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Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2019 09:57AM

The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.

2019 Cornell Football Schedule	
SaturdaY    Opponent
Sep. 21	    @ Marist
Sep. 28	    @ Yale 
Oct.  5	    Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)
Oct. 12	    @ Harvard
Oct. 19	    Colgate
Oct. 26	    Brown
Nov.  2     Princeton 
Nov.  9	    @ Penn
Nov. 16	    @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23	    Columbia

For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.dia.static.qwest.net)
Date: February 05, 2019 11:50AM

Thx for posting schedule. Might be more excitement if our coach didn’t have a 15-45 record.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2019 12:27PM

billhoward
The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.

2019 Cornell Football Schedule	
SaturdaY    Opponent
Sep. 21	    @ Marist
Sep. 28	    @ Yale 
Oct.  5	    Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)
Oct. 12	    @ Harvard
Oct. 19	    Colgate
Oct. 26	    Brown
Nov.  2     Princeton 
Nov.  9	    @ Penn
Nov. 16	    @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23	    Columbia

For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.

More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 05, 2019 12:33PM

scoop85
billhoward
The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.

2019 Cornell Football Schedule	
SaturdaY    Opponent
Sep. 21	    @ Marist
Sep. 28	    @ Yale 
Oct.  5	    Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)
Oct. 12	    @ Harvard
Oct. 19	    Colgate
Oct. 26	    Brown
Nov.  2     Princeton 
Nov.  9	    @ Penn
Nov. 16	    @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23	    Columbia

For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.

More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2019 12:34PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: February 05, 2019 01:53PM

scoop85
More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.

The only forgiving non-conference schedule these days would be not having one.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2019 02:25PM

Trotsky
scoop85
billhoward
The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.

2019 Cornell Football Schedule	
SaturdaY    Opponent
Sep. 21	    @ Marist
Sep. 28	    @ Yale 
Oct.  5	    Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)
Oct. 12	    @ Harvard
Oct. 19	    Colgate
Oct. 26	    Brown
Nov.  2     Princeton 
Nov.  9	    @ Penn
Nov. 16	    @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23	    Columbia

For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.

More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.

Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 05, 2019 04:38PM

scoop85
Trotsky
scoop85
billhoward
The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.

2019 Cornell Football Schedule	
SaturdaY    Opponent
Sep. 21	    @ Marist
Sep. 28	    @ Yale 
Oct.  5	    Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)
Oct. 12	    @ Harvard
Oct. 19	    Colgate
Oct. 26	    Brown
Nov.  2     Princeton 
Nov.  9	    @ Penn
Nov. 16	    @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23	    Columbia

For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.

More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.

Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Rik Smits thanks you for remembering.

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2019 08:06PM

scoop85
Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Marist backs onto a half mile or so of Hudson Riverfront, but unlike Stevens in Hoboken, no dorms with a river view, I believe. Yes, a rising rep, but on the campus tours 6-8 years back, the walker-talkers spend a lot of time talking about how seriously Marist treats alcohol infractions. Also it didn't sound like a school where you asked if the infirmary gives out condoms at the front desk. On the plus side, when the women's basketball team made the NCAAs (see how different Marist is), and it was on TV, Marist needed students on TV, so they chartered a plane for the day to, say, St. Louis. Twenty bucks got you the flight out and back, a ticket, and a Marist T-shirt. That got our son excited, but not as much as the concern over alcohol storm troopers.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2019 09:58PM

Cornell got a commitment from this kid who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Weder (192.72.255.---)
Date: February 05, 2019 10:02PM

ugarte
scoop85
Trotsky
scoop85
billhoward
The excitement is building. Cornell has a youthful veteran coach not much older than Sean McVay. I've marked my calendar for Homecoming.

2019 Cornell Football Schedule	
SaturdaY    Opponent
Sep. 21	    @ Marist
Sep. 28	    @ Yale 
Oct.  5	    Georgetown Hoyas (Homecoming)
Oct. 12	    @ Harvard
Oct. 19	    Colgate
Oct. 26	    Brown
Nov.  2     Princeton 
Nov.  9	    @ Penn
Nov. 16	    @ Dartmouth
Nov. 23	    Columbia

For New Jersey / metro Philadelphia residents, it's nice to see the away games versus Princeton and Penn are now in alternating years.

More forgiving non-conference schedule than we've seen the past couple of years.
Is Marist D-II? That's one of those schools where I think, "Oh right, that's a college." Like C.W. Post.

Marist is D-1, and has been for some time. Nice school in Poughkeepsie right on the Hudson with a rising academic reputation.
Rik Smits thanks you for remembering.

I saw Smits at a Marist-CU basketball game in Ithaca years ago.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 06, 2019 10:32AM

scoop85
Cornell got a commitment from this kid who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.

Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)

The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: February 06, 2019 02:35PM

Swampy
scoop85
Cornell got a commitment from this kid who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.

Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)

The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.

One of the recruiting sites had him as a 3 star, but I agree his size likely lowered his stock a bit from the ratings folks. Nonetheless he's the first player I can recall turning down a Michigan offer to come to Cornell.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 06, 2019 03:36PM

scoop85
Swampy
scoop85
Cornell got a commitment from this kid who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.

Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)

The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.

One of the recruiting sites had him as a 3 star, but I agree his size likely lowered his stock a bit from the ratings folks. Nonetheless he's the first player I can recall turning down a Michigan offer to come to Cornell.
Maybe they wanted him to switch to DB or saw himself as roster filler there.

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 06, 2019 03:49PM

scoop85
Swampy
scoop85
Cornell got a commitment from this kid who had offers from Michigan, Kentucky and Tulane among others.

Interesting. The Rivals page lists schools he's shown interest in -- a very impressive list -- and says he has "Medium" interest in all of them. But Cornell's not even on the list! (Although Dartmouth is.)

The page says he had 9 offers. Since he's listed as being interested in 14 schools, 7 of which I consider "high majors," this is quite impressive. Still, he's listed as only 2 stars (out of 5) -- probably because of his size: 5'9", 185.

One of the recruiting sites had him as a 3 star, but I agree his size likely lowered his stock a bit from the ratings folks. Nonetheless he's the first player I can recall turning down a Michigan offer to come to Cornell.

Well, A.D. White left Michigan and (eventually) went to Cornell. popcorn
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 06, 2019 05:57PM

Former New Milford star Ed Marinaro called in to Signing Day to congratulate Cornell-bound Emmett McElroy.

[www.northjersey.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 06, 2019 10:05PM

Ken711
Former New Milford star Ed Marinaro called in to Signing Day to congratulate Cornell-bound Emmett McElroy.

[www.northjersey.com]

That’s fantastic
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 07, 2019 10:25AM

Ken711
Former New Milford star Ed Marinaro called in to Signing Day to congratulate Cornell-bound Emmett McElroy.

[www.northjersey.com]

Great article. Thanks!

It sort of makes up for the Arizona Daily Star article on Stone Gettings, which seems to diss Cornell every chance it can, and for TD Ierlan choosing that shithole school in New Haven over Cornell.

Or is it "that school in the shithole called New Haven?"
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 24, 2019 08:23PM

ITHACA, N.Y. -- The Cornell football team will host defending Ivy League champion Princeton on Friday, Nov. 1 at 6 p.m. on ESPNU as part of the Ivy League's ESPN football package. The contest will be one of seven games that will appear on ESPN linear networks during the 2019 season. This is the 12th-consecutive year that the league will feature a national football television package.

IVY LEAGUE FOOTBALL ON ESPN LINEAR NETWORKS

Date Game Time Broadcast
Friday, Sept. 27 Brown at Harvard 7 p.m. ESPNews
Friday, Oct. 4 Dartmouth at Penn 7 p.m. ESPNU
Friday, Oct. 11 Lafayette at Princeton 7 p.m. ESPNU
Friday, Oct. 25 Columbia at Dartmouth 6 p.m. ESPNU
Friday, Nov. 1 Princeton at Cornell 6 p.m. ESPNU
Saturday, Nov. 9 Princeton vs. Dartmouth TBD TBD
Saturday, Nov. 23 Harvard at Yale TBD TBD
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 25, 2019 12:59AM

Bring rain gear and snow pants.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: June 25, 2019 04:01AM

billhoward
Bring rain gear and snow pants.

...to my living room to watch television?

 
___________________________
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: June 25, 2019 11:08AM

Beeeej
billhoward
Bring rain gear and snow pants.

...to my living room to watch television?
*traces a line on your palm* ... and this means your ceiling will cave in

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 23, 2019 10:17AM

Former Cornell rb Chris Walker transferred to Eastern Illinois. He battled injuries here and could have come back a 5th medical year, but decided on a change of schools.

[jg-tc.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: rss77 (---.sub-174-220-21.myvzw.com)
Date: July 23, 2019 01:08PM

His transfer might be related to financial aid. At Cornell I do not they extend financial aid beyond 4 years.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: July 23, 2019 01:12PM

Ken711
Former Cornell rb Chris Walker transferred to Eastern Illinois. He battled injuries here and could have come back a 5th medical year, but decided on a change of schools.
[jg-tc.com]

Jarad Jarman, Journal Gazette & Times-Courier
The Panthers were picked eighth in the OVC’s official preseason poll, as voted by head coaches and sports information directors. The league’s media poll, released last week, predicted the same finish.
Q: Why transfer when you could have stayed at Cornell and play for a team also (probably) picked to finish 8th?
A: The Ohio Valley Conference has nine teams.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: dag14 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: July 23, 2019 05:13PM

You need someone to confirm that a student has an academic reason to stay at Cornell beyond 8 semesters to get financial aid after 4 years.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: July 23, 2019 06:52PM

In Andy’s 20 years as AD, Cornell football has had 2 winning seasons. In the 11 years prior to Andy taking over as AD, Cornell football had 6 winning seasons. Discuss amongst yourselves
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2019 07:21PM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 23, 2019 08:46PM

CAS
In Andy’s 20 years as AD, Cornell football has had 2 winning seasons. In the 11 years prior to Andy taking over as AD, Cornell football had 6 winning seasons. Discuss amongst yourselves

To make it look feel even worse, look at these stats from the CFA letter to it's members:

Football Record Since 1999: 2 winning seasons | Overall winning percentage 35.6% | Ivy League winning percentage 34.2% | Last 10 seasons overall winning percentage 28% | Last 10 seasons Ivy League winning percentage 25.7% – RESULTS MATTER!"
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: July 24, 2019 12:25PM

So in Andy’s 20-year tenure as AD, a winning football team has turned into a perennial doormat, with uncompetitive facilities, insufficient funding, & alienated supporters who may no longer financially support the program.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: July 24, 2019 12:48PM

CAS
So in Andy’s 20-year tenure as AD, a winning football team has turned into a perennial doormat, with uncompetitive facilities, insufficient funding, & alienated supporters who may no longer financially support the program.

Pretty much. And your point? deadhorse
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.sub-174-203-18.myvzw.com)
Date: July 24, 2019 01:49PM

Is it time yet for another 6-year extension?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 24, 2019 02:15PM

CAS
Is it time yet for another 6-year extension?

Honestly, I can't see how this Cornell AD and administration can keep Archer as HC beyond this, his 7th year, unless he can lead this team to at least a .500 record (hopes of seriously challenging for an Ivy Championship are pure fantasy and have been for years). I suspect in reality, the 2019 team is headed for another losing record.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: July 28, 2019 11:15AM

EIU lists him as a graduate transfer. Assuming that's true, he couldn't have played for the Big Red this season unless he decided to postpone graduation. That's an Ivy League issue and not a Cornell FB issue (which is good because the FB program has enough issues).

Of course, the EIU website also says Walker played four years with the Bears, so who knows about its accuracy?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2019 11:17AM by mountainred.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: July 28, 2019 12:45PM

mountainred
Of course, the EIU website also says Walker played four years with the Bears, so who knows about its accuracy?

And

was a first-team All-Patriot League selection as a sophomore ranking 42nd nationally in yards per carry
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2019 05:19PM

What a surprise, Cornell is picked to finish in the bottom half of the Ivy League yet again. Lucky for Cornell Brown is picked last... ;-)

ITHACA, N.Y. -- Cornell was picked to finish seventh in the 2019 Ivy League Football Preseason Media Poll it was announced today. The Big Red will kick off the new campaign with its sights set on having a much bigger impact on the league standings when it visits Marist on Saturday, Sept. 21 at 12 p.m.

Yale was picked to win the league for the second straight year, with defending champion Princeton sitting third and receiving four first-place votes, second only to the Bulldogs' nine. Dartmouth, chosen second overall, received two first-place votes and Harvard and Columbia claimed one each. Two media members from each of the eight schools and one national media member comprised the poll.

"2019 Ivy League Football Preseason Poll (First-Place Votes)

1. Yale (9) 119
2. Dartmouth (2) 111
3. Princeton (4) 107
4. Harvard (1) 93
5. Penn 67
6. Columbia (1) 61
7. Cornell 29
8. Brown 24"

 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 08, 2019 06:39PM

Hey, we're not last.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2019 06:57PM

Trotsky
Hey, we're not last.

Is that the team motto for this season.... "Hey, we're not last!"
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: August 08, 2019 07:50PM

Brown has a new head coach & a QB transfer from Boston College. Cornell has Dave Archer (15-45) returning for his 7th year as head coach.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2019 08:43PM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 09, 2019 08:09AM

CAS
Brown has a new head coach & a QB transfer from Boston College. Cornell has Dave Archer (15-45) returning for his 7th year as head coach.
QB should have come to Cornell as part of the Steve Donahue deal and player to be named later.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 09, 2019 12:10PM

CAS
Brown has a new head coach & a QB transfer from Boston College. Cornell has Dave Archer (15-45) returning for his 7th year as head coach.

And hopefully his last season. :-D
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2019 02:05PM

Have we gotten any better?

(Record in Ivy games)

Yr W-L  PF  PA Diff
12 2-5 182 220  -42
------------------
13 2-5 174 251  -77
14 1-6 126 258 -132
15 1-6 101 219 -118
16 2-5 143 225  -82
17 3-4 134 155  -21
18 2-5 138 215  -77

Yikes. No.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2019 02:06PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: August 09, 2019 04:23PM

Cornell went 5-5 & 4-6 (9-11 overall ) in the two years prior to the Archer era. 15-45 since. Btw Brown let go of a coach after he had 3 losing seasons, despite going 115-94 overall & winning 3 Ivy titles.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2019 05:22PM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 24, 2019 01:06PM

Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 24, 2019 05:48PM

Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

Like it matters?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 24, 2019 07:47PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

Like it matters?

That's true...thud
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.62.5.28.rdns.1ue.com)
Date: August 25, 2019 08:35PM

Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

Andrew Luck?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 26, 2019 10:12AM

Swampy
Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

Andrew Luck?

He certainly wouldn't cost Cornell anything given the $24 million he's being paid by the Colts this season,
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 26, 2019 04:05PM

Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

Andrew Luck?

He certainly wouldn't cost Cornell anything given the $24 million he's being paid by the Colts this season,

Never mind as a coach...does he have any eligibility left.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.62.5.28.rdns.1ue.com)
Date: August 26, 2019 04:09PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Ken711
Swampy
Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

Andrew Luck?

He certainly wouldn't cost Cornell anything given the $24 million he's being paid by the Colts this season,

Never mind as a coach...does he have any eligibility left.

Probably not. But maybe we can make him the lifetime QB coach, or give him lifetime parking, in return for him donating a tax write-off indoor practice facility. Of course, we'd name it (Good) Luck Hall.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: August 26, 2019 04:13PM

Our former QB coach left Cornell in June for the powerhouse program Hamilton College.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 26, 2019 05:48PM

CAS
Our former QB coach left Cornell in June for the powerhouse program Hamilton College.
Shane Hurd goes from HC Union Endicott HS --> QB coach Cornell --> offensive coordinator Hamilton. That may be upward progress. Plus he's looking at lower housing costs in Clinton, NY. [athletics.hamilton.edu]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 27, 2019 09:00AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Never mind as a coach...does he have any eligibility left.
We do have a better O-line than the Colts.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 28, 2019 08:01AM

Gonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
  1. We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system.
  2. The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh.
  3. Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 28, 2019 09:04AM

4. We have very few bandwagon fans.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 28, 2019 02:00PM

billhoward
Gonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
  1. We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system. Who's record is 15–45 overall.
  2. The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh. And haven't finished above 4th since 2004.
  3. Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell. And neither will the football program receive any more funding from the Cornell Football Alumni Association.

Frankly, the only positive is this will hopefully be the last year under David Archer.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 28, 2019 04:30PM

Ken711
billhoward
Gonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
  1. We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system. Who's record is 15–45 overall.
  2. The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh. And haven't finished above 4th since 2004.
  3. Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell. And neither will the football program receive any more funding from the Cornell Football Alumni Association.

Frankly, the only positive is this will hopefully be the last year under David Archer.

Sadly, we said that last year, too.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-210-25.myvzw.com)
Date: August 28, 2019 05:27PM

Trotsky
4. We have very few bandwagon fans.

And we have a band.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 28, 2019 05:44PM

marty
Trotsky
4. We have very few bandwagon fans.

And we have a band.

Do they have a wagon?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: August 30, 2019 11:03PM

billhoward
Gonna be any football discussion in the Cornell football thread? There are a lot of positives for 2019. Here's three.
  1. We have a veteran coach familiar with the Cornell system.
  2. The prediction for Cornell this year has the Big Red all the way up to seventh.
  3. Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell.

  1. We have a system???
  2. The voting was close.
  3. You know this how, exactly? Seems to me we'd HAVE to pay these poor guys to play here.

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: September 03, 2019 08:10AM

Ken711
billhoward

Nobody has been paid under the table to play at Cornell. And neither will the football program receive any more funding from the Cornell Football Alumni Association.

Frankly, the only positive is this will hopefully be the last year under David Archer.

I don't understand why this is still a problem. The issues are NCAA rules, and that CU must follow them. If anyone has had any contact with "big time college sports", they will realize all the hoops that schools have to go through to be sure they stay in compliance.

It just is what it is. You can't have an independent group helping to support a sports team. The school is responsible for everything, even someone who acts on their own. If that group does something "illegal", the school suffers, not the group.

If the school knowingly receives help from someone who doesn't follow the rules, down can come the hammer.

Institutional control is mandatory, like it or not.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 03, 2019 09:27AM

I believe CFA’s issue is with the inadequate level of support the university provides for the football program. This is less about institutional control of a booster group & more about providing the necessary funding, facilities, & staff required for a competitive Ivy program. As the CFA states in their letter, after two decades of abysmal results, “Results matter”. The CFA is much closer to the situation than I am. And they vote no confidence in the stewardship of our football program
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2019 09:32AM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: September 03, 2019 03:53PM

CAS
I believe CFA’s issue is with the inadequate level of support the university provides for the football program. This is less about institutional control of a booster group & more about providing the necessary funding, facilities, & staff required for a competitive Ivy program. As the CFA states in their letter, after two decades of abysmal results, “Results matter”. The CFA is much closer to the situation than I am. And they vote no confidence in the stewardship of our football program

From Andy's 7/31 letter:

"Among the most important concepts in the NCAA is that of institutional control. Simply put, this concept requires that institutions implement processes and procedures to minimize the incidence and frequency of rules violations. Institutional control applies to the institution and to any external persons or groups considered “Representatives of the University’s Athletics Interests.” Institutions are responsible not only for their own activities, but also for the activities (and potential rules violations) of their external support groups, even where those groups are organized as legally independent organizations – the NCAA imputes the conduct of such organizations to the institutional member.

The CFA and its members are defined as Representatives of Cornell’s Athletics Interests, and therefore must be subject to Cornell’s monitoring and oversight to ensure demonstrable institutional control. The current leadership of this organization has refused necessary and compliant monitoring and oversight, and as a result, Cornell University has no choice but to disassociate from the current leadership of the CFA and decline support from this group.

The entire issue at hand is the CFA leadership’s refusal to comply with required but reasonable NCAA mandates regarding institutional control."

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.sub-174-203-13.myvzw.com)
Date: September 03, 2019 04:25PM

Jim, why do you think that the CFA board, which is comprised of some of Cornell football’s greatest players & generous supporters, took this action?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2019 04:30PM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: September 03, 2019 04:44PM

CAS
Jim, why do you think that the CFA board, which is comprised of some of Cornell football’s greatest players & generous supporters, took this action?

I have no idea, but I've thought that they were unhappy with the way the program is going.

The problem is that they cannot help the program from the outside. They have to be monitored by the university.

If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring, then it's the old nose/face routine.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 03, 2019 09:29PM

Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

So they have shuffled the staff around and named the Offense Coordinator also as the QB coach, even though he never played the position in college. Then they promote a staff member to TE coach who never played football in college....got it. A powerhouse football coaching staff, what could possibly go wrong. rolleyes

[cornellbigred.com]
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: September 04, 2019 11:41AM

Jim Hyla
If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring
Is that something the CFA itself announced or is it the university's characterization?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: September 04, 2019 09:34PM

Ken711
Ken711
Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. wtf

[cornellbigred.com]

So they have shuffled the staff around and named the Offense Coordinator also as the QB coach, even though he never played the position in college. Then they promote a staff member to TE coach who never played football in college....got it. A powerhouse football coaching staff, what could possibly go wrong. rolleyes

[cornellbigred.com]
The new coaching intern assigned to defense was a backup quarterback for Michigan State, getting one start in five years.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: September 05, 2019 07:28AM

Trotsky
Jim Hyla
If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring
Is that something the CFA itself announced or is it the university's characterization?

I've not seen the CFA talk about this, but to me silence, at least from what I know, is itself an answer.

If they were willing to be monitored, why wouldn't they publicize it?

I've not read all of CFA's writings. So I'd be happy to defer to someone who has better knowledge.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.dia.static.qwest.net)
Date: September 05, 2019 11:13AM

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2019 11:14AM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: September 05, 2019 12:01PM

CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: September 05, 2019 12:13PM

CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.

Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university. They have to submit to monitoring. The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.

As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line. They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year. They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations. And let's not even start on real estate.

The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash. Everything else is a means to that end for them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2019 12:14PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.dia.static.qwest.net)
Date: September 05, 2019 12:41PM

It appears to me that is what the new CFA is doing - withholding cash. They will still sponsor tailgates & host a golf outing, but won’t finance a football program that’s won but 25% of its Ivy games in the last decade
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 05, 2019 01:52PM

CAS
It appears to me that is what the new CFA is doing - withholding cash. They will still sponsor tailgates & host a golf outing, but won’t finance a football program that’s won but 25% of its Ivy games in the last decade

You are exactly right. As an aside, last year when there was voices expressing frustration with the direction of the football program, and calling for the firing to David Archer, the AD asked the CFA to publicly join him in support of the head coach after yet another losing season, including that embarrassing record setting 66-0 loss to Princeton, the CFA wouldn't provide that public support.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 05, 2019 02:26PM

Trotsky
CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.

Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university. They have to submit to monitoring. The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.

As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line. They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year. They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations. And let's not even start on real estate.

The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash. Everything else is a means to that end for them.

like every university and athletic program in the US
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: September 05, 2019 04:06PM

underskill
Trotsky
CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.

Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university. They have to submit to monitoring. The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.

As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line. They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year. They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations. And let's not even start on real estate.

The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash. Everything else is a means to that end for them.

like every university and athletic program in the US

My point precisely. The hockey team is a divine blessing descended from Heaven to Earth for our salvation. The professors* are protectors of the guttering candle of knowledge. The university can DIAF.

* Arts and Sciences, obviously.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: September 05, 2019 08:33PM

ugarte
CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.

But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: September 06, 2019 12:03AM

marty
ugarte
CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.

But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
that's MY point!

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 06, 2019 05:57AM

Isn’t it the CFA’s point that Cornell football needs an intervention. Continuing to fund the program without a plan by the administration to improve it just perpetuates the problem. Again, as the CFA states, results matter. Winning only 25% of Ivy games in the last decade calls for dramatic change.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2019 06:10AM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 06, 2019 09:48AM

CAS
Isn’t it the CFA’s point that Cornell football needs an intervention. Continuing to fund the program without a plan by the administration to improve it just perpetuates the problem. Again, as the CFA states, results matter. Winning only 25% of Ivy games in the last decade calls for dramatic change.

An intervention is exactly what happened with Columbia's football program using a football consultant outside their athletic administration after years and years of fielding a losing teams.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2019 09:48AM by Ken711.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: September 06, 2019 10:13AM

Ken711
CAS
Isn’t it the CFA’s point that Cornell football needs an intervention. Continuing to fund the program without a plan by the administration to improve it just perpetuates the problem. Again, as the CFA states, results matter. Winning only 25% of Ivy games in the last decade calls for dramatic change.

An intervention is exactly what happened with Columbia's football program using a football consultant outside their athletic administration after years and years of fielding a losing teams.

Couldn't hurt. For that matter we could use the same firm. They seem to have given good advice.

Although if the advice is anything like what Harvard basketball got it's pretty obvious: "spend money and cheat."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/06/2019 10:13AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 09, 2019 07:25AM

ugarte
marty
ugarte
CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
that's MY point!
Cornell may be killing two, make that three, birds with one stone.
* Cornell bears the burden if a supporting group does something outside the boundaries of what the NCAA allows, so it clamps down.
* Cornell doesn't like other people telling it what to do.
* Under the guise of compliance, Cornell can muzzle a group calling out the unfortunate truth of Cornell's football difficulties.
Be curious to see if there's a Cornell football supporters [image of Big Red Bear with a gag in its mouth] tent at the Marist game. You have made plans to attend?

A recurring thought: How bad must Brown be to be ranked last, sorry, eighth, in the league forecast? Did the kids who got in with half-million-dollar donations decide they really wanted to play football?
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 09, 2019 12:40PM

billhoward
ugarte
marty
ugarte
CAS
The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement. It’s apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive. Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what’s necessary to enable us to compete.
the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.
But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?
that's MY point!
Cornell may be killing two, make that three, birds with one stone.
* Cornell bears the burden if a supporting group does something outside the boundaries of what the NCAA allows, so it clamps down.
* Cornell doesn't like other people telling it what to do.
* Under the guise of compliance, Cornell can muzzle a group calling out the unfortunate truth of Cornell's football difficulties.
Be curious to see if there's a Cornell football supporters [image of Big Red Bear with a gag in its mouth] tent at the Marist game. You have made plans to attend?

A recurring thought: How bad must Brown be to be ranked last, sorry, eighth, in the league forecast? Did the kids who got in with half-million-dollar donations decide they really wanted to play football?

Brown has a new coach which explains that forecasted finish, but a brighter future I would say from a coaching standpoint.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 14, 2019 01:18PM

Homecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 14, 2019 01:32PM

Trotsky
Homecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.

...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 14, 2019 03:43PM

scoop85
Trotsky
Homecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.

...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Hope so. Final 69-0, with Catholic rushing 23 times for -8 yards.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 14, 2019 04:10PM

Trotsky
scoop85
Trotsky
Homecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.

...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Hope so. Final 69-0, with Catholic rushing 23 times for -8 yards.
Georgetown also walloped next week's Cornell opponent, Marist, 44-3.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 14, 2019 09:51PM

Al DeFlorio
Trotsky
scoop85
Trotsky
Homecoming opponent Georgetown leading their game at halftime 53-0.

...against Catholic U, a weak D3 team. Nothing to see here.
Hope so. Final 69-0, with Catholic rushing 23 times for -8 yards.
Georgetown also walloped next week's Cornell opponent, Marist, 44-3.

Cornell should easily beat Marist.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: September 15, 2019 12:38AM

From a Sun season preview.
Archer
“[We’re] really [reinventing] the way we’re doing things: We’re running a different scheme on offense, we’re on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods … attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you’re also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up.”

“I felt like my approach was ‘Hey, I’m going to recruit the best players, I’m gonna develop them, I’m gonna run really sound schemes, and we’re gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don’t think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we’re doing.”

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance. I didn’t have a good curveball … off my fastball.”
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 15, 2019 06:01AM

David Harding
From a Sun season preview.
Archer
“[We’re] really [reinventing] the way we’re doing things: We’re running a different scheme on offense, we’re on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods … attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you’re also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up.”

“I felt like my approach was ‘Hey, I’m going to recruit the best players, I’m gonna develop them, I’m gonna run really sound schemes, and we’re gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don’t think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we’re doing.”

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance. I didn’t have a good curveball … off my fastball.”
Sounds like BS, and that he doesn't have a quarterback who can run a normal offense.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: September 15, 2019 07:28AM

Al DeFlorio
David Harding
From a Sun season preview.
Archer
“[We’re] really [reinventing] the way we’re doing things: We’re running a different scheme on offense, we’re on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods … attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you’re also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up.”

“I felt like my approach was ‘Hey, I’m going to recruit the best players, I’m gonna develop them, I’m gonna run really sound schemes, and we’re gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don’t think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we’re doing.”

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance. I didn’t have a good curveball … off my fastball.”
Reads like BS, and that he doesn't have a quarterback who can run a normal offense.

Reads like gibberish to me but I'm not sure I can delineate the difference between BS and double talk. Not sure Archer can either.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: September 15, 2019 03:55PM

David Harding
From a Sun season preview.
Archer
“[We’re] really [reinventing] the way we’re doing things: We’re running a different scheme on offense, we’re on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods … attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you’re also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up.”

“I felt like my approach was ‘Hey, I’m going to recruit the best players, I’m gonna develop them, I’m gonna run really sound schemes, and we’re gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don’t think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we’re doing.”

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance. I didn’t have a good curveball … off my fastball.”

Haven't there been very successful coaches who (a) recruit great players, (b) train them very well, and (c) execute plays the other teams can't stop even though they know what's coming?

So now Archer successfully recruited the best players. He developed them to their full potential. He had them run really sound schemes. But the only reason they lost was because the other teams weren't surprised?

I thought unpredictable surprise is the essence of some "sound" schemes, like play action.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 15, 2019 06:51PM

marty
Al DeFlorio
David Harding
From a Sun season preview.
Archer
“[We’re] really [reinventing] the way we’re doing things: We’re running a different scheme on offense, we’re on a different defense. The theme is going to be like a hybrid warfare approach, right? So conventional methods mixed with unconventional methods … attacking thought processes and beliefs, while you’re also attacking the weaknesses where [opponents] line up.”

“I felt like my approach was ‘Hey, I’m going to recruit the best players, I’m gonna develop them, I’m gonna run really sound schemes, and we’re gonna beat people. And looking back on it, I don’t think I gave us a good enough of a chance, schematically. And so trying to really open up the bag of tricks, if you will, and be really creative with what we’re doing.”

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance. I didn’t have a good curveball … off my fastball.”
Reads like BS, and that he doesn't have a quarterback who can run a normal offense.

Reads like gibberish to me but I'm not sure I can delineate the difference between BS and double talk. Not sure Archer can either.

Neither can Andy, apparently.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 15, 2019 07:29PM

“I don’t think I had enough schematic answers for us late in the season. Right, we finished in 2017, 0-3, 2018 finished 0-4. I think once we put too much stuff on film, I didn’t give our team enough of a chance.

In other words, teams could easily game plan for Cornell after watching a few games on film, and Cornell never had the coaching capability to install new schemes to match later season opponents. The Cornell Sun article to me reads as Archer trying anything new this season to save his job.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 16, 2019 08:57AM

"I have the best words ... the best people." Maybe we can be more quotable than Yale-Dartmouth-Princeton.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: September 16, 2019 09:51AM

i hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 16, 2019 11:48AM

ugarte
i hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Whereas the scoreboard thread ...
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: September 16, 2019 12:27PM

ugarte
i hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Always so negative. flipd Always pointing out the glass is half empty.

Look at the bright side. We haven't lost a game either. Two weeks into the college football season, and we're still undefeated. bananacheerdrunk
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: September 16, 2019 12:31PM

Swampy

Look at the bright side. We haven't lost a game either. Two weeks into the college football season, and we're still undefeated. bananacheerdrunk
that's the spirit

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: September 16, 2019 12:31PM

billhoward
ugarte
i hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Whereas the scoreboard thread ...
Nobody's saying the team sucks on the Scoreboard thread.
 
Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: September 16, 2019 12:32PM

billhoward
ugarte
i hate this thread so much. we haven't even played a game.
Whereas the scoreboard thread ...
i feel like my restraint on the scoreboard thread has been admirable

 
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Re: Cornell Football 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 16, 2019 01:50PM

Would you be optimistic about the coming wrestling season if you had a head coach entering his 7th season with a 15-45 record (& no improvement in record from year 1 to year 6)?
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