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Cornell Football 2021

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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2022 03:17PM

rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2022 06:56PM

George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2022 07:55PM

CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2022 08:22PM

George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: January 09, 2022 08:51PM

Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2022 09:35PM

Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: RichH (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 10, 2022 10:40AM

Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 10, 2022 10:49AM

RichH
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 10, 2022 12:30PM

upprdeck
RichH
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 10, 2022 02:26PM

Ken711
upprdeck
RichH
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 10, 2022 03:42PM

nshapiro
Ken711
upprdeck
RichH
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?

there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.

maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.

its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.

maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 10, 2022 04:38PM

upprdeck
nshapiro
Ken711
upprdeck
RichH
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?

there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.

maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.

its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.

maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.
I agree that every organization should regularly be doing self-assessments. and I accept your statement that the quality of the department goes beyond on-field performance. I am just curious how your four lines contain three statements that suggest what to do to examine how athletics is doing, and one statement that unequivocally states it is dysfunctional? I would not be surprised if you are correct, but I don't feel qualified to make that comment. I expect that you are way more connected than I am...an alumnus who has not been to campus since covid.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2022 04:40PM by nshapiro.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 10, 2022 05:06PM

nshapiro
upprdeck
nshapiro
Ken711
upprdeck
RichH
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
.

Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years. Really, until the football program gets more support from Alumni and Administration, nothing is going to change in a serious way. Columbia the proverbial bottom dweller in Ivy football for years and years, finally got serious and launched a top to bottom review of what improvements were needed to field a competitive football program. Their improvement shows it can happen at Cornell too. Does Cornell's administration care? Does David Archer have tenure in coaching regardless of the results in wins/losses?

The abysmal season ended months ago, and nothing has happened. So, apparently he does.

Yep.Apparently he's tied to the hip with Andy Noel until he retires, which could possibly be next year.

I said it months ago. Andy is NOT interested in doing a coaching search. Period.
and the university doesnt seem to care how screwed up athletics is either.

That's the truly sad part.
I don't think that an outsider would think that athletics is screwed up.
Hockey and wrestling are doing well as expected.
Basketball and Soccer are on the upswing.
Lacrosse is competitive nationally
The only other sport where we have had traditional success is Crew, and I have not seen any complaints here on Elynah.
We all agree that football is a disaster, but what else is?

there is much more to the quality of the teams play and the results on the field that goes into how well the dept is doing.

maybe ask the players and coaches how its going.

its one of the most dysfunctional units on campus.

maybe look at other things. ticketing, youth programs, facilities, budgets, game day setups. lots of things unrelated to the games themselves.
I agree that every organization should regularly be doing self-assessments. and I accept your statement that the quality of the department goes beyond on-field performance. I am just curious how your four lines contain three statements that suggest what to do to examine how athletics is doing, and one statement that unequivocally states it is dysfunctional? I would not be surprised if you are correct, but I don't feel qualified to make that comment. I expect that you are way more connected than I am...an alumnus who has not been to campus since covid.

One thing seems clear is that other than women's hockey (and we'll give them a mulligan this rebuilding year) virtually all our women's teams are mediocre or worse. Even women's lacrosse, which has historically been one of the top 3 Ivy programs with Penn and Princeton, seems to have fallen back a bit.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 11, 2022 08:06AM

Three thoughts on how to resolve some of the differences of opinion.

1. The consensus here seems to be that Columbia did the right thing by bringing in outside experts to evaluate the football operation. The question then becomes did Columbia do the right thing? By what criteria? And if so, why doesn't Cornell do the same?

2. I don't even know if Athletics is also in charge of intramurals. But I can really see evaluating athletics at a university by the number of students who participate in organized athletics. Also, by how many unrecruited, ordinary students can enroll and play intercollegiate athletics, perhaps on club teams.

3. The benefits of Cornell's membership in the Ivy League go far beyond athletics. But athletics are the core of the League itself. If so, then the practice of giving nothing more than lip service to fielding teams far below par for the League in its core sports is a hypocritical disgrace.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 11, 2022 02:51PM

Swampy
Three thoughts on how to resolve some of the differences of opinion.

1. The consensus here seems to be that Columbia did the right thing by bringing in outside experts to evaluate the football operation. The question then becomes did Columbia do the right thing? By what criteria? And if so, why doesn't Cornell do the same?

2. I don't even know if Athletics is also in charge of intramurals. But I can really see evaluating athletics at a university by the number of students who participate in organized athletics. Also, by how many unrecruited, ordinary students can enroll and play intercollegiate athletics, perhaps on club teams.

3. The benefits of Cornell's membership in the Ivy League go far beyond athletics. But athletics are the core of the League itself. If so, then the practice of giving nothing more than lip service to fielding teams far below par for the League in its core sports is a hypocritical disgrace.

Good points Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 11, 2022 03:11PM

It could be a simple as money.. maybe its more than just bringing a coach/coaches. maybe its the other things that make a team better like facilities/training staff/environment/ staffing in non coaching positions..

Just like big time football.. Ala/clem/Ga. Yhey not only pay for the coaches we see they pay for grad assistants and scouting and food prep and recovery and dozens of other positions

Did Columbia do more than bring in a new coach?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 11, 2022 04:27PM

upprdeck
It could be a simple as money.. maybe its more than just bringing a coach/coaches. maybe its the other things that make a team better like facilities/training staff/environment/ staffing in non coaching positions..

Just like big time football.. Ala/clem/Ga. Yhey not only pay for the coaches we see they pay for grad assistants and scouting and food prep and recovery and dozens of other positions

Did Columbia do more than bring in a new coach?

Yes they did. Al Bagnoli who was ultimately hired was provided with an increased recruiting budget, and most importantly, an indoor practice bubble like he had at the University of Penn. They also apparently provided some streamlining of the admissions process regarding student athletes. Cornell apparently has the started the design process ($5 million in the 2021-2022 budget) for the New Indoor Campus Recreation and Sports Center (total cost $25 million.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Cop at Lynah (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 11, 2022 07:44PM

Just look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.

I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: RichH (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 12:39AM

Cop at Lynah
Just look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.

I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department

My evidence is CU’s incompetence at hosting events. In the past, the lax NCAA tournament hosting performance was generously reviewed as “herpty derp” (paraphrased).

We play hockey every damn year at “The Most Famous Arena in Sports” and our opponents take care of the hosting and logistics every single time. I’m so sick of hearing the Boston Accented Disembodied voice over the PA and Mike Eruzione taking bows with Rhett dancing on our incompetent faces.

This Athletic Department can’t seem to do anything except install video scoreboards, pay for a new logo nobody asked for, and knock down condemned grandstands.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 04:33AM

RichH
Mike Eruzione
This guy. He's gotten more out of one night than anyone since Peggy Hopkins Joyce.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 06:52AM

RichH

We play hockey every damn year at “The Most Famous Arena in Sports” and our opponents take care of the hosting and logistics every single time. I’m so sick of hearing the Boston Accented Disembodied voice over the PA and Mike Eruzione taking bows with Rhett dancing on our incompetent faces.

This Athletic Department can’t seem to do anything except install video scoreboards, pay for a new logo nobody asked for, and knock down condemned grandstands.

I thought that BU was in charge of game logistics for Red Hot Hockey but Cornell runs the Frozen Apple games?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 12, 2022 10:14AM

look at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?

I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 10:47AM

upprdeck
look at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?

I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.

Surprised they didn't propose "Punt" or "Turnover."
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: CAS (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 11:22AM

Lol Swampy. It’s criminal that Cornell allows football to continue its uncompetitive ways, without trying to address its problems. Btw women’s squash is another (rare) strong women’s program.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2022 11:30AM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 12:16PM

Swampy
upprdeck
look at how often Cornell has tried to host a regional to make sure it would stay local if we got in?

I saw some locals say they were renaming the bear "Touchdown" to "Field goal" outside the stadium. So even locals are in on the joke about the quality of the team.

Surprised they didn't propose "Punt" or "Turnover."
How about "false start?"

 
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Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 08:59PM

Don't forget polo.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 12, 2022 11:11PM

I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2022 12:29AM

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something.
A literal zero attendance would draw some attention.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2022 06:55AM

Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: January 13, 2022 09:46AM

Ken711
Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.

Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can’t imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell’s record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration’s apparent indifference.

If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2022 09:53AM

Swampy
Ken711
Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.

Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can’t imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell’s record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration’s apparent indifference.

If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.

Perhaps a plane flying over Schoellkopf pulling a banner reading "30 years of losing football is enough", like the NY Giants situation from years back. I agree that nothing seems likely to improve until a new AD is appointed. When was the last capital improvement drive for athletics at Cornell?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2022 11:35AM

Swampy
Ken711
Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something. For example, distribute paper bag masks before the game the same way we distribute newspapers before hockey games.

I saw a few letter to the editors in the Cornell Daily Sun a few months back.

Yeah, but we need something that will draw national attention. I can’t imagine the administration would be happy to see Sports Illustrated or the New York Times run stories about how terrible Cornell’s record has become and the discontent among students and alumni over the administration’s apparent indifference.

If the administration would just get AN to take early retirement, it would be a step forward.
What early retirement? He is class of '72 from F&M so he must be 70+. Please don't tell me that his is a tenured position that he can keep forever!
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: CAS (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 13, 2022 12:17PM

Cornell put out a release on 11/30/16 which said Andy’s contract has been extended through June 2022.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 13, 2022 04:01PM

Perhaps if Roger Weiss ‘61, who endowed the HC position, demands a better ROI?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 13, 2022 11:08PM

Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years.

I still feel sorry for Jack Fouts (whose name I had to look up), the offensive coordinator who got promoted to replace Baughan and then was fired after one 4-6 (2-5 Ivy) season. Wikipedia tells me he had a pretty good run at his alma mater Ohio Wesleyan before that.

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 14, 2022 11:30AM

jtwcornell91
Ken711
George64
CU2007
George64
rss77
Maxie Baughan used transfers to upgrade the talent plus some good recruiting.

Yes, things greatly improved during his tenure. In his final three years, his teams were 20-9-1! Too bad he couldn’t keep his fly zipped! In eight seasons, Archer’s teams have won 21 games.
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Elaborate!!

Baughan became head football coach at Cornell in 1983, and his 1988 team was co-champion of the Ivy League. It was Cornell's first championship since 1971. Baughan was forced to resign as head coach at Cornell after information surfaced about an affair he had with an assistant coach's wife.

They had pretty good success after Baughan with Jim Hofher when he led Cornell to a tie for the Ivy Championship in his very first year. Hofher finished with a 45–35 overall record in 8 years.

I still feel sorry for Jack Fouts (whose name I had to look up), the offensive coordinator who got promoted to replace Baughan and then was fired after one 4-6 (2-5 Ivy) season. Wikipedia tells me he had a pretty good run at his alma mater Ohio Wesleyan before that.

It's even sadder think that a one 4-6 record resulted in his firing, when Archer has only "achieved" a 4-6 record twice in 8 years, which were his highest finishes in those 8 long years!
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 14, 2022 05:00PM

Ken711
It's even sadder think that a one 4-6 record resulted in his firing, when Archer has only "achieved" a 4-6 record twice in 8 years, which were his highest finishes in those 8 long years!

Not were. Are. There's still time for the denominator to get bigger.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 17, 2022 01:36PM

Trotsky
Swampy
I wonder if fans can shame them into doing something.
A literal zero attendance would draw some attention.
Wasn't that done this fall? I mean, I don't know if it was intentional or just, well, enough-is-enough.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 18, 2022 06:05PM

So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.


"The Penn alumni magazine contains an interview with Penn's new AD.

"Q: The football team just wrapped up a tough season. Perhaps it might be unfair to judge too harshly given the pandemic challenges, but what kind of pressure does that put on head coach Ray Priore?

A: This was a tough season for all of us. We appreciate that there was nuance with some of our peers having the benefit of more students taking gap years, which allowed them to have more veteran teams compared to ours. But I think we'll all be the first to admit we have work to do. And I think that is why its important for Ray and me to spend some time together brainstorming. I personally feel that we need to make some changes. We need to at least plot a course that gives us confidence that we're headed in the right direction.\"The Penn alumni magazine contains an interview with Penn's new AD.

"Q: The football team just wrapped up a tough season. Perhaps it might be unfair to judge too harshly given the pandemic challenges, but what kind of pressure does that put on head coach Ray Priore?

A: This was a tough season for all of us. We appreciate that there was nuance with some of our peers having the benefit of more students taking gap years, which allowed them to have more veteran teams compared to ours. But I think we'll all be the first to admit we have work to do. And I think that is why its important for Ray and me to spend some time together brainstorming. I personally feel that we need to make some changes. We need to at least plot a course that gives us confidence that we're headed in the right direction.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: RichH (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 12:26AM

Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2022 12:27AM by RichH.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 07:54AM

RichH
Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 08:56AM

Ken711
RichH
Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.
Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 09:10AM

nshapiro
Ken711
RichH
Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.
Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'

True, let's hope Andy retires off into the sunset when he contract expires in June 2022.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 19, 2022 12:18PM

Ken711
nshapiro
Ken711
RichH
Ken711
So Penn's new AD wants to set a plan for improvements to their football program, and Cornell.....silence.

What’s a “new AD?”

Athletic Director.
Umm...I think the question was a humorous jest implying that in the Cornell Universe, there will never be such a thing as a 'new AD'

True, let's hope Andy retires off into the sunset when he contract expires in June 2022.

I wonder, does anyone in the AD’s office tap into eLynah? I’m surprised that there’s been no apparent groundswell to oust Archer. I’ve never given anything to football, but have made not insignificant contributions to women’s hockey and men’s crew. Next time AD Andy asks, I’ll wait for him to answer about football before giving anything to the Athletic Department.

When I lived in Cleveland, I made annual trips to Ithaca to reconnect with friends and catch a football game. Now I live in Rochester, and don’t even think about driving 90 miles for football. You’d think that in the midst of a major fund-raising campaign someone would pay attention to disgruntled alumni, even those who are not awash in money.
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 05:46PM

Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: January 19, 2022 07:03PM

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

Why change what works?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 08:49PM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2022 11:36PM

billhoward
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.
I think that post was clear since the quotes were around the phrase "new AD", not just around AD
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 20, 2022 11:08AM

Cop at Lynah
Just look what they've allowed at the golf course. Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.

I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department

No one has any idea whats going on that golf course.. the big project has again come to a halt. They cut about 10% of the trees and not much else.. no bunker work to be seen.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Cop at Lynah (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 20, 2022 11:29AM

My understanding is that drainage work and tree removal in 2022 and bunker replacement 2023. Hoping for the best because the course really is a gem that just needs to be rehabbed back to its former self
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 20, 2022 11:48AM

hopefully.. I was told tree work would be done by winter and bunker work started in the fall but that never happened.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2022 07:49AM

Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: January 21, 2022 04:50PM

CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 21, 2022 05:36PM

Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2022 06:43PM

jtwcornell91
Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

IINM Ben is 9-0-2. That's better than Harkness.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: RichH (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2022 07:49PM

Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

IINM Ben is 9-0-2. That's better than Harkness.

Both seem to be very strong in the recruiting game. At this point, I’d rather have Syer just to not have a big discontinuity.

Oops, football thread. Andy Noel is garbage, and I’ve known that since he was given the job for lyfe.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2022 08:08PM

Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2022 09:45PM

CU2007
Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2022 09:52PM

Trotsky
IINM Ben is 9-0-2.

9-1-2
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: January 22, 2022 03:17AM

jtwcornell91
Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

#1: Casey comes from Cornell Hockey, so he’s not exactly an outsider.
#2: My point is that hiring a coach from a successful in-house program is not the same as hiring from a perpetual in-house doormat. But a proven coach from an outside powerhouse might be good for a doormat program or a marquee program.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 22, 2022 08:26AM

Ken711
CU2007
Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: January 22, 2022 05:08PM

Al DeFlorio
Ken711
CU2007
Swampy
CU2007
Al DeFlorio
Noel appears to be averse to searches. Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring? Look at lacrosse: Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek. Add Koll to Grey in 2021. And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012. All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don’t care if you’re making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We’ve done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I’d be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell’s football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell’s basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

You make a good point. I have to agree.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 22, 2022 09:58PM

Ken711
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.

Meanwhile, get while, Mike.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 22, 2022 10:08PM

Al DeFlorio
My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out. Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up. If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it. But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.
As a 1972 college graduate, Andy Noel is 72 years old, give or take a year. If this is his last or next to last year, maybe it's better to let the successor replace anyone who's having mixed success in a major sport. The new guy -- quite possibly woman -- may have to find a successor for Mike Schafer, too. Which could well be Doug Darraugh '91, the way Gary Gait moved laterally to be Syracuse men's coach.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 22, 2022 11:03PM

billhoward
Ken711
Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.
Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.

Meanwhile, get while, Mike.

It's better to hire a coach that has at least experienced a winning record during his coaching career somewhere, then to just to offer up an alumnus. Archer as an assistant, never coached on a team that finished with a winning record before being promoted to HC.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: January 23, 2022 01:06AM

The Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's to
Please join us on Monday January 31, 2022 at 7:30 PM EST for Cornell Athletics in the Covid Era with Andy Noel, Director of Athletics & Physical Education, The Meakem-Smith Director of Athletics and Physical Education
[cornelluniversity.imodules.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2022 10:05AM

Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 23, 2022 10:09AM

Trotsky
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it’s a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he’d get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 23, 2022 11:02AM

scoop85
Trotsky
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it’s a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he’d get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

And most would settle for “competitive” or “not embarassing” as opposed to a powerhouse. Bâby steps and all that.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2022 11:18AM

CU2007
scoop85
Trotsky
Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning? For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point? Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it’s a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he’d get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

And most would settle for “competitive” or “not embarassing” as opposed to a powerhouse. Bâby steps and all that.

Cornell football and the term "powerhouse"? Just finishing one season with a .500 or better record would be nice, but is pretty doubtful with this staff.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2022 11:20AM

David Harding
The Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's to
Please join us on Monday January 31, 2022 at 7:30 PM EST for Cornell Athletics in the Covid Era with Andy Noel, Director of Athletics & Physical Education, The Meakem-Smith Director of Athletics and Physical Education
[cornelluniversity.imodules.com]

Is going to even mention the state of the Cornell football program? How about the progress on the indoor practice facility? His retirement (hopeful)?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Weder (136.226.49.---)
Date: February 04, 2022 01:11PM

The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

[ithacavoice.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 04, 2022 01:30PM

Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

[ithacavoice.com]

The long range plan is to build new locker spaces, and perhaps a weight room under what will be new West Stands.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (185.240.244.---)
Date: February 04, 2022 03:26PM

Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

[ithacavoice.com]

Ithaca Voice
New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be “long-term temporary” at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

“Long-term temporary,” as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 04, 2022 04:12PM

Swampy
Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

[ithacavoice.com]

Ithaca Voice
New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be “long-term temporary” at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

“Long-term temporary,” as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?
Built in 1953. WWII must have lasted longer than I thought.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 04, 2022 04:53PM

well. look at society now.. seems like the civil war is still going strong around many parts.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 04, 2022 05:05PM

upprdeck
well. look at society now.. seems like the civil war is still going strong around many parts.
Better build more dorms.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 12:19AM

Al DeFlorio
Swampy
Weder
The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

[ithacavoice.com]

Ithaca Voice
New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be “long-term temporary” at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

“Long-term temporary,” as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?
Built in 1953. WWII must have lasted longer than I thought.

Eight years. One year for transport home, and enough time to forget about Trotsky's French whore and the clap she gave you. Then time to marry the girl next door, have Billy in year 3 and Suzy in year 5. Work at your factory job for 3 years and realize you've got to find another way. So, by 1953 you sell the postwar Ford and head up to the fingers of lakes to go back to school.

There were also women and Blacks in military service during WWII, but I never heard of either getting much of the GI Bill gravy. I do know for a fact there was tremendous structural racism for things like VA loans.

Of course, the Korean War brought another wave of vets back to college on the GI Bill, right around the time University Halls were going up.

One last point is that after Harry T. dropped the big ones on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it took a while before scientists on the Manhattan Project could find new jobs. Then it took several years for them to figure out how to design a building where a pin dropped on the fourth floor would make a racket in the basement. Once they figured this out, only then could construction on the University Halls begin.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Cop at Lynah (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2022 09:13AM

Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 10:45AM

Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 11:02AM

David Harding
Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 11:07AM

Ken711
David Harding
Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Shortage of tradespeople.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 12:16PM

Al DeFlorio
Ken711
David Harding
Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Shortage of tradespeople.

Yep.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 02:13PM

David Harding
Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.
Don't bring CPAC into this.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2022 10:24PM

Ken711
Al DeFlorio
Ken711
David Harding
Cop at Lynah
Holy Christ, $600,000 for a modular build. That's some high price union work right there

$327/sqft doesn't sound crazy to me with all the plumbing to accommodate 50 guys showering.

Plumbing and electrical trade costs are crazy high these days.
Shortage of tradespeople.

Yep.
Because the American Dream now means go to college, accrue tremendous debt, and get a job that didn't require a college education, and doesn't pay enough to let you repay your student loan and live.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: dbilmes (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 07, 2022 08:25PM

From the Athletic:

Penn State picked up a commitment from Cornell graduate transfer offensive lineman Hunter Nourzad on Monday. The Marietta, Ga., native picked Penn State over a group of finalists that included Virginia Tech, Iowa, Auburn and Illinois.

The 6-foot-4, 298-pound Nourzad is expected to enroll at Penn State after graduating from Cornell in May and will have two years of eligibility remaining. At Cornell, Nourzad started 20 consecutive games at right tackle — 10 in 2019 and the other 10 this past season, when he was a first-team All-Ivy League selection. Like all Ivy League players, he did not have a football season in the fall of 2020 because of the pandemic.

Penn State will have competition along the interior, and Nourzad should help with that. Experienced, accomplished linemen are hard to come by, so this will be a boost.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 27, 2022 04:49PM

For what it's worth, the folks behind college football site Every Day Should Be Saturday and the Shutdown Fullback podcast are in the middle of their annual charity drive to raise money for New American Pathways, a refugee-resettlement organization. They sort the contributions by school and play up rivalries and people tend to tie their donation amounts to certain significant scores or whatnot. For example, Here is my entry:



I encourage my fellow Red to donate and move Cornell up the leaderboard somewhat.

 
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 30, 2022 08:56AM

Ed Marinaro - at the NFL draft

[www.youtube.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 30, 2022 10:13AM

Here’s an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —

David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program’s history. . . Last year’s team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won’t be tolerated for long.

Except at Cornell!
.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 30, 2022 04:40PM

George64
Here’s an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —

David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program’s history. . . Last year’s team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won’t be tolerated for long.

Except at Cornell!
.

Or Andy Noel retires, which thankfully happens this summer. This is it for Archer this Fall, with his protector gone, it's finally produce a winning record with the football program or see ya.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: May 01, 2022 03:23PM

Ken711
George64
Here’s an excerpt from a Rochester D&C article about college football coaches on the hot seat —

David Shaw, Stanford: Here are the cold facts about Shaw. He is a good coach, the winningest in the program’s history. . . Last year’s team failed miserably in areas that used to be strengths: running the ball and stopping the run. The Cardinal were among the worst in the nation at both. Maybe the administration gives Shaw a reprieve, but losing, no matter where, won’t be tolerated for long.

Except at Cornell!
.

Or Andy Noel retires, which thankfully happens this summer. This is it for Archer this Fall, with his protector gone, it's finally produce a winning record with the football program or see ya.

He's had enough time. He's already proved enough for me.
 
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