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Cornell lacrosse 2020

Posted by billhoward 
Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 06, 2019 03:58PM

Looking forward to 2020. We've got Jeff Teat for one last year. We return rising senior LSM Brandon Salvatorive (unanimous 1st team); junior A John Piatelli, M Jon Donville; rising sophomore Chayse Ierlan. We're supposed to to have a very good FOGO coming in. We lose All-Ivy A Clark Petterson (meaning even more defensive pressure on Teat), M Jake McCulloch, SSDM Ryan Bran, D Fleet Wallace (All-Ivy name team, too).

We've got Penn and Yale coming back loaded. Penn freshman middie Sam Hundley has something like 35G and 60 points. If we had somebody like him in the midfield, that might bring defenses out a bit more and give Teat room to maneuver. Teat's three years have been 72 points (broke Pannell's freshman record), 99 points, this year 70 points.

Be interesting to see who our non-league opponents are in 2020. We were hurt by not enough top-20 wins. Playing D1 newbie St. Bonaventure won't help; do we owe them a game at their place before we bow out? Lehigh, Albany, maybe-with-a-tailwind Hobart are possible top-20s. Syracuse is top-20. Were this year's Penn State and Towson (at Crown Classic) and Notre Dame one-and-dones?

So what are Cornell's unmet needs? More midfield? More defense? Faceoffs for sure.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020 - rules changes
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 06, 2019 04:05PM

Rules changes the NCAA needs for lacrosse:

* End faceoffs. Start of game could be a faceoff or a coin toss. Faceoffs feel as if they have less to do with the game than field goals have to do with football. If the other team gets the ball and has to go 80 yards to score, it will keep the games closer and maybe teams will put special teams efforts into the rides rather than faceoffs.
* Return overtime to 4 minutes, total goals for the the first OT at least. Do it because of the faceoff disparity (Ierlan won close to 80% of faceoffs so if Yale is in OT in the playoffs, Yale has a huge advantage) or because of randomness, first to score in OT is too random an outcome. When Cornell won its second NCAA title, in OT, it gave up a goal to Maryland then then rolled off four straight to win. The NCAA could grow a pair and tell ESPN to block out an extra 10 minutes for the possibility of OT. The only thing delayed is usually a playoff softball game.
* Think about video review at least in tournament games. In the Ivy tournament there appeared to be some embellishment, one of which led to a no-release foul against Cornell. And get tougher on embellishment / dives; when the announcers in the booth criticize the ruling it hurts respect for the game.
* Don't mess with the shot clock for now. Worked well.
* To the formula for who makes the playoffs and gets seeded, add an equalizer for the first 3? 4? games where one team has an advantage of playing game 3 when another team is playing game 1. It's one thing to be playing game 3 against a Duke or Notre Dame that's playing game 5, and another to be playing game 1 against a team playing game 3 or 4.
* (Or is this in the equation already?) Give credit for the ranking the team had when you played them. It may be you beat a #1 team that dropped to #8 because it wasn't really that good but it also might be you played them before 2 of their 4 best players got hurt.
* (Or is this taken into account already?) A team that plays more games has more chances for top 5, 10 and 20 wins. Of the top 20, teams have played as few as 12 games (TOSU) and as many as 17 (Georgetown and "Army West Point";).

The last three items really would make the who-gets-in decision more formulaic. Which is good if it helps you. It makes it harder for the old guard to allow personal biases to work their way in ("Navy's always a good team. They ought to be in.)
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2019 10:11PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020 - rules changes
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 06, 2019 05:21PM

billhoward
Rules changes the NCAA needs for lacrosse:

* End faceoffs. Start of game could be a faceoff or a coin toss. Faceoffs feel as if they have less to do with the game than field goals have to do with football. If the other team gets the ball and has to go 80 yards to score, it will keep the games closer and maybe teams will put special teams efforts into the rides rather than faceoffs.
* Return overtime to 4 minutes, total goals for the the first OT at least. Do it because of the faceoff disparity (Ierlan won close to 80% of faceoffs so if Yale is in OT in the playoffs, Yale has a huge advantage) or because of randomness, first to score in OT is too random an outcome. When Cornell won its second NCAA title, in OT, it gave up a goal to Maryland then then rolled off four straight to win. The NCAA could grow a pair and tell ESPN to block out an extra 10 minutes for the possibility of OT. The only thing delayed is usually a playoff softball game.
* Think about video review at least in tournament games. In the Ivy tournament there appeared to be some embellishment, one of which led to a no-release foul against Cornell. And get tougher on embellishment / dives; when the announcers in the booth criticize the ruling it hurts respect for the game.
* Don't mess with the shot clock for now. Worked well.

+1
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020 - rules changes
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: May 06, 2019 07:35PM

Swampy
billhoward
Rules changes the NCAA needs for lacrosse:

* End faceoffs. Start of game could be a faceoff or a coin toss. Faceoffs feel as if they have less to do with the game than field goals have to do with football. If the other team gets the ball and has to go 80 yards to score, it will keep the games closer and maybe teams will put special teams efforts into the rides rather than faceoffs.
* Return overtime to 4 minutes, total goals for the the first OT at least. Do it because of the faceoff disparity (Ierlan won close to 80% of faceoffs so if Yale is in OT in the playoffs, Yale has a huge advantage) or because of randomness, first to score in OT is too random an outcome. When Cornell won its second NCAA title, in OT, it gave up a goal to Maryland then then rolled off four straight to win. The NCAA could grow a pair and tell ESPN to block out an extra 10 minutes for the possibility of OT. The only thing delayed is usually a playoff softball game.
* Think about video review at least in tournament games. In the Ivy tournament there appeared to be some embellishment, one of which led to a no-release foul against Cornell. And get tougher on embellishment / dives; when the announcers in the booth criticize the ruling it hurts respect for the game.
* Don't mess with the shot clock for now. Worked well.

+1

+1

Get this done and I might even enjoy watching lacrosse again. They've made some major strides with the shot clock, now let's see if they can work on the rest of the game problems.

Bill did a great job of highlighting my 2 major complaints, faceoff and OT. Both of these really undermine the fun of the game. Sure hockey has sudden death, but there are usually multiple chances by each team before the winning goal. In lacrosse you win the FO and then plan for the winning goal. It's not random enough.

Enough has been said about the FO catastrophe. Is it really fun to watch a game where one team seems to always have the ball and the other is just focused on trying to stop them. Bball gave up the jump ball, lacrosse should do the same thing for FOs.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020 - rules changes
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 06, 2019 10:15PM

Basketball also cut a hole in the bottom of the peach basket to speed up the game.

(Aside: A reporter who worked with me in Springfield, Mass., when there was a Tip-Off Classic, was doing both history of basketball and what-this-game-will-be-like stories. She was not a sportswriter. The draft that thank God did not make print conflated the past and present, and had the current Tip-Off game played with peach baskets. She also interviewed honorary chair Bob Cousy, pronounced it Couseny in a phone interview, and asked him to clarify his relationship to basketball.)
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020 - rules changes
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 07, 2019 08:36AM

billhoward
Basketball also cut a hole in the bottom of the peach basket to speed up the game.

(Aside: A reporter who worked with me in Springfield, Mass., when there was a Tip-Off Classic, was doing both history of basketball and what-this-game-will-be-like stories. She was not a sportswriter. The draft that thank God did not make print conflated the past and present, and had the current Tip-Off game played with peach baskets. She also interviewed honorary chair Bob Cousy, pronounced it Couseny in a phone interview, and asked him to clarify his relationship to basketball.)

Nothing like an impartial, third-party observer.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 18, 2019 11:12AM

Inside Lacrosse has an article on players invited to tryout for the U.S. U-19 team. Here's a list of Ivy and other schools along with the number of players that have been invited:

  • Yale (10)
  • Princeton (3)
  • Brown (2)
  • Cornell (2)
  • Harvard (2)
  • Penn (1)
  • Dartmouth (0)
  • Duke (10)
  • Maryland (10)
  • North Carolina (8)
  • Virginia (8)
  • Notre Dame (7)
  • Johns Hopkins (5)
  • Penn State (5)
  • Syracuse (1)
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 18, 2019 11:18AM

Swampy
Inside Lacrosse has an article on players invited to tryout for the U.S. U-19 team. Here's a list of Ivy and other schools along with the number of players that have been invited:

  • Yale (10)
  • Princeton (3)
  • Brown (2)
  • Cornell (2)
  • Harvard (2)
  • Penn (1)
  • Dartmouth (0)
  • Duke (10)
  • Maryland (10)
  • North Carolina (8)
  • Virginia (8)
  • Notre Dame (7)
  • Johns Hopkins (5)
  • Penn State (5)
  • Syracuse (1)

Yale with 10 tells us they’re recruiting is at an insane level right now. Stunning to se SU with just one invitee
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-174-203-16.myvzw.com)
Date: May 19, 2019 12:42PM

scoop85
Swampy
Inside Lacrosse has an article on players invited to tryout for the U.S. U-19 team. Here's a list of Ivy and other schools along with the number of players that have been invited:

  • Yale (10)
  • Princeton (3)
  • Brown (2)
  • Cornell (2)
  • Harvard (2)
  • Penn (1)
  • Dartmouth (0)
  • Duke (10)
  • Maryland (10)
  • North Carolina (8)
  • Virginia (8)
  • Notre Dame (7)
  • Johns Hopkins (5)
  • Penn State (5)
  • Syracuse (1)

Yale with 10 tells us they’re recruiting is at an insane level right now. Stunning to se SU with just one invitee

Agree. Very telling.

Worth noting that this is just American players and seems like we’ve had a lot of success recruiting Canadians recently - so maybe it’s not a total indictment of our recruiting. I don’t know if we target/get more Canadians than other similar schools, but I’m sure someone on here does.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 19, 2019 03:02PM

Good point. We have some terrific Canadian kids coming the next few years
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 19, 2019 07:51PM

scoop85
Good point. We have some terrific Canadian kids coming the next few years

Must be because Yale followed Haavid and decided to give middle-class kids full tuition scholarships. Cornell tries to match, which isn’t the same as getting the original offer. Besides, Cornell can’t always match.

OTOH, when I read the Canadian press, I frequently learn that Cornell players got hockey scholarships. Most recently, I read this in Dan Lodboa’s obit. Well, if Canadian hockey players get hockey scholarships, surely Canadian lacrosse players won’t be discriminated against. So Teat, Peterson,etc. must be getting lacrosse scholarships.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 23, 2019 12:34PM

Inside Lacrosse also has a list of incoming recruits. I don't know how to do a table on this forum, so instead I've added a n-tuple to each school. Interpret the n-tuple as (total number of recruits, number of 5-star recruits, number of 4-star). Nobody seems to have 3-star or lower. Since some schools have no 5-stars but lots of 4-stars, these are in alphabetical order, with the Ivies first. The rightmost numbers are the total number of stars and average stars per recruit. E.g., Brown is (12,0,5) -- 20, 1.67. The average number of stars probably overweighs 4-star recruits because 5-star recruits are at the upper bound. Some 5-stars are likely to be superstars. The average also considers players without stars to be worth zero, which is probably incorrect.

  • Brown: (12,0,5) -- 20, 1.67
  • Cornell: (12,2,3) -- 22, 1.83
  • Dartmouth: (9,0,1) -- 4, 0.44
  • Harvard: (8,0,5) -- 20, 2.50
  • Penn: (14,0,5) -- 20, 1.43
  • Princeton: (10,2,5) -- 30, 3.00
  • Yale: (10,0,7) -- 28, 2.80
  • Duke: (10,6,4) -- 46, 4.60
  • JHU: (18,1,7) -- 33, 1.83
  • Maryland: (15,2,11) -- 54, 3.60
  • North Carolina: (12,0,7) -- 28, 2.33
  • Notre Dame: (12,1,9) -- 41, 3.42
  • Penn State: (14,1,6) -- 29, 2.07
  • Syracuse: (15,0,5) -- 20, 1.33
  • Virginia: (8,3,4) -- 31, 3.88

Note that this list is not restricted to U.S. Americans.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 05/23/2019 12:41PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 26, 2019 05:56PM

From the rosters of the Under Armour North/South Boys All-America Game:

School     Attack     Face-Off     Midfield     Defense     Goalie     Total Number of Players
Cornell       1          1            1                                          3
Princeton     1                       1            1                             3
Yale          1                       1            1                             3
Penn          1                                    1                             2
Brown                                              1                             1

Duke          1                       2            3                             5
Notre Dame    1                       2            1          1                  5
Virginia      1          1            1            2                             5
Maryland      1                       1                       1                  3
Michigan                              2            1                             3
Ohio State                            2*                      1                  3*
Denver        1          1                                                       2
Georgetown                            1            1                             2
Johns Hopkins                                                 1                  1
North Carolina           1                                                       1
Penn State    1                                                                  1
*One player will play football at Ohio State. (Apparently instead of lacrosse, but may be in addition to lacrosse.)

I know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 05/26/2019 06:03PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 27, 2019 12:10AM

Swampy
I know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.

Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job? [edit add:] Multiple reports earlier in the month said he's gone.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/27/2019 08:06PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.red-2-139-181.staticip.rima-tde.net)
Date: May 27, 2019 02:04AM

billhoward
Swampy
I know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.

Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job?
Think he's gone already.

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 27, 2019 10:33PM

billhoward
Swampy
I know we badly need to improve at FOGO, but I wish we also had a defender in the game, as do the rest of the Ivies.
We could use help at midfield, too. Imagine if we had someone like Penn freshman middie Sam Handley, unanimous Ivy rookie of the year, to keep the opponents' defenses from collapsing on Jeff Teat and the rest of the offense.

Don't see Harvard represented among HS North/South all-stars. Their push to the top tier seems stalled. 65-65 this decade under Chris Wojcik. One trip to the NCAAs, 2014, also the only year Harvard was first (tie) in the Ivy League. Since then 6-4-6-6-6, 65-65 overall. Wojcik is Harvard '96, captain of both soccer and lacrosse and winner of Harvard's Bingham Award to the top male athlete. How long will that protect his job? [edit add:] Multiple reports earlier in the month said he's gone.

It's also notable that Syracuse is MIA in the all-star game.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 31, 2019 01:39PM

Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.

Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).

Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.

Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.


[www.voy.com]
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: May 31, 2019 02:12PM

Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

“There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions.”
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 31, 2019 02:51PM

Ken711
Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.

Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).

Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.

Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.


[www.voy.com]

And I believe our own Chayse Ierlan was the #2 ranked goalie in the 2018 HS graduating class.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 01, 2019 09:31AM

jeff '84
Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
[www.insidelacrosse.com]
“There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions.”
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2019 03:02PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 01, 2019 03:07PM

Ken711
Read this on the Ivy League Sports Board.
Patrick Burkinshaw has transferred from UVA to Penn. Patrick was the number 1 rated goalie coming out of high school (if you believe rankings).
Transfers are always a double edged sword because there are others in the program that must be dealt with and I'm sure they'll all compete for the starting spot next fall and spring.
Nevertheless this is a position being vacated by an All Ivy player and 4 year starter that needs to be filled. We all saw the impact this year of transfers TD Ierlan and Kyle Gallagher who were outstanding for Yale and Penn at the X.

[www.voy.com]
Burkinshaw started two games, played in 11, had almost 200 minutes of playing time, mostly early (the season was 1200 minutes). Either the coaches saw him as close to eventual starter Alex Rode, they wanted to give him mop-up minutes, or maybe they feared he was unhappy already and they didn't want him jumping ship. Burkinshaw was a freshman, Rode a sophomore.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: June 02, 2019 08:55AM

billhoward
jeff '84
Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
[www.insidelacrosse.com]
“There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions.”
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.

CGS is a two-year college for incoming freshmen, after which they continue on in regular majors, including the most academically demanding, such as pre-med or engineering. It was started after WW II to help students attending under the G.I. Bill reacclimate to academic pursuits after being away from school for 5-10 years.

In recent years it’s been used for students with good enough H.S. records to gain admission but some weakness that suggests a need for a different approach. This largely consists of a very structured curriculum of coordinated required courses covering subjects most other schools with liberal arts requirements require. The individual courses themselves are team-taught by CGS faculty and may be designed to combine multiple subjects (e.g. a writing-intensive course covering Western history with extra emphasis on the context & impacts of scientific discoveries taken in sync with another course on scientific concepts timed to cover them when the “history” course does.)

I’m actually a fan of this approach. It’s not that different from what I had my first two years in Engineering at Cornell: a curriculum of coordinated required courses with only 1-2 electives. Obviously the subject matter is different, and the courses are interdisciplinary, but the structured approach and wholistic pedagogy is similar. My biggest criticism is that CGS has no math requirement.

I think the approach is far superior to what many schools do these days: have unstructured Gen. Ed. requirements often in a “University College.” It’s common to have incoming students choose 40 credit hours of courses from well over 10,000 hours of course offerings. Frequently these offerings are by departments competing to build their numbers by offering entertaining gut Gen-Ed courses for non-majors.

If we accept BU recruiting so many hockey players who leave early and go pro as a constraint, CGS may actually be an excellent educational option for them. At least this way they leave with a cohesive liberal arts education of one, two, or three years, rather than a patchwork of random courses that may even be less academically challenging.

Obviously this last point is difficult to judge. By channeling “weaker” students to CGS, BU clearly lowers the potential level of academic work, at least initially. But I’ve heard BU professors say that when students enter their majors in their junior year, the ones from CGS are often better prepared than than those who went into A&S straight out of high school. So there’s some evidence CGS achieves its goal of raising students’ academic capabilities.

Compare this to, say, Arizona State, which has been characterized as a “factory of credentialing” and a professor there once told me is a school that accepts anyone and graduates everyone who shows up for a significant number of class sessions. Yet its President claims — and both Democrat and Republican politicians salute — this as great democratization of higher education — a claim that could be true only if the the education itself is not a sham. The big issue, of course, is how to tell if it is.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 02, 2019 11:52AM

Swampy
If we accept BU recruiting so many hockey players who leave early and go pro as a constraint, CGS may actually be an excellent educational option for them. At least this way they leave with a cohesive liberal arts education of one, two, or three years, rather than a patchwork of random courses that may even be less academically challenging.
CGS may well work as you've described, and not a bad idea. But: There may be some with lesser educational-attainment prospects. Say, student-athletes who fall into the academic cohort "dumb as a rock." BU does recruit in Massachusetts towns such as Marblehead.

(In fairness to BU, it's a far better school than 40 years ago. On many rankings it's a top-fifty US university. Credit to John Silber, BU's hot-headed president who alienated faculty and students, yet when he left in 1996 after 26 years at BU, it was markedly better. Silber is one of America's few college presidents who managed to unite the faculty as one.)
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.14.---)
Date: June 03, 2019 03:24PM

Swampy
billhoward
jeff '84
Breaking: BU's Chris Gray Enters NCAA's Transfer Portal
[www.insidelacrosse.com]
“There is no clear indication of his intended destination. In a message to teammates obtained by IL, Gray told teammates that his choice was not based on lacrosse reasons, but motivated by his academic ambitions.”
Gray is/was in BU's College of General Studies (CGS). Also home to a goodly portion of the BU hockey team. Within other parts of BU, CGS is known as Crayons, Glue, Scissors.

.........

Compare this to, say, Arizona State, which has been characterized as a “factory of credentialing” and a professor there once told me is a school that accepts anyone and graduates everyone who shows up for a significant number of class sessions. Yet its President claims — and both Democrat and Republican politicians salute — this as great democratization of higher education — a claim that could be true only if the the education itself is not a sham. The big issue, of course, is how to tell if it is.

What we really need is to found an institution where any person can find instruction in any study. But where would we ever find that? :-D
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: CU77 (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: June 30, 2019 12:36AM

Harvard just got a significant coaching upgrade:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: July 10, 2019 01:35PM

I just heard of this.

ryan maloney injured
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: July 10, 2019 02:53PM

upprdeck
I just heard of this.

ryan maloney injured

Awful news
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: July 11, 2019 07:03AM

scoop85
upprdeck
I just heard of this.

ryan maloney injured

Awful news

That just sucks.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (104.222.153.---)
Date: July 17, 2019 11:09AM

Inside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool. For Cornell fans, the news is awful.

Inside Lacrosse
Yale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.

Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. scream
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: July 18, 2019 12:52PM

Swampy
Inside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool. For Cornell fans, the news is awful.

Inside Lacrosse
Yale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.

Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. scream

I think you're overstating this. We have a good class coming in, with 3 Under Armour All Americans for the 1st time.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: July 19, 2019 01:12PM

scoop85
Swampy
Inside Lacrosse reports on the latest trimmed roster of 32 players left in the USA U-19 pool. For Cornell fans, the news is awful.

Inside Lacrosse
Yale is the college program with the most commits on the 32- man roster, with five. Ohio State and Duke each have four players.

Other notable bits: Harvard and Princeton each have one player left in the pool, but Cornell has none; ten of the 32 players are from NY, including Penn State's Edward Boland from Victor. scream

I think you're overstating this. We have a good class coming in, with 3 Under Armour All Americans for the 1st time.

Hope you're right. Still, Yale having 5 candidates for the national team is scary.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: September 16, 2019 04:01PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
upprdeck
I just heard of this.

ryan maloney injured

Awful news

That just sucks.

[url=https://t.co/jk4HjWTYLD ?s=17]Ryan Maloney attends Lax practice.[/url]
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2019 01:33PM

Re: Cornell lacrosse spring 2020 Power 100
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2019 06:40PM

A little detail on freshman who will play spring 2020. The top 24 of the [www.insidelacrosse.com] top 100 are rated 5-star recruits. Duke gets 4, Virginia gets 3, Cornell 2, Yale 2, Denver 2, Georgetown 2, Michigan 2, Princeton 1, Penn and Penn State 1 apiece, Ohio State 1, Syracuse 0. Duke and Michigan poach one each from Cornell turf, the Hill Academy.
Connor Shellenberger | A | St. Anne’s Belfield (Va.) | Virginia
Kenny Brower         | D | Massapequa (N.Y.) | Duke
Dyson Williams       | A | Hill Academy (Ont.) | Duke
Alec Stathakis       | FO | Culver (Ind.) | Denver
Graham Bundy         | M | MICDS (Mo.) | Georgetown
BJ Burlace           | D | St. Mary’s (Md.) | Yale
Jake Caputo          | M | Middle Creek (N.C.) | Duke
James Donaldson      | D | Brother Rice (Mich.) | Georgetown
Michael Long         | A | Delbarton (N.J.) | Cornell
Sammy English        | M | Culver (Ind.) | Princeton
Angelo Petrakis      | FO | Massapequa (N.Y.) | Cornell
Grant Mitchell       | M | Calvert Hall (Md.) | Ohio State
Quentin Matsui       | D | Eden Prairie (Minn.) | Virginia
Will Frisoli         | D | St. Sebastian’s (Mass.) | Duke
Scott Bower          | D | Episcopal Dallas (Texas) | Virginia
Conor Calderone      | FO | Smithtown West (N.Y.) | Maryland
Canyon Birch         | A | Manasquan (N.J.) | Penn State
Ryan Schriber        | D | Wilton (Conn.) | Michigan
JJ Sillstrop         | A | La Costa Canyon (Calif.) | Denver
Liam Entenmann       | G | Chaminade (N.Y.) | Notre Dame
Robert Schain        | A | Bullis (Md.) | Penn
Logan McNaney        | G | Salisbury (Conn.) | Maryland
Josh Zawada          | A | Hill Academy (Ont.) | Michigan
Patrick Hackler      | M | Skaneateles (N.Y.) | Yale
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 17, 2019 08:19PM

Let's hope Petrakis lives up to the high school honors. We need a real FOGO.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 18, 2019 10:16AM

Petterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game

 
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Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: September 18, 2019 10:27AM

Al DeFlorio
Petterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.14.---)
Date: September 20, 2019 08:30PM

Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
Petterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?

It's more of an opportunity to spit in the face of cynics who, frustrated with their own lives of shattered dreams, refuse to allow others to explore and profit from their human potential.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 20, 2019 11:00PM

Roy 82
Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
Petterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?

It's more of an opportunity to spit in the face of cynics who, frustrated with their own lives of shattered dreams, refuse to allow others to explore and profit from their human potential.

Ah. The date rapist one. Got it.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: CU2007 (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: September 21, 2019 02:21PM

Roy 82
Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
Petterson drafted 5th, Tarbell 11th in NLL draft...not that I'd ever watch a game
Serious question: is it more professional volleyball where it's all just a vehicle to sell expensive sports gear and camps to rich date rapists from Westchester and Suffolk County, or is it a deeply covert jai alai where the works are fixed for gambling and money laundering except the money comes from gangly Dartmouth Wall Street coke addicts rather than strung out Cuban human traffickers?

It's more of an opportunity to spit in the face of cynics who, frustrated with their own lives of shattered dreams, refuse to allow others to explore and profit from their human potential.

Oh snap!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2020
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: October 13, 2019 09:27PM

Fallball scrimmage today against Maryland. Reports from the forum at fanlax.com:

Velvet.Fog
Beautiful day at St. Anthony’s. Full recap to come - but had overall score at Cor 15 MD 13. MD came out fast and led 6-2 after 1Q. Cornell won a strong Q2 by 7-2. Halftime: Cor 9 MD 8.

Third quarter was 4-3 Cornell. Some key starters (Teat, Irelan and Piatelli) pulled with 9 minutes left in Q3. Same on MD side. Q4 was tied at 2. All starters pulled by Q4.

Both teams pretty sharp. FOs were pretty even. Maybe slight edge to Cornell. Goalie play strong - particularly Chase Ierlan.

More to come.

RedIvy
Petrakis didn’t play today so hopefully FO’s look stronger come spring.

Slow start but team looked good against good competition.... Long and Lombardi look like they will be big part of the offense this year.

Very good day.
 

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