Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]

Ivy title game Sunday 12 noon
Yale   1  5  4  1  - 11
Penn   4  4  3  1 -  12

billhoward
1-seed Penn vs. 4-Brown 6 pm Friday
2-seed Yale vs. 3-seed Cornell ~8:30-9 pm Friday
Championship Sunday 12 noon
On Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within Baker Athletic Complex. 533 W. 218th Street (west of Broadway), New York, NY 10034. Or subway 1 Train north or south to 215th Street, then walk two blocks north and cross Broadway at W. 218th Street, or A Train north to 207th Street then walk north. Details: [ivyleague.com]

The obvious: Cornell locked down the 3-seed with a 1-goal win over Princeton, helped by winning 19 of 29 faceoffs. We go from facing a barely-okay faceoff team to the best in the country in the ILT. A team we match up horribly against. Couldn't be a worse seeding. If only we got a rematch against Penn. Yeah, Cornell played one of its best games ever to take down Yale in the ILT title game. Lightning strikes twice?

toddlose

billhoward
1-seed Penn vs. 4-Brown 6 pm Friday
2-seed Yale vs. 3-seed Cornell ~8:30-9 pm Friday
Championship Sunday 12 noon
On Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within Baker Athletic Complex. 533 W. 218th Street (west of Broadway), New York, NY 10034. Or subway 1 Train north or south to 215th Street, then walk two blocks north and cross Broadway at W. 218th Street, or A Train north to 207th Street then walk north. Details: [ivyleague.com]

The obvious: Cornell locked down the 3-seed with a 1-goal win over Princeton, helped by winning 19 of 29 faceoffs. We go from facing a barely-okay faceoff team to the best in the country in the ILT. A team we match up horribly against. Couldn't be a worse seeding. If only we got a rematch against Penn. Yeah, Cornell played one of its best games ever to take down Yale in the ILT title game. Lightning strikes twice?

Only if a certain player chose to play elsewhere........

dbilmes
Yale's faceoff specialist set a record by winning all 27 of his faceoffs against Harvard on Saturday. It doesn't bode well for us on Friday.

newstimes
Ierlan came up just short of the mark twice last season while playing for the University of Albany. He went 24-for-24 against Cornell and repeated the feat a few weeks later against Stony Brook.

dbilmes
Yale's faceoff specialist set a record by winning all 27 of his faceoffs against Harvard on Saturday. It doesn't bode well for us on Friday.

Cornell nanny state
Big Red Tailgate Information
Location for Cornell fans: North Side of the pre-game picnic area
Hours of operation: Friday, May 3: The Baker Athletics Complex will open at 11 am and close at the completion of the men's second semifinal. Sunday, May 5: The Baker Athletics Complex will open at 9 am and close one hour after the completion of the women's championship game.
List of Permitted & Prohibited Items: Pop-up tents only; Maximum of 4 cases of beer per guest. Prohibited Items: Food trucks, tent rentals, firearms, smoking, pets, glass bottles, kegs, coolers larger than 100qts, grills, fireworks, illegal substances of any kind, and drones.

upprdeck
so you can only bring in 100qt coolers but 4 cases is ok.

billhoward
Patriot League semis - Army 7, #7 (USILA) Loyola 5. They were our most quality win other than the 1-goal, uh, loss to #3 Penn. So we need to root for #9 Notre Dame in the ACC final Saturday 2 pm vs. Virginia.

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
Patriot League semis - Army 7, #7 (USILA) Loyola 5. They were our most quality win other than the 1-goal, uh, loss to #3 Penn. So we need to root for #9 Notre Dame in the ACC final Saturday 2 pm vs. Virginia.

Huh? Cornell didn't play Loyola.

BearLover
The faceoff disparity is just a joke at this point. Maybe Teat should transfer to Yale so he can touch the ball.

CU77
And Hobart over Robert Morris in the NEC final (happening now).

nshapiro
Would a Penn loss let Towson move up to #5 in RPI, and Penn move down to #6?

If so, Cornell would have a top 5 (Towson) and top 10 (ND) win, and Md only would have a top 10 win (Penn)

NCAA 2019 D1 pairings - 1st round winners in bold 
1 Penn State vs. Marist/UMBC — noon Sunday 25-10!
2 Duke vs. Richmond — 5 p.m. Sunday 12-11 closest non-OT game 
3 Virginia vs. Robert Morris —7:30 p.m. Saturday 
4 Penn vs. Army — 5 p.m. Saturday 
5 Yale vs. Georgetown —2:30 p.m. Saturday 
6 Towson vs.  Maryland — 2:30 p.m. Sunday Only overtime first round game 
7 Notre Dame vs. Johns Hopkins — 7:30 p.m. Sunday
8 Loyola vs. Syracuse - noon Saturday 
 
Saturday 5/19
3-NR  Virginia-Maryland
2-7   Duke-Notre Dame
Sunday
1-8 Penn State-Loyola
4-5 Penn-Yale

upprdeck
you cant get top 20 wins if you play all top 10 teams..

we ended up with a ton of games vs seeded teams and won 2. we didnt play 11-20 teams enough to get those wins. maryland played the JH bubble team twice and lost twice,, that alone should have put them out

upprdeck
you cant get top 20 wins if you play all top 10 teams..

we ended up with a ton of games vs seeded teams and won 2. we didnt play 11-20 teams enough to get those wins. maryland played the JH bubble team twice and lost twice,, that alone should have put them out

Patrick McEwen
Easiest Paths
Johns Hopkins — Their quadrant of the bracket doesn’t have one of the top seven teams in the country according to my adjusted efficiency numbers; the best team in that quadrant is the unseeded Blue Jays. While Duke is seeded second on the basis of a pair of RPI Top 5 wins and seven wins over RPI Top 20 teams, they haven’t exactly been a juggernaut on the field this season. ...

Notre Dame — For a team that comes in outside of the Top 10 in the adjusted efficiency numbers, getting to host a First Round game and then likely play a Quarterfinal game against Duke is about as good a bracket setup as the Irish could have imagined. ... .

Most Difficult Paths
Syracuse — No one is faced with a tougher bracket draw than the Orange.... On the road at Loyola and then a possible Quarterfinals matchup against Penn State would mean needing two wins over the teams that the adjusted efficiency numbers have as the top two teams in the country.

Loyola – ... while they were rewarded with a First Round home game, they got the toughest draw of any seeded team and then a likely Quarterfinals match with top-ranked and seeded Penn State should they win.

Penn State – The ... consensus No. 1 team ... didn’t get any favors from the Selection Committee for their Quarterfinals game. Well, that's assuming the Nittany Lions can win their first NCAA Tournament game over the winner of the Opening Round game between Marist and UMBC. Among the top four seeds, only Penn and Yale, with the chance to face each other, could end up with a tougher Quarterfinals opponent than Penn State is guaranteed to play. [www.insidelacrosse.com]

Terry Foy, Inside Lacrosse
[A}ccording to Patrick McEwen’s “What Ifs” column ... not only would High Point not have been a lock for at-large selection had they gone 15-1, beaten Virginia and Duke and lost in the SoCon championship, they likely would’ve been excluded under those conditions, as well. ... that’s evidence of a system as flawed as the one that excluded an undefeated Bucknell team from the NCAA Tournament in 1996 that prompted the institution of the automatic qualifier and bracket expansion from 12 to 16.

Two quick points...:
1. The AQ is a great thing. It has been indirectly responsible for the creation of dozens of new men’s and women’s lacrosse programs and several conferences. It has increased the competitive balance across the sport’s entire landscape. Calls to eliminate conference AQs are… absurd ... Not to mention, short-sighted. In 2020, all but eight teams will have a shot at an AQ. For at least 65 fanbases, the AQ represents, at worst, a life preserver in stormy waters.

2. The men’s Division I bracket should not and will not expand, unless and until more teams or conferences are added. When the (then) Atlantic Sun (now Southern Conference), NEC, ACC ... and Big Ten ... all arrived in quick succession, the number of AQs ballooned to 10. An NCAA bylaw, in order to maintain fairness in opportunities for at-large selection, limits the field to 50% AQs. As a result, the NCAA considered permanently expanding the men’s DI bracket to 20 teams, or instituting two play-in games. For a variety of reasons, they chose the latter (which has since been reduced to one since the ACC lost its AQ). That choice is justified based on the percentage of men’s DI teams that qualify for the tournament compared to other sports; 17 of 73 teams, or 23.2%.

Expanding the bracket and eliminating the AQ would not solve the problem that I’m addressing, and ... perhaps it wouldn’t get High Point into the Tournament. However, now is the time to consider moving the NCAA Selection criteria beyond RPI.

scoop85
Loyola scores 7 straight in the 2nd half and beats SU 15-13. I’m good with that.

Al DeFlorio

scoop85
Loyola scores 7 straight in the 2nd half and beats SU 15-13. I’m good with that.

Syracuse was laf's "first team out" at laxbytes, with Cornell comfortably in based on RPI, SOS, and quality wins. So, in a different way, 'Cuse did become "first team out."

                1	2	3	4	OT	 
Maryland	3	3	4	2	0	12
Virginia	2	3	2	5	1	13

	        1	2	3	4	OT	 
Notre Dame	1	4	3	5	0	13
Duke	        4	3	4	2	1	14

CU77

Yale takes Round 3 of Penn-Yale, 19-18 in OT. Thrilling game, back & forth, no team led by more than 2.

Yale	        1	1	3	4	 9
Virginia	2	4	5	2       13

Yale         10  2  4  5  -- 21
Penn State    2  7  4  4  -- 17

billhoward
#3 Virginia vs. #2 Duke, noon Saturday
#5 Yale vs. #1 Penn state, 2:30

Like to see a Virginia-Yale final. Virginia chasing a second major-sport (sort of) championship is less troubling than Duke in any title game. I'd rather see our people - an Ivy team - instead of the team that stole our coach. Penn State - Yale or Penn State - Penn should have been the title game. Not these pairings.

Al DeFlorio
So we head to the finals with Yale, Penn, and Penn State having a total of nine losses, six of those to each other. And a 37-3 combined record against everyone else. The three "other" losses came in Yale's first game and Penn's first two games after the usual late Ivy start.

USILA Poll 5/6        NCAA seedings
1 Penn State          1 Penn State 
2 Penn                2 Duke
3 Yale                3 Virginia
4 Virginia            4 Penn 
5 Duke                5 Yale
6 Maryland            6 Towson
7 Loyola Md           7 Notre Dame
8 Towson              8 Loyola Md 

Al DeFlorio
So we head to the finals with Yale, Penn, and Penn State having a total of nine losses, six of those to each other. And a 37-3 combined record against everyone else. The three "other" losses came in Yale's first game and Penn's first two games after the usual late Ivy start.