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Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 14, 2022 11:56AM

2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
Date        Opponent
Sep17 130   @VMI 130pm per VMI
Sep24       Yale (Homecoming) 
Oct01       @Colgate (which opens at Stanford) 
Oct07       Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15       Lehigh
Oct22       @Brown 
Oct29       @Princeton
Nov05       Penn
Nov12       Dartmouth
Nov19       @Columbia

247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: June 14, 2022 08:06PM

billhoward
2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
Date        Opponent
Sep17 130   @VMI 130pm per VMI
Sep24       Yale (Homecoming) 
Oct01       @Colgate (which opens at Stanford) 
Oct07       Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15       Lehigh
Oct22       @Brown 
Oct29       @Princeton
Nov05       Penn
Nov12       Dartmouth
Nov19       @Columbia

247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

“Never heard of any of these guys”
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 14, 2022 09:19PM

CU2007
“Never heard of any of these guys”

This guy here is dead.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2022 01:05PM

2022 Recruiting Class of 2026

[cornellbigred.com]
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: June 15, 2022 05:41PM

Ken711
2022 Recruiting Class of 2026

[cornellbigred.com]

No biographical info included, which is sort of weak.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: June 15, 2022 08:26PM

billhoward
2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
Date        Opponent
Sep17 130   @VMI 130pm per VMI
Sep24       Yale (Homecoming) 
Oct01       @Colgate (which opens at Stanford) 
Oct07       Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15       Lehigh
Oct22       @Brown 
Oct29       @Princeton
Nov05       Penn
Nov12       Dartmouth
Nov19       @Columbia

247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

Colgate was one of the two teams that Cornell beat last season and they’re opening at Stanford! Their team must be vastly improved or their AD and coaches are masochists. Cornell played Stanford in 1991 and lost 56-6. I’m not optimistic about beating the Red Raiders this year.
.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 15, 2022 11:30PM

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
The Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.

But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. cry
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/15/2022 11:30PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 16, 2022 07:39AM

Swampy
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
The Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.

But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. cry

That most likely won't happen until the new Cornell AD replaces Archer.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 16, 2022 12:23PM

Ken711
Swampy
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
The Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.

But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. cry

That most likely won't happen until the new Cornell AD replaces Archer.

Perhaps the reason for not including biographical information in the announcement is that Archer is too busy revising his resume.

Also he presents an interesting contrast regarding AN's proclivity for replacing head coaches with recent graduates:
  • In the case of Connor Buczek & Jordan Stevens, after one season it now appears everyone will live happily ever after.
  • In the case of Ben DeLuca, it ended unfortunately, but in terms of W's & L's, he was a successful coach at Cornell.But after his firing, it took him 10 years to remake himself into a successful head coach.
  • But what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2022 12:24PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 16, 2022 01:55PM

Swampy
Ken711
Swampy
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2022/6/15/big-red-football-announces-class-of-2026.aspx
The Class of 2026, featuring 25 members, will hit campus this fall looking to help Cornell to its first Ivy title on the gridiron since 1990.

But fans would be happy just to have the first winning season since 2005. cry

That most likely won't happen until the new Cornell AD replaces Archer.

Perhaps the reason for not including biographical information in the announcement is that Archer is too busy revising his resume.

Also he presents an interesting contrast regarding AN's proclivity for replacing head coaches with recent graduates:
  • In the case of Connor Buczek & Jordan Stevens, after one season it now appears everyone will live happily ever after.
  • In the case of Ben DeLuca, it ended unfortunately, but in terms of W's & L's, he was a successful coach at Cornell.But after his firing, it took him 10 years to remake himself into a successful head coach.
  • But what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.

My guess is Archer either ends up as a HC at a lower level like Division 3, or accepts an assistant coach position on an FCS program's staff somewhere.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: June 16, 2022 01:57PM

Swampy
But what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.

After his graduation, Archer taught fourth and eigth grades as part of the Teach For America program. He might make an excellent teacher. Good ones are in short supply.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 17, 2022 12:23AM

George64
Swampy
But what happens when an alum coach is a total failure but for over ten years has been out of the job market for graduates in the field they studied? They're not competitive elsewhere as a coach, but neither are they competitive any longer in their academic field. No happy ending here.

After his graduation, Archer taught fourth and eigth grades as part of the Teach For America program. He might make an excellent teacher. Good ones are in short supply.

I didn't know this. K-12 teaching is one field where demand is so much greater than supply that being out of the profession for a time may have little impact on one's prospects.

There's also a subtle gender element in that almost 75% of K-12 teachers are women, who themselves often absent themselves from the labor market to bear and care for their own children. In the corporate world this has major detrimental impacts, and one suspects it's also true in K-12 education, if for no other reason than there's some movement between K-12 teaching and corporate jobs. But because women dominate the profession, such employment gaps may be the norm among teachers. If Archer, who has been out of teaching for some time, is well suited for teaching, an occupation where such gaps are common, his sojourn as a college football coach might have minimal impact on his job prospects as a teacher.

He might make a great high-school teacher & football coach. I wish him success and happiness wherever his career takes him.

Then again, lots of great football coaches, from Bob Blackman to George Seifert, have tried to MCFGA (Make Cornell Football Great Again) and failed. So, maybe Coach Archer will get a second chance as a professional football coach and go on to win multiple Super Bowls and division championships too. Good luck to him!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2022 01:32AM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: June 17, 2022 10:43AM

Swampy

He might make a great high-school teacher & football coach. I wish him success and happiness wherever his career takes him.

Then again, lots of great football coaches, from Bob Blackman to George Seifert, have tried to MCFGA (Make Cornell Football Great Again) and failed. So, maybe Coach Archer will get a second chance as a professional football coach and go on to win multiple Super Bowls and division championships too. Good luck to him!

For sure, Seifert had a terrible record (3 and 15) in his two years at Cornell, but I’ve always thought that he was let go because Bob Blackman became available. Blackman was extraordinarily successful at Dartmouth, but less so at Illinois. On the Hill, the two coaches were 26-48-1, pretty impressive by today’s standards.
.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: June 17, 2022 12:02PM

If Archer does return to teaching, as a third-year teacher he will be taking a huge pay cut from his current salary. But he's still the Cornell football coach, isn't he?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2022 12:05PM by dbilmes.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 17, 2022 01:21PM

dbilmes
If Archer does return to teaching, as a third-year teacher he will be taking a huge pay cut from his current salary. But he's still the Cornell football coach, isn't he?

Indeed he is. Unless by some miracle he finishes with a winning record in this, his 10th year of trying, then its see ya.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: June 18, 2022 10:52AM

scoop85
Ken711
2022 Recruiting Class of 2026

[cornellbigred.com]

No biographical info included, which is sort of weak.

There’s probably not much to say given the quality of players we’ve been getting of late
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CAS (---.sub-174-206-235.myvzw.com)
Date: August 08, 2022 12:48PM

Media poll has Cornell last again. Cornell release proudly states the Red outperformed expectations last year (when finished tied for last & went 1-6 in Ivies). Stop the insanity!
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2022 02:42PM

CAS
Media poll has Cornell last again. Cornell release proudly states the Red outperformed expectations last year (when finished tied for last & went 1-6 in Ivies). Stop the insanity!

Please put an end to this Archer tenure. Here's hoping the new AD will finally act on this.


 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 08, 2022 03:06PM

CAS
Media poll has Cornell last again. Cornell release proudly states the Red outperformed expectations last year (when finished tied for last & went 1-6 in Ivies). Stop the insanity!

According Noel’s retirement plan, he will serve as AD through the end of the 2021-22 academic year and into 2022-23 until a successor is named. A national search was to begin late this summer — that would be now.

I assume that we’ll have a new coach for 2023, but it will take years to right the ship. We haven’t had a winning season since 2005. Some of our entering freshman hadn’t yet been born. President Pollack went to Dartmouth, so she should know that academics and a decent football team are not mutually exclusive.
.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: August 08, 2022 03:25PM

…and was provost at the University of Michigan,
where they seem to care about football.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2022 04:52PM

2021 Ivy League Football Standings

Dartmouth.. 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Princeton.... 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Harvard...... 5-2 -- (Overall 8-2)
Columbia.... 4-3 -- (Overall 7-3)
Yale........... 4-3 -- (Overall 5-5)
Penn.......... 1-6 -- (Overall 3-7)
Brown........ 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
Cornell....... 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)


The Cornell athletic media considers last year's record of tying for last "an improvement", versus occupying last place all by themselves, even though Cornell was picked last in the 2021 media pre-season poll. :-D
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: August 08, 2022 08:55PM

Ken711
2021 Ivy League Football Standings

Dartmouth.. 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Princeton.... 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Harvard...... 5-2 -- (Overall 8-2)
Columbia.... 4-3 -- (Overall 7-3)
Yale........... 4-3 -- (Overall 5-5)
Penn.......... 1-6 -- (Overall 3-7)
Brown........ 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
Cornell....... 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)


The Cornell athletic media considers last year's record of tying for last "an improvement", versus occupying last place all by themselves, even though Cornell was picked last in the 2021 media pre-season poll. :-D

Could take it a step further and say we tied for 6th!
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2022 09:05PM

CU2007
Ken711
2021 Ivy League Football Standings

Dartmouth.. 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Princeton.... 6-1 -- (Overall 9-1)
Harvard...... 5-2 -- (Overall 8-2)
Columbia.... 4-3 -- (Overall 7-3)
Yale........... 4-3 -- (Overall 5-5)
Penn.......... 1-6 -- (Overall 3-7)
Brown........ 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)
Cornell....... 1-6 -- (Overall 2-8)


The Cornell athletic media considers last year's record of tying for last "an improvement", versus occupying last place all by themselves, even though Cornell was picked last in the 2021 media pre-season poll. :-D

Could take it a step further and say we tied for 6th!

That's exactly how they were worded it. Cornell's past record doesn't give the Cornell SID much to work with. :)

The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in six of the last seven seasons, including in 2021 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 10, 2022 09:24AM

Ken711
That's exactly how they were worded it. Cornell's past record doesn't give the Cornell SID much to work with. :)

The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in six of the last seven seasons, including in 2021 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth.


[www.youtube.com]
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 10, 2022 10:26AM

Trotsky
Ken711
That's exactly how they were worded it. Cornell's past record doesn't give the Cornell SID much to work with. :)

The Big Red has surpassed its preseason predicted finish in six of the last seven seasons, including in 2021 when it was picked to place eighth only to tie for sixth.


[www.youtube.com]


 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.243.---)
Date: August 15, 2022 11:32PM

George64
billhoward
2022 Cornell Big Red football schedule. Incredibly, Cornell hasn't formally published game times as of mid-June.
Date        Opponent
Sep17 130   @VMI 130pm per VMI
Sep24       Yale (Homecoming) 
Oct01       @Colgate (which opens at Stanford) 
Oct07       Harvard (Friday night lights)
Oct15       Lehigh
Oct22       @Brown 
Oct29       @Princeton
Nov05       Penn
Nov12       Dartmouth
Nov19       @Columbia

247 Sports ranks 2022 Ivy football teams by recruiting as 1 Princeton, 2 Harvard, 3 Yale, 4 Penn as of 6/13/22 and puts an N/A for rankings of Columbia, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

Colgate was one of the two teams that Cornell beat last season and they’re opening at Stanford! Their team must be vastly improved or their AD and coaches are masochists. Cornell played Stanford in 1991 and lost 56-6. I’m not optimistic about beating the Red Raiders this year.
.

IIRC Stanford had another OOC opponent cancel (I want to say UVA) and had to scramble to fill that spot. Certainly not the most thrilling opponent to open Stanford's season.

 
___________________________
03/23/02: Maine 4, Harvard 3
03/28/03: BU 6, Harvard 4
03/26/04: Maine 5, Harvard 4
03/26/05: UNH 3, Harvard 2
03/25/06: Maine 6, Harvard 1
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: August 29, 2022 01:54PM

Best thing the football team has done in years....


[www.instagram.com]
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: wolcoma (8.9.86.---)
Date: August 29, 2022 07:02PM

The reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza. I am cutting back on all giving to Cornell until that lady is in the unemployment line. I am guessing Cornell football this season will be lucky to win one or two games at the most. Once beautiful Schoellkopf Field is now the ugliest stadium in the Ivy League. I hate to admit, but why would any recruit want to play for this football program?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 29, 2022 07:29PM

wolcoma
The reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell.
Tell us about any conversations you have had with Pollack that have caused you to draw this conclusion.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 29, 2022 08:06PM

wolcoma
The reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza.

The Cornell University Master Plan that envisions the Game Farm Road athletic complex is dated 2015. Martha Pollack assumed office in April 2017. The Reis Tennis Center on Pine Tree Road was built in 1993. The train left the station a long time ago.
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Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: August 29, 2022 10:36PM

George64
wolcoma
The reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza.

The Cornell University Master Plan that envisions the Game Farm Road athletic complex is dated 2015. Martha Pollack assumed office in April 2017. The Reis Tennis Center on Pine Tree Road was built in 1993. The train left the station a long time ago.
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The 2008 master plan called for the removal and relocation of Hoy Field,and the Grumman Squash Courts. [masterplan.cornell.edu]
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Scersk '97 (38.81.106.---)
Date: August 30, 2022 09:29AM

George64
wolcoma
The reality is President Martha Pollack hates athletics at Cornell. She is currently running many of our sports teams off campus to East Hill Plaza.

The Cornell University Master Plan that envisions the Game Farm Road athletic complex is dated 2015. Martha Pollack assumed office in April 2017. The Reis Tennis Center on Pine Tree Road was built in 1993. The train left the station a long time ago.

As long as they don't close Lynah or let the Crescent crumble for real, I'm fine. Campus has got to densify. And I prefer new buildings to poor renovations of or ugly carbuncles added to older ones.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 12:05PM

The three most important aspects that will improve the football program:

1. Make the right hire for the next athletic director who will see and act on the current and prior (dating back to the early 1990's) awful state of the Cornell football program.

2. Hire a PROVEN head coach with a track record of winning success.

3. Follow through with the building of the indoor practice facility currently in the design phase as soon as possible.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 12:27PM

See above
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2022 12:29PM by Ken711.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 01:11PM

Scersk '97
As long as they don't close Lynah or let the Crescent crumble for real, I'm fine. Campus has got to densify. And I prefer new buildings to poor renovations of or ugly carbuncles added to older ones.
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.

The campus could get more classroom, lab and office space with fewer buildings going taller. And/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.

Add-ons to buildings may be carbuncles or not, and they often work well. (The I.M. Pei pyramid added to the Louvre in the 1980s.) The Klarman Hall add-on to Goldwin Smith on the arts quad is fine and more importantly, the large open spaces are what so many students use for studying and being only between classes or while hanging out. I still think the North Campus nine dorms built circa 1970 were overwhelming doubles not singles in the suites at a time when boomer kids had likely grown up not sharing bedrooms.

 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 01:37PM

billhoward
And/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.

....

The Klarman Hall add-on to Goldwin Smith on the arts quad is fine....

Hard disagree on both points.

 
___________________________
"Mark Mazzoleni looks like a guy whose dog just died out there..."
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 01:47PM

billhoward
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
Is this new? What do they do at graduation - in 2019 the crescent was packed for graduation.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 30, 2022 02:27PM

billhoward
And/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.

No!!! Are you just being contrarious?
.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2022 02:36PM by George64.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Weder (136.226.50.---)
Date: August 30, 2022 02:41PM

George64
billhoward
And/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.

No!!! Are you just being contrarious?
.

IIRC, the campus master plan marks that area as part of an "important view" corridor. I doubt they'd want anything tall competing with the view of McGraw Tower as you're going west on Tower Road.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 30, 2022 03:29PM

Weder
George64
billhoward
And/or replacing low, small buildings: the ADW White House and Big Red Barn could be donor sites.

No!!! Are you just being contrarious?
.

IIRC, the campus master plan marks that area as part of an "important view" corridor. I doubt they'd want anything tall competing with the view of McGraw Tower as you're going west on Tower Road.

Moreover, it was home to AD White and other university presidents, and the last vestige of the faculty row. Before it housed the Society for the Humanities, it was the White Art Museum.
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Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 30, 2022 04:29PM

nshapiro
billhoward
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
Is this new? What do they do at graduation - in 2019 the crescent was packed for graduation.

I think Bill’s being ironic again.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: wolcoma (192.92.157.---)
Date: August 30, 2022 05:25PM

That's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: marty (199.217.105.---)
Date: August 30, 2022 05:53PM

billhoward
Scersk '97
As long as they don't close Lynah or let the Crescent crumble for real, I'm fine. Campus has got to densify. And I prefer new buildings to poor renovations of or ugly carbuncles added to older ones.
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired...
...I still think the North Campus nine dorms built circa 1970 were overwhelming doubles not singles in the suites at a time when boomer kids had likely grown up not sharing bedrooms.

?
I'm lost here Bill. Is your point that not all new building is wonderful? I'd rather point to the concentric hallway maze known as Uris. But I'm not sure what you're aiming at.

(I did junior year in North Campus 5 - assuming that's the dorm group you are speaking of - and it was fine. Two doubles and two singles in a suite. My roommate was great and without his encouragement I might have given up pursuing my wife. 47 years later it was the best advice I can remember from a fellow class of '74 member.

The second most memorable night that year was during fall finals week when Max Jones of basketball transfer fame decided to pull an all nighter. He blared his stereo in his single in an attempt to keep himself awake. The other two in a double were EE's. One held the circuit breaker for the room while the other shorted the electricity thus knocking out the circuit breaker for the suite. And thanks to having made a master key for the building they were able to power us back up in the morning. Thankfully my internal clock woke me for my final because my alarm clock was electric. I think the EE that used his time with projects such as master key production was the one that flunked out.

Singles may be fine but roommates are both wonderful and entertaining. )
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 07:10PM

wolcoma
That's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????

You'll be even more pissed when Martha Pollack hires a female athletic director. But just about every other Ivy's hires as AD have gone that way the past decade.

Not to dispute your points but to offer other perspectives:
* A president who leaves the football game at halftime is going to meet one group of alums, then have drinks at the Statler, probably twice, with alumni with clout or money to donate, hang with a couple trustees, then have dinner with more influencers. I bet there are times when the president desperately needs to go pee and cant' get away from a long-winded bore; it's part of the job. I sat in her box about 5 years ago and she left at halftime but she also was thoughtful to note with a shrug that she had a bunch of homecoming weekend appointments. Regardless, Andy Noel stays to the end of virtually very game, no matter how cold, rainy or hopeless the score.
* The red tarps add zest to the stadium. Nobody has been refused admission because the stadium lacks capacity. Most arenas with upper and lower bowls can drape some or all upper sections. Cornell tarps at least have a stylized C and may have Cornell's twitter handle, so think of the branding opportunities Cornell gains among influencers.
* The president or provost or head of planning comes to an alumni club meeting based on how big the club, the potential gain (versus other use of their time), etcetera. It has been perhaps two decades since Cornell has more or less guaranteed every Cornell club a name-speaker-from-Ithaca without looking at costs and benefits. The CC of Boston gets blown off less than CC of Western Mass. When I was president of that smaller group, at one point the head of Cornell planning flew out in a private plane to speak to 50 people. But then football coach Bob Blackman circa 1980 stopped making a trip to WMass to aware the trophy to the Player of the Year because a) the kids was often not academcially qualified and b) making the award in February, if he was a senior, the kid probably had his college chosen.
* Pollock did show up at a hockey game the day she was announced. Or maybe it was Skorton. We've been through a bunch of presidents this century and I forget which is which.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 07:13PM

George64
nshapiro
billhoward
The Schoellkopf Crescent has crumbled many times, been repaired, and has not yet fallen. The aging stadium has also benefited from Cornell's imposed weight limit of 3,500 fans at football games. Otherwise there'd probably be 10,000 at most games.
Is this new? What do they do at graduation - in 2019 the crescent was packed for graduation.
I think Bill’s being ironic again.
I think it's more like exaggeration. Extreme exaggeration. Buildings only collapse in Miami Beach, plus earthquake-prone countries with poor building codes. Or when Ukraine puts another Javelin missile on target. #AsymmetricWarfare
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 07:17PM

George64
Moreover, it was home to AD White and other university presidents, and the last vestige of the faculty row. Before it housed the Society for the Humanities, it was the White Art Museum.
Exactly. None of them move the needle when it comes to biotech, nano-fabrication, etcetera. Plus six, okay five, floors in place of AD White would guarantee 5 bars of cell service all the way out to the new athletics complex.

Uris Hall would not be missed, either.

ADW made it easier to protest w/o having to march all the way to Cayuga Heights and the current president's house.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 07:45PM

wolcoma
That's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????
And based on this you rant that she "hates athletics?" What nonsense. If you are the guy who writes this same nonsense about Pollack over and over on Voy forum you are an embarrassment to Cornell.

 
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Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 07:45PM

billhoward
wolcoma
That's my frustration with Martha Pollack is she is the most AWOL president Cornell has ever had. For example, she has been president for five years and has not once come out to meet alums at our Cornell Club event. Secondly ask many of the staff in the athletic department and they can't stand her. My daughter overlapped one year with Martha Pollack at Cornell and never saw or met her, in comparison she met both Elizabeth Garrett and Hunter Rawlings. I think I have seen Martha Pollack twice at Homecoming and both times she left the game prior to half time. Come on you're president of a major university and you can't stay for Homecoming???? Meanwhile a buddy of mine who went to Princeton, daughter graduated from Cornell back in 2019 and they had to stand the entire two hours for the ceremony at crumbling Schoellkopf and he still gives me a hard time about it. Tell me one contribution Martha Pollack has made to Cornell athletics over the past five years? Oh yeah.............she added a red tarp to the Crescent so fans can no longer sit there. Anything else????

You'll be even more pissed when Martha Pollack hires a female athletic director. But just about every other Ivy's hires as AD have gone that way the past decade.

Not to dispute your points but to offer other perspectives:
* A president who leaves the football game at halftime is going to meet one group of alums, then have drinks at the Statler, probably twice, with alumni with clout or money to donate, hang with a couple trustees, then have dinner with more influencers. I bet there are times when the president desperately needs to go pee and cant' get away from a long-winded bore; it's part of the job. I sat in her box about 5 years ago and she left at halftime but she also was thoughtful to note with a shrug that she had a bunch of homecoming weekend appointments. Regardless, Andy Noel stays to the end of virtually very game, no matter how cold, rainy or hopeless the score.
* The red tarps add zest to the stadium. Nobody has been refused admission because the stadium lacks capacity. Most arenas with upper and lower bowls can drape some or all upper sections. Cornell tarps at least have a stylized C and may have Cornell's twitter handle, so think of the branding opportunities Cornell gains among influencers.
* The president or provost or head of planning comes to an alumni club meeting based on how big the club, the potential gain (versus other use of their time), etcetera. It has been perhaps two decades since Cornell has more or less guaranteed every Cornell club a name-speaker-from-Ithaca without looking at costs and benefits. The CC of Boston gets blown off less than CC of Western Mass. When I was president of that smaller group, at one point the head of Cornell planning flew out in a private plane to speak to 50 people. But then football coach Bob Blackman circa 1980 stopped making a trip to WMass to aware the trophy to the Player of the Year because a) the kids was often not academcially qualified and b) making the award in February, if he was a senior, the kid probably had his college chosen.
* Pollock did show up at a hockey game the day she was announced. Or maybe it was Skorton. We've been through a bunch of presidents this century and I forget which is which.

Not always. Dartmouth's new AD hired this past June wasn't a female, and neither was Princeton's AD hired last year.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2022 08:22PM

marty
Singles may be fine but roommates are both wonderful and entertaining. )
North Campus new dorms (Vietnam era new dorms) were typically (my recall)
* 4 people in doubles, 2 in singles, 2:1 ratio
* Not enough in-suite common space
* too much common area space and what was there seemed cold, institutional

Would have been nice to have a suite of 1 double, plus 3 singles or 4 singles, and more in-suite space. Not everyone at Cornell is rich but even a lot of middle class kids come from single-bedroom houses. Maybe there's a dynamic with a double where you're closer to that person that two guys in adjoining singles. I like to think there's mostly cohesion in a ~six-person unit and you informally pair up with someone you're closer to than, say, your doubles-room mate.

Would have been nice to have some suites with cooking facilities as a on-campus alterntive to off-campus apartments.

IIRC BU's nicest newest dorm, overlooking the Charles ($14K per person 10 years ago), was 4 singles and a double, plus a galley kitchen, plus -- nobody gets it right -- a single bathroom where the toilet and shower were in a single room, only the two sinks were separate. How do six people get ready if all their classes are 9 am?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: wolcoma (192.92.157.---)
Date: August 31, 2022 08:59AM

I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 31, 2022 11:06AM

wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.

As I’ve said before about eLynah, come for the sports talk, stay for the thread drift.

I think being a university president may be one of the hardest jobs around. They have three major groups of constituents — students, faculty and alumni — groups with vastly different perspectives and needs.

Arguably, she’s not a Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, but she has the qualities to be Cornell’s president. After all, she was provost at Michigan, a large complex university like Cornell, which unlike our university, fields a competent football team from time to time. Her background in computer science and artificial intelligence is particularly apt given the potential of Cornell Tech and need to integrate our far flung parts into “One Cornell.”

As for communications, I recently sent her an email regarding an academic issue, and she replied the next day. “Thank you for your kind email and your thoughtful suggestion … I’m delighted to hear you were able to visit campus for your birthday. I hope you had a terrific time, and best wishes for the year ahead.” Although I donate regularly to Cornell, I’m hardly a heavy hitter and didn’t expect a personal response.

.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 31, 2022 11:21AM

wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
No question a female athletic director can do a good job or better. ("Women who want to be equal to men lack ambition."--Timothy Leary) It could be the pressure is so strong to go in that direction that Cornell leans toward correcting a history of no women as athletic department head when the best candidate is male. And some male alumni will believe that to be the case even if the woman who gets the job is the best-qualified person.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 31, 2022 11:27AM

George64
I think being a university president may be one of the hardest jobs around. They have three major groups of constituents — students, faculty and alumni — groups with vastly different perspectives and needs.

Clark Kerr, former University of California chancellor, agrees with you. He put it this way:

Clark Kerr
I find that the three major administrative problems on a campus are sex for the students, athletics for the alumni and parking for the faculty.

<rimshot>
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 31, 2022 05:54PM

wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
TBH no serious academic would want to be a University President. It's such a step down.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 01, 2022 12:48AM

billhoward
wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
No question a female athletic director can do a good job or better. ("Women who want to be equal to men lack ambition."--Timothy Leary) It could be the pressure is so strong to go in that direction that Cornell leans toward correcting a history of no women as athletic department head when the best candidate is male. And some male alumni will believe that to be the case even if the woman who gets the job is the best-qualified person.

How about they hire the AD candidate that is best qualified. It certainly it didn't matter to Dartmouth or Princeton, who both hired male ADs in the last year. Whoever Cornell hires to replace Andy Noel, it shouldn't take long to see Cornell needs to go in a new direction with their football program. :-D
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 01, 2022 01:43PM

Ken711
billhoward
wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
No question a female athletic director can do a good job or better. ("Women who want to be equal to men lack ambition."--Timothy Leary) It could be the pressure is so strong to go in that direction that Cornell leans toward correcting a history of no women as athletic department head when the best candidate is male. And some male alumni will believe that to be the case even if the woman who gets the job is the best-qualified person.
How about they hire the AD candidate that is best qualified. It certainly it didn't matter to Dartmouth or Princeton, who both hired male ADs in the last year. Whoever Cornell hires to replace Andy Noel, it shouldn't take long to see Cornell needs to go in a new direction with their football program. :-D
It sounds as if we're saying what Cornell is saying: We'll hire the best athletic director candidate available. A little part of me — call me a cynic after 40-plus years in publishing — believes the odds that Cornell selects the NFL chant of "best player regardless of position" are 55-45 against. Cornell could make the selection, whoever it is, more palatable by picking an alum.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 01, 2022 03:14PM

I believe Cornell should invest more in athletics & not accept losing over long periods in a “visible” program (read football). As an aside, President Pollack must be doing something right. Fundraising is at a record level ($900MM in gifts last fiscal year). Interest in attending Cornell also is very strong, with record applications & yield, resulting in only a 7% admit rate. Imagine if Cornell had a winning football team…
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.241.---)
Date: September 01, 2022 03:30PM

CAS
I believe Cornell should invest more in athletics & not accept losing over long periods in a “visible” program (read football). As an aside, President Pollack must be doing something right. Fundraising is at a record level ($900MM in gifts last fiscal year). Interest in attending Cornell also is very strong, with record applications & yield, resulting in only a 7% admit rate. Imagine if Cornell had a winning football team…

...then things would pretty much be the same IMHO.

Cornell is not in Division 1 in football (yes I know they call it 1A or something like that but it is not the highest level league). There is only so much excitement to be generated for a team and league that has been relegated to a lower status.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: September 01, 2022 03:53PM

I'm not an Andy Noel fan. But, IIRC, in 2019-2020, Cornell was #1 in M & W hockey, and men's lacrosse was ranked #2 (behind Syracuse, which had played a weaker schedule). Imagine COVID did not ended prematurely end the season, and we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?

If we bring in a new AD, under which we accomplish these three NC's, would it be sufficient?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: September 01, 2022 04:38PM

Trotsky
wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
TBH no serious academic would want to be a University President. It's such a step down.

It's a different career track. There are academics for whom Department Chair is a role you might take on grudgingly when you're pretty senior because someone has to do it and it's your turn/the department has run out of other people you think could do it competently. Then there are those for whom it's a stepping stone to Dean, Provost etc.

 
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Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 01, 2022 04:59PM

jtwcornell91
Trotsky
wolcoma
I have no problem with Cornell hiring a female AD as long as she is experienced and good at the job. Where the Board of Trustees screwed up is after Elizabeth Garrett passed away they were in too much of a hurry to hire another female president rather than the best person for the job. Again I think Martha Pollack is probably a brilliant academic, but does not have the personality or the leadership skills to be president of a major university.
TBH no serious academic would want to be a University President. It's such a step down.

It's a different career track. There are academics for whom Department Chair is a role you might take on grudgingly when you're pretty senior because someone has to do it and it's your turn/the department has run out of other people you think could do it competently. Then there are those for whom it's a stepping stone to Dean, Provost etc.

As I said. No serious academic.

World needs ditch diggers too.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: September 01, 2022 05:01PM

Roy 82
CAS
I believe Cornell should invest more in athletics & not accept losing over long periods in a “visible” program (read football). As an aside, President Pollack must be doing something right. Fundraising is at a record level ($900MM in gifts last fiscal year). Interest in attending Cornell also is very strong, with record applications & yield, resulting in only a 7% admit rate. Imagine if Cornell had a winning football team…

...then things would pretty much be the same IMHO.

Cornell is not in Division 1 in football (yes I know they call it 1A or something like that but it is not the highest level league). There is only so much excitement to be generated for a team and league that has been relegated to a lower status.

While I would love a "winning football team," it would have zero impact on applications or the perception of the university by the public at large. Perhaps it would cause a few more of us old farts to donate more, but that's about it.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: RichH (104.28.78.---)
Date: September 01, 2022 07:32PM

Swampy
…we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?

*cough*

Yes, absolutely.

Sorry, but a couple high-profile teams winning isn’t the only metric of a job like A.D.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: September 01, 2022 11:57PM

RichH
Swampy
…we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?

*cough*

Yes, absolutely.

Sorry, but a couple high-profile teams winning isn’t the only metric of a job like A.D.
Unless the team is football?????
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: September 02, 2022 01:45PM

David Harding
RichH
Swampy
…we went on to win NC's in all 3 sports. Would anyone seriously criticize AN or MP for their poor handling of athletics?

*cough*

Yes, absolutely.

Sorry, but a couple high-profile teams winning isn’t the only metric of a job like A.D.
Unless the team is football?????

No number of football wins could redeem the AD. I'm with RichH.

 
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Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 03, 2022 06:01PM

Why is Cornell opening vs VMI, & not playing an easier opponent (like Marist, who is playing Columbia). Guess to be the best you have to
beat the best.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/04/2022 11:54AM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 15, 2022 09:45AM

Cornell football opens the 2022 season at VMI Saturday 9/17, 1:30 p.m. It's a follow-on to last year's VMI game in Ithaca (VMI 31-21). This is VMI's third game of 2022, after losing to Wake Forest 44-10 then beating Bucknell 24-14.

Cornell's pre-game preview shows reasons to be optimistic:
* With only nine seniors (six freshmen, 11 sophomores and 18 juniors), Cornell is building to the future
* Two of the Cornell players are from Virginia and have insights on VMI
* "Picked to finish eighth in the Ivy League in the [2022] preseason media poll, Cornell has regularly exceeded prognosticators, surpassing its predicted finish in six of the past seven seasons."

So, good luck, Big Red. It has to go better than Colgate's opener (Stanford, 41-0).
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17 [Colgate thread drift]
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 15, 2022 10:03AM

Following the Colgate-Stanford game, there was this column in AZCentral (which covers Arizona State as a local school) suggesting Colgate's Patriot League might move up (athletically) and start "poaching" big-school talent. Assuming the writer was not stoned out of his mind while typing, it's, ah, intriguing:

Greg Moore, Arizona Central
The Ivy and Patriot Leagues could merge into a Brainiac Athletic League, pulling the upper subdivision schools down to the lower subdivision for a postseason playoff that would be the smartest move this side of March Madness.

The possibilities are limitless for an innovative mind, which would put Arizona State University in the mix to play BAL. (U.S. News & World Report’s No. 1 in innovation for seven years running, ahead of Harvard and MIT, which plays football at the Division III level.)

It wasn’t an accident that Colgate stepped up to Stanford — even if the Raiders ended up getting pasted by the Cardinal. Maybe it was an effort to send a signal about the future?

A recent U.S. News & World Report ranking of best national universities includes Vanderbilt (No. 14), which is the “Harvard of the South” and Stanford (No. 6), the “Harvard of the West” … and Harvard (No. 2), the Harvard of the Harvard, we suppose.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17 [Colgate thread drift]
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 15, 2022 11:59AM

Cornell exceeded expectations last year by finishing in a tie for last place (vs being alone in
last place).
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17 [Colgate thread drift]
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 15, 2022 05:10PM

CAS
Cornell exceeded expectations last year by finishing in a tie for last place (vs being alone in
last place).
Again, if one is an upbeat person, recall that Cornell tied for sixth place with two other teams.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17 [Colgate thread drift]
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 15, 2022 05:25PM

…is it possible to be upbeat going 1-6 in the Ivies?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 15, 2022 08:06PM

From the Cornell Daily Sun preview talking about the loss of 51 seniors and 5th year players:

The result of the unprecedented roster turnover this season is a lot of unproven, inexperienced players. Reflecting on 2021, Archer indicated that he regretted “coaching with gratitude.” So many fifth-year seniors disrupted their lives to play for the Red in 2021 after losing the 2020 season to the pandemic. Archer, feeling a sense of gratitude and perhaps obligation, gave those players most of the opportunities. Now, with those players gone, it’s hard to know what to expect when Cornell puts its current roster to the test for the first time.

Sounds to me like instead of giving playing time to your best players who were underclassman, Archer instead played all the seniors because he felt he "owed them something" for returning, thus his coaching with gratitude regret? Unless by some miracle he finishes with at least a .500 record, he has got to go!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/15/2022 10:06PM by Ken711.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.mtnsat.com)
Date: September 17, 2022 02:18PM

Some really stupid playcalling on the Cornell one-foot line results in a safety. Put Jameson under center and bull forward.

 
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Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17 [Colgate thread drift]
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 02:38PM

Cornell starts the season with a lead, 7-2, over VMI after the first quarter. On the road. Of course, any time your time gives up a safety, you know something went wrong. Still, that's nice.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 02:52PM

Looking okay so far, 14-2. VMI making errors but we are cashing them in.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 02:54PM

21-2 after a pick 6. Great first half.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 04:01PM

Cornell 28-2 late third. "What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports, is goin' on here?"
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 04:41PM

Trotsky
Cornell 28-2 late third. "What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports, is goin' on here?"

The universe is f-ing with us. We're going to be stuck with Archer forever.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 04:53PM

Did Wang get hurt, I see Luke Duby has playing QB for most of the 4th Qt?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 04:58PM

Cornell gives up 3 TDs in the last 5 or 6 minutes with abysmal (backup?) pass defense and giving up a put block but with a missed XP, the final score is 28-22 Cornell.

 
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 04:58PM

When was the last time Cornell had more wins than Notre Dame?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 05:01PM

28-22 final.

The defense gave up 20 points in the 4th quarter, to make it "interesting."
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 05:12PM

Ken711
Did Wang get hurt, I see Luke Duby has playing QB for most of the 4th Qt?
wasn't watching until the game was all keydets so hope it was just the 28-2 lead

 
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 17, 2022 05:12PM

Much harder than it had to be, but excellent road win against a favored opponent that took it to us in Ithaca last year. Wang got banged up in the 3rd quarter, but came back and played. Perhaps he wasn’t feeling great in the 4th quarter, with Duby getting most if not all the time. If it was a coach’s decision to play Duby it was a poor one—-not that Duby’s bad, but Wang to me is “the guy”.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 07:17PM

Cornell played a freshman at RB Gannon Carothers that looked better than Eddy Tillman the sophomore RB listed as the starter.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2022 07:34PM

Trotsky
Cornell 28-2 late third. "What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports, is goin' on here?"
From Cornell 28-2 to 28-22 final over VMI is reassuring to those who can't believe Cornell fields a decent football team. If we gave up one more TD the game would've rested on the early safety Cornell took.

Otherwise, what an amazing game for Cornell. A team so underrated that the Red would not have rewarded betters unless VMI won 43-28 (ESPN line showed VMI -14.5).

The Ivies went 7-1 for the weekend. Here's how the league fared relative to the Ivy media poll:

1. Harvard needed OT to beat Merrimakc 28-21 (Friday)
2. Dartmouth 35, Valparaiso 13
2. Princeton 39, Stetson 14
Teams with no first-place votes:
4. Cornell's Homecoming opponent Yale got clobbered by Holy
Cross, 38-14.
5. Columbia 28, Marist 0.
6. Penn 25, Colgate 14.
7. Brown 44, Bryant 38.
8. Cornell 28, VMI 2.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 @ VMI 9/17
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 19, 2022 03:08PM

Amazing win over VMI. (OK, and a naibiter at the end.) Not much excitement here on this thread, as if Cornell winning a game makes it harder to dismiss the coach. Meanwhile:

Ivy League went 7-1 on opening weekend. Players of the week were two Harvards and two Princetons. (Harvard, recall, needed OT to beat Merrimack.) Cornell did four HMs:

Freshman RB Gannon Carothers
TE William Enneking
LB Jake Stebbins
LB Holt Fletcher

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Re: Cornell football 2022 Yale 9/24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 23, 2022 09:28AM

Homecoming game, Yale at Cornell, 2 pm. Surprisingly, going into the second game of the season, it's Cornell with the 1-0 record, 28-22 over VMI while Yale lost to Holy Cross 38-14. Yale picked to finish fourth in the pre-season media poll, Cornell picked to finish eighth. ESPN has Cornell a 2.5-point underdog vs. the Bulldogs. Spread would have been a lot more if Cornell had not beaten VMI.

Rest of the league, Harvard at Brown, Lafayette at Penn, Columbia at Georgetown, Lehigh at Princeton, Dartmouth at Sacred Heart. All Saturday games.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2022 09:28AM by billhoward.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022 Yale 9/24
Posted by: Iceberg (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: September 23, 2022 07:51PM

I saw a troupe of buses as I was driving through town earlier and caught a glimpse of some Yale gear being worn by the folks inside so the opponents have definitely been around for much of the day
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.mtnsat.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 02:57PM

Same old, same old vs. Yale. Think I'll go to a talk on the Atlantic Ocean.

 
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Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 02:58PM

Yale leading 21-7 with about 6:30 left in the 1st half. Wang has been most of our offense, and Yale’s offense is basically toying with our defense; it doesn’t help that our tacking is abysmal. Looks like it will be another long day on homecoming barring a stunning turnaround.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 03:03PM

We had a 2nd and 2 and couldn’t convert. Our Play calling isn’t great, Yale has better talent and executes better than we do. Amazing that some of the Yale fans complain about their coaching.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-197-142.myvzw.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 03:13PM

Not just outclassed but incompetent. That last “substitution” before the 4th Yale touchdown was keystone kops stuff. Call a timeout?
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-197-142.myvzw.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 03:14PM

Not to mention that kickoff that just bounced around.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-197-142.myvzw.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 03:16PM

On the plus side, I like the new sleeve stripes. Think they’re new.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.mtnsat.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 04:03PM

Lecture was better than the football. So would have been a nap. VMI must be dreadful.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 04:30PM

There’s a soccer (aka football elsewhere) game at Marist on ESPN3 at 6.
.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: abkay (---.hsd1.dc.comcast.net)
Date: September 24, 2022 04:39PM

Having a strong wrestling program is so good for student and alumni morale! Who cares about football? All hail Andy!
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: September 24, 2022 04:40PM

Al DeFlorio
VMI must be dreadful.

VMI game was a tale of two halves — Cornell 21-2 in the first half, then 7-20 in the second. Regression to the mean?
.
 
Re: Cornell football 2022
Posted by: CAS (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: September 24, 2022 05:13PM

Cornell is now 15-42 in the Ivies with Dave Archer as head coach, & losers of 7 of their last 8 in the league.
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