http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?2007/ecac.cgimain
http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?2007/ecac.nutshell
Have at it, people!
Also accessible off the TBRW homepage. John totally rocks. ::banana::
If you're more of a do-it-yourself person, here's a what-iffer where you can put in your own expected game results and see how the season would turn up.
http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4
[quote daredevilcu]If you're more of a do-it-yourself person, here's a what-iffer where you can put in your own expected game results and see how the season would turn up.
http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4[/quote]
You mean like this (http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2007/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) (which also implements the tiebreakers)?
Y'know -- I'm trying to WORK here!
Come on...surely you've heard that "work is over-rated." :-D
Hey, my teaching day is through. I get to go watch wrestling now.
I just wanted to toss another one out there, I find the siouxsports one easier to navigate than TBRW. Nothing wrong with TBRW if you know your way around, but siouxsports also implements tiebreakers, I believe.
[quote daredevilcu]If you're more of a do-it-yourself person, here's a what-iffer where you can put in your own expected game results and see how the season would turn up. http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4[/quote]
... accessing the site from dartmouth.edu domains gets you a reprimand from the Judicial Administrator and you'll be picking up community service trash from Hanover highways during Winter Carnival weekend. Not what you want to be picking up then.
[quote daredevilcu]I just wanted to toss another one out there, I find the siouxsports one easier to navigate than TBRW.[/quote]
You phrased it in a way that implied the TBRW/slack one didn't let you put in the results of future games, so I wanted to set the record straight.
QuoteNothing wrong with TBRW if you know your way around, but siouxsports also implements tiebreakers, I believe.
It doesn't seem to go beyond head-to-head. Put in Cornell losing to Clarkson and Colgate beating SLU, and the teams are tied for 4th place. Since they split the season series, the first tiebreaker is record vs the top 4 (top 3--above the tie in this case). Cornell would be 0-3-1 and Colgate 1-2-1, but the siouxsports standings calculator lists Cornell ahead of Colgate.
Really, I'd be surprised if it implemented the ECAC tiebreakers, since they have calculators for all six leagues, and nobody else has the ECAC's tiebreaker system. Also, they obviously don't go down to the net goals tiebreakers, since they don't ask you for the scores of hypothetical games.
It is nice having the games sorted by team, but I don't know how you'd make that consistent without being JavaScript-dependent like they are.
[quote daredevilcu]I just wanted to toss another one out there, I find the siouxsports one easier to navigate than TBRW. Nothing wrong with TBRW if you know your way around, but siouxsports also implements tiebreakers, I believe.[/quote]
I am all for navigation suggestions. The site architecture has grown up, how shall I put this?, organically.
[quote Trotsky][quote daredevilcu]I just wanted to toss another one out there, I find the siouxsports one easier to navigate than TBRW. Nothing wrong with TBRW if you know your way around, but siouxsports also implements tiebreakers, I believe.[/quote]
I am all for navigation suggestions. The site architecture has grown up, how shall I put this?, organically.[/quote]
Well, since the invitation is there, I'd love to help out. Personally, I've been frustrated at times with the organization of stuff when I'm trying to find something specific. The wealth of the information is mighty, and I don't want that to change one bit.
I have two big complaints:
1) Basic organization. Finding the right "bins" to make information intuitive to find. The buttons for "history" "players" and "games" seem to be so cross-pollenated, I never know what's where. (Examples: a list of all Cornell-Harvard post-season games is located under History->Cornell, while a list of landmark games covering CU's history is under Games. The Uniform # list isn't under "Players" but "History --> Cornell.")
2) I hate frames. Please...stop the madness. Give us back our address bar.
The site architecture/organization that I really liked (and still use unbelievably): Keith's old unofficial site. The remnants of which can be found here:
http://www.elynah.com/news/
Most of the site map is broken due to things trying to link to hockey.cornell.edu instead of elynah.com. Specifically, I really liked the way Keith laid out his history section:
http://www.elynah.com/news/History/
On Keith's old site, if I want to see a roster, stats, or schedule for a particular year, I knew to go to "history --> year." On TBRW, on the other hand, it's very nebulous. History? Games? Players? I usually just go to the index and squint a lot. Or for seasons since '99, I use USCHO's past-years roster/schedules, and even those are several clicks deep.
Just beginning suggestions. Really, the CU Hockey community as a whole can't thank you enough for the work you've done in sheer data collection.
A follow on to Rich's suggestion: I think it's helpful to have data reachable from a number of logical paths. Want data for 1996? Go to a page indexing 1996 data. Want the 1996 schedule and results? You can get there from the 1996 index or following a link from the schedule index which lists all years with final records. Want an individual player's stats? Go to a general index of player's names or to a roster for a year when he played or a stats summary for a year that he played. Ideally you want to allow someone to reach the data following any logical path.
Now implementing this can be maddening, especially if you're doing it manually and not with a database. Lord knows keeping things consistent was hard enough when I was maintaining my site.
Keith
P.S. Thanks Rich for pointing out what broke the links. To be honest I never put in the minimal effort required to find the mistake since I'd already given it up by the time it moved to elynah.com. Maybe someday I'll pester Age to let me fix it. (Maybe when we're both 70...)