So no posts yet about Riley signing a three year deal with Edmonton today. I'm shocked.
[quote KeithK]So no posts yet about Riley signing a three year deal with Edmonton today. I'm shocked.[/quote]
With a $10.1 M / year deal, exceeding Alex Ovechkin. I've heard he'll donate back to the hockey program and so they'll offer free internet broadcasts next year.
[quote JDeafv]With a $10.1 M / year deal, exceeding Alex Ovechkin. I've heard he'll donate back to the hockey program and so they'll offer free internet broadcasts next year.[/quote]
I think you need to maintain a modicum of believability in April Fools jokes. Come on, free internet broadcasts?
[quote CowbellGuy][quote JDeafv]With a $10.1 M / year deal, exceeding Alex Ovechkin. I've heard he'll donate back to the hockey program and so they'll offer free internet broadcasts next year.[/quote]
I think you need to maintain a modicum of believability in April Fools jokes. Come on, free internet broadcasts?[/quote]
I'd be happy if they'd just start the damn things on time.::bang::
[quote JDeafv][quote KeithK]So no posts yet about Riley signing a three year deal with Edmonton today. I'm shocked.[/quote]
With a $10.1 M / year deal, exceeding Alex Ovechkin. I've heard he'll donate back to the hockey program and so they'll offer free internet broadcasts next year.[/quote]
In HD!
I was more commenting on the lack of April Fool's jokes rather than making one. A meta-April Fool's joke maybe.
Plus, this way I get an April Alumni thread going without having to actually find some, you know, news about Alumni.
Article on Nieuwendyk's work in Toronto (http://www.thestar.com/Hockey/NHL/article/614003)
[quote Jim Hyla]Article on Nieuwendyk's work in Toronto (http://www.thestar.com/Hockey/NHL/article/614003)[/quote]
[quote TheStar]The learning process ideally begins with scouting missions, but Nieuwendyk must also personally handle assignments like scouting and signing the annual college crop[/quote]
[quote Burke]"I hope this is the last year we're a destination for the college player," Burke said. "Tyler's being polite and he's here because of the opportunity. But I'm not (being polite) – we hope we're not the destination of choice for college players."[/quote]
So (part of) Joe's job is to recruit college players to a team that doesn't want them? Sounds like a losing proposition to me. Ugh.
[quote Robb]
[quote Burke]"I hope this is the last year we're a destination for the college player," Burke said. "Tyler's being polite and he's here because of the opportunity. But I'm not (being polite) – we hope we're not the destination of choice for college players."[/quote]
So (part of) Joe's job is to recruit college players to a team that doesn't want them? Sounds like a losing proposition to me. Ugh.[/quote]
Brian Burke played college hockey, and he has a lot of respect for the college game. His quip meant was that I hopes that in the future college free agents won't sign with the Maple Leafs because ice time will not be available. Good NHL teams tend to have a tougher time signing the most-sought-after NCAA free agents because their organizational depth provide fewer opportunities for advancement. That's why Toronto, but not San Jose, is believed to be on Matt Gilroy's short list.
Iggy called back up a day or two ago. Haven't seen that he's been sent down since.
The Canadians D got hit by the injury bug, thus Ryan O'Byrne got to play. Unfortunately, he spent 1/10th of the game in the sin bin (http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2008021182). Not the best way to lobby for PT in the playoffs.
With 2 of 3 top D out injured; O'Byrne will play more this last week! Good luck - Ryan.
O'Byrne also got a shout-out on the NHL's "top goals of the season (http://bit.ly/Bmn4)" video... though it wasn't the kind of shout-out you'd want.
[quote Al DeFlorio]Iggy called back up a day or two ago. Haven't seen that he's been sent down since.[/quote]
Word is that it's for the duration - not that that's very long.
[quote ftyuv]O'Byrne also got a shout-out on the NHL's "top goals of the season (http://bit.ly/Bmn4)" video... though it wasn't the kind of shout-out you'd want.[/quote]
No worries, Ovechkin will (or at least should) win.
Mike Kennedy has signed an ATO with the Albany River Rats and has played in his first game:
http://stats.theahl.com/stats/player.php?id=3155
http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2009/04/08/sports/doc49dd7aa8275a3475502341.txt
[quote pfibiger]Mike Kennedy has signed an ATO with the Albany River Rats and has played in his first game:
[/quote]
After his junior season at Cornell?
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote pfibiger]Mike Kennedy has signed an ATO with the Albany River Rats and has played in his first game:
[/quote]
After his junior season at Cornell?[/quote]What makes you think he's a junior? ::nut::
Edit: Ah, that came from the article; I misunderstood, Al. I was going to say, "Time flies." ;-)
[quote Kyle Rose][quote Al DeFlorio][quote pfibiger]Mike Kennedy has signed an ATO with the Albany River Rats and has played in his first game:
[/quote]
After his junior season at Cornell?[/quote]What makes you think he's a junior? ::nut::
Edit: Ah, that came from the article; I misunderstood, Al. I was going to say, "Time flies." ;-)[/quote]
Yes, it does. His game-winner against Harvard as a sophomore (I think that's the right year.) is still fresh in my memory.
If you think "time flies" now, Kyle, wait till you're 65?::worry::
April 9: Boston vs. Montreal means Bitz vs. O'Byrne in what's looking like WWE on Ice. Cornell alumni have 16 PIM before halftime. (Most of that is Ryan O'Byrne's double minor and game misconduct for bumping Shawn Thornton during a stoppage, after which he was beaten down by Thornton.) NESN commentator is saying nice things about Byron Bitz and calling Ryan O'Byrne a dirty goon (no argument here) almost in the same sentence - I'm still waiting for him to make the connection.
[quote madAgaskar07]April 9: Boston vs. Montreal means Bitz vs. O'Byrne in what's looking like WWE on Ice. Cornell alumni have 16 PIM before halftime. (Most of that is Ryan O'Byrne's double minor and game misconduct for bumping Shawn Thornton during a stoppage, after which he was beaten down by Thornton.) NESN commentator is saying nice things about Byron Bitz and calling Ryan O'Byrne a dirty goon (no argument here) almost in the same sentence - I'm still waiting for him to make the connection.[/quote]
Does NESN even know that there are college hockey teams west of Hamden?::smashfreak::
Pretty poor form from O'Byrne again in a Bruins/Habs matchup. Last time he went head hunting on Chuck Kobasew during the final seconds of a Boston win, now he's throwing his shoulder into guys during timeouts and then turtling when they try to get in his face about it.
Wait what am I saying, he fits in perfectly with the rest of the Canadiens. ::wank::
Awesome. Took someone less than an hour to find the new smiley.
[quote CowbellGuy]Awesome. Took someone less than an hour to find the new smiley.[/quote]
I am a fan, and it fit perfectly for the emotions I was trying to convey. :-D
::cheer:: ::cheer::
Cheerleaders for a hockey discussion board? ::wtf::
[quote Rita]::cheer:: ::cheer::
Cheerleaders for a hockey discussion board? ::wtf::[/quote]
Hmm, I don't know. ::cheer:: was about all O'Byrne was doing during the second period last night thanks to his roughing and misconduct.
It was a great hockey game too. Plenty of good ol fashioned dislike and 9 goals. Bitz got a couple looks at the net, but his play of the game was a green light check on one of MTL's defenders who was having a little trouble with the puck between his skates behind the net.
[quote oceanst41][quote Rita]::cheer:: ::cheer::
Cheerleaders for a hockey discussion board? ::wtf::[/quote]
Hmm, I don't know. ::cheer:: was about all O'Byrne was doing during the second period last night thanks to his roughing and misconduct.
It was a great hockey game too. Plenty of good ol fashioned dislike and 9 goals. Bitz got a couple looks at the net, but his play of the game was a green light check on one of MTL's defenders who was having a little trouble with the puck between his skates behind the net.[/quote]
Well, he should have been feeling shame! (I can't find an appropriate emoticon for that) And if these stupid trips to the sin bin continue, these will be quite appropriate:
::twak::, ::smashfreak::
and his teammates will be saying: ::stupid::
[quote Rita]::cheer:: ::cheer::
Cheerleaders for a hockey discussion board? ::wtf::[/quote]
(https://admin.xosn.com/pics/800/BW/BWLQDZCYTDMRXOS.20080909154955.jpg?SPSID=60671&SPID=3463&DB_OEM_ID=8400)
On Brahmas website (http://www.brahmas.com/news/articles/index.html?article_id=1115) today.
Iggy not in the lineup for yesterday's Flyers-Isles game.
Bitz earned Cornell a shout-out for his effort today. But it's a game that didn't matter so much that most of the local venues didn't even play it. NESN and, I hear, NESN+ both ignored it. He's played on the PK.
[quote ftyuv]Bitz earned Cornell a shout-out for his effort today. But it's a game that didn't matter so much that most of the local venues didn't even play it. NESN and, I hear, NESN+ both ignored it. He's played on the PK.[/quote]
NESN plays all Bruins games on NESN+ channels when there is a conflict with the Sox. The Sox broadcast even listed the channel numbers for all of the different cable and dish companies throughout the baseball game. Their advertising also tells fans not to worry about missing any games due to conflicts this time of year.
Bitz was playing on the 4 vs. 4 towards the end of the game.
[quote cth95][quote ftyuv]Bitz earned Cornell a shout-out for his effort today. But it's a game that didn't matter so much that most of the local venues didn't even play it. NESN and, I hear, NESN+ both ignored it. He's played on the PK.[/quote]
NESN plays all Bruins games on NESN+ channels when there is a conflict with the Sox. The Sox broadcast even listed the channel numbers for all of the different cable and dish companies throughout the baseball game. Their advertising also tells fans not to worry about missing any games due to conflicts this time of year.
Bitz was playing on the 4 vs. 4 towards the end of the game.[/quote]
I don't get NESN+ that I know of, but several people on the boston.com blog said their NESN+ channels weren't working for whatever reason.
Michael Kennedy scored his first professional goal for Albany in their 3-2 win over Binghamton on Sunday, which also marked Albany's last game of the season.
Mike also earned himself his first professional fighting major and a game misconduct during a brawl that broke out towards the end.
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote pfibiger]Mike Kennedy has signed an ATO with the Albany River Rats and has played in his first game:
[/quote]
After his junior season at Cornell?[/quote]
This is The Record. When my son was a senior in high school he was an "intern" for all of two days before he got his own byline. We used to receive raves when he was on staff. The near bankrupt Journal Register Company is really near death as far as any independant observer can conclude.
Darren Eliot will be broadcasting (edit: for Versus) tonight's Boston/Montreal game two, sadly Bitz will be a healthy scratch.
Well Lucic was handed out a match penalty near the end of the Bruins' game two. Per league rules, that's a suspension pending review. That would mean Bitz would likely get the call in game three in Montreal, especially now that Hunwick had his spleen removed yesterday.
Now I don't feel the suspension should hold up after review. Lucic himself had just been elbowed/high sticked and was reacting to Lapierre coming at him. He hit him with his top hand glove, but the stick was up. However in their infinite wisdom, I think the NHL will use this to set an example in this series, despite what they've allowed Montreal to get away with already.
My guess would be Wheeler joins Krejci and Ryder and Bitz steps in to reunite with Thornton and Yelle - a pretty dominating 4th line for a large part of the season.
Bitz is indeed penciled in the B's line-up (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=419078) for Monday night's game. Shuffling of the lines appears to be as oceanst41 predicted.
[quote Rita]Bitz is indeed penciled in the B's line-up (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=419078) for Monday night's game. Shuffling of the lines appears to be as oceanst41 predicted.[/quote]
More from the Boston Globe's Bruins blog.
Bruins blog (http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/)
Quote from: Claude Julien"He's a big guy who's been strong along the walls," Claude Julien said of Bitz this morning. "He's very reliable. Probably one of our most reliable along the wall in our own end at getting pucks out or protecting it. He's had some scoring opportunities. He's a young guy that we see a bright future in. Right now, it's a little bit of experience that he might get a chance to get, depending on what happens [with Lucic]. He's a guy that once we called him up, he never went back, because he's another one of those guys that'd said, 'I think I belong here and I'm going to show you guys.' He forced our hand."
The Lucic suspension could be a blessing in disguise. He's the loose cannon of the team, and I'm betting that with Montreal behind 0-2 and finally playing one at home, emotions are going to be high. I could see that game ending up with Lucic with a broken hand again.
[quote ftyuv]The Lucic suspension could be a blessing in disguise. He's the loose cannon of the team, and I'm betting that with Montreal behind 0-2 and finally playing one at home, emotions are going to be high. I could see that game ending up with Lucic with a broken hand again.[/quote]
I agree, and of course we get to see Bitz in the lineup. ::rock::
I am hoping upon hope that he finds the back of the net tonight. It worked for Sheriff Shane Hnidy when he replaced Hunwick, let's get Bitz his cookie too!
[quote oceanst41][quote ftyuv]The Lucic suspension could be a blessing in disguise. He's the loose cannon of the team, and I'm betting that with Montreal behind 0-2 and finally playing one at home, emotions are going to be high. I could see that game ending up with Lucic with a broken hand again.[/quote]
I agree, and of course we get to see Bitz in the lineup. ::rock::
I am hoping upon hope that he finds the back of the net tonight. It worked for Sheriff Shane Hnidy when he replaced Hunwick, let's get Bitz his cookie too![/quote]
::rock:: is right! ::rock::::rock::::rock::
[quote oceanst41][quote ftyuv]The Lucic suspension could be a blessing in disguise. He's the loose cannon of the team, and I'm betting that with Montreal behind 0-2 and finally playing one at home, emotions are going to be high. I could see that game ending up with Lucic with a broken hand again.[/quote]
I agree, and of course we get to see Bitz in the lineup. ::rock::
I am hoping upon hope that he finds the back of the net tonight. It worked for Sheriff Shane Hnidy when he replaced Hunwick, let's get Bitz his cookie too![/quote]
Bitz got a little bit over a minute of time on Bob McKenzie's segment on NHL Live (NHL Network, 12-2) at around 12:25. If anyone is interested, they repeat it from 5-7. McKenzie mentioned Cornell and had some nice things to say.
[quote Ronald '09][quote oceanst41][quote ftyuv]The Lucic suspension could be a blessing in disguise. He's the loose cannon of the team, and I'm betting that with Montreal behind 0-2 and finally playing one at home, emotions are going to be high. I could see that game ending up with Lucic with a broken hand again.[/quote]
I agree, and of course we get to see Bitz in the lineup. ::rock::
I am hoping upon hope that he finds the back of the net tonight. It worked for Sheriff Shane Hnidy when he replaced Hunwick, let's get Bitz his cookie too![/quote]
Bitz got a little bit over a minute of time on Bob McKenzie's segment on NHL Live (NHL Network, 12-2) at around 12:25. If anyone is interested, they repeat it from 5-7. McKenzie mentioned Cornell and had some nice things to say.[/quote]For those who aren't aware, McKenzie has a son who plays for SLU(t), occasionally posts on USCHO, and generally has a lot of good things to say about NCAA hockey.
[quote Ronald '09][quote oceanst41][quote ftyuv]The Lucic suspension could be a blessing in disguise. He's the loose cannon of the team, and I'm betting that with Montreal behind 0-2 and finally playing one at home, emotions are going to be high. I could see that game ending up with Lucic with a broken hand again.[/quote]
I agree, and of course we get to see Bitz in the lineup. ::rock::
I am hoping upon hope that he finds the back of the net tonight. It worked for Sheriff Shane Hnidy when he replaced Hunwick, let's get Bitz his cookie too![/quote]
Bitz got a little bit over a minute of time on Bob McKenzie's segment on NHL Live (NHL Network, 12-2) at around 12:25. If anyone is interested, they repeat it from 5-7. McKenzie mentioned Cornell and had some nice things to say.[/quote]
Seems like O'B is playing for Montreal. When was the last time there were two alums in a Stanley Cup game?
Not watching the game, but noticed on the boxscore that Bitz scored an assist in the second period on Thorton's goal.
[quote CUontheslopes]Not watching the game, but noticed on the boxscore that Bitz scored an assist in the second period on Thorton's goal.[/quote]
And it was some nice work by Byron that set up the goal: he fought for the puck along the boards, dug it out, and slid it to Thornton who was wide open in the slot.
[quote sah67][quote CUontheslopes]Not watching the game, but noticed on the boxscore that Bitz scored an assist in the second period on Thorton's goal.[/quote]
And it was some nice work by Byron that set up the goal: he fought for the puck along the boards, dug it out, and slid it to Thornton who was wide open in the slot.[/quote]
And then got to talk about it in the between-periods NESN interview.
Bruins win 4-2, and Bitz's 4th line came up big for the Bs, getting rewarded with lots of ice time for their efforts. Byron ended up with 13:02 of even-strength playing time, which was more than what several of the big guns (Kessel, Bergeron, Ryder, Kobasew) got.
I hope Bitz's performance tonight will be enough to keep him in the line-up for game 4. Great effort, gets a point and I thought that tripping call was a bit cheesy (looked to me like he touched the puck before the stick touched the Canadian's skate).
[quote Rita]I thought that tripping call was a bit cheesy (looked to me like he touched the puck before the stick touched the Canadian's skate).[/quote]
Is that still the rule? Maybe it was a college game where the announcers said that it no longer mattered whether you got to the puck first - a trip is a trip. Personally I like the "puck first and you're clear" rule but...
[quote KeithK][quote Rita]I thought that tripping call was a bit cheesy (looked to me like he touched the puck before the stick touched the Canadian's skate).[/quote]
Is that still the rule? Maybe it was a college game where the announcers said that it no longer mattered whether you got to the puck first - a trip is a trip. Personally I like the "puck first and you're clear" rule but...[/quote]
The rule in the NHL is different from the one in the NCAA. In the NHL, there shouldn't be a penalty if the player gets the puck before the player on his sweep check. In the NCAA, it's immaterial whether the defending player touched the puck.
[quote cbuckser]
The rule in the NHL is different from the one in the NCAA. In the NHL, there shouldn't be a penalty if the player gets the puck before the player on his sweep check. In the NCAA, it's immaterial whether the defending player touched the puck.[/quote]
Ah, that explains it. I turned into some of the Rangers game last night, and Ovechkin made a spectacular defensive play at one point to knock the puck away from a Ranger with a breakaway.
No penalty was called and we had that very discussion. I couldn't remember if the rule was changed or if it was an NCAA/NHL difference. Thanks for the clarification :)
[quote Rita]I hope Bitz's performance tonight will be enough to keep him in the line-up for game 4. Great effort, gets a point and I thought that tripping call was a bit cheesy (looked to me like he touched the puck before the stick touched the Canadian's skate).[/quote]
I doubt he'll be in on Wednesday. He had a great game, but he was only out because Lucic had a one-game suspension. Bitz is the B's first reserve, but he's still the reserve.
Edit: Did anyone else think that Bitz's feed for the assist looked a lot like the Minnesota goal in 2005? It wasn't completely identical, but it was close enough to remind me.
[quote ftyuv][quote Rita]I hope Bitz's performance tonight will be enough to keep him in the line-up for game 4. Great effort, gets a point and I thought that tripping call was a bit cheesy (looked to me like he touched the puck before the stick touched the Canadian's skate).[/quote]
I doubt he'll be in on Wednesday. He had a great game, but he was only out because Lucic had a one-game suspension. Bitz is the B's first reserve, but he's still the reserve.
Edit: Did anyone else think that Bitz's feed for the assist looked a lot like the Minnesota goal in 2005? It wasn't completely identical, but it was close enough to remind me.[/quote]
Edit 2: A couple nice mentions in the post-games on NESN. Thornton gave credit to his goal to Bitz. Tim Thomas had a funny response to a reporter who asked about "Byron"... he looked really confused and said "Who?" and when the reporter clarified "Bitz," Thomas chuckled and said, "Bitzy, we call him Bitzy. (http://www.nesn.com/content/videocenter/default.aspx?videoid=@nesn.dayport.com&navCatId=19&articleID=5456)"
Here's an article from today's Globe about Bitz and his role in last night's game:
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2009/04/21/in_his_debut_bitz_helps_cause/
He thinks they made the right call on the penalty, though I have to say, it looked awfully close on the replays as to whether he got the puck or the skates first.
This is probably just the homer in me talking, but I felt that the refs were generally pretty hard on us. On Kobasew's goaltender interference penalty, for instance, it looked to me like he got pushed in, and I thought Bergy's roughing minor was weak considering he was obviously trying to get away from the guy.
On the other hand... here we are with one of our D out for the playoffs, a huge checker with a suspension, and a list of penalties that wasn't in our favor, and we still came out strong. I think that says a lot for the team's depth, of which Bitz is a huge part.
(Like how I tied pro-Bruins claptrap into the "almuni in the pros" theme at the very end?)
Hehe. "Us." "We." "Our."
After reading the first sentence, I thought it was a review of the past year of ECAC officiating. Luckily, your postscript note eliminated the need for me to consult the NHL-fan thread to find out who the hell you were talking about.
[quote ftyuv]This is probably just the homer in me talking, but I felt that the refs were generally pretty hard on us. On Kobasew's goaltender interference penalty, for instance, it looked to me like he got pushed in, and I thought Bergy's roughing minor was weak considering he was obviously trying to get away from the guy.
On the other hand... here we are with one of our D out for the playoffs, a huge checker with a suspension, and a list of penalties that wasn't in our favor, and we still came out strong. I think that says a lot for the team's depth, of which Bitz is a huge part.
(Like how I tied pro-Bruins claptrap into the "almuni in the pros" theme at the very end?)[/quote]
[quote RichH]Hehe. "Us." "We." "Our."
After reading the first sentence, I thought it was a review of the past year of ECAC officiating. Luckily, your postscript note eliminated the need for me to consult the NHL-fan thread to find out who the hell you were talking about.
[quote ftyuv]This is probably just the homer in me talking, but I felt that the refs were generally pretty hard on us. On Kobasew's goaltender interference penalty, for instance, it looked to me like he got pushed in, and I thought Bergy's roughing minor was weak considering he was obviously trying to get away from the guy.
On the other hand... here we are with one of our D out for the playoffs, a huge checker with a suspension, and a list of penalties that wasn't in our favor, and we still came out strong. I think that says a lot for the team's depth, of which Bitz is a huge part.
(Like how I tied pro-Bruins claptrap into the "almuni in the pros" theme at the very end?)[/quote][/quote]
Touche, and sorry for the confusion. :-)
Until Cornell gets its act together and offers consistent (and quality) video feeds of its games, I'm sorry to say, my "us" is only peripherally CU. Extremely peripherally. I like all y'all and that's why I continue to post here, but I just can't get all that excited about a team I can't watch.
[quote ftyuv]Until Cornell gets its act together and offers consistent (and quality) video feeds of its games, I'm sorry to say, my "us" is only peripherally CU. Extremely peripherally. I like all y'all and that's why I continue to post here, but I just can't get all that excited about a team I can't watch.[/quote]
BLASPHEMY!!! You will be cast out into hockey hell!!! (Maybe forced to attend every game at Bright when Cornell isn't there?)
I guess I understand your motivation but it's kind of sad that your connection to Cornell hockey is video dependant. Spoiled kids!
[quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]Until Cornell gets its act together and offers consistent (and quality) video feeds of its games, I'm sorry to say, my "us" is only peripherally CU. Extremely peripherally. I like all y'all and that's why I continue to post here, but I just can't get all that excited about a team I can't watch.[/quote]
BLASPHEMY!!! You will be cast out into hockey hell!!! (Maybe forced to attend every game at Bright when Cornell isn't there?)
I guess I understand your motivation but it's kind of sad that your connection to Cornell hockey is video dependant. Spoiled kids![/quote]Well, I'm horrible at visualizing plays when I listen on the radio, and a hockey team isn't as fun to follow when you take away the hockey.
[quote ftyuv]Well, I'm horrible at visualizing plays when I listen on the radio, and a hockey team isn't as fun to follow when you take away the hockey.[/quote]
So we need to get you some visualization exercises!
[quote KeithK]I guess I understand your motivation but it's kind of sad that your connection to Cornell hockey is video dependant. Spoiled kids![/quote]
He's not alone. With the exception of the local Harvard games, I virtually ignored Cornell hockey from 1999 through 2002, and the lack of video was a large part of it. I missed most of the careers of some of our best players, which saddens me... but that's life.
Expectation = reality. For those who grew up in an era when college hockey wasn't ever available on video, and rarely on audio outside the direct broadcast area, even scratchy audio over the net is a pleasure.
The "life" of hockey can be captured by a good PBP call. Grady was the best, but Jason's getting better with experience (even if he still can't pronounce "Carnelian" ;-) ).
From time to time I'll leave the Sharks radio broadcast on rather than turning on the tube. Sometimes I just like to have my eyes free for other tasks but if the PBP guy is good you can still picture the game pretty well. Not quite as clearly as baseball perhaps but it's still a good experience.
[quote Trotsky]
The "life" of hockey can be captured by a good PBP call. Grady was the best, but Jason's getting better with experience (even if he still can't pronounce "Carnelian" ;-) ).[/quote]
Correction: Roy Ives was the best. I have been listening to the home games (& attending them) for many years. I was one of the first people to take a radio into Lynah. So, I've had a lot of opportunity to compare the radio PBP to what I'm seeing on the ice.
When Roy Ives said that the puck was in a certain place on the ice and/or in the possession of a certain player..... That's exactly what I was seeing on the ice at that time. No delays, no fudging.
Grady is certainly pretty good and Jason is holding his own, as well. But, Roy Ives was in a class of his own. Yes, when listening to Roy's calling of the game, you could sit there & visualize the action on the ice (for road games). In addition to his accuracy, there was a flow to the game when listening to him.
I'm sorry the younger folks on here didn't get much of a chance to listen to his work. The only recording of which I'm aware is the March 6, 1979 broadcast.
[quote Trotsky]Expectation = reality. For those who grew up in an era when college hockey wasn't ever available on video, and rarely on audio outside the direct broadcast area, even scratchy audio over the net is a pleasure.
The "life" of hockey can be captured by a good PBP call. Grady was the best, but Jason's getting better with experience (even if he still can't pronounce "Carnelian" ;-) ).[/quote]Yes, indeed. Those of us who were pre video and even pre internet, if you can imagine, had to do a lot to catch a game. For the 1968 NCAAs I was in Boston. Obviously, no local broadcast there so we had our "Viewing Party" at a friends house where we wired a phone up to a radio. I called a friend in Ithaca who put his phone by his radio and in Boston we listened to the play by play. At that time long distance was by the minute so we disconnected and timed our call back for the next period. Hell, maybe I can say we invented the internet:-D or at least peer-to-peer.
And I do have to agree that Roy Ives was the best play by play broadcaster that I've heard for CU hockey.
[quote Jim Hyla] Those of us who were pre video and even pre internet, if you can imagine, had to do a lot to catch a game. For the 1968 NCAAs I was in Boston. Obviously, no local broadcast there so we had our "Viewing Party" at a friends house where we wired a phone up to a radio. I called a friend in Ithaca who put his phone by his radio and in Boston we listened to the play by play. At that time long distance was by the minute so we disconnected and timed our call back for the next period. Hell, maybe I can say we invented the internet:-D or at least peer-to-peer..[/quote]
Or maybe Teamline...
[quote Jim Hyla]Obviously, no local broadcast there so we had our "Viewing Party" at a friends house where we wired a phone up to a radio. I called a friend in Ithaca who put his phone by his radio and in Boston we listened to the play by play. At that time long distance was by the minute so we disconnected and timed our call back for the next period.[/quote]
Luxury!! When I was young, we had to watch for play-by-play smoke signals, and relayed the information by throwing rocks at the walls of the cave next door in Morse code patterns - and we liked it!!
For those of us who got to compare Roy with his direct predecessors on WHCU, Jay Levine and Sam Woodside along with some of the great radio voices of the NHL in days gone by, Roy was/is in a very elite class. He and his color guys (Tom Joseph in particular) created an incredibly accurate "verbal picture" of what was happening on the ice. A rare talent. Probably, the single greatest example of that talent was his call of missed open net and then game tying goal by Lance Nethery in the 1979 Providence - Cornell game. His call completely matched the video that was shot. I still get "goose bumps" thinking about that game and that play.
Roy once said that he learned "hockey announcing" from listening to Foster Hewitt, the long-time radio voice of Hockey Night in Canada while growing up in western NY. For many years, radio was the only live coverage of most hockey games.
I agree that our current crop of Cornell radio announcers do a reasonably credible job and are quite good at calling the game for the home team,but not being blatant "homers". In watching a number of the NHL playoff games recently, there are some announcer pairs who are painful to listen to in that regard!!! And there are certainly many radio voices in college hockey who are the same!!!
Larry 72
Yes, while recent CU Hockey announcers are not in Roy Ives' class, we are still lucky to have them.
[quote ftyuv][quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]Until Cornell gets its act together and offers consistent (and quality) video feeds of its games, I'm sorry to say, my "us" is only peripherally CU. Extremely peripherally. I like all y'all and that's why I continue to post here, but I just can't get all that excited about a team I can't watch.[/quote]
BLASPHEMY!!! You will be cast out into hockey hell!!! (Maybe forced to attend every game at Bright when Cornell isn't there?)
I guess I understand your motivation but it's kind of sad that your connection to Cornell hockey is video dependant. Spoiled kids![/quote]Well, I'm horrible at visualizing plays when I listen on the radio, and a hockey team isn't as fun to follow when you take away the hockey.[/quote]
Oh, they still call the games at Bright when Cornell isn't there, "hockey." ::snore::
Murray v Parros (Princeton) in the final minute of the first period. Apparently they go all the way back to HS.
I'd call it a draw.
Doug(las) Murray has been all over the ice in the first period of the Sharks-Ducks game. Two major hits and a fight with George Parros (Anaheim's enforcer, Princeton '03).
Vesce had the game tying and game winning goals (in OT) for Worchester in their playoff series against Hartford, now down 2 games to 1.
[quote Beeeej][quote Jim Hyla]Obviously, no local broadcast there so we had our "Viewing Party" at a friends house where we wired a phone up to a radio. I called a friend in Ithaca who put his phone by his radio and in Boston we listened to the play by play. At that time long distance was by the minute so we disconnected and timed our call back for the next period.[/quote]
Luxury!! When I was young, we had to watch for play-by-play smoke signals, and relayed the information by throwing rocks at the walls of the cave next door in Morse code patterns - and we liked it!![/quote]
You had a cave!?! Well, aren't we posh. We threw the rocks at each other in a snow-covered field!
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote Beeeej][quote Jim Hyla]Obviously, no local broadcast there so we had our "Viewing Party" at a friends house where we wired a phone up to a radio. I called a friend in Ithaca who put his phone by his radio and in Boston we listened to the play by play. At that time long distance was by the minute so we disconnected and timed our call back for the next period.[/quote]
Luxury!! When I was young, we had to watch for play-by-play smoke signals, and relayed the information by throwing rocks at the walls of the cave next door in Morse code patterns - and we liked it!![/quote]
You had a cave!?! Well, aren't we posh. We threw the rocks at each other in a snow-covered field![/quote]
You had snow?! And a field?!? You lucky sonofabitch! We missed the natural beauty of the outside world as the sirens of online conveniences and instant messaging kept us indoors and alone all day!
[quote French Rage]Vesce had the game tying and game winning goals (in OT) for Worchester in their playoff series against Hartford, now down 2 games to 1.[/quote]
Just cause MSG can't spell doesn't mean you shouldn't learn ;)
The link for highlights.
The fight is at after the hit at the 2.05 minute mark, but Murray is in the highlight reel quite a few times.
SJS game highlights (http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?hlg=20082009,3,153)
[quote DeltaOne81][quote French Rage]Vesce had the game tying and game winning goals (in OT) for Worchester in their playoff series against Hartford, now down 2 games to 1.[/quote]
Just cause MSG can't spell doesn't mean you shouldn't learn ;)[/quote]
I pronounced it right though.
Claude Julien's thinking on playing Bitz tonight (in the Boston Globe): http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2009/04/22/deep_in_thought/
[quote Al DeFlorio]Claude Julien's thinking on playing Bitz tonight (in the Boston Globe): http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2009/04/22/deep_in_thought/[/quote]
Unfortunately, Bitz is the healthy scratch tonight. OB gets his name on tonight's score sheet, 2 minutes for holding.
[quote Rita][quote Al DeFlorio]Claude Julien's thinking on playing Bitz tonight (in the Boston Globe): http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2009/04/22/deep_in_thought/[/quote]
Unfortunately, Bitz is the healthy scratch tonight. OB gets his name on tonight's score sheet, 2 minutes for holding.[/quote]
Bitz seems likely to get a lot of playing time next year. O'Byrne not so much.
If the Sharks win, Murray gets his name on the cup. If the B's win, Bitz only gets his name engraved if he appears in a Finals game if I recall cup naming rules correctly.
[quote Luke 05]If the Sharks win, Murray gets his name on the cup. If the B's win, Bitz only gets his name engraved if he appears in a Finals game if I recall cup naming rules correctly.[/quote]
Why's that?
[quote Beeeej][quote Luke 05]If the Sharks win, Murray gets his name on the cup. If the B's win, Bitz only gets his name engraved if he appears in a Finals game if I recall cup naming rules correctly.[/quote]
Why's that?[/quote]
http://www.nhl.com/cup/fun_facts.html
To have one's name engraved on the Stanley Cup certain requirements must be met. A player must have at least 41 games played with the club or one game played in the Stanley Cup Finals. However, in 1994 a stipulation was added to allow a team to petition the Commissioner for permission to have players' names put on the Cup if extenuating circumstances prevented them from being available to play.
[quote Trotsky]Murray v Parros (Princeton) in the final minute of the first period. Apparently they go all the way back to HS.
I'd call it a draw.[/quote]
I got a chuckle out of the announcer, after noting that Murray was from Cornell and Parros from Princeton, exclaiming, "It's an Ivy League dust-up!"
[quote French Rage][quote DeltaOne81][quote French Rage]Vesce had the game tying and game winning goals (in OT) for Worchester in their playoff series against Hartford, now down 2 games to 1.[/quote]
Just cause MSG can't spell doesn't mean you shouldn't learn ;)[/quote]
I pronounced it right though.[/quote]
There is no spelling that looks like it can be pronounced right. Local pronunciation may be more like WUSS-tah. Al DeFlorio should be the final arbiter, being from the Bay State. Thank goodness the team doens't train in Athol.
[quote billhoward][quote French Rage][quote DeltaOne81][quote French Rage]Vesce had the game tying and game winning goals (in OT) for Worchester in their playoff series against Hartford, now down 2 games to 1.[/quote]
Just cause MSG can't spell doesn't mean you shouldn't learn ;)[/quote]
I pronounced it right though.[/quote]
There is no spelling that looks like it can be pronounced right. Local pronunciation may be more like WUSS-tah. Al DeFlorio should be the final arbiter, being from the Bay State. Thank goodness the team doens't train in Athol.[/quote]
The phonetic pronunciation would be "wuss-tah", or, spelled a bit more elegantly 'Wooster'. Regardless of pronunciation, there still ain't no 'h' in the spelling.
P.S. I may not have lived there are long as Al, but I lived a lot closer, 3 towns away.
P.P.S. Don't get me started on Leominster, Peabody, Haverhill, Billerica, or Leicester.
[quote DeltaOne81][quote billhoward][quote French Rage][quote DeltaOne81][quote French Rage]Vesce had the game tying and game winning goals (in OT) for Worchester in their playoff series against Hartford, now down 2 games to 1.[/quote]
Just cause MSG can't spell doesn't mean you shouldn't learn ;)[/quote]
I pronounced it right though.[/quote]
There is no spelling that looks like it can be pronounced right. Local pronunciation may be more like WUSS-tah. Al DeFlorio should be the final arbiter, being from the Bay State. Thank goodness the team doens't train in Athol.[/quote]
The phonetic pronunciation would be "wuss-tah", or, spelled a bit more elegantly 'Wooster'. Regardless of pronunciation, there still ain't no 'h' in the spelling.
P.S. I may not have lived there are long as Al, but I lived a lot closer, 3 towns away.
P.P.S. Don't get me started on Leominster, Peabody, Haverhill, Billerica, or Leicester.[/quote]
You forgot Concord.
And Olde Newtowne, which is pronounced "kame-bridge."
[quote KeithK][quote Beeeej][quote Luke 05]If the Sharks win, Murray gets his name on the cup. If the B's win, Bitz only gets his name engraved if he appears in a Finals game if I recall cup naming rules correctly.[/quote]
Why's that?[/quote]
http://www.nhl.com/cup/fun_facts.html
To have one's name engraved on the Stanley Cup certain requirements must be met. A player must have at least 41 games played with the club or one game played in the Stanley Cup Finals. However, in 1994 a stipulation was added to allow a team to petition the Commissioner for permission to have players' names put on the Cup if extenuating circumstances prevented them from being available to play.[/quote]
Bitz unfortunately falls just short. He played in 35 regular season game, plus one playoff game so far.
Hopefully if the Bs make it that far, Julien will get him in a Cup game. Bitz has certainly shown that the line up does not suffer much when he's out there.
i like how they casually ignore the most infamous place the cup has gone...a nyc strip club. mark messier is an absolute dinkbag
[quote JasonN95]I got a chuckle out of the announcer, after noting that Murray was from Cornell and Parros from Princeton, exclaiming, "It's an Ivy League dust-up!"[/quote]
It came to fisticuffs?
[quote tretiak]i like how they casually ignore the most infamous place the cup has gone...a nyc strip club. mark messier is an absolute dinkbag[/quote]
More infamous than Dunbars? (note: I love Dunbars)
I have to think it's been through worse than hanging out at a strip club.
[quote BCrespi][quote tretiak]i like how they casually ignore the most infamous place the cup has gone...a nyc strip club. mark messier is an absolute dinkbag[/quote]
More infamous than Dunbars? (note: I love Dunbars)
I have to think it's been through worse than hanging out at a strip club.[/quote]
I suspect ESPN used a mock-up of the Cup rather than the real thing, but there was a very funny "This Is Sportscenter" ad several years back with Joe Nieuwendyk using the Cup as a Jello mold.
[quote BCrespi][quote tretiak]i like how they casually ignore the most infamous place the cup has gone...a nyc strip club. mark messier is an absolute dinkbag[/quote]
More infamous than Dunbars? (note: I love Dunbars)
I have to think it's been through worse than hanging out at a strip club.[/quote]
Whoa whoa whoa. "dinkbag?" You best watch your salacious tongue, there tretiak. This forum simply WILL NOT TOLERATE your filthy language.
uh, yeah. A NYC stripclub is probably one of the more tepid places it's been or things that have been done to it.
Quote from: More infamous than Dunbars? (note: I love Dunbars)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08153/886554-61.stm
The official story is that the bodyguards were hired to stay with the cup at all times to prevent further damage. The conspiracy theory is that the NHL was so embarassed by Messier taking it to Scores they hired permanent bodyguards to prevent future negative publicity for the cup and NHL. While we all love Dunbars, Scores is slightly more notorious than a college bar.
The Big Show on WEEI in Boston has a caller and a couple hosts raving about Bitz on the 4th line. The idea being that Bitz is a better "fit" on the 4th line, and actually makes that line better. Basically Bitz is adding more physicality while Wheeler's skill is being wasted a bit on the 4th line.
The caller asked if Bitz might get the start over Wheeler in the next round, and the hosts concluded (correctly I feel) that Wheeler's importance to the PK unit will give him the edge.
Maybe the Bruins can put Bitz in goalie pads and have him play out the last couple minutes of the third period of the last game if we're ahead?
[quote ftyuv]Maybe the Bruins can put Bitz in goalie pads and have him play out the last couple minutes of the third period of the last game if we're ahead?[/quote]
Put him in goalie pads and then pull the old "swap the goalies twice to get a time out" play. Preferrably when there's a faceoff at the other end.
[quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]Maybe the Bruins can put Bitz in goalie pads and have him play out the last couple minutes of the third period of the last game if we're ahead?[/quote]
Put him in goalie pads and then pull the old "swap the goalies twice to get a time out" play. Preferrably when there's a faceoff at the other end.[/quote]
Should the bruins make it that far, I think it is far more likely that Bitz would get back into the line-up due to someone suffering from a "lower body injury".
[quote Rita][quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]Maybe the Bruins can put Bitz in goalie pads and have him play out the last couple minutes of the third period of the last game if we're ahead?[/quote]
Put him in goalie pads and then pull the old "swap the goalies twice to get a time out" play. Preferrably when there's a faceoff at the other end.[/quote]
Should the bruins make it that far, I think it is far more likely that Bitz would get back into the line-up due to someone suffering from a "lower body injury".[/quote]
[Insert pun about knocking on wood]
[quote JasonN95][quote Trotsky]Murray v Parros (Princeton) in the final minute of the first period. Apparently they go all the way back to HS.
I'd call it a draw.[/quote]
I got a chuckle out of the announcer, after noting that Murray was from Cornell and Parros from Princeton, exclaiming, "It's an Ivy League dust-up!"[/quote]
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-04/46468153.gif)
from this article, which has a number of quotes from both Murray and Parros:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-ducks-parros24-2009apr24,0,2166214.story
[quote pfibiger][quote JasonN95][quote Trotsky]Murray v Parros (Princeton) in the final minute of the first period. Apparently they go all the way back to HS.
I'd call it a draw.[/quote]
I got a chuckle out of the announcer, after noting that Murray was from Cornell and Parros from Princeton, exclaiming, "It's an Ivy League dust-up!"[/quote]
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-04/46468153.gif)
from this article, which has a number of quotes from both Murray and Parros:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-ducks-parros24-2009apr24,0,2166214.story[/quote]
based on the look on his face he must be trying to either pass a kidney stone or take a dump.
Ah, the good ol' dump and chase.
[quote LA Times]If such sweat equity belies their Ivy League pedigree, there is no such incongruity off the ice. Parros ... routinely trounces [his] teammates on the USA Today crossword puzzle.
[/quote]
FAIL
Quote"That's a good question," said the Sharks' Travis Moen, who was traded from Anaheim in March. "Georgie's pretty smart. I probably haven't seen Dougie doing too many crossword puzzles."
Hey, Travis, it's "Douglas."::smashfreak::
[quote ugarte][quote LA Times]If such sweat equity belies their Ivy League pedigree, there is no such incongruity off the ice. Parros ... routinely trounces [his] teammates on the USA Today crossword puzzle.
[/quote]
FAIL[/quote]
Yeah, exactly what I thought. But then again, it is the most prestigious paper that arrives at my hotel room every day.
And actually, if I may go all billhoward for a sec, considering how that article went out of its way to try to impress us with Parros's intellectual accomplishments and then followed up with a 'Murray studied hotels! Which is good there! And he sells beer taps!' (here's a ball. Maybe you can bounce it.), I was half-expecting them to tell us that Douglas enjoys the TV Guide crossword or the Junior Jumble. But no, it ends by basically quoting a teammate saying "yeah, I don't think he does crosswords."
[quote RichH][quote ugarte][quote LA Times]If such sweat equity belies their Ivy League pedigree, there is no such incongruity off the ice. Parros ... routinely trounces [his] teammates on the USA Today crossword puzzle.
[/quote]
FAIL[/quote]
Yeah, exactly what I thought. But then again, it is the most prestigious paper that arrives at my hotel room every day.
And actually, if I may go all billhoward for a sec, considering how that article went out of its way to try to impress us with Parros's intellectual accomplishments and then followed up with a 'Murray studied hotels! Which is good there! And he sells beer taps!' (here's a ball. Maybe you can bounce it.), I was half-expecting them to tell us that Douglas enjoys the TV Guide crossword or the Junior Jumble. But no, it ends by basically quoting a teammate saying "yeah, I don't think he does crosswords."[/quote]
I thought the same thing but didn't want to start a flame war. The Hotel School is Real Cornell, after all and I'm just a muggle
salacious? mark messier was a great player but a cheap shot artist like current ranger sean avery (except with more talent and without the appreciation for a good purse). now denis potvin, there was a guy who played clean and hard.
I do love what George Parros has done with his facial hair.
(There needs to be a smiley with a handlebar mustache.)
[quote tretiak]salacious? mark messier was a great player but a cheap shot artist like current ranger sean avery (except with more talent and without the appreciation for a good purse). now denis potvin, there was a guy who played clean and hard.[/quote]That was sarcasm, right? I can only assume so.
[quote tretiak]i like how they casually ignore the most infamous place the cup has gone...a nyc strip club. mark messier is an absolute dinkbag[/quote]My dog (Messier) takes offense.........but she (yes, she) is also old and not what she once was.
[quote Josh '99][quote tretiak]salacious? mark messier was a great player but a cheap shot artist like current ranger sean avery (except with more talent and without the appreciation for a good purse). now denis potvin, there was a guy who played clean and hard.[/quote]That was sarcasm, right? I can only assume so.[/quote]
::popcorn::
Parros has got Douglas in terms of 'stache quality. Douglas has him in terms of hockey game (and contract value by a long-shot). I watched about 50 Ducks games this year and Parros isn't awful, he's a better than average goon in terms of being able to play a little hockey and create a few chances without being a huge defensive liability out there. Maybe it's just the 'stache, I dunno (don't know for you Ivy types).
[quote RatushnyFan]Parros has got Douglas in terms of 'stache quality. Douglas has him in terms of hockey game (and contract value by a long-shot). I watched about 50 Ducks games this year and Parros isn't awful, he's a better than average goon in terms of being able to play a little hockey and create a few chances without being a huge defensive liability out there. Maybe it's just the 'stache, I dunno (don't know for you Ivy types).[/quote]
The Chicago School would tell you Douglas is the more valuable player. The value of Parros's 3-year contract is around the same as each year of Murray's four year contract extension.
[quote RatushnyFan]Parros has got Douglas in terms of 'stache quality.[/quote]
Yeah, Dougie sort of looks like Leo DiCaprio. :-D
[quote jtwcornell91]
Yeah, Dougie sort of looks like Leo DiCaprio. :-D[/quote]
...on steroids.
Murray starts the game with Erhoff. Hiller makes three incredible saves in a 10 second span on the Sharks' 1st pp.
Cartoonist Darby Conley invokes Ken Dryden as a metaphor for perfection in today's Get Fuzzy (http://comics.com/get_fuzzy/2009-04-26/).
[quote David Harding]Cartoonist Darby Conley invokes Ken Dryden as a metaphor for perfection in today's Get Fuzzy (http://comics.com/get_fuzzy/2009-04-26/).[/quote]
Darby must be old.::cheer::
I thought this one was somewhat appropriate for the forum a few weeks ago:
Get Fuzzy 2 (http://comics.com/get_fuzzy/2009-04-12/)
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote David Harding]Cartoonist Darby Conley invokes Ken Dryden as a metaphor for perfection in today's Get Fuzzy (http://comics.com/get_fuzzy/2009-04-26/).[/quote]
Darby must be old.::cheer::[/quote]Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darby_Conley) says Darby was born in 1970 and grew up in Knoxville and attended Amherst.
See:
http://comics.com/get_fuzzy/?DateAfter=2009-04-26&DateBefore=2009-04-26&Order=d.DateStrip+DESC&PerPage=1&x=31&y=16&Search=
CK
From the TBRW awards thread:
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote admin][quote Larry72]In looking at the eLynah posts since the end of the season, I think there are actually more this year with three former Cornell players with teams in the Stanley Cup playoff hunt.
Douglas Murray - San Jose
Byron Bitz - Boston
Ryan O'Byrne - Montreal[/quote]
FYP[/quote]
LOL![/quote]
Wow. Sometimes the emphasis to have the best record is over-rated. I think there is something to be said about having to scratch and claw your way in and being the "underdog".
Should be an interesting off-season in SJ. They ousted Ron Wilson because he could get the team to the finals. Lots of questions, maybe I'll post some in the JSID hockey thread.
Good thing about Sharks being eliminated, Randy Hahn (TV pbp guy) will lose the "beard".
[quote Rita]From the TBRW awards thread:
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote admin][quote Larry72]In looking at the eLynah posts since the end of the season, I think there are actually more this year with three former Cornell players with teams in the Stanley Cup playoff hunt.
Douglas Murray - San Jose
Byron Bitz - Boston
Ryan O'Byrne - Montreal[/quote]
FYP[/quote]
LOL![/quote]
Wow. Sometimes the emphasis to have the best record is over-rated. I think there is something to be said about having to scratch and claw your way in and being the "underdog".
Should be an interesting off-season in SJ. They ousted Ron Wilson because he could get the team to the finals. Lots of questions, maybe I'll post some in the JSID hockey thread.
Good thing about Sharks being eliminated, Randy Hahn (TV pbp guy) will lose the "beard".[/quote]
The real story is Anaheim's disappointing regular season. SJ caught a bad break with the Ducks dropping to 8.
You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. The Ducks are better with Jonas Hiller in net and the late season tinkering seems to have worked. I like Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan a lot, they both skate hard all the time. Defensively they've improved as well, even though they dumped Montador (I thought he was a solid contributor). Despite all their improvements, shame on the Sharks for not dispatching the Ducks in 6 games!
P.S. Note that the Sharks did better when Douglas played more minutes (they won 2 of 3 games when he played 18+ minutes and lost all 3 games when he played less). Hardly the causal factor but an interesting aside. Just play the kid (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/gamelog?playerId=2100)
[quote RatushnyFan]You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. The Ducks are better with Jonas Hiller in net and the late season tinkering seems to have worked. I like Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan a lot, they both skate hard all the time. Defensively they've improved as well, even though they dumped Montador (I thought he was a solid contributor). Despite all their improvements, shame on the Sharks for not dispatching the Ducks in 6 games!
P.S. Note that the Sharks did better when Douglas played more minutes (they won 2 of 3 games when he played 18+ minutes and lost all 3 games when he played less). Hardly the causal factor but an interesting aside. Just play the kid (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/gamelog?playerId=2100)[/quote]
And Rob Blake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?playerId=75) logged well over 20+ minutes a game and was a net -5 for the series. Murray was a net -1, and that was in one game where he was a -1, the rest of the time he was even. I know +/- is a not a perfect measurement, but it does say something about one's ability to take care of the defensive zone.
[quote RatushnyFan]You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. The Ducks are better with Jonas Hiller in net and the late season tinkering seems to have worked. I like Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan a lot, they both skate hard all the time. Defensively they've improved as well, even though they dumped Montador (I thought he was a solid contributor). Despite all their improvements, shame on the Sharks for not dispatching the Ducks in 6 games!
P.S. Note that the Sharks did better when Douglas played more minutes (they won 2 of 3 games when he played 18+ minutes and lost all 3 games when he played less). Hardly the causal factor but an interesting aside. Just play the kid (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/gamelog?playerId=2100)[/quote]
While there certainly may be something to Murray's stronger presence in the wins, I fear it is probably more closely related to the awful NFL cliche, "X team wins Y amount of times when they run the ball 25 times a game!" Well yeah, they can play a running style if they're winning! An NHL team can play its best defensive defensivemen (and rotate their entire units) in games that it is winning as well.
[quote BCrespi][quote RatushnyFan]You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. The Ducks are better with Jonas Hiller in net and the late season tinkering seems to have worked. I like Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan a lot, they both skate hard all the time. Defensively they've improved as well, even though they dumped Montador (I thought he was a solid contributor). Despite all their improvements, shame on the Sharks for not dispatching the Ducks in 6 games!
P.S. Note that the Sharks did better when Douglas played more minutes (they won 2 of 3 games when he played 18+ minutes and lost all 3 games when he played less). Hardly the causal factor but an interesting aside. Just play the kid (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/gamelog?playerId=2100)[/quote]
While there certainly may be something to Murray's stronger presence in the wins, I fear it is probably more closely related to the awful NFL cliche, "X team wins Y amount of times when they run the ball 25 times a game!" Well yeah, they can play a running style if they're winning! An NHL team can play its best defensive defensivemen (and rotate their entire units) in games that it is winning as well.[/quote]
On the Sharks radio broadcast jamie baker pointed out (after game 3) that the Sharks switched to having Murray and Ehrhoff covering the Ducks top line and how they were matching up much better than Vlassic and Blake had early on the series. So in this case there may be some causation to the correlation between Murray's playing time and the team results.
[quote KeithK][quote BCrespi][quote RatushnyFan]You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. The Ducks are better with Jonas Hiller in net and the late season tinkering seems to have worked. I like Getzlaf and Bobby Ryan a lot, they both skate hard all the time. Defensively they've improved as well, even though they dumped Montador (I thought he was a solid contributor). Despite all their improvements, shame on the Sharks for not dispatching the Ducks in 6 games!
P.S. Note that the Sharks did better when Douglas played more minutes (they won 2 of 3 games when he played 18+ minutes and lost all 3 games when he played less). Hardly the causal factor but an interesting aside. Just play the kid (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/gamelog?playerId=2100)[/quote]
While there certainly may be something to Murray's stronger presence in the wins, I fear it is probably more closely related to the awful NFL cliche, "X team wins Y amount of times when they run the ball 25 times a game!" Well yeah, they can play a running style if they're winning! An NHL team can play its best defensive defensivemen (and rotate their entire units) in games that it is winning as well.[/quote]
On the Sharks radio broadcast jamie baker pointed out (after game 3) that the Sharks switched to having Murray and Ehrhoff covering the Ducks top line and how they were matching up much better than Vlassic and Blake had early on the series. So in this case there may be some causation to the correlation between Murray's playing time and the team results.[/quote]
I could definitely see this being the case, but that doesn't really change the fact that Murray can't play as many minutes when his team is behind later in the game as he's not exactly Brian Leetch with the puck on his stick. Nevertheless, I certainly would have loved to see more Murray on the ice, selfishly.
Haven't read this anywhere yet, but the Caps' Simeon Varlamov has a chance to equal Ken Dryden's 1971 feat of winning the Cup after having played in only six NHL regular season games. Not real likely to happen, but we've seen a lot of unusual endings lately.
Damn, gets a big picture, but he's gonna be a healthy scratch:
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2009/04/30/identity_crisis_finally_solved/
[quote RatushnyFan]You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. [/quote]
True, but tautological. To win the championship you have to beat everyone else. Some paths are harder than others, though, and I don't want to front-load the challenges. I'd rather have the Red Wings playing the Sharks in the conference finals than the Ducks in the second round.
Not that Chicago or Vancouver would be cakewalks. The West is deep this year.
[quote ugarte][quote RatushnyFan]You need to be able to beat the Ducks if you expect to win the Cup. [/quote]
True, but tautological. To win the championship you have to beat everyone else. Some paths are harder than others, though, and I don't want to front-load the challenges. I'd rather have the Red Wings playing the Sharks in the conference finals than the Ducks in the second round.
Not that Chicago or Vancouver would be cakewalks. The West is deep this year.[/quote]
That's not true at all. Style of play, psychology, etc are all factors. You can have a situation where A beat B, and C beats A, but B beats C. In other words, one could imagine a team that is generally dominant but for whatever reason just doesn't match well against the Ducks. That team would stand a much better chance if some other team knocks the Ducks out for them.
Think, for instance, about how the mediocre Dolphins always seem to beat the Pats, who are better overall. At least, that's what I'm told; I have trouble caring enough to follow a sport where plays are 8 seconds long and have two minutes between them. ::snore::
[quote ftyuv]
That's not true at all. Style of play, psychology, etc are all factors. You can have a situation where A beat B, and C beats A, but B beats C. In other words, one could imagine a team that is generally dominant but for whatever reason just doesn't match well against the Ducks. That team would stand a much better chance if some other team knocks the Ducks out for them.[/quote]
While matchups do matter, I don't think you get very many circular comparisons in practice (by abstract measure of ability, not limited sample size results). Maybe if you're comparing the top three teams in the league who are close to even. But not when you're comparing a middle of the road team to top teams.
[quote ftyuv]
Think, for instance, about how the mediocre Dolphins always seem to beat the Pats, who are better overall. At least, that's what I'm told; I have trouble caring enough to follow a sport where plays are 8 seconds long and have two minutes between them. ::snore::[/quote]
Considering that you can't even follow Cornell hockey without video, I am not surprised. :-P
At least I know how to use the quote tags! SNAP!
[quote ftyuv]At least I know how to use the quote tags! SNAP![/quote]
In my day we didn't have these WYSIWYG editors for the web. You had to type the HTML by hand and sometimes the bit patterns too. It was garbled and unformatted and unreadable. And that's the way it was and we liked it!
[quote KeithK]
While matchups do matter, I don't think you get very many circular comparisons in practice (by abstract measure of ability, not limited sample size results). Maybe if you're comparing the top three teams in the league who are close to even. But not when you're comparing a middle of the road team to top teams.[/quote]
Depends. When I was on the Cornell fencing team, there was another guy I could beat fairly consistently, and we had success against others pretty commensurate with what you'd expect. However, Penn had a guy who had just come off a gold medal win at the junior olympics and was rated #3 or #4 for all North American epee fencers, and my friend would absolutely dominate him in competitions - really bizarre. He did it on multiple occasions, even winning by a combined 20-5 or 20-6 score in a best 2-of-3 to 10 in the Eastern Regionals one year. For whatever reason, this guy who could dominate nearly all college fencers just could not beat my friend - he really would have benefited if some else knocked my friend out first.
There's probably more variability of style in a one-on-one sport like fencing (we had several A>B>C>A loops just within the Cornell team), but I do believe matchups matter in hockey, too.
I'd like to see Bitz and the Bruins match up against Tech's Willie Mitchell and the Canucks in the Cup finals.
Your "favorite" former Clarkson player has become one of the best shut down D-men in the NHL.
Boston has a better shot of getting there unless Luongo can carry Van to the finals. Interesting next series, last night got VAN off to a good start.
[quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]At least I know how to use the quote tags! SNAP![/quote]
In my day we didn't have these WYSIWYG editors for the web. You had to type the HTML by hand and sometimes the bit patterns too. It was garbled and unformatted and unreadable. And that's the way it was and we liked it![/quote]
In my day, we had to write the HTML out on HTML coding forms, drop them off to be key punched, pick up the cards and a printout the next day, debug the HTML, and take psychedelic drugs to imagine what the way it would look on the web if we had one. And we liked it! ::demented::
[quote Swampy][quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]At least I know how to use the quote tags! SNAP![/quote]
In my day we didn't have these WYSIWYG editors for the web. You had to type the HTML by hand and sometimes the bit patterns too. It was garbled and unformatted and unreadable. And that's the way it was and we liked it![/quote]
In my day, we had to write the HTML out on HTML coding forms, drop them off to be key punched, pick up the cards and a printout the next day, debug the HTML, and take psychedelic drugs to imagine what the way it would look on the web if we had one. And we liked it! ::demented::[/quote]
You'd have liked it just as much if you had skipped all that nerd shit and just taken the drugs.
[quote ugarte][quote Swampy][quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]At least I know how to use the quote tags! SNAP![/quote]
In my day we didn't have these WYSIWYG editors for the web. You had to type the HTML by hand and sometimes the bit patterns too. It was garbled and unformatted and unreadable. And that's the way it was and we liked it![/quote]
In my day, we had to write the HTML out on HTML coding forms, drop them off to be key punched, pick up the cards and a printout the next day, debug the HTML, and take psychedelic drugs to imagine what the way it would look on the web if we had one. And we liked it! ::demented::[/quote]
You'd have liked it just as much if you had skipped all that nerd shit and just taken the drugs.[/quote]In my day, we decriminalized pot in Massachusetts!!
PARTY ON!!!
[quote ugarte][quote Swampy][quote KeithK][quote ftyuv]At least I know how to use the quote tags! SNAP![/quote]
In my day we didn't have these WYSIWYG editors for the web. You had to type the HTML by hand and sometimes the bit patterns too. It was garbled and unformatted and unreadable. And that's the way it was and we liked it![/quote]
In my day, we had to write the HTML out on HTML coding forms, drop them off to be key punched, pick up the cards and a printout the next day, debug the HTML, and take psychedelic drugs to imagine what the way it would look on the web if we had one. And we liked it! ::demented::[/quote]
You'd have liked it just as much if you had skipped all that nerd shit and just taken the drugs.[/quote]
Yeah, you're right. But I didn't discover that until I was a senior.::doh::
Nice mention of bitz playing well in tonights game. Unfortunately for his team Carolina just scored to go up 3-1.