I checked to see if it were April 1 but it really is June.
http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-princeton-coach-bill-tierney-is-headed-to-denver/
Wow
[quote DeltaOne81]Wow[/quote]
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[quote Al DeFlorio]I checked to see if it were April 1 but it really is June.
http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-princeton-coach-bill-tierney-is-headed-to-denver/[/quote]
?!?!?
I guess he got tired of losing to us, so he headed about as far from Ithaca (lax wise) as you can get :-D
[quote Chris '03][quote Al DeFlorio]I checked to see if it were April 1 but it really is June.
http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-princeton-coach-bill-tierney-is-headed-to-denver/[/quote]
?!?!?[/quote]
Struck me at first like an April Fool's headline in the Daily Sun. Then I realized it wasn't April 1. Capisce?
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Chris '03][quote Al DeFlorio]I checked to see if it were April 1 but it really is June.
http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-princeton-coach-bill-tierney-is-headed-to-denver/[/quote]
?!?!?[/quote]
Struck me at first like an April Fool's headline in the Daily Sun. Then I realized it wasn't April 1. Capisce?[/quote]
I think Chris was just expressing shock and confusion wordlessly.
[quote RichH][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Chris '03][quote Al DeFlorio]I checked to see if it were April 1 but it really is June.
http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-princeton-coach-bill-tierney-is-headed-to-denver/[/quote]
?!?!?[/quote]
Struck me at first like an April Fool's headline in the Daily Sun. Then I realized it wasn't April 1. Capisce?[/quote]
I think Chris was just expressing shock and confusion wordlessly.[/quote]
Got it. My reaction as well. Never woulda thunk it.
General feeling is Tierney's assistant (Metzbower?) will get the Princeton job. Wonder if he's a screamer, too.
Tierney interview here on Inside Lacrosse: http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-exclusive-interview-with-new-denver-lacrosse-coach-bill-tierney/
One of the comments speculates that the move was to set up Tierney's son Trevor, who will be his assistant coach, for the Denver head coaching job when Tierney retires.
[quote RichH][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Chris '03][quote Al DeFlorio]I checked to see if it were April 1 but it really is June.
http://blogs.insidelacrosse.com/2009/06/08/breaking-princeton-coach-bill-tierney-is-headed-to-denver/[/quote]
?!?!?[/quote]
Struck me at first like an April Fool's headline in the Daily Sun. Then I realized it wasn't April 1. Capisce?[/quote]
I think Chris was just expressing shock and confusion wordlessly.[/quote]
That's about it. My initial reaction was "April Fools?" but Al already took that one so I was left with just wordless shock and confusion.
My big fear is that the program will slip and it will be even harder for Cornell to post a solid SOS. Other than that, I'm not upset that it just got easier for Cornell to get the AQ.
[quote ugarte]My big fear is that the program will slip and it will be even harder for Cornell to post a solid SOS. Other than that, I'm not upset that it just got easier for Cornell to get the AQ.[/quote]
At least in the short term, Brown and Harvard are on the rise and PU is well stocked with talent.
Of course, regardless of PU's fortune, it already got harder to get the AQ with the Ivy playoff coming into play next year. A weakened conference with two additional games is not what the league had in mind...
[quote Chris '03][quote ugarte]My big fear is that the program will slip and it will be even harder for Cornell to post a solid SOS. Other than that, I'm not upset that it just got easier for Cornell to get the AQ.[/quote]
At least in the short term, Brown and Harvard are on the rise and PU is well stocked with talent.
Of course, regardless of PU's fortune, it already got harder to get the AQ with the Ivy playoff coming into play next year. A weakened conference with two additional games is not what the league had in mind...[/quote]
I thought the playoff was just for shits and giggles. Doesn't the regular season winner still get the AQ?
[quote ugarte][quote Chris '03][quote ugarte]My big fear is that the program will slip and it will be even harder for Cornell to post a solid SOS. Other than that, I'm not upset that it just got easier for Cornell to get the AQ.[/quote]
At least in the short term, Brown and Harvard are on the rise and PU is well stocked with talent.
Of course, regardless of PU's fortune, it already got harder to get the AQ with the Ivy playoff coming into play next year. A weakened conference with two additional games is not what the league had in mind...[/quote]
I thought the playoff was just for shits and giggles. Doesn't the regular season winner still get the AQ?[/quote]
Regular season= Ivy Champ
Playoff= AQ
Tierney leaves Princeton for Denver
Ithaca Journal article: (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090609/SPORTS03/906090327/1128/Sports/Tierney+leaves+Princeton+for+Denver)
Tierney will probably be replaced by Metzblower, but Princeton's rise to dynasty status had more than a little to do with getting so many Blue Chips, especially out of the MIAA. Will that pipeline stay open? It's even possible some current recruits or players would transfer. Probably unlikely Princeton to Denver, but how about to Harvard, or um....us?
[quote TimV]Tierney will probably be replaced by Metzblower, but Princeton's rise to dynasty status had more than a little to do with getting so many Blue Chips, especially out of the MIAA. Will that pipeline stay open? It's even possible some current recruits or players would transfer. Probably unlikely Princeton to Denver, but how about to Harvard, or um....us?[/quote]
so we all know the transfer rules for an active D1 player ... but how do these rules apply to kids who has only committed to a school but have yet to enroll and/or dress? do they have to be released (by in this case P'ton) or are they free to go?
[quote TimV]It's even possible some current recruits or players would transfer. Probably unlikely Princeton to Denver, but how about to Harvard, or um....us?[/quote]
They'd have to convert The Chapter House into an Eating Club.::whistle::
[quote ben03][quote TimV]Tierney will probably be replaced by Metzblower, but Princeton's rise to dynasty status had more than a little to do with getting so many Blue Chips, especially out of the MIAA. Will that pipeline stay open? It's even possible some current recruits or players would transfer. Probably unlikely Princeton to Denver, but how about to Harvard, or um....us?[/quote]
so we all know the transfer rules for an active D1 player ... but how do these rules apply to kids who has only committed to a school but have yet to enroll and/or dress? do they have to be released (by in this case P'ton) or are they free to go?[/quote]I think (but don't have a source to back it up) incoming recruits are free to go in this situation. At this point they've never practiced with the team or even enrolled at the school.
[quote Josh '99][quote ben03][quote TimV]Tierney will probably be replaced by Metzblower, but Princeton's rise to dynasty status had more than a little to do with getting so many Blue Chips, especially out of the MIAA. Will that pipeline stay open? It's even possible some current recruits or players would transfer. Probably unlikely Princeton to Denver, but how about to Harvard, or um....us?[/quote]
so we all know the transfer rules for an active D1 player ... but how do these rules apply to kids who has only committed to a school but have yet to enroll and/or dress? do they have to be released (by in this case P'ton) or are they free to go?[/quote]I think (but don't have a source to back it up) incoming recruits are free to go in this situation. At this point they've never practiced with the team or even enrolled at the school.[/quote]
yeah that was my thought as well but i had nothing to back it up either.
This is truly shocking, although I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. If Tierney wanted, no doubt he could have hired his son as an assistant at Princeton. Denver is an attractive place, but DU doesn't have the potential of, say, a California or Texas school. It will be interesting to see what he can accomplish.
Did anyone else notice this in the IJ article?
QuoteThe Pioneers are switching leagues in 2010, joining the ECAC.
[quote KenP]Did anyone else notice this in the IJ article?
QuoteThe Pioneers are switching leagues in 2010, joining the ECAC.
[/quote]
Along with 4 other teams (http://www.ecacsports.com/lacrosse/2008/news/New_League_2010). That doesn't really affect us much; we aren't in the ECAC in lacrosse.
[quote Swampy]This is truly shocking, although I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. If Tierney wanted, no doubt he could have hired his son as an assistant at Princeton.[/quote]True, but as the original article points out, Tierney has other family members out west - another son living in Portland, a daughter coaching at Berkeley, his mother living in Arizona. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that he might be moving to be closer to them as well. Also, guessing based on Bill's age, Trevor might have kids in school in Colorado, making a move to NJ to coach together a less appealing option.
[quote Josh '99][quote Swampy]This is truly shocking, although I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. If Tierney wanted, no doubt he could have hired his son as an assistant at Princeton.[/quote]True, but as the original article points out, Tierney has other family members out west - another son living in Portland, a daughter coaching at Berkeley, his mother living in Arizona. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that he might be moving to be closer to them as well. Also, guessing based on Bill's age, Trevor might have kids in school in Colorado, making a move to NJ to coach together a less appealing option.[/quote]
It also may have been harder for Tierney to negotiate his son a position as heir apparent at Princeton not to mention the real knife in the back it would have been to a long time assistant in line for the promotion. If his top assistant is expected to get the job, that is probably an outcome that Tierney favors as well.
I love that the Eastern College Athletic Conference now includes 2 teams from Colorado, one from Ohio, and one from Kentucky.
Hey- Will some of these want to join the ECAC for a little....HOCKEY???::dribble::
QuoteThey'd have to convert The Chapter House into an Eating Club.
No thank you.
[quote Swampy]If Tierney wanted, no doubt he could have hired his son as an assistant at Princeton.[/quote]
But, with longtime Tierney assistant Metzbower at Princeton, succession would have been a more complex issue.
[quote ben03]so we all know the transfer rules for an active D1 player ... but how do these rules apply to kids who has only committed to a school but have yet to enroll and/or dress? do they have to be released (by in this case P'ton) or are they free to go?[/quote]
Do you? ;)
In lacrosse, as long as both coaches agree, transfers don't have to sit out at all. I guess that decision would fall to whomever replaces Tierney. They could be a dick about it and make them sit out a year, but I would think given the circumstances, even a current player would be allowed to transfer and play, especially if they go to a different league. If they wanted to transfer to another Ivy, the coach might be more reluctant to give the new team an immediate advantage that could come back to bite Princeton, but it seems to be rare that they force the sit-out.
[quote CowbellGuy][quote ben03]so we all know the transfer rules for an active D1 player ... but how do these rules apply to kids who has only committed to a school but have yet to enroll and/or dress? do they have to be released (by in this case P'ton) or are they free to go?[/quote]
Do you? ;)
In lacrosse, as long as both coaches agree, transfers don't have to sit out at all. I guess that decision would fall to whomever replaces Tierney. They could be a dick about it and make them sit out a year, but I would think given the circumstances, even a current player would be allowed to transfer and play, especially if they go to a different league. If they wanted to transfer to another Ivy, the coach might be more reluctant to give the new team an immediate advantage that could come back to bite Princeton, but it seems to be rare that they force the sit-out.[/quote]
Thanks for this. I was pretty sure that the draconian transfer rules only applied to the "big" sports but was too lazy to do the research and have been asking too many questions that would force other people to do it for me lately.
To my understanding, it's the other way around, in that only lacrosse has this exception, but I'm too lazy to find out if that's true. ;)
Quote from: John Morris, Senior Associate Athletic Director - Compliance, University of WashingtonTransfer Rule: In most cases, a student-athlete who transfers from one NCAA institution to another is permitted to practice and receive athletics aid immediately at the second institution. As a general rule, the transfer student is required to serve an "academic year-in-residence" at the second institution prior to competing. However, several exceptions to the transfer rule exist that enable a student-athlete to be immediately eligible for competition at the second institution.
The most commonly used exception is known as the "one-time transfer exception." As the name suggests, this exception allows a student-athlete to transfer from one NCAA institution to another on one occasion and be immediately eligible for competition. Certain conditions must be met to use this exception, including: (1) the student-athlete must have been in good academic standing and academically eligible for competition at the previous institution; (2) the previous institution must grant the student-athlete written permission to use of the exception; and (3) the student-athlete cannot have transferred previously from a four-year institution. [Note: In Division I, the one-time transfer exception is not available if the student-athlete wishes to participate in basketball, men's ice hockey or Division I-A football at the second institution.]
Source:pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/wash/genrel/auto_pdf/4-4-Transfer-Rules-06.pdf); Date Unknown.
As of last year, the exemption is no longer available for baseball either.
NCAA transfer guide pdf (http://www.drexeldragons.com/Pdfs/gen/2007/11/2/2007-08_transfer_guide.pdf)
I should have just done the research myself in the first place.
i'm gonna go with ::wtf::
thanks for clearing that one up ...
[quote TimV]I love that the Eastern College Athletic Conference now includes 2 teams from Colorado, one from Ohio, and one from Kentucky.[/quote]
No worse than the ECHL with its teams frmo Alaska, California and Idaho.
[quote KeithK][quote TimV]I love that the Eastern College Athletic Conference now includes 2 teams from Colorado, one from Ohio, and one from Kentucky.[/quote]
No worse than the ECHL with its teams frmo Alaska, California and Idaho.[/quote]
The Atlanta Braves used to be in the NL West.
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote KeithK][quote TimV]I love that the Eastern College Athletic Conference now includes 2 teams from Colorado, one from Ohio, and one from Kentucky.[/quote]
No worse than the ECHL with its teams frmo Alaska, California and Idaho.[/quote]
The Atlanta Braves used to be in the NL West.[/quote]
And the Falcons in the NFC West and the Cardinals in the NFC East. We could go on and on.
[quote mnagowski]
QuoteThey'd have to convert The Chapter House into an Eating Club.
No thank you.[/quote]
The Chapter House would be a whole lot better with *some* food that isn't nasty popcorn. Well, to be fair, it's slightly less nasty than the popcorn at Dunbar's.
[quote Josh '99][quote Swampy]This is truly shocking, although I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. If Tierney wanted, no doubt he could have hired his son as an assistant at Princeton.[/quote]True, but as the original article points out, Tierney has other family members out west - another son living in Portland, a daughter coaching at Berkeley, his mother living in Arizona. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that he might be moving to be closer to them as well. Also, guessing based on Bill's age, Trevor might have kids in school in Colorado, making a move to NJ to coach together a less appealing option.[/quote]
True, and maybe if he plans on driving to see them -- or vice versa -- being in Colorado is a big advantage. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure if he were to drive from Princeton to Kennedy he'd be able to get non-stops to SFO or Oakland, Portland, or Phoenix, whereas from Denver he might have to change planes. I'm not sure exactly how big an advantage Colorado is if he's flying. The West is much bigger than the East.
[quote Kyle Rose]The Chapter House would be a whole lot better with *some* food that isn't nasty popcorn. Well, to be fair, it's slightly less nasty than the popcorn at Dunbar's.[/quote]
Clearly Pep is waiting to clean the popcorn machine until we win another national championship.
[quote KeithK][quote TimV]I love that the Eastern College Athletic Conference now includes 2 teams from Colorado, one from Ohio, and one from Kentucky.[/quote]
No worse than the ECHL with its teams frmo Alaska, California and Idaho.[/quote]
At least since the merger the E doesn't stand for East anymore. It just stands for... E.
[quote Swampy][quote Josh '99][quote Swampy]This is truly shocking, although I suspect there's more to this than meets the eye. If Tierney wanted, no doubt he could have hired his son as an assistant at Princeton.[/quote]True, but as the original article points out, Tierney has other family members out west - another son living in Portland, a daughter coaching at Berkeley, his mother living in Arizona. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that he might be moving to be closer to them as well. Also, guessing based on Bill's age, Trevor might have kids in school in Colorado, making a move to NJ to coach together a less appealing option.[/quote]
True, and maybe if he plans on driving to see them -- or vice versa -- being in Colorado is a big advantage. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure if he were to drive from Princeton to Kennedy he'd be able to get non-stops to SFO or Oakland, Portland, or Phoenix, whereas from Denver he might have to change planes. I'm not sure exactly how big an advantage Colorado is if he's flying. The West is much bigger than the East.[/quote]
Denver is a United hub. Getting a non-stop to there from NYC should be easy.
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]Denver is a United hub. Getting a non-stop to there from NYC should be easy.[/quote]
I wouldn't call anything involving United easy. At least not if you value things such as luggage and getting to your destination.
[quote CowbellGuy][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]Denver is a United hub. Getting a non-stop to there from NYC should be easy.[/quote]
I wouldn't call anything involving United easy. At least not if you value things such as luggage and getting to your destination.[/quote]
I didn't say getting there was easy. I said getting a non-stop was easy. ::wtf::
[quote Chris '03][quote KeithK][quote TimV]I love that the Eastern College Athletic Conference now includes 2 teams from Colorado, one from Ohio, and one from Kentucky.[/quote]
No worse than the ECHL with its teams frmo Alaska, California and Idaho.[/quote]
At least since the merger the E doesn't stand for East anymore. It just stands for... E.[/quote]ECHL: The Harry S Truman of minor league hockey.
[quote jtwcornell91][quote Kyle Rose]The Chapter House would be a whole lot better with *some* food that isn't nasty popcorn. Well, to be fair, it's slightly less nasty than the popcorn at Dunbar's.[/quote]
Clearly Pep is waiting to clean the popcorn machine until we win another national championship.[/quote]You're implying that the popcorn machine in Dunbar's needs to be cleaned. I'm not sure I like your tone. :-}
Or maybe the appropriate smiley was: ::popcorn::
[quote TimV]Hey- Will some of these want to join the ECAC for a little....HOCKEY???::dribble::[/quote]I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Denver isn't jumping ship from the WCHA to come play in the ECAC.
[quote Josh '99][quote TimV]Hey- Will some of these want to join the ECAC for a little....HOCKEY???::dribble::[/quote]I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Denver isn't jumping ship from the WCHA to come play in the ECAC.[/quote]
That would totally ruin the travel-partner relationship, but again...IF UNION WERE TO BE KICKED THE HELL BACK TO D3...RPI could partner with Colgate, and Cornell would be happy to pair with Denver, being the two most western schools in the league. I'd bet Cornell's Saturday home winning percentage would be terrific.
[quote Kyle Rose][quote mnagowski]
QuoteThey'd have to convert The Chapter House into an Eating Club.
No thank you.[/quote]
The Chapter House would be a whole lot better with *some* food that isn't nasty popcorn. Well, to be fair, it's slightly less nasty than the popcorn at Dunbar's.[/quote]
Frankly, as far as bar popcorn goes, Chapter House has pretty great (and to me, addictive) popcorn. Anecdote: Remember this year when Princeton (the hockey team) thought it would be smart to stay in Hamilton Friday night and then their bus broke down Saturday and we all got to pick our butts for 2 hours while waiting for them to show up? Even though their band had a perfectly good bus and their band had no problem making it to Lynah by 7 pm? Aaaaanyway...a couple of us heard about the delay and went to Chapter House instead and there was a dude there who told us that he was the guy who provided the bar with their popcorn. So locally produced and all.
Now there was something about Tierney in this thread, what?
here's a LaxPower podcast discussing the Tierney move out west to DU:
http://www.laxpower.com/media/media.php?story=907
enjoy!
Jeez- they were saying so many nice things about him I thought he was dead and I was at the funeral.
The West will rise. Eventually the lacrosse top teams will include Stanford and USC and Washington. Tierney's move to Denver accelerates (jump starts?) the trend from club lacrosse, fooling around lacrosse out West to something way more serious. Denver and Air Force play serious lacrosse but not many other teams. This is great for lacrosse, not so great for Cornell being competitive. Just as in hockey as the sport spreads.
If Metzbower takes over at Princeton, is it possible the Tigers do BETTER under him? Tierney built the Princeton dynasty but others can carry it on.
Assuming the rumors were true about who was being courted - Mike Pressler of Bryant / ex-Duke, Richie Meade at Navy, Jim Nagle at Colgate - you wonder why Denver didn't go after Jeff Tambroni. Let's hope it's because Tambroni is happy in Ithaca no matter who comes calling.
[quote billhoward]Assuming the rumors were true about who was being courted - Mike Pressler of Bryant / ex-Duke, Richie Meade at Navy, Jim Nagle at Colgate - you wonder why Denver didn't go after Jeff Tambroni. Let's hope it's because Tambroni is happy in Ithaca no matter who comes calling.[/quote]
In light of the reasons given for the move, I wouldn't have been surprised if Tierney contacted Denver when he heard about their coaching search. I think cold-calling Tierney and asking "So, how happy are you at Princeton?" would take guts.