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Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)

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Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: ugarte (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 28, 2020 04:41PM

Brown demotes men's track (indoor, outdoor and XC) to club sports among other drops.

other drops: both golf teams, both fencing, both squash; Women's skiing and women's equestrian

 
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/28/2020 06:13PM by ugarte.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 28, 2020 09:17PM

Interesting. Very interesting.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: May 29, 2020 05:10PM

also teams that had a lot of donor money come back to them.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 29, 2020 06:41PM

Trotsky
Interesting. Very interesting.
Channeling the late sixties: Wasn't that a line by Arte Johnson on Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In?
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 29, 2020 06:44PM

The perfect crime: Lori Loughlin buys Olivia Jade onto the Brown track & field team for the Class of '24, Brown folds track, nobody thinks about track admits, OJ is home free. Except in winter she freezes her ass off in Providence.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: dbilmes (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: June 06, 2020 04:57PM

I listened to part of a Reunion Weekend Zoom forum about Cornell athletics. Andy Noel said he would never do what Brown did, referring to cutting a bunch of sports. But he also said Cornell needs its athletics donors to step up to make sure it doesn't happen. He said his department has made its budget for every one of his 21 years as AD, including this one -- mainly due to the fact that they saved a lot of money this spring due to not having a lot of expenses related to seasons that were cancelled. He said they need to raise another $7 million to finance indoor athletic facility, which he emphasized will also be for club and intramural sports.
Noel also addressed briefly the protests of the past few weeks, and talked about how when he was a kid, he was on a baseball team which crossed the Mason-Dixon line (his words) to play in a tournament. Most of the kids on the team were black, and he said when they went to a diner for a meal, they sat there for 20 minutes before realizing no one was going to wait on them. He did not make any references, though, to this story in the Sun about racial injustices within the Cornell athletic community, which notes that only one of Cornell's 37 head coaches is black.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: June 07, 2020 11:18AM

maybe the number should be higher. But you also need to look at the sports we offer and the search firms we use.. If you are hiring a rowing coach you would have a hard time hiring the best candidate from a non white group just by numbers alone.


The bigger sports fball/bball it can be done and still bring in a very good candidate who wants to come here, but many of the other sports the pool is much smaller and you dont really even know from the application pool how many non whites want to come to an upstate ny school to coach those other sports.

Look at the campus as whole. whats the schools ratio white/asian/black/latino? they work pretty hard at creating chances for all to get in , so why would anyone thing they are biased in how they hire coaches?
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: mike1960 (---.wi.res.rr.com)
Date: June 07, 2020 01:11PM

upprdeck
maybe the number should be higher. But you also need to look at the sports we offer and the search firms we use.. If you are hiring a rowing coach you would have a hard time hiring the best candidate from a non white group just by numbers alone.


The bigger sports fball/bball it can be done and still bring in a very good candidate who wants to come here, but many of the other sports the pool is much smaller and you dont really even know from the application pool how many non whites want to come to an upstate ny school to coach those other sports.

Look at the campus as whole. whats the schools ratio white/asian/black/latino? they work pretty hard at creating chances for all to get in , so why would anyone thing they are biased in how they hire coaches?

Just to answer your question, the reason is that of 37 head coaches at Cornell, one is black.

Recruit, mentor, hire. This is the model for almost all head coaches, regardless of race, regardless of place. Is Cornell doing the work?
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 07, 2020 02:48PM

upprdeck
maybe the number should be higher. But you also need to look at the sports we offer and the search firms we use.. If you are hiring a rowing coach you would have a hard time hiring the best candidate from a non white group just by numbers alone.


The bigger sports fball/bball it can be done and still bring in a very good candidate who wants to come here, but many of the other sports the pool is much smaller and you dont really even know from the application pool how many non whites want to come to an upstate ny school to coach those other sports.

Look at the campus as whole. whats the schools ratio white/asian/black/latino? they work pretty hard at creating chances for all to get in , so why would anyone thing they are biased in how they hire coaches?
you have a choice when seeing a massive disparity in coaching hires: assume that everyone is trying their best and shrug your shoulders or be introspective about how things have turned out this way. using rowing - a sport for rich prep school kids that the school provides to begin with - as a counterexample is blinkered.

 
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Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: June 07, 2020 03:47PM

so if you offer a position and no blacks apply do you not hire if one of the people is a good hire? is coaching the only thing that applies here? why is it different than any other job on campus?

its hard enough to fill positions at cornell as it is.

rowing is not a prep school thing, lots of schools have rowing. its less of an inner city/southern school thing.

look at the sports cornell offers and remove bball/fball because those i think if you made it a priority you could find black coaches
but of the others just watch the sports and see how many blacks play them

lax/golf/field hockey/ice hockey/polo/crew/wrestling/equestrian/fencing/swimming very few

soccer/tennis/volleyball/track/softball/gymnastics yes many do.

you dont find many coaches who coach without some background in the sport at some level.

having been on a ton of hiring committees on campus, we dont get that many black applicants at any position let only coaches.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: mike1960 (---.cdn77.com)
Date: June 07, 2020 04:29PM

upprdeck
so if you offer a position and no blacks apply do you not hire if one of the people is a good hire? is coaching the only thing that applies here? why is it different than any other job on campus?

its hard enough to fill positions at cornell as it is.

rowing is not a prep school thing, lots of schools have rowing. its less of an inner city/southern school thing.

look at the sports cornell offers and remove bball/fball because those i think if you made it a priority you could find black coaches
but of the others just watch the sports and see how many blacks play them

lax/golf/field hockey/ice hockey/polo/crew/wrestling/equestrian/fencing/swimming very few

soccer/tennis/volleyball/track/softball/gymnastics yes many do.

you dont find many coaches who coach without some background in the sport at some level.

having been on a ton of hiring committees on campus, we dont get that many black applicants at any position let only coaches.

There's so much to say here, but in my view you're thinking of hiring wrong if you think it is all about the pool. It starts with recruiting. Now don't get me wrong. I think the new lacrosse coaches are great, and I hope they take the team to the title game again. But that position was largely determined when Milliman chose his assistant coaches. He brought them in, he mentored them, and they were ready for a head coaching job at Cornell or elsewhere when positions opened. That is happening everywhere across the country in every sport.

Recruiting coaches actually occurs much sooner than that. It also involves coaches taking players aside who may have a future in coaching and encouraging them and supporting them.

If you want diversity at your school (and sadly not all do), then you have to work for it. Identify candidates and encourage them to apply. Advertise in publications and on the internet where it's widely seen. Can't be passive and hope it happens.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2020 04:32PM by mike1960.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: Swampy (---.com)
Date: June 09, 2020 12:43PM

N.H.L. Players for Coalition to Press for Diversity in Hockey

It would help if pro leagues use their resources to bring their game to more people. In sports without pro leagues, it may be up to the colleges.

Located in NYC, Columbia lacrosse could help diversify by working with local youth leagues, schools, etc. Cornell, in upstate NY, not so much. But then again, Cornell has the advantage of having a (men's) lacrosse team.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 10, 2020 01:25PM


I'm sure these guys have the best intentions. I'm sure this is going to be the league response.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: June 10, 2020 07:36PM

Trotsky

I'm sure these guys have the best intentions. I'm sure this is going to be the league response.

That is f-ing wonderful.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 11, 2020 01:41PM

upprdeck
maybe the number should be higher. But you also need to look at the sports we offer and the search firms we use.. ... Look at the campus as whole. whats the schools ratio white/asian/black/latino? they work pretty hard at creating chances for all to get in , so why would anyone thing they are biased in how they hire coaches?
The campus is 36% white. If the coaching staff is representative of the student body, Cornell would have these coaches, including

14 White
6 Asian
4 Hispanic/Latino
3 Black

It might be better to get race/ethnicity stats for the group that is athletes. Otherwise, Cornell looks woefully underrepresented among Asian coaches.
 
Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: toddlose (76.117.252.---)
Date: June 22, 2020 02:14PM

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Re: Program cancellations (not cornell yet afaik)
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 23, 2020 02:15PM

D3 school Bowdoin College cancels Falls sports but leaves open the playing of those sports after January 1 in the Winter/Spring semester.

Due to limits on campus attendance, sports in fall semester have been canceled with "opportunity for the winter, spring, and possibly fall varsity athletes to participate and compete in some form after January 1."

There will be no elimination of programs and no furloughs or cuts of athletic administration, staff or coaches.

 

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