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Title: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: jksnake06 on March 19, 2008, 01:38:01 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3298 184
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3293 272

Apparently, ESPN's analysis of similarities between teams that pull major upsets (5 seed lines or more) revealed some common characteristics of giant killer... and Cornell fits most of them.

Interestingly, Siena doesn't do very well on ESPN's scale and they are the trendy upset pick, though that has as much to do with the consensus that Vandy got over seeded than it has to do with the Saints.

Based on this analysis, I'm increasing my confidence level for a Cornell win from 7% to 12%.

Headed down to So Cal tomorrow. Go Big Red.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: DeltaOne81 on March 19, 2008, 06:51:03 AM
I'm getting errors with those links... ::help::
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Al DeFlorio on March 19, 2008, 07:38:55 AM
[quote DeltaOne81]I'm getting errors with those links... ::help::[/quote]
Yep.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Chris '03 on March 19, 2008, 07:40:56 AM
Try:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3293272

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3298184
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: CM cWo 44 on March 19, 2008, 08:54:19 AM
Very subjective criterion to bestow upon a potential cindarella.

HOWEVER, I thought the most interesting note was that no "Giant Killer" (by their definition, a team that knocks off an opponent seeded #5 or higher), has fit any less than 5 of their 9 categories. Seems there is something to it.

At the very least, Cornell fitting a tourney-high 8 of 9 categories can't be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: mnagowski on March 19, 2008, 09:02:53 AM
Isn't Khaliq a senior? We should nine of nine...
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: CM cWo 44 on March 19, 2008, 09:10:45 AM
[quote metaezra]Isn't Khaliq a senior? We should nine of nine...[/quote]

That criteria was that the team starts two seniors.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Chris '03 on March 19, 2008, 04:16:24 PM
Sports gal has Cornell losing..... in the sweet sixteen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080318
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Beeeej on March 19, 2008, 04:20:58 PM
[quote Chris '03]Sports gal has Cornell losing..... in the sweet sixteen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080318[/quote]

Not quite... she has them losing to Marquette, which would be a second round game.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Chris '03 on March 19, 2008, 04:23:22 PM
[quote Beeeej][quote Chris '03]Sports gal has Cornell losing..... in the sweet sixteen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080318[/quote]

Not quite... she has them losing to Marquette, which would be a second round game.[/quote]::whistle:: that's what I get for seeing "sweet sixteen picks" and thinking it was picks for the round of 16.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Jordan 04 on March 19, 2008, 04:24:05 PM
Phil's mom picked Cornell. Tony was quite pleased.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: RichH on March 19, 2008, 04:29:22 PM
[quote Chris '03]Sports gal has Cornell losing..... in the sweet sixteen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080318[/quote]

Well, that's really the round of 32, with her winners making it to the sweet sixteen.  We would play Marquette (or Kentucky) in the next round.  (Edit: I'm slow)

The filled out bracket on the front page of "Page 2" today has Cornell in the Elite 8, beating Stanford, Marquette, and Texas before losing to Michigan State.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: Beeeej on March 19, 2008, 04:38:03 PM
[quote RichH][quote Chris '03]Sports gal has Cornell losing..... in the sweet sixteen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080318[/quote]

Well, that's really the round of 32, with her winners making it to the sweet sixteen.  We would play Marquette (or Kentucky) in the next round.  (Edit: I'm slow)

The filled out bracket on the front page of "Page 2" today has Cornell in the Elite 8, beating Stanford, Marquette, and Texas before losing to Michigan State.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index[/quote]

...punctuated with "Upset!" scribbled on the Cornell win over Texas.

I picked Cornell to beat Stanford and then Kentucky, only to lose to Texas in Houston.  Yes, even in the brackets that cost me money.  Do I really believe it could happen?

Sure.
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: CM cWo 44 on March 19, 2008, 04:42:06 PM
Giant killer update http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3301237

QuoteStanford (3) vs. Cornell (14)
The GK Take: We've been all over the Big Red for weeks. With eight points, they're tied as the top-ranked Giant Killer. Cornell's only flaw is starting only one senior. Well, Stanford only tips off with one senior, too. Cornell has the perfect counter to Stanford's plodding frontcourt—a perimeter-oriented squad that out-shoots opponents by 5.5 percentage points beyond the arc. The numbers say you should give this one a shot.
The Human Touch: You know who's unlucky? The econ major who has to defend seven-footer Brook Lopez (who missed that game against Siena, by the way). The not-so-Big-Red doesn't have the bodies to keep Brook and bro Robin from dominating this one.

"Not-so-Big-Red" hahah, good stuff
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: KeithK on March 19, 2008, 05:05:50 PM
[quote Beeeej]I picked Cornell to beat Stanford and then Kentucky, only to lose to Texas in Houston.  Yes, even in the brackets that cost me money.  Do I really believe it could happen?

Sure.[/quote]
Could, yes.  Will it?  Probably not.  But then it's not like you're betting a lot of money specifically on the Cornell game(s).
Title: Re: Cornell a giant killer?
Post by: RichH on March 19, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
[quote KeithK][quote Beeeej]I picked Cornell to beat Stanford and then Kentucky, only to lose to Texas in Houston.  Yes, even in the brackets that cost me money.  Do I really believe it could happen?

Sure.[/quote]
Could, yes.  Will it?  Probably not.  But then it's not like you're betting a lot of money specifically on the Cornell game(s).[/quote]

14.5 is a big spread.