1 00:37 Cor Greening 8 (unassisted)
2 11:59 Cor pp R. Nash 7 (Barlow 9, Gallagher 10)
3 12:58 Cor P. Kennedy 3 (Roeszler 6, M. Kennedy 3)
Greening-Nash-Barlow
Roeszler-M. Kennedy-P.Kennedy
Collins-Gallagher-Devin
Mugford-Punches-Jillson
Ross-Seminoff
Nash-Devin
Davenport-Krueger
Punches and Jillson in for Scali and Nicholls
Good to see a few other guys getting ice time (assuming Scali and Nicholls are not sitting because they are hurt). Maybe Mike should put in Garman or Troy Davenport if Cornell opens up a significant lead.
5 minutes before gametime and no active link at B2...what else is new?
yea i am not happy about this.
Link just went up
B2 streaming technology is so 1990's
I hope the guy in the RPI jersey has his head in front of the camera for the whole game.
They'll sit down. They're not like us at Lynah.
Goal 37 seconds in!
GOAL!
I knew RPI would be easysauce.
Greening squeaks a softie between Lange's pads!
37 seconds in, on 2nd shot--Greening
RPI short saved by Lange..
[quote Trotsky]1 00:37 Cor M. Kennedy 8 (Greening 8, Barlow 9)[/quote]
Trotsky, I believe it was Greening from P. Kennedy and Barlow
So was that a Greening goal or M. Kennedy goal?
[quote sah67][quote Trotsky]1 00:37 Cor M. Kennedy 8 (Greening 8, Barlow 9)[/quote]
Trotsky, I believe it was Greening from P. Kennedy and Barlow[/quote]I'm going by Jason's call. I'll make it conditional.
[quote Trotsky][quote sah67][quote Trotsky]1 00:37 Cor M. Kennedy 8 (Greening 8, Barlow 9)[/quote]
Trotsky, I believe it was Greening from P. Kennedy and Barlow[/quote]I'm going by Jason's call. I'll make it conditional.[/quote]
Works for me...I trust Jason a bit more than these RPI guys ;)
Wow! We are dominant. We look like #1 in the nation.
Now I believe!
The RPI play-by-play guy announces like he's running an auction.
All I hear is: "babblebabblebabble"
"You're never as good as you look when you win and you're never as bad as you look when you lose."
5 min major (boarding) on RPI
TW3 announcers say "Guys don't know how to protect themselves anymore."
What? a hit from behind is the hittees Fault???::wtf::
RPI is near the top of the country in PIM/GP.
I can't recall the last time we scored twice on a major. It would be nice.
Powerplay looking sloppy. If we can't score on a 5-min major against RPI, I won't be very encouraged.
There's something about the expression "John Kennedy blocked a shot..."
We spread out and utilize the space well, but we're not cycling and moving the puck efficiently like we did last night.
There's not pressing too hard on a major, and then there's being lazy - we need to step it up here.
Houston crowd rocking after the kill. That building can get very loud (although it happens rarely these days).
There was one moment where there could have been another RPI penalty. Could have been a 5x3..
[quote Trotsky]There's something about the expression "John Kennedy blocked a shot..."[/quote]
His name is John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr., which means that his father was named for the President. It makes me feel very old.
Collins looking very good for the second night in a row.
It would be nice if TW3 would turn down the brightness so you could see anything at all....
[quote sen '08]It would be nice if TW3 would turn down the brightness so you could see anything at all....[/quote]Thanks, I was wondering if it was just me. I get to see the crowd well.::smashfreak::
Big save by Scrivens on a point-blank RPI one-timer
It's a little hard to watch hockey when you can't see the puck, sticks, lines on the ice and can just tell where the players' legs are. ::rolleyes::
[quote sen '08]It's a little hard to watch hockey when you can't see the puck, sticks, lines on the ice and can just tell where the players' legs are. ::rolleyes::[/quote]Sure, now we sympathize with John Murphy.
Definitely M.Kennedy goal.
[quote dragonfan]Definitely M.Kennedy goal.[/quote]
Brandon Thomas wrote on his liveblog that the official scoring was changed, and it's Colin Greening unassisted.
http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090117/BLOGS05/90117007
[quote sen '08]It's a little hard to watch hockey when you can't see the puck, sticks, lines on the ice and can just tell where the players' legs are. ::rolleyes::[/quote]
I just called the pressbox to see if they could get word to the television truck. The guy said they have no communication with the truck, and I asked that they at least inform the commentators that are sitting right next to them. By my look during this interview it's not corrected yet.
If it keeps up, we can harass the press box by calling (518) 276-2661.::uptosomething::
[quote TimV][quote sen '08]It's a little hard to watch hockey when you can't see the puck, sticks, lines on the ice and can just tell where the players' legs are. ::rolleyes::[/quote]
I just called the pressbox to see if they could get word to the television truck. The guy said they have no communication with the truck, and I asked that they at least inform the commentators that are sitting right next to them. By my look during this interview it's not corrected yet.
If it keeps up, we can harass the press box by calling (518) 276-2661.::uptosomething::[/quote]I went to online tech chat. He said I'd receive a response to my problem before 24-48 hours. They want to be sure they get it correct.
Customer service?::nut::::bang::::flipd::
It seems to be fixed at the start of the second.
[quote sen '08]It seems to be fixed at the start of the second.[/quote]
OK. Hassle mode off.
To my understanding, the "exposure" settings (as well as white balance, color intensity, etc etc) is done at the camera, not by a guy in a truck. Is this not true?
I'd be amazed if these RPI announcers can remember each others' names.
[quote Oat]To my understanding, the "exposure" settings (as well as white balance, color intensity, etc etc) is done at the camera, not by a guy in a truck. Is this not true?[/quote]
Maybe, but the truck still sees the output on their monitors and can communicate with the camera guy.
Don't care as long as they have fixed it.
[quote TimV][quote Oat]To my understanding, the "exposure" settings (as well as white balance, color intensity, etc etc) is done at the camera, not by a guy in a truck. Is this not true?[/quote]
Maybe, but the truck still sees the output on their monitors and can communicate with the camera guy.
Don't care as long as they have fixed it.[/quote]Except it took forever.
no game on here in buffalo on twc. silly sabres! It is not on satellite either.
LGR!
should go to Kennedy thats what it looked like
SLUts scored 4 tonight (6 last night).
RPI penalty...the first in nearly 11 minutes of the 2nd period.
The TW3 commentators seem to think that Cornell embellishes every hit and RPI is a team of angels.
Are they also in the 2nd period, or did that game start earlier? USCHO shows it as a 7:00 start, so I assume there's still a ways to go.
thats how you do it
Riley Nash PPG on a deflection!
What a great series on that PP.
Riley Nash on the deflection.
make up call.. ok, honestly i didn't see it.
haha Scrivens rolling!
"It seems that RPI just needs to get the puck around Scrivens and into the net."
Brilliance! Make him the coach.
strong forecheck by Sean Collins. He's played well the last two games.
RPI going right back on the powerplay.
Game misconduct + 2 min minor for unsportsmanlike conduct on Gallagher.
I didn't see the penalty again! And I blame it on the stupid camera man/woman. What did Gallagher do? Is this a makeup call?
crap call!!!
10 minute and game misconduct to Gallagher for unsportsmanlike.
Actually, I believe it's a just 10-minute misconduct, not a game misconduct, so we can get Gallagher back after 10 minutes.
RPI negates their powerplay and takes a penalty just as ours expires.
yes, he should be able to come back
[quote dragonfan]crap call!!![/quote]
You saw it? Please elaborate.
[quote Oat]I didn't see the penalty again! And I blame it on the stupid camera man/woman. What did Gallagher do? Is this a makeup call?[/quote]
Gallagher got penalized for shooting the puck on net after play was whistled dead for offsides.
Another strong defensive effort in the WCHA tonight:
Minny over SCSU by a score of 7-6 ::bugeye::
Much better than boring Cornell lockdown hockey ;)
Gallagher shot the puck after the whistle was blown and and so Lange had relaxed. Since Lange had relaxed he could have been injured by a hard shot, hence the unsportsmanlike.
Is it just me or do the TW3 guys keep saying "screh-vens"?
[quote sen '08]Is it just me or do the TW3 guys keep saying "screh-vens"?[/quote]
It's not just you. Just one of the many little mistakes they keep on making. The play-by-play guy isn't awful, but he's not very good. Craig Darby is useless.
[quote sen '08]Is it just me or do the TW3 guys keep saying "screh-vens"?[/quote]
It's gotta be better than the RPI announcers on B2 who can't even keep their own players straight (referring to Lange as Scrivens and vice-versa on multiple occasions, confusing RPI's Kennedy with our two) let alone the Cornell players.
Yeah I've yelled "It's Brendan not Brandon" at the TV several times tonight.
RPI going on the powerplay at 2:00 of the 3rd.
That was not a dive, but the RPI guy went down REALLY easily.
idiots stood up in front of the camera and blocked everyone who paid for to watch this game live over the internet.
edit: it was during the heated moment in front of the cornell goal (RPI pp)
[quote Oat]idiots stood up in front of the camera and blocked everyone who paid for to watch this game live over the internet.
edit: it was during the heated moment in front of the cornell goal (RPI pp)[/quote]
We are currently working to remedy the situation. A customer service representative will contact you with a solution within 24 hours.
::innocent::
Scrivens stones one of the Angers-Goulets on a clean breakaway.
[quote sah67][quote Oat]idiots stood up in front of the camera and blocked everyone who paid for to watch this game live over the internet.
edit: it was during the heated moment in front of the cornell goal (RPI pp)[/quote]
We are currently working to remedy the situation. A customer service representative will contact you with a solution within 24 hours.
::innocent::[/quote]
Help me harass the press box with the number that Jim gave us above:
518-276-2661
They just did it again.. and again
Cornell shots after 7 minutes of the first period: 7.
Cornell shots now: 16.
but a lot of chances sent wide (esp. on the pp)
Michael Kennedy just shot after the whistle there too.. Why didn't he get a misconduct like Gallagher?
The CD completes a sweep of Colgate. The Raiders are a different team against us.
[quote Oat][quote sah67][quote Oat]idiots stood up in front of the camera and blocked everyone who paid for to watch this game live over the internet.
edit: it was during the heated moment in front of the cornell goal (RPI pp)[/quote]
We are currently working to remedy the situation. A customer service representative will contact you with a solution within 24 hours.
::innocent::[/quote]
Help me harass the press box with the number that Jim gave us above:
518-276-2661
They just did it again.. and again[/quote]
Sorry bud, you're on your own. I don't think anyone in the RPI press box is interested in listening to complaints from a Cornell fan about RPI fans blocking the camera ;)
Patrick Kennedy! Top-shelf!
Patrick Kennedy!!!
4 minutes left in New Haven, SLU tied with Yale.
That was not offsides. "rossler" waited for the puck.
Overtime in New Haven. Yale may be headed for a 1-point home weekend.
Unfortunately, UNH 6 Dartmouth 4 with about 5 to go.
RPI player plows into Scrivens and we'll end the game on the powerplay.
Scrivens now leads the nation with 5 shutouts.
A dirty hit on Davenport at the buzzer and a brawl ensues.
Real classy, RPI.
OH MY GOD! WHAT A DIRTY HIT AFTER THE WHISTLE
Game DQ
5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.
[quote sah67]A dirty hit on Davenport at the buzzer and a brawl ensues.
Real classy, RPI.[/quote]
RPI hockey is the most useless collegiate program in the nation. I hope they leave ECAC. We gotta get them back in Lynah.
[quote Cactus12]Game DQ[/quote]
And on Burgdoerfer, who also got a Game DQ in our game at RPI last year. Classy guy.
And RPI fans boo'd our team.. after their player cheap shot Davenport following the game-ending whistle.
What kind of background did these uneducated acne-faced morons come from?
[quote lynah80]5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.[/quote]
Burgdorfer was the guy who ran one of our guys (also from behind) at RPI 2 years ago and enraged Sawada on the bench. I'd like to see a good ol' Charlestown Chiefs game at Lynah against these jerks.
[quote lynah80]5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.[/quote]
Erik Burgdoerfer is the same guy who got DQ'd for blatantly hitting Joe Scali from behind in last year's game at RPI.
[quote cbuckser][quote lynah80]5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.[/quote]
Erik Burgdoerfer is the same guy who got DQ'd for blatantly hitting Joe Scali from behind in last year's game at RPI.[/quote]
it's hard to say who I would rather see get hit by a truck. Burgdoerfer or Nickerson.
Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.
[quote lynah80]Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.[/quote]
No one is going to touch him though. everyone on our current team has too much talent to make the same selfless sacrifice that Paul Varteressian did when Nickerson came to town.
And the winner of the 2009 TBRW Kevan Melrose-Matt Nickerson Award goes to...
Erik Burgdoerfer of RPI!
Postgame thread (http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,137811) up.
[quote Oat]And RPI fans boo'd our team.. after their player cheap shot Davenport following the game-ending whistle.
What kind of background did these uneducated acne-faced morons come from?[/quote]
What is even more amazing is that the b2 Network announcers (RPI feed) suggested that:
1.) It was Davenport's fault because he positioned himself badly for the hit
2.) It wasn't a big deal because Davenport actually managed to get off the ice
Unbelievable. But, I guess that's what you get for 7 bucks.
Yes, the best way to pay them back will be to stuff Lange's net with pucks.
[quote Johnny 5]What is even more amazing is that the b2 Network announcers (RPI feed) suggested that:
1.) It was Davenport's fault because he positioned himself badly for the hit
2.) It wasn't a big deal because Davenport actually managed to get off the ice
Unbelievable. But, I guess that's what you get for 7 bucks.[/quote]
Re: 1.) He said "Davenport shouldn't have positioned himsefl that way and left himself vulnerable like that. That's not a smart thing to do." And he later said something along the line of "Cornell is not going to shake hands with RPI, thus creating bad blood between the teams... when there really is no reason to have bad blood.. blah blah blah this is unnecessary.."
[quote Oat][quote Johnny 5]What is even more amazing is that the b2 Network announcers (RPI feed) suggested that:
1.) It was Davenport's fault because he positioned himself badly for the hit
2.) It wasn't a big deal because Davenport actually managed to get off the ice
Unbelievable. But, I guess that's what you get for 7 bucks.[/quote]
Re: 1.) He said "Davenport shouldn't have positioned himsefl that way and left himself vulnerable like that. That's not a smart thing to do." And he later said something along the line of "Cornell is not going to shake hands with RPI, thus creating bad blood between the teams... when there really is no reason to have bad blood.. blah blah blah this is unnecessary.."[/quote]
Three penalties at the end of the game. None necessary, one with the possibility of serious injury, and bad blood because of no handshake?::screwy::
Realizing that language is always an issue in hockey talk I think we should refrain from the use of "idiot" and "moron" on this thread. It's just wrong and subjects this forum to justified critical comments from the rest of the earth.
[quote Oat][quote lynah80]Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.[/quote]
No one is going to touch him though. everyone on our current team has too much talent to make the same selfless sacrifice that Paul Varteressian did when Nickerson came to town.[/quote]
How'd that work out for him again? ::crazy::
[quote daredevilcu][quote Oat][quote lynah80]Burgdoefer received a 5 minute major plus a game misconduct for hitting Joe Scali from behind on January 11, 2008 at RPI. I wouldn't want to be him at Lynah on Feb. 20. '09.[/quote]
No one is going to touch him though. everyone on our current team has too much talent to make the same selfless sacrifice that Paul Varteressian did when Nickerson came to town.[/quote]
How'd that work out for him again? ::crazy::[/quote]
I think he caught syphilis...::deadhorse::
1.00:37 M.Kennedy 8 (unassisted)
[quote lynah80]5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.[/quote]
Here's the video of the hit and the aftermath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PnJ-KfBIkw&feature=channel_page
[quote redliner][quote lynah80]5 minute major and game misconduct on Burdoerfer. He will miss RPI's next game because of that.
No handshake to end the game.[/quote]
Here's the video of the hit and the aftermath http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PnJ-KfBIkw&feature=channel_page[/quote]
Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect, that the hit was legal and that Davenport put on an acting job to sell it. By the looks of the video, it was clearly (to me anyway) boarding. It is also clear that Davenport took a very hard fall into the boards and was no doubt shaken up--why he would want to try to sell an injury (especially at the end of a game) is beyond logic. I'm not so sure whether the situation warranted beyond-minor penalties, from the video, because I am not sure that Davenport couldn't help slamming the board head first.
[quote imafrshmn]Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect, that the hit was legal and that Davenport put on an acting job to sell it. By the looks of the video, it was clearly (to me anyway) boarding. It is also clear that Davenport took a very hard fall into the boards and was no doubt shaken up--why he would want to try to sell an injury (especially at the end of a game) is beyond logic. I'm not so sure whether the situation warranted beyond-minor penalties, from the video, because I am not sure that Davenport couldn't help slamming the board head first.[/quote]
In real time I was sure it was a penalty. Then watching in slow motion I was momentarily unsure (Edit: I was fixated on the fact that he hit Davenport from the front) until I read the boarding rule:
Quote from: NCAA Hockey Rule BookSECTION 3. A player shall not body check, cross-check, elbow, charge or
trip an opponent from the front or side in such a manner that causes the
opponent to be thrown violently into the boards (see 6-23).
I don't see how you could argue that this wasn't the case here. Davenport was thrown violently into the boards. One could argue that the hit was legal and that Davenport was off balance and should have done more to protect himself but none of that matters according to the rule description. Besides, Burgdoerfer was clearly trying to shove Davenport into the boards. Notice the extension he gets at the end of the hit. This was a shove, not a check.
The ECAC issued supplemental discipline today for repeat offender, Erik Burgdoerfer (http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2008-09/news/20092101_Burgdoefer_Suspension). The two-game suspension is in addition to the one-game suspension Burgdoerfer earned with the game disqualification. The suspension is in response to Burgdoerfer's hitting-from-behind major/game misconduct in Friday's game against Colgate, as well as the boarding major/game disqualification at the end of Saturday's game.
In this morning's paper, Brandon Thomas wrote about Cornell's reactions to the play (http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090121/SPORTS/901210323).
I don't buy the RPI argument that Burgdoerfer's hit was a clean shoulder-to-shoulder check. It's true, but it misses the point. Boarding is the appropriate penalty to call when a hit that would have been legal in open ice causes a player to fly violently into the boards. Taylor Davenport was several feet from the boards and was off-balance and vulnerable when Burgdoerfer lit into him. In NCAA hockey, boarding by definition is a hit from the front or the side; a check from behind must be called hitting from behind, not boarding.
Burgdoerfer isn't going to win the Lady Byng any time soon, but this seemed more unfortunate than malicious. It wasn't Melrose or Nickerson.
He should send Davenport a get well soon, though. That was a scary fall.
[quote imafrshmn]Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect[/quote]"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses, but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.
[quote Trotsky]Burgdoerfer isn't going to win the Lady Byng any time soon, but this seemed more unfortunate than malicious. It wasn't Melrose or Nickerson.[/quote]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.
[quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.
[quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.[/quote]
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."
[quote imafrshmn]Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect
[quote Trotsky]"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses,[/quote][/quote]
Yes, that is what I meant, not implying anything about RPI fans in particular.
[quote Trotsky]but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.[/quote]
Thanks for this bit of experience. I have never met RPI fans in person or been to their rink. It does bother me though that lots of online ECAC hockey fans "hate" Cornell fans for being "classless" or "snobs" or whatever. Admittedly, I am only a student and don't personally know the Cornell fan community very well. However, from my 3+ years of going to games, I believe that our fans, while being intense and provocative, almost always know where to draw the line in serious matters of sportsmanship (like when opposing players are hurt at Lynah).
[quote ugarte][quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.[/quote]
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."[/quote]EXACTLY!The game is over, let it go.
From the IJ article about the Burgdoerfer hit:
[quote Ithaca Journal] As for Davenport's condition, the outlook for this weekend's games at Lynah isn't good.
"He's not better yet," Schafer said Tuesday. "We hope to get him back for maybe one game this week. We'll find out. He might not be back for either.
"Each day hopefully is a better one for him, which they have been so far," he added. "He hasn't practiced yet this week, so we'll see what (today) brings." [/quote]
[quote Trotsky][quote imafrshmn]Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect[/quote]"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses, but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.[/quote]I think that was just a florid way of saying that Ralph is old. :-D
[quote ugarte][quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.[/quote]
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."[/quote]
I am by no means excusing Burgdoefer's hit, but why was Taylor Davenport even going towards the net with such little time left in a already decided game? why not just dump it in and let the clock expire? Perhaps Mr. Burgdoefer thought Davenport was being a show boat...
[quote Dpperk29][quote ugarte][quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.[/quote]
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."[/quote]
I am by no means excusing Burgdoefer's hit, but why was Taylor Davenport even going towards the net with such little time left in a already decided game? why not just dump it in and let the clock expire? Perhaps Mr. Burgdoefer thought Davenport was being a show boat...[/quote]
From the Ithaca Journal article, it sounded like Schafer, et al, took exception to the run RPI took at Scrivens with just over a minute to go, so they kept playing full speed. Very unfortunate - if either team had taken the high road, this entire situation could have been avoided. :-/
[quote Robb][quote Dpperk29][quote ugarte][quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.[/quote]
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."[/quote]
I am by no means excusing Burgdoefer's hit, but why was Taylor Davenport even going towards the net with such little time left in a already decided game? why not just dump it in and let the clock expire? Perhaps Mr. Burgdoefer thought Davenport was being a show boat...[/quote]
From the Ithaca Journal article, it sounded like Schafer, et al, took exception to the run RPI took at Scrivens with just over a minute to go, so they kept playing full speed. Very unfortunate - if either team had taken the high road, this entire situation could have been avoided. :-/[/quote]
Within the same IJ article, here's Schafer's response, "Our guys will have a long memory when they come back to Lynah"
[quote redliner]Within the same IJ article, here's Schafer's response, "Our guys will have a long memory when they come back to Lynah"[/quote]
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote ugarte][quote Trotsky][quote KeithK]Maybe so. But the kid has a history of dangerous hits. If it's not malicious then he simply gets so frustrated that he stops caring. I'm not optimistic that another suspension will be enough to make him start thinking out there but the league has to penalize him severely for it.[/quote]Hey, granted. Context matters.[/quote]
And the context here includes "down 3-0 with one second left in the game."[/quote]EXACTLY!The game is over, let it go.[/quote]
In fairness, there have been a couple times in my slow pitch softball league that I have gotten worked up enough that I could imagine at least wanting to do what Burgdoefer did. So I can't condemn the kid too much.
Note: I have never sent seriously injured anyone in my softball games, intentionally or otherwise. Well, I have sent a teammate to the hospital for stitches but that was an accident.
[quote Kyle Rose][quote redliner]Within the same IJ article, here's Schafer's response, "Our guys will have a long memory when they come back to Lynah"[/quote]
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.[/quote]If suspensions could be structured intelligently, he would be suspended for that game rather than an undifferentiated next two games.
After seeing it for the first time, here's my thoughts:
The aftermath was bad, but the hit wasn't as bad as I expected. It was exacerbated by the fact that Davenport lost an edge and hit hard, but it wasn't a slam from behind directly into the boards.
However, neither was it so innocent. Davenport did not lose his edge afte the hit. He lost it just before or during, and he still went through with it and, furthermore, finished it off with a nice extra shove.
It was stupid, it was dangerous, and it was deserving of repercussions. It just wasn't the most blatant or dangerous there's ever been.
[quote DeltaOne81]After seeing it for the first time, here's my thoughts:
The aftermath was bad, but the hit wasn't as bad as I expected. It was exacerbated by the fact that Davenport lost an edge and hit hard, but it wasn't a slam from behind directly into the boards.
However, neither was it so innocent. Davenport did not lose his edge afte the hit. He lost it just before or during, and he still went through with it and, furthermore, finished it off with a nice extra shove.
It was stupid, it was dangerous, and it was deserving of repercussions. It just wasn't the most blatant or dangerous there's ever been.[/quote]That sums my thoughts up fairly well. From reading about the aftermath and suspension before seeing that video, I expected it to have looked a lot worse.
[quote Josh '99][quote Trotsky][quote imafrshmn]Lots of RPI fans on USCHO have said, as we should expect[/quote]"Expect" in the sense that people are going to see through partisan glasses, but in our experience here and on USCHO, the vast majority of RPI's fans are pretty exemplary in sportsmanship and maturity.[/quote]I think that was just a florid way of saying that Ralph is old. :-D[/quote]:-}
[quote imafrshmn]It does bother me though that lots of online ECAC hockey fans "hate" Cornell fans for being "classless" or "snobs" or whatever. Admittedly, I am only a student and don't personally know the Cornell fan community very well. However, from my 3+ years of going to games, I believe that our fans, while being intense and provocative, almost always know where to draw the line in serious matters of sportsmanship (like when opposing players are hurt at Lynah).[/quote]
Most people who don't like Cornell fans are the other upstate New York fans (Colgate, Clarkson, Union, and RPI). It isn't anything that we do in particular.
So many people in America hate the Yankees. You can find so many Yankees haters in every town, every state (not just in Boston). When seriously asked why, their answer is "we just do. Yankees suck. we just hate'em."
People tend to hate the elite / the strong.
[quote Kyle Rose]
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.[/quote]
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.
[quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.
[quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?
[quote Josh '99][quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?[/quote]
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...
[quote ben03][quote Josh '99][quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?[/quote]
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...[/quote]That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
[quote lynah80][quote Kyle Rose]
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.[/quote]
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.[/quote]
If that is a concern of yours, that speaks to the discipline and character of the team and Schafer. Watching it the first few times, I didn't see much of a call, then the extended arms were pointed out and the rule was quoted. Having that information, it's definitely a penalty, possibly a major, definitely not more than that if there is any time left on the clock. The DQ would have been sufficient penalty for the events of the weekend, imho. The league didn't need to slap three extra games on there -- had there not been a DQ, a one or two game suspension might have been warranted.
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof) :-D
[quote daredevilcu][quote lynah80][quote Kyle Rose]
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.[/quote]
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.[/quote]
If that is a concern of yours, that speaks to the discipline and character of the team and Schafer. Watching it the first few times, I didn't see much of a call, then the extended arms were pointed out and the rule was quoted. Having that information, it's definitely a penalty, possibly a major, definitely not more than that if there is any time left on the clock. The DQ would have been sufficient penalty for the events of the weekend, imho. The league didn't need to slap three extra games on there -- had there not been a DQ, a one or two game suspension might have been warranted.
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof) :-D[/quote]
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.
[quote lynah80][quote daredevilcu]I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof) :-D[/quote]
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.[/quote]
OMG, won't somebody please stop the woofing?!!
[quote lynah80][quote daredevilcu][quote lynah80][quote Kyle Rose]
If Appert knows what's good for his team, he'll bench Burgdoefer for that game.[/quote]
I agree. If the Big Red goes after him, the ensuing penalties could cost them the game.[/quote]
If that is a concern of yours, that speaks to the discipline and character of the team and Schafer. Watching it the first few times, I didn't see much of a call, then the extended arms were pointed out and the rule was quoted. Having that information, it's definitely a penalty, possibly a major, definitely not more than that if there is any time left on the clock. The DQ would have been sufficient penalty for the events of the weekend, imho. The league didn't need to slap three extra games on there -- had there not been a DQ, a one or two game suspension might have been warranted.
I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof) :-D[/quote]
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.[/quote]
It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."
[quote Robb]It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."[/quote]
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.
[quote Josh '99][quote ben03][quote Josh '99][quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?[/quote]
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...[/quote]That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.[/quote]
Oh yeah? (http://www.davidmburrow.com/michigan.mid)
[quote Give My Regards][quote Robb]It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."[/quote]
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.[/quote]So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.
[quote marty][quote Josh '99][quote ben03][quote Josh '99][quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?[/quote]
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...[/quote]That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.[/quote]
Oh yeah? (http://www.davidmburrow.com/michigan.mid)[/quote]
[quote From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band]
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
[/quote]
I have a lot of friends at work who went to Michigan so it's always fun to bust this out :-p
[quote Josh '99][quote Give My Regards][quote Robb]It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."[/quote]
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.[/quote]So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.[/quote]
Which begs the question, how many CCT technicians does it take to change two light bulbs?(http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/images/smilies/au.gif)
[quote marty][quote Josh '99][quote Give My Regards][quote Robb]It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."[/quote]
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.[/quote]So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.[/quote]
Which begs the question, how many CCT technicians does it take to change two light bulbs?(http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/images/smilies/au.gif)[/quote]
I don't know about technicians, but it takes about 700 students. 1 to screw in the bulb, and 699 to go crazy when it turns on! ::rock::
[quote daredevilcu][quote marty][quote Josh '99][quote Give My Regards][quote Robb]It would have been a lot more believable if you'd said "tell them not to bother changing Cornell's goal light, since Clarkson won't be scoring at all."[/quote]
But the teams switch ends at intermission, so... oh, never mind.[/quote]So they should be sure to have one good light bulb and one burnt out one on hand and switch them between periods, clearly.[/quote]
Which begs the question, how many CCT technicians does it take to change two light bulbs?(http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/images/smilies/au.gif)[/quote]
I don't know about technicians, but it takes about 700 students. 1 to screw in the bulb, and 699 to go crazy when it turns on! ::rock::[/quote]
Well since don't consider yourselves technicians are you at least junior techs?
[quote Kyle Rose][quote lynah80][quote daredevilcu]I hope Davenport is OK, I wouldn't want the Big Red to be less than full strength when they lose in Cheel in two weeks when I'm up there (woof woof) :-D[/quote]
Please ask the Cheel maintenance crew to change the bulbs in the goal lamps before the Cornell game. The Big Red will be using them a lot.[/quote]
OMG, won't somebody please stop the woofing?!![/quote]
Thank you...
[quote nr53][quote marty][quote Josh '99][quote ben03][quote Josh '99][quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?[/quote]
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...[/quote]That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.[/quote]
Oh yeah? (http://www.davidmburrow.com/michigan.mid)[/quote]
[quote From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band]
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
[/quote]
I have a lot of friends at work who went to Michigan so it's always fun to bust this out :-p[/quote]
I had a friend at Cornell who was a transfer from Purdue. He knew the same version, except I think he sang "cesspool of the world."
Edit: Oh and thank you. Now I have that fucking song stuck in my head. ::flipc::
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote nr53][quote marty][quote Josh '99][quote ben03][quote Josh '99][quote nyc94][quote Oat]People tend to hate the elite / the strong.[/quote]
True but there are plenty of reasons to hate the Yankees. I get tired of the Minnesota fans on USCHO saying that everyone is jealous of their team's success, especially as measured by NCAA titles. By that logic I should hate Michigan or Denver more - but I don't.[/quote]Maybe everyone is jealous of their success as measured by... mascot head-spinning?[/quote]
or maybe their ability to spell en masse ...[/quote]That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.[/quote]
Oh yeah? (http://www.davidmburrow.com/michigan.mid)[/quote]
[quote From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band]
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
[/quote]
I have a lot of friends at work who went to Michigan so it's always fun to bust this out :-p[/quote]
I had a friend at Cornell who was a transfer from Purdue. He knew the same version, except I think he sang "cesspool of the world."
Edit: Oh and thank you. Now I have that fucking song stuck in my head. ::flipc::[/quote]I think it works better with "To hell with" than "Hail to".
I'm a business student, don't ask me what the engineers want to be called these days. They're all nuts no matter what school you go to anyway.
[quote daredevilcu]I'm a business student, don't ask me what the engineers want to be called these days.[/quote]"Employed."
I'll take Songs the Cornell Pep Band Can't Play at Lynah for 800, Alex.
[quote From a friend who used to be in the Illinois marching band]
Hail to the Mother ****ers,
Hail to the Big **** ****ers,
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West,
Hail to the Fornicators,
Hail to the Masterbaters
Hail Hail to Michigan the cesspoll of the West...
[/quote]
What is Hail to the Victors?
[quote marty][quote Josh '99]That cheer is so annoying that I think I'd rather listen to the Michigan band play their fight song over and over and over and over and over and over and over.[/quote]
Oh yeah? (http://www.davidmburrow.com/michigan.mid)[/quote]
Given how pathetic midi files are in the first place, what's more pathetic is that our toolish friend here has (1) substituted the bridge for the intro, (2) screwed up the bridge, and (3) generally messed up the harmonies.
Go BLUE!!! I love Michigan, yea!!!111
Guess who leads the league in penalties-in-minutes? No, you don't get 3 guesses. He has 72 with next closest 58 in overall games. If there were more minutes for ECAC imposed penalties, then it would be astronomical.
He already has more ECAC PIM this year than every player last year and 25 more than the next closest in ECAC play this year. Yeah, I know that the 10 min ones add up quickly, but that's the point.
I guess it's clear the pattern of his career, rather than the hit on Davenport, is what lead to the ECAC penalty.
[quote Jim Hyla]I guess it's clear the pattern of his career, rather than the hit on Davenport, is what lead to the ECAC penalty.[/quote]
Can anybody think of another occasion in which a player left one game with a game misconduct and followed it up in the ensuing game with a game disqualification? I can't.
He also had a 10-min misconduct against Quinnipiac on 11/15/08 for slashing the goalie after the whistle.
Should this guy be allowed on the ice with a stick?
2008-2009
Rank Team Penalties-for-PIM PIM/gm
1 Ferris State 234-for-592 22.77
2 Mercyhurst 205-for-523 20.92
3 Rensselaer 200-for-517 20.68
4 Wisconsin 237-for-531 20.42
5 Michigan 211-for-515 19.81
It's part of their team culture.