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Title: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (final)
Post by: TShen on December 28, 2007, 04:41:29 PM
Scoring Tonight:

1st period

UML 1 - Roebothan (Potacco)

2nd period

COR 1 - M. Kennedy (Scott, B. Nash)
COR 2 - Scali (Davenport, Fontas)

3rd period

UML 2 - Auger (Maniff)
UML 3 - Falite (Goers, Dehner) PPG
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 04:42:12 PM
Scrivens pulled after the goal... Davenport in.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: TShen on December 28, 2007, 04:46:32 PM
CU on PP now.  Let's get one boys!
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 04:47:39 PM
some wide open shots missed by cornell.. the last one the goalie was looking at his feet the pucj being 6 ft away and cornell his the goalie
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Josh '99 on December 28, 2007, 04:47:41 PM
[quote Chris '03]Scrivens pulled after the goal... Davenport in.[/quote]Wow, must've been a heck of a soft goal.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: DeltaOne81 on December 28, 2007, 04:49:08 PM
[quote Josh '99][quote Chris '03]Scrivens pulled after the goal... Davenport in.[/quote]Wow, must've been a heck of a soft goal.[/quote]

Jason said Scrivens made a bad pass that gave it away to the defense in front. So the goal wasn't soft, but he caused it nonetheless.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 04:49:29 PM
[quote Josh '99][quote Chris '03]Scrivens pulled after the goal... Davenport in.[/quote]Wow, must've been a heck of a soft goal.[/quote]

I didn't hear the goal but it sounds like he made an extremely ill-advised pass.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Give My Regards on December 28, 2007, 04:51:10 PM
[quote Chris '03]I didn't hear the goal but it sounds like he made an extremely ill-advised pass.[/quote]

Radio call made it sound like Scrivens was trying to clear the puck and sent it right to the Lowell guy who had a mostly empty net to shoot at.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 04:51:13 PM
Sounds like the refs want to be the stars of the game.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 04:52:30 PM
questionable calls give lowell 2 man power play
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 04:53:48 PM
Do we have the pleasure of more 4 official games this weekend?
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 04:56:16 PM
one quality save by davenport. Cornell had several chances I dont even think they hit the net from inside 10 ft..
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 04:57:24 PM
and down goes the video..
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Josh '99 on December 28, 2007, 04:59:21 PM
[quote TShen]Scoring

1st period

UML 1 - Roebothen (Potacco)



LGR![/quote]Is that what you'd get if you mixed tobacco with potato instead of tomato?
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:01:55 PM
[quote Josh '99][quote TShen]Scoring

1st period

UML 1 - Roebothen (Potacco)



LGR![/quote]Is that what you'd get if you mixed tobacco with potato instead of tomato?[/quote]
Nah, it's the [former] New York governor's Italian cousin.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:05:07 PM
Lowell has a center named Chris Auger.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: ftyuv on December 28, 2007, 05:10:12 PM
[quote Al DeFlorio]Lowell has a center named Chris Auger.[/quote]

For poking holes in sieves?  Muahaha.  Go [greater] Beantown [area]!

-the facetimer-turned-troll
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Give My Regards on December 28, 2007, 05:10:16 PM
Between-periods interview is with Ben Scrivens.  I don't think Jason usually takes quite so much trouble to point out that the interview is taped before the game.
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 05:14:48 PM
[quote ftyuv][quote Al DeFlorio]Lowell has a center named Chris Auger.[/quote]

For poking holes in sieves?  Muahaha.  Go [greater] Beantown [area]!

-the facetimer-turned-troll[/quote]

I don't think that's what Al was going for...
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: mhand06 on December 28, 2007, 05:15:19 PM
who is in the line up?
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 05:16:33 PM
[quote mhand06]who is in the line up?[/quote]
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/cornell/mhockey/tournament/
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 05:23:20 PM
I would say the crowd size is about 3-400..
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:23:28 PM
[quote Chris '03][quote mhand06]who is in the line up?[/quote]
http://livestats.internetconsult.com/cornell/mhockey/tournament/[/quote]
Quite a shake-up of the lines but still serious problems scoring.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 05:26:03 PM
give away by nash.. save by daevnport and then nive move by devlin draws a PP
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: mhand06 on December 28, 2007, 05:34:51 PM
LETS GO RED!!!
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: DeltaOne81 on December 28, 2007, 05:36:03 PM
Kennedy! (Michael)
Title: Re: UMass Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (1st)
Post by: ryeguy on December 28, 2007, 05:36:06 PM
nice shot 1-1
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 05:36:14 PM
great breakout leads to a nice goal...  too bad it took about 5 tries to breakout..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 05:37:56 PM
what looks like a CU penalty, then a cornell goal, then becomes a cornell PP..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
cornell is making just some awfully weak passes..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:42:19 PM
Michael Kennedy 9 of 11 on faceoffs.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 0 (2nd)
Post by: mhand06 on December 28, 2007, 05:44:10 PM
YAY WE HAVE A GOAL!!! LGR
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: LaJollaRed on December 28, 2007, 05:44:12 PM
Free audio here:

http://www.goriverhawks.com/men/iceHockey/default.html
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 05:45:35 PM
we are just so slow on D.. its the only reason lowell is doing anything
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: LaJollaRed on December 28, 2007, 05:46:03 PM
2-1!
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:47:18 PM
What tune is the rink playing after Cornell scores?
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: ryeguy on December 28, 2007, 05:47:34 PM
Wish there were replays.

B.Nash looks a little shaky.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: ugarte on December 28, 2007, 05:47:56 PM
[quote LaJollaRed]Free audio here:

http://www.goriverhawks.com/men/iceHockey/default.html[/quote]
What player do you need to use? WMP won't open it for me.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: mhand06 on December 28, 2007, 05:48:59 PM
who scored the 2nd goal?
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: TShen on December 28, 2007, 05:50:29 PM
Livestat has Scali with the goal and assists from Fontas and Davenport. . . .waiting for Jason to confirm on the radio.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 1 (2nd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:51:10 PM
[quote mhand06]who scored the 2nd goal?[/quote]
Taylor Davenport
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 05:52:01 PM
Oops. LiveStats gives it to Scali.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: ryeguy on December 28, 2007, 05:54:35 PM
scali from fontas i believe.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 06:04:20 PM
I agree B Nash really looks to have trouble moving.. he gave away the puck a few times just on not being able to recover or move.. he looks to lack quickness and speed..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 06:12:25 PM
[quote ryeguy]scali from fontas i believe.[/quote]
LiveStats says Scali from Davenport and Fontas.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: CKinsland on December 28, 2007, 06:16:58 PM
UMass: Ojay? even strength (just after end of PP)
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 06:17:17 PM
cornell misses 2-3 good chances. then has a total breakdown turning a 2 on3 into a 2 on 1.. then after UM messes up the play the puck goes behind the net and lets the lowell player skate out in front for an empty net goal..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 06:18:06 PM
[quote CKinsland]UMass: Ojay? even strength (just after end of PP)[/quote]

[Insert Auger joke here]
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: TShen on December 28, 2007, 06:18:23 PM
Dang it!
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Josh '99 on December 28, 2007, 06:20:00 PM
[quote Chris '03][quote CKinsland]UMass: Ojay? even strength (just after end of PP)[/quote]

[Insert Auger joke here][/quote]McRae?
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 06:21:49 PM
UML has 8 of the last 10 shots on goal.  Are we pooping out?
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: RedintheGreen on December 28, 2007, 06:24:50 PM
how much time is left?
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 06:25:45 PM
[quote Josh '99][quote Chris '03][quote CKinsland]UMass: Ojay? even strength (just after end of PP)[/quote]

[Insert Auger joke here][/quote]McRae?[/quote]

I believe the kids say "Devins"
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Jacob '06 on December 28, 2007, 06:25:59 PM
[quote RedintheGreen]how much time is left?[/quote]

10 mins even. Cornell on the kill.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: CKinsland on December 28, 2007, 06:28:13 PM
PP goal Fellini
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 06:31:19 PM
cornell pretty ragged right now.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: ryeguy on December 28, 2007, 06:33:41 PM
dumb penalty..what's new?
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 06:36:39 PM
Cornell controlled play for about 25 min. then the mistakes led to a couple goals..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 1 Cornell 2 (2nd)
Post by: ugarte on December 28, 2007, 06:36:57 PM
This is... unimpressive.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: ryeguy on December 28, 2007, 06:41:06 PM
seems like forever since we tied it up late in the game. LGR!
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 06:46:14 PM
Cu whiffs standing in the crease with .40 to go
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: ryeguy on December 28, 2007, 06:48:21 PM
unimpressive is right.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: upperdeck on December 28, 2007, 06:49:41 PM
A very winnable game, but we make so many simple mistakes and have no team speed at all.. Our D looked to be in Mud most of the game.. and still we controlled large parts of the game but couldnt score from inside 10 ft..
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 06:50:18 PM
Disappointing to fade away like that in the third period.  In any case, any NCAA appearance will depend on winning in Albany, so...
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: ugarte on December 28, 2007, 07:08:30 PM
[quote Al DeFlorio]Disappointing to fade away like that in the third period.  In any case, any NCAA appearance will depend on winning in Albany, so...[/quote]
As I'm sure you'll agree, every game until then still matters. I take very little solace in the prospect of a great tourney redeeming a bleh season.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: ebilmes on December 28, 2007, 07:36:15 PM
I had just finished typing a long post about this game when the computer in the hotel lobby crashed. Pretty much sums up the evening.

Basically, this is NOT a good team. Lots of bad hockey recently. Had a nice 100+ min scoreless strech going until we scored in the 2nd period. Can't help the goalies' confidence too much when they know Schafer will pull them if they make one mistake. Up 2-1 going into the 3rd, then let them walk all over us. I'm not looking forward to watching tomorrow's game.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 08:02:21 PM
[quote ugarte][quote Al DeFlorio]Disappointing to fade away like that in the third period.  In any case, any NCAA appearance will depend on winning in Albany, so...[/quote]
As I'm sure you'll agree, every game until then still matters. I take very little solace in the prospect of a great tourney redeeming a bleh season.[/quote]
Didn't say any game doesn't matter.  But any success to be still gained this year requires winning in Albany.  Else it's a "bleh season."

[Although I will confess to taking great solace in the 1980 team redeeming a "bleh (13-13 regular) season" with an ECAC tournament win.]
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 3 Cornell 2 (final)
Post by: Chris '03 on December 28, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
This sentence from the CU athletics page makes my brain hurt:
"Despite a second-period rally that found the Big Red take a 2-1 lead, the River Hawks of UMass-Lowell returned the favor with a pair of markers in the third period, sending the Cornell men's hockey team to a 3-2 loss in the opening game of the Florida College Classic on Friday afternoon at Germain Arena in Estero, Fla."
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: ugarte on December 28, 2007, 09:53:28 PM
[quote Al DeFlorio][Although I will confess to taking great solace in the 1980 team redeeming a "bleh (13-13 regular) season" with an ECAC tournament win.][/quote]
I confess that if it happens in 2008, so will I.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: DeltaOne81 on December 28, 2007, 10:02:25 PM
[quote ebilmes]Can't help the goalies' confidence too much when they know Schafer will pull them if they make one mistake.[/quote]

While I didn't see it, Jason made it sound like a major, boneheaded mistake. At least thats the impression I got. Those who were there, feel free to comment.

At the Winstar again, Elie? They upgrade that computer yet? ;)
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Al DeFlorio on December 28, 2007, 10:03:41 PM
Clarkson, playing with only ten forwards (apparently the result of team rules violations), lost to Maine 5-3.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Give My Regards on December 28, 2007, 10:28:14 PM
[quote ebilmes]Can't help the goalies' confidence too much when they know Schafer will pull them if they make one mistake.[/quote]

Although I didn't see the game either, I don't think this is what happened here.  In the pre-game interview, Coach Schafer talked about holding the players accountable for miscues, and I suspect he was sending a message by benching Scrivens:  "Well, you're clearly not paying attention to what's going on -- go siddown!"  I'd bet that Scrivens, having been given the opportunity to re-dedicate himself, gets the start in the consolation game, and hopefully he responds with a solid effort (rather than sulking).  It wouldn't surprise me to see a few other players ride the pine tomorrow night.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: sah67 on December 29, 2007, 12:54:58 AM
[quote Give My Regards][quote ebilmes]Can't help the goalies' confidence too much when they know Schafer will pull them if they make one mistake.[/quote]

Although I didn't see the game either, I don't think this is what happened here.  In the pre-game interview, Coach Schafer talked about holding the players accountable for miscues, and I suspect he was sending a message by benching Scrivens:  "Well, you're clearly not paying attention to what's going on -- go siddown!"  I'd bet that Scrivens, having been given the opportunity to re-dedicate himself, gets the start in the consolation game, and hopefully he responds with a solid effort (rather than sulking).  It wouldn't surprise me to see a few other players ride the pine tomorrow night.[/quote]

Quote from Schafer per Elliot Olshansky:
"The first goal was inexcusable," Schafer said. "That's why I pulled Ben. He came out and Christmas-wrapped it right to the guy. Goals are so hard to come by, you just can't give one up."
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: RichH on December 29, 2007, 03:08:22 AM
[quote Al DeFlorio]Clarkson, playing with only ten forwards (apparently the result of team rules violations), lost to Maine 5-3.[/quote]

Guh.  At this point, this has to be the worst season for "EZAC" play that comes to mind.  That the usual Hockey Least powers are having a pretty unimpressive year just makes this much more painful.

EZAC undercard to Hockey Least.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: ebilmes on December 29, 2007, 10:48:57 PM
[quote DeltaOne81][quote ebilmes]Can't help the goalies' confidence too much when they know Schafer will pull them if they make one mistake.[/quote]

While I didn't see it, Jason made it sound like a major, boneheaded mistake. At least thats the impression I got. Those who were there, feel free to comment.

At the Winstar again, Elie? They upgrade that computer yet? ;)[/quote]

It was an incredibly stupid play, but I question whether it was right to pull Scrivens. He's found himself in plenty of similar situations in other games -- he falls down, or comes too far out of net -- and those easily could have led to a goal. This time the puck actually found its way into net.



Davenport was shaky towards the end of the UML game. It's not a good sign when he keeps looking behind him when he doesn't know where the puck is. (Note: This year's tournament program features four pictures of last year's games. Two of the four are of Davenport with the puck behind him in the corner of the net.)

Tonight, Scrivens played much differently than normal (for him). On one breakway, he could have intercepted the puck if he'd come out of the crease, but he seemed really reluctant to stray from between the posts. Some other times, when he might have hit the puck up ice to a forward or at least shot it out of the zone, he was content to push it aside for someone else to take. Definitely more conservative play.

Edit: And no, Fred, the Wynstar computer has not changed.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: KeithK on December 29, 2007, 11:44:25 PM
[quote ebilmes]It was an incredibly stupid play, but I question whether it was right to pull Scrivens. He's found himself in plenty of similar situations in other games -- he falls down, or comes too far out of net -- and those easily could have led to a goal. This time the puck actually found its way into net.[/quote]
Maybe he hadn't learned the lesson because he has gotten away with it at other times.  This time he got burned and gets pulled so he can think about it.  Not that conservative is necessarily the right way to play but you do need to know the difference between aggressive and stupid.
Title: Re: UMass-Lowell 2 Cornell 2 (3rd)
Post by: Trotsky on January 01, 2008, 12:51:10 PM
[quote KeithK][quote ebilmes]It was an incredibly stupid play, but I question whether it was right to pull Scrivens. He's found himself in plenty of similar situations in other games -- he falls down, or comes too far out of net -- and those easily could have led to a goal. This time the puck actually found its way into net.[/quote]
Maybe he hadn't learned the lesson because he has gotten away with it at other times.  This time he got burned and gets pulled so he can think about it.  Not that conservative is necessarily the right way to play but you do need to know the difference between aggressive and stupid.[/quote]Exactly.  You don't usually pull a goalie after a bonehead move that doesn't result in a goal, so if you're going to reinforce a lesson (one which I'm sure has been pounded into Ben in practice), this was the time to do it.

Hopefully, it sticks, and it saves a more costly mistake in a conference or post-season game.