30 goals and 24 assists last spring. He also considered Johns Hopkins, Maryland and Penn State.

QuoteInside Lacrosse No. 48 Young Gun Junior Johnny Edmonds, Attack/Midfield, Ward Melville (N.Y.) verbally committed to Cornell

http://insidelacrosse.com/Recruiting/

Henry's older brother Andrew is a frosh goalie on this year's Cornell team.

Ben DeLuca talks about (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZHG89CTBHA) Saturday's scrimmage against Colgate. Didn't catch a score, but it sounds like it was a mixed performance from Cornell.

Syracuse Post-Standard interview with Coach DeLuca. (http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2011/02/post_25.html)

Quote from: Jim HylaSyracuse Post-Standard interview with Coach DeLuca. (http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2011/02/post_25.html)

For a moment I thought I was in the middle of the New York Times thread in the hockey forum.

Some insights from the Hopkins crowd on yesterday's scrimmage are in this laxpower forum thread:

http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40075&start=2600

Scroll down the page about one-third of the way.

A poster who goes by jhu72 seemed to take it as a good sign that Hopkins was able to stay right with us.  How 'bout that?:-D

He also goes on to say that Cornell is not a top 5 team, but probably in the lower end of 6-10.  I can't really argue with that...

Nor can I.  I'm actually happy about it.

Quint's season preview video is here: http://video.insidelacrosse.com/video/view/62099641/4---cornell-season-preview

Season preview for #4 Cornell is here at Inside Lacrosse: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/15/ncaa-preview-2011-no-4-cornell

Why are the saying "#4 Cornell?  For the most recent polls I could find (1/31) we are #7 in the Media Poll and #8 in the Coaches Poll.

Quote from: KenPWhy are the saying "#4 Cornell?  For the most recent polls I could find (1/31) we are #7 in the Media Poll and #8 in the Coaches Poll.

Cornell is #4 in the Inside Lacrosse Face-Off Yearbook pre-season rankings:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2010/11/29/face-yearbook-2011-division-i-top-20-rankings

I heard that Mumford didn't play any defense in either the Colgate and Hopkins scrimmage.  In the team roster, he is no longer listed.  What's up?

Quote from: Red_laxfan77I heard that Mumford didn't play any defense in either the Colgate and Hopkins scrimmage.  In the team roster, he is no longer listed.  What's up?

Laxpower Cornell thread is claiming a knee injury knocked him out for the year.  Not sure why this would remove him from the roster though unless it's some sort of eligibility related thing...

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Quote from: Red_laxfan77I heard that Mumford didn't play any defense in either the Colgate and Hopkins scrimmage.  In the team roster, he is no longer listed.  What's up?

Laxpower Cornell thread is claiming a knee injury knocked him out for the year.  Not sure why this would remove him from the roster though unless it's some sort of eligibility related thing...

Unfortunately it looks like there was something more.  IL reporting he's left the team, confirming it with the University.  Disappointing, as everything I heard about him led me to believe he would be an asset to the team.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/22/cornell-defenseman-leaves-team

Inside Lacrosse has Cornell as the cover story of its March issue.  Additional pictures taken at the photo shoot are here:

 http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/23/inside-lacrosse-march-issue-photos-cornell-cover-shoot

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: Red_laxfan77I heard that Mumford didn't play any defense in either the Colgate and Hopkins scrimmage.  In the team roster, he is no longer listed.  What's up?

Laxpower Cornell thread is claiming a knee injury knocked him out for the year.  Not sure why this would remove him from the roster though unless it's some sort of eligibility related thing...

Unfortunately it looks like there was something more.  IL reporting he's left the team, confirming it with the University.  Disappointing, as everything I heard about him led me to believe he would be an asset to the team.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/22/cornell-defenseman-leaves-team

Latest relevant posting on LaxPower forum:

"Wow, IL has not done a good job reporting about Mumford. First, they have him playing in their scrimmages and now they have it as if he just quit. From what I understand, he had a significant enough knee injury, to keep him out for the season including the scrimmages that they said he did a good job in. They make it sound as if he just up and quit."

Perhaps only The Shadow knows.

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Quote from: semsox

Quote from: semsox

Quote from: Red_laxfan77I heard that Mumford didn't play any defense in either the Colgate and Hopkins scrimmage.  In the team roster, he is no longer listed.  What's up?

Laxpower Cornell thread is claiming a knee injury knocked him out for the year.  Not sure why this would remove him from the roster though unless it's some sort of eligibility related thing...

Unfortunately it looks like there was something more.  IL reporting he's left the team, confirming it with the University.  Disappointing, as everything I heard about him led me to believe he would be an asset to the team.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/22/cornell-defenseman-leaves-team

Latest relevant posting on LaxPower forum:

"Wow, IL has not done a good job reporting about Mumford. First, they have him playing in their scrimmages and now they have it as if he just quit. From what I understand, he had a significant enough knee injury, to keep him out for the season including the scrimmages that they said he did a good job in. They make it sound as if he just up and quit."

Perhaps only The Shadow knows.

Not The Shadow, but Brian Delaney in today's Ithaca Journal:

"Depth did take a hit this month. Junior Peter Mumford, a highly regarded close defenseman from Onondaga Community College, suffered a torn ACL and partial tear of his MCL and has left the team. Sophomore Kyle Ewanouski, junior T.J. Weyl, senior Chris Livadas and freshman Tom Freshour are next in line."

Quote from: Al DeFlorioInside Lacrosse has Cornell as the cover story of its March issue.  Additional pictures taken at the photo shoot are here:

 http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/23/inside-lacrosse-march-issue-photos-cornell-cover-shoot

Do any of you care as much about lacrosse jersey styles as about hockey uniform styles?

Quote from: David Harding

Quote from: Al DeFlorioInside Lacrosse has Cornell as the cover story of its March issue.  Additional pictures taken at the photo shoot are here:

 http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/23/inside-lacrosse-march-issue-photos-cornell-cover-shoot

Do any of you care as much about lacrosse jersey styles as about hockey uniform styles?

Not since the "Butt C" became standard.

Quote from: Al DeFlorioPerhaps only The Shadow knows.

The Shadow only knows what evil lurks in the heart of men.

Oh, and the weed of crime bears bitter fruit.  If anybody was curious.

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Al DeFlorioPerhaps only The Shadow knows.

The Shadow only knows what evil lurks in the heart of men.

Oh, and the weed of crime bears bitter fruit.  If anybody was curious.

And don't forget:  "Crime does NOT pay!"

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Al DeFlorioPerhaps only The Shadow knows.

The Shadow only knows what evil lurks in the heart of men.

Oh, and the weed of crime bears bitter fruit.  If anybody was curious.

And don't forget:  "Crime does NOT pay!"

Except on Wall Street

I noticed that in the magazine article, there were no names identifying the players in the pictures, consistent with the Cornell "Team First" philosophy.  They also discussed The coaching staff's capably recruiting lesser acclaimed players not on Inside Lacrosse's blue chip lists and being successful with them.

Quote from: Towerroad

Quote from: Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Trotsky

Quote from: Al DeFlorioPerhaps only The Shadow knows.

The Shadow only knows what evil lurks in the heart of men.

Oh, and the weed of crime bears bitter fruit.  If anybody was curious.

And don't forget:  "Crime does NOT pay!"

Except on Wall Street

... where many lacrosse players (all colleges) gravitate. Continuing their competitive nature.

Quote from: RichH

Quote from: David Harding

Quote from: Al DeFlorioInside Lacrosse has Cornell as the cover story of its March issue.  Additional pictures taken at the photo shoot are here:

 http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/02/23/inside-lacrosse-march-issue-photos-cornell-cover-shoot

Do any of you care as much about lacrosse jersey styles as about hockey uniform styles?

Not since the "Butt C" became standard.

These look like a return to the style worn before the butt-C jerseys.

If you can extrapolate your best single-game performance into the playoffs, ten teams would declare themselves worthy of being the NCAA champion. After the 11-6 demolition of Syracuse on the road Tuesday night, Cornell has good reason to see itself getting back to Baltimore this year.

No. 2 Notre Dame is 9-0 with one-goal wins over Denver and (on Sunday) Georgetown; they close at Syracuse and at North Carolina. If they stay unbeaten, they deserve the #1 ranking and seeding going in.

As a special treat to readers on the heels of Cornell's big win, Inside Lacrosse is running its Big Red feature story from the March issue of the magazine (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/13/magazine-special-cornell-feature-march-2011-issue), reported and written by Terry Foy.

Very nice article about the multi-year effort to make Cornell a top-caliber program.

Quote from: KenPAs a special treat to readers on the heels of Cornell's big win, Inside Lacrosse is running its Big Red feature story from the March issue of the magazine (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/13/magazine-special-cornell-feature-march-2011-issue), reported and written by Terry Foy.

Very nice article about the multi-year effort to make Cornell a top-caliber program.

A very good story [edit: an excellent story with a lot of sources and details], but what a clumsy online intro to the print story and a heavy-handed suggestion that you really should subscribe to the magazine. Maybe IL ran the Cornell story online because no new helmets or gloves came out this week.

Quote from: billhowardNo. 2 Notre Dame is 9-0 with one-goal wins over Denver and (on Sunday) Georgetown; they close at Syracuse and at North Carolina. If they stay unbeaten, they deserve the #1 ranking and seeding going in.

It will get a little messy if Syracuse beats Notre Dame!

If only we'd taken care of Army...

Quote from: Robb

Quote from: billhowardNo. 2 Notre Dame is 9-0 with one-goal wins over Denver and (on Sunday) Georgetown; they close at Syracuse and at North Carolina. If they stay unbeaten, they deserve the #1 ranking and seeding going in.

It will get a little messy if Syracuse beats Notre Dame!

If only we'd taken care of Army...

Injuries made Cornell shorthanded in the Army game, as they did Syracuse last night. Cornell also has improved steadily as the season has progressed.

Hopefully, the seeding committee takes such things into account.

Quote from: billhoward

Quote from: KenPAs a special treat to readers on the heels of Cornell's big win, Inside Lacrosse is running its Big Red feature story from the March issue of the magazine (http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/13/magazine-special-cornell-feature-march-2011-issue), reported and written by Terry Foy.

Very nice article about the multi-year effort to make Cornell a top-caliber program.

A very good story [edit: an excellent story with a lot of sources and details], but what a clumsy online intro to the print story and a heavy-handed suggestion that you really should subscribe to the magazine. Maybe IL ran the Cornell story online because no new helmets or gloves came out this week.

But if you want clumsy, how about this clumsy quote from Tierney:

Quote"At the time that David took over, the biggest thing was recruiting," Tierney says. "It had changed drastically in the mid-'90s. You had to get into kids' homes and it was an energy thing. They took advantage of the advantages Cornell has over the other Ivy League schools. You have to ask them how much of [their plan] came from looking at Princeton, but maybe that's the nature of the rivalry — you have two schools that look at each other and are in awe of the other."

Yeah, I guess the reason we are successful is because of you? And is that a backhand reference to the state schools? What about all the advantages Princeton has had with their financial aid. Maybe I'm glad, in many ways, he's far away.

I noticed in the print edition a subtle tribute to Cornell's emphasis on "Team" - no photo in the article identified any of the players by name.

My neighbor is deeply involved in Princeton athletics. He talks about the unfair advantage of Cornell state schools. I talk about the unfair advantage of Princeton having the nation's second-largest endowment per student (after Stanford) and Class of '52 Field for lacrosse (4,000 seats, surrounded by woods, modern facilities).

State schools have nothing to do with it, look what Harvard has been doing with basketball recruiting, lowering their standards enough to get guys who most of the other schools in the league couldnt get in

Quote from: billhowardMy neighbor is deeply involved in Princeton athletics. He talks about the unfair advantage of Cornell state schools. I talk about the unfair advantage of Princeton having the nation's second-largest endowment per student (after Stanford) and Class of '52 Field for lacrosse (4,000 seats, surrounded by woods, modern facilities).

It's just a rationalization for their failures.

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Quote from: billhowardMy neighbor is deeply involved in Princeton athletics. He talks about the unfair advantage of Cornell state schools. I talk about the unfair advantage of Princeton having the nation's second-largest endowment per student (after Stanford) and Class of '52 Field for lacrosse (4,000 seats, surrounded by woods, modern facilities).

It's just a rationalization for their failures.

I think it is more like jealousy. Our Ice Cream is vastly superior to theirs.

Quote from: Towerroad

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhowardMy neighbor is deeply involved in Princeton athletics. He talks about the unfair advantage of Cornell state schools. I talk about the unfair advantage of Princeton having the nation's second-largest endowment per student (after Stanford) and Class of '52 Field for lacrosse (4,000 seats, surrounded by woods, modern facilities).

It's just a rationalization for their failures.

I think it is more like jealousy. Our Ice Cream is vastly superior to theirs.

Princeton's in New Jersey! Princeton's in New Jersey!

Quote from: Towerroad

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhowardMy neighbor is deeply involved in Princeton athletics. He talks about the unfair advantage of Cornell state schools. I talk about the unfair advantage of Princeton having the nation's second-largest endowment per student (after Stanford) and Class of '52 Field for lacrosse (4,000 seats, surrounded by woods, modern facilities).

It's just a rationalization for their failures.

I think it is more like jealousy. Our Ice Cream is vastly superior to theirs.

In fairness, Thomas Sweet is actually pretty good.  However, our hockey team is vastly superior to theirs, and that's far more important.

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: Towerroad

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhowardMy neighbor is deeply involved in Princeton athletics. He talks about the unfair advantage of Cornell state schools. I talk about the unfair advantage of Princeton having the nation's second-largest endowment per student (after Stanford) and Class of '52 Field for lacrosse (4,000 seats, surrounded by woods, modern facilities).

It's just a rationalization for their failures.

I think it is more like jealousy. Our Ice Cream is vastly superior to theirs.

In fairness, Thomas Sweet is actually pretty good.  However, our hockey team is vastly superior to theirs, and that's far more important.

Boy, I don't know, that might be the question for the ages Ice Cream or Hockey? A strong case can be made for either. Of course both is the best.

As for Thomas Sweet. I am willing to concede that it might be a fine product but is it made on campus by students as part of an academic program? I think not, and as a result a clear glaring chasm in the academic offerings at Princeton. Hence the jealousy.

Now if I want to make a Tiger weep one only need mention that we have a course on Wines that is specifically exempt from the NYS drinking age.

"I would found and institution where any person can find instruction in any study." Our founder knew what he was doing!

The new cheer is something like "Princeton's Everywhere in New Jersey." Fifteen miles outside of Princeton proper, you start seeing Princeton Heights, Princeton Highlands, Princeton Corporate Park, Princeton Forrestal Village. Everyboyd wants a pice of the magic. See how your property values over the past decade have stood up compared to those in Princeton.

Go ahead, knock New Jersey. We could use a little less crowding. We're 45 minutes from Princeton, have almost an acre of land, are five minutes from train service into Manhattan (45 mins), have seen deer and fox in our back yard (cute the first time only), and most of the children in our town grow up with straight, pearl-white teeth. Life is pretty good ... until you get the property tax bills.

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=140663779339021

QuoteBig Red men's lacrosse continues their quest for the ninth consecutive Ivy League title when they host long-time rival Princeton at Schoellkopf Field on Saturday, April 30th.

FREE "BEAT PRINCETON" rally towel for the first 2,000 fans!

CORNELL STUDENTS ADMITTED FREE!!!! Don't miss out on the Cornell tailgate carnival before the game: 10:30am-12:15pm in the Crescent Lot. Prizes, games, giveaways, music and fun. Bring your own tailgating necessities if you so desire. Located at the top of the grassy slope behind the Crescent.

***The first 500 Cornell students will also receive a FREE Cornell lacrosse pinney!*** They will be distributed at the student carnival in the parking lot and the student entrance of Schoellkopf.

Come out strong for the final game of the regular season and GO BIG RED!

First the small matter of getting past Brown Saturday. Cornell's senior class came up short the last trip to Providence and is 2-2 (including a playoff game) vs. Brown. A win gives Cornell the Ivy League regular season title and puts the Ivy playoffs in Ithaca.

This from the pre-game notes http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2011/4/21/MLAX_0421111000.aspx: >>> CLOSE CALLS — Since the beginning of the 2003 season, Cornell is 27-7 in games that have been decided by a single goal, a mark that was raised as the Big Red defeated Harvard, 13-12, on April 9, 2011, at Harvard Stadium ...

... but the importance of those one-goal losses ...

Quote from: billhoward... but the importance of those one-goal losses ...

Don't go there.  Just don't go there.  ::smashfreak::

Quote from: billhowardFirst the small matter of getting past Brown Saturday. Cornell's senior class came up short the last trip to Providence and is 2-2 (including a playoff game) vs. Brown. A win gives Cornell the Ivy League regular season title and puts the Ivy playoffs in Ithaca.

Fixed, as was already discussed upthread.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: billhoward... but the importance of those one-goal losses ...

Don't go there.  Just don't go there.  ::smashfreak::

Amen

I didn't see this posted anywhere, and not sure if it deserves its own thread, but Michigan is adding D1 programs (men in 2012, women in 2013).  I think we're still 3 programs shy of the Big Ten Lacrosse Conference.

EDIT: forgot to attach link: http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/breaking-michigan-mens-lacrosse-go-di-2012-womens-2013

Quote from: Ronald '09I think we're still 3 programs shy of the Big Ten Lacrosse Conference.

Two on the womens side for whatever it's worth. Amazing that there at 91 W D-1 teams now.

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: billhowardFirst the small matter of getting past Brown Saturday. Cornell's senior class came up short the last trip to Providence and is 2-2 (including a playoff game) vs. Brown. A win gives Cornell the Ivy League regular season title and puts the Ivy playoffs in Ithaca.

Fixed, as was already discussed upthread.

We just clinched home field in the Ivy League automatic bid tournament, or whatever you want to call it with Princeton's 9-8 defeat at home against Harvard.  Amazingly, I think Princeton is still alive for that 4th seed even if we beat them next week with a 2-4 record.  They wouldn't have the tiebreaker against Harvard, and I think Harvard would come out of a 3-way tie with Brown being the third team, but if Dartmouth beats Brown next week (this scenario involves us beating Brown today), the head-to-head would be 1-1 for Princeton, Harvard, and Dartmouth.  I'm not sure how that tie would be broken, so maybe I'm wrong and Princeton needs to beat us to get in?

Brown audio covering the game for free.  Now 1-0 Red with 8:30 left in the first qtr.

End of 1.  Now 5-1 Red.  Pannell with 3 assists.

5-1 Red after 1.  3 assists for Pannell so far.  Field conditions look terrible on b2 broadcast, but not slowing us down much so far.

One thing I don't understand is why DeLuca insists on using McMichael so much on the faceoffs, when he's clearly not the best option on the team.

Brown announcers say that Brown has won 7 of 9 faceoffs.  Ugh.

5-2 Red, but we've missed about 3 gimmes that defy explanation.

Now 6-2.  We finally score on the EMO.

Three big saves by Fiore!

watching the Brown feed.  Announcers are reasonably knowledgeable (but no Barry and Howie), but their banter is inane

Quote from: scoop85watching the Brown feed.  Announcers are reasonably knowledgeable (but no Barry and Howie), but their banter is inane

Were they just talking about their childrens' bedtimes?  If so, then it's the same as the audio.

Halftime.  8-2 Red.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: scoop85watching the Brown feed.  Announcers are reasonably knowledgeable (but no Barry and Howie), but their banter is inane

Were they just talking about their childrens' bedtimes?  If so, then it's the same as the audio.

Um, yeah -- really pathetic stuff.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: scoop85watching the Brown feed.  Announcers are reasonably knowledgeable (but no Barry and Howie), but their banter is inane

Were they just talking about their childrens' bedtimes?  If so, then it's the same as the audio.

Yeah, same guys. A bit of homerism, but decent.

Four assists for Pannell, by the way.

Pretty far fall for Princeton to not even make a four-team Ivy tournament if they mess up next week. I'm having trouble following the possibilities but it seems no matter how bad Princeton's record, they still have a shot at making the Ivy tournament.

So, 8-2 at half. Pannell with 4 assists, Lang with two goals, balanced scoring overall.  Brown hasn't had many chances, but Fiore came up big in one sequence in the 2nd period when it was 5-2.  Field conditions are abysmal.  Brown has committed a slew of unforced turnovers.

While we missed some golden opportunities, can't really complain about a six goal lead at a place that hasn't always been especially hospitable to Cornell.

Lang with the hat trick!  Now 9-2 just into the 3rd qtr.

11-2 after Lau scores a man-up

End of the 3rd.  15-4 Good Guys.  

Time to empty the benches.

This is a really nice job just taking care of business against an inferior opponent on the road.  Our inadequacy at the X has been alleviated all game by Brown throwing the ball out of bounds uncontested after winning the faceoff.

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82End of the 3rd.  15-4 Good Guys.  

Time to empty the benches.

FO's only weakness today, but Brown has committed so many turnovers after winning the faceoff that it hasn't mattered.

Quote from: Ronald '09This is a really nice job just taking care of business against an inferior opponent on the road.  Our inadequacy at the X has been alleviated all game by Brown throwing the ball out of bounds uncontested after winning the faceoff.

I swear, I didn't see your post before I said essentially the same thing ::burnout::

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Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82End of the 3rd.  15-4 Good Guys.  

Time to empty the benches.

FO's only weakness today, but Brown has committed so many turnovers after winning the faceoff that it hasn't mattered.

A friend of mine who's a lax coach told me that faceoffs on grass are very different than on turf.  I wonder if that, plus the state of the field, has a lot to do with it.

Now 18-5.  

Brown announcers give a shout-out to Schafer.

Brown with 27 turnovers!  Wow.

Ivy Leauge Champs!

(Yeah I know we clinched it earlier.  This feels better.)

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Brown with 27 turnovers!  Wow.

They've been awful. I wonder if Tiffany wishes he took the Penn State job now :-}

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Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: billhowardFirst the small matter of getting past Brown Saturday. Cornell's senior class came up short the last trip to Providence and is 2-2 (including a playoff game) vs. Brown. A win gives Cornell the Ivy League regular season title and puts the Ivy playoffs in Ithaca.

Fixed, as was already discussed upthread.

We just clinched home field in the Ivy League automatic bid tournament, or whatever you want to call it with Princeton's 9-8 defeat at home against Harvard.  Amazingly, I think Princeton is still alive for that 4th seed even if we beat them next week with a 2-4 record.  They wouldn't have the tiebreaker against Harvard, and I think Harvard would come out of a 3-way tie with Brown being the third team, but if Dartmouth beats Brown next week (this scenario involves us beating Brown today), the head-to-head would be 1-1 for Princeton, Harvard, and Dartmouth.  I'm not sure how that tie would be broken, so maybe I'm wrong and Princeton needs to beat us to get in?

Based on today's results, I make out the following possible scenarios depending on next week's results (tournament seeds listed in order):

If Harvard wins: Cornell, Penn, Harvard, Yale

If Yale and Princeton win: Cornell, Penn, Yale, Princeton

If Yale, Cornell, and Brown win: Cornell, Penn, Yale, Harvard

If Yale, Cornell and Dartmouth win: Cornell, Penn, Yale, (random draw among Harvard, Princeton, and Dartmouth)

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82Ivy Leauge Champs!

(Yeah I know we clinched it earlier.  This feels better.)

We did clinch the outright Ivy League title with our win today.  We clinched home field earlier.  If we lost today and to Princeton, we theoretically could have ended up tied with Penn and/or Yale for the regular season title.  So we clinched two different things at two different times today.

The final was 18-5 for anyone who is trying to follow through this thread.

Nice way to lay out the scenarios while avoiding being hammered if you should describe adequately the team that finishes with the best Ivy record but use the phrase that is not officially approved.

Courtesy of cornellbigred.com:

QuoteBen DeLuca becomes the first Cornell coach to win an Ivy title in his first season since Richie Moran (1969) and the first to win the outright conference crown in his rookie season since Ned Harkness (1966)

That bodes very well.

Quote from: BenCourtesy of cornellbigred.com:

QuoteBen DeLuca becomes the  first Cornell coach to win an Ivy title in his first season since Richie Moran (1969) and the first to win the outright conference crown in his rookie season since Ned Harkness (1966)

That bodes very well.

Elite company indeed! What's impressive is how this young team has both improved and gained confidence as the season has progressed. At a minimum, between now and Memorial Day 2012 we have a lot to look forward to. ::banana::

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Quote from: BenCourtesy of cornellbigred.com:

QuoteBen DeLuca becomes the  first Cornell coach to win an Ivy title in his first season since Richie Moran (1969) and the first to win the outright conference crown in his rookie season since Ned Harkness (1966)

That bodes very well.

Elite company indeed! What's impressive is how this young team has both improved and gained confidence as the season has progressed. At a minimum, between now and Memorial Day 2012 we have a lot to look forward to. ::banana::

Here's hoping for a national championship and rain-free Slope Day. Not sure which will be tougher this year. In the meantime, let's dismantle Princeton and roar into the Ivy playoffs / playdown / whatever and root for Syracuse to take down #1 Notre Dame Saturday at the Carrier Dome (7 pm start). Cornell is still #3 [edit: not #2, that's media poll] in the coaches' poll.

From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

Quote from: jeff '84From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

It's tough to argue with him here; Pannell's 5.67 points per game are more than a point better than the next guys (Jeremy Boltus of Army and Scott Perri of Drexel at 4.62), and none of the other top teams have anybody even close.

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: jeff '84From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

It's tough to argue with him here; Pannell's 5.67 points per game are more than a point better than the next guys (Jeremy Boltus of Army and Scott Perri of Drexel at 4.62), and none of the other top teams have anybody even close.

Well, I might want to nit pick with him. He says, the award "has typically gone to the best player on the best team. ,,, But this year is different." He goes on to talk about Pannell, but he never justifies his claim that this year is different. I don't see how it's any different. ::innocent::

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: jeff '84From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

It's tough to argue with him here; Pannell's 5.67 points per game are more than a point better than the next guys (Jeremy Boltus of Army and Scott Perri of Drexel at 4.62), and none of the other top teams have anybody even close.

Well, I might want to nit pick with him. He says, the award "has typically gone to the best player on the best team. ,,, But this year is different." He goes on to talk about Pannell, but he never justifies his claim that this year is different. I don't see how it's any different. ::innocent::

Does he really need to mention that there's a nearly consensus #1 team which is not named "Cornell?"  If this year were no different, then the favorite would be Notre Dame's best player.

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: jeff '84From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

It's tough to argue with him here; Pannell's 5.67 points per game are more than a point better than the next guys (Jeremy Boltus of Army and Scott Perri of Drexel at 4.62), and none of the other top teams have anybody even close.

Well, I might want to nit pick with him. He says, the award "has typically gone to the best player on the best team. ,,, But this year is different." He goes on to talk about Pannell, but he never justifies his claim that this year is different. I don't see how it's any different. ::innocent::

I thought he was fairly clear about the point that this year is (perhaps he meant "should be" but that's nitpicking) different because Pannell is scoring at such a ridiculous pace.

Quote from: Robb

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: jeff '84From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

It's tough to argue with him here; Pannell's 5.67 points per game are more than a point better than the next guys (Jeremy Boltus of Army and Scott Perri of Drexel at 4.62), and none of the other top teams have anybody even close.

Well, I might want to nit pick with him. He says, the award "has typically gone to the best player on the best team. ,,, But this year is different." He goes on to talk about Pannell, but he never justifies his claim that this year is different. I don't see how it's any different. ::innocent::

Does he really need to mention that there's a nearly consensus #1 team which is not named "Cornell?"  If this year were no different, then the favorite would be Notre Dame's best player.

I think we'll know more about Notre Dame's claim to be the best team after this Saturday (and the following Friday). To appease the woofing gods: we'll also know more about where Cornell stands after this Saturday and the month of May.

As was proven on April 12, a consensus #1 team in April is not necessarily the #1 team on Memorial Day.

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Robb

Quote from: Swampy

Quote from: Josh '99

Quote from: jeff '84From Inside Lacrosse:

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2011/04/22/quint-kessenich-who-should-win-2011-tewaaraton

Quint Kessenich answers: Who Should Win the 2011 Tewaaraton?


"The Tewaaraton has typically gone to the best player on the best team. Playoff wins and exposure during the NCAA tournament have meant a ton. But this year is different. The best player resides in Ithaca, N.Y., and it isn't debateable. Start engraving the trophy with the name Rob Pannell."

It's tough to argue with him here; Pannell's 5.67 points per game are more than a point better than the next guys (Jeremy Boltus of Army and Scott Perri of Drexel at 4.62), and none of the other top teams have anybody even close.

Well, I might want to nit pick with him. He says, the award "has typically gone to the best player on the best team. ,,, But this year is different." He goes on to talk about Pannell, but he never justifies his claim that this year is different. I don't see how it's any different. ::innocent::

Does he really need to mention that there's a nearly consensus #1 team which is not named "Cornell?"  If this year were no different, then the favorite would be Notre Dame's best player.

I think we'll know more about Notre Dame's claim to be the best team after this Saturday (and the following Friday). To appease the woofing gods: we'll also know more about where Cornell stands after this Saturday and the month of May.

As was proven on April 12, a consensus #1 team in April is not necessarily the #1 team on Memorial Day.

As was proven a few years ago, a consensus #1 team in mid-May is not necessarily even the #1 seed three weeks before Memorial Day...::wank::

Quote from: BenCourtesy of cornellbigred.com:

QuoteBen DeLuca becomes the first Cornell coach to win an Ivy title in his first season since Richie Moran (1969) and the first to win the outright conference crown in his rookie season since Ned Harkness (1966)

That bodes very well.

Awwwwwwww...  That Harkness guy just did it with Bob Cullen's recruits...::nut::

Let me take another crack at what I was trying to get at with my observation about Quint Kessenich's statement about Pannell and the Tewaaraton. I tried humor and irony, but I should have known my limitations better.

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• Pannell is by far the consensus leader for the Tewaaraton.
• It's not at all clear that Notre Dame is the best team in the country
• It's not at all clear that Cornell is not the best team
  
• There's still a whole lot of lacrosse to be played between now and the NC game on May 30.

Today, ND is ranked #1 in the USILA Coaches Poll and the Nike Media Poll, #2 in the first "official" RPI, and #3 in Laxpower's  Tournament Selection Index (TSI), Quality Wins, and overall Computer Rating. Perhaps most important for my point: Notre Dame is #12 in Strength of Schedule (SOS).

Cornell, in contrast, is #1 in the Computer Rating, #2 in the media poll and TSI, #3 in the coaches poll and RPI, #4 in Quality Wins, and #9 in SOS.

To date, Notre Dame's best wins have been Duke (first game of season), Denver, and Villanova. But it has two signature games coming up: Syracuse this Saturday and UNC the following Friday.

Cornell's last loss was to UVa on 3/12. Its best wins are Syracuse, Penn, Stony Brook, and Yale. More importantly, Cornell had 3 players coming back from injuries on 3/12, and since then it has moved people around (especially Lau), apparently fixed some defensive problems at midfield, and given its young middies confidence playing "within the system." In short, Cornell is greatly improved over eight weeks ago.

In two weeks we'll have a much better idea of just how good Notre Dame is. But to my mind the main difference between past years is that in past years 1-2 teams really stood out, but this year perhaps half a dozen teams could go all the way to the NC without it being a major upset. Cornell has to be counted as one of these.

So I just don't think there's that much separating the #1 team (ND) from #2-#6 (CU, JHU, SU, Denver, and MD) to make such a big deal of the fact that Pannell doesn't play for the current #1. No doubt he benefits from the parity this year, but as a lacrosse power Cornell's not exactly chopped liver either.

I think Quint's point is that as a rule, no one speaks up to predict the Tewaaraton winner until at least mid-May.  There may be front runners throughout the season but generally the team has to advance pretty far for a player to win the award so nothing is sewed up this early.  That is how Pannell is different:  he is so far and away the best player in the country that his team could bow out early and he would still win.  Not that his team will bow out early or that his team is not final-four caliber but rather that it doesn't matter.

It feels very weird to be defending anything Quint says....

Quote from: SwampySo I just don't think there's that much separating the #1 team (ND) from #2-#6 (CU, JHU, SU, Denver, and MD) to make such a big deal of the fact that Pannell doesn't play for the current #1. No doubt he benefits from the parity this year, but as a lacrosse power Cornell's not exactly chopped liver either.

He's not making a big deal out of the fact that Pannell plays for a team that isn't currently #1 in the rankings, he's making a big deal out of the fact that Pannell practically (in Quint's mind, anyway) has the thing sewn up long before the NCAA tournament, and despite what might eventually happen in the NCAA tournament, in view of the fact that the Tewaaraton typically (seven times out of the ten that it has been awarded, more specifically) goes to the best player on the national champion.  That's what he's referring to by "best team", not the team that's currently #1 in the rankings.

Quote from: dag14I think Quint's point is that as a rule, no one speaks up to predict the Tewaaraton winner until at least mid-May.  There may be front runners throughout the season but generally the team has to advance pretty far for a player to win the award so nothing is sewed up this early.  That is how Pannell is different:  he is so far and away the best player in the country that his team could bow out early and he would still win.  Not that his team will bow out early or that his team is not final-four caliber but rather that it doesn't matter.

It feels very weird to be defending anything Quint says....

In annointing Pannell so early, Kessinich has staked out a winning position. Either he's the guy who cemented the idea in voters' minds and he's a king-maker, or he's a powerful third-party woofiing agent: the the Sports Illustrated Cover Jinx Lite (single sport only). It's like being short and long the same stock but with no financial downside.

Delaware upset Hofstra in the CAA semifinals.  That's their second loss to Delaware this season.  The Fighting Blue Hens will meet Massachusetts at Amherst in the CAA finals Saturday, meaning either Delaware or Massachusetts will get the CAA's automatic bid.  If Hofstra still gets an at large bid, this could significant hurt Penn's chances at an at large bid.

Quote from: Ronald '09Delaware upset Hofstra in the CAA semifinals.  That's their second loss to Delaware this season.  The Fighting Blue Hens will meet Massachusetts at Amherst in the CAA finals Saturday, meaning either Delaware or Massachusetts will get the CAA's automatic bid.  If Hofstra still gets an at large bid, this could significant hurt Penn's chances at an at large bid.

I doubt Hofstra makes it.  The committee has made it clear they value SOS and QW's.  Hofstra's "best" wins are over Colgate, Princeton, Penn State and UMass.  Penn has 2 wins (over Duke and Bucknell) more impressive than anything Hofstra's done.  They're going to be sweating it Sunday, and I don't think they've done enough to deserve a bid

Jeff Tambroni did a really good job at Penn State. The coaches at UHa and Siena did well, ditto Bucknell and Colgate. Nobody at Duke's been arrested the last couple years under Danowski. Wojcik really pulled up Harvard. And Bill Tierney at Denver is worth mentioning either for this or the all-round humanitarian award. Are we missing anyone?

Quote from: billhoward... Wojcik really pulled up Harvard ...

I think John Tillman should probably get some if not the majority of the credit for putting together a Harvard squad that can compete with most of DI.

Quote from: billhowardJeff Tambroni did a really good job at Penn State. The coaches at UHa and Siena did well, ditto Bucknell and Colgate. Nobody at Duke's been arrested the last couple years under Danowski. Wojcik really pulled up Harvard. And Bill Tierney at Denver is worth mentioning either for this or the all-round humanitarian award. Are we missing anyone?

The season's not over yet. Let's see how these teams play between now and Memorial Day.

Oh, I forgot. Some are already playing golf. ::innocent::

Well, this seemed like the over-arching lacrosse thread, so I figured it would be a good place to link this. (http://www.bigredlacrossefans.com/)

No offense to the organizers, but I kinda hope their forum (when available) doesn't really catch on... Out of personal convenience to me, let's just keep all the hockey and lacrosse chatter in one place, shall we?

:)

seems like you have to be a parent to logon, although maybe the forum wont be that way?

I am surprised they didnt come over here to plug the new site