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General Category => Hockey => Topic started by: ithacat on December 18, 2006, 08:41:12 PM

Title: Garman
Post by: ithacat on December 18, 2006, 08:41:12 PM
A goalie is the first recruit for 2008. He's playing for whom?

http://bigredpuckhead.blogspot.com/

I see this is in another thread...sorry.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: calgARI '07 on December 18, 2006, 08:45:13 PM
It is likely that DiLeo's days are numbered.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: ithacat on December 18, 2006, 08:48:34 PM
Wondering that as well. He is coming in in 2008 though -- DiLeo & Davenport will be in their last year.
Title: Re: Ignore
Post by: ebilmes on December 18, 2006, 08:52:00 PM
Or maybe Davenport will have turned pro by then...
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: Beeeej on December 18, 2006, 09:49:43 PM
The Clippers release says "the 2008 season."  So will his arrival be during calendar year 2008, or for the 2007-08 academic year, which is the way we typically refer to the "2008 season"?  It's a little unusual (though I admit not unheard of) for someone to commit a year and a half in advance to an Ivy.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: pfibiger on December 18, 2006, 10:19:02 PM
[quote Beeeej]The Clippers release says "the 2008 season."  So will his arrival be during calendar year 2008, or for the 2007-08 academic year, which is the way we typically refer to the "2008 season"?  It's a little unusual (though I admit not unheard of) for someone to commit a year and a half in advance to an Ivy.[/quote]

Beeeej,

Garman's commitment is almost certainly for 2008-2009, the recruits coming next year (the Devins, Patrick Kennedy) are all referred to as 2007. With Michigan and Wisconsin recieving commitments for the recruiting class of 2010 six months to a year ago, the Ivies are barely staying in the game :) The Devins both committed last year, so they were a year and a half ahead like Garman is. As an '87 he's older than Blake Gallagher and Tony Romano, so he'll have all of his pre-college requirements taken care of. I imagine that like the Devins, he'll be accepted and then defer admission for a year.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: Beeeej on December 18, 2006, 10:28:45 PM
Fair enough, thanks!
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: ithacat on December 18, 2006, 10:30:34 PM
[quote Beeeej]The Clippers release says "the 2008 season."  So will his arrival be during calendar year 2008, or for the 2007-08 academic year, which is the way we typically refer to the "2008 season"?  It's a little unusual (though I admit not unheard of) for someone to commit a year and a half in advance to an Ivy.[/quote]

In the release the Coach says Garman will be returning to Nanaimo for his final year of junior (07-08), so that would make it the 08-09 academic year. The Devin's committed in late January last year, so it may be becoming less unusual.

It would be tougher for the Ivies to get verbals from kids who are still sophs and jrs in high school, which seems to be the rage right now.
Title: Re: Ignore
Post by: Dpperk29 on December 18, 2006, 11:22:00 PM
or quit on his team...
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: Trotsky on December 19, 2006, 11:21:07 AM
[quote pfibiger]The Devins both committed last year, so they were a year and a half ahead like Garman is.[/quote]

IIRC, both Glover and Mugford committed 1.5 years in advance, although with Mugford it might have been a subsequent decision to get another year of seasoning before stepping up to D-1.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: calgARI '07 on December 19, 2006, 11:37:26 AM
[quote Trotsky][quote pfibiger]The Devins both committed last year, so they were a year and a half ahead like Garman is.[/quote]

IIRC, both Glover and Mugford committed 1.5 years in advance, although with Mugford it might have been a subsequent decision to get another year of seasoning before stepping up to D-1.[/quote]

McLeod too.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: billhoward on December 19, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
How much guidance can Schafer give someone a year and a half before actual enrollment as to whether they're going to get in? Even if there's some latitude for students with exceptional promise in athletics, there must be some people who slacked off and didn't get accepted.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: pfibiger on December 19, 2006, 02:30:14 PM
[quote billhoward]How much guidance can Schafer give someone a year and a half before actual enrollment as to whether they're going to get in? Even if there's some latitude for students with exceptional promise in athletics, there must be some people who slacked off and didn't get accepted.[/quote]

Bill, even though he's a year and a half out, he's a senior or already a year out of high school and probably taking some college courses. I imagine that Schafer has a complete academic picture (HS grades, SATs, etc) and Garman will probably apply to Cornell for next year, and then defer admission for a year. This is not Michigan getting commitments from 14 year old kids, when these kids are a year and a half out they're still college-ready.

While there have certainly been reports of Cornell expressing interest in hockey players only to see their grades and then wish them well on their college hunt, there haven't been any recent examples of kids committing to Cornell only to find they can't get through admissions. I think that Schafer has a good relationship with the admissions dept, and knows exactly what it's going to take to get a kid in.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: KeithK on December 19, 2006, 02:35:22 PM
[quote billhoward]How much guidance can Schafer give someone a year and a half before actual enrollment as to whether they're going to get in? Even if there's some latitude for students with exceptional promise in athletics, there must be some people who slacked off and didn't get accepted.[/quote]As pfibiger suggested, he'll probably apply this year and defer admission.
Title: Re: A bit of a surprise...
Post by: Trotsky on December 19, 2006, 02:43:14 PM
[quote pfibiger]While there have certainly been reports of Cornell expressing interest in hockey players only to see their grades and then wish them well on their college hunt, there haven't been any recent examples of kids committing to Cornell only to find they can't get through admissions. I think that Schafer has a good relationship with the admissions dept, and knows exactly what it's going to take to get a kid in.[/quote]

There used to be rampant rumors about players turned away by Cornell admissions only to turn up on the academically pristine ice of Cambridge or New Haven.  Granted, rumors... Colgate turned down Ivy membership.  But whatever the truth of those claims, they've stopped, and Schafer seems to have a good nose for politics and the pragmatic solution.  Every coach since Ned has noted the need for an improvement of the Lynah facilities, but Schafer got the deal done.  That was almost certainly a difficult political exercise.
Title: Re: Garman
Post by: ohwangutan on December 20, 2006, 12:00:26 PM
Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but is there a reason why we get so many players from the Nanaimo Clippers (other than they're good)?  Is Schaf like best friends with the coach there or something?!?
Title: Re: Garman
Post by: pfibiger on December 20, 2006, 12:31:12 PM
[quote ohwangutan]Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but is there a reason why we get so many players from the Nanaimo Clippers (other than they're good)?  Is Schaf like best friends with the coach there or something?!?[/quote]

Craig Buckser says "I am firmly convinced that Brooke Bestwick was the star hockey recruit for the class of 2003," and I totally agree. Her father is the head coach / general manager of the Nanaimo Clippers, and after she came to Cornell to play women's hockey, the pipeline started (with Greg Hornby). I imagine that he came to visit a fair amount, got a feel for the men's program, and got to know Schafer. Clearly he trusts Schafer to take care of kids he's found/groomed, and similarly Schafer knows that he can send kids there for a year to play competitive hockey and learn to play a style of hockey he knows/trusts.