The defections topic is getting stale. So how does this affect the team?
Ari said in the preseason that he was a potential 100pt scorer. He ended up the lowest scoring of all the forwards who played more than half the games. My personal opinion is that he was underachieving, undersized, and he allegiance was divided. With that said, there's also plenty of forward talent, with more on it's way. He just wasn't worth the roster spot.
What do you think?
since the defections post is moving here, this is posted in both.The only bad thing he did was play baseball!
To dismiss a solid 2 way player like this for playing a sport in his off season is moronic by schafer. But maybe in Schafer's eyes playing baseball is a lot worse than rape.
[quote DILLIGAF] But maybe in Schafer's eyes playing baseball is a lot worse than rape.[/quote]
uh...::wow::
maybe he did something that we don't know about, and will never know about.
[quote DILLIGAF]since the defections post is moving here, this is posted in both.The only bad thing he did was play baseball!
To dismiss a solid 2 way player like this for playing a sport in his off season is moronic by schafer. But maybe in Schafer's eyes playing baseball is a lot worse than rape.[/quote]I don't think we have any idea what happenned and to speculate like this is ridiculous. ::crazy::Maybe it was Milo's idea? Who knows?
[quote Dpperk29]maybe he did something that we don't know about, and will never know about.[/quote]
Or maybe it was by mutual agreement. Whatever the reasons are for his leaving the team, neither Milo nor the hockey program is under any obligation to inform the public about those reasons.
We should be careful in our speculations such that reputation of Cornell and its students are not damaged by unsubstantiated claims.
well it couldn't be academic or discipline related or he would be ineligible for the baseball team.
[quote DILLIGAF]since the defections post is moving here, this is posted in both.The only bad thing he did was play baseball!
To dismiss a solid 2 way player like this for playing a sport in his off season is moronic by schafer. But maybe in Schafer's eyes playing baseball is a lot worse than rape.[/quote]Just curious: how do you know any of this? Are you an insider in the hockey program?
... and fans are under no obligation to stop speculating about what happened to a promsing player. If he is in fact gone for sure from the hockey team, quite possibly:
- he wasn't as good as his previous year's point totals suggested
- Milo and Schafer had a personality clash resolved in the coach's favor
- Milo decided he liked baseball more
[quote DILLIGAF]well it couldn't be academic or discipline related or he would be ineligible for the baseball team.[/quote]It certainly could be he just changed his mind about playing both sports. Maybe he just decided he liked baseball better. It worked out OK for Tom Glavine.
[quote Josh '99][quote DILLIGAF]well it couldn't be academic or discipline related or he would be ineligible for the baseball team.[/quote]It certainly could be he just changed his mind about playing both sports. Maybe he just decided he liked baseball better. It worked out OK for Tom Glavine.[/quote]
And Kirk McCaskill, but UVM sucks. ;-)
[quote DILLIGAF]well it couldn't be ... discipline related or he would be ineligible for the baseball team.[/quote]
This isn't necessarily true. If there was insubordination or other team-related discipline, the baseball coach would have no obligation to back up Schafer's punishment. Obviously I have no insider knowledge at all as to the reasons for the split.
And the seemingly gratuitous implication that there was a rape (by Milo? a teammate? a past player? student-athletes generally? who the hell knows) or that the coaching staff doesn't care is pretty gross.
Listen, people, there's a group that it's acceptable to make false accusations against, and they're called Clarkson players.
[quote French Rage]Listen, people, there's a group that it's acceptable to make false accusations against, and they're called Clarkson players.[/quote]
Nickerson ran over my dog...P/M me for details.
[quote sah67][quote French Rage]Listen, people, there's a group that it's acceptable to make false accusations against, and they're called Clarkson players.[/quote]
Nickerson ran over my dog...P/M me for details.[/quote]
I almost ran into Nickerson the other day...
... so I backed up and tried again.
[quote French Rage]Listen, people, there's a group that it's acceptable to make false accusations against, and they're called Clarkson players.[/quote]
And a proper place for it:
Redemption Center (http://www.goldenknightshockey.com/roundtable/)
[quote marty][quote French Rage]Listen, people, there's a group that it's acceptable to make false accusations against, and they're called Clarkson players.[/quote]
And a proper place for it:
Redemption Center (http://www.goldenknightshockey.com/roundtable/)[/quote]
No worries Marty, Cornell fans speak more shit about their own players than I ever would, even as a rival.
Cheers!
Drew
[quote Drew][quote marty][quote French Rage]Listen, people, there's a group that it's acceptable to make false accusations against, and they're called Clarkson players.[/quote]
And a proper place for it:
Redemption Center (http://www.goldenknightshockey.com/roundtable/)[/quote]
No worries Marty, Cornell fans speak more shit about their own players than I ever would as a rival.
Cheers!
Drew[/quote]
He's got a point. ::wtf::
The rape issue in no way involved Milo, it was prior to his arrival, but the involved student athletes were not disciplined and are still playing.
Unsubstantiated criminal claims about unnamed people from an anonymous source. We're a real message board at last.
[quote Rita]We should be careful in our speculations such that reputation of Cornell and its students are not damaged by unsubstantiated claims.[/quote]Not to mention that there's an online forum for this: USCHO.
[quote RatushnyFan][quote Rita]We should be careful in our speculations such that reputation of Cornell and its students are not damaged by unsubstantiated claims.[/quote]Not to mention that there's an online forum for this: USCHO.[/quote]
Our rapists will make us a perrenial powerhouse!
[quote French Rage][quote RatushnyFan][quote Rita]We should be careful in our speculations such that reputation of Cornell and its students are not damaged by unsubstantiated claims.[/quote]Not to mention that there's an online forum for this: USCHO.[/quote]
Our rapists will make us a perrenial powerhouse![/quote]"I'll take 'the rapists' for twenty" wins per season.
[quote Josh '99][quote French Rage][quote RatushnyFan][quote Rita]We should be careful in our speculations such that reputation of Cornell and its students are not damaged by unsubstantiated claims.[/quote]Not to mention that there's an online forum for this: USCHO.[/quote]
Our rapists will make us a perrenial powerhouse![/quote]"I'll take 'the rapists' for twenty" wins per season.[/quote]
"I was both an analyst and a therapist. I was the first anal-rapist."
(http://the-op.com/images/episode/303/000051_sm.jpg)
"It wasn't really the pronounciation that bothered me."
Guess he knows hot to hit: http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/042407aaa.html
http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/051707aab.html
Just a thought on this Milo off the team situation...any chance that he really would have liked to play both but Schafer saw that he is a really good baseball player and kicked him off the hockey team so that he had to focus on the sport he (may) have a career in? Even though he is pretty short to play baseball. Just a thought
[quote johnny923]Just a thought on this Milo off the team situation...any chance that he really would have liked to play both but Schafer saw that he is a really good baseball player and kicked him off the hockey team so that he had to focus on the sport he (may) have a career in? Even though he is pretty short to play baseball. Just a thought[/quote]
Possible...but doubtful. More liklely Milo (his parents?) thought it better to preserve his body for any baseball career.
It's also very possible that he just didn't fit in personality-wise. Like Mike Stachurski a few years back, a tough, hard-nosed d-man who just couldn't blend with the team culture and personalities.
At least that's what he told me.....
[quote johnny923]Just a thought on this Milo off the team situation...any chance that he really would have liked to play both but Schafer saw that he is a really good baseball player and kicked him off the hockey team so that he had to focus on the sport he (may) have a career in? Even though he is pretty short to play baseball. Just a thought[/quote]
Seems extremely unlikely. Why would Schafer take it upon himself to decide that a player (that he recruited) is better suited for another sport and then force him to go play it? The only way that makes sense to me is if the kid really can't play hockey but no one is accusing Milo of being a bad hockey player.
[quote Townie]
It's also very possible that he just didn't fit in personality-wise. Like Mike Stachurski a few years back, a tough, hard-nosed d-man who just couldn't blend with the team culture and personalities.
At least that's what he told me.....[/quote]
Although the personality thing is true, Stachurski flat out just wasn't good enough. For some reason, the coaches brought him in after never seeing him play.
[quote calgARI '07][quote Townie]
It's also very possible that he just didn't fit in personality-wise. Like Mike Stachurski a few years back, a tough, hard-nosed d-man who just couldn't blend with the team culture and personalities.
At least that's what he told me.....[/quote]
Although the personality thing is true, Stachurski flat out just wasn't good enough. For some reason, the coaches brought him in after never seeing him play.[/quote]
Did he transfer somewhere else to play or settle for the academic life at Cornell?
[quote ugarte]
Did he transfer somewhere else to play or settle for the academic life at Cornell?[/quote]
Stayed at Cornell, played club hockey, and will be graduating this weekend I think.
[quote calgARI '07][quote ugarte]
Did he transfer somewhere else to play or settle for the academic life at Cornell?[/quote]
Stayed at Cornell, played club hockey, and will be graduating this weekend I think.[/quote]
He also was the head coach of the women's club team this year, so I'm not sure how actively he was playing on the men's club team.
[quote sah67][quote calgARI '07][quote ugarte]
Did he transfer somewhere else to play or settle for the academic life at Cornell?[/quote]
Stayed at Cornell, played club hockey, and will be graduating this weekend I think.[/quote]
He also was the head coach of the women's club team this year, so I'm not sure how actively he was playing on the men's club team.[/quote]
Last I spoke to him (several years ago), the men's club was doing well and in contention for a title or championship of some sort.
Justin Milo is playing in a 4-on-4 league this summer. http://www.mn4on4hockey.com/ProRoster%2007.pdf It's a strange mix of pros and amateurs.
Milo has been added to Lincoln's protected roster, according to USHR.
[quote ithacat]Milo has been added to Lincoln's protected roster, according to USHR.[/quote]What does that mean?
A Lincoln message board had mentioned that he was at camp getting ready for the tournament he's playing in up in Minnesota. Seems odd that they would use a roster spot if there wasn't a chance he might return to the USHL. Maybe he's just keeping his options open in case he truly can't return to the team.
[quote ithacat]A Lincoln message board had mentioned that he was at camp getting ready for the tournament he's playing in up in Minnesota. Seems odd that they would use a roster spot if there wasn't a chance he might return to the USHL. Maybe he's just keeping his options open in case he truly can't return to the team.[/quote]
What would this do to his baseball career?
Milo will also be playing in an International Jewish Tournament in Israel this summer. Other members of Team USA include Dov Grumet-Morris and Nathan Davis. Also, David Adler is on the roster. Dylan Reese was supposed to play but he had to drop out. The GM's of Team USA are Dave Taylor and Neil Smith.
[quote ursusminor]Justin Milo is playing in a 4-on-4 league this summer. http://www.mn4on4hockey.com/ProRoster%2007.pdf It's a strange mix of pros and amateurs.[/quote]
He didn't play in either of the first two league games last week. http://www.mn4on4hockey.com/07ProLeagueScorers.pdf It is possible that he played but didn't score a goal or have an assist, but rather unlikely considering the high scores. (The team with the three RPI players scored 32 goals in 2 games.)
[quote calgARI '07]Milo will also be playing in an International Jewish Tournament in Israel this summer. Other members of Team USA include Dov Grumet-Morris and Nathan Davis. Also, David Adler is on the roster. Dylan Reese was supposed to play but he had to drop out. The GM's of Team USA are Dave Taylor and Neil Smith.[/quote]
that wasn't part of my birthright trip!
USHL teams had to cut their rostrs to 25 by July 1st. Milo is one of the 25 protected by the Stars. Rosters are finalized at 23 by the end of September.
http://www.ushl.com/news/0607/20070702ProtectedLists.cfm
[quote calgARI '07]Milo will also be playing in an International Jewish Tournament in Israel this summer. Other members of Team USA include Dov Grumet-Morris and Nathan Davis. Also, David Adler is on the roster. Dylan Reese was supposed to play but he had to drop out. The GM's of Team USA are Dave Taylor and Neil Smith.[/quote]
Dov scored a goal http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1184766028075&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ::rolleyes:: Recent RPI grad Oren Eizenman was named best forward.
[quote ursusminor][quote calgARI '07]Milo will also be playing in an International Jewish Tournament in Israel this summer. Other members of Team USA include Dov Grumet-Morris and Nathan Davis. Also, David Adler is on the roster. Dylan Reese was supposed to play but he had to drop out. The GM's of Team USA are Dave Taylor and Neil Smith.[/quote]
Dov scored a goal http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1184766028075&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ::rolleyes:: Recent RPI grad Oren Eizenman was named best forward.[/quote]
That's pretty weird that it mentions the goal so casually. I would think there would have been a lot more said about a goal scored by a netminder. Particularly since it was such a close game.
I read somewhere that Hyphen was playing forward in the game.
I bet the catholic tourney would be much better hockey.::banana::
[quote wewantmore]I bet the catholic tourney would be much better hockey.::banana::[/quote]
Although the Jewish hockey fan tournament would be bigger.
[quote wewantmore]I bet the catholic tourney would be much better hockey.::banana::[/quote]
Does the Vatican have a rink? :-D
[quote ursusminor]I read somewhere that Hyphen was playing forward in the game.[/quote]That's good strategy by the coach, since Hyphen is a shitty goalie.
It has a rink, the Pope and the preists don't play though, they lend a hand (if you know what I mean) with the youth instructional program.
[quote DILLIGAF]It has a rink, the Pope and the preists don't play though, they lend a hand (if you know what I mean) with the youth instructional program.[/quote]
Actually I heard that they save a ton on refrigeration, since they can all skate on water.
[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote DILLIGAF]It has a rink, the Pope and the preists don't play though, they lend a hand (if you know what I mean) with the youth instructional program.[/quote]
Actually I heard that they save a ton on refrigeration, since they can all skate on water.[/quote]
Actually, The Great One is the only Catholic All-Stars player to ever skate on water. Man that guy was good...
Wow, I didn't see this one coming...
Former Lincoln player Justin Milo will play baseball at Vermont this year, after considering a return to the Stars. Kyle Follmer has also been considering college options, but appears headed back to Lincoln for another season.
http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/08/14/sports/doc46c0ec03c4363418787477.txt
Makes me think Milo isn't done playing college hockey.
Well, he's certainyl keeping his options open. He's goign to a school with a strong hockey program, should he decide to lace the skates up a year from now (he would have to sit out a year of hockey because he transfered, right?)
[quote ithacat]Former Lincoln player Justin Milo will play baseball at Vermont this year[/quote]
Vermont is a Division I program. Won't Milo have to sit a year to transfer?
There is nothing on the Vermont website (http://www.uvm.edu/athletics/baseball/) about Milo's arrival.
So is four balls an elephant walk?
[quote evilnaturedrobot]Well, he's certainyl keeping his options open. He's goign to a school with a strong hockey program, should he decide to lace the skates up a year from now (he would have to sit out a year of hockey because he transfered, right?)[/quote]
I would assume he has to sit a year of baseball too, no?
I'm pretty sure that the only sports that require a year long sit are football, basketball and hockey. Thus, he could play baseball this year and then lace up his skates and play both sports next year.
[quote evilnaturedrobot]I'm pretty sure that the only sports that require a year long sit are football, basketball and hockey. Thus, he could play baseball this year and then lace up his skates and play both sports next year.[/quote]
Spot on (http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2006-07/2006-07_transfer_guide.pdf). Glad to see you've stopped drinking (today).
Talk about moving up in leagues. From the EZAC to Hockey East. This is a great move for Milo.
[quote DILLIGAF]Talk about moving up in leagues. From the EZAC to Hockey East. This is a great move for Milo.[/quote]But then, I didn't know that Hockey East had a baseball team.::blush::
[quote Jim Hyla][quote DILLIGAF]Talk about moving up in leagues. From the EZAC to Hockey East. This is a great move for Milo.[/quote]But then, I didn't know that Hockey East had a baseball team.::blush::[/quote]
Neither does the ECAC (as far as Cornell is concerned). In baseball he is going from the Ivy League to America East.
He obvioulsy didn't leave to play baseball. He left to play baseball and hockey.
The Cornell baseball coach can't be real happy with Mike for screwing Milo over and driving him away. How often do you lose a Freshman All American because of another coach at your school?
[quote DILLIGAF]whine whine whine, coach schafer sucks, whine whine whine[/quote]
broken record
*clap clap clapclapclap*
broken record
*clap clap clapclapclap*
sorry, i couldn't resist feeding the troll. they're just so darn cute sometimes.
[quote ugarte][quote evilnaturedrobot]I'm pretty sure that the only sports that require a year long sit are football, basketball and hockey. Thus, he could play baseball this year and then lace up his skates and play both sports next year.[/quote]
Spot on (http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2006-07/2006-07_transfer_guide.pdf). Glad to see you've stopped drinking (today).[/quote]
well, the sun's still out.
[quote DILLIGAF]He obvioulsy didn't leave to play baseball. He left to play baseball and hockey.
The Cornell baseball coach can't be real happy with Mike for screwing Milo over and driving him away. How often do you lose a Freshman All American because of another coach at your school?[/quote]
Or perhaps the hockey coach can't be real happy with Milo for being a jerk and screwing with the team. But I guess I don't know which of these suppositions is true.
But I do know that YYLLYGAD...FO...L...HTR...DLTDHYOTWO...&...FYVM!
[quote DILLIGAF]He obvioulsy didn't leave to play baseball. He left to play baseball and hockey.
The Cornell baseball coach can't be real happy with Mike for screwing Milo over and driving him away. How often do you lose a Freshman All American because of another coach at your school?[/quote]
Mmhmm, Schafer should have treated Milo differently at a detriment to his team to help our amazing baseball team. Got it.
to be fair, every indication is that when Milo commited to Cornell he was told that he could play both sports ( I seem to recall that this being mentioned somtime in the 05-o6 year.) If it is true that Schafer changed his mind half way through the year, and there is no evidence of this aside from Dilligaf's highly suspect word, then it's a poor job on Mike's part. It would be completely unfair to Milo to tell him that he could play both sports and then boot him off the team for doing exactly that.
But again, the assumption has been made that Baseball is the reason for Milo's departure and I've yet to hear any comfirmation of this from a reliable source.
[quote evilnaturedrobot]to be fair, every indication is that when Milo commited to Cornell he was told that he could play both sports ( I seem to recall that this being mentioned somtime in the 05-o6 year.) If it is true that Schafer changed his mind half way through the year, and there is no evidence of this aside from Dilligaf's highly suspect word, then it's a poor job on Mike's part. It would be completely unfair to Milo to tell him that he could play both sports and then boot him off the team for doing exactly that.
But again, the assumption has been made that Baseball is the reason for Milo's departure and I've yet to hear any comfirmation of this from a reliable source.[/quote]
Additionally, this alleged behavior on Shafer's part makes little sense. Talented athletes often play multiple sports. Didn't MJ play baseball and basketball at North Carolina? To have a one-sport policy would eliminate some of the more gifted athletes. Does anyone know of another player who played two sports under Mike?
Of course, if playing the two sports caused serious conflict, that would be another story. To my mind, there's a big difference between a coach saying, "No, you cannot play baseball and still be on this team" and one saying, "No, you cannot miss the ECAC playoffs to go to that Florida baseball tournament and remain on this team."
Milo removed from the 2008 Cornell baseball team roster.
[quote Swampy]Does anyone know of another player who played two sports under Mike?[/quote]
Damian Rocke. :-D ::twak::
[quote Swampy]Didn't MJ play baseball and basketball at North Carolina? [/quote]
No.
[quote ugarte][quote Swampy]Didn't MJ play baseball and basketball at North Carolina? [/quote]
No.[/quote]
What part of Jordan's minor league "career" led you to think he'd played baseball since little league?
[quote KeithK
What part of Jordan's minor league "career" led you to think he'd played baseball since little league?[/quote]
That is just mean!
[quote Swampy]Didn't MJ play baseball and basketball at North Carolina?[/quote]
Totally random, but I once heard an inspirational speaker (Albert Long) who lettered in 4 sports at UNC: Track, Baseball, Basketball, and Football. Of course, he graduated in 1955, but that's still pretty crazy.
[quote DILLIGAF][quote KeithK]
What part of Jordan's minor league "career" led you to think he'd played baseball since little league?[/quote]
That is just mean![/quote]
The guy couldn't score from second on a double. Sometimes the truth hurts...
Well, Harry Orr did play hockey and lacrosse under Harkness. The results weren't too shabby.
Maybe the solution would have been for Mike to take over coaching baseball in addition to hockey.
I teach skiing part-time with a guy named Joe Bartlett who is in the UNH hall of fame for lettering in three sports. Of course, part of the reason he is in the hall of fame is because he was the last athlete to do this at UNH and it was in the 70's. He played with Dick Umile when hockey first became a varsity sport there. I think he played football and baseball, too, but I can't remember which other sports for sure.
Knowing him, I can see how Joe had the talent to do this. He didn't learn skiing until he was in his 40's, yet he is very good. He also perenially vies for the club championship at a couple of local courses.
[quote Swampy]
Maybe the solution would have been for Mike to take over coaching baseball in addition to hockey.[/quote]
Sure if the result wanted was a high level of dysfunction and under-achievement Mike is definitely the answer.
dysfunction and under-achievement being defined as: multiple conferance championships, several NCAA appearances, and generally being the most successful ECAC team over the last 7 years?
[quote evilnaturedrobot]dysfunction and under-achievement being defined as: multiple conferance championships, several NCAA appearances, and generally being the most successful ECAC team over the last 7 years?[/quote]
To be fair, with the talent he has had, Schafer should have an 2 NCAA titles, a Stanley Cup and the Congressional Medal of Freedom.
Presidential Medal of Freedom. :-P
[quote evilnaturedrobot]dysfunction and under-achievement being defined as: multiple conferance championships, several NCAA appearances, and generally being the most successful ECAC team over the last 7 years?[/quote]
Looked it up to help you out:
dysfunction and under-achievement: n.pl. 1. DILLIGAF. (See also, Hahvahd in the NCAA tournament.)
[quote DILLIGAF][quote Swampy]
Maybe the solution would have been for Mike to take over coaching baseball in addition to hockey.[/quote]
Sure if the result wanted was a high level of dysfunction and under-achievement Mike is definitely the answer.[/quote]
Just because Mike turned you down when you asked him to the prom is no reason for such nastiness. We've been through this before with transgendered nuns, no less. Your problems can be handled with some long talks
The Answer (http://www.psychoanalysis.org/tandr-private.html)
or if you are the underachiever that I believe you can try some of these
Get Happy (http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=Policymakers_Toolkit&Template=/ContentManagement/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=18971)
Sorry but I can't help with specific "Happy" recommendations.
Quote from: UVm Elephant Walk Dept.Sophomore Justin Milo (Eden Prairie, Minn.) has announced his decision to transfer to the University of Vermont from Cornell and will play baseball and men's hockey for the Catamounts. Milo (pronounced MY-low) will have three seasons of eligibility remaining for baseball beginning with the 2008 season. He also will have three years of eligibility remaining for hockey starting with 2008-09 season after sitting out the 2007-08 season per NCAA rules.
http://www.uvm.edu/athletics/?Page=News&storyID=10937
[quote Chris '03]
Quote from: UVm Elephant Walk Dept.Sophomore Justin Milo (Eden Prairie, Minn.) has announced his decision to transfer to the University of Vermont from Cornell and will play baseball and men's hockey for the Catamounts. Milo (pronounced MY-low) will have three seasons of eligibility remaining for baseball beginning with the 2008 season. He also will have three years of eligibility remaining for hockey starting with 2008-09 season after sitting out the 2007-08 season per NCAA rules.
http://www.uvm.edu/athletics/?Page=News&storyID=10937[/quote]
Off he goes, like sheep to the slaughter.... errr...elephant walk.
[quote Ben Rocky '04][quote Chris '03]
Quote from: UVm Elephant Walk Dept.Sophomore Justin Milo (Eden Prairie, Minn.) has announced his decision to transfer to the University of Vermont from Cornell and will play baseball and men's hockey for the Catamounts. Milo (pronounced MY-low) will have three seasons of eligibility remaining for baseball beginning with the 2008 season. He also will have three years of eligibility remaining for hockey starting with 2008-09 season after sitting out the 2007-08 season per NCAA rules.
http://www.uvm.edu/athletics/?Page=News&storyID=10937[/quote]
Off he goes, like sheep to the slaughter.... errr...elephant walk.[/quote]
So he gets three whole seasons to finish 5th in Hockey East?
[quote French Rage][quote Ben Rocky '04][quote Chris '03]
Quote from: UVm Elephant Walk Dept.Sophomore Justin Milo (Eden Prairie, Minn.) has announced his decision to transfer to the University of Vermont from Cornell and will play baseball and men's hockey for the Catamounts. Milo (pronounced MY-low) will have three seasons of eligibility remaining for baseball beginning with the 2008 season. He also will have three years of eligibility remaining for hockey starting with 2008-09 season after sitting out the 2007-08 season per NCAA rules.
http://www.uvm.edu/athletics/?Page=News&storyID=10937[/quote]
Off he goes, like sheep to the slaughter.... errr...elephant walk.[/quote]
So he gets three whole seasons to finish 5th in Hockey East?[/quote]
Well, look...I wish him luck and will root for his continued (individual) success. He obviously knows what he wants to do, has demonstrated skill at these things, and wasn't afforded the opportunity to be able to continue to do so at Cornell. Good for him for seeking out a place that he can persue all of his goals.
IIRC, Kirk McCaskill was an All-American hockey player at UVM, and then went on for a lengthy Major League Baseball career.
Maybe Justin just didn't like donuts....::burnout::
Milo's sticks are still in the locker room...
[quote ebilmes]Milo's sticks are still in the locker room...[/quote]
Well the school buys the sticks, so that isn't very surprising.
5th in Hockey East will generally get you to the NCAAs and have you ranked in the top 20 in the country.
[quote DILLIGAF]5th in Hockey East will generally get you to the NCAAs and have you ranked in the top 20 in the country.[/quote]
If by "generally" you mean it only happened last year and never before (of course, it only makes sense to go back to 2003), then yes. Meanwhile, Cornell has done that 4 of the last 6 years. So yeah, I can see how being 5th in Hockey East is so much better than here.
(And of course if you read the USCHO forums the only reason Hockey East got 5 teams last year was the vast eastern conspiracy.
Hey, remember the last time Vermont was in the NCAA? It was TEN YEARS AGO. The most notable thing they've done since Martin St. Louis and Eric Perrin and Tim Thomas left was to have a season canceled for hazing. So let's not go making assumptions about them just yet.
Article in today's Burlington Free Press about the Milo transfer.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070904/SPORTS/709040312/1002&theme=UVM
QuoteJustin Milo makes one thing clear: He says he harbors no ill will toward Cornell University and Big Red hockey coach Mike Schafer.
"Cornell is a great place, but it kind of didn't work out on the hockey standpoint," said Milo...
Schafer stated, "He's a great kid. I can say he's a really good hockey player but from my standing, things didn't work out at Cornell. We hope they do work out at Vermont."
On the surface, it seems a lot more amicable than the Romano departure. Then again, if you kick a kid off the team, how disappointed can you be when he transfers?
[quote ebilmes]On the surface, it seems a lot more amicable than the Romano departure. Then again, if you kick a kid off the team, how disappointed can you be when he transfers?[/quote]The article implies Schafer helped sell Sneddon on Milo. That might be journalistic poetic license, or it might mean Schafer and Milo had an unbridgable difference on baseball, but Mike still liked the kid well enough to help him move on.
The only question in my mind is, if this was all about being a two-sport athlete, why wasn't it resolved prior to his admission? It sounds pretty cut and dried to me. "Coach, if I come here, can I still play baseball?" "No." "OK, then, thanks but I'll take a different route." Pretty straightforward.
[quote Trotsky]
The only question in my mind is, if this was all about being a two-sport athlete, why wasn't it resolved prior to his admission? It sounds pretty cut and dried to me. "Coach, if I come here, can I still play baseball?" "No." "OK, then, thanks but I'll take a different route." Pretty straightforward.[/quote]
Everything I've heard (from reliable sources) indicates it was about him not fitting in with the team from a personality standpoint.
[quote Townie][quote Trotsky]
The only question in my mind is, if this was all about being a two-sport athlete, why wasn't it resolved prior to his admission? It sounds pretty cut and dried to me. "Coach, if I come here, can I still play baseball?" "No." "OK, then, thanks but I'll take a different route." Pretty straightforward.[/quote]
Everything I've heard (from reliable sources) indicates it was about him not fitting in with the team from a personality standpoint.[/quote]
That sounds a lot more realistic than the two-sport theory.
[quote KeithK][quote Townie][quote Trotsky]
The only question in my mind is, if this was all about being a two-sport athlete, why wasn't it resolved prior to his admission? It sounds pretty cut and dried to me. "Coach, if I come here, can I still play baseball?" "No." "OK, then, thanks but I'll take a different route." Pretty straightforward.[/quote]
Everything I've heard (from reliable sources) indicates it was about him not fitting in with the team from a personality standpoint.[/quote]
That sounds a lot more realistic than the two-sport theory.[/quote]
I know I'm old-fashioned, but I love the idea of a good college athlete excelling in more than one sport. [My classmate Bruce Cohen: lacrosse hall of fame and leading Ivy goal-scorer in soccer.) It did trouble me when it looked like playing baseball was the reason for dropping Milo from the hockey team. We'll probably never know the whole truth, but I'm somehow pleased it might not have been the two-sport issue with Milo.
[quote Townie]Everything I've heard (from reliable sources) indicates it was about him not fitting in with the team from a personality standpoint.[/quote]
Were either/both Romano and Milo involved in the "unspecified team rules violations" fiasco road trip?
Both were
The question begging for an answer is what was cause of the difference between the lack of success in hockey and the great success Milo had in baseball? He obviously fit in fine with the baseball team. It wasn't talent. He is a better hockey player than a baseball player.
IMHO it was absolutely the 2 sport issue - Mike changed his mind.
[quote DILLIGAF]The question begging for an answer is what was cause of the difference between the lack of success in hockey and the great success Milo had in baseball? He obviously fit in fine with the baseball team. It wasn't talent. He is a better hockey player than a baseball player.
IMHO it was absolutely the 2 sport issue - Mike changed his mind.[/quote]
That opinion and a dime won't even buy a cup of coffee.::rolleyes::
Any time you see an opinion which says absolutely you know you're in for something special. It's sort of like "slam dunk".::burnout::
Oh, if only it turned out that correctly.
I think it's probably safe to say that, insofar as you can make the comparison, ECAC hockey plays at a higher relative level than Ivy baseball. I suspect it's a lot easier for a freshman to adjust to the level of play in Cornell baseball than in hockey. (No numbers to back this up though.)
As for personality conflicts, the hockey and baseball teams are two different groups of people. It's entirely possible that a kid could get along with one and not the other. Plus, chemistry may well be a less important factor in baseball since it is in many ways a game of individuals, especially for someone who is primarily a designated hitter. Case in point, the biggest jackass of them all who plays out in San Francisco.
(That last was gratuitous, but I rarely miss a chance to badmouth Mr. Bonds.)
Excellent summary of a topic that was "getting stale" back in April.
I think it is absolutely certain that Milo didn't get along with Canadians but gets along well with Americans. I don't see how you can look at the results from hockey and baseball and come to any other conclusion.
Hey, if Milo doesn't play both hockey and baseball, then the terrorists win!
[quote fullofgas]Hey, if Milo doesn't play both hockey and baseball, then the terrorists win![/quote]UVM == terrorists?
[quote ugarte]I think it is absolutely certain that Milo didn't get along with Canadians but gets along well with Americans. I don't see how you can look at the results from hockey and baseball and come to any other conclusion.[/quote]
Any predictions how he'll do with these folks?
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