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Title: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 3/1
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 10, 2008, 10:03:20 AM
The best place to work out the full ECAC year is at John Whelan's ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?2008/ecac.cgimain.shtml)

However, back before the days of computers (yes they did play hockey way back then, and some of us were even watching it), I used to always wait for "The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter" to come out with their issue showing the standings and the remaining games. I still find it an easy way to watch and think about upcoming weeks.

If you see mistakes, let me know.

  PTS ECAC REST OF THE YEAR
CLK 31 14-4-3 QUN
PRN 28 14-7-0 @SLU
HVD 25 11-7-3 @COR
UNI 25 10-6-5 @BRN
COR 25 13-8-1 HVD
QUN 22 9-8-4 @CLK
YLE 20 8-9-4 RPI
CLG 21 8-8-5 DRT
RPI 15      6-12-3 @YLE
SLU 14 6-13-2 PRN
BRN 13 5-13-3 UNI
DRT 13 5-13-3 @CLG




Now, after looking at this you can all go put in your choices in John's script. Have fun.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: ursusminor on February 10, 2008, 02:47:46 PM
I remember living here in DC and sometimes not finding out RPI scores for a couple of weeks until the IcHN showed up. It makes one understand how the Battle of New Orleans could have been fought after the War of 1812 had ended.

The editor/publisher, Don Birkmayer, followed Ned Harkness about 30 years later in moving from Troy to Ithaca.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: marty on February 10, 2008, 06:18:36 PM
[quote ursusminor]
The editor/publisher, Don Birkmayer, followed Ned Harkness about 30 years later in moving from Troy to Ithaca.[/quote]

Editor/publisher of what?  I only knew him as the Houston announcer.  (Thread drift award?)
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: Trotsky on February 10, 2008, 06:24:35 PM
[quote marty][quote ursusminor]
The editor/publisher, Don Birkmayer, followed Ned Harkness about 30 years later in moving from Troy to Ithaca.[/quote]

Editor/publisher of what?  I only knew him as the Houston announcer.  (Thread drift award?)[/quote]IcHN, a fantastic college hockey resource from the old days.  Weekly, typewritten on colored paper, zero production value, zero fluff.  It was the inspiration for the original paper version of TBRW.  He did it from the 60's (maybe earlier) through the early 90's.

I had no idea Don wound up in Ithaca.  I thought IcHN was published from Troy for its whole tenure.

Here's (http://books.google.com/books?id=AjKGMijGvEoC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=%22The+Intercollegiate+Hockey+Newsletter%22&source=web&ots=Za8cZhdA7L&sig=v0y8nchE3PMwx3wQ0mdTujPlwI8) a picture from Stutt's RPI book.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 10, 2008, 07:20:02 PM
[quote Trotsky][quote marty][quote ursusminor]
The editor/publisher, Don Birkmayer, followed Ned Harkness about 30 years later in moving from Troy to Ithaca.[/quote]

Editor/publisher of what?  I only knew him as the Houston announcer.  (Thread drift award?)[/quote]IcHN, a fantastic college hockey resource from the old days.  Weekly, typewritten on colored paper, zero production value, zero fluff.  It was the inspiration for the original paper version of TBRW.  He did it from the 60's (maybe earlier) through the early 90's.

I had no idea Don wound up in Ithaca.  I thought IcHN was published from Troy for its whole tenure.

Here's (http://books.google.com/books?id=AjKGMijGvEoC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=%22The+Intercollegiate+Hockey+Newsletter%22&source=web&ots=Za8cZhdA7L&sig=v0y8nchE3PMwx3wQ0mdTujPlwI8) a picture from Stutt's RPI book.[/quote]Ralph may know better, but I think he moved after publication ceased.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: ursusminor on February 10, 2008, 09:30:38 PM
[quote Jim Hyla][quote Trotsky][quote marty][quote ursusminor]
The editor/publisher, Don Birkmayer, followed Ned Harkness about 30 years later in moving from Troy to Ithaca.[/quote]

Editor/publisher of what?  I only knew him as the Houston announcer.  (Thread drift award?)[/quote]IcHN, a fantastic college hockey resource from the old days.  Weekly, typewritten on colored paper, zero production value, zero fluff.  It was the inspiration for the original paper version of TBRW.  He did it from the 60's (maybe earlier) through the early 90's.

I had no idea Don wound up in Ithaca.  I thought IcHN was published from Troy for its whole tenure.

Here's (http://books.google.com/books?id=AjKGMijGvEoC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=%22The+Intercollegiate+Hockey+Newsletter%22&source=web&ots=Za8cZhdA7L&sig=v0y8nchE3PMwx3wQ0mdTujPlwI8) a picture from Stutt's RPI book.[/quote]Ralph may know better, but I think he moved after publication ceased.[/quote]
Someone else was the editor and publisher the last few years. He was still in Troy as long as he was editor/publisher.

Without climbing up to a high shelf to look at the copies that I have, I am pretty sure it came out only every two weeks as there were only about a dozen issues per year at most.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: mttgrmm on February 11, 2008, 03:10:21 AM
unless I'm reading this totally wrong, the Cornell line should read:


COR   19   9-6-1   UNI   RPI   @QUN   @PRN   DRT   HVD


thanks for putting the list together.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: Trotsky on February 11, 2008, 01:12:33 PM
Personally, I prefer "Qpc," in the abbreviational tradition of "Pgh."
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: ursusminor on February 11, 2008, 04:02:11 PM
[quote Trotsky]Personally, I prefer "Qpc," in the abbreviational tradition of "Pgh."[/quote] I prefer FDT for their nickname. ;-)


Edit: Or is it SDT?
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: lynah80 on February 11, 2008, 04:53:30 PM
Very nice summary.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 11, 2008, 06:18:12 PM
[quote mttgrmm]unless I'm reading this totally wrong, the Cornell line should read:


COR   19   9-6-1   UNI   RPI   @QUN   @PRN   DRT   HVD


thanks for putting the list together.[/quote]

Thank you, you're obviously correct. I changed it a few times until I finally did Excel to make it come out legibly. Screwed it up with a change, I guess. If anyone else has a correction, let me know.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: ShardZ on February 12, 2008, 03:21:43 AM
Quote from: Jim Hylawe will have a difficult time vaulting into second or third, but if we win 4 games we should finish fourth.

I disagree, I think 2nd or 3rd are both plausible.  In my mind, a win against either Princeton or Q-pac would make it very possible for us to jump over that team.  They are each only 3 ahead...with the win we'd only need a single point that they don't get over the other 5 games, and both of them have @CLK left.  
I remember not being overly impressed with Q when they were in Lynah earlier this year (though I cant remember any details at the moment).  And having been at both ECAC Clarkson games this year, where they beat us two different ways, I unfortunately have high expectations for the Knights for the remainder of the season.  I am confident in their ability to "help us" with a win in their own arena, at least against Q.  So at the very least, taking 3rd from Q should be doable.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 12, 2008, 07:37:42 AM
[quote ShardZ]
Quote from: Jim Hylawe will have a difficult time vaulting into second or third, but if we win 4 games we should finish fourth.

I disagree, I think 2nd or 3rd are both plausible.  In my mind, a win against either Princeton or Q-pac would make it very possible for us to jump over that team.  They are each only 3 ahead...with the win we'd only need a single point that they don't get over the other 5 games, and both of them have @CLK left.  
I remember not being overly impressed with Q when they were in Lynah earlier this year (though I cant remember any details at the moment).  And having been at both ECAC Clarkson games this year, where they beat us two different ways, I unfortunately have high expectations for the Knights for the remainder of the season.  I am confident in their ability to "help us" with a win in their own arena, at least against Q.  So at the very least, taking 3rd from Q should be doable.[/quote]

I would agree that it's possible, but arguing over semantics::looking::, I'd say plausible is  more difficult::screwy::. We (Q,P and us) all play Dmth and Hvd. Let's assume we do the same against those common opponents. Then we beat one of the two, Q or P, and both of them beat Colgate. So one of them is 5 points ahead of us with 2 other games left. So, second is out. Since we both, meaning us and which ever (Q,P) team we beat, got 2 points from our series against them, we are still 3 points behind with 2 other games.  God, this is beginning to sound like counting delegates in the primaries. Could we do it, yes. Would it be difficult, yes.

I guess my point is that it'll require a lot of help from other teams.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 16, 2008, 11:44:50 PM
[quote Jim Hyla][quote ShardZ]
Quote from: Jim Hylawe will have a difficult time vaulting into second or third, but if we win 4 games we should finish fourth.

I disagree, I think 2nd or 3rd are both plausible.  In my mind, a win against either Princeton or Q-pac would make it very possible for us to jump over that team.  They are each only 3 ahead...with the win we'd only need a single point that they don't get over the other 5 games, and both of them have @CLK left.  
I remember not being overly impressed with Q when they were in Lynah earlier this year (though I cant remember any details at the moment).  And having been at both ECAC Clarkson games this year, where they beat us two different ways, I unfortunately have high expectations for the Knights for the remainder of the season.  I am confident in their ability to "help us" with a win in their own arena, at least against Q.  So at the very least, taking 3rd from Q should be doable.[/quote]

I would agree that it's possible, but arguing over semantics::looking::, I'd say plausible is  more difficult::screwy::. We (Q,P and us) all play Dmth and Hvd. Let's assume we do the same against those common opponents. Then we beat one of the two, Q or P, and both of them beat Colgate. So one of them is 5 points ahead of us with 2 other games left. So, second is out. Since we both, meaning us and which ever (Q,P) team we beat, got 2 points from our series against them, we are still 3 points behind with 2 other games.  God, this is beginning to sound like counting delegates in the primaries. Could we do it, yes. Would it be difficult, yes.

I guess my point is that it'll require a lot of help from other teams.[/quote]

Well, we got that help. If only we had helped ourselves. I've updated the first post, after results from this weekends games.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/15
Post by: daredevilcu on February 17, 2008, 12:10:03 AM
Clarkson, Princeton, Quinnipiac, and Cornell have all locked up home ice in the playoffs for at least the first round.  None of them can finish worse than 8th.  

Also, SLU, RPI, Brown, and Dartmouth will all be playing in the first weekend.  None of them can break into the top 4, although all have a chance at home ice.  With one more win, Colgate could seal that off and make it so only SLU has a shot at it.  Big gap this year between 1-8 and 9-12 this late.  As early as Friday next week we could know who's going on the road for the first round.

All teams, 1-8, are within striking distance of first place.  Hooray ECAC, always taking it down to the final game of the final weekend and beyond.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, one possibility for 2/24
Post by: lynah80 on February 18, 2008, 09:12:37 PM
Next weekend will be very challenging for Cornell.  It looks like they will need at least 2 points to stay in fourth place.  

One possibility is below.  Winners for each game are in bold.  For ties, both teams are bold.  The visiting team is first.

Friday

CLG PRN    
COR QUN
CLK UNI
SLU RPI
YLE HVD      
BRN DRT


Saturday

COR PRN
SLU UNI
CLK RPI
BRN HVD   
YLE DRT

Sunday
CLG QUN


Then the standings on February 24 will look like this:

29 CLK 13 - 4 - 3
28 PRN 14 - 6 - 0  
24 QUN 10 - 6 - 4
23 COR 11 - 8 - 1
23 HVD 10 - 7 - 3
23 YLE  9  - 6 - 5
23 UNI  9  - 6 - 5
18 CLG  7 - 9 - 4
13 DRT  5 - 12 - 3
13 RPI  5 - 12 - 3
12 SLU  5 - 13 - 2
11 BRN  4 - 13 - 3


Although Cornell would be in a 4-way tie for fourth, their last 2 games are at Lynah, which will help a lot.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, one possibility for 2/24
Post by: daredevilcu on February 18, 2008, 10:05:17 PM
I like it, but why not go for the five-way tie?  Have Colgate tie with Quinnipiac on Sunday!

Except for that whole Princeton being 1 point out of first and Clarkson not sweeping... I sure hope that doesn't end up being the case.  Here's my favorite what-if so far.  Using the same method lynah80 did...

Friday

CLG PRN
COR QUN
CLK UNI
SLU RPI
YLE HVD
BRN DRT


Saturday

COR PRN
SLU UNI
CLK RPI
BRN HVD
YLE DRT

Sunday
CLG QUN

Standings with those results would be...

1.  30 Clarkson
2.  25 Princeton
3.  24 Quinnipiac
    24 Cornell
    24 Harvard
6.  22 Union
    22 Colgate
    22 Yale
9.  13 Dartmouth
    13 Rensselaer
    12 St. Lawrence
    11 Brown

Now, I haven't figured in the tiebreakers yet, but I will get to that later when I'm a little less tired.  What I do know is those results will guarantee Clarkson the Cleary Cup by the end of the weekend... therefore, and it almost pains me to say this, GO CORNELL.  If you guys sweep and Colgate beats Princeton, Clarkson can wrap it up with a sweep of their own.  Plus if you guys can wrap up a first-round bye, I won't have to worry about facing you guys until Albany, hockey gods willing.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, the USCHO prediction for 2/24
Post by: lynah80 on February 22, 2008, 01:11:37 AM
USCHO has a different view of things than I did in my previous post.  See:

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,15285/ThisWeekinECACHockeyFeb212008.html

Their predictions are summarized below.  Winners for each game are in bold. For ties, both teams are bold. The visiting team is first.

Friday

CLG PRN
COR QUN
CLK UNI
SLU RPI
YLE HVD
BRN DRT


Saturday

COR PRN
SLU UNI
CLK RPI
BRN HVD
YLE DRT

Sunday
CLG QUN


With these results, the standings on February 24 will look like this:

30 CLK 14 - 4 - 2
28 PRN 14 - 6 - 0
24 HVD 11 - 7 - 2
24 QUN 10 - 6 - 4
22 YLE 9 - 7 - 4
22 UNI 9 - 7 - 4
21 COR 10 - 9 - 1
20 CLG 8 - 8 - 4
13 DRT 5 - 12 - 3
13 RPI 5 - 12 - 3
12 SLU 5 - 13 - 2
11 BRN 4 - 13 - 3

Let's see who's expectations turn out to be more accurate on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, the USCHO prediction for 2/24
Post by: Josh '99 on February 22, 2008, 11:34:12 AM
[quote lynah80]With these results, the standings on February 24 will look like this:

30 CLK 14 - 4 - 2
28 PRN 14 - 6 - 0
24 HVD 11 - 7 - 2
24 QUN 10 - 6 - 4
22 YLE 9 - 7 - 4
22 UNI 9 - 7 - 4
21 COR 10 - 9 - 1
20 CLG 8 - 8 - 4
13 DRT 5 - 12 - 3
13 RPI 5 - 12 - 3
12 SLU 5 - 13 - 2
11 BRN 4 - 13 - 3

Let's see who's expectations turn out to be more accurate on Sunday.[/quote]The distance we can drop with a zero-point road weekend highlights how important these games are.  Anywhere between 3 and 8 is possible, and it's really a wide open race for those spots.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 22, 2008, 09:45:17 PM
Bump, redid it after tonight.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Trotsky on February 22, 2008, 10:52:24 PM
A scenario to win the RS with no ties and as few upsets as I could manage:

Ya Da
Bn Ha
Cr Pn *
Ck RP **
SL Un
Cg Qn **

Un Ya
Qn Sl
RP Bn
Ha Cg
Da Cr
Pn Ck *

Un Bn
Qn Ck *
RP Ya
Ha Cr
Da Cg
Pn SL **

* Slight upset
** Big upset

Final standings:

29 Cornell
28 Princeton
27 Clarkson
27 Union
26 Harvard
26 Quinnipiac
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: BCrespi on February 22, 2008, 11:14:33 PM
From the look of your standings, Q would not have to lose to Gate for us to win the league, thus eliminating one of the big upsets,
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Scersk '97 on February 23, 2008, 02:18:51 AM
[quote Trotsky]
Final standings:

29 Cornell
28 Princeton
27 Clarkson
27 Union
26 Harvard
26 Quinnipiac[/quote]

Which would be a new (dubious?) record for lowest points to garner the 1st seed in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Chris '03 on February 23, 2008, 07:53:27 AM
And a way for Cornell to lose the Cleary on the last night of the season and finish 5th... I haven't played around enough to see if H and C could meet winner take all or not. I doubt it can happen.

Ya Da
Bn Ha
Cr Pn *
Ck RP TIE
SL Un
Cg Qn TIE

Un Ya
Qn Sl
RP Bn
Ha Cg
Da Cr
Pn Ck *

Un Bn
Qn Ck *
RP Ya
Ha Cr
Da Cg
Pn SL **

* Slight upset
** Big upset

Final standings:

28 Clarkson
28 Princeton
28 Harvard
27 Union
27 Cornell
27 Quinnipiac

EDIT: Changing only the Clk/RPI result to an RPI win and this is the final finish:
Princeton
Harvard
Union
Cornell
Quinnipiac
Clarkson

Has Cornell ever finished a season looking up at both Princeton and Union?
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Beeeej on February 23, 2008, 10:16:43 AM
[quote Chris '03]Has Cornell ever finished a season looking up at both Princeton and Union?[/quote]

No.  Cornell has only finished below Union once, in 1994 - 8th & 6th respectively - and Princeton finished 9th that year.  Even when we finished 11th in 1993, Union was 12th.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Avash on February 23, 2008, 01:21:00 PM
[quote Scersk '97][quote Trotsky]
Final standings:

29 Cornell
28 Princeton
27 Clarkson
27 Union
26 Harvard
26 Quinnipiac[/quote]

Which would be a new (dubious?) record for lowest points to garner the 1st seed in the playoffs.[/quote]

Cornell and Harvard finished tied for first with 29 points in 1973 -- the only ECAC season where no team reached 30 points.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Scersk '97 on February 23, 2008, 04:09:38 PM
[quote Avash][quote Scersk '97][quote Trotsky]
Final standings:

29 Cornell
28 Princeton
27 Clarkson
27 Union
26 Harvard
26 Quinnipiac[/quote]

Which would be a new (dubious?) record for lowest points to garner the 1st seed in the playoffs.[/quote]

Cornell and Harvard finished tied for first with 29 points in 1973 -- the only ECAC season where no team reached 30 points.[/quote]

I suppose I should have limited my comment, but that was "pre-modern," or before 1985, so each team played an unbalanced in-league schedule of between 10 (Army) (!) and 22 games.  Both Harvard and Cornell played 18 that season.  (Army's half-season was pretty normal, but what happened to Yale?  12 games in-league and 10 out.  What... an extended Canada trip?)
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/22
Post by: Al DeFlorio on February 23, 2008, 04:22:31 PM
[quote Scersk '97]
I suppose I should have limited my comment, but that was "pre-modern," or before 1985, so each team played an unbalanced in-league schedule of between 10 (Army) (!) and 22 games.  Both Harvard and Cornell played 18 that season.  (Army's half-season was pretty normal, but what happened to Yale?  12 games in-league and 10 out.  What... an extended Canada trip?)[/quote]
The Yale players were busy clearing dinosaurs off the ice.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Beating Princeton
Post by: lynah80 on February 23, 2008, 05:00:39 PM
Last night, Princeton had Jubinville, Wilson and MacIntyre on their first line.  They have a combined total of 30 goals and 83 points this year.  Mike will obviously try to get Scali, Fontas and Mugford on the ice with them, but given that the game is away, he will probably have to do that on the fly rather than after whistles.  Another possible approach to shutting down the Princeton first line would be to go with 7 or more defensemen.  

MacIntyre has missed a fair amount of ice time recently.  Does any one know why?  When he is not on the ice, Kramer (8-7-15, a freshman) usually takes his place.    

I think one weakness that Princeton has is goaltending.  Kalemba's numbers are mediocre (.908 save%, 2.63 GAA).  He was pulled in the loss at Union on Feb 1 2008, after he gave up 4 goals during the first 2 periods.  I think having Mike Kennedy back on the ice is a huge plus for the Big Red; it gives them two big scoring lines rather than just one.  

Cornell skated very hard against Quinnipiac last night and coming back with another big game tonight will not be easy.  I don't know how fresh Princeton will be.  The game summaries suggest that they really out skated Colgate, rather than out muscled them.  Princeton had 6 breakaways; there were also a number of other Colgate defensive breakdowns.  A total of 16 minor penalties were called, which is high, but not excessive.   I was surprised that Dekanich gave up 5 goals, but I think his defense just couldn't keep up with the Princeton offense.

I think it will take a lot of very strong defense and a few opportunistic goals to beat Princeton.  I doubt Mike Schafer needs any advice from me.

Go Big Red.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, one possibility for 2/24
Post by: daredevilcu on February 23, 2008, 05:44:28 PM
[quote lynah80]Next weekend will be very challenging for Cornell.  It looks like they will need at least 2 points to stay in fourth place.  

One possibility is below.  Winners for each game are in bold.  For ties, both teams are bold.  The visiting team is first.

Friday

CLG PRN    
COR QUN
CLK UNI
SLU RPI
YLE HVD      
BRN DRT

[/quote]

Nice job on those picks, lynah80.  The two you missed were pretty tough to call anyway, and the four that you got right were arguably even harder.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 23, 2008, 09:42:01 PM
Bump, updated. We better hope Colgate can do it tomorrow, otherwise Union losing to Brown or Yale? That's assuming we sweep next weekend. Sure would have been nice if Clarkson had helped. Go 'gate.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Scersk '97 on February 23, 2008, 09:59:01 PM
[quote Jim Hyla]Bump, updated. We better hope Colgate can do it tomorrow, otherwise Union losing to Brown or Yale? That's assuming we sweep next weekend. Sure would have been nice if Clarkson had helped. Go 'gate.[/quote]

Union losing to (or only picking up 3 points vs.) Yale and Brown on the road?  I don't think that's anywhere close to outside the realm of possibility, to ever so slightly anti-woof.  What's crucial is that we pick up at least a tie vs. Dartmouth on Friday; without a tie, all Saturday will be about is bragging rights.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: lynah80 on February 23, 2008, 10:12:51 PM
I think it's very likely that Cornell is going to need 4 points next weekend.  They played very well this weekend and if everyone stays healthy, they should have a good chance of beating both Dartmouth and Harvard at Lynah.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Give My Regards on February 23, 2008, 10:18:29 PM
If Quinnipiac beats Colgate, Cornell goes into the final weekend with no control over a first-round bye, since Union has the head-to-head tiebreaker edge on the Big Red.  We'd have to hope for a sweep coupled with either Union getting 3 or fewer points, or Quinnipiac losing at least once in the North Country.  Certainly neither of those is impossible, but still -- Go 'Gate!
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: daredevilcu on February 23, 2008, 10:20:21 PM
Dartmouth is really up and down.  They trounced Yale tonight, but lost to Brown on Friday.  Harvard's riding high, Richter is playing well and the team is on a 4-game win streak.  Cornell will have to be at the top of their game, definitely, and they'll be cheering for SLU, Clarkson, Brown and Yale for most of the weekend.

I have to figure Union will get at least 2 points out of that trip, so Cornell will need at least 3 because they lose that tiebreaker.  Quinnipiac will need to drop 2 of their last 3, I think, for the Red to get a bye.  With the NC trip, it's always possible, however if Clarkson wins on Friday against Princeton they wrap up the Cleary cup. If that happens, who knows if they'll be playing a bunch of seniors who don't play often on Saturday -- it is senior night.  Might give Q a better shot to defy what has been a fairly predictable outcome at Cheel this year.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 24, 2008, 12:11:40 AM
[quote daredevilcu]Quinnipiac will need to drop 2 of their last 3, I think, for the Red to get a bye. [/quote]

Actually, as said below, Q needs just one loss for us to have control. If they lose tomorrow, then, if we sweep they can't catch us.

Quote from: Give My RegardsIf Quinnipiac beats Colgate, Cornell goes into the final weekend with no control over a first-round bye, since Union has the head-to-head tiebreaker edge on the Big Red.

If Q loses, we jump ahead of Harvard and stay ahead of Q with a sweep. Then if Union doesn't sweep we get 3, if they also sweep, they win the tiebreaker with us and we are 4. I don't think anything else matters. Since Yale plays Union they can't both overtake us.

All this depends upon us sweeping. Go 'gate, beat Q and rough up Harvard before we play them.::smashfreak::

So who's watching 'gate at Q tomorrow? I believe it's on NESN, and I'm still active with Q's web feed.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 24, 2008, 03:11:25 PM
Well, we control our destiny. Win out and we have home ice. Thanks 'gate.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Rita on February 24, 2008, 03:30:55 PM
[quote Jim Hyla]Well, thanks to Colgate,we control our destiny. Win out and we have home ice. Thanks 'gate.[/quote]

One cannot ask for more than that. Given the ups and downs that the team has had, they are in a very good position heading into the final weekend.

LGR!
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Scersk '97 on February 24, 2008, 09:57:18 PM
We can also depend on the kindness of strangers:  there is, in fact, a scenario where we lose both games and end up in fourth.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Al DeFlorio on February 24, 2008, 10:02:45 PM
[quote Scersk '97]We can also depend on the kindness of strangers:  there is, in fact, a scenario where we lose both games and end up in fourth.[/quote]
Happened last year, but two years in a row would really be tempting the hockey gods.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Scersk '97 on February 24, 2008, 10:12:28 PM
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Scersk '97]We can also depend on the kindness of strangers:  there is, in fact, a scenario where we lose both games and end up in fourth.[/quote]
Happened last year, but two years in a row would really be tempting the hockey gods.[/quote]
Oh, I certainly agree.  Tempt ye not the hockey gods.

Last year, though, it was only three teams for 3rd and 4th; this year, it's six teams for 3rd and 4th, so backing into 4th would be quite the gift.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: BillCharlton on February 25, 2008, 01:46:19 AM
[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Scersk '97]We can also depend on the kindness of strangers:  there is, in fact, a scenario where we lose both games and end up in fourth.[/quote]
Happened last year, but two years in a row would really be tempting the hockey gods.[/quote]

Unless the hockey gods favor Cornell over all others in the pantheon of truly deserving hockey teams.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Al DeFlorio on February 25, 2008, 07:51:03 AM
[quote BillCharlton][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Scersk '97]We can also depend on the kindness of strangers:  there is, in fact, a scenario where we lose both games and end up in fourth.[/quote]
Happened last year, but two years in a row would really be tempting the hockey gods.[/quote]

Unless the hockey gods favor Cornell over all others in the pantheon of truly deserving hockey teams.[/quote]
The '04 and '07 quarterfinals raise doubt.::cry::
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: Trotsky on February 25, 2008, 02:13:02 PM
From the "when the heck did that happen?" department, according to collegehockeystats (http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0708/confstats/ecachm), Cornell is now #2 in powerplay and #2 in kill in conference play.

RPI is staving off history with 8 ppg and 7 sha going into the final league weekend.  They are (12, 11) overall.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: lynah80 on February 28, 2008, 05:20:17 AM
Below are my predictions for the coming weekend.  Winners for each game are in bold.  For ties, both teams are bold.  The visiting team is first.

Friday

HVD CLG    
DRT COR
PRN CLK
QUN SLU
UNI YLE      
RPI BRN


Saturday

DRT CLG
HVD COR
QUN CLK
PRN SLU   
RPI YLE
UNI BRN


With these results, the standings on March 1 would look like this:

32 CLK 14 - 4 - 4
31 PRN 15 - 6 - 1  
27 COR 13 - 8 - 1
26 HVD 12 - 8 - 2
25 UNI  10  - 7 - 5
24 QUN 10 - 8 - 4
24 YLE 10  - 8 - 4
22 CLG  9 - 9 - 4
15 BRN  6 - 13 - 3
13 RPI  5 - 14- 3
13 DRT  5 - 14 - 3
12 SLU  5 - 15 - 2

And the Big Red would have a bye for March 7-9.

============================================================================
I will post the USCHO predictions when they become available and do the arithmetic for the standings.  For last weekend, I tied USCHO for overall prediction accuracy.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: redice on February 28, 2008, 09:07:39 AM
[quote lynah80]Below are my predictions for the coming weekend.  Winners for each game are in bold.  For ties, both teams are bold.  The visiting team is first.

Friday

HVD CLG    
DRT COR
PRN CLK
QUN SLU
UNI YLE      
RPI BRN


Saturday

DRT CLG
HVD COR
QUN CLK
PRN SLU   
RPI YLE
UNI BRN


With these results, the standings on March 1 would look like this:

32 CLK 14 - 4 - 4
31 PRN 15 - 6 - 1  
27 COR 13 - 8 - 1
26 HVD 12 - 8 - 2
25 UNI  10  - 7 - 5
24 QUN 10 - 8 - 4
24 YLE 10  - 8 - 4
22 CLG  9 - 9 - 4
15 BRN  6 - 13 - 3
13 DRT  5 - 14 - 3
13 RPI  5 - 14- 3
12 SLU  5 - 15 - 2

And the Big Red would have a bye for March 7-9.

============================================================================
I will post the USCHO predictions when they become available and do the arithmetic for the standings.  For last weekend, I tied USCHO for overall prediction accuracy.[/quote]

While I'm usually please with the prospects of a 4-point weekend.  (especially when that includes a win over Hahvahd), I don't like the idea of a playoff series with Q.   Can we change those final standings a bit?  ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: Chris '03 on February 28, 2008, 09:16:52 AM
[quote redice][quote lynah80]Below are my predictions for the coming weekend.  Winners for each game are in bold.  For ties, both teams are bold.  The visiting team is first.

Friday

HVD CLG    
DRT COR
PRN CLK
QUN SLU
UNI YLE      
RPI BRN


Saturday

DRT CLG
HVD COR
QUN CLK
PRN SLU   
RPI YLE
UNI BRN


With these results, the standings on March 1 would look like this:

32 CLK 14 - 4 - 4
31 PRN 15 - 6 - 1  
27 COR 13 - 8 - 1
26 HVD 12 - 8 - 2
25 UNI  10  - 7 - 5
24 QUN 10 - 8 - 4
24 YLE 10  - 8 - 4
22 CLG  9 - 9 - 4
15 BRN  6 - 13 - 3
13 DRT  5 - 14 - 3
13 RPI  5 - 14- 3
12 SLU  5 - 15 - 2

And the Big Red would have a bye for March 7-9.

============================================================================
I will post the USCHO predictions when they become available and do the arithmetic for the standings.  For last weekend, I tied USCHO for overall prediction accuracy.[/quote]

While I'm usually please with the prospects of a 4-point weekend.  (especially when that includes a win over Hahvahd), I don't like the idea of a playoff series with Q.   Can we change those final standings a bit?  ::popcorn::[/quote]

Since when does anyone presume Union will win in the playoffs?
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: Jim Hyla on February 28, 2008, 10:01:32 AM
[quote redice]While I'm usually please with the prospects of a 4-point weekend.  (especially when that includes a win over Hahvahd), I don't like the idea of a playoff series with Q.   Can we change those final standings a bit?  ::popcorn::[/quote]

Sure, if you think SLU can beat them. Then if all goes according to ranking, we play Union.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: Give My Regards on February 28, 2008, 10:10:06 AM
[quote lynah80]
With these results, the standings on March 1 would look like this:

(snip)

13 DRT  5 - 14 - 3
13 RPI  5 - 14- 3

[/quote]

Not that anyone cares at this point (or should), but RPI would win the head-to-head tiebreaker here.

[quote redice]
While I'm usually please with the prospects of a 4-point weekend. (especially when that includes a win over Hahvahd), I don't like the idea of a playoff series with Q.
[/quote]

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Q in the quarterfinals again -- it would be the only proper way to get revenge for the Ticks knocking off the Big Red last year.  Even though the games against Clarkson in '06 were nerve-wracking, as was the second one in '05, both q-final wins were nice payback for the '04 debacle.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: Josh '99 on February 28, 2008, 11:33:05 AM
[quote redice]While I'm usually please with the prospects of a 4-point weekend.  (especially when that includes a win over Hahvahd), I don't like the idea of a playoff series with Q.   Can we change those final standings a bit?  ::popcorn::[/quote]You'd prefer Union?  ::uhoh::
Title: USCHO Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: lynah80 on February 28, 2008, 11:17:31 PM
Below are the USCHO predictions for the coming weekend.   They differ significantly from the ones I posted this morning.  

Winners for each game are in bold.  For ties, both teams are bold.  The visiting team is first.

Friday

HVD CLG    
DRT COR
PRN CLK
QUN SLU
UNI YLE      
RPI BRN


Saturday

DRT CLG
HVD COR
QUN CLK
PRN SLU   
RPI YLE
UNI BRN


With these results, the standings on March 1 would look like this:

33 CLK 15 - 4 - 3
30 PRN 15 - 7 - 0
28 HVD 13 - 7 - 2
27 UNI  11  - 6 - 5
23 COR 11 - 10 - 1
22 CLG  9 - 9 - 4
22 QUN 9 - 9 - 4
20 YLE 8  - 10 - 4
15 DRT  6 - 13 - 3
15 BRN  6 - 13 - 3
14 SLU  6 - 14 - 2
13 RPI  6 - 13- 3

Big Green over Big Red?  I think the guy who writes the ECAC column each week went to Harvard.  Either that, or he wishes he did.
Title: Re: USCHO Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: Josh '99 on February 29, 2008, 01:01:55 AM
[quote lynah80]Big Green over Big Red?  I think the guy who writes the ECAC column each week went to Harvard.  Either that, or he wishes he did.[/quote]He actually didn't go to an ECAC school at all.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: French Rage on February 29, 2008, 02:39:48 AM
[quote Josh '99][quote redice]While I'm usually please with the prospects of a 4-point weekend.  (especially when that includes a win over Hahvahd), I don't like the idea of a playoff series with Q.   Can we change those final standings a bit?  ::popcorn::[/quote]You'd prefer Union?  ::uhoh::[/quote]

The same Union that has one playoff win in 16 years?

Correction, 2 playoff wins.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Predictions for 2/29-3/1
Post by: Josh '99 on February 29, 2008, 11:01:35 AM
[quote French Rage]The same Union that has one playoff win in 16 years?

Correction, 2 playoff wins.[/quote]I know, but they always seem to play over their heads against us and I want no part of it.
Title: Re: The Rest of the ECAC Year, Updated 2/23
Post by: lynah80 on March 01, 2008, 09:40:56 AM
Quinnipiac has continued their downward slide.  They gave SLU 9 power plays (vs. 4 QUN) last night, which led to 2 goals.  Brandon Wong and Dan Travis also got 10-minute misconducts.