Quote from: On the USCHO Board:The 2007 NCAA D-I Hockey team revenue, as self-reported to the US Dept of Education:
Bemidji State 771,701
Bentley Coll 677,722
Boston College 3,327,797
Boston Univ - 4,136,864
Bowling Green 893,361
Brown Univ 613,379
Canisius 747,925
Clarkson 1,371,056
Colgate 1,687,813
Coll Holy Cross 841,675
Colo College 3,560,331
Cornell 1,458,405
Dartmouth 844,310
Ferris State 938,159
Harvard 801,166
Lake Superior St. 866,442
Merceyhurst 838,467
Merrimack 1,255,239
Miami 1,742,761
Michigan State 2,762,075
Michiagn Tech 1,808,304
Minnesota State 1,211,490
Niagara 1,203,582
Northeastern 1,236,383
Northern Michigan 1,206,489
Ohio State 1,001,949
Princeton 712,601
Providence 1,688,962
Quinnipiac 1,524,752
Rensselaer 1,714,604
Robert Morris 723,706
RIT 715,803
Sacred Heart 694,148
St. Cloud 1,803,863
St. Lawrence 1,338,680
Union 482,747
U of Ala-Huntsville 554,468
O of Alaska-Anchorage 1,130,704
U of Alaska Fairbanks 1,537,282
U of Connecticut 202,132
U of Denver 2,081,175
U of Maine 2,673,406
U Mass Amherst 1,676,681
U Mass Lowell 1,012,033
U of Michigan 2,562,685
U of Minnesota Duluth 1,870,293
U of Minn Twin Cities 6,689,971
U of Nebraska Omaga 2,429,187
U of New Hampshire 2,724,024
U of North Dakota 3,717,479
U of Notre Dame 594,244
U of Vermont 2,682,885
U of Wisconsin 4,796,972
Western Michigan 595,488
Yale 1,039,852
If you want to dive into deeper data yourself, follow Blocksi's instructions below...
1. Go to: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetDownl...ectedData.aspx
2. clicked "any" for all five search fields, then click search. That returns 2066 schools. Click continue.
3. Then, I went to the second option - Sport Code - Ice Hockey. And that gives you the data from every school that plays ice hockey, including division 3. I didn't want to separate the data by division for fear that a school like CC wouldn't show up, given how many schools 'play up,' and all of their divisions seem based on football definitions.
College Hockey Team Revenues (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=81650)
Tops by far in the Ivies, Yale #2. RPI top in ECAC, but look at Colgate. Where does that come from in their crappy rink???::wtf::
Another guy did a spreadsheet listing expenses and profit.
Find it Here (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwrV-D-_tTUSpdM2lWCeTdQ)
Miraculously, revenues and expenses for the women's team somehow balance each other out.
[quote mnagowski]Miraculously, revenues and expenses for the women's team somehow balance each other out.[/quote]
I'm assuming that they hit a lot of the costs in the men's numbers, meaning that the men's team actually had a higher profit than the figure listed.
Wow, $800K for Hahvard.
Their fan is paying a ridiculous amount to go to each game!
[quote Jordan 04]Wow, $800K for Hahvard.
Their fan is paying a ridiculous amount to go to each game![/quote]
Don't worry - his daddy's footing the bill! ::banana::
[quote TimV]
Tops by far in the Ivies, Yale #2. RPI top in ECAC, but look at Colgate. Where does that come from in their crappy rink???::wtf::
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That's alot considering fans show up for one game a year. Does that include the cost of the free pizza they give the students?
[quote Jordan 04]Wow, $800K for Hahvard.[/quote]They must put down a lot of action on BU in the Beanpot.
just doing rough math on cornell.. 4100K per game 14 games at say $16 a ticket is 950K.the boxes are much more so thats roughly all ticket revenue.. what happens to the Ad revenue and any sales?
Colg in the few games I looked at sells closer to 2K per game how, are they doubling some profits with half the people present?
correct me if i'm wrong, but television contracts would be included right? time warner televises most if not all colgate home games.
[quote tretiak]correct me if i'm wrong, but television contracts would be included right? time warner televises most if not all colgate home games.[/quote]
Does TW seriously PAY to televise those games? Seems unlikely TW is making too much in ad revenue on college hockey. I know schools like Quinnipiac run around paying other networks to air their games.
[quote Chris '03][quote tretiak]correct me if i'm wrong, but television contracts would be included right? time warner televises most if not all colgate home games.[/quote]
Does TW seriously PAY to televise those games? Seems unlikely TW is making too much in ad revenue on college hockey. I know schools like Quinnipiac run around paying other networks to air their games.[/quote]That's always been my assumption about Colgate, but not based upon any facts.
I'm surprised that Michigan's revenue isn't significantly higher.
Starr may seat just over 2000, but short of Cornell's annual trip, that place is deserted, and I'm sure they're paying TW to cover the games, not the other way around. I think the more important thing to remember is the teams split the gate. Cornell's losing half of its gate for every home game to schools like Colgate. That tends to equalize everyone's revenues in the long run. Last year Colgate played a pair at Michigan State, and a pair at the Badger Showdown in front of close to 15,000 people per game. That certainly helps.
[quote CowbellGuy]Starr may seat just over 2000, but short of Cornell's annual trip, that place is deserted, and I'm sure they're paying TW to cover the games, not the other way around. I think the more important thing to remember is the teams split the gate. Cornell's losing half of its gate for every home game to schools like Colgate. That tends to equalize everyone's revenues in the long run. Last year Colgate played a pair at Michigan State, and a pair at the Badger Showdown in front of close to 15,000 people per game. That certainly helps.[/quote]
All NC$$ D-I hockey teams split the gate, or is it just an ECACHL thing? If the former (which I did not realize) that would explain why the Minnesota's of the world do not want to travel and play in an ~ 3500 person capacity rink.
I give North Dakota a lot of respect (and kudos) for making an almost annual trip out east to play teams.
With the WHCA expansion moratorium lifted, it will be interesting to see if the 5 conferences can work together to save the CHA programs. But if the "marquee" teams of the WCHA and CCHA cannot see the intangible value of scheduling home-home NC series with the small eastern programs, then I'm not too optimistic about all the CHA teams being adopted into a conference.
All teams do. I definitely echo your sentiments about ND.
[quote CowbellGuy]All teams do. I definitely echo your sentiments about ND.[/quote]
This is something I've wondered about. In the past I'm pretty sure Schafer has been quoted in the press saying that the athletic department needs him to have X home games for revenue purposes. Wouldn't two games at [insert big arena western school] satisfy the need for revenue (even less the expenses of travel) of two home games vs. Army and SHU if all gates are getting split 50/50? I can't imagine CU is making that much off of incidental things like concessions.
[quote Chris '03][quote CowbellGuy]All teams do. I definitely echo your sentiments about ND.[/quote]
This is something I've wondered about. In the past I'm pretty sure Schafer has been quoted in the press saying that the athletic department needs him to have X home games for revenue purposes. Wouldn't two games at [insert big arena western school] satisfy the need for revenue (even less the expenses of travel) of two home games vs. Army and SHU if all gates are getting split 50/50? I can't imagine CU is making that much off of incidental things like concessions.[/quote]
I wouldn't have expected that the split was 50-50. Something like 60-40 or 2/3 home team would've been my guess. I don't have any information to back up this guess so I'm certainly willing to believe Age.
[quote Chris '03][quote CowbellGuy]All teams do. I definitely echo your sentiments about ND.[/quote]
This is something I've wondered about. In the past I'm pretty sure Schafer has been quoted in the press saying that the athletic department needs him to have X home games for revenue purposes. Wouldn't two games at [insert big arena western school] satisfy the need for revenue (even less the expenses of travel) of two home games vs. Army and SHU if all gates are getting split 50/50? I can't imagine CU is making that much off of incidental things like concessions.[/quote]
Don't forget about the always lucrative CHA 50-50 Raffle!
[quote Chris '03][quote CowbellGuy]All teams do. I definitely echo your sentiments about ND.[/quote]
This is something I've wondered about. In the past I'm pretty sure Schafer has been quoted in the press saying that the athletic department needs him to have X home games for revenue purposes. Wouldn't two games at [insert big arena western school] satisfy the need for revenue (even less the expenses of travel) of two home games vs. Army and SHU if all gates are getting split 50/50? I can't imagine CU is making that much off of incidental things like concessions.[/quote]
That revenue also doesn't happen in a vacuum; it's great if we get $25,000 of the gate from playing at [insert big arena western school], but we also have to spend a lot of money getting the players there, feeding them, and putting them up in a hotel. That's not true at home.
[quote Beeeej][quote Chris '03][quote CowbellGuy]All teams do. I definitely echo your sentiments about ND.[/quote]
This is something I've wondered about. In the past I'm pretty sure Schafer has been quoted in the press saying that the athletic department needs him to have X home games for revenue purposes. Wouldn't two games at [insert big arena western school] satisfy the need for revenue (even less the expenses of travel) of two home games vs. Army and SHU if all gates are getting split 50/50? I can't imagine CU is making that much off of incidental things like concessions.[/quote]
That revenue also doesn't happen in a vacuum; it's great if we get $25,000 of the gate from playing at [insert big arena western school], but we also have to spend a lot of money getting the players there, feeding them, and putting them up in a hotel. That's not true at home.[/quote]
Hence the "even less the expenses of travel" part of my question. Is 50% of the gate at the Kohl Center for two nights - flights, hotels, food, and other expenses of travel < 50% of the gate at Lynah times two(~$80-85k?)?
Are you sure the split the gate? do they do this in any other sports? they dont in any big time bball or football leagues.
Yes, I'm sure. Honestly couldn't give a crap what baseball or football do.
[quote CowbellGuy]Yes, I'm sure. Honestly couldn't give a crap what baseball or football do.[/quote]
It's not correct that the gate gets split with the visitor, at least not when I was working in athletics. There was a time when Ivy football revenue was split among the league, but I believe that policy was eliminated several years ago. It's correct that the home team typically pays for TV coverage (unless you're a big time football/basketball program). The hope is TV advertising revenue will defray broadcast expenses. Sometimes both teams will share broadcast expenses.
The numbers in the spreadsheet are probably derived from the "EDA" reports. There are no reporting standards for EDA report, and every school accounts for things differently,so comparisons between schools are pretty meaningless. What's relevant is looking at expenditures for men's programs versus women's programs for a given school. That is one of the Title IX complance measures, the value of which is constantly debated.