BU lost to PC last night 4-2, so Cornell moved to #1 in the KRACH and Pairwise rankings. Kieran Millan was not in net; no reason was given. Grant Rollheiser (Fr, 2.66 GAA, 0.877 save%) gave up 4 goals on 25 shots.
Shows how volatile PWR can be (especially after only half a season). BU drops from #1 all the way to #5 with one loss.
So, being #1 in the land right now means the new bracketology will have us in Colorado Springs, right?
[quote DeltaOne81]So, being #1 in the land right now means the new bracketology will have us in Colorado Springs, right?[/quote]
Unless there's a regional being hosted in Vladivostok, in which case we'll be sent there.
[quote DeltaOne81]So, being #1 in the land right now means the new bracketology will have us in Colorado Springs, right?[/quote]
Yes, since I've heard Cornell would love to get in a ski trip around the games.
This discussion reminds me of something I posted on the USCHO "April Fool's day" thread in 2006:
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2007 NCAA Tournament: Cornell to be sent to 1978, play USSR
Marty Scarano, the chairman of the NCAA Ice Hockey Tournament's selection committee, announced today that Cornell University will be sent through time to Moscow in 1978 to face the USSR in the 2007 tournament.
"We felt that after sending them to play Minnesota in St. Paul in 2005 and Wisconsin in Green Bay in 2006, we needed to come up with another way to screw the Big Red," Scarano said. "This seemed perfect."
When asked by reporters if this pairing was dictated by the RPI and PWR, Scarano replied, "I have no idea what those terms mean. We usually just pull 'em out of a hat and vaguely justify it all later."
Cornell coach Mike Schafer seemed determined to meet this new challenge. "We may be the Big Red, but the USSR hockey team circa 1978 is the bigger red. Still, we think we can get it done. They can't say that ECAC teams don't play a tough schedule after this matchup. Maybe now we can get Dave McKee to come back...he always wanted to travel through time."
Mike Eruzione could not be reached for comment.
Considering the time travel, many of our players would still have all four years of elegibility left!::banana::
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]Considering the time travel, many of our players would still have all four years of elegibility left!::banana::[/quote]True, but they won't have been born yet, either. That's going to be tough on faceoffs.
[quote Trotsky][quote Jeff Hopkins '82]Considering the time travel, many of our players would still have all four years of elegibility left!::banana::[/quote]True, but they won't have been born yet, either. That's going to be tough on faceoffs.[/quote]
When asked about this, Scarano said, "Precisely. We thought of that before we decided to send them to 1978." ::laugh::
Two guys from BU got roughed up by Merrimack last night. Chris Higgins (F, 10, 11, 21, +0) suffered a concussion and Matt Gilroy (D, 3, 11, 14 +8) a separated shoulder. According to BU's coach Jack Parker, the refs let the game get out of hand. Let's hope they are both back to normal soon so Cornell can beat BU at their A game if they face them in the NCAA tournament.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/01/17_gilroy.php
Matt Gilroy must be a fast healer. He was back on the ice tonight against BC and managed to score a goal. Separated shoulder?
BU 5 BC 2
Notre Dame 3, Lake Superior 3
Notre Dame has yet to defeat a top-10 team. SOS Rk = 34
[quote lynah80]Matt Gilroy must be a fast healer. He was back on the ice tonight against BC and managed to score a goal. Separated shoulder?
BU 5 BC 2[/quote]
As a medical student (which doesn't mean I necessarily know anything), I feel I should mention that there are at least six official types of separated shoulders -- the least severe of which is usually treated with just ice and Advil.
Still, returning to play in less than 24 hours is pretty impressive.
Thank you, I didn't know there were 6 grades of shoulder separation. So Advil is now the drug of choice. No more "take two aspirin and call me in the morning"?
6 grades... Grr.. I was diagnosed with type 1 and they gave me an advil and told me to go home. Stupid doctors. How did they miss the bone sticking out in my shoulder?
1 week later I went back to the hospital and they correctly diagnosed type 3. Took about 6 months to heal (Although the bone sticks out forever)
I had a typeII...couldn't lift my arm for weeks (and the most amazing bruise that spread down my torso). Years later, I cringe when I think of it.
When I watch football and they say some guy dislocated his shoulder 2 weeks ago and he's out there now...I wonder what the hell kind of drugs they're dispensing.
I wouldn't want to play hockey 1 week after any shoulder separation...type I or whatever. I guess I'm just not that tough.
CK
[quote lynah80]Thank you, I didn't know there were 6 grades of shoulder separation. So Advil is now the drug of choice. No more "take two aspirin and call me in the morning"?[/quote]
When I was playing rugby, I got my knee banged up in a late-November game. Knowing there was a hockey game that night, and that the training room would be staffed, I stopped in to have the knee examined. The trainer told me it looked like I'd probably strained some ligaments (I think it turned out to be the MCL, but the memory is fuzzy). Anyway, what I loved was his advice: "Take some aspirin and go out and have a few beers."
[quote Killer][quote lynah80]Thank you, I didn't know there were 6 grades of shoulder separation. So Advil is now the drug of choice. No more "take two aspirin and call me in the morning"?[/quote]
When I was playing rugby, I got my knee banged up in a late-November game. Knowing there was a hockey game that night, and that the training room would be staffed, I stopped in to have the knee examined. The trainer told me it looked like I'd probably strained some ligaments (I think it turned out to be the MCL, but the memory is fuzzy). Anyway, what I loved was his advice: "Take some aspirin and go out and have a few beers."[/quote]Well, I'd find a new trainer. ASA and beer, great combo, if you want to have a bleeding ulcer that is.
Just perusing the current PWR (1/18), and noticed that things are really breaking our way in terms of TUCs. It doesn't even show up in the PWR yet, since we've only played 7 TUC games right now, but we'll certainly hit 10 by the end of the ECAC tournament, which should help cement our PWR comparisons against several schools.
Right now, we're 5-1-1 against TUCs, with wins against (in RPI): #8 (Princeton), #15 (Dartmouth), #19 (SCSU), #21 (NoDak), and #24 (SLU), with our Tie against #16 (Quinnipiac). I think we can all remember the only team we lost to so far. :)
On the outside looking in (at being TUCs) are #26 Yale, #28 Union, #31 Colgate, and #32 Niagara (unlikely to make it to TUC status, but boy wouldn't that be great?). As far as ECAC teams, there's then a huge dropoff to #47 Harvard.
So SLU could bounce in or out, but if they are out, they'll probably be replaced by Yale or Union. Looking at our schedule, then, our remaining games against possible TUCs are #26 Yale (x2), #24 SLU, #16 Quinnipiac, #8 Princeton, #15 Dartmouth, and #28 Union.
If we assume that only 1 of SLU, Yale, and Union ends up as a TUC, we'll end up the regular season with 11 games against TUCs (13 if 2 of the 3 are TUCs). If SCSU and NoDak stay about where they are, then 9 of our 11 TUC games are against teams #15-25, and if 2 of SLU, Yale, and Union are there, then it's 11 out of 13! Wow - talk about taking advantage of the TUC cliff...
Taking it one step farther (further? Does a metaphorical step still count as distance?) into dangerous geekery territory: For TUC comparison purposes, it doesn't matter how OUR remaining TUC games go, since H2H games are not considered when calculating the TUC win % for PWR. Therefore, if we currently have a better record against TUCs than team X, then team X has to improve its record against TUCs by beating someone other than Cornell. (conversely, if team Y currently has a better TUC record than us, we have to beat other TUCs besides team Y to catch them). Right now, the only team whose record vs. TUCs is better than ours is Princeton, at 6-1 (.857) (not counting their loss to us). Our record against non-Princeton TUCs is 4-1-1 (.750). To improve our TUC record enough to beat Princeton in this category, we'd need to win 5 more games vs. non-Princeton TUCs to get to 9-1-1 (.864) assuming that they maintain their current .857.
Flipping that around and looking at how many additional TUC wins the other 23 TUCs (not us and not Princeton) need to catch us, the team in the best shape is BU, who would only need 4 additional wins (and no more losses) to catch us. Next are Notre Dame and USAFA at 7 wins each. The other teams are all in double digits, from Dartmouth at 10 TUC wins needed up to North Dakota at 34. North Dakota is an outlier, though because our only TUC loss was to them, so for TUC comparison purposes with them, our record is 4-0-1 (.900), so it takes a lot of wins for them to catch us. Furthermore, each additional loss that one of these teams takes against a TUC means that they'd need approximately 4 more wins (on top of what they already needed) in order to catch us, since our win % is approximately 4-1. In short, IF (big if) we can continue beating TUCs at a .786 clip, we're virtually guaranteed to pick up the TUC comparison category against every other team except Princeton when we hit 10 games. Since we're already winning every PWR comparison without even taking TUCs into account...
Let's say Yale and SLU both end up as TUCs, giving us 6 more regular season games against TUCs. Assuming that we end up with the #1 seed in the ECAC tourney, our 2nd round games will be against (at best) the #8 ECAC team, who will not be a TUC. Assuming we make it to Albany, though, those teams almost certainly will be TUCs, so that's a total of 8 more TUC games. To maintain our current .786 clip, we'd have to go 6-1-1 in those games (5-1-2 is .750). Even if we did slightly worse than that, we're so far ahead of most teams in TUC that we'll still take the TUC point to solidify the comparison.
This is actually a little bit more margin than I though we had - I was expecting to find out that we really couldn't afford to drop any TUC games, and am pleasantly surprised to find that we can. But let's also not kid ourselves that going 6-1-1 in our remaining TUC games (including 2 at Albany) is any sort of cake walk, either. Still, it's getting to the point in the season where you really have to start thinking that Cornell really does have a good shot at a #1 seed, if not the #1 overall.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote Killer][quote lynah80]Thank you, I didn't know there were 6 grades of shoulder separation. So Advil is now the drug of choice. No more "take two aspirin and call me in the morning"?[/quote]
When I was playing rugby, I got my knee banged up in a late-November game. Knowing there was a hockey game that night, and that the training room would be staffed, I stopped in to have the knee examined. The trainer told me it looked like I'd probably strained some ligaments (I think it turned out to be the MCL, but the memory is fuzzy). Anyway, what I loved was his advice: "Take some aspirin and go out and have a few beers."[/quote]Well, I'd find a new trainer. ASA and beer, great combo, if you want to have a bleeding ulcer that is.[/quote]Out of curiosity, if one were to want to take painkillers and then go out drinking, what painkiller would be the best choice?
To get the most bang for your buck, you want to give blood, THEN take a couple Asprin and go drinking. It is... most impressive.
[quote Josh '99]Out of curiosity, if one were to want to take painkillers and then go out drinking, what painkiller would be the best choice?[/quote]
There is no such thing as a pharmaceutical painkiller with which it's safe to drink alcohol. Sometimes the damage you're risking is more of a long-term nature, like the liver damage you can get from mixing alcohol with acetaminophen (Tylenol), so you won't feel it the next day or the next week, but it's still a risk.
[quote Josh '99][quote Jim Hyla][quote Killer][quote lynah80]Thank you, I didn't know there were 6 grades of shoulder separation. So Advil is now the drug of choice. No more "take two aspirin and call me in the morning"?[/quote]
When I was playing rugby, I got my knee banged up in a late-November game. Knowing there was a hockey game that night, and that the training room would be staffed, I stopped in to have the knee examined. The trainer told me it looked like I'd probably strained some ligaments (I think it turned out to be the MCL, but the memory is fuzzy). Anyway, what I loved was his advice: "Take some aspirin and go out and have a few beers."[/quote]Well, I'd find a new trainer. ASA and beer, great combo, if you want to have a bleeding ulcer that is.[/quote]Out of curiosity, if one were to want to take painkillers and then go out drinking, what painkiller would be the best choice?[/quote]Tylenol, as far as over-the-counter meds. ASA, Advil, and Aleve (and their generic equivalents) can all bother the stomach, as can EtOH, and they all inhibit platelets. Platelets are blood clotting cells, so inhibiting them increases the chance of bleeding.::drunk::::help::
[quote Beeeej][quote Josh '99]Out of curiosity, if one were to want to take painkillers and then go out drinking, what painkiller would be the best choice?[/quote]
There is no such thing as a pharmaceutical painkiller with which it's safe to drink alcohol. Sometimes the damage you're risking is more of a long-term nature, like the liver damage you can get from mixing alcohol with acetaminophen (Tylenol), so you won't feel it the next day or the next week, but it's still a risk.[/quote]Well, you'd need to take a lot of Tylenol for this to be a real issue. Taking 2 Tylenol and then going drinking is not a sig more risk than just going drinking. So if you need a painkiller, use Tylenol.
[quote Jim Hyla]Well, you'd need to take a lot of Tylenol for this to be a real issue[/quote]
That's not as clear as you make it sound.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2354/does-tylenol-alcohol-liver-failure-plus
[quote Kyle Rose][quote Jim Hyla]Well, you'd need to take a lot of Tylenol for this to be a real issue[/quote]
That's not as clear as you make it sound.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2354/does-tylenol-alcohol-liver-failure-plus[/quote]Yes it is. These people all took sig doses of Tylenol, not 2 ESTylenol (2-500mg). And they were generally chronic alcoholics. So it is still safe to take 2 ESTylenol and go drinking. And of course, nothing is 100% safe, not even walking out your back door.
And the question was what painkiller would be the best choice, not which has no problems.
[quote Jim Hyla]And the question was what painkiller would be the best choice, not which has no problems.[/quote]
NSAIDs/COX-2 inhibitors are fine, in that they have no specific alcohol interaction issues. I don't know anything about aspirin, having never taken it myself.
I think it's prudent to avoid acetaminophen with alcohol because most people simply don't know if they're one of the people who will have an especially hard time metabolizing both at the same time. Most people who mix the two will be fine; but why tempt fate? Live with the headacheknee pain, or choose another drug.
I think you're being a bit optimistic. St Cloud isn't playing well and has a tough remaining schedule. Quinnipiac is only .01 RPI points ahead of MN State.
This is now conference time, with few NC games for any team. As the marginal TUC teams in the ECAC play each other over the next 7 weeks, and given the RPI emphasis on OO records, all the ECAC teams including Cornell will gradually sink in RPI. Best thing to hope for is the Q and Dartmouth finishing strong along with St Cloud and UMASS, and either Union or St Lawrence. Then if things break right we'll get a couple TUCs in Allbany. But it could be very, very close. Given the strength of Hockey East and the WCHA don't be surprised to see Mass-Lowell or UMass, along with MN State, knock the likes of Union, St. Lawrence or the Q out of TUC.
[quote Kyle Rose][quote Jim Hyla]And the question was what painkiller would be the best choice, not which has no problems.[/quote]
NSAIDs/COX-2 inhibitors are fine, in that they have no specific alcohol interaction issues. I don't know anything about aspirin, having never taken it myself.[/quote]Well, NSAIDs are not fine. ASA is an NSAID, and like all NSAIDs, except the one COX-2 Celebrex (not available except by Rx, so I don't think it applies here), all of them can interact with EtOH to cause GI upset. As I posted before they also all inhibit blood clotting. That is a bad thing if you develop stomach bleeding. Stomach problems from NSAIDs, with or without EtOH, are far more likely than liver problems from 2 Tylenol.
In medicine we don't deal in absolutes, although some lawyers would like you to believe that; we deal in likeliness. In this case I still feel strongly that 2 Tylenol with EtOH is a much safer combination.
BU just dropped to #3 at INCH, with Cornell moving up to #2 (1/19/09). INCH must have been disappointed by the PC loss, despite the win over BC and the amazing recovery of Matt Gilroy.
I wonder how injured Gilroy's shoulder really was in the Merrimack game. Jack Parker (BU coach) said it was separated but he seems to have trouble keeping the details straight. Here's a quote from CHN:
"Players should be protected and I haven't seen it done all year. A few minutes into the game we have a guy take a hit from behind, right in the numbers, and there doesn't seem to be any consequence (note: there was a five-minute major and a misconduct to Merrimack's Mickey Rego). My two guys got cold-cocked. Vicious runs by the opposition. There is no (expletive) need for that whatsoever, and they got two-minute penalties."
I don't want to belittle Gilroy's injury, but I do question Parker's credibility.
Air Force seems to be eager to make room for someone in the top 25, with their zero point weekend against Canisius.
[quote Jim Hyla]As I posted before they also all inhibit blood clotting. That is a bad thing if you develop stomach bleeding. Stomach problems from NSAIDs, with or without EtOH, are far more likely than liver problems from 2 Tylenol.[/quote]
Hmmm... my understanding was that the COX-1 inhibition effect of NSAIDs allowed stomach acid to break down the lining of the stomach *over time*, but that one-time (or even several-time) use was not really an issue. Perhaps I've been edumucated wrong.
[quote Kyle Rose][quote Jim Hyla]As I posted before they also all inhibit blood clotting. That is a bad thing if you develop stomach bleeding. Stomach problems from NSAIDs, with or without EtOH, are far more likely than liver problems from 2 Tylenol.[/quote]
Hmmm... my understanding was that the COX-1 inhibition effect of NSAIDs allowed stomach acid to break down the lining of the stomach *over time*, but that one-time (or even several-time) use was not really an issue. Perhaps I've been edumucated wrong.[/quote]
No, you are essentially correct. It's very unlikely that a single use of an NSAID will cause stomach bleeding, just like it's exceedingly unlikely, that 2 Tylenol will cause liver failure. However, since you brought up Tylenol causing liver failure, I felt it necessary to reemphasize that GI problems from NSAIDs are far more likely than liver failure from Tylenol.
My point is NSAIDs and EtOH are far more likely to cause problems than Tylenol and EtOH. However neither are likely to cause problems with a single use. That's why they are over-the-counter drugs, they are all relatively safe. But for me, I'd take a Tylenol if I were going to use EtOh.
How is a conference winner, AF in this case, handled as to TUC at season end. Even if their 30th in the RPI are they treated as one of the 25 TUCs because they're going to the dance?
[quote Ken70]How is a conference winner, AF in this case, handled as to TUC at season end. Even if their 30th in the RPI are they treated as one of the 25 TUCs because they're going to the dance?[/quote]
No, they are not considered a TUC. They used to be, but that was changed a couple years ago - one of the many tweaks to the PWR *process* because of an undesirable *outcome*...
Would you guys give this up already? You're driving me crazy ::nut::
The whole point of the story was that the prescription was beer, not painkillers. BEER!!!! ::drunk::
[quote Robb][quote Ken70]How is a conference winner, AF in this case, handled as to TUC at season end. Even if their 30th in the RPI are they treated as one of the 25 TUCs because they're going to the dance?[/quote]
No, they are not considered a TUC. They used to be, but that was changed a couple years ago - one of the many tweaks to the PWR *process* because of an undesirable *outcome*...[/quote]
Air Force also dropped out of first place in Atlantic Hockey.
RIT 13-4-1
A F 12-3-1
As of 1/19/09
[quote lynah80]
RIT 13-4-1
A F 12-3-1
As of 1/19/09[/quote]
::banana::
[quote Killer]Would you guys give this up already? You're driving me crazy ::nut::
The whole point of the story was that the prescription was beer, not painkillers. BEER!!!! ::drunk::[/quote]But you're learning something, aren't you?::idea::
[quote jtwcornell91][quote lynah80]
RIT 13-4-1
A F 12-3-1
As of 1/19/09[/quote]
::banana::[/quote]
Whatever, newbie.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote Killer]Would you guys give this up already? You're driving me crazy ::nut::
The whole point of the story was that the prescription was beer, not painkillers. BEER!!!! ::drunk::[/quote]But you're learning something, aren't you?::idea::[/quote]Between this and the discussion in the Polls thread, I'm learning that some discussions can be skimmed. :-}
So... Tylenol, then? :-D
[quote Josh '99]So... Tylenol, then? :-D[/quote]
And Beer. Lots and lots of beer. ::drunk::
[quote lynah80]
Air Force also dropped out of first place in Atlantic Hockey.
RIT 13-4-1
A F 12-3-1
As of 1/19/09[/quote]
... although Air Force still has two games in hand and currently leads in win percentage, .781 to .750.
BOO, painkillers. Hooray, BEER! ::drunk::
(or ::deadhorse:: )
[quote Robb][quote Josh '99]So... Tylenol, then? :-D[/quote]
And Beer. Lots and lots of beer. ::drunk::[/quote]I thought that generally went without saying.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote Killer]Would you guys give this up already? You're driving me crazy ::nut::
The whole point of the story was that the prescription was beer, not painkillers. BEER!!!! ::drunk::[/quote]But you're learning something, aren't you?::idea::[/quote]
I wish that were the case. But the combination a few years back of a lot of cycling, a sore knee (yeah, probably that old rugby injury), diverticula, and Extra Strength Anacin taught me just about all I ever need to know regarding NSAIDs, platelets, etc.
(All - recommend that you don't PM me for details)
Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html
[quote Josh '99][quote Robb][quote Josh '99]So... Tylenol, then? :-D[/quote]
And Beer. Lots and lots of beer. ::drunk::[/quote]I thought that generally went without saying.[/quote]
I don't think even the most inane of concepts go without saying on ELF.
[quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.[/quote]
C'mon ECAC. We're gonna step it up and have more than two teams there right?
[quote Oat][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.[/quote]
C'mon ECAC. We're gonna step it up and have more than two teams there right?[/quote]
All other things being equal, with the current numbers that would require someone other than Cornell or Princeton to win the ECAC tournament. And since we're entering the in-conference-only stretch of the season, the ECAC's numbers aren't likely to change all that much without some serious external help.
[quote Beeeej][quote Oat][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.[/quote]
C'mon ECAC. We're gonna step it up and have more than two teams there right?[/quote]
All other things being equal, with the current numbers that would require someone other than Cornell or Princeton to win the ECAC tournament. And since we're entering the in-conference-only stretch of the season, the ECAC's numbers aren't likely to change all that much without some serious external help.[/quote]
Well, there's still the Beanpot. ::crazy::
[quote Swampy][quote Beeeej][quote Oat][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.[/quote]
C'mon ECAC. We're gonna step it up and have more than two teams there right?[/quote]
All other things being equal, with the current numbers that would require someone other than Cornell or Princeton to win the ECAC tournament. And since we're entering the in-conference-only stretch of the season, the ECAC's numbers aren't likely to change all that much without some serious external help.[/quote]
Well, there's still the Beanpot. ::crazy::[/quote]
Since it would probably take an act of God to cause an ECAC win there, I guess that qualifies as "serious external help."::whistle::
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote Swampy][quote Beeeej][quote Oat][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.[/quote]
C'mon ECAC. We're gonna step it up and have more than two teams there right?[/quote]
All other things being equal, with the current numbers that would require someone other than Cornell or Princeton to win the ECAC tournament. And since we're entering the in-conference-only stretch of the season, the ECAC's numbers aren't likely to change all that much without some serious external help.[/quote]
Well, the new Messiah did go to Hahvahd Law...
Well, there's still the Beanpot. ::crazy::[/quote]
Since it would probably take an act of God to cause an ECAC win there, I guess that qualifies as "serious external help."::whistle::[/quote]
[quote KeithK][quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote Swampy][quote Beeeej][quote Oat][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Dartmouth tied Holy Cross tonight, which didn't help.
Anyway, the current predicted brackets look like this:
http://www.uscho.com/news/id,16449/BracketologyJan212009.html[/quote]I'd take it. Let's start the NCAAs this weekend.[/quote]
C'mon ECAC. We're gonna step it up and have more than two teams there right?[/quote]
All other things being equal, with the current numbers that would require someone other than Cornell or Princeton to win the ECAC tournament. And since we're entering the in-conference-only stretch of the season, the ECAC's numbers aren't likely to change all that much without some serious external help.[/quote]
Well, the new Messiah did go to Hahvahd Law...
I thought he plays basketball, not hockey. ("Two minutes for an illegal screen, but you can give yourself a pardon .")
Well, there's still the Beanpot. ::crazy::[/quote]
Since it would probably take an act of God to cause an ECAC win there, I guess that qualifies as "serious external help."::whistle::[/quote][/quote]
The loss to Yale cost Cornell a lot in RPI and TUC. Yale is now in the top 25, so the Big Red moves to 0.582 and 4-2-1 (0.643). Still, there are a lot of games left. Hopefully, the team will bounce back strongly against Brown. It's unfortunate that Jordan Berk left, with two defensemen (Kreuger and Davenport) questionable for the game.
3 Point weekend for St. Cloud against CC.
4-4
6-1
That will move St. Cloud up somewhat.
Interesting twists to the pairwise now. Yale makes the tournament, and as a host, gets a favorable location no less!
http://www.uscho.com/blogs/uscho/bracketology
Of course, 6+ more weeks to play.
NoDak movin' on up in the WCHA.::whistle::
[quote Chris 02]Interesting twists to the pairwise before last night's games. Yale makes the tournament, and as a host, gets a favorable location no less!
http://www.uscho.com/blogs/uscho/bracketology
Of course, 6+ more weeks to play.[/quote]
FYP. That bracketology was based on a PWR where we were tied for third; now we're tied for fourth after Saturday's games.
[quote Beeeej][quote Chris 02]Interesting twists to the pairwise before last night's games. Yale makes the tournament, and as a host, gets a favorable location no less!
http://www.uscho.com/blogs/uscho/bracketology
Of course, 6+ more weeks to play.[/quote]
FYP. That bracketology was based on a PWR where we were tied for third; now we're tied for fourth after Saturday's games.[/quote]
Yeah, after last night, if you're playing at home, I think we would be in Minneapolis playing UMD. Michigan vs. Minnesota would be the other game.
Woohoo! Let's hear it for big (home) ice and fast teams!
PS Just imagine the hemming and hawing if we were to remain a #1 seed and Yale and Princeton were to drop to #13 and #14. [Rubs hands gleefully.] If the #1 seeds were the same as now, (1) we would be playing Air Force or Niagara, (2) we would have to be placed in Manchester, and (3) Vermont would be cata-paulted out to Minneapolis, even though a higher seed.
EDIT: Well, I suppose we could play Air Force or Niagara in Minneapolis, but, still, imagine the grousing from all sides...
If UMass wins today, they will remain a TUC, which will keep Cornell at 6-3 going into next weekend. A Cornell win against Princeton may gave them 10 TUC, but will not move them up against BU, NDame or Vermont. However, it will keep them ahead of Michigan.
Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.
[quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
Agreed. Nothing ironic about it. Go Cantabs!!
Ugh. I just threw up in my mouth a little.::yark::
Sorry, it took my nose a couple of seconds to find the more interesting scenario.
Yale hosts Bridgeport and UNH hosts Manchester. So, imagine the seeds as:
1 BU 16 Ni
2 ND 15 AF
3 Vt 14 NH (switch) 13 Ya ---> Bridgeport
4 Cr 13 Ya 14 NH ---> Manchester
So, the committee would be faced with shipping BU out West to face Air Force or Niagara or keeping them east to play a high seed closer to home. Oh, the humanity!
Of course, what would happen is that Vermont would get shipped out West and we would get sent to Manchester, OR the committee would magically waive all the rules and we would somehow end up in Minnesota playing them in the first round.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
Rooting for Harvard in anything is always ironic.
[quote Jim Hyla]That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
To which can be attributed Harvard's sterling Beanpot record. Oh, wait...
[quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
Pass. I'll take the PWR consequences in exchange for Harvard's hilarious futility.
UMass lost, so forget the 10 TUC's for a while.
[quote Robb][quote Jim Hyla][quote lynah80]Ironically, we should be rooting for Harvard in the Beanpot.[/quote]
No, we almost always should root for Harvard in the Beanpot. The whole league knows that. That's why they arranged the schedule so they don't play on Sat. before.[/quote]
Rooting for Harvard in anything is always ironic.[/quote]
Root for them to get insider-buying privileges on the Madoff funds. Talk about a self-cleaning oven.
Current Bracketology (http://www.uscho.com/blogs/bracketology/jayson/20090207/a-simple-saturday-morning.html) is up at USCHO.
The part we would be interested in:
West Regional (Minneapolis)
13 North Dakota vs. 4 Cornell
10 Minnesota vs. 7 Miami
[quote Robb]
Right now, we're 5-1-1 against TUCs, with wins against (in RPI): #8 (Princeton), #15 (Dartmouth), #19 (SCSU), #21 (NoDak), and #24 (SLU), with our Tie against #16 (Quinnipiac). I think we can all remember the only team we lost to so far. :)
[/quote]
Tonight's game will have a lot of significance for TUC and RPI. Also, with Northeastern it could help for COP.
[quote lynah80][quote Robb]
Right now, we're 5-1-1 against TUCs, with wins against (in RPI): #8 (Princeton), #15 (Dartmouth), #19 (SCSU), #21 (NoDak), and #24 (SLU), with our Tie against #16 (Quinnipiac). I think we can all remember the only team we lost to so far. :)
[/quote]
Tonight's game will have a lot of significance for TUC and RPI. Also, with Northeastern it could help for COP.[/quote]
It's also worth noting that UMass and QU are lurking at 27 and 29 in RPI. If either can crack the T-25 tonight, Cornell will hit 10 TUC games.
Looking at the four teams currently winning comparisons with Cornell, it won't take much to take the NU comparison. That's pretty much up to Cornell. Tonight's game and the game vs. RPI are marginally important.
BU is pretty well unassailable. Barring a collapse, they've got that comparison. It would take the right playoff matchups to take CoP or TUC. And it's tough to make up a big RPI difference in ECAC play.
UVm is really similar to Cornell. Cornell needs wins vs. RPI and @ Dartmouth or help from the Cats.
Notre Dame is close in TUC but needs to do some losing to come back down in RPI. The only COP is Union and both teams are 1-0. Cornell has to win that one at Lynah to keep that a draw.
At the end of the day Cornell's gotta flip at least one of these for a #1 seed in March. It's probably best to root for BU on Monday against NU since there's almost no way the BU/CU comparison flips.
Big(ger) games for Cornell's PWR:
vs. PU
@ Dartmouth
vs. Union
vs. RPI
@ Yale
Rooting interests:
Boo:
UVm
NU
ND
And to a lesser extent:
Alaska
AFA*
UNO*
Mankato*
Go:
Cornell
QU
UMass
SCSU
NoDak
*It helps CU's RPI that these teams are good (OOWP) but it also helps that they be replaced in the RPI T-25 by teams CU has had success against.
Feel free to nitpick this analysis. I'm sure there are mistakes.
[quote Chris '03]At the end of the day Cornell's gotta flip at least one of these for a #1 seed in March.[/quote]
Unless Cornell is one of the top two in the east, being a #1 seed almost guarantees a trip west. Right now Cornell would be the #4 overall and is behind BU (#1) and Vermont (#3) which is why they get sent to Minneapolis. If the rumor that the NCAA is going to cut down on travel this year is true then dropping to a #2 seed might be better from a fan's perspective.
Also, Jason Moy's current brackets have Miami in both the West and Midwest regions while Northeastern is completely missing.
[quote nyc94][quote Chris '03]At the end of the day Cornell's gotta flip at least one of these for a #1 seed in March.[/quote]
Unless Cornell is one of the top two in the east, being a #1 seed almost guarantees a trip west. Right now Cornell would be the #4 overall and is behind BU (#1) and Vermont (#3) which is why they get sent to Minneapolis. If the rumor that the NCAA is going to cut down on travel this year is true then dropping to a #2 seed might be better from a fan's perspective.
Also, Jason Moy's current brackets have Miami in both the West and Midwest regions while Northeastern is completely missing.[/quote]
It could come down to where Yale and UNH fall too. As hosts, they are going to Bridgeport and Manchester no matter what if they make it. The question is where in the bracket they fall and how the other seeds rotate around them. Though if you signed me up for UVM/CU/??/Yale in Bridgeport tight now, I take it. If Yale moves into a 3 seed position that boxes Cornell out of Bridgeport unless it's a 1.
There's plenty of hockey left but there are too many scenarios that have Cornell heading west again for my liking...
[quote Chris '03]It could come down to where Yale and UNH fall too. As hosts, they are going to Bridgeport and Manchester no matter what if they make it.[/quote]
Very true. It would be interesting to see what they would do if UNH dropped to a #4 seed and BU and UVM remain as #1 seeds (or Northeastern moves up). The higher team would go to Bridgeport to get the 15 or 16 team. Do they send the other to Manchester and an intraconference game in the first round? Anyway, long way to go.
[quote nyc94]Current Bracketology (http://www.uscho.com/blogs/bracketology/jayson/20090207/a-simple-saturday-morning.html) is up at USCHO.
The part we would be interested in:
West Regional (Minneapolis)
13 North Dakota vs. 4 Cornell
10 Minnesota vs. 7 Miami[/quote]The only good thing about this is that we might have Minny on our side for the first game. Thus, we might get to play the cowbell. Otherwise, it's terrible. I'd take a second seed any day over this.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote nyc94]Current Bracketology (http://www.uscho.com/blogs/bracketology/jayson/20090207/a-simple-saturday-morning.html) is up at USCHO.
The part we would be interested in:
West Regional (Minneapolis)
13 North Dakota vs. 4 Cornell
10 Minnesota vs. 7 Miami[/quote]The only good thing about this is that we might have Minny on our side for the first game. Thus, we might get to play the cowbell. Otherwise, it's terrible. I'd take a second seed any day over this.[/quote]
Jim,
Wasn't it at Minnesota that they put you up against the wall after being frustrated during their search for the cowbell? Was that a different arena?
[quote marty][quote Jim Hyla][quote nyc94]Current Bracketology (http://www.uscho.com/blogs/bracketology/jayson/20090207/a-simple-saturday-morning.html) is up at USCHO.
The part we would be interested in:
West Regional (Minneapolis)
13 North Dakota vs. 4 Cornell
10 Minnesota vs. 7 Miami[/quote]The only good thing about this is that we might have Minny on our side for the first game. Thus, we might get to play the cowbell. Otherwise, it's terrible. I'd take a second seed any day over this.[/quote]
Jim,
Wasn't it at Minnesota that they put you up against the wall after being frustrated during their search for the cowbell? Was that a different arena?[/quote]Indeed it was.::flipd::
With the Beanpot win, BU goes to 0.6037 rpi, 14-3-1 TUC, and 4-1/5-2 COP vs Cornell. They are opening a gap with the competition (Notre Dame split with Ohio State). They have two games against UMass at the end of the month, which could be beneficial to Cornell, but they are looking very strong right now.
[quote lynah80]With the Beanpot win, BU goes to 0.6037 rpi, 14-3-1 TUC, and 4-1/5-2 COP vs Cornell. They are opening a gap with the competition (Notre Dame split with Ohio State). They have two games against UMass at the end of the month, which could be beneficial to Cornell, but they are looking very strong right now.[/quote]
Both teams looked to be playing on a much higher level than Cornell. BU in particular looked very very good. If Cornell played BU tomorrow they'd lose big.
How did Clarkson get a single 20th place vote this past week in the meaningless poll?
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/
I don't know if this is common knowledge at eLynah, but the NCAA has added a new component to the final 16 bracket:
"The only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500."
Also, the regionalization mandate will not take effect this year.
see:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/02/17_regionalization.php
So we've come full circle. They should have never gotten rid of the .500 requirement when they traded it for an RPI cutoff. Havign both makes sense.
[quote KeithK]So we've come full circle. They should have never gotten rid of the .500 requirement when they traded it for an RPI cutoff. Havign both makes sense.[/quote]
Exactly right. A team that doesn't win half its games doesn't deserve to compete for the national championship.
[Should apply to the ECAC tournament as well, IMHO.::idea::]
[quote Al DeFlorio][Should apply to the ECAC tournament as well, IMHO.::idea::][/quote]Please don't spin me up Al. No one wants to read my rants on the subject. :-)
Just curious, does anyone else out there want the title of this thread changed (or a new one started).
The last three weekends have caused us to tumble from that lofty position.
Okay, I'll stop nit-picking for now. ;-)
[quote Rita]Just curious, does anyone else out there want the title of this thread changed (or a new one started).
The last three weekends have caused us to tumble from that lofty position.
[/quote]
I have been thinking the same thing whenever I open this thread. Unfortunately, it should more accurately read "falls" from #1, #3, #6, etc. Hopefully this freefall will stop and turn back around a few spots before the end of the season.
Okay, I gave the thread a neutral title. Let's hope that Cornell turns things around though. 19-6-4 is very do-able, I think.
[quote lynah80]Okay, I gave the thread a neutral title. Let's hope that Cornell turns things around though. 19-6-4 is very do-able, I think.[/quote]
Thank you. **]
From the New Haven Register 2/17/09
BRACKETOLOGY
East Regional - (Bridgeport, Conn.)
No. 1 Northeastern vs. No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
No. 2 Yale vs. No. 3 North Dakota
Northeast Regional - (Manchester, N.H.)
No. 1 Boston University vs. No. 4 Niagara
No. 2 Denver vs. No. 3 New Hampshire
Midwest Regional - (Grand Rapids, Mich.)
No. 1 Michigan vs. No. 4 RIT
No. 2 Miami-Ohio vs. No. 3 Princeton
West Regional - (Minneapolis, Minn.)
No. 1 Vermont vs. No. 4 Minnesota
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 3 Cornell
[quote lynah80]From the New Haven Register 2/17/09
BRACKETOLOGY
East Regional - (Bridgeport, Conn.)
No. 1 Northeastern vs. No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
No. 2 Yale vs. No. 3 North Dakota
Northeast Regional - (Manchester, N.H.)
No. 1 Boston University vs. No. 4 Niagara
No. 2 Denver vs. No. 3 New Hampshire
Midwest Regional - (Grand Rapids, Mich.)
No. 1 Michigan vs. No. 4 RIT
No. 2 Miami-Ohio vs. No. 3 Princeton
West Regional - (Minneapolis, Minn.)
No. 1 Vermont vs. No. 4 Minnesota
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 3 Cornell[/quote]
Goo. Let's win some more hockey games, eh?
[quote BCrespi][quote lynah80]From the New Haven Register 2/17/09
BRACKETOLOGY
East Regional - (Bridgeport, Conn.)
No. 1 Northeastern vs. No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
No. 2 Yale vs. No. 3 North Dakota
Northeast Regional - (Manchester, N.H.)
No. 1 Boston University vs. No. 4 Niagara
No. 2 Denver vs. No. 3 New Hampshire
Midwest Regional - (Grand Rapids, Mich.)
No. 1 Michigan vs. No. 4 RIT
No. 2 Miami-Ohio vs. No. 3 Princeton
West Regional - (Minneapolis, Minn.)
No. 1 Vermont vs. No. 4 Minnesota
No. 2 Notre Dame vs. No. 3 Cornell[/quote]
Goo. Let's win some more hockey games, eh?[/quote]
Or lose some more. Whatever puts CU in the same band as the goofers spares them a trip west.
I posted this on the ECAC standings thread, but it also is relevant to this thread. Interesting statistical analysis of the remainder of the season and one website's take on who makes the NCAAs.
http://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockey.html
[quote Chris 02]I posted this on the ECAC standings thread, but it also is relevant to this thread. Interesting statistical analysis of the remainder of the season and one website's take on who makes the NCAAs.
http://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockey.html[/quote]
I was surprised to see a "NCAA Tournament Seatings (http://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournseatprob.html)" link.
Someone has a lot of time on their hands to figure out where teams will be sitting. ;-)
Based on these calculations, Cornell has a better than 50% chance of sitting on the couch! ::help::
[quote Chris 02]Interesting statistical analysis of the remainder of the season and one website's take on who makes the NCAAs.
http://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockey.html[/quote]Excellent site.
I'm usually a "just play the game" type* - you have to beat good teams to win a championship - but I wouldn't relish playing Notre Dame in the first round.
Getting to the tourney would be nice, at this rate. :-)
* Note: I do not, however, yell "drop the puck!"
[disclaimer]The seedings will change a dozen times before the tournament but...[/disclaimer]
I you look at this morning's PWR, With Yale in the 2-band, and UHN, Princeton and us all in the 3-band, the committee puts Yale in Bridgeport and UHN in Manchester, and both Princeton and us are going west.
The good news: Minnesota is no longer in the tournament. Tee hee. ::schadenfreude smiley::
Gotta admit I wouldn't mind playing at Mariucci as much if the goofers aren't there. ::flipc::
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]The good news: Minnesota is no longer in the tournament. Tee hee. ::schadenfreude smiley::
Gotta admit I wouldn't mind playing at Mariucci as much if the goofers aren't there. ::flipc::[/quote]
Thanks Jeff! All disclaimers aside that thought just made my morning. :-)
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][disclaimer]The seedings will change a dozen times before the tournament but...[/disclaimer]
I you look at this morning's PWR, With Yale in the 2-band, and UHN, Princeton and us all in the 3-band, the committee puts Yale in Bridgeport and UHN in Manchester, and both Princeton and us are going west.
The good news: Minnesota is no longer in the tournament. Tee hee. ::schadenfreude smiley::
Gotta admit I wouldn't mind playing at Mariucci as much if the goofers aren't there. ::flipc::[/quote]
I wouldn't mind playing at Mariucci myself but I can barely skate around the damn rink after I lace up the skates. Speaking of which my wife and I made a date for some open skating next week (after enjoying the view from section O last night).
LGR!
The Mariucci Cowbell Police probably have been alerted to be on the lookout for Cornell fans. Just in case. The probably get in the right frame of mind by doing tech support for the cable company.
[quote marty]
I wouldn't mind playing at Mariucci myself but I can barely skate around the damn rink after I lace up the skates. [/quote]
Yeah, yeah. Neither can I.
You know what I mean.
Cornell only moved from #12 to #11 at INCH with the sweep this weekend. Beating Yale will go a long way to convince the college hockey world that their slump is over.
Also, BU dropped to #2 after tying Northeastern twice (2-2, 1-1). BU took a lot of penalties in the second tie (41 PIM). To compensate, Matt Gilroy scored a SHG. Notre Dame is now #1 at INCH following a sweep of host Nebraska Omaha (13-15-7). I don't think Notre Dame is a better team than BU.
With UMass in and Dartmouth out of the top 25, Cornell's TUC is 5-4. A win over Yale could give them a favorable TUC comparison with Vermont, Northeastern and Denver. However, UMass is playing BU this weekend and may need a split to remain in the top 25.
Hard to believe that [disclaimer]if [/disclaimer] the season ended today the ECAC would get 4 (four) spots in the NCAA's. And we don't even get an ECAC-ECAC first round switchout!
And the brackets:
(Manchester)
1-BU vs. 16- Atlantic H
8- Cornell vs. 9- New Hampshire
(Grand Rapids)
2- Notre Dame vs. 15- CHA
7- Northeastern vs. 10- Miami
(Minneapolis)
3- Michigan vs. 14- St. Lawrence
6- Princeton vs. 13- Minnesota-Duluth
(Bridgeport)
4- Denver vs. 12- Yale
5- Vermont vs. 11- North Dakota
Our four-point weekend over the Capital District squads is good enough for a one-spot bump from #11 to #10:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/
[quote sah67]Our four-point weekend over the Capital District squads is good enough for a one-spot bump from #11 to #10:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/[/quote]
Having 4 Ivies getting votes (and 3 in the top 11) would have been unthinkable early in the decade.
[quote RichH][quote sah67]Our four-point weekend over the Capital District squads is good enough for a one-spot bump from #11 to #10:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/[/quote]
Having 4 Ivies getting votes (and 3 in the top 11) would have been unthinkable early in the decade.[/quote]
Can the Ivy teams' recent general success in the ECAC be traced to anything? Have the last couple of years actually been unusual per the history of the league? Has the balance of recruitment incentives changed (i.e., do the Ivies' financial aid packages rival athletic scholarships at the other schools)?
[quote RichH][quote sah67]Our four-point weekend over the Capital District squads is good enough for a one-spot bump from #11 to #10:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/[/quote]
Having 4 Ivies getting votes (and 3 in the top 11) would have been unthinkable early in the decade.[/quote]
I suspect it's still "unthinkable" to anyone from the world of western college hockey.
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote RichH][quote sah67]Our four-point weekend over the Capital District squads is good enough for a one-spot bump from #11 to #10:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/[/quote]
Having 4 Ivies getting votes (and 3 in the top 11) would have been unthinkable early in the decade.[/quote]
I suspect it's still "unthinkable" to anyone from the world of western college hockey.[/quote]
Overheard at Engelstad:
"Cornell's ranked pretty high."
"Yeah, but they play, like, Bemidji. And Harvard."
"Harvard? Do they even have a team?"
Punchline: UND played at Harvard the following week.
[quote imafrshmn][quote RichH][quote sah67]Our four-point weekend over the Capital District squads is good enough for a one-spot bump from #11 to #10:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/[/quote]
Having 4 Ivies getting votes (and 3 in the top 11) would have been unthinkable early in the decade.[/quote]
Can the Ivy teams' recent general success in the ECAC be traced to anything? Have the last couple of years actually been unusual per the history of the league? Has the balance of recruitment incentives changed (i.e., do the Ivies' financial aid packages rival athletic scholarships at the other schools)?[/quote]
Well, there are two Ivies with established pedigrees on the National level: Cornell and Harvard. The inclusion of either of those two figures to be "business as usual."
That leaves the success of Yale, Princeton, and Dartmouth to be the new developments. What's happening that's different? Frankly, at 13-11-3, we can't really call Dartmouth's season as being all that remarkable or even that good. The fact that they're getting votes is probably due to voting-by-standings. You get past the first couple teams in any conference, and you really get to mediocre meat quickly. It's really a year for parity nationwide.
Yale and Princeton, however are a different story. The one thing I think of that's common is that they both have coaches who are just getting their first fully self-recruited rosters in. Gadowsky is in his 5th season, so this is really his first year where all four classes are his own recruits. And as we know, Princeton was quite good last season. Allain is finishing his 3rd season at Yale, and it looks like he's reaping the fruits of his own recruiting: 7 of Yale's top 10 in points are Freshmen or Sophomores. Let's not forget that Allain is apparently good enough to have been an ass't coach on the last US Olympic Team.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to draw any institutional recruitment/acceptance/financial policy shift conclusions at those two schools. But I'd say that the coaching moves a few years back had something to do with this recent success.
Brown has about one standout season each decade. Other than that, it's excrement as usual.
[quote RichH]
I'm not knowledgeable enough to draw any institutional recruitment/acceptance/financial policy shift conclusions at those two schools.
[/quote]
Princeton and Harvard have significantly enriched their aid programs in recent years, as Noel and Schafer continue to point out to alumni donors in hockey and athletics publications. Yale likely has as well, but I just don't recall reading anything specifically about it.
Note the date on this from the Stanford Daily: http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2004/4/14/harvardPrincetonAlterFinancialAidPolicy
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote RichH]
I'm not knowledgeable enough to draw any institutional recruitment/acceptance/financial policy shift conclusions at those two schools.
[/quote]
Princeton and Harvard have significantly enriched their aid programs in recent years, as Noel and Schafer continue to point out to alumni donors in hockey and athletics publications. Yale likely has as well, but I just don't recall reading anything specifically about it.
Note the date on this from the Stanford Daily: http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2004/4/14/harvardPrincetonAlterFinancialAidPolicy[/quote]Unfortunately it won't open for me. They say temp unavailable.
[quote Jim Hyla][quote Al DeFlorio][quote RichH]
I'm not knowledgeable enough to draw any institutional recruitment/acceptance/financial policy shift conclusions at those two schools.
[/quote]
Princeton and Harvard have significantly enriched their aid programs in recent years, as Noel and Schafer continue to point out to alumni donors in hockey and athletics publications. Yale likely has as well, but I just don't recall reading anything specifically about it.
Note the date on this from the Stanford Daily: http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2004/4/14/harvardPrincetonAlterFinancialAidPolicy[/quote]Unfortunately it won't open for me. They say temp unavailable.[/quote]
I had to try twice to get it to open. Just opened for me again now.
The two major polls disagree more than usual this week:
USCHO Rankings (USA today in parentheses):
1 Boston University (2)
2 Notre Dame (1)
3 Michigan (3)
4 Northeastern (4)
5 Denver (5)
6 Princeton (6)
7 Miami (9)
8 North Dakota (7)
9 Vermont (8)
10 Cornell (11)
11 Yale (12)
12 New Hampshire (10)
13 Colorado College (13)
14 Minnesota-Duluth (14)
15 Ohio State (15)
Some of the disparity probably reflects different interpretations of (a) recent inconsistent play and (b) expectations about recovery from late season injuries.
One important difference in the polls is BU and Notre Dame. First place votes were:
USA Today
ND (18) BU (16)
USCHO
BU (31) ND (19)
BU was unable to defeat Northeastern last weekend and had to settle for two ties. Notre Dame defeated Nebraska-Omaha (#30 rpi) twice (4-3 OT, 1-0). Throughout the season they have had a much easier schedule (SOS. 1 vs 27). Their pairwise comparison:
BU/ND
rpi: 0.597/0.583
TUC: 0.738*/0.546
COP: 0.750/0.600
This weekend BU plays 2 games against UMass (#25), while ND plays 2 against Michigan St. (#35).
All things considered, I think Cornell would be better off in a bracket without BU in March.
*No other team in the NCAA has a TUC winning percentage above 0.600
[quote lynah80]T
All things considered, I think Cornell would be better off in a bracket without BU in March.
[/quote]
No question. Although, my impression is that Northeastern plays a somewhat similar style to Cornell's, and the Huskies pretty much held their own this past weekend against BU. Bottom line, however, I think BU is a much tougher team than Notre Dame.
I'm still just hopin' we beat Yale on Friday. I'll start worrying about brackets on March 22, when I'm sure we'll be in one of 'em.
[quote Al DeFlorio]I'm still just hopin' we beat Yale on Friday. I'll start worrying about brackets on March 22, when I'm sure we'll be in one of 'em.[/quote]
Yeah, I just can't switch into NCAA mode until the winners skate in Albany, particularly this year when the ECAC Finals should be fascinating. Yale, Princeton and Cornell are about equal as tri-favorites. St. Lawrence is on fire. Harvard's always tough (in conference play, though if we dressed as Merrimack we'd be sure to beat them). Dartmouth is an unknown.
Frankly, who cares about the NCAAs right now? The real meat of the Cornell season is here right now.
[quote Trotsky]Harvard's always tough (in conference play, though if we dressed as Merrimack we'd be sure to beat them). [/quote]
Maybe we can. Do they wear pink and black?**]
Story from 2004 said Stanford aid packages were better thant the Ivies'. No wonder, Stanford as of this past summer had $2 million in endowment per student, Prince has $1.6M, Yale and Harvard just over $1M, and Cornell Penn Brown Columnbia around $500K each. (Since has shrunk owing to the market.) So the richer Ivy schools can give more aid than the less rich and that helps Princeton, Harvard, Yale,
Athletic scholarship money isn't as much as some people think. Recall last year's NYT story on athletic aid. Even at a big time sports program eg Duke lax, only a couple get full rides and a let get half, quarter, eighth, or none. But it sounds as if Cornell on need based aid gives less than other schools to students in the some condition.
Lax doesnt give many full rides just because they offer so few scholies compared to the roster size.
[quote upperdeck]Lax doesnt give many full rides just because they offer so few scholies compared to the roster size.[/quote]
What? You mean lax doesn't get two scholrships per roster spot just like every oth....er, I mean, like football does?
[quote Trotsky][quote Al DeFlorio]I'm still just hopin' we beat Yale on Friday. I'll start worrying about brackets on March 22, when I'm sure we'll be in one of 'em.[/quote]
Yeah, I just can't switch into NCAA mode until the winners skate in Albany, particularly this year when the ECAC Finals should be fascinating. Yale, Princeton and Cornell are about equal as tri-favorites. St. Lawrence is on fire. Harvard's always tough (in conference play, though if we dressed as Merrimack we'd be sure to beat them). Dartmouth is an unknown.
Frankly, who cares about the NCAAs right now? The real meat of the Cornell season is here right now.[/quote]
Okay. I agree.
Cornell sits at 10 this minute, Yale at 8, Princeton 12, and SLU 15 and last team out.
If it all ended this second, Cornell would likely be a 3 in NH vs. UNH with Denver and OSU probably.
In Bridgeport, you'd get a fun one:
BU/AHA
Yale/NoDak
How did Minnesota go from #18 last night in PWR to #13 and in the tournament tonight????
[quote Chris 02]How did Minnesota go from #18 last night in PWR to #13 and in the tournament tonight????[/quote]
Edit: To make a long story short it is because Alaska-Anchorage is now a TUC.
Minnesota picked up three comparisons last night. They flipped their comparison with Vermont from 1-2 to 2-1 because record against TUC swung in their favor. Vermont dropped a game to UNH and Alaska-Anchorage became a TUC which added a win and a tie to Minnesota.
Minnesota flipped their comparison with St. Lawrence also because of TUC. The comparison had been tied 1-1 and TUC was a draw with both teams having a .500 record. St. Lawrence has the higher RPI. Alaska moving into TUC status gives Minnesota a higher winning percentage against TUC by adding a win and a tie. And RIT had been a TUC but dropped out after last night which takes away a win from St. Lawrence. Minnesota currently wins the comparison 2-1.
Minnesota also flipped the comparison with Minnesota-Duluth from 1-3 to 3-0. RPI and TUC which had been in Duluth's favor swung to Minnesota. Alaska-Anchorage is again the culprit for TUC because Duluth went 0-3-1 against AA including being swept this weekend. Common Opponents went from Duluth's favor to being a draw as Minnesota won last night and Duluth lost.
how else will the ncaa justify letting them play in the west regional at mariucci if they don't make the tournament?
If Cornell sweeps next weekend and does well in Albany, they could be a #2 seed. It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.
RPI as of 3/8/09
24) 0.5123 Alaska-Anchorage (14-15-5)
25) 0.5119 Alaska (15-13-6)
26) 0.5104 RIT (21-11-2)
27) 0.5094 Northern Michigan (16-15-5)
28) 0.5034 Massachusetts (15-18-3)
29) 0.5024 Union (18-15-3)
Next week:
Alaska-Anchorage vs. Denver
Alaska-Fairbanks vs. Ohio St.
Northern Michigan vs. Miami
UMass vs. Northeastern
Union vs. Princeton
[quote lynah80]It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.[/quote]
The only way I could get Union into the Top 25 is for them to win four straight. ::uhoh::
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2009/rankings.diy.shtml
[quote nyc94][quote lynah80]It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.[/quote]
The only way I could get Union into the Top 25 is for them to win four straight. ::uhoh::
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2009/rankings.diy.shtml[/quote]
Okay, bad idea.
While I would obviously prefer for Cornell to win the next four (or eight) games, if we were to posit that Cornell does not win in Albany, what would it take for four ECAC schools to make the tournament (i.e., CU and Yale and Princeton get at-large bids, another ECAC school wins the tournament)? Bonus points if there's a set of results that has Denver and UND as the only two WCHA schools; extra-special bonus points if there's a way to push SLU up into at-large territory and get five ECAC schools in.
JTW, is your playoff script almost done?
[quote Josh '99]JTW, is your playoff script almost done?[/quote]
It should be ready to roll as soon as the quarterfinals (and the WZHA quintafinals) are done.
[quote nyc94][quote Chris 02]How did Minnesota go from #18 last night in PWR to #13 and in the tournament tonight????[/quote]
Edit: To make a long story short it is because Alaska-Anchorage is now a TUC.[/quote]
Doesn't this mean that the posted rankings are wrong? Anchorage is 14-15-5, which means they aren't a TUC because you need to have a .500 record to be a TUC this year. See this link, as posted earlier in this thread by lynah80: http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2009/02/17_regionalization.php
Quote from: CHNThe only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500.
Now I suppose UAA could be considered a TUC for comparison purposes because of their >.500 RPI and just not allowed to qualify, but that seems pretty bizarre. It's much more reasonable to drop UAA, which ought to drop the Goofers back out of the field.
[quote KeithK]
Quote from: CHNThe only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500.
Now I suppose UAA could be considered a TUC for comparison purposes because of their >.500 RPI and just not allowed to qualify, but that seems pretty bizarre. It's much more reasonable to drop UAA, which ought to drop the Goofers back out of the field.[/quote]
Considering them a TUC for comparison purposes because their RPI is in the top 25 (the TUC definition was changed from RPI>.500 to RPI in top 25 a couple of years ago) is akin to what was done with RIT in their probationary years, and presumably to what they'd do if
Mainesomeone were excluded from the NCAAs for disciplinary reasons.
[quote jtwcornell91][quote KeithK]
Quote from: CHNThe only other change to this year's bracket from last is that a team must have a .500 record or better to qualify. The "rule" was implemented last summer by the committee, in the aftermath of Wisconsin qualifying with an at-large bid despite being sub-.500.
Now I suppose UAA could be considered a TUC for comparison purposes because of their >.500 RPI and just not allowed to qualify, but that seems pretty bizarre. It's much more reasonable to drop UAA, which ought to drop the Goofers back out of the field.[/quote]
Considering them a TUC for comparison purposes because their RPI is in the top 25 (the TUC definition was changed from RPI>.500 to RPI in top 25 a couple of years ago) is akin to what was done with RIT in their probationary years, and presumably to what they'd do if
Mainesomeone were excluded from the NCAAs for disciplinary reasons.[/quote]
I don't think it's really analogous to a team in probationary period or on suspension. But you may well be right. Unless someone has a statement form the NCAA that covers this it's just guesswork.
Hopefully Denver's likely sweep of UAA next weekend will make this question moot.
I think the ECAC will be lucky if it gets three teams in. I don't see a scenario where we'll get more than that. Let's assume the top four seeds advance to Albany (because if they don't they'll drop too far down in the PW after their two losses in the quarters(maybe not Yale)).
If the seeding plays out and Yale beats us then I think we make it in with Yale. PU would be on the bubble. The question is how far will PU drop by losing to us in the semis? They're already at number 12 in the PW. I say they don't make it.
And if Yale beats PU in the finals I'm afraid we could find ourselves in the same position albeit slightly better since we're at number 10 in the PW as of today. We'd have to hope CC and OSU share a similar fate and don't have a strong showing in their tourneys.
I think SLU has to run the table or they're toast.
The only way we could get three teams in IMO would be for SLU to beat us in the finals. It would be SLU, us, and Yale.
Let's just win it, get a two-seed, and get ready to board the bus to Minny because you just know that's where they'd stick us. And guess who we'd probably draw in the first round...on their home ice????
[quote Germ]
Let's just win it, get a two-seed, and get ready to board the bus to Minny because you just know that's where they'd stick us. And guess who we'd probably draw in the first round...on their home ice????[/quote]
I'd rather go to Minnesota than Manchester.
[quote Germ]Let's just win it, get a two-seed, and get ready to board the bus to Minny because you just know that's where they'd stick us. And guess who we'd probably draw in the first round...on their home ice????[/quote]Right now we have a better chance of being at Minny than Minny does.Let's go St. Cloud St.. If we get a 2 seed, can they get a 3 and face us first, very doubtful.
[quote Germ]I think the ECAC will be lucky if it gets three teams in. I don't see a scenario where we'll get more than that.[/quote]Realistically speaking you're right and three would be a pretty good outcome all in all, but it's still fun to try to come up with scenarios yielding unlikely and amusing results.
[quote Josh '99][quote Germ]I think the ECAC will be lucky if it gets three teams in. I don't see a scenario where we'll get more than that.[/quote]Realistically speaking you're right and three would be a pretty good outcome all in all, but it's still fun to try to come up with scenarios yielding unlikely and amusing results.[/quote]
If things break right, Air Force could be in line for an at-large bid.
[quote Germ]I think SLU has to run the table or they're toast.[/quote]
I would have agreed until I started playing around with possibilities. Assuming the top four seeds advance, if St. Lawrence can't win the tournament the best scenario for them is to beat Princeton in the consolation game. It flips the comparison with Princeton and they swap places in the PWR. Princeton becomes the bubble team. There's one catch: Princeton needs to lose a game to Union this weekend while St. Lawrence needs to sweep.
Beating Cornell in the consolation game doesn't help because they can't flip that comparison on their own. St. Lawrence and Princeton have similar RPI so if they play again the winner takes RPI (currently in Princeton's favor) as well as Head to Head (currently tied 1-1).
[quote nyc94]
Beating Cornell in the consolation game doesn't help... [/quote]You said that right.
[quote jtwcornell91][quote Josh '99]JTW, is your playoff script almost done?[/quote]
It should be ready to roll as soon as the quarterfinals (and the WZHA quintafinals) are done.[/quote]
If you can't wait until then you can plug in your own predictions:
http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2009/rankings.diy.shtml
Make sure you check the button for "Specify Results". Paste in today's games (listed below) beneath the scores for the games already played and change the score to reflect your picks. I just made this list very quickly so I apologize if there are any errors.
20090313 NM 0 Mm 0 NC
20090313 NO 0 Nt 0 NC
20090313 OS 0 Ak 0 NC
20090313 WM 0 Mi 0 NC
20090313 Qn 0 SL 0 NC
20090313 Un 0 Pn 0 NC
20090313 RP 0 Cr 0 NC
20090313 Bn 0 Ya 0 NC
20090313 BC 0 NH 0 NC
20090313 MA 0 NE 0 NC
20090313 ML 0 Vt 0 NC
20090313 Me 0 BU 0 NC
20090313 Ar 0 Mh 0 NC
20090313 SH 0 AF 0 NC
20090313 Ca 0 By 0 NC
20090313 HC 0 RT 0 NC
20090313 Mk 0 Wi 0 NC
20090313 SC 0 Mn 0 NC
20090313 AA 0 DU 0 NC
20090313 MT 0 ND 0 NC
20090313 MD 0 CC 0 NC
20090313 RM 2 Ni 1 NC
20090313 AH 0 BS 0 NC
The entire schedule is the same for Saturday with the exception of the last two games on the above list which are the CHA semifinals (Robert Morris has already defeated Niagara today - thus dropping Cornell one spot to 11). Rearrange the teams to get Saturday's consolation and championship games. Add games for Sunday if you think a series is going three games.
Down to 12 in pairwise.
Not going to NCAAs if we don't win this series.
[quote ebilmes]Down to 12 in pairwise.
Not going to NCAAs if we don't win this series.[/quote]
Don't deserve to go to NCAAs if they lose this series.
[quote lynah80]It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.[/quote]
UMass beat Northeastern 2-1 last night. A win tonight would make them 25 in the PWR. Cornell would pick up the comparison with Northeastern but not move up in the standings (currently 12). And despite the fact that another UMass win would knock Alaska-Anchorage out the top 25 (as would another Denver win), Minnesota stays on Cornell's heels as they would also pick up the comparison with Northeastern. Minnesota picked up the comparison with Ohio State last night because Alaska-Fairbanks beat Ohio State last night.
[quote nyc94][quote lynah80]It would be helpful if either UMass or Union moved into the top 25.[/quote]
UMass beat Northeastern 2-1 last night. A win tonight would make them 25 in the PWR. Cornell would pick up the comparison with Northeastern but not move up in the standings (currently 12). And despite the fact that another UMass win would knock Alaska-Anchorage out the top 25 (as would another Denver win), Minnesota stays on Cornell's heels as they would also pick up the comparison with Northeastern. Minnesota picked up the comparison with Ohio State last night because Alaska-Fairbanks beat Ohio State last night.[/quote]
Cornell really needs a W tonight and tomorrow!
Umass about to lose tonight.. down 3-1 5 minutes left
Maine beats BU 6-3. Game 3 tomorrow.
NU scores on the PP to go up 3-1 with about 4 minutes left, thus it looks like a game 3 for that series too.
Goofers up 2-0 on SCSU, 13 minutes left in the 3rd.
[quote Rita]Maine beats BU 6-3. Game 3 tomorrow.
NU scores on the PP to go up 3-1 with about 4 minutes left, thus it looks like a game 3 for that series too.[/quote]
The sweeps by BC (over UNH) and Mass-Lowell (Vermont) will help Cornell a lot.
For Vermont, Cornell needs a TUC > 0.452 and an rpi > 0.551. They can do that in Albany. (Vermont wins out in COP)
For UNH, Cornell can pull ahead in COP with another win over Rennselaer. They should also come out ahead in TUC and rpi with even one win in Albany (let's hope for 2).
Miami lost tonight, so they will play N. Michigan again tomorrow. Cornell has the edge in COP, but Miami has TUC and a very slight edge in rpi. Let's hope for the best.
I think winning the ECAC is priority #1 for Cornell, but things look encouraging for a #2 seed in the tournament as well.
[quote lynah80]
The sweeps by BC (over UNH) and Mass-Lowell (Vermont) will help Cornell a lot.
For Vermont, Cornell needs a TUC > 0.452 and an rpi > 0.551. They can do that in Albany. (Vermont wins out in COP)
For UNH, Cornell can pull ahead in COP with another win over Rennselaer. They should also come out ahead in TUC and rpi with even one win in Albany (let's hope for 2).
Miami lost tonight, so they will play N. Michigan again tomorrow. Cornell has the edge in COP, but Miami has TUC and a very slight edge in rpi. Let's hope for the best.
I think winning the ECAC is priority #1 for Cornell, but things look encouraging for a #2 seed in the tournament as well.[/quote]
On the other hand, the UML and BC wins make it more likely that the Hockey East tournament and autobid will go to a team current below us in PWR. If we win out in the ECAC tournament, then it's all good, but if we go 0-1 or 1-2 these results are a big negative. Similarly, there are several teams in the WCHA currently below us who could pass us with an autobid, and might pass us anyway if they win out and we don't.
[quote jkahn][quote lynah80]
The sweeps by BC (over UNH) and Mass-Lowell (Vermont) will help Cornell a lot.
For Vermont, Cornell needs a TUC > 0.452 and an rpi > 0.551. They can do that in Albany. (Vermont wins out in COP)
For UNH, Cornell can pull ahead in COP with another win over Rennselaer. They should also come out ahead in TUC and rpi with even one win in Albany (let's hope for 2).
Miami lost tonight, so they will play N. Michigan again tomorrow. Cornell has the edge in COP, but Miami has TUC and a very slight edge in rpi. Let's hope for the best.
I think winning the ECAC is priority #1 for Cornell, but things look encouraging for a #2 seed in the tournament as well.[/quote]
On the other hand, the UML and BC wins make it more likely that the Hockey East tournament and autobid will go to a team current below us in PWR. If we win out in the ECAC tournament, then it's all good, but if we go 0-1 or 1-2 these results are a big negative. Similarly, there are several teams in the WCHA currently below us who could pass us with an autobid, and might pass us anyway if they win out and we don't.[/quote]
For Hockey East, I think it's very likely that either Northeastern or BU will win the playoffs. I guess we will see how things go tomorrow.
BU defeats Maine 6-2.
Princeton 3 v. Union 1 is now final.
Miami might have just played itself out of the tournament by losing to Northern Michigan. They drop to 15 and give a bump to teams on the bubble.
Canisus 2 @ Bentley 4
Umass 2 @ Northeastern 3 in OT.
I'm not sure what PWR implications Ohio State @ Alaska-Fairbanks have, but I think you can listen on-line from
http://ksua.uaf.edu
Game starts at 11:30 pm EDT. :-}
Ok, if I interpreted CHN's grid correctly, with respect to OSU, we are tied with the comparisons (1-1) and ranked ahead of them (10 v. 12t). With AK, we have the comparisons 1-0, and AK is ranked 25.
So, we would like Alaska to win, correct? ::help::
New Hampshire, Cornell, Princeton, and Minnesota are currently the projected #3 seeds. With New Hampshire and Minnesota locked in as regional hosts that would mean either Cornell or Princeton would be sent to Bridgeport to face Yale (currently a #2) in the first round.
[quote nyc94]New Hampshire, Cornell, Princeton, and Minnesota are currently the projected #3 seeds. With New Hampshire and Minnesota locked in as regional hosts that would mean either Cornell or Princeton would be sent to Bridgeport to face Yale (currently a #2) in the first round.[/quote]But avoiding first round match-ups between teams from the same conference is supposed to be a high priority.
[quote David Harding][quote nyc94]New Hampshire, Cornell, Princeton, and Minnesota are currently the projected #3 seeds. With New Hampshire and Minnesota locked in as regional hosts that would mean either Cornell or Princeton would be sent to Bridgeport to face Yale (currently a #2) in the first round.[/quote]But avoiding first round match-ups between teams from the same conference is supposed to be a high priority.[/quote]
I thought seed or "band" integrity came first.
[quote nyc94][quote David Harding][quote nyc94]New Hampshire, Cornell, Princeton, and Minnesota are currently the projected #3 seeds. With New Hampshire and Minnesota locked in as regional hosts that would mean either Cornell or Princeton would be sent to Bridgeport to face Yale (currently a #2) in the first round.[/quote]But avoiding first round match-ups between teams from the same conference is supposed to be a high priority.[/quote]
I thought seed or "band" integrity came first.[/quote]
I'd be very surprised if they kept a Yale/Princeton or Yale/Cornell matchup in the first round. If things were to stay the way they are you might see Yale moved to either Minnesota or New Hampshire, thus avoiding the issue.
Anyway, there's still too much hockey left for me to worry about how the brackets will work out. It's very unlikely the rankings will look exactly like this next Sunday. Just get me in the top 14 (or 13, 12, whatever).
[quote KeithK]I'd be very surprised if they kept a Yale/Princeton or Yale/Cornell matchup in the first round. If things were to stay the way they are you might see Yale moved to either Minnesota or New Hampshire, thus avoiding the issue.[/quote]
Yale's a host at Bridgeport. They're not going anywhere but Bridgeport.
[quote KeithK][quote nyc94][quote David Harding][quote nyc94]New Hampshire, Cornell, Princeton, and Minnesota are currently the projected #3 seeds. With New Hampshire and Minnesota locked in as regional hosts that would mean either Cornell or Princeton would be sent to Bridgeport to face Yale (currently a #2) in the first round.[/quote]But avoiding first round match-ups between teams from the same conference is supposed to be a high priority.[/quote]
I thought seed or "band" integrity came first.[/quote]
I'd be very surprised if they kept a Yale/Princeton or Yale/Cornell matchup in the first round. If things were to stay the way they are you might see Yale moved to either Minnesota or New Hampshire, thus avoiding the issue.
Anyway, there's still too much hockey left for me to worry about how the brackets will work out. It's very unlikely the rankings will look exactly like this next Sunday. Just get me in the top 14 (or 13, 12, whatever).[/quote]
I thought Yale has to play at Bridgeport if they're in the tourney at all.
[quote Beeeej][quote KeithK]I'd be very surprised if they kept a Yale/Princeton or Yale/Cornell matchup in the first round. If things were to stay the way they are you might see Yale moved to either Minnesota or New Hampshire, thus avoiding the issue.[/quote]
Yale's a host at Bridgeport. They're not going anywhere but Bridgeport.[/quote]
OK, forgot that. I still think they would scrap bracket integrity to avoid first round matchups.
Alaska 1 v. OSU 0. final.
the Nanooks scored with about 56 seconds left in the 3rd period.
They will play Michigan in the CCHA semis.
[quote Rita]Alaska 1 v. OSU 0. final.
the Nanooks scored with about 56 seconds left in the 3rd period.
They will play Michigan in the CCHA semis.[/quote]
I read it was a very strange looking goal.
That moves Miami to 14t with SLU, and OSU down to 16. BC is now 17, but with only 7 PW comparisons won, vs. 11 for SLU.
We could have a great crowd in Bridgeport. For students, one of the closest possible regional venues to Ithaca (further than Albany or Rochester, sure, but still not very far). For alumni, there are a zillion of us in NYC. I think Cornell would have a better shot as a 4 there against, say, BU, than as a 3 in Minnesota in a rubber game against the Sioux.
Cornell looks like a #3 seed. It will be difficult for them to become a #2. If they win the conference, they will win their comparison with UNH, but possibly not with Vermont. Neither of those two will be playing next weekend.
Edit: Using the Pairwise predictor at CHN, I found a number of scenarios where Cornell could be a #2 seed. They require Cornell to win twice in Albany and N. Dakota to lose in the WCHA semifinal. However, the predictor does not include consolation games. It's here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/yatc.php
Flyers1037 pointed out that the consolation games show up after the first set of winners is entered.
Sportscenter thinks that Cornell is in saying: "Cornell hockey should also make the NCAA Hockey Tournament" after talking about the Men's Bball seeding.
I haven't tried working a lot of combinations but I would bet that it's in our best interest for the top seeds in the CCHA, WCHA and HEA to advance next Friday. That is, Michigan, both ND's, Denver, BU and Northeastern. That would ensure no AQ's from lower ranked teams, thus maximizing the likelihood of us getting a bid if we don't win the title in Albany.
After next weekend, Cornell will reach the 10 team minimum for TUC, hopefully at 6-5 with non head-to-head teams. Four teams in the top 25 will not reach the 10 team limit this year: Yale, Princeton, RIT and Air Force.
[quote Beeeej][quote KeithK]I'd be very surprised if they kept a Yale/Princeton or Yale/Cornell matchup in the first round. If things were to stay the way they are you might see Yale moved to either Minnesota or New Hampshire, thus avoiding the issue.[/quote]
Yale's a host at Bridgeport. They're not going anywhere but Bridgeport.[/quote]
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a scenario where Cornell will be sent to Bridgeport. Yale looks like they will be a 2 or 3 seed, blocking Cornell from that venue.
[quote KeithK][quote Beeeej]
Yale's a host at Bridgeport. They're not going anywhere but Bridgeport.[/quote]
OK, forgot that. I still think they would scrap bracket integrity to avoid first round matchups.[/quote]
Haven't they (and their listed seeding criteria) explicitly said otherwise? I thought no-intra-conference games was a 'nice to have if possible', but band seeding was a 'have to have'.
If things stay as is, due to hosts, Yale is in Bridgeport as a #2, Minn is in Minn as the #3, and UNH in NH as the #3. The remaining 3s are Cornell & Princeton, with the only two slots being Bridgeport & Grand Rapids, so there would *need* to be an intra-conference matchup with Yale.
Seeing as Yale is 7 & Cornell is currently 10, at this very moment, the natural 7-10 matchup would likely see Cornell sent to Bridgeport, but of course that detail could easily change.
CU just needs to make sure they do no worse then split next week. if they lose 2 its almost impossible for them to get in even with all the favs winning.
[quote grizzdan24]Sportscenter thinks that Cornell is in saying: "Cornell hockey should also make the NCAA Hockey Tournament" after talking about the Men's Bball seeding.[/quote]
I suspect that got in because the Bristol intern writing the copy was passingly acquainted with ECAC hockey, not because of any serious analysis. ;-)
[quote lynah80]Cornell looks like a #3 seed. It will be difficult for them to become a #2. If they win the conference, they will win their comparison with UNH, but possibly not with Vermont. Neither of those two will be playing next weekend.
Edit: Using the Pairwise predictor at CHN, I found a number of scenarios where Cornell could be a #2 seed. They require Cornell to win twice in Albany and N. Dakota to lose in the WCHA semifinal. However, the predictor does not include consolation games. It's here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/yatc.php[/quote]
The consolation games show up on the far left side of the script (before the semifinal matches), I found it on my second try after it told me that consolation games weren't included in the "final" PWR.
[quote grizzdan24]Sportscenter thinks that Cornell is in saying: "Cornell hockey should also make the NCAA Hockey Tournament" after talking about the Men's Bball seeding.[/quote]
I noticed that too. Granted John Buccigross is one of the few SC people that know what a hockey puck looks like, they still really don't get they NC$$ hockey selection process. AUUGGGHHH.
[quote DeltaOne81]Haven't they (and their listed seeding criteria) explicitly said otherwise? I thought no-intra-conference games was a 'nice to have if possible', but band seeding was a 'have to have'.
If things stay as is, due to hosts, Yale is in Bridgeport as a #2, Minn is in Minn as the #3, and UNH in NH as the #3. The remaining 3s are Cornell & Princeton, with the only two slots being Bridgeport & Grand Rapids, so there would *need* to be an intra-conference matchup with Yale.[/quote]
Well - no-intra-conference games remains an equally sacrosanct policy ... however, in your scenario, the two concepts would clash in an "immovable object meets unstoppable force" kind of situation. This happened last year when Denver and Wisconsin had to play in the first round in Madison.
So Yes, in your scenario, some ECAC team would have to play Yale. I think this will shake out, however.
[quote adamw][quote DeltaOne81]Haven't they (and their listed seeding criteria) explicitly said otherwise? I thought no-intra-conference games was a 'nice to have if possible', but band seeding was a 'have to have'.
If things stay as is, due to hosts, Yale is in Bridgeport as a #2, Minn is in Minn as the #3, and UNH in NH as the #3. The remaining 3s are Cornell & Princeton, with the only two slots being Bridgeport & Grand Rapids, so there would *need* to be an intra-conference matchup with Yale.[/quote]
Well - no-intra-conference games remains an equally sacrosanct policy ... however, in your scenario, the two concepts would clash in an "immovable object meets unstoppable force" kind of situation. This happened last year when Denver and Wisconsin had to play in the first round in Madison.
So Yes, in your scenario, some ECAC team would have to play Yale. I think this will shake out, however.[/quote]
And wasn't last year's scenario further complicated by the fact that the WHCA had 5 teams in the tourney and with CC and Wisconsin hosting.
Well the one good thing out of last year's tourney was the "Wisconsin rule" where a team has to have a .500 or better record to get an at large bid.
[quote Flyers1037][quote lynah80]Cornell looks like a #3 seed. It will be difficult for them to become a #2. If they win the conference, they will win their comparison with UNH, but possibly not with Vermont. Neither of those two will be playing next weekend.
Edit: Using the Pairwise predictor at CHN, I found a number of scenarios where Cornell could be a #2 seed. They require Cornell to win twice in Albany and N. Dakota to lose in the WCHA semifinal. However, the predictor does not include consolation games. It's here:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/yatc.php[/quote]
The consolation games show up on the far left side of the script (before the semifinal matches), I found it on my second try after it told me that consolation games weren't included in the "final" PWR.[/quote]
Thank you.