If this is true that CSTV won't accept Canadian credit cards, perhaps eLynah could set up a fund to sponsor access for the players' parents. We've chipped in money to help the band go to distant venues when Cornell didn't have the money. Seems like it would be equally worthy to fund access for player parents.
One presumes the parents have found some way around this, such as their kids at Cornell have US of A credit cards and the All-Access fee goes on that card. Have they?
Although, sheesh, why are parents paying at all? When cable TV came to America's cities and towns in the 1960s through 1980s, every burg and hamlet held up the cable companies for free access for government buildings, nursing homes, and schools as a condition of getting the contract. (That and hiring the mayor's brother to oversee the initial rollout.) Seems as if Cornell could have done same for the athletics department and for the teams.
On a separate thread, Jim Hyla quotes the athletic director http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,102216,102257#msg-102257 asking rhetorically, "You think we control this?" Presuming nobody at CSTV pointed a gun at Andy Noel and said Andy's signature or brains would be on the contract, pick one, then, yes, he controlled the terms and conditions. Or his designee. Maybe now he regrets what seemed like minor gray areas in the contract.
Mr. Noel: Do you remember what the sign said on Harry Truman's desk?
[quote billhoward]
Mr. Noel: Do you remember what the sign said on Harry Truman's desk?[/quote]
I wonder if he knows who Harry Truman was.
Maybe it's time to lay off Andy Noel? http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?7,102270
are there actually parents who cant get the feed out there? there are several ways around this that are much simplier than using credit cards..
Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]You're probably right, and this is totally the kind of thing the NCAA would make an example of, while allowing Reggie Bush's financial benefits to slide.
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]I agree that there would be a potential violation here if fans provided services to player families. On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back? There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.
Naturally it would be best to get an NCAA/program ruling on this before doing so.
[quote KeithK]On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back? There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.[/quote]I should leave this one for Hillel or Dart~Ben, but I'm going to say ... violation.
[quote ugarte][quote KeithK]On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back? There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.[/quote]I should leave this one for Hillel or Dart~Ben, but I'm going to say ... violation.[/quote]OK, what if you offered to provide account access to any Cornell student or family who agreed to pay you back?
[quote KeithK][quote ugarte][quote KeithK]On the other hand, would that be the case if you simply provided the mechanism for the establishing the CSTV account (credit card) and the family paid you back? There's a service involved, but it's not monetary and pretty nominal.[/quote]I should leave this one for Hillel or Dart~Ben, but I'm going to say ... violation.[/quote]OK, what if you offered to provide account access to any Cornell student or family who agreed to pay you back?[/quote]
Or specifically any from Canada or elsewhere without a US billing address. (There's a Union foreign student aid reference in there somewhere...)
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian [EDIT: reader] picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.
[quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I was waiting to see which observant reader picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]Fixed.
[quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]
I don't know if UrsaMinor is a Cornellian but I think he is first an Engineer (RIP) at heart.
[quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I think we could make the argument that there is nothing of value in the gift of an All Ech-cess ::yark:: subscription for the families.
[quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]I think we should go ahead with this plan and then simply file for an injunction against the NCAA for arbitrarily enforcing their own rules (see Reggie Bush). It's breach of contract! :-D
[quote marty][quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]
I don't know if UrsaMinor is a Cornellian but I think he is first an Engineer (RIP) at heart.[/quote] Recently, I had a sex-change operation and became ursusminor. ::banana::
I am RPI alum (three times) and have no connection to Cornell with the exception of once dating a Cornellian while I was at RPI. (Yes, she was female. :-P )
[quote ursusminor][quote marty][quote billhoward][quote ursusminor]Not that I wouldn't mind there being a Cornell hockey scandal, but would this be legal by NCAA standards? You would be giving something of value to NCAA athletes and/or their families. I assume that you would be regarded as representatives of the University. I have been told that I am considered a representative of RPI purely due to the few dollars that I pay yearly to join the booster club.[/quote]
I was waiting to see which observant Cornellian picked up on the potential violation issue. You win. If Cornell gets its wrist slapped for letting parents watch their son play for free, then they don't have to go after things like the house USC's Reggie Bush got free for his parents. Allegedly got free for his parents. Sorry.[/quote]
I don't know if UrsaMinor is a Cornellian but I think he is first an Engineer (RIP) at heart.[/quote] Recently, I had a sex-change operation and became ursusminor. ::banana::
I am RPI alum (three times) and have no connection to Cornell with the exception of once dating a Cornellian while I was at RPI. (Yes, she was female. :-P )[/quote]
This assumes that reading E-Lynah more than once a day equates with no connection to Cornell.
[quote ursusminor]
I am RPI alum (three times) and have no connection to Cornell with the exception of once dating a Cornellian while I was at RPI. (Yes, she was female. :-P )[/quote]
What? She couldn't find enough dorky guys at Cornell to date? ::help:: :)
So... has someone actually heard from players' parents that this is a problem? Borrowing a little bit of money from someone else shouldn't be that difficult (and that's not even considering the fact that most of the players probably have US credit cards), so I imagine if this problem did exist, parents have probably already figured out ways around it.
Without knowing if this is actually a problem (and I suspect it isn't), this conversation is pretty pointless, no?
[quote las224]Without knowing if this is actually a problem (and I suspect it isn't), this conversation is pretty pointless, no?[/quote]It's the eLynah Forum. Of course, the discussion is pointless!
[quote las224]So... has someone actually heard from players' parents that this is a problem? Borrowing a little bit of money from someone else shouldn't be that difficult (and that's not even considering the fact that most of the players probably have US credit cards), so I imagine if this problem did exist, parents have probably already figured out ways around it.
Without knowing if this is actually a problem (and I suspect it isn't), this conversation is pretty pointless, no?[/quote]Well, let's consider it a problem since the hockey office mentioned it, and the hockey association is holding back their donation, at least parially due to this. You may not have read the other thread where I previously posted this and which then got Bill to start this thread. I doubt that they haven't figured out a way around this, but it does speak to the poor service from CSTV. Afterall, if you hear once that someone from Canada wants to sign up for your hockey service, it should ring some marketing bells in your company, thus leading to a fix. Oh well.
[quote KeithK][quote las224]Without knowing if this is actually a problem (and I suspect it isn't), this conversation is pretty pointless, no?[/quote]It's the eLynah Forum. Of course, the discussion is pointless![/quote]
Like Seinfeld. And nearly as popular.
[quote Jim Hyla]
Afterall, if you hear once that someone from Canada wants to sign up for your hockey service, it should ring some marketing bells in your company, thus leading to a fix. Oh well.[/quote]
Unfortunately, I doubt they think of themselves as a hockey service.