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Clarkson 1 at Cornell 5 postgame: Ari was right - last week's win may have been the turning point.

Only one goal allowed against the arguably hottest team in the ECACHL, and us without our top defenseman. Only four shots allowed by Cornell in the third period.

If we believed the freshmen and sophomores would come into their own late in the season, that's on target.

Justin Milo's pass to Tony Romano for goal #5 belongs in the season highlight tape, just so long as Cornell isn't recording off the CSTV feed.

I wouldn't (personally) read too much into the presence of Scrivens in goal for this game and his status in the who's on top? scheme of things.

Can't let up Saturday night vs. St. Lawrence.

Out of town finals:

Union 2 at Harvard 5
RPI 2 at Dartmouth 5

Princeton 1 at Brown 1 (ot) (final)

Fun little stat

Schafer vs Clarkson & Harvard in the regular season at Lynah:
18-5-1 .771

SLU 2 at Colgate 6

Apparently, the third period the Saints just drove off the cliff.

Pretty dominating win.  Everyone played well I thought.

Quinnipiac 6 at Yale 4

Top of the ECAC standings:

.700 SLU (10-4-1)
.688 Quinnipiac (9-3-4)
.633 Clarkson (8-4-3)
.567 Cornell (7-5-3)
.500 Dartmouth (6-6-3)

Clarkson looked like they didn't belong on the same ice.  I find it strange that they haven't been able to get up for games against us.  Not to take anything away from Cornell, but you figured after we knocked them out of the playoffs the past two seasons that they would come out buzzing.  But they didn't--not in Potsdam or tonight.

of note, mono = ebv with likely splenic friability would not mean a definite end of season illness. but it could. (seminof). of course there are other sequelae

[quote Trotsky]Quinnipiac 6 at Yale 4

Top of the ECAC standings:

.700 SLU (10-4-1)
.688 Quinnipiac (9-3-4)
.633 Clarkson (8-4-3)
.567 Cornell (7-5-3)
.500 Dartmouth (6-6-3)[/quote]

QU  22
SLU 21

So isn't QU in first?

[quote Trotsky]SLU 2 at Colgate 6

Apparently, the third period the Saints just drove off the cliff.[/quote]

SLU will probably come in buzzing tomorrow night - we'd better be ready!

[quote Robb][quote Trotsky]SLU 2 at Colgate 6

Apparently, the third period the Saints just drove off the cliff.[/quote]

SLU will probably come in buzzing tomorrow night - we'd better be ready![/quote]

I'm not really that surprised.  I wasn't very impressed with the Saints when we were up at Appleton, or when I saw them play Clarkson on TW26.  Marsh has done a great job getting the most out of that team.  SLU works hard though; so like Robb said we need to be on.

There were a couple of absolutely brutal calls tonight.  Luckily, they didn't impact the outcome.  The contact to the head roughing call on Bitz  was a joke.

there was also a tripping call right in front of section A/B against Sawada (i think?) that was total crap.

his stick hit the back of the clarkson player's calf and it was called a tripping... pretty bad call.

[quote mttgrmm]there was also a tripping call right in front of section A/B against Sawada (i think?) that was total crap.

his stick hit the back of the clarkson player's calf and it was called a tripping... pretty bad call.[/quote]

Yup... that was the other call I was thinking about:-}

Great, well-deserved win...

Excellent physical play around the puck. Solid passing and solid goaltending. Nice exploitation of the Clarkson defense (or lack thereof esp. down low). Good finishing (finally) and there were multiple odd-man rushes where they could've tacked on even a few more! Also, almost every time there was a loose puck in front of Scrivens, there were at least three, white jerseys to clear it out immediately. I thought pretty much everyone played well- they wanted it. It's nice to see what this team is capable of when they're on.

As for Clarkson, once the power offense wasn't working for them, the same bunch of goons we see every year emerged, especially towards the end (and I'll willingly open the floodgates with that one). Plus, Leggio couldn't guard the post. I wasn't impressed at all.

Also, there was a hook about 10 seconds prior to, and eventually resulting in the "holding the stick" call against Krantz.

OK. The hit job on Dodge worked. Who do I need to visit tomorrow?

[quote marty][quote Trotsky]Quinnipiac 6 at Yale 4

Top of the ECAC standings:

.700 SLU (10-4-1)
.688 Quinnipiac (9-3-4)
.633 Clarkson (8-4-3)
.567 Cornell (7-5-3)
.500 Dartmouth (6-6-3)[/quote]

QU  22
SLU 21

So isn't QU in first?[/quote]

Except they've played 1 more game.

McNulty, the safety sieve, made a really amazing one there at the end.  I am surprised he didn't get put in the net earlier.

[quote mttgrmm]there was also a tripping call right in front of section A/B against Sawada (i think?) that was total crap.[/quote]
Krantz' "holding the stick" was dicey, too.  The stick was embedded in Doug's gut, he wasn't holding it anywhere.

[quote redhair34]There were a couple of absolutely brutal calls tonight.  Luckily, they didn't impact the outcome.  The contact to the head roughing call on Bitz  was a joke.[/quote]

I wouldn't say it was a joke.  A Clarkson player hit Bitz, who then turned and punched him twice in the head.

I hope Schafer noted how well Mugford played in front of the net on the PP at the end.  He just parked himself there a la Tomas Holmstrom and all most deflected one in.

[quote marty][quote Trotsky]Quinnipiac 6 at Yale 4

Top of the ECAC standings:

.700 SLU (10-4-1)
.688 Quinnipiac (9-3-4)
.633 Clarkson (8-4-3)
.567 Cornell (7-5-3)
.500 Dartmouth (6-6-3)[/quote]

QU  22
SLU 21

So isn't QU in first?[/quote]

By points.  SLU is in first by winning percentage.  I prefer the latter, for the same reason that I think a 6-0-0 team is better than a 6-7-1 team.

Agreed. There was also a point in the second period where Sawada was parked very effectively in front of the net . Bitz (I think) chose not to take the shot, but had he gotten one on net, there's no way Leggio would've see it. Generally good play around the net.

where has the "your sister is your mother...." cheer gone?

my roomie and I attempted to sing it in the beginning of the third, and we were the only ones around who had any idea what was going on.

we're not that old, i'm '06 and he's '07, shouldn't there be more Faithful around who know it?


and also, if any band guys wanna chip in, why doesn't the band have Addams family in the queue anymore?  the conductor guy looked at me like i had 3 eyes when i asked if they were gonna play it or if we were on our own...


i always liked it.

[quote Giffy][quote redhair34]There were a couple of absolutely brutal calls tonight.  Luckily, they didn't impact the outcome.  The contact to the head roughing call on Bitz  was a joke.[/quote]

I wouldn't say it was a joke.  A Clarkson player hit Bitz, who then turned and punched him twice in the head.[/quote]

It was a joke because the Clarkson player knocked him in the head to the point where it almost jarred his helmet off.  I didn't see Bitz punch him in the head; I saw him shove him in the chest.  Even if he did, then send both to the box.

Cornell also controlled play and looked great behind the Clarkson goal, scoring twice on wrap-arounds and off Leggio's back on Greening's first goal.

I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights. Cornell can take a game from any team on any night, making cornell a very dangerous team.

Tech came out flat and got down, never overcame it. I hope it's a lesson. Can't blame the officiating, it was consistent all night. I will respectfully disagree with those so-called "Brutal" calls.

Good win guys, your team earned it.

[quote redhair34][quote Giffy][quote redhair34]There were a couple of absolutely brutal calls tonight.  Luckily, they didn't impact the outcome.  The contact to the head roughing call on Bitz  was a joke.[/quote]

I wouldn't say it was a joke.  A Clarkson player hit Bitz, who then turned and punched him twice in the head.[/quote]

It was a joke because the Clarkson player knocked him in the head to the point where it almost jarred his helmet off.  I didn't see Bitz punch him in the head; I saw him shove him in the chest.  Even if he did, then send both to the box.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree that they both should have gone.

[quote Giffy][quote redhair34][quote Giffy][quote redhair34]There were a couple of absolutely brutal calls tonight.  Luckily, they didn't impact the outcome.  The contact to the head roughing call on Bitz  was a joke.[/quote]

I wouldn't say it was a joke.  A Clarkson player hit Bitz, who then turned and punched him twice in the head.[/quote]

It was a joke because the Clarkson player knocked him in the head to the point where it almost jarred his helmet off.  I didn't see Bitz punch him in the head; I saw him shove him in the chest.  Even if he did, then send both to the box.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree that they both should have gone.[/quote]

the reason Bitz got a penalty was each player gets one shove. The clarkson player took his shove, Bitz took two shoves... the guy who keeps it going gets the penalty.

[quote Trotsky]Quinnipiac 6 at Yale 4

Top of the ECAC standings:

.700 SLU (10-4-1)
.688 Quinnipiac (9-3-4)
.633 Clarkson (8-4-3)
.567 Cornell (7-5-3)
.500 Dartmouth (6-6-3)[/quote]
Colgate is also 6-6-3 at .500.

You played well, we got served. Congrats, gents!  Till the next time.
Cheers!
Drew

[quote Dpperk29]
the reason Bitz got a penalty was each player gets one shove. The clarkson player took his shove, Bitz took two shoves... the guy who keeps it going gets the penalty.[/quote]

Thanks Mr. Referee.  I had a feeling you'd chime in.

What a great win!!! Let's hope the guys can do it again tomorrow.

From the Clarkson Roundtable...

"Cornell played a much, much, much (did I say much) more physical game than Clarkson. Their captain, Byron Bitz, is huge. I don't know the stats, but it seemed Cornell won every important faceoff in the game. Oh, and their student section... we should hire them if we make the tourney and they don't."

[quote Dpperk29]I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights.
[/quote]

You may very well be right.  But, you really have to wonder why Tech doesn't show up against a team that eliminated the past two years in the playoffs.  That's not a good sign.  Dodge's absence might have been a factor tonight, but it wasn't in Potsdam.

[quote redhair34][quote Dpperk29]
the reason Bitz got a penalty was each player gets one shove. The clarkson player took his shove, Bitz took two shoves... the guy who keeps it going gets the penalty.[/quote]

Thanks Mr. Referee.  I had a feeling you'd chime in.[/quote]

my ego is too wounded right now to decide if you are being complimentary or sarcastic. I'll take it as the first one, but it is probably the second. Either way, I am willing to tell you with near 100% certainty that the ref was using that exact logic

[quote Dpperk29]I'll take it as the first one, but it is probably the second. Either way, I am willing to tell you with near 100% certainty that the ref was using that exact logic[/quote]

Just because the call was based on logic doesn't make it the right call.  The first shove, where Bitz's helmet almost came off, should have resulted in a penalty.  I'm arguing that the degree of contact from the first shove should have at least resulted in matching minors.

[quote Dpperk29]the reason Bitz got a penalty was each player gets one shove.[/quote]

Just caught the end of the 1st period between Denver & UMD. Apparently the WCHA allows each player 2 shoves. Maybe that's the key to their success. ;)

To add to the list of reasons why Hansen should go back to ref school: One of the Clarkson goons (get names on your jerseys...I don't want to buy a program!), (maybe Kolu?) dragging Gallagher around by his facemask while the linesmen stared and did nothing.

[quote Dpperk29]I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights.[/quote]
You've been taking lessons from RichS, pal, I regret to say.

Look, your heroes managed three shots on goal in the third period and OT in a tied game against Cornell on your home ice.  Tonight they improved to a whopping four.  Get lost.

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Dpperk29]I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights.[/quote]
You've been taking lessons from RichS, pal, I regret to say.

Look, your heroes managed three shots on goal in the third period and OT in a tied game against Cornell on your home ice.  Tonight they improved to a whopping four.  Get lost.[/quote]

Al, lets use the month of january as an example as to why Clarkson is the better team on most nights.

cornell's record: 1-4-2
Clarkson's record: 4-1-3

Tonight, cornell was the better team. Most nights, Clarkson is the better team.

[quote Omie]What a great win!!! Let's hope the guys can do it again tomorrow.

From the Clarkson Roundtable...

"...I don't know the stats, but it seemed Cornell won every important faceoff in the game. Oh, and their student section... we should hire them if we make the tourney and they don't."[/quote]

38-26, Cornell -- I thought Cornell did a better job than that on faceoffs. Personally, I think every faceoff is important. Hiring the student section is an interesting idea...maybe they'd show up on time. :-)

[quote Dpperk29]
Al, lets use the month of january as an example as to why Clarkson is the better team on most nights.

cornell's record: 1-4-2
Clarkson's record: 4-1-3

Tonight, cornell was the better team. Most nights, Clarkson is the better team.[/quote]

Fine (not speaking for Al), but you still came on here and your first comment was about how your team is really better anyway. "Just remember, we're still better". Not particularly classy.

Are you high?  We were damn lucky to come away with a win tonight.  We didn't seem on at all, our first PK unit... well, let's not talk about that.  Actually, let's not talk about our power play units.  We almost gave up a couple of short handed goals.  There was a distinct lack of energy and puck handling.  Our one saving grace was that Clarkson was even less on than we were.

Let's hope our guys find that spark tomorrow night.

Not much to add...just a fantastic game.  Carefoot and Greening were outstanding, and not just because of their goals.  Excellent play from Mugford again too...that kid's gonna put one (or more) in real soon, if not tomorrow.

I'd also disagree with some statements about Scrivens not really being a factor tonight.  He had several good saves, and was definitely tested a bit more than against Colgate, but the blue-liners absolutely had his back tonight, and he seemed to allow fewer positioning mistakes also.  I don't want to say McLeod and Fontas on the PK compensate for the loss of Seminoff, but it doesn't look like we suffered all too much without him tonight...would be great to have him back though!

Clarkson just looked absolutely terrible, and Leggio looked okay at best...Dekanich seemed far better, even when we were outplaying Colgate.

I was really eager to see Clarkson play as I had missed the all-access feed of the Cheel game earlier in the season, and was expecting to see the #8 team in the nation come out flying and kill any motivation we had after the Colgate win.  But they looked tonight like a team that didn't even belong in the polls.

I was also glad that it wasn't just a case of them "playing down" to us, and instead, we were just absolutely red-hot, and completely schooled them.

A high powered offense?  A PPG?  I had to pinch myself a couple times tonight.

[quote MB]Are you high?  We were damn lucky to come away with a win tonight.  We didn't seem on at all, our first PK unit... well, let's not talk about that.  Actually, let's not talk about our power play units.  We almost gave up a couple of short handed goals.  There was a distinct lack of energy and puck handling.  Our one saving grace was that Clarkson was even less on than we were.

Let's hope our guys find that spark tomorrow night.[/quote]

We were the ones in white and red, not yellow and green.

[quote Dpperk29]
Al, lets use the month of january as an example as to why Clarkson is the better team on most nights.

cornell's record: 1-4-2
Clarkson's record: 4-1-3

Tonight, cornell was the better team. Most nights, Clarkson is the better team.[/quote]

Or, let's use the rest of the year, excluding January:
clarkson's record: 12-6-1
Cornell's record: 10-4-1

Clarkson didn't bring their best game to night. Too bad.

[quote DeltaOne81][quote Dpperk29]
Al, lets use the month of january as an example as to why Clarkson is the better team on most nights.

cornell's record: 1-4-2
Clarkson's record: 4-1-3

Tonight, cornell was the better team. Most nights, Clarkson is the better team.[/quote]

Fine (not speaking for Al), but you still came on here and your first comment was about how your team is really better anyway. "Just remember, we're still better". Not particularly classy.[/quote]

I've never really claimed to be classy. My post game posts are just streams of thought usually, there isn;t much attention paid to what order to say things. Tonight, all I can think is "We are better than them... we really are better than them".

I'll work on it next time

[quote Dpperk29][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Dpperk29]I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights.[/quote]
You've been taking lessons from RichS, pal, I regret to say.

Look, your heroes managed three shots on goal in the third period and OT in a tied game against Cornell on your home ice.  Tonight they improved to a whopping four.  Get lost.[/quote]

Al, lets use the month of january as an example as to why Clarkson is the better team on most nights.

cornell's record: 1-4-2
Clarkson's record: 4-1-3

Tonight, cornell was the better team. Most nights, Clarkson is the better team.[/quote]

Let's use history instead.

Cornell's record against Clarkson: 51-47-10
Tonight, Cornell was the better team.  PERIOD.

[quote MB]Are you high?  We were damn lucky to come away with a win tonight.  We didn't seem on at all, our first PK unit... well, let's not talk about that.  Actually, let's not talk about our power play units.  We almost gave up a couple of short handed goals.  There was a distinct lack of energy and puck handling.  Our one saving grace was that Clarkson was even less on than we were.

Let's hope our guys find that spark tomorrow night.[/quote]

Can't say I agree with anything you said.  They probably weren't four goals better than Clarkson tonight but I think it's pretty safe to say they were better in every facet of the game.  They made some mistakes, but the game wasn't even close.  This was one of Cornell's best games of the season and unquestionably their best game at Lynah this year.

[quote sah67][quote Dpperk29][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Dpperk29]I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights.[/quote]
You've been taking lessons from RichS, pal, I regret to say.

Look, your heroes managed three shots on goal in the third period and OT in a tied game against Cornell on your home ice.  Tonight they improved to a whopping four.  Get lost.[/quote]

Al, lets use the month of january as an example as to why Clarkson is the better team on most nights.

cornell's record: 1-4-2
Clarkson's record: 4-1-3

Tonight, cornell was the better team. Most nights, Clarkson is the better team.[/quote]

Let's use history instead.

Cornell's record against Clakson: 51-47-10
Tonight, Cornell was the better team.  Most nights, Cornell is the better team.[/quote]

hell, lets just use all time winning percentage...
.657 Clarkson the best in college hockey.
I can;t even find cornell's but it is less than clarkson's

Clarkson is the best on most nights.

[quote calgARI '07][quote MB]Are you high?  We were damn lucky to come away with a win tonight.  We didn't seem on at all, our first PK unit... well, let's not talk about that.  Actually, let's not talk about our power play units.  We almost gave up a couple of short handed goals.  There was a distinct lack of energy and puck handling.  Our one saving grace was that Clarkson was even less on than we were.

Let's hope our guys find that spark tomorrow night.[/quote]

Can't say I agree with anything you said.  They probably weren't four goals better than Clarkson tonight but I think it's pretty safe to say they were better in every facet of the game.  They made some mistakes, but the game wasn't even close.  This was one of Cornell's best games of the season and unquestionably their best game at Lynah this year.[/quote]

MB is probably just trying to bait us.  Especially since we scored 5 goals despite Leggio robbing 3 or 4 more great chances.  So Clarkson scores a couple more and we convert a couple of those, we still win 7-3 or something like that.  There is a lot of room for error to maintain a win with a 4-goal advantage.

Didn't your mom teach you anything about sore losers?  We get your point, as inane as it may be.  Go worry about Colgate...I've been hearing good things about that Burton kid, and Dekanich is going to be a handful.

[quote sah67]Didn't your mom teach you anything about sore losers?  We get your point, as inane as it may be.  Go worry about Colgate...I've been hearing good things about that Burton kid, and Dekanich is going to be a handful.[/quote]

if it is such an inane point, then why did you bother replying to it?

[quote Dpperk29]

if it is such an inane point, then why did you bother replying to it?[/quote]

I know you are but what am I?  *sigh* I'm done with this nonsense...you can have the last word if you deem it necessary.

[quote Dpperk29]I'm not going to say the better team won because I honestly think Clarkson is a better team on most nights. Cornell can take a game from any team on any night, making cornell a very dangerous team.

Good win guys, your team earned it.[/quote]Of course you're not going to say the better team won. Why should you, we beat you decisively at home and tied you, could have won, on the road. Even your coach said on the pregame that Clk was lucky, or something to that effect, with the first game.

Sure we had a sucking Jan, and yes we're not a great team, I've always said we would do well to get a top 4 finish; but we took 3 points from our games with you, so what does that make you?

I'm always surprised when someone who has lost comes on and states the best team didn't win. What do you expect us to say, we agree? I give all of us a lot of credit for putting up stats to defend, and not getting into a flamefest. Good job guys.

Quotethe reason Bitz got a penalty was each player gets one shove. The clarkson player took his shove, Bitz took two shoves... the guy who keeps it going gets the penalty.

Wow, you're going to have to show me the rule about this. I would say that it is often that the retaliation gets the call, but honestly I yelled at that call since you took the first blow to our head, and then Bitz came in. He just missed the call, pure and simple. Unfortunately Bitz should know better especially after he got similar call in prior game.

[quote Dpperk29]Clarkson is the best on most nights.[/quote]

As long as it's not a game that means much.  Playoff elimination games:

Postseason vs. Clarkson:
Cornell 18-8-1 (even giving Clarkson credit for that stupid minigame)

Elimination Games vs. Clarkson:
Cornell 12-5 (including the 1970 NCAA game and also giving Cornell a point for the tie that gave Cornell the first-to-3-points series win in 1989, and Clarkson getting a point for the minigame)

Isn't it nice that we both get to think our team's tradition, history, and records are better?

Neither Clarkson poster is being a sore loser; in fact, if anything, a few people on this thread are being poor winners.  Both congratulated Cornell for being the better team tonight and deserving the win.  What do you want, them to convert to being Cornell fans? ::rolleyes::  Au contraire, they showed much more class than most of us do under similar circumstances.

Great win tonight, and Cornell seems to be putting it together at the right time of year.  Clarkson came in something like 16-6-3, and that's well beyond "you got lucky sometimes" territory -- they're a legitimate conference contender.

I hope Cornell plays well tomorrow -- we seemed to match up with the Knights much better than with the Saints in the North Country this year, and SLU just got their heads handed to them last night in Hamilton which means they will be royally pissed off.

I think Cornell just plays a good counter to Clarkson's style. Barring the series that never happened, we have played them very very well in the recent past.

[quote Trotsky]
Au contraire, they showed much more class than most of us do under similar circumstances.
[/quote]

What a crock of shit.

For the people saying we gave up too many chances...they're right. Especially shorthanded chances, like when two guys RAN INTO EACH OTHER and left a clarkson player with the puck in our zone during our pp. Could have been very embarrassing. However, we pretty much dominated, so whatever.

In fact, despite the extra speed and breakaway goals, it felt eerily like the team of two years ago- big, strong, physical, scoring goals DOWN LOW. God, that felt good. When was the last time we had a few wraparounds like that? When was the last time you were in Lynah and truly felt like we were invincible, like our guys just worked harder and got results? Awesome awesome game.

Boooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrring.

Let's talk about frikkin' hockey. Nobody said anything wrong from my viewpoint. We don't need to be so darn touchy. It's just sports.

Clarkson definitely showed some signs of life tonight. Great puck movement on offense; Scrivens fell down quite often and got lucky that the puck didn't end up behind him a couple more times. Great stop on a 2x0 shorthanded breakaway by Leggio.

Lots to like about Cornell's play tonight. The freshmen were fantastic--Milo, Romano, Greening. Schafer's definitely looking to them to make big plays now.

I disagreed with the decision to start Scrivens, and he was his usual falling-down, coming way out of net, making bizarre saves self. Somehow, he held the Tech offense to one goal, so he needs to be given some credit.

Refereeing was questionable once Cornell got a big lead, but it's expected that the calls go the other way once you're up by 3 or 4. It's a nice feeling to know that the refs are trying to help the opposing team get back in the game because you're up by a few.

Like some others have said, this was not a 5-1 game. Cornell was the better team tonight, but a couple Scrivens rebounds or fall-downs or some better goaltending by Leggio makes this a lot closer.

Despite the Roundtable post someone quoted above, the fans were disappointing. Lots and lots of empty seats at gametime. A couple guys strolled in around 8:15 and pushed their way into the middle of B, intent on standing where their tickets were. These guys knew nothing about hockey and we rewarded them by yelling at them to come to the game on time. We had some long stretches of relative silence in the student sections. I'd normally be happy to start a LGR or something, but I lost confidence in the other fans to join in. What's the point of starting a cheer if you know it's going to die out right after you start it?

LGR

Overall, a great game. We dominated on faceoffs and the guys won a lot of the small battles for the puck along the boards. I did think that Clarkson checked harder than we did, but our guys kept up their speed and intensity. It was lots of fun to watch. Great crowd again tonight- I talked with some Clarkson students who came to Lynah for the first time on the way out and they were saying how impressed they were.

Regarding the penalties, it seemed like Hansen cared more about keeping chances even than calling what happened. The Sawada tripping was crap- I couldn't even tell if he made contact there. Right before the holding the stick call two of our players were dragged down along the end boards. Also, as Krantz was skating off with the linesman for the holding the stick penalty, the linesman told him the penalty was for throwing the stick (after the Clarkson guy hooked him, the stick was lodged in Krantz's arm and instead of letting it drop he kinda twirled and the stick was thrown) so that was the justification there.

For those that know what I'm talking about, it really felt like watching a video game match of NHL 94 with all the wraparound goals. Leggio was awful at guarding the post. Wonder if that was stressed in scouting reports.

No, really.  Leggio sucked tonight, no doubt about it.  Agree with that.  All of us in A and B let him know that (thank you Leggio *clap clap clapclapclap*).

Look, I truly am a Cornell fan.  I really want Cornell to win. Though, truth be told, we played much, MUCH better against Colgate than we did against we against Clarkson.  We shut down after the first period.  Can you argue about our penalty kill?  I really think that we played better 5 on 5 than we did 5 on 4.  Our PK at the Colgate game in the last 5 minutes was amazing.  This game?  We almost give up 3 short handed goals!  Scrivens came to our rescue (I maintain that he's the better goaltender).

Our 4 goal win was deceptive tonight.  We had bursts of great play-- Romano was a thug.  But really, as was said last season, we need to play a full 60 minutes of hockey.  No matter what the lead, we should always want to score a goal.  We should always want to kill the penalty.  We should always want to score on the PP.  Leggio gave up some really bad goals tonight.  If Scrivens or Davenport gave 'em up, you'd throw them under the bus.  Remember, we played OK tonight, but our potential is much, MUCH higher.

I admittedly didn't see the 1st half of the game.  I saw Leggio make some big time saves before he was pulled, so if he let in some soft ones early, I didn't realize it.

Yeah, Sawada tripping wasn't legitimate, and the Gallagher face mask incident was strikingly obvious. I seem to remember us getting away with some other tripping call when we were already down a man. Had Tech gotten the 5x3 in that situation, they would have had the chance to cut the lead to 1, IIRC.

Each man allowed one push? Is that a joke?

Every time I hear an opposing band, I am again reminded of how much better our pep band is. Thanks, guys!

[quote Trotsky][quote mttgrmm]there was also a tripping call right in front of section A/B against Sawada (i think?) that was total crap.[/quote]
Krantz' "holding the stick" was dicey, too.  The stick was embedded in Doug's gut, he wasn't holding it anywhere.[/quote]

seriously!  not only was he not holding it, but it begged the question:  if the stick is in krantz's midseciont, then how did it get there in the first place?

yeah for real...

i'm gonna start "good band, bad band" cheers regardless of who shows up, but tonight there was a clear difference in band quality (sorry Clarkson fans that frequent eLynah)


with colgate i thought they at least had some talent, but tonight i definitely was reminded of how good our band is.

thanks, guys!

[quote mttgrmm]where has the "your sister is your mother...." cheer gone?

my roomie and I attempted to sing it in the beginning of the third, and we were the only ones around who had any idea what was going on.

we're not that old, i'm '06 and he's '07, shouldn't there be more Faithful around who know it?


and also, if any band guys wanna chip in, why doesn't the band have Addams family in the queue anymore?  the conductor guy looked at me like i had 3 eyes when i asked if they were gonna play it or if we were on our own...


i always liked it.[/quote]

We had it going on at the top of B.  Worked well i thought.  Band participation would be fantastic but i am not sure they can condone that kind of stuff.

If only there was a catchy song like that for SLU(t)

[quote mttgrmm]yeah for real...

i'm gonna start "good band, bad band" cheers regardless of who shows up, but tonight there was a clear difference in band quality (sorry Clarkson fans that frequent eLynah)


with colgate i thought they at least had some talent, but tonight i definitely was reminded of how good our band is.

thanks, guys![/quote]

part of the problem, and this goes for colgate as well, is that the they chose to sit in the bottom left corner of section O right in front of the glass.  As a consequence they played righ into the glass and they're sound was muffled all night.  Now both Colgate and Clarkson had the entirety of section O open to them when the band bought tickets, why did they chose the seats right infront of the glass?  It's idoitic.

Scrivens played great and had some great saves. There a couple of close calls but he still managed to be there when it counted and made 26 saves out of 27 shots. He has given our team a chance to win on both Colgate games and against Clarkson and two out of those we came out with the win.

It seems there is nothing the fans can do to impress or even live up to the expectations of old timers. The student section was great against Clarkson and even better against Colgate. They are definitely doing their part.

note: Corrected some spelling to satisfy jtwcornell91.

Not sure what you're talking about... obviously when you're up 4 goals, you're going to take a defensive stance. As for quality of play, both the offense and defense showed up ... period. You can criticize special teams if you wish, but the bottom line is that we scored goals, played good defense, and had solid play between the pipes. That's a winning formula- regardless of any short-handed opportunities that amounted to nothing. This game was better played than vs. Colgate in my opinion. You can't win games without goals.

Definitely the worst referee in NCAA Hockey... What a clown

A lot of people called him "blind" tonight, which I didn't really agree with. He was more "stupid" than he was "blind."  Tripping on Sawada.. I just couldn't believe that call.

Don't worry. You guys will still be in the top 10. I'll be happy if we can manage to hang on at the bottom at all.

[quote evilnaturedrobot][quote mttgrmm]yeah for real...

i'm gonna start "good band, bad band" cheers regardless of who shows up, but tonight there was a clear difference in band quality (sorry Clarkson fans that frequent eLynah)


with colgate i thought they at least had some talent, but tonight i definitely was reminded of how good our band is.

thanks, guys![/quote]

part of the problem, and this goes for colgate as well, is that the they chose to sit in the bottom left corner of section O right in front of the glass.  As a consequence they played righ into the glass and they're sound was muffled all night.  Now both Colgate and Clarkson had the entirety of section O open to them when the band bought tickets, why did they chose the seats right infront of the glass?  It's idoitic.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure they don't "choose" those seats.  Either Cornell or the visiting ticket office decide to put the visiting band ticket allotment there.  (I presume it use to be for the benefit of the SRO spaces along the rail above O and now it's for the benefit of the luxury box in the corner.

[quote mttgrmm]yeah for real...

i'm gonna start "good band, bad band" cheers regardless of who shows up, but tonight there was a clear difference in band quality (sorry Clarkson fans that frequent eLynah)


with colgate i thought they at least had some talent, but tonight i definitely was reminded of how good our band is.

thanks, guys![/quote]

Wow, times have changed if Colgate is considered to have a better band than Clarkson.  For my part, I respect the fact that both schools actually bring a band to Lynah.

[quote Omie]It seems there is nothing the fans can do to impress or even live up to the expectations of old timers. The student section was great against Clarkson and even better against Colgate. They are definitely doing there part.[/quote]

Well, you could start by spelling like you go to an Ivy League school. ::rolleyes::

[quote Oat]Don't worry. You guys will still be in the top 10. I'll be happy if we can manage to hang on at the bottom at all.[/quote]

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php?grid=1&rb=.0030

Clarkson currently #7, Cornell #22 in the ratings that matter.  (At least the last couple of wins have pulled our RPI up to the level where we're a TUC again.)

What an awsome game!! We dictated play almost the entire time.  I can't think of one time when tech had pressure on us and took it beyond one faceoff in our zone.  We had a couple special teams breakdowns but it seemed like we were trying to do some new stuff on the PP with some new personel.  Hopefully a little time will iron out the wrinkles.

Tonight might have been the breakout game for Greening, his first goal was sptacular.  That is what I expected to see out of him from presason scouting reports, he has a huge upside.  

I thought that we were putting the puck to the net from any and all anles more often tonight than I've seen from a schafer era team.  It was a great sight to see and I hope we can build on it.

[quote ebilmes]Every time I hear an opposing band, I am again reminded of how much better our pep band is. Thanks, guys![/quote]
If true this year, that upsets me... I always thought the Clarkson band was a pretty good match for us in the past couple of years, at least in terms of intensity.

[quote ebilmes]
Every time I hear an opposing band, I am again reminded of how much better our pep band is. Thanks, guys![/quote]

it's hard for your band to sound good when only a third of it is at the game and it is crammed right down by the glass.

[quote Dpperk29][quote ebilmes]
Every time I hear an opposing band, I am again reminded of how much better our pep band is. Thanks, guys![/quote]

it's hard for your band to sound good when only a third of it is at the game and it is crammed right down by the glass.[/quote]

Yeah, I wish we wouldn't do that.  It's one think to debate whether we'd rather have a better chance to beat CCT without Nick Dodge, but we certainly can afford to have the opposing band at full strength.  (Well, except for the electric bass. :-})

[quote duffs4]Tonight might have been the breakout game for Greening, his first goal was sptacular.  That is what I expected to see out of him from presason scouting reports, he has a huge upside.[/quote]

He also created a pair of other great chances which barely missed.  He, Carefoot and Kennedy just blew Clarkson out of the water.  Leggio will see them in his sleep for weeks.

2 two thoughts.. a 3rd of the clarkson band was there?? must be tradition cause it was the same size its been for 10 years..  and yeah its good they finally put the opp band in a place that doesnt effect the rest of us sitting next to them.

and how anyone could say that krantz penalty was not a joke wasnt paying attention.. the play started with the Clark player hooking under the arm inside the jersey and then it got caught in the jersey as they turned, when the puck finally moved away he had little choice but to let go, the stick embedded still.. the cu player left with the stick like a 3rd arm turned to the ref still got no call and finally shook it free at the ref and the goof called the penalty..

[quote evilnaturedrobot]Now both Colgate and Clarkson had the entirety of section O open to them when the band bought tickets, why did they chose the seats right infront of the glass?  It's idoitic.[/quote]
That's not true.  4000 seats / 15 sections = 266 seats per section (or so).  The visitors' allotment is only 100 seats, so they have less than half of O to work with, and I'm sure their tickets have seat numbers on them.

[quote French Rage][quote marty][quote Trotsky]Quinnipiac 6 at Yale 4

Top of the ECAC standings:

.700 SLU (10-4-1)
.688 Quinnipiac (9-3-4)
.633 Clarkson (8-4-3)
.567 Cornell (7-5-3)
.500 Dartmouth (6-6-3)[/quote]

QU  22
SLU 21

So isn't QU in first?[/quote]

Except they've played 1 more game.[/quote]

I thought the game in hand issue was caught up.  (Oviously I can't add very late into the evening.  Wasn't celebrating the win either!::drunk::)

[quote marty]I thought the game in hand issue was caught up.  (Oviously I can't add very late into the evening.  Wasn't celebrating the win either!::drunk::)[/quote]
It was "caught up" until the Tuesday Q-H game that was scheduled on an unusual night so that Harvard would be well-rested when losing their Beanpot opener.

Quote from: MBRomano was a thug

Please explain. I suspect there is some new meaning to the word thug that I don't understand.

Aww...you all upset Goldie Knight.  Copied from the roundtable...

"I guess I will forever wonder what it takes to motivate the Golden Knights to play their best against a team whose fans condemn every penalty call made against Cornell and call Clarkson a group of goons. Their arrogant and insulting chant near the end of the game, "overrated", repeated incessantly, was simply sickening to hear. Reading their posts on elynah will provide Clarkson fans the perfect picture of what true cornell fans are actually like."

[quote DisplacedCornellian]Reading their posts on elynah will provide Clarkson fans the perfect picture of what true cornell fans are actually like."[/quote]
Reading Goldie Knight will provide Cornell fans a glimpse of what insanity is like.

[quote DisplacedCornellian]Aww...you all upset Goldie Knight.[/quote]
But, to give credit where credit is due, old Goldie also wrote this:  

"From listening to some of the broadcast, it seemed that Clarkson was not ever really in the game. They played, but they were outplayed in practically every facet of the game. Coach Roll mentioned that the Golden Knights were beaten by a much better team. Cornell got their tempo early in the game by scoring quickly and kicked the Golden Knights back on their heels; they are a tough team to come back against. Cornell was much better prepared, and they worked a lot harder than the Golden Knights."

[quote DisplacedCornellian]Aww...you all upset Goldie Knight.  Copied from the roundtable...

"I guess I will forever wonder what it takes to motivate the Golden Knights to play their best against a team whose fans condemn every penalty call made against Cornell and call Clarkson a group of goons. Their arrogant and insulting chant near the end of the game, "overrated", repeated incessantly, was simply sickening to hear. Reading their posts on elynah will provide Clarkson fans the perfect picture of what true cornell fans are actually like."[/quote]

Um, I know Goldie has been around for a while; how has she ever survived this long if she gets so worked up over the "overrated" chant, which is pretty ubiquitous in sports?  Has it been so long^* since Clarkson was consistently good that she's forgotten the chant?

^* I would say no, since I remember those days well enough.

http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20062007/m/02/02/ckn-cor.php

"Freshman Ben Scrivens, who has recently claimed the top spot for the Big Red, finished the game with 26 saves."

Does the writer know something we don't?

[quote upperdeck]2 two thoughts.. a 3rd of the clarkson band was there?? must be tradition cause it was the same size its been for 10 years..  and yeah its good they finally put the opp band in a place that doesnt effect the rest of us sitting next to them.
[/quote]

my understanding is that there were only enough tickets alotted to the band for 1/3 of the band to come. (and Daredevil can confirm this or tell me I am out to lunch)

[quote Dpperk29][quote upperdeck]2 two thoughts.. a 3rd of the clarkson band was there?? must be tradition cause it was the same size its been for 10 years..  and yeah its good they finally put the opp band in a place that doesnt effect the rest of us sitting next to them.
[/quote]

my understanding is that there were only enough tickets alotted to the band for 1/3 of the band to come. (and Daredevil can confirm this or tell me I am out to lunch)[/quote]

But you have a huge band at home, right? They have just about a whole section to themselves, IIRC.

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Omie]It seems there is nothing the fans can do to impress or even live up to the expectations of old timers. The student section was great against Clarkson and even better against Colgate. They are definitely doing there part.[/quote]

Well, you could start by spelling like you go to an Ivy League school. ::rolleyes::[/quote]

Picking on spelling and grammar, unless it's so egregious as to make a post utterly incomprehensible (see, e.g., plrd78), is pointless, obnoxious, pedantic, and just as likely to drive people away from a message board as it is to make them think, "Oh, he's right, I should shape up."  And in this case, it's a ridiculous stretch to think that the old timers who aren't impressed with the current students' cheering or enthusiasm in the rink think it has anything to do with their ability to spell an entire post correctly at 3:11 in the morning.

Picking on people who pick on spelling and grammar, on the other hand - well, that's just cool.

[quote Beeeej][quote jtwcornell91][quote Omie]It seems there is nothing the fans can do to impress or even live up to the expectations of old timers. The student section was great against Clarkson and even better against Colgate. They are definitely doing there part.[/quote]

Well, you could start by spelling like you go to an Ivy League school. ::rolleyes::[/quote]

Picking on spelling and grammar, unless it's so egregious as to make a post utterly incomprehensible (see, e.g., plrd78), is pointless, obnoxious, pedantic, and just as likely to drive people away from a message board as it is to make them think, "Oh, he's right, I should shape up."  And in this case, it's a ridiculous stretch to think that the old timers who aren't impressed with the current students' cheering or enthusiasm in the rink think it has anything to do with their ability to spell an entire post correctly at 3:11 in the morning.

Picking on people who pick on spelling and grammar, on the other hand - well, that's just cool.[/quote]

I know I'm dating myself.    But, one of the interesting parts of the advent of the keyboard-to-keyboard communication is the number of intelligent people who just can not spell.   Admittedly, some of it is just sloppiness.    But some people just don't have it when it comes to spelling.   Spellchecking can help.   And, there is always the old-fashioned dictionary.   But, if the person thinks they're spelling a word correctly, they're not going to refer to a dictionary.   Which brings me to my (somewhat philosophical) age-old question:   how is a person supposed to look up a word in a dictionary if they don't know how to spell it?  ::rolleyes::

[quote KP '06]http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20062007/m/02/02/ckn-cor.php

"Freshman Ben Scrivens, who has recently claimed the top spot for the Big Red, finished the game with 26 saves."

Does the writer know something we don't?[/quote]

Scrivens has started and played well in the last two games. He's brought his SV% above .900 and I would not be surprised to see him start tonight. It's impossible to know what's going on in Schafer's mind, but it's not unreasonable to think Ben is the #1.

[quote ebilmes][quote KP '06]http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20062007/m/02/02/ckn-cor.php

"Freshman Ben Scrivens, who has recently claimed the top spot for the Big Red, finished the game with 26 saves."

Does the writer know something we don't?[/quote]

Scrivens has started and played well in the last two games. He's brought his SV% above .900 and I would not be surprised to see him start tonight. It's impossible to know what's going on in Schafer's mind, but it's not unreasonable to think Ben is the #1.[/quote]

I thought Schafer said he was going to a goalie rotation. Maybe the USCHO reporter just made an assumption based on Ben being in net for our only 2 wins in the past month.  Granted Ben played solid goal in those two games, but I am not ready to proclaim him (or Davenport) as the top goalie.

I guess we will have to tune it to see who gets the start tonight. Neither the Cornell website nor the Ithaca Journal mentioned who would be in goal against St. Lawrence.
http://cornellbigred.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/recaps/020207aaa.html
http://www.theithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/SPORTS/702030376/1006

Thanks for pointing my mistakes out. Next time I post at 3:11am while being drunk I'll make sure I have my FWS instructor behind me.

How about addressing the point of the post instead of being a douche?

[quote redice][quote Beeeej][quote jtwcornell91][quote Omie]It seems there is nothing the fans can do to impress or even live up to the expectations of old timers. The student section was great against Clarkson and even better against Colgate. They are definitely doing there part.[/quote]

Well, you could start by spelling like you go to an Ivy League school. ::rolleyes::[/quote]

Picking on spelling and grammar, unless it's so egregious as to make a post utterly incomprehensible (see, e.g., plrd78), is pointless, obnoxious, pedantic, and just as likely to drive people away from a message board as it is to make them think, "Oh, he's right, I should shape up."  And in this case, it's a ridiculous stretch to think that the old timers who aren't impressed with the current students' cheering or enthusiasm in the rink think it has anything to do with their ability to spell an entire post correctly at 3:11 in the morning.

Picking on people who pick on spelling and grammar, on the other hand - well, that's just cool.[/quote]

I know I'm dating myself.    But, one of the interesting parts of the advent of the keyboard-to-keyboard communication is the number of intelligent people who just can not spell.   Admittedly, some of it is just sloppiness.    But some people just don't have it when it comes to spelling.   Spellchecking can help.   And, there is always the old-fashioned dictionary.   But, if the person thinks they're spelling a word correctly, they're not going to refer to a dictionary.   Which brings me to my (somewhat philosophical) age-old question:   how is a person supposed to look up a word in a dictionary if they don't know how to spell it?  ::rolleyes::[/quote]

Some of the problem is people are not proofreading.  I would like to believe that most Cornell students and graduates know the difference between there, their, and they're.  

That said, I just skimmed the Harvard thread at USCHO and Bothman used the phrase "all intensive purposes".  ::uhoh::

[quote nyc94]
That said, I just skimmed the Harvard thread at USCHO and Bothman used the phrase "all intensive purposes".  ::uhoh::[/quote]

I think he went to Penn.

FWIW, Scrivens absolutely embarrassed himself up at Canton a few weeks back.  Not sure if what direction that leads Schafer in for tonight...

Scrivens has done well the last two games, played far more conservatively and taking a lot fewer chances.  He still doesn't look at all comfortable to me.  He makes the easy saves look hard and doesn't really make the hard saves.  I will say that he made a series of great stops in the 2nd period last night though.  Again, it's just the confidence.  When he makes a good stop, he almost looks surprised.  His rebound control is far and away the weakest part of his game.  Cornell has done a much better job clearing away those rebounds the last two games and controlling the area in front of the net.  

To me, Davenport is just a far more polished goaltender.

It will be interesting to see how Schafer deals with the goaltending. I think Davenport will (and should) be in net tonight to allow for the rotation scheme to be effective. That said Scrivens has upped his game; he is definitely being more conscious about rebounds (eg when he pounced on the puck vs. Colgate), has stayed in net more, and had some big saves last night. 26 saves and only one goal allowed is pretty good any night.

You're right, and in hindsight, probably not the best word to describe Romano.  His play was great through the night.

there was a particular sequence of moves approaching the blue line in front of section D towards the end of the second period that was absolutely crazy.

romano put the puck backwards between his legs, stopped, 360'd around to get the puck he dropped behind him, then kept going forward towards the net... it didn't really amount to much, but just a ridiculous sequence of jukes.

[quote Omie]Thanks for pointing my mistakes out. Next time I post at 3:11am while being drunk I'll make sure I have my FWS instructor behind me.[/quote]

You needed a college writing course to teach you the difference between "there" and "their"?

QuoteHow about addressing the point of the post instead of being a douche?

Because name-calling is much more mature than correcting spelling.

[quote mttgrmm]
romano put the puck backwards between his legs, stopped, 360'd around to get the puck he dropped behind him, then kept going forward towards the net... it didn't really amount to much, but just a ridiculous sequence of jukes.[/quote]

I loved that.  He was waiting for his teammates to clear the zone. And played keep away from four Clarkson players in order to get the faceoff in their zone for the start of the PP.

[quote calgARI '07]FWIW, Scrivens absolutely embarrassed himself up at Canton a few weeks back.  Not sure if what direction that leads Schafer in for tonight...

Scrivens has done well the last two games, played far more conservatively and taking a lot fewer chances.  He still doesn't look at all comfortable to me.  He makes the easy saves look hard and doesn't really make the hard saves.  I will say that he made a series of great stops in the 2nd period last night though.  Again, it's just the confidence.  When he makes a good stop, he almost looks surprised.  His rebound control is far and away the weakest part of his game.  Cornell has done a much better job clearing away those rebounds the last two games and controlling the area in front of the net.  
[/quote]

I think you might be onto somthing with his comfort in net.  I've watched him in warm up the last two nights and what really stood out to me then was that he was puting every rebound into the corners.  No I do realize that this is just warmup, but the point is that he's clearly capable of doing it, now he just has to get situated enough in a game situation to do when it counts.

[quote Robb][quote evilnaturedrobot]Now both Colgate and Clarkson had the entirety of section O open to them when the band bought tickets, why did they chose the seats right infront of the glass?  It's idoitic.[/quote]
That's not true.  4000 seats / 15 sections = 266 seats per section (or so).  The visitors' allotment is only 100 seats, so they have less than half of O to work with, and I'm sure their tickets have seat numbers on them.[/quote]

I did not realize this, I had always assumed that all of section O was offered to the visiting team and they just failed to sell it out.  I guess this makes alot more sense.

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Omie]Thanks for pointing my mistakes out. Next time I post at 3:11am while being drunk I'll make sure I have my FWS instructor behind me.[/quote]

You needed a college writing course to teach you the difference between "there" and "their"?[/quote]

The first part was sarcasm. I am sure that you, as a Cornell alum, know what it is.

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Omie]How about addressing the point of the post instead of being a douche?[/quote]

Because name-calling is much more mature than correcting spelling.[/quote]

I don't know; I think me calling you a douche might be at the same level as you correcting my 3:11am post without addressing its main point.

This is a pointless argument anyway. I'll let you have the last word. Have a good day.

[quote KP '06]
But you have a huge band at home, right? They have just about a whole section to themselves, IIRC.[/quote]

Correct. They have a whole section, and they fill it.

[quote evilnaturedrobot][quote calgARI '07]His rebound control is far and away the weakest part of his game.  Cornell has done a much better job clearing away those rebounds the last two games and controlling the area in front of the net.  
[/quote]

I think you might be onto somthing with his comfort in net.  I've watched him in warm up the last two nights and what really stood out to me then was that he was puting every rebound into the corners.  No I do realize that this is just warmup, but the point is that he's clearly capable of doing it, now he just has to get situated enough in a game situation to do when it counts.[/quote]

Agreed about the rebounds. A few really juicy rebounds just sat in front of the goal for Tech last night; Ben has to work on either covering those or knocking them into the corner. Those turn into goals when we're playing against forwards with a little more awareness.

Cornell had a big win last night--isn't this supposed to be the time on eLynah when we all get along?

[quote Dpperk29][quote KP '06]
But you have a huge band at home, right? They have just about a whole section to themselves, IIRC.[/quote]

Correct. They have a whole section, and they fill it.[/quote]

When it's not over break.

Wow, I can't believe all the talk on the officiating here.  I actually thought Hansen called one of the best ECAC games I've seen in quite some time.  I can't speak for the dive as I couldn't see it.  The Bitz call was legit, the Clarkson player made a clean hit, the ref allowed a push back, the punch to the head was obvious and blatant.  The holding the stick call was poor, but one poor call in a game, I'll take it.

Hansen gave the payback holding the stick when Weller was held up by the stick and then just plain old held and nothing was called.  He also blew a play dead in front that Scrivens never even covered, the puck was loose outside his glove with the post blocking Hansen's view.  I know it's his job to blow it dead when he loses sight of the puck, but that one hurt.  The hook on the partial breakaway could have also been called a penalty shot, but I've noticed most ECAC ref's won't give the shot unless it's a free and clear breakaway.

By the way... my first game at Lynah, although unenjoyable because of the result, was an absolute blast.  I had tickets in front of the student section and had a great time.  The kids were obnoxious toward Clarkson, but at the same time respectful toward me.  Very classy and rough at the same time.

[quote Dpperk29][quote ebilmes]
Every time I hear an opposing band, I am again reminded of how much better our pep band is. Thanks, guys![/quote]

it's hard for your band to sound good when only a third of it is at the game and it is crammed right down by the glass.[/quote]

Metaphor for the Golden Knight offense last night.

Yeah, I was talking hockey with one of the ushers during warmups, and he said he loves how Cornell "puts" the opposite band against the glass.  Also, Clarkson doesn't travel with their full band due to ticketing limitations, as I'm sure is the case with Cornell too (although I've never seen them at Cheel).

[quote ebilmes]
Cornell had a big win last night--isn't this supposed to be the time on eLynah when we all get along?[/quote]

well Clarkson is the one fanbase, aside from cornell that is, that has a pretty reasonable pressance on elynah, so it makes sense that there would be some contention (which I happen to enjoy, who likes preaching to the choir?)

however, it this case I'd say that most of the Clarkson fans have been pretty respectful and a few of the faithful are overreacting.

[quote dto]Yeah, I was talking hockey with one of the ushers during warmups, and he said he loves how Cornell "puts" the opposite band against the glass.  Also, Clarkson doesn't travel with their full band due to ticketing limitations, as I'm sure is the case with Cornell too (although I've never seen them at Cheel).[/quote]

Personally, I think that's poor manners on Cornell's part.  Clarkson's band was completely muffled all night, they had no chance.  I wish the ticketing office would just trust that we can drown themout without any help :-D (though I'm sure the real reason has to do with the 'prime seating boxes' or the concern of some other group of ticket holders.)

And do you meen that you've never seen the Cornell band at Cheel or that you've never seen the full band at Cheel?  I was under the impression that the band made the north country trip.

I watched Scrivens in warmups ... they were right in front of me in section D and my pizza was already in my belly, so I was pretty much bored.  I was not at all impressed with him and I actually thought he was the backup to the backup.  He got really lucky on the rebounds tonight; he didn't get them to the sides in the game.  The Cornell defense outplayed Clarkson in front of the net though (funny, I remember having this exact conversation about Leggio earlier in the season).

This is a great experience for a freshman and I think he'll serve you well in the future, especially if your defense plays like it did last night.  However, you guys really need to get his hat painted.

[quote DisplacedCornellian]Aww...you all upset Goldie Knight.  Copied from the roundtable...

"I guess I will forever wonder what it takes to motivate the Golden Knights to play their best against a team whose fans condemn every penalty call made against Cornell and call Clarkson a group of goons. Their arrogant and insulting chant near the end of the game, "overrated", repeated incessantly, was simply sickening to hear. Reading their posts on elynah will provide Clarkson fans the perfect picture of what true cornell fans are actually like."[/quote]

Maybe we ought to chant, "Vic [clap] tim [clap] of circumstance [clap clap clap]," but it doesn't have the same ring.

[quote dto]Yeah, I was talking hockey with one of the ushers during warmups, and he said he loves how Cornell "puts" the opposite band against the glass.[/quote]


Since a number of people have commented about this I thought I'd throw my two cents in.  I can think of two possible explanations for why the the opposing bands have been pushed down to the glass this year.  When the band stands in the middle of the section it obstructs the view of the high rollers in the box seats.  Or the band doesn't obstruct their view, but athletics just wants to keep the band as far away from the box seats as possible.

I went to Clarkson 92-96 and never saw Cornell's band up there (or if I did, I got way too drunk at happy hour to remember).  I watched the game from Cheel this year on the internet and I saw some Red fans, but don't recall seeing or hearing a band.

[quote evilnaturedrobot][quote ebilmes]
Cornell had a big win last night--isn't this supposed to be the time on eLynah when we all get along?[/quote]

well Clarkson is the one fanbase, aside from cornell that is, that has a pretty reasonable pressance on elynah, so it makes sense that there would be some contention (which I happen to enjoy, who likes preaching to the choir?)

however, it this case I'd say that most of the Clarkson fans have been pretty respectful and a few of the faithful are overreacting.[/quote]

I was referring more to the grammar issue. It's expected that our Clarkson posters (with the exception of Drew) get contentious whenever we face each other.

[quote dto]I went to Clarkson 92-96 and never saw Cornell's band up there (or if I did, I got way too drunk at happy hour to remember).  I watched the game from Cheel this year on the internet and I saw some Red fans, but don't recall seeing or hearing a band.[/quote]

They were there.  I'm guessing about one third of the band made the trip?

Now you know why we don't have names on the road jerseys.  Ivy League fans are too cheap to buy programs and thus can't harrass our players. ::nut::

Speaking of harrassment, several of the fans in the student section I was near were upset that you don't have any "special" chants for Clarkson.  I was upset that we don't rate well enough for our own chant.  (Personally, I like "Around the bowl, down the hole, go Brown go." or "Brown's the color of dog @#$%")

As an outsider, the conversation about grammar is just killing me.  Then again, Clarkson is an engineering school, so we aren't expected to have good grammar.

[quote dto]Now you know why we don't have names on the road jerseys.  Ivy League fans are too cheap to buy programs and thus can't harrass our players. ::nut::

Speaking of harrassment, several of the fans in the student section I was near were upset that you don't have any "special" chants for Clarkson.  I was upset that we don't rate well enough for our own chant.  (Personally, I like "Around the bowl, down the hole, go Brown go." or "Brown's the color of dog @#$%")[/quote]

"Disco Tech" didn't exactly catch on. Nor did "Inbred...Big Red..." It takes a certain level of awareness to know that "Tech" is Clarkson and to understand the "inbred" comments. Kudos to the guy at the top of B singing the Addams family stuff.

[quote dto]Now you know why we don't have names on the road jerseys.  Ivy League fans are too cheap to buy programs and thus can't harrass our players. ::nut::

Speaking of harrassment, several of the fans in the student section I was near were upset that you don't have any "special" chants for Clarkson.  I was upset that we don't rate well enough for our own chant.  (Personally, I like "Around the bowl, down the hole, go Brown go." or "Brown's the color of dog @#$%")[/quote]

well we would if Matt Nikerson hadn't gone pro, but alas...even so, I was sort of suprised that syphilis wasn't mention in some capacity, I thought the assumption was that he had spread it to the rest of the team and student body? ;-)

As for the programs, that's really our fault for not printing out a roster in the first place.  I was particuarly dissapointed because it meant that noe one knew which player was Grant Clitsome, thus preventing a 'clitsome got licked' chant from starting.

[quote dto]I was upset that we don't rate well enough for our own chant.[/quote]

George Roll has his own.

THROW YOUR CLIPBOARD

[quote dto]I went to Clarkson 92-96 and never saw Cornell's band up there (or if I did, I got way too drunk at happy hour to remember).  I watched the game from Cheel this year on the internet and I saw some Red fans, but don't recall seeing or hearing a band.[/quote]

I was in the Cornell band from '92-'96 and we made that trip every season (and an extra time in '95 for the ECAC QF series).  That era was great time because both bands partied together often and were excellent musically.  Far and away the best bands in the league.  

Cornell has always treated opposing bands like crap.  I can remember only 2-3 times where they weren't put right on the glass.  While the Lynah ushers are known to be grouches in general, it's about 3x worse towards the visiting band.  It was embarrassing to me, since I knew people in other bands.  I wanted to be a good host to our counterparts, but the band really has no control over that.

To be honest, there are other inhospitable arenas in the league.  A few have tried to impose the "25 instrument limit" rule that's for NCAA tournament games.  Yale has started doing that.  Harvard has usually been accomodating, but tries to keep the band in 2 rows, by the glass.  Clarkson is very accomodating, and gives us seats at the top of the section, ditto St. Lawrence.  Princeton puts us against the wall in the corner, which isn't bad.  RPI is horrible, because even with an empty hangar-sized arena and about 7 empty sections between us and actual people, they force us into the rafters in the furthest section from the ice.  Vermont was always bad too, crammed way down in a corner against the glass.

Oh, and every arena with a DJ that insists on playing Jock Jams over any bands, including their own, can suck it.  Hard.  Brown, Colgate, Union, I'm looking at you.

Ahh yes, I did hear that clipboard chant.  Honestly, I would like to see the names on the backs of the jerseys too... I follow Clarkson hockey, but I don't see every game and I forget the second level players.  Poor Grant, that had to be a tough name to live through high school with.

Clarkson does the jock jams thing during warmups (or they did when I was there) and I hate it.  I could hear that crap on the radio; I'm there for the atmosphere which includes the band (except may Harvard's band, because if I wanted to go to a concert in Potsdam, State has a music school).

Maybe it was toothpaste that didn't bring their band, crap I can't remember now.  I wish today I would have stayed with the band for 4 years, but I worked in a bar, and it's tough to get every Friday and Saturday off.

[quote dto]Then again, Clarkson is an engineering school, so we aren't expected to have good grammar.[/quote]

As an engineer who was a TA for a course about technical writing, that's a real shame.  Part of being a good engineer/scientist is being able to communicate effectively.  For society and schools to say "you don't have to write well because you're an engineer," it's the wrong standard to set.

[quote redhair34][quote dto]Yeah, I was talking hockey with one of the ushers during warmups, and he said he loves how Cornell "puts" the opposite band against the glass.[/quote]


Since a number of people have commented about this I thought I'd throw my two cents in.  I can think of two possible explanations for why the the opposing bands have been pushed down to the glass this year.  When the band stands in the middle of the section it obstructs the view of the high rollers in the box seats.  Or the band doesn't obstruct their view, but athletics just wants to keep the band as far away from the box seats as possible.[/quote]

People standing in a section, other than in the top row, do not obstruct the view from the box.  [Oddly enough, when the top row of the section stands, the first row of the box has to stand and because they did not build in enough height differential between the two rows in the boxes - the ceiling is too low - when the first row of the box stands, the people in the second, top row of the box cannot see, even if they stand.  There have been lots of complaints about that - "Townies Up" means the top row of the boxes have obstructed views - not fun when there's a tight, exciting finish to the game.]

I would suspect that that reason for the seating change for the band is that the seats by the glass in that corner are simply perceived to be less desirable if you want to view the whole ice.

Well that was easily the best first period of the year. From the video feed I could hear that the crowd was somewhat louder than they have been for most games. I don't know if that really helped the fast start, but that combined with the first goal and Cornell played like they smelled blood in the water.

Sawada, Greening and Carefoot continued their great play from the past few games. Add to that players like Milo and Kennedy and Gallagher looking particularly fired up, and you had a Big Red team that was really playing with some confidence. They were continuing that physical play from the 'Gate and Clarkson looked unable to stop Cornell down low. During the second period especially this cycle led to a few PP chances.

As for the referee, I was actually happily surprised to see a game with some flow to it. There was almost, not quite, but almost a penalty free first. Now the penalty on Bitz, while it probably should have been a Clarkson penalty first as captain Bitz should know better than that. That is exactly what the Knights wanted, to get Cornell frustrated enough to take a cheap one and use that to claw back into the game. Luckily, Cornell maintained their big lead and didn't get caught up in that kind of game.

Finally, what was with Leggio? While some of those goals were a result of some hard work and great individual effort he looked like he was in poor position to stop those wrap-arounds. Aside from that he kept the game reasonable, because there were a few saves he probably had no business making.

[quote dto]I watched Scrivens in warmups ... they were right in front of me in section D and my pizza was already in my belly, so I was pretty much bored.  I was not at all impressed with him and I actually thought he was the backup to the backup.  He got really lucky on the rebounds tonight; he didn't get them to the sides in the game.  The Cornell defense outplayed Clarkson in front of the net though (funny, I remember having this exact conversation about Leggio earlier in the season).

This is a great experience for a freshman and I think he'll serve you well in the future, especially if your defense plays like it did last night.  However, you guys really need to get his hat painted.[/quote]

Hat?  ;-)

Scrivens is one of the most improved players on the team.  During the Red/White scrimmage, after Ben fell down and let in a horrible goal, I had a friend turn to me and ask in horror, "is that our goalie now?"  Now he's a good bet to get at least one start every week.  And I completely trust him to start now.

That said, Scrivens scares the crap out of me.  He flops, lunges, and just falls down before the puck is secure way too much for my comfort.  I dunno, maybe that's his style, and maybe it forces the defense to take control of the puck quickly when he's down and out.  For those who remember Andy Bandurski......yeah.

I completely agree with Ari that Davenport is more polished.  He has his weaknesses, but he's calmer and he's better positionally.

Dang, now you're picking on my school.  We actually had a very good technical communications department when I was there, but there definitely wasn't much focus on the "fine art of the English language."  Actually, our equivalent of Literature 101 and 102 was called Great Ideas 1 and 2 and that was the last I remember seeing of literature.

Yeah oceans... we've seen that on quite a few occasions this year with Leggio.  It seems he has great lateral movement when the play is in front of him, but very little on the wraparounds.  With that said, it doesn't seem that Clarkson's defence is interested in controlling the back of the net (I noticed that in the RPI game too).  Cornell's defence did a great job of boxing out Clarkson's forwards and not allowing chances on the long rebounds that Scrivens leaves out.  They helped compensate for their keeper's weakness, it's about time Clarkson's talented D does the same.

[quote redhair34][quote dto]I went to Clarkson 92-96 and never saw Cornell's band up there (or if I did, I got way too drunk at happy hour to remember).  I watched the game from Cheel this year on the internet and I saw some Red fans, but don't recall seeing or hearing a band.[/quote]

The were there.  I'm guessing about one third of the band made the trip?[/quote]

About a dozen people made it as part of an unofficial alumni band. Last year (during the semester) a more sizable contingent made it up North.

The pep band has 51 tickets to home games. Considering that the full marching band typically has 150-200 people, you could say that only one third of the Big Red Bands gets to go to our home games.

yeah i always thought wraparounds were something you did playing Blades of Steel because they almost always resulted in goals (and the AI never controlled the back of the net either)...

i can't think of many times off-hand when a single player has attacked one side, skated around and poked it in on the far side.  i can remember a lot where the player skates around and puts it into the slot right in front for a crashing forward, but no single-handed wraps... kinda crazy.

[quote ebilmes][quote evilnaturedrobot][quote ebilmes]
Cornell had a big win last night--isn't this supposed to be the time on eLynah when we all get along?[/quote]

well Clarkson is the one fanbase, aside from cornell that is, that has a pretty reasonable pressance on elynah, so it makes sense that there would be some contention (which I happen to enjoy, who likes preaching to the choir?)

however, it this case I'd say that most of the Clarkson fans have been pretty respectful and a few of the faithful are overreacting.[/quote]

 I was referring more to the grammar issue. It's expected that our Clarkson posters (with the exception of Drew) get contentious whenever we face each other.[/quote]
ebilmes, I like to give you guys shit every once in awhile. I try not to make it personal.

   Last night, I listened to half the 1st period (since my 5 year old convinced his mother he would sleep over his friends house, in which he lasted until 8:00, then I had to leave the computer, drive in a snowstorm to pick the little crumbsnatcher up! The driving was so horrible it took me forever to get back home,log in and see the game was over and my team lost 5-1 ARGHHHH!) so I couldn't make an educated post or argument on the game. (Not that it stops others).:-P

Ok, so you bastards won, congrats!  I have a funny feeling this was not our last tango this year. We will get after it again, hopefully in Albany, where we can meet in a bar, put faces with the names and really beat the shit out of each other.;-)
Cheers!
Drew

Hahaha!  I'll have your back Drew ... I'm off to work, but to leave the Lynah faithful one last message ... BEAT SLU!!!

[quote Drew][quote ebilmes][quote evilnaturedrobot][quote ebilmes]
Cornell had a big win last night--isn't this supposed to be the time on eLynah when we all get along?[/quote]

well Clarkson is the one fanbase, aside from cornell that is, that has a pretty reasonable pressance on elynah, so it makes sense that there would be some contention (which I happen to enjoy, who likes preaching to the choir?)

however, it this case I'd say that most of the Clarkson fans have been pretty respectful and a few of the faithful are overreacting.[/quote]

 I was referring more to the grammar issue. It's expected that our Clarkson posters (with the exception of Drew) get contentious whenever we face each other.[/quote]
ebilmes, I like to give you guys shit every once in awhile. I try not to make it personal.

   Last night, I only listened to half the 1st period (since my 5 year old convinced his mother he would sleep over his friends house, in which he lasted until 8:00, then I had to leave the computer, drive in a snowstorm to pick the little crumbsnatcher up! The driving was so horrible it took me forever to get back home,log in and see the game was over and my team lost 5-1 ARGHHHH!) so I couldn't make an educated post or argument on the game. (Not that it stops others).:-P

Ok, so you bastards won, congrats!  I have a funny feeling this was not our last tango this year. We will get after it again, hopefully in Albany, where we can meet in a bar, put faces with the names and really beat the shit out of each other.;-)
Cheers!
Drew[/quote]

hey now!  we keep this inside the rink! which meens we'll have to find an isolated corner of the pepsi center to rumble (But if they say blades, I say blades. If they say guns, I say guns.)

then we'll go out for a drink:-D

[quote Drew]
Ok, so you bastards won, congrats!  I have a funny feeling this was not our last tango this year. We will get after it again, hopefully in Albany, where we can meet in a bar, put faces with the names and really beat the shit out of each other.;-)[/quote]

I think you mean "drink each other under the table".

quote jtwcornell91][quote Drew]
Ok, so you bastards won, congrats!  I have a funny feeling this was not our last tango this year. We will get after it again, hopefully in Albany, where we can meet in a bar, put faces with the names and really beat the shit out of each other.;-)[/quote]

I think you mean "drink each other under the table".[/quote]

Yes, all in good fun.::drunk::

[quote Drew]

Ok, so you bastards won, congrats!  I have a funny feeling this was not our last tango this year. We will get after it again, hopefully in Albany, where we can meet in a bar, put faces with the names and really beat the shit out of each other.;-)
Cheers!
Drew[/quote]

I hope to go to Albany but can be there only on Friday.

If you guys want to "beat the shit" out of me, go for it.  But you gotta pay my bar tab first. :-D

Agreed.

I find it perplexing that Tech could come out flat or bring less than their "A" game in any game vs Cornell.

Thought I saw a post last night on this, or another thread in which a fan commented that Schafer's team always seems to stifle Clarkson's offense or suck the life out of them.  Credit to him to know the style that is effective against Clarkson and credit to his players for executing the game plan.

I saw it first hand in the 2nd playoff game last March and it sounds like they did much the same last night, with the exception that Leggio wasn't able to stand on his head last night.

Hope to see you guys in Albany!

Hey all,

To start, congrats on the win.  We got outplayed and outworked, most disappointing.  Leggio was spotty at best, but definitely his worst outing of the year in my opinion.  Those wrap-arounds were enough to make me heave.

To answer the band question: Arenas in the ECAC have the option of limiting visiting bands to 25 instruments.  When we're at home, we typically have 60+ stuffed into Section 17.  No, we don't choose where we sit.  If we did, we'd be above the glass to get better projection.  And saying we're worse than Colgate's band, well that's just laughable and if you were at Starr on Saturday you'd know.  Colgate was kind enough to allow us 35 or so instruments inside and give us a section to ourselves.

I think someone else had a question that I was going to answer, but at this point I don't remember and I've got no intention of rereading 150 posts to find it.  Whoever made the West Side Story blades/guns reference, very nice, I laughed.  I hope we don't see you in the playoffs.  I'm tired of losing those games.  Good night.