New indoor campus recreation & sports center

It appears Cornell has completed fundraising & will begin construction on a new $25 million indoor facility. This should greatly benefit lacrosse, football, & the general student population.

CAS
It appears Cornell has completed fundraising & will begin construction on a new $25 million indoor facility. This should greatly benefit lacrosse, football, & the general student population.

Great news to hear! Have they settled on the location? I heard before there was talk of a campus location other the sports complex on Game Farm road that was being considered.

Believe Cornell was considering two on-campus sites - don’t know what was ultimately decided. The project is included in Cornell’s 2021-2 capital budget, & mentioned in a recent Andy fundraising email.

yeah. I havent seen it confirmed if the site they chose has been officially announced yet and they stuck with where I was told. there really are not many options on campus anyway.

I wonder if there is space for it next to Weill Hall.

I have a couple mtgs this week and ask if the decision has become public.

it will be interesting to see the result of parking changes with so many employees being asked to not come back to campus.. parking has driven a bunch of decisions over the years but it may free up some space in places never planned on before.. something like the crescent lot is a huge chunk of campus. but the reality is you could expand the oxley lot, which isnt all that much further, and do something on the crescent lot one day.

if the master plan to move the baseball field and the Robison ALumni field. Dodson field and Berman field is followed then it would make sense to move an IPF out to game farm with all of those fields and that frees up campus for several new buildings.

upprdeck
I have a couple mtgs this week and ask if the decision has become public.

it will be interesting to see the result of parking changes with so many employees being asked to not come back to campus.. parking has driven a bunch of decisions over the years but it may free up some space in places never planned on before.. something like the crescent lot is a huge chunk of campus. but the reality is you could expand the oxley lot, which isnt all that much further, and do something on the crescent lot one day.

if the master plan to move the baseball field and the Robison ALumni field. Dodson field and Berman field is followed then it would make sense to move an IPF out to game farm with all of those fields and that frees up campus for several new buildings.

Thanks, I'm interested if you find anything about the building site. I won't be surprised if it turns out to be the Game Farm complex given the new baseball stadium will be built there.

If a fit-rec center is intended for students and if Cornell wants a campus that's like Princeton or Dartmouth only bigger (that is, walking distance for many things not just classes and libraries), a facility should be near where student dorms are. That's not out by Pine Tree Road / Game Farm Road.

The beginning of the end was when Lower Alumni Field, behind Teagle Hall, across from Barton Hall, became Comstock Hall in the mid-1970s. It should have gotten artificial turf and nicer stands. I'd rather see A.D. White House and the Big Red Barn put to a better use that is six stories tall before more on-campus sports facilities go away.

It'd be nice if students and athlete-students used the same building but if it's way to hell and gone, students would rather have expanded facilities near North and West Campus dorms.

Is there a time when replacements for Lynah and Schoellkopf move off campus? Perhaps the new football facility is named Archer Field in honor of Cornell's longest-tenured football coach.

Ironic that the Ivy's most rural campus other than Dartmouth suffers from sprawl.

Pure speculation:

Looking at the campus master plan from a few years ago, I see some overlap with these words, but it's not obviously the same thing. The master plan shows some athletics and recreation building as am option in the space between Friedman Wrestling Center and Upper Alumni Field, with the north side aligned with the north side of Bartels. By eyeball the footprint is a little bigger than Friedman, but not much. Friedman cost $4.5M 20 years ago.

The master plan also envisions filling all of Upper Alumni Field from the Freidman Center east with academic, administrative, and residential buildings. They say explicitly "Provide residential amenities in base buildings (e.g. dining, fitness and recreation facilities)" The grass that remains is rebranded "Alumni Quad".

Again, as of a year ago, the two sites under consideration for this building were both on campus.

billhoward
If a fit-rec center is intended for students and if Cornell wants a campus that's like Princeton or Dartmouth only bigger (that is, walking distance for many things not just classes and libraries), a facility should be near where student dorms are. That's not out by Pine Tree Road / Game Farm Road.

The beginning of the end was when Lower Alumni Field, behind Teagle Hall, across from Barton Hall, became Comstock Hall in the mid-1970s. It should have gotten artificial turf and nicer stands. I'd rather see A.D. White House and the Big Red Barn put to a better use that is six stories tall before more on-campus sports facilities go away.

It'd be nice if students and athlete-students used the same building but if it's way to hell and gone, students would rather have expanded facilities near North and West Campus dorms.

Is there a time when replacements for Lynah and Schoellkopf move off campus? Perhaps the new football facility is named Archer Field in honor of Cornell's longest-tenured football coach.

Ironic that the Ivy's most rural campus other than Dartmouth suffers from sprawl.

Archer Field? I almost spit out my breakfast cereal. The field hockey field next to Weill Hall or the shot put and discus field at the far end of upper alumni field seem like the only spaces left that would fit on campus besides a site at Game Farm road.

I guess I don't understand the big deal about moving the athletic facilities to Game Farm Rd.

I look at Lehigh where all their sports facilities (Football, basketball, lacrosse, etc.) are on the other side of the mountain from the main campus. It's a distance of 3-4 miles and it works just fine. They have a bus service that runs several times per hour on weekdays and les frequent on weekends (although I believe they add buses on game days). Plenty of parking for tailgating, too.

One change over the arc of old-alums' lifetimes -- boy, that street name makes us sound rural -- is that there are few weekday afternoon sporting events now. If we play Syracuse in lax on a Tuesday, it's Tuesday night. Fewer times when someone might stroll over from the last afternoon class to see a sporting event played 5 minutes by foot from the Arts Quad.

I'm curious if we might see Cornell housing or private apartments develop near the new athletic facilities.

Yes, Lehigh's athletic fields are a hike from main campus. But Lehigh's Bethlehem is 2-3 times bigger than Ithaca and the campus is closer to the main part of town, so maybe they got landlocked early on.

Jeff Hopkins '82
I guess I don't understand the big deal about moving the athletic facilities to Game Farm Rd.

I look at Lehigh where all their sports facilities (Football, basketball, lacrosse, etc.) are on the other side of the mountain from the main campus. It's a distance of 3-4 miles and it works just fine. They have a bus service that runs several times per hour on weekdays and les frequent on weekends (although I believe they add buses on game days). Plenty of parking for tailgating, too.

Yale has the same situation. Outdoor athletics venues are remote from campus.

As the NC$$ implodes and all that sweet sports money starts going to the athletes instead of the schools, I wonder whether the bubble on sports spending will finally burst.

An indoor campus recreation & sports center serves about 2% of the entire student population. Students would be far better served if everything spent on this kind of stuff went to lowering the cost of tuition, room, and board.

Strongly disagree with the above sentiment. Expect the proposed recreation center will be used by thousands of students who are not varsity athletes.

Trotsky
As the NC$$ implodes and all that sweet sports money starts going to the athletes instead of the schools, I wonder whether the bubble on sports spending will finally burst.

An indoor campus recreation & sports center serves about 2% of the entire student population. Students would be far better served if everything spent on this kind of stuff went to lowering the cost of tuition, room, and board.

Geez, I was just about to advocate for a light rail line to the new ball field.

marty

Trotsky
As the NC$$ implodes and all that sweet sports money starts going to the athletes instead of the schools, I wonder whether the bubble on sports spending will finally burst.

An indoor campus recreation & sports center serves about 2% of the entire student population. Students would be far better served if everything spent on this kind of stuff went to lowering the cost of tuition, room, and board.

Geez, I was just about to advocate for a light rail line to the new ball field.

Hyperloop or nothing

Trotsky
As the NC$$ implodes and all that sweet sports money starts going to the athletes instead of the schools, I wonder whether the bubble on sports spending will finally burst.

An indoor campus recreation & sports center serves about 2% of the entire student population. Students would be far better served if everything spent on this kind of stuff went to lowering the cost of tuition, room, and board.

since none of the money spent on the IPF is coming from cornell , it indirectly does allow for money to be spent on other things..

upprdeck

Trotsky
As the NC$$ implodes and all that sweet sports money starts going to the athletes instead of the schools, I wonder whether the bubble on sports spending will finally burst.

An indoor campus recreation & sports center serves about 2% of the entire student population. Students would be far better served if everything spent on this kind of stuff went to lowering the cost of tuition, room, and board.

since none of the money spent on the IPF is coming from cornell , it indirectly does allow for money to be spent on other things..

Agreed. It will be a great addition to the facilities that students can utilize in addition to the various varsity sport teams. The eventual site location is less important to me, I'm just happy it's going to be built!

after some conversations with people on campus who are pretty well placed when these things get done..

There is a lot of this project not really very well explained to people for something that has the look of a done deal.

upprdeck
after some conversations with people on campus who are pretty well placed when these things get done..

There is a lot of this project not really very well explained to people for something that has the look of a done deal.

Cornell's fear that a hard-hitting analysis by the Ithaca Journal might sway minds ... is likely unfounded.

Anymore news on this? I see there is a line item of $5 million of the total $25 million facility cost in the 21-22 Cornell budget. I assume the $5 million is for initial design work.

Cornell has retained an architectural firm which is currently designing the building. Don’t know where the building will be located.

CAS
Cornell has retained an architectural firm which is currently designing the building. Don’t know where the building will be located.

That's good news.

CAS
Cornell has retained an architectural firm which is currently designing the building. Don’t know where the building will be located.

This could be a transformational facility for Cornell athletics if the facility was covered and had enough room for 1,000-2,500 spectators. Princeton and Harvard have the money to do it Cornell needs it among the Ivies because it has the worst weather for spring sports other than Dartmouth, but Dartmouth doesn't have any nationally competitive spring sports.

billhoward

CAS
Cornell has retained an architectural firm which is currently designing the building. Don’t know where the building will be located.

This could be a transformational facility for Cornell athletics if the facility was covered and had enough room for 1,000-2,500 spectators. Princeton and Harvard have the money to do it Cornell needs it among the Ivies because it has the worst weather for spring sports other than Dartmouth, but Dartmouth doesn't have any nationally competitive spring sports.

I agree that it would be nice to have that additional spectator seating space, however I doubt they have the money for a facility of that greater size. It's not from what I understand they are planning for, it's meant for varsity sports practices and recreational use by the general student population.

most of these type buildings have space for a few hundred and lax makes it even harder with a ball gong 100 all over the place to avoid.

Ken711

billhoward

CAS
Cornell has retained an architectural firm which is currently designing the building. Don’t know where the building will be located.

This could be a transformational facility for Cornell athletics if the facility was covered and had enough room for 1,000-2,500 spectators. Princeton and Harvard have the money to do it Cornell needs it among the Ivies because it has the worst weather for spring sports other than Dartmouth, but Dartmouth doesn't have any nationally competitive spring sports.

I agree that it would be nice to have that additional spectator seating space, however I doubt they have the money for a facility of that greater size. It's not from what I understand they are planning for, it's meant for varsity sports practices and recreational use by the general student population.

I wonder what the marginal cost of adding spectator seating would be, and what additional usage would be necessary to justify the extra expense. Men's & women's lacrosse? Winter, indoor soccer? Track & field? Concerts? Large lecture classes? Indoor Commencement? Winter sport training? Study hall?

It would probably be very difficult to estimate the potential benefit of additional seating far in advance of actual usage. Perhaps a wealthy alum could just gift the additional cost, and then Cornell could experiment with uses.

OTOH, perhaps the building could be designed with adding seating at a later date in mind.

Swampy

Ken711

billhoward

CAS
Cornell has retained an architectural firm which is currently designing the building. Don’t know where the building will be located.

This could be a transformational facility for Cornell athletics if the facility was covered and had enough room for 1,000-2,500 spectators. Princeton and Harvard have the money to do it Cornell needs it among the Ivies because it has the worst weather for spring sports other than Dartmouth, but Dartmouth doesn't have any nationally competitive spring sports.

I agree that it would be nice to have that additional spectator seating space, however I doubt they have the money for a facility of that greater size. It's not from what I understand they are planning for, it's meant for varsity sports practices and recreational use by the general student population.

I wonder what the marginal cost of adding spectator seating would be, and what additional usage would be necessary to justify the extra expense. Men's & women's lacrosse? Winter, indoor soccer? Track & field? Concerts? Large lecture classes? Indoor Commencement? Winter sport training? Study hall?

It would probably be very difficult to estimate the potential benefit of additional seating far in advance of actual usage. Perhaps a wealthy alum could just gift the additional cost, and then Cornell could experiment with uses.

OTOH, perhaps the building could be designed with adding seating at a later date in mind.

Not likely adding more seating space it later. The footprint of the indoor facility isn't changing. Look at other indoor practice facilities, even the FBS schools. There's very little sideline space for spectator seating. I'm just happy that this project is finally moving forward. The actual site location is less important to me.

most of these buildings are fairly tall.. you could, in theory, add something later that was higher up, protected by netting and had some seating. then people could watch but be out of the way of the players and the balls

upprdeck
most of these buildings are fairly tall.. you could, in theory, add something later that was higher up, protected by netting and had some seating. then people could watch but be out of the way of the players and the balls

upprdeck
most of these buildings are fairly tall.. you could, in theory, add something later that was higher up, protected by netting and had some seating. then people could watch but be out of the way of the players and the balls

I went to a hockey rink in Korea that was kinda like that.

thats why I kind wonder why someone hasnt built one of these things like this.. the addon can come later if its designed to be put in later if there is a need.. And it seems like everyone who has one of these facilities ends up playing there for weather reasons and then fans become a hard thing to deal with.. you would almost think you could build the support wall with the idea of stands to be added later. leaved the side supports in place but have the wall be built in a way it could be opened up if its desired.

An indoor stadium for game play needs to have a tall roof. The Dallas Cowboys stadium center screen hangs 90 feet above the field. I don't know what height is required to not affect 90% or 95% of long soccer kicks or long lacrosse clearing passes. In football, it's a do-ever in Dallas. But you could also have game-tracker cameras tell you where the ball would come down if it hadn't hid the scoreboard and in football (punt) it could be a dead ball at the point, receiving team takes over there. Not sure about soccer (a drop ball?), less about lacrosse (can't be a faceoff because that rewards the better FOGO). I'd say if a team's clearing percentage against the opponnent is 90%, the team gets the ball at midfield based on the referee's phone app that awards continued possession 90% (or whatever) fraction of the time.

Stands for fans don't need the high roof but they need to be able to see the entire field. If it's added later, the building should be designed so that wall doesn't need later reinforcement. I think room for 1,000 is adequate and, given the way sports are drawing fans to regular season lacrosse or soccer, even 500 might be okay. The seating could be 5' or 10' feet away from the field as long as there's netting protecting the fans in lacrosse.

billhoward
An indoor stadium for game play needs to have a tall roof. The Dallas Cowboys stadium center screen hangs 90 feet above the field. I don't know what height is required to not affect 90% or 95% of long soccer kicks or long lacrosse clearing passes. In football, it's a do-ever in Dallas. But you could also have game-tracker cameras tell you where the ball would come down if it hadn't hid the scoreboard and in football (punt) it could be a dead ball at the point, receiving team takes over there. Not sure about soccer (a drop ball?), less about lacrosse (can't be a faceoff because that rewards the better FOGO). I'd say if a team's clearing percentage against the opponnent is 90%, the team gets the ball at midfield based on the referee's phone app that awards continued possession 90% (or whatever) fraction of the time.

Stands for fans don't need the high roof but they need to be able to see the entire field. If it's added later, the building should be designed so that wall doesn't need later reinforcement. I think room for 1,000 is adequate and, given the way sports are drawing fans to regular season lacrosse or soccer, even 500 might be okay. The seating could be 5' or 10' feet away from the field as long as there's netting protecting the fans in lacrosse.

I think lacrosse balls hardly ever go higher than 20-30 ft. Lacrosse passes typically start out in someone's stick (for a 6' 5" long-stick, this might be 11-12 feet) and they fly more-or-less parallel to the ground. Teams sometimes practice fast breaks, in which the GK throws the ball to a breaking midfielder, which is closest to U.S. football's passing from a QB to a streaking wide receiver. But a lacrosse ball is much smaller and dense than a football, and a defensive player marking a breaking midfielder is allowed to check the midfielder's stick while the ball is in the air, which would be called pass interference in football. So, the kind of high, arching passes one sometimes sees in football are exceptionally rare in lacrosse.

In short, I wouldn't worry too much about roof height if the facility is only for lacrosse. Add soccer, and one has to raise the roof.

Again, I don't see this new facility accommodating room for many spectators, beside some standing sideline space. I'm just excited to see that it's finally progressing. It's going to be a big recruiting enhancement for coaches.

billhoward
An indoor stadium for game play needs to have a tall roof. The Dallas Cowboys stadium center screen hangs 90 feet above the field. I don't know what height is required to not affect 90% or 95% of long soccer kicks or long lacrosse clearing passes. In football, it's a do-ever in Dallas. But you could also have game-tracker cameras tell you where the ball would come down if it hadn't hid the scoreboard and in football (punt) it could be a dead ball at the point, receiving team takes over there. Not sure about soccer (a drop ball?), less about lacrosse (can't be a faceoff because that rewards the better FOGO). I'd say if a team's clearing percentage against the opponnent is 90%, the team gets the ball at midfield based on the referee's phone app that awards continued possession 90% (or whatever) fraction of the time.

Stands for fans don't need the high roof but they need to be able to see the entire field. If it's added later, the building should be designed so that wall doesn't need later reinforcement. I think room for 1,000 is adequate and, given the way sports are drawing fans to regular season lacrosse or soccer, even 500 might be okay. The seating could be 5' or 10' feet away from the field as long as there's netting protecting the fans in lacrosse.

Based on our punter this past season, we’ll be safe with 12 foot ceilings.

Swampy

billhoward
An indoor stadium for game play needs to have a tall roof. The Dallas Cowboys stadium center screen hangs 90 feet above the field. I don't know what height is required to not affect 90% or 95% of long soccer kicks or long lacrosse clearing passes. In football, it's a do-ever in Dallas. But you could also have game-tracker cameras tell you where the ball would come down if it hadn't hid the scoreboard and in football (punt) it could be a dead ball at the point, receiving team takes over there. Not sure about soccer (a drop ball?), less about lacrosse (can't be a faceoff because that rewards the better FOGO). I'd say if a team's clearing percentage against the opponnent is 90%, the team gets the ball at midfield based on the referee's phone app that awards continued possession 90% (or whatever) fraction of the time.

Stands for fans don't need the high roof but they need to be able to see the entire field. If it's added later, the building should be designed so that wall doesn't need later reinforcement. I think room for 1,000 is adequate and, given the way sports are drawing fans to regular season lacrosse or soccer, even 500 might be okay. The seating could be 5' or 10' feet away from the field as long as there's netting protecting the fans in lacrosse.

I think lacrosse balls hardly ever go higher than 20-30 ft. Lacrosse passes typically start out in someone's stick (for a 6' 5" long-stick, this might be 11-12 feet) and they fly more-or-less parallel to the ground. Teams sometimes practice fast breaks, in which the GK throws the ball to a breaking midfielder, which is closest to U.S. football's passing from a QB to a streaking wide receiver. But a lacrosse ball is much smaller and dense than a football, and a defensive player marking a breaking midfielder is allowed to check the midfielder's stick while the ball is in the air, which would be called pass interference in football. So, the kind of high, arching passes one sometimes sees in football are exceptionally rare in lacrosse.

In short, I wouldn't worry too much about roof height if the facility is only for lacrosse. Add soccer, and one has to raise the roof.

a) this is just one person's musings, I don't believe Cornell is playing the long game here (i.e. what is best for Cornell over the next 25-30 years) as much as I'd like to in my Fantasy Ivy world see Cornell have the best indoor field for the Ivies and for the the Northeast. That would be one way to overcome the lack of scholarships.

b) you would have to worry about soccer because they want to practice and perhaps play in really crappy weather.

c) A pass wouldn't be thrown 50 feet in the air but a punt might be kicked that high.

Cornell also needs a really classy outdoor field for lax, soccer, etcetera as Princeton has. Ours at the far end of Upper Alumni Field is an example of minimizing cost: bleacher seats starting low to the ground and not rising very high up, and no plantings such as Princeton has that makes the stadium seem a world unto itself. I worry that what's likely to rise out by Pine Tree Road will be cost-constrained. I.e. "cheap."

Legend has it the campus store construction ran into bedrock -- imaginine that -- closer to the slope of the earth between Day Hall and the Straight. The whole idea of the design was you wouldn't even know the building was there. Rather than dig / jackhammer / dynamite the rock, it was just built enough higher that the sightline up from the Straight all but hides Day Hall. If true, it's another example of not thinking of the effect on campus over the, say, 100-year life of the Cornell store. It being already 50 years old.

Ken711
Again, I don't see this new facility accommodating room for many spectators, beside some standing sideline space. I'm just excited to see that it's finally progressing. It's going to be a big recruiting enhancement for coaches.

"Big enhancement" isn't big enough. We want a freaking spectacular recruiting enhancement, something that gets New England's best soccer or lacrosse player from Deerfield-Hotchkiss-whatever to blow off HYP.

I think Game Farm Road needs an enhanced name. You don't want recruits thinking they'll have to chase cattle, wild turkeys and buzzards off the outdoor fields before the game.

billhoward

Legend has it the campus store construction ran into bedrock -- imaginine that -- closer to the slope of the earth between Day Hall and the Straight. The whole idea of the design was you wouldn't even know the building was there. Rather than dig / jackhammer / dynamite the rock, it was just built enough higher that the sightline up from the Straight all but hides Day Hall. If true, it's another example of not thinking of the effect on campus over the, say, 100-year life of the Cornell store. It being already 50 years old.

It’s not legend — I was around when it was built. I was puzzled at the time, how could Cornell, with all its civil engineering and geology faculty, not have anticipated bedrock? Before then, the Campus Store was in Barnes Hall, but I wondered why not just build something in College Town?
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billhoward

Ken711
Again, I don't see this new facility accommodating room for many spectators, beside some standing sideline space. I'm just excited to see that it's finally progressing. It's going to be a big recruiting enhancement for coaches.

"Big enhancement" isn't big enough. We want a freaking spectacular recruiting enhancement, something that gets New England's best soccer or lacrosse player from Deerfield-Hotchkiss-whatever to blow off HYP.

I think Game Farm Road needs an enhanced name. You don't want recruits thinking they'll have to chase cattle, wild turkeys and buzzards off the outdoor fields before the game.

OK Bill, you'll need to lower your expectations. While I agree it would be nice to have a larger indoor facility that could host games besides just for practices, it will still be a recruiting tool that the coaches currently don't have.

billhoward

Ken711
Again, I don't see this new facility accommodating room for many spectators, beside some standing sideline space. I'm just excited to see that it's finally progressing. It's going to be a big recruiting enhancement for coaches.

"Big enhancement" isn't big enough. We want a freaking spectacular recruiting enhancement, something that gets New England's best soccer or lacrosse player from Deerfield-Hotchkiss-whatever to blow off HYP.

I think Game Farm Road needs an enhanced name. You don't want recruits thinking they'll have to chase cattle, wild turkeys and buzzards off the outdoor fields before the game.

I agree with this. National Championship Boulevard it is.

George64

billhoward

Legend has it the campus store construction ran into bedrock -- imaginine that -- closer to the slope of the earth between Day Hall and the Straight. The whole idea of the design was you wouldn't even know the building was there. Rather than dig / jackhammer / dynamite the rock, it was just built enough higher that the sightline up from the Straight all but hides Day Hall. If true, it's another example of not thinking of the effect on campus over the, say, 100-year life of the Cornell store. It being already 50 years old.

It’s not legend — I was around when it was built. I was puzzled at the time, how could Cornell, with all its civil engineering and geology faculty, not have anticipated bedrock? Before then, the Campus Store was in Barnes Hall, but I wondered why not just build something in College Town?
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Here's a contemporary account from the Sun.
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The Sun provides a reasonable explanation. It wasn't that the architect/engineers/geology faculty didn't know the bedrock was there, rather NY State wasn't making enough money available to pay the cost of excavating the extra 3 feet. NYS Dormitory Funds are responsible for a huge number of new/newer Cornell buildings and the grants invariably come with conditions so Cornell may not have had the flexibility to divert funds to build the structure as originally designed. For example, when Warren Hall was renovated around the time the Dyson School was created, faculty offices had to be a certain size which apparently was standard across SUNY schools. Full professors got more square feet than associate professors, assistant professors even less and lecturers were lucky if they didn't have to share space. It didn't matter if your job responsibilities might require more space or privacy to counsel students or that a professor on the brink of retirement might not actually ever use his office. Dyson administration pushed very hard for adjustments and changes but got nowhere. Of course, now that the reno is several years old, there has been a lot of space-shifting since the SUNY office police do not patrol in perpetuity.

CU2007
I agree with this. National Championship Boulevard it is.

Nice name. But street numbers don't go past 1977.

billhoward

CU2007
I agree with this. National Championship Boulevard it is.

Nice name. But street numbers don't go past 1977.

They do after the intersection with Hope Springs Eternal Drive.

In Cornell’s 2022-2023 budget, the indoor campus recreation & sports center is listed as a pre-approved project with a FY 2022 start, & is fully funded.

CAS
In Cornell’s 2022-2023 budget, the indoor campus recreation & sports center is listed as a pre-approved project with a FY 2022 start, & is fully funded.

Do you know what its budget is? This could give us an idea of how ambitious the project is.

$25 million is the estimated total budget for the project.

CAS
$25 million is the estimated total budget for the project.

Today that would be a field with about 6 rows of bleacher seats.

CAS
In Cornell’s 2022-2023 budget, the indoor campus recreation & sports center is listed as a pre-approved project with a FY 2022 start, & is fully funded.

upprdeck
most of these type buildings have space for a few hundred and lax makes it even harder with a ball gong 100 all over the place to avoid.

Sidelines netting is common for protection.

billhoward

upprdeck
most of these type buildings have space for a few hundred and lax makes it even harder with a ball gong 100 all over the place to avoid.

Sidelines netting is common for protection.

Or we can sell genuine game-worn helmets to spectators.

I spoke to someone with knowledge on the subject and it's likely that the project will be delayed due to the increase in material costs.

Cop at Lynah
I spoke to someone with knowledge on the subject and it's likely that the project will be delayed due to the increase in material costs.

They can still proceed with the design work.

Aquatics center when?