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Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]

Posted by billhoward 
Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 28, 2019 08:35PM

Ivy title game Sunday 12 noon
Yale   1  5  4  1  - 11
Penn   4  4  3  1 -  12
Penn wins the faceoffs stat: 15 of 26

Semifinal - Yale 15, Cornell 10. Terrible Q3 by Cornell. Cornell got close late with a four-goal run then Yale opened up one last time. TD Ierlan dominated faceoffs for Yale, no surprise. Jeff Teat got 5 of 10 Cornell goals. Cornell's outside shooting did not scare Yale so the D packed in close, especially on man-down, and pretty much neutered Cornell's man-up. It's a game Cornell coulda, maybe woulda won if the late charge happened sooner and a couple of Cornell's first-half pipe shots went in. But they didn't.

Chayse Ierlan 17 saves vs. 15 GA.
Faceoffs Yale 21 x 28 which is a couple points below TD Ierlan's season average. So, moral victory.
Shots on goal, Yale 32-22.

Sunday 12 noon title game Yale vs. Penn should be close. But Cornell could've made a title game against Penn be close, too. Penn only beat Brown 13-12. Brown's late comeback was better than ours, still not good enough.



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Pre-game Friday Cornell-Yale

1-seed Penn vs. 4-Brown 6 pm Friday
2-seed Yale vs. 3-seed Cornell ~8:30-9 pm Friday
Championship Sunday 12 noon
On Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within Baker Athletic Complex. 533 W. 218th Street (west of Broadway), New York, NY 10034. Or subway 1 Train north or south to 215th Street, then walk two blocks north and cross Broadway at W. 218th Street, or A Train north to 207th Street then walk north. Details: [ivyleague.com]

The obvious: Cornell locked down the 3-seed with a 1-goal win over Princeton, helped by winning 19 of 29 faceoffs. We go from facing a barely-okay faceoff team to the best in the country in the ILT. A team we match up horribly against. Couldn't be a worse seeding. If only we got a rematch against Penn. Yeah, Cornell played one of its best games ever to take down Yale in the ILT title game. Lightning strikes twice?
Edited 9 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2019 05:13PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 28, 2019 10:12PM

billhoward
1-seed Penn vs. 4-Brown 6 pm Friday
2-seed Yale vs. 3-seed Cornell ~8:30-9 pm Friday
Championship Sunday 12 noon
On Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within Baker Athletic Complex. 533 W. 218th Street (west of Broadway), New York, NY 10034. Or subway 1 Train north or south to 215th Street, then walk two blocks north and cross Broadway at W. 218th Street, or A Train north to 207th Street then walk north. Details: [ivyleague.com]

The obvious: Cornell locked down the 3-seed with a 1-goal win over Princeton, helped by winning 19 of 29 faceoffs. We go from facing a barely-okay faceoff team to the best in the country in the ILT. A team we match up horribly against. Couldn't be a worse seeding. If only we got a rematch against Penn. Yeah, Cornell played one of its best games ever to take down Yale in the ILT title game. Lightning strikes twice?

Only if a certain player chose to play elsewhere........
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: mike1960 (---.wi.res.rr.com)
Date: April 29, 2019 12:34AM

toddlose
billhoward
1-seed Penn vs. 4-Brown 6 pm Friday
2-seed Yale vs. 3-seed Cornell ~8:30-9 pm Friday
Championship Sunday 12 noon
On Robert K. Kraft Field at Lawrence A. Wien Stadium within Baker Athletic Complex. 533 W. 218th Street (west of Broadway), New York, NY 10034. Or subway 1 Train north or south to 215th Street, then walk two blocks north and cross Broadway at W. 218th Street, or A Train north to 207th Street then walk north. Details: [ivyleague.com]

The obvious: Cornell locked down the 3-seed with a 1-goal win over Princeton, helped by winning 19 of 29 faceoffs. We go from facing a barely-okay faceoff team to the best in the country in the ILT. A team we match up horribly against. Couldn't be a worse seeding. If only we got a rematch against Penn. Yeah, Cornell played one of its best games ever to take down Yale in the ILT title game. Lightning strikes twice?

Only if a certain player chose to play elsewhere........

The face off was a major problem last time, yes, but a perhaps equal issue is that Yale manhandled Cornell. It looks like the Yale lacrosse team lives in the weight room. Their strength was a significant advantage on dodges and on ground ball scrums.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: dbilmes (32.218.121.---)
Date: April 29, 2019 07:04PM

Yale's faceoff specialist set a record by winning all 27 of his faceoffs against Harvard on Saturday. It doesn't bode well for us on Friday.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: April 29, 2019 07:33PM

dbilmes
Yale's faceoff specialist set a record by winning all 27 of his faceoffs against Harvard on Saturday. It doesn't bode well for us on Friday.

newstimes
Ierlan came up just short of the mark twice last season while playing for the University of Albany. He went 24-for-24 against Cornell and repeated the feat a few weeks later against Stony Brook.

This year he was only 24/30. Maybe he's trending to 50/50.burnout

And our Ierlan, Chayse Ierlan Three-peats As Ivy League Rookie of the Week

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 30, 2019 09:43AM

dbilmes
Yale's faceoff specialist set a record by winning all 27 of his faceoffs against Harvard on Saturday. It doesn't bode well for us on Friday.
Bah. He should have come to Ithaca. My god we need the help.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2019 09:44AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 08:44AM

What you can bring to the pre-game tailgate, per a Cornell blast e-mail:

Cornell nanny state
Big Red Tailgate Information
Location for Cornell fans: North Side of the pre-game picnic area
Hours of operation: Friday, May 3: The Baker Athletics Complex will open at 11 am and close at the completion of the men's second semifinal. Sunday, May 5: The Baker Athletics Complex will open at 9 am and close one hour after the completion of the women's championship game.
List of Permitted & Prohibited Items: Pop-up tents only; Maximum of 4 cases of beer per guest. Prohibited Items: Food trucks, tent rentals, firearms, smoking, pets, glass bottles, kegs, coolers larger than 100qts, grills, fireworks, illegal substances of any kind, and drones.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 01:33PM

Not enough.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: May 03, 2019 02:12PM

so you can only bring in 100qt coolers but 4 cases is ok.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.sub-174-192-5.myvzw.com)
Date: May 03, 2019 04:40PM

Maybe they meant "cans."

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Jordan 04 (---.sub-174-203-8.myvzw.com)
Date: May 03, 2019 05:21PM

Anybody up there yet? Is there re entry if one wants to get something to eat between women’s and men’s game?
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 03, 2019 06:12PM

upprdeck
so you can only bring in 100qt coolers but 4 cases is ok.

Probably hoping tailgaters won't want to drink warm beer. Never stopped me, though.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 06:29PM

Army 4-2 over Loyola mid-third. Could result in a bid theft.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - other tournaments
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 08:57PM

Big 10 finals - #1 Penn State 18, #16 Hopkins 17, OT. 2G by Hopkins freshman Joey Epstein with :34 and :23 to play tie it up.

Patriot League semis Friday - Army 7, #7 (USILA) Loyola 5. They were our most quality win. So we need to root for #9 Notre Dame in the ACC final Saturday 2 pm vs. Virginia.

CAA finals Saturday - Towson, the one-time #1 when we played/beat them, 18-11 over Delaware in the semis and over Drexel 16-14 in the title game.

ACC finals Saturday - Notre Dame chokes in the title against Virginia, 10-4. Ouch. ND was #12 when we beat them at their place.

Big East finals - #17 Georgetown 12, #11 Denver 9)


MAAC finals - UMBC 14, Vermont 13

NEC finals - Robbie Morris 11, Hobart 10

SOCON final - Richmond 15, #14 High Point 7
Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2019 09:28PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - other tournaments
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 09:11PM

billhoward
Patriot League semis - Army 7, #7 (USILA) Loyola 5. They were our most quality win other than the 1-goal, uh, loss to #3 Penn. So we need to root for #9 Notre Dame in the ACC final Saturday 2 pm vs. Virginia.
Huh? Cornell didn't play Loyola.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 09:49PM

The faceoff disparity is just a joke at this point. Maybe Teat should transfer to Yale so he can touch the ball.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - other tournaments
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 10:05PM

Al DeFlorio
billhoward
Patriot League semis - Army 7, #7 (USILA) Loyola 5. They were our most quality win other than the 1-goal, uh, loss to #3 Penn. So we need to root for #9 Notre Dame in the ACC final Saturday 2 pm vs. Virginia.
Huh? Cornell didn't play Loyola.
Yep, did it again, conflated Loyota and Towson. We did beat Towson, which is only #12.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 10:06PM

BearLover
The faceoff disparity is just a joke at this point. Maybe Teat should transfer to Yale so he can touch the ball.
<rimshot> Although goals 1-2-3 were Teat's, right?
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 11:20PM

Would a Towson win and a Penn Loss move Towson into top 5 RPI and Penn out?

If so, then I think Cornell would likely be picked over Maryland.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 03, 2019 11:35PM

No. But root for Towson anyway. Also Notre Dame, Lehigh, Yale, and PSU.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: semsox (---.mycingular.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 07:19AM

There's few enough games remaining that we should be able to predict final RPI's right? I'd be curious if there's any scenarios where Penn falls out of the top 5 and ND climbs into it, which I think would help our chances a lot. I have a bad feeling though. Yale is just an awful matchup with TD. I would have much rather faced Penn in the semifinal.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 01:15PM

Yes, a Penn loss and and ND win can push ND as high as #4 and Penn down to #6. Also, Cornell's SOS will be #3 in this scenario, Maryland's #16. It's hard to see Maryland taken over Cornell by the numbers, but that's why we have a committee of random humans: to add meaningless drama.

And yes, if Cornell had only managed to hang on to beat Penn, then Cornell, Yale, and Penn would have shared the regular-season Ivy title, Yale would have won the goal-differential tie breaker and have been the ILT #1 seed, Cornell #2, Penn #3.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 03:51PM

Key game for Cornell is PSU-Hopkins tonight. ND being blown out now. Need a PSU win. Lehigh over Army would help, too.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 04:56PM

And Hobart over Robert Morris in the NEC final (happening now).
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 05:57PM

CU77
And Hobart over Robert Morris in the NEC final (happening now).
Two shots to tie RMU in the last minute but off the mark.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 06:22PM

Georgetown win would appear to help for some reason.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 09:50PM

Would a Penn loss let Towson move up to #5 in RPI, and Penn move down to #6?

If so, Cornell would have a top 5 (Towson) and top 10 (ND) win, and Md only would have a top 10 win (Penn)
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 04, 2019 09:55PM

nshapiro
Would a Penn loss let Towson move up to #5 in RPI, and Penn move down to #6?

If so, Cornell would have a top 5 (Towson) and top 10 (ND) win, and Md only would have a top 10 win (Penn)

This seems promising....

[laxbytes.com]
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 05, 2019 09:32AM

nice if that site is correct, but they have SU out by so much.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 05, 2019 12:24PM

Not getting any help yet today. Yale down by 3, Lehigh by 2 early.

Yale ties at 4. Lehigh down 3 and stymied by Army D.

Yale down 2, Lehigh up 2 at half. Penn +2 on faceoffs early 2nd half.

 
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2019 01:18PM by Al DeFlorio.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 05, 2019 02:11PM

Penn wins 12-11. Army leads Lehigh 9-7 with 4 minutes left. If the committee was looking for ways to choose the other teams in the running, this should give them enough.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 05, 2019 02:21PM

A Yale win would have knocked Penn (Terps' best win) out of top five RPI and put Towson (Cornell's best) in. Not to be. Ierlan beaten 13-11 at X.

Hop has no top 10 wins. Maryland has one. Cornell has two. Likely won't matter. ACC (Cuse) and B1G vs. Ivy.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 05, 2019 10:48PM

First round May 11-12: 7 of 8 top seeds advance. #6 Towson falls to Maryland in OT 14-13. Duke just gets by Richmond 12-11.

NCAA 2019 D1 pairings - 1st round winners in bold 
1 Penn State vs. Marist/UMBC — noon Sunday 25-10!
2 Duke vs. Richmond — 5 p.m. Sunday 12-11 closest non-OT game 
3 Virginia vs. Robert Morris —7:30 p.m. Saturday 
4 Penn vs. Army — 5 p.m. Saturday 
5 Yale vs. Georgetown —2:30 p.m. Saturday 
6 Towson vs.  Maryland — 2:30 p.m. Sunday Only overtime first round game 
7 Notre Dame vs. Johns Hopkins — 7:30 p.m. Sunday
8 Loyola vs. Syracuse - noon Saturday 
 
Saturday 5/19
3-NR  Virginia-Maryland
2-7   Duke-Notre Dame
Sunday
1-8 Penn State-Loyola
4-5 Penn-Yale



[Notes from selection day]

First teams out:
Cornell, Denver, High Point. First time a Bill Tierney Denver team didn't make the tournament.

Maryland most likely the team that beat Cornell for the last spot in. Cornell had more top 10 wins, Maryland more top 20 wins. Hopkins is in with an 8-7 record. Worked out well for the South.

The seeding has Penn and Yale in a (possible) round-of-8 regional rematch in week 2. Only one Ivy can get to championship weekend. Worked out not so good for the North / Ivies.

Had Cornell gotten in instead of the Terps, it might have been re-matched against Towsend, the team Cornell beat 18-11 March 10 when Towson was #1. The low-ranked AQs wind up against the 1-2-3 teams. So ... another year, Cornell on the bubble, Cornell left out.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2019 09:54PM by billhoward.

 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: rss77 (---.sub-174-220-23.myvzw.com)
Date: May 06, 2019 09:09AM

Not surprised that CU did not make it in. Annoyed at Selection Committee for potential pairing of Yale and Penn in quarters though. Would argue that those two are playing as high a level as any team in the country.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: May 06, 2019 10:22AM

you cant get top 20 wins if you play all top 10 teams..

we ended up with a ton of games vs seeded teams and won 2. we didnt play 11-20 teams enough to get those wins. maryland played the JH bubble team twice and lost twice,, that alone should have put them out
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 06, 2019 11:18AM

upprdeck
you cant get top 20 wins if you play all top 10 teams..

we ended up with a ton of games vs seeded teams and won 2. we didnt play 11-20 teams enough to get those wins. maryland played the JH bubble team twice and lost twice,, that alone should have put them out
We wuz good to the neighbors: Agreed to play St. Bonaventure in its D1 coming-out yet. No NCAA credit for that. We have Binghamton off the NYS / nearby PA list hopefully off until they get better. We need to look at picking up Army*.

* "Army West Point" it now is, and be thankful it's not The Army West Point ... which which would be a good acronym.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 06, 2019 12:20PM

upprdeck
you cant get top 20 wins if you play all top 10 teams..

we ended up with a ton of games vs seeded teams and won 2. we didnt play 11-20 teams enough to get those wins. maryland played the JH bubble team twice and lost twice,, that alone should have put them out
The problem is there are so many criteria in the selection process that you can pick the team(s) you want to have and then use whichever of the criteria justify your pick(s) while ignoring the criteria that don't. Top 10 wins won't work? Then look at top 20. Head-to-head won't work? Then how about SOS. Can justify anything you want.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 08, 2019 05:16PM

Who has the easiest path to final-four weekend? Inside Lacrosse says it's Johns (the South will rise again) Hopkins and Notre Dame. Presuming you believe #2 Duke is overrated.

Patrick McEwen
Easiest Paths
Johns Hopkins — Their quadrant of the bracket doesn’t have one of the top seven teams in the country according to my adjusted efficiency numbers; the best team in that quadrant is the unseeded Blue Jays. While Duke is seeded second on the basis of a pair of RPI Top 5 wins and seven wins over RPI Top 20 teams, they haven’t exactly been a juggernaut on the field this season. ...

Notre Dame — For a team that comes in outside of the Top 10 in the adjusted efficiency numbers, getting to host a First Round game and then likely play a Quarterfinal game against Duke is about as good a bracket setup as the Irish could have imagined. ... .

Most Difficult Paths
Syracuse — No one is faced with a tougher bracket draw than the Orange.... On the road at Loyola and then a possible Quarterfinals matchup against Penn State would mean needing two wins over the teams that the adjusted efficiency numbers have as the top two teams in the country.

Loyola – ... while they were rewarded with a First Round home game, they got the toughest draw of any seeded team and then a likely Quarterfinals match with top-ranked and seeded Penn State should they win.

Penn State – The ... consensus No. 1 team ... didn’t get any favors from the Selection Committee for their Quarterfinals game. Well, that's assuming the Nittany Lions can win their first NCAA Tournament game over the winner of the Opening Round game between Marist and UMBC. Among the top four seeds, only Penn and Yale, with the chance to face each other, could end up with a tougher Quarterfinals opponent than Penn State is guaranteed to play. [www.insidelacrosse.com]

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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19 - NCAA pairings
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 08, 2019 10:35PM

wild that this thread has new entries. move it to JSID.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament 5/3 5/5/19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 10, 2019 05:11PM

More about High Point got screwed than, say, Cornell. Terry Foy says RPI isn't good enough.
It's Time to Change the NCAA Tournament Selection Criteria

Terry Foy, Inside Lacrosse
[A}ccording to Patrick McEwen’s “What Ifs” column ... not only would High Point not have been a lock for at-large selection had they gone 15-1, beaten Virginia and Duke and lost in the SoCon championship, they likely would’ve been excluded under those conditions, as well. ... that’s evidence of a system as flawed as the one that excluded an undefeated Bucknell team from the NCAA Tournament in 1996 that prompted the institution of the automatic qualifier and bracket expansion from 12 to 16.

Two quick points...:
1. The AQ is a great thing. It has been indirectly responsible for the creation of dozens of new men’s and women’s lacrosse programs and several conferences. It has increased the competitive balance across the sport’s entire landscape. Calls to eliminate conference AQs are… absurd ... Not to mention, short-sighted. In 2020, all but eight teams will have a shot at an AQ. For at least 65 fanbases, the AQ represents, at worst, a life preserver in stormy waters.

2. The men’s Division I bracket should not and will not expand, unless and until more teams or conferences are added. When the (then) Atlantic Sun (now Southern Conference), NEC, ACC ... and Big Ten ... all arrived in quick succession, the number of AQs ballooned to 10. An NCAA bylaw, in order to maintain fairness in opportunities for at-large selection, limits the field to 50% AQs. As a result, the NCAA considered permanently expanding the men’s DI bracket to 20 teams, or instituting two play-in games. For a variety of reasons, they chose the latter (which has since been reduced to one since the ACC lost its AQ). That choice is justified based on the percentage of men’s DI teams that qualify for the tournament compared to other sports; 17 of 73 teams, or 23.2%.

Expanding the bracket and eliminating the AQ would not solve the problem that I’m addressing, and ... perhaps it wouldn’t get High Point into the Tournament. However, now is the time to consider moving the NCAA Selection criteria beyond RPI.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 11, 2019 02:27PM

Loyola scores 7 straight in the 2nd half and beats SU 15-13. I’m good with that.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 11, 2019 03:49PM

scoop85
Loyola scores 7 straight in the 2nd half and beats SU 15-13. I’m good with that.
Syracuse was laf's "first team out" at laxbytes, with Cornell comfortably in based on RPI, SOS, and quality wins. So, in a different way, 'Cuse did become "first team out."

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 12, 2019 02:13PM

Al DeFlorio
scoop85
Loyola scores 7 straight in the 2nd half and beats SU 15-13. I’m good with that.
Syracuse was laf's "first team out" at laxbytes, with Cornell comfortably in based on RPI, SOS, and quality wins. So, in a different way, 'Cuse did become "first team out."
Schadenfreude

Ten years ago Syracuse had the ball at midfield with 0:03 to play in the title game and managed to tie, then win in OT. This time getting the ball at midfield with 10 seconds to play in the first round wasn't enough to even get one.

I'm at the point, Who should not win the title. Lessee, there's Duke, Hopkins, probably Maryland. The title games I'd like to see all get decided in the East Hartford bracket, Penn-Yale there next week, or Penn-Penn State in the semifinal. (PSU is still not final in round 1 but with 3:00 to play, UMBC needs to win a lot of faceoffs to make up a 25-10 deficit.)
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 12, 2019 05:27PM

Round 1 Sunday: Maryland takes down #6 Towson in OT 13-12. I liked Towson because we'd beaten them (when Towson was #1) and because they're not Maryoland. Be still my heart: Richmond is leading Duke early, 2-1 after the first quarter; if they beat Duke I'd not say anything bad about Big Tobacco for a week. I am trying to imagine a scenario where game 3 Sunday, Hopkins-Notre Dame, causes both to both lose, and cannot except where loss of life is involved.
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 12, 2019 09:48PM

Hopkins extends its perfect record (now 0-7) against top 10 RPI teams and finishes at .500.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] QF
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 18, 2019 02:27PM

Saturday 5/18/2019 quarterfinals

Virginia 13, Maryland 12, OT.
                1	2	3	4	OT	 
Maryland	3	3	4	2	0	12
Virginia	2	3	2	5	1	13
Virginia never led, got the 12th goal on a crossbar shot that did not go in and Maryland got screwed. The goal moved, the nets waved, the referee thought that was information enough to raise his arms. It's not a reviewable offense. Now we have Virginia fans thinking about two championships and making comparisons to Boston. Winner forced OT with a 5-2 fourth quarter.

Duke 14, Notre Dame 13, OT
	        1	2	3	4	OT	 
Notre Dame	1	4	3	5	0	13
Duke	        4	3	4	2	1	14
Duke wins the OT faceoff, scores with less than one tick left on first shot clock. The trouble with sudden death OT [even more so with NCAA "sudden victory"]: The team that wins the first faceoff is more likely to win. Loser got to OT with a 5-2 fourth quarter.
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 19, 2019 06:44PM

Yale takes Round 3 of Penn-Yale, 19-18 in OT. Thrilling game, back & forth, no team led by more than 2.

Jeff Tambroni's team goes down 6-3 to Loyola, then goes on an 11-1 run, wins comfortably 21-14.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 19, 2019 08:50PM

If it isn't clear now that deciding a tie game in a sport that has 36 goals scored in 60 minutes of regulation by a sudden death overtime goal is ridiculous, it never will be. (Awful sentence, I know.)

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019]
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 19, 2019 09:10PM

CU77

Yale takes Round 3 of Penn-Yale, 19-18 in OT. Thrilling game, back & forth, no team led by more than 2.

Now the Penn seniors can go to their graduation tomorrow without having to worry about the short ride down the I-76 next weekend
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 25, 2019 11:50AM

Finals: Virginia 13, Yale 9
Yale	        1	1	3	4	 9
Virginia	2	4	5	2       13
6-2 at the half, 11-5 after 3. Virginia got it done despite TD Ierland 18x24 (plus John Neuman 1x1) on faceoffs. Goaltending, winners made 13 saves, losers made 9 saves. This in third season for Lars Tiffany after taking Brown so close (final four) in 2016.

Semifinals
They Were Penn State. Which hurts Jeff Tambroni more, losing the 2009 game to Syracuse when the Orange tied Cornell with :03 left, or being the presumptive NCAA tournament favorite Saturday even when its lone RS loss was to Yale.

#3 Virginia vs. #2 Duke, noon Saturday
Virginia 13-12 in two OTs, after scoring two late goals to tie.

5 Yale vs. #1 Penn state, 2:30
Yale leads wire to wire, wins 21-17 on an early surge and FOGO TD Ierlan 28x39
Yale         10  2  4  5  -- 21
Penn State    2  7  4  4  -- 17

With Duke losing, we're spared all the Monday pre-game Battle of the Brainiacs stories.

Also: Nice story from [www.syracuse.com] on Jeff Tambroni and what led an upstate-New York boy to move on from his dream job at Cornell to Penn State. The story talks about the chance to build a team his way, his wife's connections to Penn State. It doesn't talk about the salary bump moving to Happy Valley. Penn State despite being a public university manages to mask salary reporting. FWIW, John Tillman (Hotel '91) was paid $150K when Maryland hired him and now with a national championship he's at $289K (https://www.testudotimes.com/2018/4/10/17217990/diamondback-university-salary-guide-mark-turgeon-dj-durkin-brenda-frese-matt-canada).



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Like to see a Virginia-Yale final. Virginia chasing a second major-sport (sort of) championship is less troubling than Duke in any title game. I'd rather see our people - an Ivy team - instead of the team that stole our coach. Penn State - Yale or Penn State - Penn should have been the title game. Not these pairings.
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 25, 2019 12:18PM

billhoward
#3 Virginia vs. #2 Duke, noon Saturday
#5 Yale vs. #1 Penn state, 2:30

Like to see a Virginia-Yale final. Virginia chasing a second major-sport (sort of) championship is less troubling than Duke in any title game. I'd rather see our people - an Ivy team - instead of the team that stole our coach. Penn State - Yale or Penn State - Penn should have been the title game. Not these pairings.

It came down to whom to screw: the ACC or the Ivy League. It was no contest.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: May 25, 2019 06:23PM

Credit Yale for coming up with the money to keep Shay at Yale and they are doing the same with basketball coach James Jones. Jones before the contract extension was rumored to be paid around $500,000.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (82.141.252.---)
Date: May 26, 2019 12:49AM

So we head to the finals with Yale, Penn, and Penn State having a total of nine losses, six of those to each other. And a 37-3 combined record against everyone else. The three "other" losses came in Yale's first game and Penn's first two games after the usual late Ivy start.

 
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Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 26, 2019 11:26AM

Al DeFlorio
So we head to the finals with Yale, Penn, and Penn State having a total of nine losses, six of those to each other. And a 37-3 combined record against everyone else. The three "other" losses came in Yale's first game and Penn's first two games after the usual late Ivy start.
The brackets turned out to disadvantage Penn for sure trying to make it 3x3 vs. Yale in 2019. Also Penn State (is anyone shedding a tear) for being on the same side of the bracket as the team that beat them RS. Meanwhile the other bracket gave the South a good shot at placing one team in the title game. The USILA poll seems to have a better grasp of the best North teams at season's end. The final-four round of Penn State, Penn, Yale and Virginia would have been great lacrosse.
USILA Poll 5/6        NCAA seedings
1 Penn State          1 Penn State 
2 Penn                2 Duke
3 Yale                3 Virginia
4 Virginia            4 Penn 
5 Duke                5 Yale
6 Maryland            6 Towson
7 Loyola Md           7 Notre Dame
8 Towson              8 Loyola Md 
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 27, 2019 05:32PM

Al DeFlorio
So we head to the finals with Yale, Penn, and Penn State having a total of nine losses, six of those to each other. And a 37-3 combined record against everyone else. The three "other" losses came in Yale's first game and Penn's first two games after the usual late Ivy start.
But one of those losses was the ONLY game any of these three played against the ACC: a 17-7 loss by Penn to Duke. All three now seem overrated as Virginia ran all over Yale in the final, a beat-down that was much worse than the 13-9 final score indicates.

TD won lots of faceoffs; didn't matter. I'm glad he didn't manage to cash in with a national title after turning away from Cornell.
 
Re: Ivy League lacrosse tournament [& NCAAs 2019] finals
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 27, 2019 06:10PM

Cornell and Yale both brought home the same number of trophies this year.

Penn brings home one.
 

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