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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: BMac on October 09, 2008, 03:45:32 PM

Title: Red White Game?
Post by: BMac on October 09, 2008, 03:45:32 PM
When is the Red/White game this year?

Can't wait!
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: amerks127 on October 09, 2008, 03:53:09 PM
I was told by another fan that there won't be a Red/White game this year. He told me that Schafer said something about schedules, practice times, and exhibition games all coming too close together this year. So, the first game will be 10/18 vs. the US-U18 Team.

I think we're all disappointed.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: RichH on October 09, 2008, 04:02:00 PM
[quote BMac]When is the Red/White game this year?

Can't wait![/quote]

Schedule doesn't say, but if the first exhibition (USA U-18 team) is on the 18th, it would stand to reason that Red/White would be this weekend.  Especially since many other D1 teams have already played exhibition games this past weekend.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: JDeafv on October 09, 2008, 04:13:00 PM
Cornell's first official practice is not until the 17th.  Usually, the Red/White game coincides with the first official practice, but not if it's the night before the U-18 game.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: Cornell11 on October 09, 2008, 04:46:06 PM
i dont have season tickets...

do i have to pay to attend the exhibition game vs the U-18 team?
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: hockeychick470 on October 09, 2008, 04:48:50 PM
Yes
Title: No Red/White game this year
Post by: sah67 on October 09, 2008, 06:38:30 PM
Big Red Puckhead reported a few weeks ago that there would be no red/white game this year, as Amerks already mentioned:

http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/2008/09/no-redwhite-game.html
Title: Re: No Red/White game this year
Post by: slh10 on October 10, 2008, 01:43:28 PM
I actually called the hockey office last week and talked with Sue Detzer, who explained that the reason for no Red/White is indeed due to the start of official practices being the 17th. You can thank the Ivy League for this policy of starting later than the rest of the NCAA.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: Rosey on October 16, 2008, 12:36:10 PM
I'm puzzled by the Ivy League restrictions on schedules.  I understand the principle of wanting to preserve the "student" in "student athlete", but I don't understand why a one-size-fits-all policy restricting the number/start date of practices and games is necessary.  It seems that simply requiring a certain performance in the classroom (e.g., credits + GPA) would provide the necessary feedback while allowing the student athletes to exercise their judgment.  The existing restrictions seem arbitrary, anyway: how, for example, does the Ivy League determine the limits for hockey, football, etc.?

Kyle
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: ithacat on October 16, 2008, 12:47:30 PM
Relative to NCAA restrictions, I believe it's only football and hockey which have reductions in practices and games. Which, of course, makes it even more arbitrary.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: RichH on October 16, 2008, 01:21:10 PM
[quote Kyle Rose]I'm puzzled by the Ivy League restrictions[/quote]

That's really all you need to say to get near universal agreement on this forum.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: Beeeej on October 16, 2008, 02:26:34 PM
[quote RichH][quote Kyle Rose]I'm puzzled by the Ivy League restrictions[/quote]

That's really all you need to say to get near universal agreement on this forum.[/quote]

On this issue, I am a staunch proponent of deregulation.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: KeithK on October 16, 2008, 03:38:31 PM
[quote Kyle Rose]The existing restrictions seem arbitrary, anyway: how, for example, does the Ivy League determine the limits for hockey, football, etc.?[/quote]
You make it sound like there is some ongoing process where the league decides what is best suited for each sport, etc.  I suspect it's more like the rules got set one way years ago, for whatever reason, and then they stay that way until someone can get enough AD's interested in changing it.  Rules usually have strong inertia so they're not easy to change. It takes more than a positive argument for why your suggested rule (season start date, number of games, whatever) is good.  You have to successfully argue that it is clearly better than the exisitng rule and that it's worth the trouble to change.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: Robb on October 17, 2008, 04:26:41 AM
[quote ithacat]Relative to NCAA restrictions, I believe it's only football and hockey which have reductions in practices and games. Which, of course, makes it even more arbitrary.[/quote]When I was on the fencing team (early 90's), the start date for ALL Ivy League winter sports practices was around October 15.  Before that, we had to do the "captain's practice" nonsense just like the hockey team did.  I'm 99% certain that this was more restrictive than the NCAA rule in place at the time, because the coaches always 1) referred to it as an Ivy League rule, and 2) complained that it put us at a disadvantage early in the season relative to non-Ivy schools.

A lot has changed since 1994, believe it or not, so this may not be the case any longer.
Title: Re: Red White Game?
Post by: Townie on October 18, 2008, 11:52:50 AM
[quote KeithK][quote Kyle Rose]The existing restrictions seem arbitrary, anyway: how, for example, does the Ivy League determine the limits for hockey, football, etc.?[/quote]
You make it sound like there is some ongoing process where the league decides what is best suited for each sport, etc.  I suspect it's more like the rules got set one way years ago, for whatever reason, and then they stay that way until someone can get enough AD's interested in changing it.  Rules usually have strong inertia so they're not easy to change. It takes more than a positive argument for why your suggested rule (season start date, number of games, whatever) is good.  You have to successfully argue that it is clearly better than the exisitng rule and that it's worth the trouble to change.[/quote]
The school Presidents might need to approve as well.