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Title: ECAC Awards
Post by: pfibiger on March 17, 2009, 10:39:51 AM
Tyler Mugford - Top Defensive Forward
Riley Nash - First Team All-ECAC
Ben Scrivens, Brendon Nash, Colin Greening - Second Team All-ECAC
Keir Ross - All-Rookie Team

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/03/17_kalemba.php
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Jim Hyla on March 17, 2009, 03:02:54 PM
[quote pfibiger]Tyler Mugford - Top Defensive Forward
Riley Nash - First Team All-ECAC
Ben Scrivens, Brendon Nash, Colin Greening - Second Team All-ECAC
Keir Ross - All-Rookie Team

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/03/17_kalemba.php[/quote]Can't disagree. Riley Nash-Honorable Mention Ivy? Yeah I know they are different leagues, but even other newspaper articles have questioned that. But again who really cares about Ivy hockey.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: CowbellGuy on March 17, 2009, 03:30:07 PM
Greening was 5-7-12, Nash was 3-5-8 in Ivy competition. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Trotsky on March 17, 2009, 07:01:22 PM
[quote pfibiger]Tyler Mugford - Top Defensive Forward
Keir Ross - All-Rookie Team[/quote]

Really glad to see both of these.  Tyler getting the recognition is outstanding.  For Ross, I'm just glad to see we're not completely crazy in thinking he'll be a strong cornerstone of the D in '11 and '12.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Jim Hyla on March 17, 2009, 08:04:54 PM
[quote CowbellGuy]Greening was 5-7-12, Nash was 3-5-8 in Ivy competition. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out.[/quote]But then there were 3 other players with Ivy stats better than Nash who got nothing. Nash's stats were equal to Vokes and Wilson. But who knows how they pick them, maybe couldn't pick any more Yale forwards so had to pick Nash. Anyway I still feel no one will care about this after the year is done. Much like Harkness told Dryden when told Princeton wanted him as they were going for Ivy title, we're going for national title. Get what's important and forget the rest.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: sah67 on March 17, 2009, 08:17:49 PM
[quote Trotsky][quote pfibiger]Tyler Mugford - Top Defensive Forward
Keir Ross - All-Rookie Team[/quote]

Really glad to see both of these.  Tyler getting the recognition is outstanding. [/quote]

Agree...it's a very nice feather in his cap, and also great to see the league recognizing just how important Mugford is to this team.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: KeithK on March 17, 2009, 11:23:41 PM
[quote Jim Hyla][quote CowbellGuy]Greening was 5-7-12, Nash was 3-5-8 in Ivy competition. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out.[/quote]But then there were 3 other players with Ivy stats better than Nash who got nothing. Nash's stats were equal to Vokes and Wilson. But who knows how they pick them, maybe couldn't pick any more Yale forwards so had to pick Nash.[/quote]
These awards are not supposed to be simple stat counters (top 3 point getters get first team, etc.) so the fact that others had more points than Nash shouldn't necessarily matter. Obviously voters (the coaches I assume) do use points as a proxy to some degree but it's just not the whole story.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Swampy on March 17, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
[quote Jim Hyla][quote CowbellGuy]Greening was 5-7-12, Nash was 3-5-8 in Ivy competition. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out.[/quote]But then there were 3 other players with Ivy stats better than Nash who got nothing. Nash's stats were equal to Vokes and Wilson. But who knows how they pick them, maybe couldn't pick any more Yale forwards so had to pick Nash. Anyway I still feel no one will care about this after the year is done. Much like Harkness told Dryden when told Princeton wanted him as they were going for Ivy title, we're going for national title. Get what's important and forget the rest.[/quote]

I heard he told Dryden, "We're going for the only unbeaten, untied NCAA championship team in history." Good thing he did, 'cause Dryden made the coach look like a prophet! ::woot::
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Beeeej on March 18, 2009, 12:10:35 AM
[quote Swampy]I heard he told Dryden, "We're going for the only unbeaten, untied NCAA championship team in history." Good thing he did, 'cause Dryden made the coach look like a prophet! ::woot::[/quote]

::bang::
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Germ on March 18, 2009, 12:25:12 AM
[quote Swampy][quote Jim Hyla][quote CowbellGuy]Greening was 5-7-12, Nash was 3-5-8 in Ivy competition. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out.[/quote]But then there were 3 other players with Ivy stats better than Nash who got nothing. Nash's stats were equal to Vokes and Wilson. But who knows how they pick them, maybe couldn't pick any more Yale forwards so had to pick Nash. Anyway I still feel no one will care about this after the year is done. Much like Harkness told Dryden when told Princeton wanted him as they were going for Ivy title, we're going for national title. Get what's important and forget the rest.[/quote]

I heard he told Dryden, "We're going for the only unbeaten, untied NCAA championship team in history." Good thing he did, 'cause Dryden made the coach look like a prophet! ::woot::[/quote]

Was Dryden actually on the undefeated untied team? I thought he was on the other national championship team.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Beeeej on March 18, 2009, 12:30:27 AM
[quote Germ][quote Swampy]I heard he told Dryden, "We're going for the only unbeaten, untied NCAA championship team in history." Good thing he did, 'cause Dryden made the coach look like a prophet! ::woot::[/quote]

Was Dryden actually on the undefeated untied team? I thought he was on the other national championship team.[/quote]

He was.  Brian Cropper was the goalie in 1969-70.

Hence, ::bang::
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: nr53 on March 18, 2009, 01:17:01 AM
[quote Beeeej]
He was.  Brian Cropper was the goalie in 1969-70.

Hence, ::bang::[/quote]

I kinda read that as more sarcasm, but maybe that was just me.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: Jim Hyla on March 18, 2009, 08:36:27 AM
[quote KeithK][quote Jim Hyla][quote CowbellGuy]Greening was 5-7-12, Nash was 3-5-8 in Ivy competition. Doesn't seem that hard to figure out.[/quote]But then there were 3 other players with Ivy stats better than Nash who got nothing. Nash's stats were equal to Vokes and Wilson. But who knows how they pick them, maybe couldn't pick any more Yale forwards so had to pick Nash.[/quote]
These awards are not supposed to be simple stat counters (top 3 point getters get first team, etc.) so the fact that others had more points than Nash shouldn't necessarily matter. Obviously voters (the coaches I assume) do use points as a proxy to some degree but it's just not the whole story.[/quote]That was my point to Age. I only pointed out the stats to show it wasn't just based on stats, as he suggested. I guess the point being that if he was so good in the ECAC, but not in the Ivy, he must have looked spectacular in the non-Ivy ECAC games. Or maybe the Ivy selections are meaningless.
Title: Re: ECAC Awards
Post by: ugarte on March 18, 2009, 08:35:13 PM
[quote Beeeej][quote Swampy]I heard he told Dryden, "We're going for the only unbeaten, untied NCAA championship team in history." Good thing he did, 'cause Dryden made the coach look like a prophet! ::woot::[/quote]

::bang::[/quote]
I assumed Swampy was kidding.